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- Ken: Welcome to Nurtural Disasters with Ken and Lisa. This is episode five. Lisa. So we're talk really quickly about, I guess, the Beckhams that we just released in episode two. Something new came up. ⁓ We had, I insight from Gordon Ramsay, who's a family friend. Lisa: Hello and welcome to Nurtural Disasters. This is a podcast for those of us with toxic or emotionally immature parents. We might not have a bunch of credentials next to our names, but we do have PhDs from the Hard Knocks University. Basically, we want this to be a validating space for adult children of parents who had no business having children. Hey Ken. there was People magazine article, right? Where he, ⁓ they interviewed him and said, ⁓ that, ⁓ you know what? You just want me to do the British accent again, don't you? ⁓ my God, you're obsessed. ⁓ Gordon Ramsay, his British I think one is actually cockney. The Beckhams are the best. Ken: Yeah, yeah, just what British accent? I can't tell the difference. It's so natural. Lisa: There you go. Ken: And then, and then, and then they told, and then he told the reporters to get out of the kitchen. Lisa: They're their idiot sandwiches. Ken: Yeah, idiot sandwiches. at this, this is raw. Lisa: being manipulat- ⁓ Ken: Well, that's pretty much what he said. He being manipulated. You're kind of thinking not clearly. You're just thinking with, guess thinking with the honeymoon period or with lust or something like that. So pretty much everything we talked about that people in the periphery that will support the parents ⁓ this is the playbook pretty much. Lisa: Yeah. Well. Yeah, you just wonder, he says, he has firsthand account of him being, of seeing them being really great parents. Which you know what, I don't doubt, I don't doubt that that's what he saw, that was his experience. But Sometimes you don't know what happens behind closed doors. And I can tell you how many people, you never knew that they had, very abusive parents and childhoods because everything seems so nice on the outside and they seem successful put together i think it begs the question how well do you know i mean let's say you said your has friends let's say if you cut off your dad your dad's friends say, his manipulating him? Ken: Well, he's I guess he's trying to find some people to actually ⁓ follow his position. It's getting a little harder for him. I do remember when he ⁓ I was younger, would go over to his friends like houses a lot and ⁓ they always say stories their kids moving to the East Coast right after they got married and like they're moving away from their parents. And pretty much narrative ⁓ I got a even as a kid that moving away from your parents is bad. And if you have a spouse that forces you to move away makes you move away, that's bad spouse. So they already ingrained this kind of thought process in my head as a kid. I remember going there. was like, I think I was like eight or nine years old. I remember this. ⁓ so and so's kid ⁓ moved to East Coast with his wife, I guess. I might as well just. put this in as like a race issue, like they were Asian, wife of of the sons was ⁓ a white woman and among ⁓ my dad and his is always like, well, that's happens when you marry a white person. So believe me, ⁓ that's like a thing that's ⁓ deeply entrenched in like culture. I was already indoctrinated as a kid. So to have this kind of thought process work, but still in drop indoctrination whatsoever, you could break indoctrination after a while. It just takes longer. think. Um, so I already had this thought process from being raised that way. I think that's pretty common with families that are like for second generation and their parents are immigrants. That's what they're going to be pushing on you. Lisa: Hmm. Ken: I think for the Ramsey situation, he promoting a new project. I guess someone asked him, ⁓ a asked him because he's a family friend to chime in. So we have to view this with a grain of salt. what, what could he say that would not paint Beckhams in a bad light? I'm assuming he's a pretty close family friend. He doesn't want to David or Victoria. and go with the same trope that Brooklyn is a young one. He's not as seasoned, he's still young, he's immature. It's kind of like pushing that narrative, ⁓ Lisa: Right, and he can't think for himself. is influencing ⁓ negatively, believes it when he said that none of the sort happened dancing inappropriately on her son. He said that never happened. He didn't see that. Ken: That really kind of like ⁓ with what some other people said. ⁓ and thing is ⁓ when don't have kind of like a video evidence or you don't, you have a bunch of people, did everybody like a non-disclosure, like an NDA, like when they were at the wedding to not talk about this? Could be. like we said before, there's no footage. There's always like a... Like lying by omissions like maybe he was Maybe he didn't see that. Maybe he was in the bathroom. Gordon Ramsay was in the bathroom. So technically he is telling the truth. ⁓ I didn't... Yeah, I didn't see it. That was not true. Well, technically for him, it is true. Lisa: Yeah, maybe he to a ⁓ He was in the loo. Ken: Yes, he was in the loo. either that or he went back to the kitchen and said, ⁓ are, there are, are horrible cooks and they should be fired. You'll never work in this town again. ⁓ Lisa: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he was complaining. He was being a total Karen. But I heard he's not that in real life. Gordon Ken: I heard it was like the American, guess, producers wanted him to ⁓ more angry because ⁓ what we respond to, guess. Lisa: just flips the fuck out over tiniest little things. Ken: I think he's more like... you ever watch him with like a MasterChef like juniors? He's more like that. He's like, man, it's kind of disappointing. You should really work on this. I think he's more like that. Lisa: I haven't seen it, but I've heard people say that he's a lot nicer to the kids. Ken: I really think that he's actually not that mean and they want him to have a persona so they can advertise it because every time they go on commercial break, it's usually him yelling at someone. it's like consistent. I'm like, OK. Lisa: He's like flipping tables and shit, right? He's like, me. ⁓ Ken: yeah, it was just he's really angry, closing the kitchen, telling them that they should, I don't know, go to hell or something like that. like your steak was uncooked. Maybe if you go to hell, like the steak will be actually properly cooked. Lisa: whole thing, are you familiar parental alienation Okay. Well this is interesting. It's this theory where one parent Ken: I am not. Lisa: basically poisons the other parent against them. It usually happens like the guys will say, or like the fathers will say, I haven't seen my kid because ⁓ ex poisoned them against me ⁓ you know, because are susceptible. And, your dad's a horrible person. He didn't want you. He hates you, da da. And the kids grow up thinking it. ⁓ I think ⁓ it kind falls along line of parental alienation syndrome where your spouse tries to drive you away from your family. But that's what Gordon Ramsey is trying to implicate in this article. it's Nicola who's trying Brooklyn. Ken: Well, it's almost a type of scapegoating, right? It's blaming her for what Brooklyn is acting upon, right? might be but he has his own agency, right? That's just assuming that the wife is poisoning his ⁓ brain. Lisa: Right. Ken: Yeah, so it's definitely viewing him as someone that doesn't have his own agency, right? Lisa: yeah, can't think for himself. And one thing noticed the parental alienation syndrome, which, you know, I was also a victim of it with my mom. she was always talking crap about my dad, always ⁓ But, know, when kids grow up and I have other friends, too, they went through the same thing. When they grow up, you realize who the safe parent is. You know. Ken: Yeah. Lisa: So I'm always very leery of when someone says they won't talk to me because, especially a grown adult, being brainwashed. That's the word brainwashed by their parent. just very skeptical. It happens, but it's so, so rare. And there's this really good video about parental alienation syndrome that I guess the guy who created it, excuse me, psychologist, turns out he was like a pedophile or something. Dr. Anna had a thing about him, the parental alienation. It's really good if get the chance to watch it. Dr. Anna, is very knowledgeable on YouTube. I highly recommend it. You looking it up, Ken? Ken: I am not, but I am familiar with Dr. Anna. I'm just more intrigued about the guy that got caught for being a pedophile. How does that happen? Lisa: Yeah, a lot of people in the mental health community are, a lot of mental health issues themselves. So it doesn't surprise me. That's why get a lot of crazy therapists and crazy psychologists. People are like, who say, I'm going to study psychology. You're like, oh, why? Ken: Yeah, because I remember in our last episode, we were talking about how just if you have like a kind of like a passion or you have like, like a firsthand knowledge of like a situation, you should become like a therapist or a psychologist not necessarily always be a good thing, especially ⁓ if you're you're warped beyond repair, I guess. ⁓ I mean, I mean, therapists see their own therapists, right? So Lisa: Thank yeah. Ken: Just because you become a therapist doesn't mean you're an expert and you know ⁓ and you know how to fix yourself. ⁓ often than not, you're very aware of what you're going through so you know ⁓ to fix with your own therapist. but if you're screwed up ⁓ I don't even know what you could say about that. Like really. Lisa: So, frontal adenation theory was originally created by a pedophile sympathizer. Ken: ⁓ man, that's some crazy story right there. Lisa: a sympathizer, but he doesn't say that he was a pedophile. Some people are saying online. ⁓ I mean... Ken: I mean, the theory is sound, right? It's a sound theory. just, ⁓ Lisa: It's so scary. It does happen a lot, especially with narcissistic parents, because they're so vindictive. you that a lot in the court system, when you see a narcissistic parents, when they split up, they will do everything to get back at their ex, even if their children are casualties and they don't give a shit. Ken: definitely narcissists to have, they go and beyond to frame a narrative have their spouse ⁓ like pretty much have their kids taken away or taken away. And this is all like a game in their head. So it's to destroy the other spouse ⁓ credibility. And it ⁓ happens a lot. ⁓ don't think a lot of Lisa: Thank Ken: enough, like, uh, we say like enough gets put in the court system about people that act like this malicious intent. Um, some parents are like this and they, they pretty much weaponized what kind of, they're like building a case or weaponizing, and even pushing false narratives on the other parent so they could get what they want at the end. And I think a lot of the times it's not even that they want the kids is just they want to inflict pain on the other parent. Lisa: totally. The court system is not knowledgeable about narcissism. No. ⁓ Ken: Yeah, it's not equipped to kind of fight against people that have this kind of like, agenda. So it's a very kind like dangerous thing. Lisa: I don't know if you watched Judge Judy, but she has this quote that it's so good. It says, And I thought, is fucking brilliant, and she sees right through the bullshit. Ken: I think because she sees a lot of this stuff just, Lisa: she's very wise. Ken: Yeah, because she's seen as just repetition of her seeing all these things. I'm assuming even before she was in televisions, she saw this on a regular basis. She's like, I know what you're trying to pull. That's why she's like, she's so mean to us. it's like, whatever you're trying to say about your cases, I've seen this all before. Unfortunately, a lot of judges, I don't think, or even as skilled or even as sympathetic to ⁓ for stuff like that. Right. ⁓ Lisa: Mm-hmm. Right, exactly. ⁓ a of like, ⁓ I think of societal norms. They automatically grant the custody to the mom, even if mom is toxic, does happen a lot. It just shows the failure of the court system and the system's not, just not equipped to handle. ⁓ recognized narcissism not aware of it, they're not ⁓ knowledgeable. Ken: Well, yeah, if you're not personally like in a relationship with the narcissist, you tend to maybe believe what they say because why wouldn't right? Let's say you're like a social worker and you're analyzing like a family If this person is telling you and they're giving you proof ⁓ because ⁓ you're at it, it's like, well, this person sounds like they're of sound mind. They're pushing a narrative, but why should I think otherwise? Right. so that's much that the social worker could do unless they, they have some sort of like, ⁓ was it, some sort of like psychology training? Right. ⁓ I think some of them do, it's, it's very hard to differentiate because a lot of narcissists are very good liars. So, ⁓ why wouldn't you believe them? they're master manipulators. I have a situation where I do have a family member. I don't want to say who it is, but he did have a time where his spouse was that he has a strange spouse and pushing this narrative, not in the court system, but to his daughters. So over the years, the daughters just ⁓ had this kind of that their dad was like this kind of person. I think they deeply ⁓ knew ⁓ how their dad Lisa: Mm-hmm. Mmm Mm-hmm. Ken: are in regular contact with their dad. But I remember, because he me that they were text messenger and it'll be like these very passive aggressive texts. And I'm like, yeah, like very young teenagers will not be able to do that kind of vindictiveness really towards their dad like that. So it was like their mom was kind this narrative telling the daughters what to message to the dad. And it really, it was, very tough for the parent that's the target of this. I my family member ended up being in, he was a psychiatric hold because of this. So it was, the thing is. Lisa: Hmm. Ken: He was not a negligent parent. He was not like absentee dad. Like he was like a more like a helicopter like parent. He loved his daughters. They're like his pride and joy of both his daughters. So when they and she knew that she doesn't have that influence over him. doesn't provoke that feeling from him anymore. So he knows she knows the next best thing is to go after the daughters to use them as pawns against him. Lisa: Mm-hmm. Ken: for a while it and it until maybe like they got older, they're in college now. I think one of them is like in their ⁓ mid twenties that it kind like they knew their position and how were manipulated by the mom. think ⁓ it takes a while. even if you were the kid, like you just like, well, start questioning things as you get older. So I wouldn't doubt that when they were teenagers, this is what they believed that their dad was. Lisa: Mm-hmm. But they came around and through the bullshit. Ken: Yeah, and it takes time and you can't fault the kid for that. If you're being brainwashed by one of the parents and you think, cause I remember my sister was like, how could they be so ignorant and dumb? They're obviously being manipulated. I was like, they're kids. you're really like your frontal lobe doesn't develop until you're in mid twenties. ⁓ I could even say like me in my early twenties, total dumb ass. I am a total dumb ass. Like if I went back in time and I saw myself, Lisa: Yum. Yep. Ken: 20 years old, just fricking stuff off the floor. Like, I'm just like, man, that guy's stupid as hell. Like, I don't know. But it's like you grow, right? I can't expect my versions of like my nieces to be totally keen on everything, especially when you're manipulated to to say that they should be able to differentiate. No, that's like a there's people there are adults that don't know that being manipulated. so you think that teenager would know. Lisa: that is a good point. mean, grown adults get manipulated who already have their prefrontal cortex fully developed and they still... Ken: Yeah, so age is not a thing that should look on to see if someone's being manipulated. ⁓ It's easier to manipulate a child, someone that's younger, because of of life experience, right? Lack of perspective. When you're young, everything kind of revolves into your little kind of like periphery, like your little bubble. ⁓ So you really know much outside of your school life and outside of your like parent, what your parents is telling you is around you. Lisa: Mm-hmm. Ken: So w w and the thing is, I remember when I was a kid, I totally, a hundred percent trust my parents for everything they say. Not I w why would I even doubt it? Why would my parents lie to me? It's not until I'm older deaths finally realize that, ⁓ yeah, they have as a parent, they want to have the best for you. least that's what most parents that are like non-malicious or even like malicious, they, they want their kids to grow up to be well adjusted adults, but Remember, your parents are human beings. They have their own agenda. you have to be very careful that your parents have not been telling you the truth throughout your entire life. And when you get older, you're like you start fact checking things. You start asking around. You start looking at even like tree documents, other other family members, relatives. ⁓ Hey, ⁓ dad said this to me when I was a kid. Is this correct? And it's like, ⁓ no, that never happened. I've been getting a lot of that lately. in my past 10 years. So that's really thrown my life into a spiral. because of that, I've been manipulated. For what means? ⁓ still trying to figure it out, but you know, So we see in this situation like the family, he's in his mid 20s. He's almost at that point where he's like starting to get like his... prefrontal cortex is being developed. He's starting to How old is he? Lisa: I think he's 27 now. Ken: Yeah, so he's at that age where he's like, I don't want to say like be conspiracy theory a lot of things, but like start being skeptical about the things that are in your life, right? You can't, you could, ⁓ I'm pretty sure still loves his parents, but he's very keen to say like, well, my parents did this to me and this that to me. And really Gordon Ramsey saying ⁓ the correct thing as family friend. Lisa: Mm-hmm. Ken: The only thing he could have said better in my opinion is like, well, they're going through like a spat. I'm pretty sure they're going to be like, they're going to resolve it. Don't worry about it. That's the, that's the best thing I think he could say. he did take the parent side. So I'm assuming he's like, you know, he's a parent himself. So, you know. Lisa: Yeah, he could have been more diplomatic and say, ⁓ it's a sad situation. Ken: yeah, so he chose a side. So he chose the narrative where ⁓ a child, know, kids would be kids, you know, they listen to their parents. You know, they're kind of dumb. Kids are dumb. He's pushing narrative, right? ⁓ Lisa: Mm-hmm. And going back to what you were saying about your member with parental the daughters now have a relationship their mother? Ken: They do, but think it's in the back of their head that this is, you see in the future, that this might be the game plan that she's trying to do. even ⁓ if they're not do it they're probably be diplomatic. Lisa: Mm-hmm. So they know how with their mom in a way, because they know about the toxicity. Ken: Yeah, the toxicity is like you learn. It's because as a kid, yeah. Cause when you grow up, you were thinking, unless your parents were like super malicious, why would your parents do this to you? Why would they lie to me? Why, why would they? But then you figure out everybody has their own agenda. like their mom was their agenda was to inflict as much pain as towards my family members. So it's. So when you see that, yeah, I think they acknowledge that once they got older, because I think first-hand knowledge of like, they saw the dad, they saw how much pain they were causing him. like, he's not in a good place. Lisa: Is he still, you said he had a psychiatric hold? Ken: Yeah, so he had a psychiatric hold because it's like, think we all, everybody that's been in therapy has that tipping point that you're like looking at. was like, ⁓ yeah, this is the point where I couldn't handle anymore. had like a panic attack or something like that. I think we all have that thing. like, ⁓ looks like I have to get help. So that's where his tipping point was. It's just that he was on a psychiatric hold because he was like, I think he was in danger of harming himself. That's how bad it took. Yeah, so. Lisa: ⁓ my god. Ken: ⁓ you know, when you, when you're a parent and you kind of all you live for are your daughter's wellbeing and you have your daughters just say like the most malicious stuff to you. affects you. So we were looking at that point of view where you're a parent and your kid just says the worst things to you. And then we see the other aspect of it. that's one point we don't see with like, oh yeah, like these influencers are like the doormat mom. It's like, oh yeah, we don't see it from the other point of view, right? What if the parent was being abused like this? I think that's what our podcast is different about. It's like, ⁓ yeah, we could see it from both sides. Lisa: Yeah. It's such a sad situation. I'm really sorry about that. Ken: Yeah. And it's, it's, happens. And it's like, ⁓ there are, does, this, this is the thing that I think it's like a common practice with like, ⁓ certain relationships, right? When you go with strange and they pretty much pit the kids as like weapons as tools ⁓ ⁓ it's a pawn Lisa: It's a pun. Yeah, you and I think about my own experiences with that. But eventually I saw through the bullshit. Ken: Yeah, because I'm thinking at a certain point your mom probably really did a number on your dad, so. Lisa: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, well, my mom's a very vindictive person. Ken: What else can we say? Yeah, it's a nice short one. I think we could let it go. We could use it for a piece for something else. Lisa: You let it go. episode five. I mean, this is the episode where pretty everybody drops off, right? All the podcasters ⁓ stop. Ken: Well, no, no, no, they said, said, uh, nobody does it more than like two or three episodes and then they drop off and then the next point is 20, 20 or 21. Lisa: Oh, so 21 episodes. Ken: So like 80 % drop off right after that and then like 90 % drop off right after like 2021. So you'll be like the 1 % of the 1 % at that point. Lisa: Well, OK, once we get to 21. All right. Victory will be like the next call her daddy. I don't know. Ken: Pick three, Rick through parade. Hey, you think anybody will have this on the guest on like their show? Lisa: You know, the ultimate is Dr. Romney. So that's the aim. Ken: Yeah, how are we gonna get her on our show? She is on a lot of people's shows, but like they're all fancy and stuff. Like have nice couches and you know, it's like you son of a bitch. was like, how'd you get this much money doing this kind of like gig? Lisa: Yeah, he's got to get a good sponsorship. Well, first you need the millions of viewers. Then you get the sponsors come to you, I don't know, you just cold call like hey, her. Hey, Dr. big time fan, long time listener. ⁓ Ken: That's why we need to have like bots, like all these channels have like what, 50,000, 100,000. And I've told you, right? Like just because you have like a bunch of following on social media, it doesn't mean that people listen to your podcast. there's not actually a correlation. Like people have said that, Lisa: Good luck. and it's funny is that it's really obvious sometimes because they'll have like 5 million followers or something like that ridiculous, but then there are likes it's like 25 likes and but is there like, you know, this be C-list celebrities do this a lot and you're like, wait. Ken: Well, you could buy like so. You could buy like everything. Lisa: Yeah, I was like, yeah, this is not congruent. There's something here that's... not a mathematician, but if you have five million followers, I probably give more than like a handful of likes. It's so obvious. Ken: Well, there's people that have like 7,000 likes, it still doesn't convert to like podcasts getting like thousands of listeners each episode. That's a lot. A couple thousand each episode, that's a lot of listeners. If we hit that point, we'll probably get people like, hey, can we advertise stuff with you? Lisa: Mm-hmm. Ken: ⁓ episode one we bish about better health, so I don't think they're gonna come over. Lisa: think we burned that bridge anyway. ⁓ Ken: You burn that bridge with the better health. It like, well, it looks like we're not getting that anymore. That better health money. Man, they've been advertising on everybody. So it's like they must have a lot of money. Lisa: Yeah, what's your podcast about? Oh, we just talk shit about our parents. They're like, what? Yeah, it's called Kid. Did you just have a Dormat Kid? Do we need to it? Ken: Yeah, we're building a case against our parents, but don't worry, we'll build a good case. should just like name it that we should be like we're dormant kids We're dormant kids or at least that's what we post on like tick-tock we're dormant kids we're getting our parents like stepping on us Lisa: I'm Ken: The parents keep stepping on us and you know what? I can't believe they're stepping on us and they're fans of this like doormat mom who looks like a freaking prune. Pruney McPrunerson. ⁓ my gosh. She just says, ⁓ her kids are terrible. ⁓ my gosh. kids, ⁓ and her kids keep walking over me. I can't believe she got married when I released my book. ⁓ wait, wait, wait, wait. It was the other way around? That's not true. Lisa: Ha ha ha ha! Yeah. Ken: Can we just leave, we should just like have like we should just leave this in. Like a special episode, just like random stuff. I wish you could do that cause it would like, no people that have Patreons, they leave this stuff in for the fans. Like this is like backstage stuff. We just talk random crap. ⁓ It's like, ⁓ bad, can't be like McPrunersen and then that other lady that looks like Jamie Lee Curtis is like, ⁓ man, her, my hair is way too short. I look like Jamie Lee Curtis. Lisa: Mm-hmm. You my god. ⁓ Ken: ⁓ man, she looks like Jamie Lee Curtis. I was like, ⁓ yeah, it's like Freaky Friday, but it was like Freaky Friday gone wrong. I'm like, I'm a terrible parent, but I can't let people say no. I sit in front of a piano looking at my daughter's pictures. ⁓ what could have been? she was so sweet before. I don't know what happened. Lisa: You know. I don't know what happened. ⁓ you know, she got caught in a lie Day, man Well, she said that she had texted her daughter. I think it was on her birthday or something saying I texted her and I said happy birthday But but when she showed it on the phone like guess the camera was on the phone the date was off Like wasn't it was a different year that she said it was happening. There's a whole thing about it I didn't look too closely, but I was like what? Ken: ⁓ what kind of lie? Lisa: No. ⁓ Ken: What if you're influencer, you're staging stuff, like everything's being staged, just like, ⁓ yeah. Lisa: It's just so fake! Her acting is like... ⁓ my god. Ken: That's how we know she's not really Jamie Lee Curtis because she's a terrible actress. Lisa: Mr. Yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis is good actress. Ken: Yes, she is. just, she just, you know what? I just don't like Jamie Lee Curtis because she was mean to me that one time. Like if I ever meet her again and she was sweet to me, my outlook on her will be like, ⁓ maybe she was just having a bad day or she just like hates shopping for shoes. ⁓ Lisa: her billboard the other day. was driving and it was like the hardest thing I've ever done was beat addiction. I guess she was addicted to pills or something for a long time. Ken: ⁓ maybe she was, she was like drunk maybe and she was in there and maybe she was on pills or something like that. And you know what? She's, she's actually like, she's in the advertisements for like, she supports like Children's Hospital of LA who I donate to. I'm like, ⁓ come on. I want to donate money, but didn't you have her tell me to donate money? I was like, Lisa: She was like, yeah. Mm-hmm. did you stop eating Activia because of it? Ken: No, I ate Activia, that stuff was good. I was like, think they did it. was like, ⁓ man, for real? Grumpy lady's pushing Activia on me and then she's like telling me to watch Freaky Friday 2 and then she's telling me to donate money to Children's Hospital. I was like, ⁓ man. Lisa: I'll be right back. I'm you Great. Ken: But she was mean to me that one time. Lisa: I know, right? Ken: He was so mean to me. Lisa: Is that your British accent? It sounded British! Ken: No, that was not my British accent, but actually should start working on my British accent. We should just do the entire show in a British accent. Lisa: We yeah, next time. know the people want it. They demand it. ⁓ Ken: They demand British accent and impressions and what kind of impressions do you want to do? Like just a bunch of impressions. Lisa: Yeah, well, do a mean Victoria Beckham. ⁓ like, you're like, wow, it's killer. ⁓ girl, fish. ⁓ it's the fish. ⁓ I only eat good fish ⁓ vegetables, please. I know I'm in a Mexican but everyone has to eat. Ken: Can you do it again? Like, is it about vegetables again? Can I have some grilled fish? and vegetables. Lisa: sell its ⁓ we know Ken: in her defense, still really pretty and she doesn't look like a prune. Lisa: Yeah, mean, yeah, her body's great. I mean, there's a reason for that, but... Okay. Ken: Yeah. ⁓ yeah, her body's a temple, but it's just like, ⁓ you know, that doesn't, you know, please. we should just be lucky enough to be sued by the Beckhams. ⁓ we'll... we'll cut the episode. We'll do apology. Can we have an autograph? Lisa: do it. ⁓ If we do our apology in a accent, I think it'll be more impactful, I think. Ken: They're gonna be like that. It's like you could advertise with us as you want. And it's like, yeah. We'll pick your side, but you know, people will be like. Lisa: See you. Are you mocking me? Are you mocking my accent? no, no, it's out of respect. It's out of... It's a term of a near member. ⁓ York, but the other York. Ken: No, we're from York, New York. So it's like... No, this is actually how I think British people sound like. This is how I think British people sound like in my head. Lisa: In my head, right? Don't gaslight me, you know? Don't me. You notice how they don't pronounce the T's? Like, Harry po-ah, peanut po-ah. Ken: They talk like this. I like just like that sometimes they just say hospital. I have to go to hospital, not the hospital, hospital. Lisa: Hospital I have to go to hospital I go to uni I go to the uni is it fizzy drink for soda I like though. I think we should adopt that fizzy drink Ken: fizzy drink. Lisa: That's okay, I do like British people, I don't... I just hate their food. Ken: Man, yeah, I heard their food is terrible. That's why they love curry so much. Because it's a lack of flavor. Lisa: ⁓ yeah, we did a whole episode where we talking for 20 minutes about Indian food. Ken: Indian food, it's like, ⁓ yeah, it's great. That's why British people love Indian food, because it has flavor. Lisa: Right? They conquered the world for spices. They didn't bother to use any of them. That's the... Ken: Well, we're gonna have like a bunch of people in the frickin UK hate us. Well, the Irish are probably gonna like us because they don't like the British. It ⁓ I saw this online and apparently Irish, Irish Chinese food is, terrible. ⁓ Lisa: What? No, that's not a thing, is it? What? Ken: Yeah, they put rice and then they put like steak fries on top of it and then they put gravy. And it's supposed to be Chinese food. Lisa: Like a poutine? Poutine. With a gravy with the french fries, right? It's Chinese, Canadian, Irish. I don't know. Ken: Yeah, but how's that Chinese food? You said it was just like, was like Chinese was like, That sir is a, that's a KFC put ⁓ potatoes gravy, like, and a bunch of cheese. I'm like, okay, that's KFC. Lisa: No, that's right, but those are the potato wedges. Ken: Yeah, they put it in there. was like, they put a bunch of gravy on there. I like, that's not Chinese food. I was like, yes it is. Lisa: Great. Ken: I don't know where they got it from. someone had someone woke like a Chinese guy that lives in Ireland and woke up one day. was like, Hey, I know the Irish are gonna like this gravy. Lisa: like, I got this. ⁓ is... Ken: put some rice in it. If I put rice in it, they'll think it's Chinese. Lisa: Wait, what were we talking about? What was the topic? Ken: I don't know British people are very mad at us. That's the top. Lisa: Gordon Ramsey, so how would you think he'd rate Chinese Irish Canadian? It was Chinese poutine. Ken: I'll probably give it like a scream and a half. It's like, this is terrible. Yeah, Lisa: Scream in half. He's flipping tables right now. could probably, you could hear him like. Ken: He's flipping tables, he's telling people to go to hell. Yeah. Lisa: right off! What the fuck is this? Gravy? Ken: You know what's crazy? I saw him in one of those like ⁓ Christmas movies, those Hallmark movies, it was a lifetime He was a guest in there. with Claire Forlani, who was like a pretty big actress back in the nineties. And like she was in that movie and she played like a reporter. And then the guy was like a mean British chef. And you know, she goes back to like Great Britain and stuff like that. the guy that's trying to open a restaurant, like the mean British guy is friends with Gordon Ramsay who doesn't make any sense but he was just in there. ⁓ Lisa: so random. Ken: main guy was mean, but then the lady ends up with him. And that's every frickin' Hallmark groupie. Lisa: He changes him. Ken: He might be rough, but he has a heart of gold. Lisa: Oh yeah. That's like Beauty and the Beast or something, you know? I can change him. Ken: Yeah, he has a heart of gold. He might be mean, he might call you a frickin' cunt, but it's like... heart of gold. Lisa: Yeah. Yeah. Ken: He's only mean because he's passionate. Can we use that? Like, your parent is only mean to you because they're passionate about your well-being. They're only yelling at you because they love so much. Lisa: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Ken: By the way, my dad invited me to like a dinner, know, Chinese New Year dinner. And he's like, can you come by tomorrow? I'm like. And that's how I answered it. exactly ⁓ how that's how I answered help like I want to say no I don't get asshole but Lisa: his reaction? ⁓ And did he say? Ken: He didn't say anything. Come by if you can. And that's all he said. That's how I answer. That's why I'm gonna teach people, teach people, like, do you wanna let your friends down easily? Just go, well, ah. Lisa: Because it's not, yeah, right, it's not bad enough that you have to see him once a week. Twice. Ken: I feel bad because it's like I really should see my mom more but you know but he's there and he I'm like, I could only get burned with a cigarette so many times. I was like, feel like my skin is melting. I feel like that guy that was in that freaking Indiana Jones movie where his skin melted. Lisa: I know it takes you like a whole day just to recover from that. It's so toxic, it's like Chernobyl. Like you can feel your clothes just like burning off of you. Just like, fuck. Ken: Exactly. Do you know what my previous therapist said? Like, she's like, it's good to have a decompressing time right after you see your dad. Lisa: What? Ken: But then I told her, was like, but then I go somewhere and then I start spending money. And he was like, well, that's how you cope. Lisa: I'll take ⁓ Fuck. is wine. That's how I decompress. I told you, I'm not a drugs person, but I do like wine. I like tequila. Like, you know, because everybody has their vices. Even people are like, I don't drink. I'm like, yeah, but you ate a whole box of Sees candy. I saw that. You Ken: Yeah, I don't drink. just drink a lot of like coffee or energy drinks and I'm addicted to I don't believe in that stuff. I just do prescription medicine. ⁓ I do. Ginkgo biloba or the ⁓ L.T. T. or something like that. ⁓ Lisa: Fast food. Dirk Hogue, yeah, yeah. Ken: Yeah, the supplements. People do, yeah. Lisa: the anal leakage supplements for weight loss, basically. ⁓ Ken: ⁓ that's the one that is because like the oil like you don't absorb oil, so it just comes out your butthole. ⁓ Lisa we gotta have to leave this some of this stuff it is like or likes for something as I was like this is freaking hilarious just like Lisa: Okay, we're gonna, I'll let it just out. No. Ken: We're not even drunk, but ⁓ I am on Adderall. Lisa: Yeah. Ken: Adderall just makes me more talkative, but that's about it. Lisa: You Ken: just, Lisa starts doing a British accent and I'm just like, I'm just calling. Yeah, I'm in awe and I'm just like, I can't get over that thing with freaking Jamie Lee Curtis. So mean to me. And then pruny McPruderson, that's what I'm gonna call her now. Lisa: You're in awe. You're in awe. Don't mind me. Ken: Dormat mom pruning McPrunersen her face is like a prune so wrinkly Lisa: I'm pretty... ⁓ yeah, look up the estranged parents. That is like... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but check out some of her videos. It's so dramatic. She's like... But the way she just... I'm staring at a phone and she does this fake sad face like, ⁓ poor me. Ken: Yeah, I did. I did. Remember I said she looked like Jamie the Curtis. let me was in drama club and then she really wanted to be an actress. So this is her shot. Lisa: Yeah, this is how she, She's like, my claim to fame is gonna be an estranged mom. Ken: She's not dormant. Lisa: He Ken: Does it mean that I call her approved? Lisa: Yeah, a little. I mean, does she deserve it? Yeah. But does it mean? Yeah. Ken: that inside, it's like eating away at her. ⁓ there's like, you know, ugly on the inside. So it's spreading out in the outside and you can see it. ⁓ Lisa: yeah. ⁓ Ken: Like all the in her skin is like, I'm out. You're just too much for me. ⁓ it just disappeared into ether. ⁓ Lisa: Um, gonna sue us. Ken: So gonna sue us. Lisa: You could tell she's the type who's very retaliatory, very vindictive. It's like, I'm gonna against this little podcast because they said I look like a fucking prune. ⁓ Ken: But I thought we were in the landscape where we could just like say anything about anybody. ⁓ wait, we can't. We could, but could, but it's just gonna end up like the South Park episode. Have you seen the South Park episode? I'm gonna sue you. You're getting sued. Lisa: No, you can, but you can't. ⁓ Ugh. the Scientology! ⁓ Ken: No, no, no, it's even the Trump thing. He's like, I'm going to sue you. I'm going to sue. It's just like Trump's picture. And he has like little pencil dick. I'm like, we can't put this in there, but he had a pencil dick. He has sex with like a, devil. Satan. Lisa: Yo, right, I remember he also sweet love to JD Vans. Ken: Yeah, he has sex with JD Vance Lisa: it's really graphic too when I'm watching it was like, ⁓ my god ⁓ Ken: Pretty graphic. It's pretty graphic. I don't think people have told Trump that South Park made fun of him. I think they shielded him from that. don't think anybody on true socials posting like South Park material. Lisa: yeah. God! Relax! ⁓ Ken: I'm gonna see you. I'm gonna see you. See you. Lisa: I saw this really awesome video and it's her name's Julie Tice. She's a, guess she, I guess she has a master's in psychology, but she does it. She's really pretty. And she released this video on the dark psychology of Donald Trump. It was literally yesterday. You should check it out. How he became the way he became like his father was this crazy narcissist probably yeah, probably sociopath How Trump became the golden child it's really really good Ken: Yeah, think they actually talked about that in a documentary I ⁓ his niece that Fred used to be the golden child. Lisa: up until a certain point, right? ⁓ Ken: Yeah, because the dad didn't like the fact that was a very nice guy, so it's like he doesn't have the killer demeanor. Lisa: Mm-hmm. Right. That's what, Julie, Julie Tice. She cites the book, Mary Trump's book. Yeah, she cites the book because, and I never read the book because I figured, oh, it's kind of removed. You know, a lot of it is just, I don't know. But then I didn't realize that she was firsthand. basically her dad drank himself to death. And he became a scapegoat because he was just too nice. Like you were saying, he's not psychopathic enough to be a CEO. Ken: crazy thing. Donald was the afterthought I felt like after a certain point. Lisa: But then eventually, you know, his way of getting his dad's approval and love was by being like his dad. Ken: Jr. like a He wanted to be a pilot. I think he became a pilot. That's his ambition. Lisa: That's cool. I want to fly a plane. Yeah. Yeah. Ken: Not if you're a Fred senior, probably. You're supposed to take over the real estate business. Lisa: I mean, I don't want to get political because it's not a political podcast or anything. But this is just the fact that this is how he came up. I mean, it's no secret that Trump's a narcissist, right? I can say that. Ken: Yeah, I don't think that's a don't think that's like a per speculation at this point. Lisa: Yeah, it's really obvious. Ken: Dude posted a picture of posted a video of the Obamas as apes and still doesn't say that he did something wrong. That's wow. Lisa: Yeah. No remorse, no accountability. Yeah. Ken: And the thing is, it's like, if he said, I'm sorry, like, people would just be like, okay, because he's already like, people, people just give him so much runway. Lisa: I mean, he is charismatic, I'll give him that. Ken: He was way more charismatic before, and now he's just like... Old man yelling at Cloud. Lisa: I that in the Epstein files they talked about him like possibly having dementia ⁓ Ken: Already? Lisa: this is back in 2019, I think. Let me look it up. Ken: it in stages. ⁓ Some are saying that you could actually see dementia in the 40s and 50s. ⁓ Lisa: ⁓ you would know because of your mom's... ⁓ Ken: Well, the thing is, I will only know because like I have to do like revisionist history at that point because we caught it early, we catch it early. It's too late. Lisa: ⁓ guess what? Okay, yeah. I always just found it. This is an article on People magazine. Jeffrey Epstein claimed Donald Trump's friends were concerned about dementia after 2017 dinner email show. because did not recognize old friends. boy. ⁓ Who are you? ⁓ Ken: That's far even worse now. Lisa: ⁓ yeah, it doesn't get any better. Ken: It's much worse now, like he's literally the same lines over and over, like the same catchphrases. It's the same ones. Election was stolen. winning so much. Lisa: ⁓ yeah, yeah, Tim. Ken: It's the same thing over and over. It's like, it doesn't even, like, he could be talking about like something else and he's still bringing that up. That and, you know, like the other thing was like the wind farms. Like he hates the wind farms for some reason. They kill birds. Lisa: you you I mean it does happen, but... Ken: Why is he so concerned about killing birds? I don't know. He doesn't give a shit about birds. Lisa: He doesn't give a fuck about birds. No. Unless it's a McChicken. Ken: yeah, but then it's like, ⁓ yeah, you're killing the birds. So it's like, oil kills a lot of birds. It's like, I don't care. Lisa: ⁓ Ken: Yeah, oil spill kills a lot of birds, natural gas kills a lot of birds, was like, okay, so what's your point? They're like, ⁓ yeah, they're so ugly, the wind farms, they're the things. was like, well, so was the oil spill. Lisa: Yes. Ken: I we're good. Lisa: think we're good? Okay. A lot will get cut out, but whatever. Thank all so much listening. were very appreciative. want to say anything Ken? Ken: I don't even know. Does this end our episode? Lisa: Yeah, I think this is end of the episode, I think. Ken: ⁓ this is the end of the episode, okay. Talk to you next time. Lisa: Yes, right, Mr. Ken: Okay, bye Lisa. Lisa: Bye Ken, bye listeners. Ken: Bye.