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Inside Eagles Open Practice At The Linc, Landon Dickerson Injury · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds back, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody.
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  Speaker 1: It's Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan here for an Inside
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  the Birds. And it's been a couple of days we've
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  had since we've had our last Inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 2: A lot's happened.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles had a bunch of practices over the weekend
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  and this is a big week for the Eagles as
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  well as the joint practices with the Cleveland Browns are
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  up on the schedule.
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  Speaker 2: Those are always fun.
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  Speaker 1: Adam, you were at the Sunday night open practice and
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  I don't know what it is about these open practices
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  at night, but it's like sometimes bad things happen, right
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  and unfortunately Landon Dickerson had to get carted off the
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  field and it did not look good. It looked like
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  he had troll putting weight on it. You were there,
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  so you saw the play.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start.
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  Speaker 1: You probably saw the play on person up close and personal.
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  What happened, so it was past protection was late in practice.
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  Speaker 3: The ones went back on the field and he got
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  pushed back and his right leg went he went down
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  right leg injury. We have no I don't speculate. I
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  just don't. I don't know if it's ankle, knee, couldn't
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  tell you, there's no way to tell. So testing today obviously,
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  Brett Toath replaced him. And you know, it's interesting, we've
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  really not talked about what if. You know, we always
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  talk about what's the plant if. I really haven't talked
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  about Dickerson, who's unfortunately and his football playing career, has
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  had several knee injuries, ACLS both. But he had surgery
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  earlier this year for a knee issue. So and yet
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  he was on the injury report briefly with a knee injury.
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  He was not for this practice on Sunday night in
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  front of anywhere between my estimate would be forty to
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  forty five thousand. It was really good crowd, whether it
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  was high eighties by the way, very warm, beautiful. But yeah,
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  he uh, fortunately got hurt. We'll see what the testing
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  shows and we'll give it the in house replacements, guys
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  on the street. We've got a list together of the
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  way the league sees. These guys did some checking and
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  that's that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the Eagles knew when they drafted him
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  he had a laundry list of injuries.
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  Speaker 2: He had two knee.
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  Speaker 1: Injuries, including an ACL and he had two ankle injuries,
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  including a tightrope procedure, and that's all before he became
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  an Eagle.
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  Speaker 2: And as you just mentioned, he.
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  Speaker 1: Had a right I think a right or left knee
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  procedure right after the Super Bowl. We all saw him
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  get hurt in the NFC Championship Game then give everything
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  he had in the Super Bowl. So I guess the
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  bad news is is that you know, he's had a
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  lot of injuries, so the wear and tears there. The
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  good news is he always seems to come back. He
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  plays at a high level. He's made the last three
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  Pro Bowls. So, like you said, we won't speculate, we
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  won't know, but he's been through this before. So I
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  don't know if that's a good thing or not, but
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  it feels like, you know, mentally for him, if he
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  has to miss time, you can do it and you
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  can come back, and he's at least shown you can
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  play at a high level when he comes back from
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  these injuries. Who is the guy we were saying, though,
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  there's someone else that was had a bunch of injuries
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  and we will, oh, Nikobe Dean. We say, at some point,
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  you wonder what kind of caliber player you're gonna get
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  when he returns because of all of the wear and
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  tear so so far. Yeah, that has not been an
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  issue for Landing so far.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Dickerson, right, ACL in twenty sixteen, left ACL in
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  twenty twenty. You mentioned the ankle Hendrix. Yeah, it's and
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  he's suspened through a lot and he comes back.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: The list is not great in house, it's not good
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  at all. It's it's a matter of what's out there
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  on the street. There's there's actually better options on the
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  street than they're in the house.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, who's on the street. Let's
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  go through someone on.
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  Speaker 3: The street and then we'll go into the in house too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Normally I would go in house first. But that was
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  an interesting comment you meant me, yeah, because all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, so four guards sign of the last week. I
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  was looking into it. It was like, all right, let
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  me let me see my let me look at my
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  file out see who's signed. I'm like, wow, what's what's
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  going on?
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  Speaker 2: A while?
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  Speaker 3: These Guard signing so the best by far, but there's
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  a caveat Brandon Sheriff terrific player. At one point in
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  his career at thirty three years old near the end.
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  He's been a right guard. So that's the issue there.
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  I'm sure he can play it, but it's you ask
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  him to do something he probably hasn't done. I know
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  he's been he was a guard. He was a right
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  guard only at Jacksonville. Right guard a lot with Washington.
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  I don't know that he's played left guard. So well,
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  we'll see if they if they go that direction. Shack
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  Mason who was drafted by the Patriots, the Texans cut him.
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  He's mostly a right guard. Dalton Reisner has played a
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  lot of left guard. Isaiah Wynn who was drafted by
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  the Patriots. Boy, that was a bad mess by Belichick
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  as a left tackle who's too short, short arms. I
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  don't know what he was thinking there with that one
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  never really worked out. He moved, he moved to guard.
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  He can play left guard, by the way. So the
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  question would be, if it's a long term or season
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  ending injury to Dickerson, would they go to the street,
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  would they or would they make a trade for a
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  guy kind of like they did with ja Corey and
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  Bennett who will get you later in the show. So
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  what we'll see now in house options not very good.
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  Speaker 2: M Well, depends, but yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean compared to a guy like Brandon Sharf Sure
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  or even Shaq Mason. They've had some nice careers, so
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  they have a couple of different options here. The weird
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  thing is they keep going with Brett Toath as like,
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  you know, the first guy off the bench, even though
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  he's never made the team and they've got some draft
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  picks and some veterans. The second team guards have been
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  Toath at left guard and Darrin Knnard at right guard.
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  One thing they could do, you still have them to
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  find somebody, but you could play Tyler Steen at left
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  guard because he has played there before, and then find
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  the right guard, or you keep Tyler Stein at right
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  guard and then play somebody at left guard. Unless there's
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  something we're not seeing, I can't imagine it being toathd
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  I know, we know he struggled at center. He is
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  getting the reps at guard on the second team. That
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  tells you something a little bit. But to me, you
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  know you're looking at Matt Pryor first off the bench.
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  Is a guy who can play guard or Canard. Pryor's
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  got way more experience. But I think most of his
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  guard experiences on the right side at them. So that's
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  why I wonder if maybe they would play him at
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  right guard and then move Steen to left guard.
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  Speaker 3: All right, here we go. So Brett Toat has started
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  one game in his career. It was at right tackle.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, against the Baltimore Ravens. Right remember that game where
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  I say, twenty twenty your starting tackle, you're in trouble
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  and they sure were.
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  Speaker 3: Never forget when you said that and wouldn't know what
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  he started. So Matt Pryor started thirty nine games in
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  his career, twenty five at right guard, ate at right tackle,
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  six at left tackle. He's never started a game at
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  left guard. Trevor Keegan is a left guard. You certainly
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  don't want him starting a bunch of games. Kenyon Green
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  who is bust unfortunately for the Texans as a guard,
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  and he's hurt right now dealing with a shoulder injury,
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  and he had not been a great camp for him.
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  So it's not good now, But we'll see. It comes
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  down to the severity of the injury for Dickerson with
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  the right leg here, if it's long term, you would
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  think most likely it'll be signing somebody or trading for
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  somebody well as the way progresses, depending on what comes
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  out on this. If it's a long term injury, well
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  we'll put a list together of potential guys who could
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  be traded who basically what the Eagles would target then,
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  like they did with Bennett, it's perfect targeting a guy
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  who is not going to start, who they liked for
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  the draft, who's got a lot of upside and just
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  is buried on the depth chart or not giving a
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  fair chance, but they like so and when you know it,
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  Bennett in his second practice got some work with the ones.
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  But we'll get to that later.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess one guy to sort of keep
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  an eye on only because he's you know, he's working
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  at second team. He's the rookie Kendall. He's been the
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  second team center. He seems to be doing a good job.
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  I thought he played well in the preseason. If he's
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  playing well enough, they may consider him at left guard
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  and to be that left guard slash backup center.
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  Speaker 2: But we're we're a little far from there. I think
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  it'll be interesting.
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  Speaker 1: To see this week in practice if Brett Tooth continues
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  to be a second team guard or if they do
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  make some movements there as they maybe prepare if they
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  have to for Dickerson being out. So that's all stuff
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  we will find out in the coming days. But you
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  mentioned the traffic getting out there was rough, right. They
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  had that concert going on with that, So who was
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  a Zach Brown concert or something?
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  Speaker 2: I forget it was Chris Brown. Chris Brown, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: The problem was the problem was at Sindince Back Park.
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  The problem was that they didn't really have anyone directing
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  traffic that was noticeable, and it was a parking lot
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  in the street. It was awful. That's rough getting out.
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  I mean, you know, I booked out as soon as
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  practice over.
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  Speaker 2: I got out of.
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  Speaker 3: There, and it took me. Usually when I would go
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  to a game, I would wait an hour hour and
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  a half after the game, or if it was a blowout,
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  I'd leave late in the fourth quarter so I can
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  get home in enough time. But man, it was brutal
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  for anyone and want you already know this, so but
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  it is what it is. It was a very interesting practice.
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  A lot went on. It was just over two hours
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  and there was a lot there was boy, I don't know,
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  Fangio was super aggressive. This is the most aggressive I
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  have to tell you, once we set this thing up,
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  most aggressive i've seen him in a practice. I don't
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  know if he thinks he doesn't have good enough pass
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  rush or what. I don't know whether he wanted to
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  see certain things, but man, they were regressive.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: He did mention in his press conference that it was
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  it was a little bit about time for the pass rushers,
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  the edge ones to start really showing up.
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  Speaker 2: He seemed to absolve if you read the quotes, he
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  seemed to absolve the starters Hunt and Nolan Smith. He
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  seemed to be funneling his quotes more.
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  Speaker 1: On the edge guys, because I think even mentioned and
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  he said Usha, who's had a pretty good camp. He
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  almost seems like he said he's flashing, and he said
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  something about needing to be more consistent.
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  Speaker 2: I think the dropping back. I remember last week he had.
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  Speaker 1: An issue dropping into coverage and then Jalen Hurts easily
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  hit DeVante Smith down the side for a long game,
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  just taking advantage of that mismatch. So that's probably where
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  what he's referring to the back. He said, they have
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  to understand our system. So obviously we know Vic runs
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  a different kind of system at him, and it doesn't.
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  You don't just come in and learn it overnight, you know.
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  And that's why I think we'll talk about Bennett. It's
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  not just so easy to get him involved because with
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  all the match carry deliver concepts, you really have to
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  know the playbook here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing is not everyone system is the same.
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  Speaker 2: Real quick.
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  Speaker 3: On the injuries logic, Cooks was watching practice with the
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  shoulder injury. Yeah, we met you, Kenyon Green with the shoulder.
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  Byron Young continues to miss a lot of practice with
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  the groin entry. AJ Brown he came out, which was
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  good with the hamster injury. He did just individuals and
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  then I was it for him. And then they did
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  so much teamwork that him and Bond Bond did some
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  individual positions drills only with as AJ Brown did Bond
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  with the back. But it was just good that they
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  were on the field. That's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, all right, So let's get to some
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  of the practice observations. And it is a good thing
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  that Brown and Bonn are back. And I wasn't really
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  worried about them anyway. I felt like, you know, those
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  are the guys that they're not going to get pushed
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  real hard in camp, but it was always good to
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  see him start to do a few things.
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  Speaker 2: What stood out offensively from the practice, All.
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  Speaker 3: Right, here's my notes. So the defense more often than
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  not dominated. It was you they keep on the scoreboard.
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  It was twelve to ten defense. It's all situational. The
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  whole practice situational. They don't go full field. Generally they
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  go half right. They do it kind of like in quarters.
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  But they started like the twenty five, and they work
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  the way down and they keep switching off first team,
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  second team, and so forth. Thirteam a little bit the
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  highlight on offense. So they did have a great corner round,
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  a great timing round from Hurts to Smith over Degene.
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  I believe it was right corner. It's just a great
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  he threw it. It wasn't what you called anticipation. Was
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  definitely timing route because Smith was in the middle of
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  this route and he he had to go get it.
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  Was a great throw, great, great beautiful touch on it.
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  But to be honest with you, the defense made it
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  really hard that Quignon Mitchell is just glue. He's just
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  he's having the It's the summer of Quignon he's been phenomenal,
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  he really has. And then it was interesting and I
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  was looking it's because these damn numbers. The players are allowed
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  to wear whatever number pretty much they want. So he's
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  wearing forty nine, I think, Bennett. And I'm like, because
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  I was looking for myth, you know, I keep forgetting,
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  I'm oh, he'll be in the twenties. No, he's forty nine.
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  Like why is he wearing a long staff for summer?
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  By the way, the backup long staf for thirty seven?
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  On offense, the kid he's an undirected freege and he's
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  two hundred and fifty pounds. He's a he's six two plus.
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  He's a big dude. Yeah, Christo, Yeah, Johnstone. Yeah. But
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  getting back to the defense, they just dominated. Now, there
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  were some good interesting things. So Darius Cooper, what they
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  do with him at receivers, they reduce him. He's not
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  a true outside receiver. They move him in. He's outside,
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  but they like the rams do they move the receivers
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  in so he can get open.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And that he returned some kicks. Yeah, I was like, wow,
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  what forty one's returning kicks? He was at they had
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  a special teams drill where he went one on one
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  downfield on coverage.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: Taylor Morrin's getting lot of second team slot, which is interesting.
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  Some putt return he gets open in a short area. Man,
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  he does, he's, he's he's got decent size, like he's
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  he looks bigger than maybe he's listed size, which is
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  a scouting term.
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  Speaker 2: It looks good.
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  Speaker 3: He does look.
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  Speaker 1: Good second team slot. Now that meant yeah, like you mentioned,
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  I like it. I always say after the first preseason
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  game is when you start to see a little bit
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  of movement right, little depth chart, movement up down. And
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  obviously Cooper who had even last week I wrote it
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  in my notebook he took at least one, maybe two
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  first team reps. Now he's working more with the first
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  team and return doing some special teams.
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  Speaker 2: So you know that they're starting to the.
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  Speaker 1: Wheels are going in the head here of the coaching
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  staff that maybe this guy can play and push for
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  the fifty three.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: So Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Nice Smith also gets a lot of them too. Terres
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  Marshall is very active in this and he's back from
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  his injury. He needs to Yeah, with his kne injury,
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  he's back big time. He got targeted a lot, not
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  a short intermediate area sizelon routes. I just look at
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  my notes here. Dotson had a great sideline catch from Hurts.
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  He you know, Dotson talked about it in his press conference.
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  Him and Hurts. You know, they trained together, so they
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  work together. So they're they're they're in the students, so
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  they're they're getting their timing down. The first team offense,
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  by the way, offensive line gave us some.
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  Speaker 1: Pressure and that's or Dickerson left right, yes, oh yeah,
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  oh yeah, So that's why the offense was just not
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  didn't dominate.
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  Speaker 3: Running back wise, Shipley looked explosively. It's some nice runs.
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  You see the difference between Dylan and Shipley. It's just
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  it's it's just the speed, explosiveness. And then Dylan looked fine.
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  I mean he's you know, he's an inside power runner.
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  And he also had in a couple of nice checkdowns
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  from Hurts or whoever the or m McKee got a
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  lot of run As a second team quarterback. Barkley had
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  a couple of misses in pass proh What happened was
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  it's not that he did it. He identified like the
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  one that Trotter got him on Tryer took up one
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  step to the left, beat him to the right. He
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  just he whiffed. Yeah, that's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: So that in a team that was in team yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, eleven eleven. So Harrison Bryant Kalcutar is clearly
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  the two. But Harrison Bryant is the guy now behind Calcatarrata.
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  If they keep three tight ends, that that's the way
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  I would look at it right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, that's true. I mean, he he so.
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  Speaker 3: At least he did there.
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  Speaker 2: He got a lot of well in the game. He
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  ran with the two.
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  Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant ran with the two's I think more so
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  than Kyleen Grantson. But Kyln caught more passes. And when
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  Harrison was in they ran a lot of split zone.
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  That's when you have two tight ends and they line
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  up on each side in a little bit offset and
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  then one COEs across and provides the lead block for
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  the running back. So I noticed Harrison Bryant in that
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  role and that split its own role quite a bit,
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  and that's a big staple of their run offense. So
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  that told me that even though he hasn't it seems
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  like he's had an invisible camp maybe the coaches are
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  happy with how he's been run blocking and they're not
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  worried as much about whether he's going to stretch the
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  field because they got enough guys for that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Brian blocks Baron CaCu Terra Cauck. Terror is just
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  a better athlete. I mean, he's been in the offense
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  much longer. Also, when they played thirteen personnel, he was
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  I saw him in there. Just look at my notes.
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  He was in there. They might run some thirteen which
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  is three tight ends.
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  Speaker 2: Well oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: However, the one thing that contradicts what I thought about
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  seeing on the play is that I believe on the
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  opening kickoff coverage that Grantson was part of the first
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  team there, but not Bryant. I'll have to go back
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  and check the numbers I wrote down, but I'm for
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  sure grants And that's what that's usually very telltale. If
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  you're on first team kick off returner coverage, then usually
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  you're you're on an important player on the fifty three.
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  So we'll have to just keep monitoring that with the
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  Browns game and everything more offense, quick, real quick, I
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  want to ask you because you said you said Vic
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  was bringing it.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Right a couple of what says, Okay.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: So it seemed to be more than a coupleable god, yeah.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: If you said the offensive line give up some pressure.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: But was it also like when I think of Vic
• 17:37
  bringing it five six, seven guys, that sometimes is on
• 17:40
  more the running back or the quarterback to release quickly
• 17:43
  or the tight end that kept in to block. Did
• 17:45
  you notice where the pressure was coming from or was
• 17:48
  it consistently all over? This seemed to be all over.
• 17:50
  Seemed to be all over and Hurts checked it down,
• 17:53
  which was good. So McKee did a little bit. So
• 17:56
  we'll say, I mean it was only one practice, and
• 18:00
  I don't read a lot into it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: On the offensive. They have an elite offensive line with Dickerson,
• 18:04
  so we'll see what happens.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you noted that I feel like DTR has has.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Had some pretty good practices recently.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Well he's yeah, he's got a he's got better arm
• 18:14
  when you knew that going in any way, Yeah, DTR
• 18:17
  was was seems to be getting more of the thirteen
• 18:20
  reps in the cord h where you thought it was
• 18:23
  a lot because what they would have loved to have
• 18:25
  done and it still could happen. But it's going to
• 18:27
  need to be sped up and it's going to feel better.
• 18:29
  Is one of these guys would develop enough where they go, wow,
• 18:32
  this guy, we we can't waive this guy. We gotta
• 18:34
  we gonna want him to get claimed off waivers where
• 18:36
  we want to keep him because he's looking good. They
• 18:38
  maybe trade McKee in March, but right now, that's it's
• 18:43
  not happening. I they they're they got to develop these guys. Look,
• 18:47
  it's there's enough. There's three weeks left. Then you got
• 18:50
  the fall and you never know what happens, but it's
• 18:54
  got to be better.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Well, if they want dtr they may have to consider
• 18:56
  keeping four quarterbacks then, because like you said, you don't
• 18:59
  want to risk lou using McCord to waivers because it's
• 19:02
  a quarterback.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know that that's that's a rough one. We'll see.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't read. I wouldn't make any decisions yet. I'm
• 19:10
  just telling you where it's at.
• 19:11
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  Speaker 1: That's right, all right, defense, So obviously I feel like
• 20:26
  this happened last year too.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, maybe I know Vic was. I thought
• 20:30
  even a couple of years ago when Vick was not
• 20:32
  coordinator or it was like yeah, and.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: There's something about these night practices where they like to
• 20:35
  put on a show because I felt like last year
• 20:38
  they were pretty aggressive defensively in the night practice or
• 20:42
  the open practice, whatever you want to call it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they definitely brought the pressure. So Ojoe
• 20:48
  Mo just makes a tough one that he's really good. Wow,
• 20:50
  that he's his first step quickness. He seems to win
• 20:53
  almost his It's called QR, which means quality rush. That's
• 20:57
  a coaching term. It's quality rush. Right, I want to
• 20:59
  fake keep it. If they do, it's got to be
• 21:01
  like elite. He's just game. Hall shows up now. Gabe
• 21:05
  Hall was sall holding his arm looking my notes. He
• 21:08
  was holding his arm or shoulder after one play. We'll
• 21:11
  see if he's on the entryport going forward. Uh, Byron
• 21:14
  Young again did not practice. They're very light on death
• 21:16
  right now. With if Byron Young not working, they got
• 21:19
  the got the kid Sykes, who's with Seattle. You know
• 21:23
  he's he was with Seattle the last two years. Uh,
• 21:27
  well he's actually he was cut two years ago and
• 21:29
  hadn't hit a bunch of tryouts, but it had not
• 21:32
  been signed anyone by anyone, so he started training camp.
• 21:35
  So they're a little bit light there. That's something to
• 21:37
  watch going.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: For Yeah, Booker, because Booker got traded right and then
• 21:41
  of course by was still hurt.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: That's why in the game in the in the preseason
• 21:47
  game the.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Five man front, the nose tackle was Joe uh but
• 21:53
  Joe Evans Evans.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Was your first string nose tackle where Jordan Davis used
• 21:58
  to play, but Jordan wasn't playing because he's the starter.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Joe Evans and then Sykes got in there
• 22:03
  pretty early.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Either, Jacob Sykes too, So that just shows you where
• 22:06
  they're at from a depth level, because I don't think
• 22:08
  these guys are pushing to make the fifty three.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I know Evans is wide, he's not tall, but he
• 22:13
  is He's got a lot of way to him.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Other notes is that it's it's very clear that ushe
• 22:22
  is ahead of Ojilari. That's been the first three days
• 22:25
  of Campbochlari was clearly ahead of him just based on
• 22:27
  the rotation, but ever since then then, Obo o'concro is
• 22:32
  is after those two guys and Campbell. Campbell gets a
• 22:37
  chance to rush. I would not call him attrusher because
• 22:39
  he's lining up mostly as an inside backer, but you
• 22:43
  see his explosiveness. Man, he is. He had a lot
• 22:47
  of flash plays in this practice. He definitely flashed. He's
• 22:49
  getting better.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Patrick Johnson's had a nice camp though.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And it's interesting because Patrick Johnson has come in and
• 22:56
  ran with the first team reps.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And this is a guy who had a really good.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Camp last year. Uh and and and made the fifty three.
• 23:04
  Before you know, they had some injuries, they had to
• 23:06
  play some roster tango, and then he wound up getting
• 23:08
  going with the Giants, right, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, he.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Was climbing off waivers. Yeah. So basically when when Nolan
• 23:15
  Smith was out of practice or limited, that's when Patrick
• 23:19
  Johnson was getting work with the ones. Like all of
• 23:20
  a sudden, he like leap frog, Yeah, Concroe and and
• 23:24
  ouch for a couple of practices. So, but his deals
• 23:28
  with special teams. He really plays on defense. So we'll
• 23:30
  see what I know.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: But that's the that's the where it comes down to
• 23:33
  how many of you are keeping in what role? Because
• 23:35
  your top four are pretty cemented with Jay Legs Hunt
• 23:37
  and Nolan Smith and Josh and Azizo Jeli.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: So if you're looking at number five, are you.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Keeping the unconcuo kid because he's a good speed rusher
• 23:45
  or are you keeping Patrick Johnson?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Are you keeping both? And going with six?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Johnson was at the edge and he's been in this defense.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And then I didn't even mention the kid
• 23:54
  that they drafted who has who's been invisible? But they
• 23:56
  drafted the kid Powell, So, uh, it's gonna be an
• 24:00
  interesting numbers game at that position.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I agree totally.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: All right, what do you know? It's from the inside
• 24:06
  linebacker crew.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just the Campbell made it flash plays.
• 24:11
  He's getting better. What he is is he's very physical.
• 24:16
  It's not just in this practices at at Novercare. It
• 24:21
  was like last night it was You're like, wow, he's
• 24:24
  really bringing it and you never know what's in his head.
• 24:26
  Was because because the media didn't get any access to
• 24:29
  him after practice, But did he bring it more because
• 24:32
  of the crowd who knows Beraro was on man defense?
• 24:37
  It was pretty funny like he maybe maybe they were
• 24:40
  telling him to, hey, make it like a a game
• 24:43
  and get the crowd up, which makes sense, why not
• 24:45
  do that? So sure, w yeah it was good. No,
• 24:49
  they they got loud. They got loud when they need to.
• 24:51
  So again, Bond didn't work in team, so it was
• 24:53
  it was Trotter Campbell than Bondon and Dallas gantsk got
• 24:57
  good length to him number fifty seven from Toledo.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those guys need to have a really
• 25:03
  good two days of practice against the Is it two
• 25:04
  practices against the rounds?
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: It is right, yes and Thursday yep.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they need to have good practices.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: They didn't stand out in a positive way in the game,
• 25:12
  so the pads came out it was their time and
• 25:15
  against the Bengals, and I thought they missed a few
• 25:18
  tackles and overall didn't play as physical as I've seen
• 25:21
  them play in camp. So I think it'll be best
• 25:25
  for them to have a nice little bounce back to
• 25:27
  me the preseason game.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Sure, but ither than the practices. The joint practices are.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Are more intense, they're more physical, they're more structured as well,
• 25:34
  so you get to see them in all sorts of positions,
• 25:37
  whether it's red zone, third down, situational. That's where those guys,
• 25:40
  I'd like to see perform a little better than they
• 25:43
  did against the Bengals.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: So the Wednesday practice will be the most important because
• 25:46
  you it's very light two days before the game. Wednesday
• 25:50
  one should be normal practice and that should be physical. No.
• 25:53
  By the way, I was at the twenty three and
• 25:55
  twenty four practices with the Browns. Those were very physical.
• 25:59
  Those were really really lively. I could I could certainly
• 26:02
  see why Stefanski, a Philadelphia native out of Saint Jo's Prep,
• 26:06
  and Siriani like working with each other here.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, those one on ones.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Uh, when they'll do between like say, my Lotta and
• 26:13
  Miles Garrett will be pretty I saw that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Or Lane and Miles Garrett.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: There were something else. Man, It's so funny you mentioned
• 26:19
  that because I remember, like, wow, because Garrett is so
• 26:21
  long and explosive.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, good stuff there. You mentioned earlier. Quinna
• 26:27
  Mitchell just he's now the model of consistency. It seems
• 26:31
  he just he goes out there and makes place. Yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not worried about the lack of interceptions. I'm really not.
• 26:37
  Just be a great cover corner, which he is, which
• 26:39
  he's running into format. That was his big knock. From
• 26:43
  a scouting standpoint is didn't have great hands, would fight
• 26:45
  the football, okay, and plus he didn't play man coverage.
• 26:48
  That was that was an issue. Well he did it
• 26:50
  at the Senior Bowl. But man, the guys, it's the
• 26:52
  phenomenal football player. Uh it was. Dorry Jackson was first
• 26:55
  up at right corner Van Ringo. Then they worked eight
• 27:00
  in practice last five minutes, it seemed, or so they
• 27:04
  bent it up with the ones.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Well that's fast.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I mean that just shows you they were he's in
• 27:09
  this competition's in.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: That's in. You don't have to guess it's in. You
• 27:12
  just said, that's one hundred percent happening. Not that we
• 27:14
  knew it was going to happen. I just the first
• 27:16
  second practice, second practice, right, it was pretty interesting. Uh,
• 27:20
  we'll see. I talked to Greg co Sell about him.
• 27:22
  By the way, he really likes Bennett's tape.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Oh really hees.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Greg and I talked over the weekend. I was I
• 27:28
  wanted to know what he thought. He goes would not
• 27:31
  surprise me if he won the job. I'm like, what
• 27:32
  are your thoughts? He goes because he goes because the
• 27:34
  guy's a good football player. He knew about the timing
• 27:38
  was very good. He knew about the you know, the combine,
• 27:40
  but just by he by the tape, he goes, oh,
• 27:43
  this guy could play. He's fast, he's he's strong. He's
• 27:46
  another guy wh plays bigger than his listed size at
• 27:48
  five to ten and a half. He looks much bigger
• 27:51
  than that physically. Right, So we'll see mac mcgoiam's still
• 27:55
  the second team, Nickel mccomba right now, he's playing behind
• 28:00
  Sidney Brown because you remember he missed time to the
• 28:03
  shoulder issue, so he's working his way back. We we
• 28:07
  gotta fit, like you know, because when you see when
• 28:11
  you see Degene as a safety in base, if Sidney
• 28:16
  Brown comes in bed, you know, Sidney Brown will come
• 28:20
  in and Nickel as the safety and coops and Nickel. So,
• 28:25
  but they got to figure out who's going to play
• 28:28
  the majority of the safety position next to blanket ship.
• 28:31
  That's the thing they're going to have over the next
• 28:33
  three weeks. It's either Brown or r Kouba. If they're
• 28:35
  not happy with that, that's where another player comes in.
• 28:37
  We'll see what happens.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I know that the reporters were trying to get something
• 28:42
  out of Vic just on on who's you know, sort
• 28:45
  of stepping up there and Vic Vic played it a
• 28:47
  little bit more closer to the vest than ordinary, you know,
• 28:51
  he didn't he said everybody's doing well. He did say
• 28:53
  he thought Sidney Brown has been learning the system a
• 28:55
  lot better this year than last year. Yeah, and I
• 28:58
  believe you mentioned he just has to start to see
• 29:00
  things a little quicker. He said, we just got to
• 29:04
  polish him up and see things a little better, a
• 29:06
  little quicker, which is a natural progression for young players.
• 29:10
  And then mentioned that last year was not a very
• 29:12
  good developmental time for him because he was hurt. So
• 29:15
  I thought that was actually positive from Vic to say
• 29:17
  that he's he's there, he's getting there.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: He's just got to see things a little quicker.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: The question will be off what you just said is
• 29:26
  does he get there, because if he doesn't, it's the
• 29:30
  one had mccoba never had that shoulder issue. Let's say
• 29:33
  he he's number twenty four, by the way, because I
• 29:36
  was watching him Sunday night, because you know, he could
• 29:39
  play nickel because if something crazy happened where Vic said,
• 29:43
  you know what, I've had it, let's put let's put
• 29:46
  koopt safety with blanket chip and we're going to go
• 29:48
  with that full time. The mccoob could be the nickel
• 29:51
  because he's done. He did it at Clemson, so it's
• 29:53
  not like they don't have an option. YEP, wouldn't be
• 29:56
  the worst decision. I'm not rolling anything out here internally
• 29:59
  because it's they got that Vic. Vic doesn't care. He's
• 30:04
  going to do what he thinks his best, right, you
• 30:06
  know he I'm not saying it's funny because I know
• 30:09
  he said this early on in his tenure here with Eagles,
• 30:13
  said it last year about he took it. He wasn't
• 30:16
  taking a shot at Howie. He was taking a shot.
• 30:18
  It might have been at John Elway or the front office.
• 30:21
  So you know, I've I've had disagreements with with uh
• 30:24
  front offices before because we know here at the front
• 30:28
  office saw Cooper Degenus a corner mm hmm. Just because
• 30:33
  you see him as that doesn't mean you have to
• 30:34
  do that. So this thing is gonna be fascinating to
• 30:37
  see what happens these next three weeks.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I think this will be an important week
• 30:42
  also from Akuba, just because he was able to get
• 30:45
  to practice the last practice before the game against the Bengals.
• 30:48
  He practiced in They said he was limited, but he
• 30:50
  got that out there a decent amount. Obviously because of
• 30:53
  this just coming off the shoulder, they held him out
• 30:56
  of the preseason game.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Right, he didn't play in the preseason game.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think against the Bengals, I don't think it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were just making sure he's going to
• 31:02
  be ready for this week against the Brown So I
• 31:05
  would anticipate him being out there good to go, and
• 31:07
  and then the competition will will.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Pick back up between him and Sydney.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and see that. They just want this to have.
• 31:14
  Oh no, I'm yeah. Mccoob didn't play. In fact, they
• 31:16
  finally we got to snap counts. I forgot to.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: They didn't have him on Friday. They got him up
• 31:24
  over the weekend. So it's funny Canard didn't play every snap.
• 31:29
  He only played fifty percent of snaps.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that was a that was the last year thing.
• 31:35
  He's more of you know, he's more season now he
• 31:38
  doesn't have to. Plus, the Eagles have a lot more
• 31:40
  offensive lineman to.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Uh to look at.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Johnny Wilson and Cooper led them in in snaps. Wilson
• 31:47
  seventy seven percent of snaps Cooper Darris Cooper sixty snaps,
• 31:51
  and Hinton led them on offensive line snaps eighty one percent,
• 31:55
  Drew Kennell seventy eight. Who's is coming along here, We'll
• 31:58
  see he's coming along. Matt Pryor had fifty eight percent
• 32:01
  of the snaps.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Who played the most tight end?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Who after between calcol No, I'm sorry, hold on, reset
• 32:10
  between Granson and Harrison Bryant who played the most snaps?
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: All right? So, and by the way, Granson intermediate hit
• 32:17
  a couple of intermediate level catches on Sunday night. Grantson
• 32:20
  led them. They it was it's funny thirty one percent,
• 32:24
  Jenkins thirty, Brian twenty three. But again it's situationally, what
• 32:28
  formation did they play in?
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: You know you I wasn't charting, Okay, how many eleven
• 32:33
  personnel and uh in thirteen over twelve? I don't you know,
• 32:39
  I didn't mark that. But it's really Harrison Bryant is
• 32:43
  just a better football player than E. J. Jenkins, But
• 32:45
  Jenkins has elite length and Jenkins has played a lot
• 32:48
  more on special teams than Brian did. Jenkins had twenty
• 32:50
  one snaps on specials. Brian had six, so I think
• 32:54
  we talked about this before. They have seven tight ends
• 32:56
  in the roster they could if they only keep You're
• 33:00
  almost starting to see two on the practice squad. It
• 33:02
  just becomes who are those guys going to be? Do
• 33:06
  they take the experience with Bryant or do they want
• 33:09
  the guy like Jenkins who subject to waivers if they
• 33:11
  cut him right, who they've invested a lot of time into.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: It's just see, all right, good stuff.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: We will keep you all posted on the Land and
• 33:21
  Dickerson injury, and we'll have all the latest updates as
• 33:24
  the week goes on, and of course we'll have the
• 33:26
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• 33:30
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