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Jaleel White Reveals How Steve Urkel Was Really Created · Get TO The Point

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Get to the Point. I'm your host, Terrell Lawrence,
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  Speaker 1: and my other host, Chris Spencer, here.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why you're yelling. Is it because of him?
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  Speaker 2: I told you I'm nervous.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Well, ladies and gentlemen, there's a reason to be nervous.
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  Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, our guest is Jaleel White. What up, Jay?
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  Speaker 2: What's up, man?
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  Speaker 3: Jay Dub.
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  Speaker 2: How y'all doing?
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  Speaker 3: This is too funny.
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  Speaker 2: I think people really enjoy when we talk smack to
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  Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, man. This guy here, man. When was
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  Speaker 2: the first time y'all met? I'm trying to think. Remind me.
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  Speaker 2: Refresh my memory. Was it with the Eagles?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, 100%.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay. I'm with the Eagles. It's good times.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I did know he came out for a game,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't know what the connection was.
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  Speaker 2: And I was another fellow UCLA alum.
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  Speaker 1: Freddie Mitchell. you guys are good friends. And I met,
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  Speaker 1: I think we met at a party. I think it
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  Speaker 1: may have been at Javon Curse's house. One of the
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  Speaker 1: many parties that we had. Was it after the Hugh
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  Speaker 1: Douglas fight? No, it was well before that. This was
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  Speaker 1: before any of that.
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  Speaker 3: Hey man, I.
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  Speaker 4: Know, I know all the stories.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you do?
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  Speaker 4: Freddie would text me every day.
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  Speaker 3: T.O.
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  Speaker 4: Did this today.
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  Speaker 3: T.O.
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  Speaker 4: Did that today.
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  Speaker 1: Freddie was social media before social media.
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  Speaker 4: That's such a great quote.
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  Speaker 2: Freddie was social media before social media.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you. Um, but yeah, that's, that's what
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  Speaker 2: I recall. I think it was at night. It was
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  Speaker 2: a good night.
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  Speaker 1: We're all having fun hanging out. And then I think
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  Speaker 1: we ended up on the ping pong table. Um, I'll
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  Speaker 1: let you tell the ping pong story.
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  Speaker 4: Nah, you can jump into it. I've been waiting to
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  Speaker 4: hear your version of the story for years.
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  Speaker 1: No, I just heard you wanted to rematch it. So
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  Speaker 1: if you wanted to rematch. Oh, we can definitely do that.
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  Speaker 3: So you beat him.
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  Speaker 2: If he wants to rematch.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: If he wants to rematch, what happens?
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  Speaker 4: Why would I want to rematch?
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  Speaker 2: What you mean?
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  Speaker 3: He's saying, you're calling for a rematch. We were going
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  Speaker 3: to set up a ping pong table in here.
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  Speaker 4: Clearly there's not enough room.
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  Speaker 3: But they said it's because you wanted a rematch with him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's true.
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  Speaker 2: So you're asking for a rematch.
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  Speaker 4: No, see, I was offering him a rematch.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we didn't say that.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it was.
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  Speaker 4: I was offering him a rematch.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow, there's a lot of ambiguity in this story.
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  Speaker 3: Got you.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's go ahead and straighten it out, man.
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  Speaker 2: TBD.
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  Speaker 3: Why TBD?
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  Speaker 4: I want to know what do you think happened that evening?
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  Speaker 3: I'm nice. What happened that night y'all played?
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  Speaker 4: He's a very nice player.
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  Speaker 2: That was 20 years ago.
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  Speaker 4: CTE. CTE.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so I think we understand exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 2: CTE.
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  Speaker 4: Drewski has entered the room.
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  Speaker 2: So you need a rematch. I don't recall. I can't recall.
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  Speaker 2: What happened, man? What happened, Jaleel?
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  Speaker 4: First of all, I'm more annoyed than he is that
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  Speaker 4: that team did not win a Super Bowl. That team
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  Speaker 4: was beautiful. I saw that team up close and personal.
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about the Philadelphia Eagles. And I'm dropping all names.
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  Speaker 4: Freddie and Don and him and Tim Douglas and whomever, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: When they got on the field, they were really a
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  Speaker 4: special team. And off the field, they were equally special.
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  Speaker 4: I would fly in just to party with these fools.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they threw amazing parties at their homes.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what?
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't even the kind of parties where it was like,
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  Speaker 4: You know, we got the jokes now. Oh, it's a
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  Speaker 4: ditty party. It's in the nose. None of that. These
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  Speaker 4: were legit parties.
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  Speaker 2: Like brotherhood parties.
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  Speaker 1: I had parties at my house on Monday nights. I
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  Speaker 1: had Monday night parties. I had the lounge downstairs.
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  Speaker 4: And this was a Monday night party at his house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the neon light. I had a neon
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  Speaker 1: light thing made called the T.O.
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  Speaker 2: 's Lounge. You go to come in the house, go downstairs.
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  Speaker 2: plush chairs, the music, man, it was lovely.
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  Speaker 4: Both sides of the ball, offense and defense, everybody there.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 4: Everybody there.
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  Speaker 2: So the partying wasn't a detriment to them?
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a party what everybody probably would assume or expect.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you say party.
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  Speaker 3: It was a get-together.
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  Speaker 2: Right. How many people we talked to?
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  Speaker 1: Bro, it was a lot of teammates, bro, like black
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  Speaker 1: and white. It wasn't just all brothers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It was a pour-your-own-drink party, you know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I bought one of the biggest houses in Morristown, New
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  Speaker 1: Jersey when I was there.
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  Speaker 4: And it was beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It was a good time. It was like everybody was
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  Speaker 4: in on it. The baddest chicks. The baddest chicks. But
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  Speaker 4: it was cool because it was like, you remember the
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  Speaker 4: Little Penny Super Bowl commercial?
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Where it was just like they just panned into everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it felt like.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: It's like if you were somebody in Philadelphia at the
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  Speaker 4: time and it was a Monday night and they'd already
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  Speaker 4: whooped somebody on a Sunday, hey, this is what it was.
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  Speaker 4: And it was great. So he had a ping pong
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  Speaker 4: table out back. So I was like, oh, man, who plays?
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  Speaker 2: Cool.
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  Speaker 4: So we jump out there. We start doing a little something, something.
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  Speaker 4: He nice with it. You know, T.O. 's an athlete.
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  Speaker 4: Anytime I'm dealing with an athlete of his caliber, he's
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  Speaker 4: going to be nice with it.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: However, I am trained in the art.
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  Speaker 3: I stay Gucci down to the socks.
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  Speaker 4: I am trained in the art of the paddle.
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  Speaker 3: However.
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  Speaker 2: However.
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  Speaker 6: I stay Gucci down to the socks.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: I'm trained in the art of the paddle.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So I start doing my thing. Get the first win.
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  Speaker 2: T.O.
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  Speaker 4: 's like, nah, run it back. Now I'm looking at
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  Speaker 4: all this lovingness. We got all these flamingos and football
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  Speaker 4: players walking around here. I'm like, hey, can we get
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  Speaker 4: back to the game?
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  Speaker 3: No, no.
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  Speaker 4: He was like, run it back. So now you want
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  Speaker 4: to hit me with the athlete thing where it's a
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  Speaker 4: challenge to no end. So I keep winning, but he keep... Okay,
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  Speaker 4: run it back.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't win no games?
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  Speaker 4: Just run it back.
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  Speaker 2: Let him tell the story.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to run it back. I want you to
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  Speaker 4: finish it now.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, he's good, man. He sounds like he's finished.
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  Speaker 2: He's nice. He's nice.
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  Speaker 4: The thing for me that just cracked me up was...
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  Speaker 4: It was like I ignited that athlete side, that professional
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  Speaker 4: athlete side of him that's like, I'm not leaving here.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not interacting with anybody until I beat you.
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  Speaker 2: Until I get a win.
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  Speaker 4: Until I get a win.
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  Speaker 2: Until I get a win.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm being stubborn, too, because, you know, I'm competitive also,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, I can't let you get this win,
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  Speaker 4: but do you see these flamingos walking around us right now?
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  Speaker 4: So I'm trying to concentrate because I got all these
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  Speaker 4: flamingos walking in the background of him, and I'm trying
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  Speaker 4: to concentrate.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's really crazy when you have that? Competitive, like,
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  Speaker 1: just competitiveness in you, and you get in competitive mode. Bro,
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  Speaker 1: you don't see nothing, you don't hear nothing around you.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he clicked! It clicks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it ain't, bro.
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  Speaker 4: In his brain.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even think Neil Long could have gotten me
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  Speaker 1: off that table. I mean, that's how competitive I am.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm into something, bro, I'm like, I at least
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  Speaker 1: got to, I got to feel some sort of success.
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  Speaker 2: I got to feel something. I got to get a win.
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  Speaker 2: I got to get something. How'd you feel that night
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  Speaker 2: after you left? Bad.
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  Speaker 3: Bad.
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  Speaker 2: Terrible.
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  Speaker 4: He was in that Denzel mode.
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  Speaker 2: I'm leaving here with something.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So I first met you because a mutual friend of ours,
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  Speaker 3: Juan Pope, Jay Pope. What was his name? Chain?
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  Speaker 2: What was his name on Family Matters?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh. We had the funniest guest star name.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So he was the nicest guy in the world, a
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  Speaker 2: good friend of ours. He played the bully.
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  Speaker 4: He played a bully named Chain.
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  Speaker 3: This dude was like a trained thespian. So he's playing Chain,
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  Speaker 3: and then he brought you to UCLA.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And because this dude, you ever hoop with him?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, we used to hoop too. Yeah, we'd hoop
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  Speaker 4: every day.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I got jailed.
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  Speaker 4: That's what T.L. is a different animal. Now, let's switch gears.
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  Speaker 3: Let me finish my story. This is where you can win?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's switch gears. I still got a win. I
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  Speaker 4: got a win on him, though, in basketball for a
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  Speaker 4: different reason, but we can go back to that.
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  Speaker 3: This dude is a real hooper.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say something.
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  Speaker 3: You correct me if I'm wrong. Had there not been
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  Speaker 3: all this.
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  Speaker 3: Child stardom, you could have probably played Division I basketball.
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  Speaker 4: I could have come off the bench for somebody insignificant.
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  Speaker 2: No, Jaleel, you can play. I'm not talking, it ain't
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  Speaker 2: got to be Pac-12, Big Ten.
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  Speaker 4: No, listen, I definitely.
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  Speaker 2: You could have started at Austin Peay.
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  Speaker 4: That's insignificant.
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  Speaker 3: Say Bonaventure, Colgate.
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  Speaker 4: I actually take that as a compliment.
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  Speaker 3: You got a.
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  Speaker 1: Guy giving you props that blew both of his quads
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  Speaker 1: up trying to.
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  Speaker 2: I can hear you. Oh, damn. You all right.
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  Speaker 3: My bad.
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  Speaker 2: Carry on.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. So anyway, I'm giving him compliments because I've seen
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  Speaker 3: him play.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we played a lot.
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  Speaker 5: And.
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  Speaker 3: The way you can black out, he can black out.
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  Speaker 3: Don't let the smile and the laugh fool you. He
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  Speaker 3: had one of the best fights in celebrity basketball history.
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  Speaker 4: Are you going to bring that up?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. I don't think I've had it.
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  Speaker 3: Because people would think it's Jaleel. Family matters.
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  Speaker 2: These motherfuckers was tussling.
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  Speaker 4: He's about king.
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  Speaker 3: He's doing 6'5, white guy, 230 pounds, him and Jaleel wrestling.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't even break it up because we wanted to
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  Speaker 3: see if he could really fight. He's like.
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  Speaker 2: This motherfucker can fight. And then we broke it up.
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  Speaker 3: Blacked out.
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  Speaker 2: He swung on him. They were swinging.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny.
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  Speaker 3: And he wasn't even, see all these new muscles?
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  Speaker 2: NBA.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't have all that. He was a thin, young guy.
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  Speaker 3: This motherfucker.
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  Speaker 4: NBA, NBA E-League was just different. It brought something out
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  Speaker 4: of us, man. What a special time.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was.
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  Speaker 3: It really was.
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  Speaker 4: We'll never see that again. I'm telling you, we're never
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  Speaker 4: going to see it again.
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad I got in, like, on.
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  Speaker 3: The back end of that.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why we're never going to see it
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  Speaker 4: again is really one thing. Cell phones. Nobody was in
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  Speaker 4: there recording.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Cell phones.
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  Speaker 4: And you had the biggest names in the business. You had,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Tobey Maguire. You had Leo on occasion.
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  Speaker 5: Ice Cube.
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  Speaker 2: Ice Cube.
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  Speaker 5: Snoop.
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  Speaker 3: Jamie Foxx.
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  Speaker 4: Will Ferrell. You know, and it was mixed with agents
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  Speaker 4: and managers who also, we know, think they have a
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  Speaker 4: bigger deal than the talent.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: All those egos in a closed gym and give us
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  Speaker 4: actual NBA uniforms sponsored by the NBA. Trainers and stretching.
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  Speaker 2: We thought we was in the league.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, listen, people were flying back. Can I tell my story?
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  Speaker 2: The greatest story?
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen no shit. We are all in the
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  Speaker 3: gym watching Brian McKnight sing the national anthem for All-Star.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Boom. We play.
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  Speaker 2: The next game, Brian McKnight was right here.
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  Speaker 3: He jumped on a plane and raced.
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  Speaker 2: To get to his game. That's how serious this was
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  Speaker 2: for us.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm already.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, trust me. I know. I was there. I saw it. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't really in L.A.
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  Speaker 3: Like that.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But then I'm looking around. Like you said, it was
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  Speaker 1: just like... It was like a room of the who's who,
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  Speaker 1: to be quite honest.
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  Speaker 4: And it was a closed gym, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: not anybody just come up and get in there like
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  Speaker 1: you gotta have an invite you gotta know somebody.
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  Speaker 4: It got to the point even in the stands where
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  Speaker 4: it was like it was bad ones in the stands
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  Speaker 4: because the women were trying to get in there because
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  Speaker 4: they knew who was.
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  Speaker 6: In in there Leonardo absolutely so anyway it was you
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  Speaker 6: know the games would get heated it's actually kind of
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  Speaker 6: a life regret to a certain degree because I didn't
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  Speaker 6: understand the way I grew up I just didn't understand
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  Speaker 6: politics You.
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  Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I
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  Speaker 4: didn't understand that, you know, you're supposed to let your
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  Speaker 4: boss win. You know, you're supposed to let somebody who
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  Speaker 4: could be a potential boss win. And I always played
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  Speaker 4: my hardest. I played fair. I never tried to play dirty.
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  Speaker 4: I never wanted to, you know, undercut anybody or anything
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  Speaker 4: like that. But between here and here, hey man, we
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  Speaker 4: can bump. You know what I'm saying? I had no problems.
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  Speaker 4: I had no problems with that. And when I look
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  Speaker 4: back on it, I'm just like, damn, like, Wow, so
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  Speaker 4: that's why I was never on Modern Family.
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  Speaker 3: So word got out.
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  Speaker 2: So you ruined the relationship. You ruined some.
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  Speaker 4: Of your— Sometimes I would end up probably affecting a
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  Speaker 4: relationship a lot more than I ever even realized. As
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  Speaker 4: a matter of fact, I ran into the executive producer
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  Speaker 4: for Modern Family, and I was with my wife then,
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  Speaker 4: and we were only engaged at the time, and we
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  Speaker 4: were at Bar on 4 at Neiman Marcus. I love
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  Speaker 4: to chill here. And so we had borrowed four near markets.
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  Speaker 4: And I see this dude shoe shopping in the background.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, man.
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  Speaker 3: Levitan?
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  Speaker 4: No, it was the other one.
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  Speaker 3: It was Lloyd.
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  Speaker 4: So I turn to my wife. And I'm like, yo,
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  Speaker 4: this dude over here, he and I used to play basketball.
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  Speaker 3: He was an angry little motherfucker, too.
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  Speaker 4: But I used to get the better of him. And
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  Speaker 4: he really didn't like it. So if he passes me,
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  Speaker 4: he may speak, he may not. I'm just letting you
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  Speaker 4: know that happens in our town where people get this
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  Speaker 4: close to each other. and don't say nothing it's personal
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  Speaker 4: right and so i'm like all right so i just
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  Speaker 4: set her up for it all right cool and uh
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  Speaker 4: go back to eating that chili and sure enough he
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  Speaker 4: starts coming our way and lord i see him he's
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  Speaker 4: got his hands in his pocket he actually comes over
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  Speaker 4: and he's like hey how's it going you know you
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  Speaker 4: know he was real dry personality right i'm like what's
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  Speaker 4: up chris man how you doing you doing he's all
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: right this is my lady man he's like Yeah, this
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: guy used to give me a real hard time on
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: the basketball court. You know, real dry. Just real dry.
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: I had to just stop him. Just be like, Chris,
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: I really hope that we've let that go, man. Like,
• 13:08
  Speaker 4: we're a lot older now. Those were some great games
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: and we'll never live again. And it was kind of
• 13:12
  Speaker 4: like this weird, cool moment between us, actually, where it
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: was like an apology without an apology. But he came
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: over and delivered exactly what I thought was Could happen,
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: except it ended up more positive. But that's how serious
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: it was, man. There was a gang of people on
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: the executive side, too. And if you was executive, too,
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: and you really just physically had no business being out there,
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: I was going to go at you.
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you something. Did you feel like you
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: had to put a little bit more on it because
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: of who you were on TV?
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. But you played enough ball with me to know.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: It didn't necessarily come from a place of like... Where
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: I felt like I needed to be, I needed to
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: project an edge.
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: I just needed to let you know, if you thought
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: I was an easy win.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: You got the wrong one.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: You got the wrong, and I love playing, I love
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: playing East Coast ball too. Because.
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: Tell us the difference.
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: The difference is, East Coast basketball players, they always want
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: to dribble the air out the damn basketball.
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: Sure do.
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: They all want to cross you up. They're more concerned
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: about crossing you up than finishing the buckets.
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: Which is common. They want to get the ooh-ah.
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: They want to get the.
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: Big ooh-ah on you.
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: Sham God. West Coast, oh my gosh, right?
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they want the million dollar move with the two
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: cent finish.
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: With the two cent finish, right? And also on the
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: East Coast, they don't play AM1, all right? So that
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: creates a real volatile game point situation all the time, right?
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: And West Coast ballplayers, we shoot jump shots. So, you know,
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: two dribbles quick, pull up, boom, hit you at the elbow.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: If you're not going to play no defense, that's the
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: other thing about East Coast. Unless there's a coach involved,
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: these dudes don't play no defense. They got the baggiest
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: pants out there, all cool and everything like that.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: You're going to get a lot of comments.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: But this is all phantom defense, right? Now, I'm saying
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: if there's a coach involved, I'm not saying East Coast
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: can't play no defense, but there better be a coach involved. Streetball,
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: they play no defense. They are so... We shooting jumpers.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: You're not playing any defense. Let me get one step
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: inside this three-point line, and I'm pulling you.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: I'm pulling you, right?
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: So I would love playing those kind of games. And
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: then the ooh-ah would switch because if I hit a bucket,
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: it was a real ooh.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: You let this.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Little nerdy motherfucker punch your ass? Exactly.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: So it was just like I knew I wasn't projecting
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: physically what I was on the show. So that always
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: kind of like– I'm not going to say it annoyed me.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: It just, it was, it was weird to me.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: They couldn't separate the two individuals.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: It was like, I take everything at face value. You
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying? Like you just dap me up
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: coming here. This man has professional athlete hands. If he
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: puts his hands on you, you know, he's built differently.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: But that's something you got to know. Like there's only
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: a handful of people whose hands even feel like that.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard, Khalil Mack, whatever. When I dap up, my
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: hand disappears inside their hand. So let's go back. Let's
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: go back.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: But that explains why I've never really been on TV.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Cause I went to those games and I'm like, I'm
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: like Jaleel. There was no holding back on none of that.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Like my game, no nothing. So to hear him say
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: that and then understand like, yo, like, I'm coming into
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: a gym with, like you said, all these top execs,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: you got agents, you got actors.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: These are famous A-listers.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Me coming into the fold, like people knew me on
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: the football field, but then I'm like, yo, a lot
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: of people knew that I played basketball.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Athleticism, it kind of, they saw it coming before I
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: actually got there.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: So to go out there and play on the court
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: with all these guys, I'm like, yo, I'm not holding
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: nothing back.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: You're going to get dunked on. You're going to get
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: crossed over. You're going to get your top blocked. I'm
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: doing everything.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Now, the one thing I have to say, I did
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: talk T.O. into losing a game once.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: I love it. This dude remembers everything. I talked him
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: into losing a game once. We were playing at this
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: friend's house. They have an indoor basketball court at their home.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a replica of Staples Center.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: It was the Lakers.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: It was the Lakers joint, right? It was the Lakers joint, right? And,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: you know, we get some good competitive games in there.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: So T was in there doing his thing. And listen,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: first of all, if the ball's coming off the rim
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: and we're running... If he's on the wing, anybody stop it.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: He gonna do what he gonna do, all right? So
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: you really want to kind of slow down the game
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: when you're playing T.O. Get into a half-court set situation.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: He want to make it playoffs.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Harvard offense. You want to get into a half-court set
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: with this dude so that you can... Make him think,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: make him move around, make him be stand still for
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: a second, right? And I told my boy in a second,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: it was a tight game. I said, look, I'm going
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: to start taunting T.O.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: When it gets to the end.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: And sure enough, when we got to the end, I
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: started taunting him. Because his three can be a little
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: suspect sometimes. His three can be a little suspect sometimes.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: His three can be a little suspect sometimes. So I knew.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: You're going to pull that motherfucker off. That's fair. So
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: I told him. It was game point. I said, hey,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: sag off him. Let him shoot that shit. If you
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: say that to T.O., guess what?
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: Boom.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: It's going up.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: It's up.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: It's going up.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Not a single pass. Not a single pass. They're kicking
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: our ass, too, by the way. So we've come back.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: But not a single pass.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I had a Kobe moment.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Gotcha. No pass. Understood.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I said, sag off him. Let him shoot that shit.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: And I mean, as soon as I said it, I
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: couldn't get shit out of my mouth before it was
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: already up.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Clank, clank, clank. Clank, clank, clank.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: It come off the rim. Now, you know me. I'm
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: going to come back. I'm going to think about it.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm screaming at you. I'm like, yo, three
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: passes minimum.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Minimum.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Because again, nobody's rotating in pickup ball. One, two, three.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: You just don't catch somebody slipping. We win the game.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: We win the game. All right.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Let's go back.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite pickup game moments ever.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I want to go back.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I want to go back. I don't want to hear that.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I want to go back to baby Jalil. A lot
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: of people know your origin story, but maybe our audience don't.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Before Family Matters, were you this kid that was doing commercials?
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Were you doing plays? How did you come back?
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I did about 50 national commercials, man, before Family Matters.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: How many? About 50. Wow.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Oreo cookies, Toys R Us, Kid, Goodyear. I mean, you
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: name it. I did so many national commercials. And I
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: was on Jefferson's.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I was on Mr.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Belvedere. I didn't realize to what degree, as a child
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: at least, I was a veteran by the time I
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: got the show at age 12. Age 12, I'm like,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: I really, when I look back at that experience, I
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: actually looked at the first season of Family Matters. I
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: wanted to look at it during pandemics. And so I
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: watched all the episodes of the first season.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Did you really?
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to watch the first season. I'm like,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: it's an out-of-body experience for me because I'm like, who
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: is that kid? You know what I'm saying?
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: We had nothing but time.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: It really is. And we had time. Nothing but time.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: But from episode 12 to episode 18, just watching those
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: six episodes, just the growth. All I was watching was,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: I said, this is a kid getting his reps in.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? If you have an aptitude
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: for anything, sports, acting, whatever it is, if you get
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: reps in with the right tutelage, You're just going to
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: get better leaps and bounds.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: But where did that character come from? Was that something
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: you used to play with in the house?
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: No, it was just.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: That was your audition.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: It literally was... Tell me what.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Tell me what.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: It called for. The casting breakdown said... The.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Casting breakdown said... Again, it was a different time back then.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: The casting breakdown said Rick Moranis type. They didn't even
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: have a black archetype to compare it to. They said
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Rick Moranis type. And in the weirdest way, the way
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: my brain works, I was excited about that. Because I
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: could never get the tough kid roles. I could never
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: get the kid who.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Chain. You could never be Chain.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I could never be Chain. They would never cast me
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: to be Chain. Exactly right.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: So this is where Urkel was born? Yeah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: So it was an audition where I wanted to get
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: the job so I can get a second Genesis. My
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: parents wouldn't let me get toys or anything expensive outside
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: of my birthday or Christmas. So they told me if
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: I got the job, I can get one of anything
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: that I wanted. And I knew Sega Genesis had just
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: come out in August. The audition came up in September.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: So I was like, I'm a strategic dude.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Right. I was like, this dude is very calculated. That's
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: how he beat you in basketball and ping pong. Yeah,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: very calculated. Now I see what's going on. I see.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: So you were back then. So you came into the audition,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: glasses flooding?
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: No.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: So when I came into the audition at first, my
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: mom couldn't even take me on the audition, which was rare.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: So she had a coworker pick me up from school.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: And this is back in the 90s when you can
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: have anybody pick your kid up from school without, without
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: longer to an act.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: No parental consent.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Nothing.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Just a raggedy car just come swooping up in the
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: freaking car.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm coming to pick up Jaleel White.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Exactly. Who are you? And the only reason I knew
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: it was the truth was because my clothes for the
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: audition were in the backseat of her car. So I
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: knew my mom had given her the clothes.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, you didn't even know the lady?
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: No, I did not even know the lady.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: This was a coworker of my mom. Parents used to
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: have to sneak off of work to take their kids
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: on auditions.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Right, that's true.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: So my mom got in a jam and the audition
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: got pushed up and a co-worker volunteered to do it
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: because the co-worker was trying to become a makeup artist.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I'll take him. Bingo.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: So she wanted to just get on the lot to
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: see if she could maybe meet some people or something, right?
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: We're going to have to call CPS on your mama.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: No, my mama's fine. Hey, man, it was different back then, man.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Good parents would roll their kids around with five, six,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: seven deep in a pickup truck. No seatbelts at all.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Even on the back of a pickup truck.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Remember, listen, remember in the station wagon where you'd be
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: facing this way and the car's going this way with
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: no seatbelt.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: So it's just a different generation of parenting back then, though.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: So I went on the audition, and I actually was
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: upset on the first audition because my.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Dad— Wait, wait, I need specifics.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: What do you have on?
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I have some too tight jeans and a too little
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: shirt that my mom wanted to sell.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: No glasses yet.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm about to explain the glasses that my mom
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: wanted to sell at a yard sale, and she just
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: thought it would look funny on me if it was
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: just too little. It was that simple. And then I
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: wanted the glasses with the tape in the middle from
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Revenge of the Nerds. but my dad is a chronic procrastinator.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: And so he just sent his glasses that he would
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: use to keep particles from flying into his lab when
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: he was grinding. My dad's a dentist.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: So his glasses were just big and just, and just
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: floated on my face. So they were, they were sized
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: for a man and I'm the 12 year old boy. So,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: but again, when you're that age, when that happens, you think, Oh,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: this is the worst thing in the world. I didn't
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: get exactly what I wanted.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: And, um, And I remember just trying to compensate for that,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: I decided to walk into the room as the character.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: And it was just something I thought of. And I
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: was just like, I'm never going to let them meet Jaleel.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I just walked in the room and introduced myself as
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Steve Earle.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: So he created a character.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: On the fly. And my muse for it was Martin
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Short's character, Ed Grimley. Ed Grimley and a little bit.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Of Pee Wee Herman.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: I can see that. And since it was a black
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: kid doing a bad Ed Grimley and Pee Wee Herman,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: it seemed original. And that's what I've always kind of
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: snickered at when it comes to creation. It's like if
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Johnny Depp, uses Keith Richards as his muse for Jack Sparrow.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: That's genius. But if I did something like that, nobody's
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: been thinking that I had the brain power to make
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: the association with another character archetype that's outside of my
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: race and outside of my culture. And quite frankly, I've
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: always been that way. I don't care if it was
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Wes Anderson movies, Quentin Tarantino movies, whatever. I watch everything.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: So I could be inspired by anything. And in that moment,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I was inspired by two actors that you know, don't
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: look like me. And so because of it, he seemed
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: like me. It seemed like it was an original character.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So do you think this character kind of almost put
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you in a box to where you couldn't do any, like.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: More formidable? See, I disagree with that, though.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying it is. I'm asking.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's a fair question.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: That happens a lot, right? When you become this big,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: big character.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: And they can't see you outside of that to where
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you can't do any of the action or the suspense
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: or the more, like, you know, grimy movies.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: That's nonsense for the people who don't understand the way
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: our business works. If Jerry Bruckheimer had ever decided to
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: stick me in any one of his action movies, everybody
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: would have just thought I was an action star now.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: It's about branding. It's about who do you work for,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: you know? And the other thing is when you do
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: something at a high level, then it's not easy to
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: usurp what you've done if you now have to take
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: a step down to continue doing it. So I'm going
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: to give you a good example. Okay. If you play
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: for a championship caliber football team.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: And now you have some contract issues, and now all
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, now you gotta go play for the
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Tennessee Titans. It's gonna be hard for you to get
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: the same level of national exposure, because they're not a
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: championship level team. And you know the difference, as soon
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: as you get there in the locker room, you're like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I can't win here, I can't shine here, I'm just
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: surviving here. So I think that happens more in a
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: lot of actors' careers, no matter what characters you end
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: up playing. And you find out, I was just listening
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: to the cast of Game of Thrones, and they were
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: talking about You know, what an adjustment it was when
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: the show went off the air and people still expecting
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: them to be their characters. But on a deeper level,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: it's like, no, no, no, no. Game of Thrones and
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: HBO is a cultural and professional phenomenon. If you get
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: to work for HBO, you are working for the best
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: in the business, the best DPs, the best cameramen, the
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: best editing, the best everything, right?
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: The best catering.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, so guess what? If the next job that comes
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: your way that may be an opportunity for you to
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: pay your bills and continue your craft comes from CW.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: It's going to look different. It comes from BET. It's
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: going to look different. It's not going to stack up
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: to what HBO does. So ultimately, it was like I
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: worked for some guys who were just, they were all
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: about family television. That's it. If I had gotten an
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: opportunity to get some jobs out of that that were
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: as big, that would have changed things for me. So really,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: to my benefit, time has been on my side.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: So the first season, you were a guest star.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: And you did six episodes, eight episodes?
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: No, I did the entire back nine.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: You did nine, okay.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: You get 13 episodes, and if you get picked up,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: you get a nine.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: What is the buzz like with this new young kid
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: on the show? Because you took the show a total
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: different direction. I'm sure that the producers weren't prepared for it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: You know, when I talk about it now, I just
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: like to talk about it from the standpoint of being naive.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Because it's beautiful.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about when you watched it during a pandemic.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Right. We were like, this is a bad little motherfucker.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: When I'm watching the first season, like I did during pandemic,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: it's an out-of-body experience. It really is. I'm seeing my
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: thought processing when I'm watching myself on screen. But more importantly,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I'm geeked up off of the growth. Because from episode
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: to episode, I can see myself doing, making new choices.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: And also being given new freedoms. I don't think people
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: understand that. People think that, you know, they yell action
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: and you just go out there and do what the
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: hell you want. No, you know, you have to be
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: lucky enough to work for somebody who's giving you the ball.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: They trusting you.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: They trusting you. You know what it's like if somebody,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: you'll play for a team, they'll give you 10 to
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: 12 targets a game.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: That's what we do.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Me and you.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: So if you was getting 10 to 12 targets a game,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I was getting 15 at that time.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: So let me ask you something.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: This new kid comes on.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: I didn't know you were here.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I keep forgetting you. I'm sorry.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: This is Get to the Point with Terrell Lawrence and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Chris Spencer.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. My apologies.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I'll get you back sometime during the show. Was that
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: a problem?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, this kid is coming, I know you,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I just, listen. I know, I know. I just wanna
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: hear it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I just feel, you know, I just feel bad, because
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: after all these years, you know, it's like, I, I.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Let me get the question out. Was it a problem
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: that all of a sudden, this reoccurring character is now
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: starting to steal the limelight from people who were there? And,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: did you feel it, I guess now you're 13 or 14,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: did you feel, when did you start to feel it?
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, you felt it immediately. You know, you felt it
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: immediately on the set that it was a problem.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: But you're 12, 13.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: How are you?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: He's a different 12, 13-year-old. I'm gathering that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: He's a grown-ass man. Yeah, 12 or 13.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: I'm still naive as hell.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's 12, but he's acting 21 mentally.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: How are you processing this and understanding this? And who's
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: helping you two?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: At that age.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: You know, I have all credit. I always give credit
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: to my parents. You know, my father was very protective.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I really, I try to stay away from certain details
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: of that. I really do on purpose because if the
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: more light I shine on it all these years later,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: it actually just makes it harder for them.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: And you don't want to look like.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: And the reality was you don't do 215 episodes if
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: you don't get over certain things. You know, that's a
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: hell of a mark to hit in television. And, you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Reggie in particular is probably one of the greatest screen
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: partners I'm ever going to have in my life. You know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: but it's like any workplace situation, you know, where it's like,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: you know, for me, when you talk about that, you
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: talk about junior high school and high school and a
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: bit of college.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: So how many people can say they even know anybody
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: from middle school and, you know, in high school anymore?
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: And for me, it's almost like being a member of
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: a singing group. It's like once you're a member of
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: a singing group, people expect you to get together and
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: just for old time's sake forever. Right. Do the song
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: for us. Come on, man. You know what I'm saying?
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: It's like new addition.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Exactly. They stuck. They stuck. And those brothers are going
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: to be stepping and singing with each other until the end,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: because that's just the way the world wants to see them.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: And it helps them earn a living. Nobody teaches you
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: that when you leave this job, you guys all must
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: forge new identities for yourselves. But try to do it
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: in a way where you don't have to crap on
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: everything that you've done that's fantastic. So that's where I
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: am really with it. That's great. People don't understand how
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: much I love my former co-stars. And we go out
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: of the way to stay in touch with each other
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: in secret ways because I don't need me and Kelly.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: I'll never call her Laura. I don't need me and
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Kelly and Darius, you know, out having some food and
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: freaking crustaceans or whatever. And that turns into your reunion
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: for your camera phone time. I'm like, no, man, these
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: are old family members getting back together.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I'll call him.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: So let me ask you a question. He is too
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: big to be talking like that. So let me ask
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: you something.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Now that he's doing that, when you're out in public
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: and people do that, the.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Voice, they call you Urkel, does that bother you?
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: So, again, time is on my side. The only people
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: who do that are people over a certain age.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: The only people who do that are people over a
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: certain age. So it used to bother me, but now
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: I get to laugh because millennials don't do that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: But let me ask you something. Is it also our
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: people too?
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: No, it could be anybody.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: It could be anybody.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Our show definitely crossed all racial lines.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the people that come up to
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: you imitating you, calling you the name.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: No! No, but it really is. It's just an age thing.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Gen X is going to stay hitting me with it.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: But millennials, man, God, I love my millennials. Oh, my gosh.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: They just, I don't know how it is that they
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: digested the show differently in syndication, watching the show after school.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: And then they're Google generation, so they look you up. So,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: you know, they only call you Jalil. They only call
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: me by my name. That's dope. You know, I just
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: passed through the airport last week. A brother at TSA,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: he damn near was like, man, I don't care what
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: you put through the machine. Just go through, man.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: You're good.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: He was like, my mama watch your flip side all
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I told you that's my dad's favorite show.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: And so it was like, that means so much to
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: me for a millennial who knows me telling me how
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: much his mother loves my current game show. That, for
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: me now, is a moment that I get a chance
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: to celebrate what it is to have survived in the
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: business as long as I have.
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  Speaker 7: We'll be right back. Five Minutes of Smash. You guys
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: are 200 and how many episodes?
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: 15 episodes. 215 episodes.
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: So now you're unemployed.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: You out in the streets.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: It really wasn't until after Grown Ups that I was unemployed.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, right.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I did Grown Ups in 2001.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: And then I got introduced to the UPN system. And again,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: that's like going from the Philadelphia Eagles to the Titans.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Or would it be going from NFL to CFL?
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Even worse, yes. That's a better analogy.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: NFL to CFL. Anyway, looking at the show, that might
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: be for a job.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: No, because people have to understand, again, that's not crapping
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: on UPN. The shows that were able to do special
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: things on UPN mean something for black culture. That, absolutely.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: But what you don't understand was they were tasked with
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: making those shows with fewer resources than ABC, CBS, NBC.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: The top dogs.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: So if anything, I give more credit to those shows
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: for being as entertaining as they were.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Right, with less.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Octavia Spencer literally just had an interview talking about sharing
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: her quotes with Jessica Chastain. And Jessica Chastain was like, oh,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: my God, like. You poor woman. I didn't know you
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: act for so little.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Viola talked about that too.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, it's levels to this game. And I
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: always like to make sure it's very important that my
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: people understand I am never denigrating what we do. You
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: don't understand that we're asked to do what we do
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: with fewer resources. So I get really excited when I
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: get all the rockets and all the toys and all
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: the things to play with because now I know, okay,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: we can really win.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: So you're auditioning now after Grown Ups. Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Is there an audition out there that humbled you? Oh yeah,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: there's a few of them.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Training day.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: There's a few of them. It was a couple. One,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: I auditioned for Fat Albert when Forrest Whitaker was attached
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: to direct. And I didn't know, but apparently he and
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Bill Cosby were not on the same page about the
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: vision of the movie and he was ultimately removed, but
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: I had to audition for Forrest. And I've never heard
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: more quiet after I was done doing my part. It
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: was an uncomfortable moment for me and Forrest.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Which part did you read for?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Mush Mouth.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: So I went in there kind of doing the voice
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: and everything because I knew I was going to be
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: wearing the thing over my face and whatever. And again,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: that's how much I like, I'm not thinking about image.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking about That character is an iconic character within
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: the framework of Fat Albert. You want to put the
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: thing over my head and it's just my eyes? I
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: don't care. So I went out and I started doing
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: the voice. And Forrest did not like the voice. So
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: that was the first one. That was a real tough audition.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Being Jalil White, very successful, did you feel a little
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: bit of disrespect that you had to audition for Fat Albert? Oh, absolutely.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. Because I'm listening to you going... Found out
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: what should have been given to you. Absolutely.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: But again, how you how you feel and what your
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: reality is about to become are just two different things.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: So I don't you know, I've had to leave my
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: ego at the door decades ago. Right. I think the
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: second one for me was actually this one occurred before
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: it was the Mod Squad. Yeah, the Mod Squad.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: The remake.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: I was really, really geeked about that one. I even
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: called up ABC to get some old episodes I wanted
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: to watch to see what Clarence had done with the role. Link. Yep, exactly.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: I already was actually rocking a little fro when I
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: was at UCLA. I was kind of going through my
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: little rebellion stage, and I always kept my hair the
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: same for that character because I understood as a box-top
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: fade that that would be associated with that character. So
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I did understand that much. So when the season would
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: be over, I would always shave my head, and I
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: wanted to be normal again, right? So I remember I
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: showed up for the audition, and the casting director was
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: walking towards me in the parking lot. And it was like, hey,
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: aren't I supposed to be seeing you? She says, oh,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I'm just not feeling well today. I'm so sorry. I
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: left a message with your agent and I'm just going
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: to have to do it another day. And it was
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: just like, I could tell the way she said it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: It was like, I didn't really want to see you anyway.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: So I damn sure wasn't waiting around and I'm not
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: feeling very well for you to come in. And it
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: was just, you know, it was a humbling moment because
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: when you used to do auditions in person, now everything's
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: a self-tape. You know, you really prepare for your auditions.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: You try to learn your lines. You try to be
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: off book. Off book means you know your dialogue.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: You might have even hired a coach.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: You might have hired a coach. Exactly. So I knew
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: my stuff. I really wanted to give it a shot
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: for the role, but again, I'm understanding about power in
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: the business. I had no idea that Claire Danes actually
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: had a lot of say over who her co-stars were
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: going to be. They had anointed her with that much power,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: and she was adamant that they got a rapper to
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: act alongside her because that was what was trending at
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: the moment was you had to have a hard-edged rapper
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: next to you. Who ended up getting that? It actually
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: ended up being Omar.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I was about to say Omar Epps.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Omar did beat out the rapper. though, with just pure
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: acting ability. So kudos to Omar. Unfortunately, the film was
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: like it got Razzies that year. It performed so poorly
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: at the box office. So that's one of those moments
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: where I know also rejection is God's redirection because when
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: things don't do well in our town, they need people
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: to blame yeah so you know if the movie was
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: bad and now i'm in it now that's where somebody
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: says oh well you know maybe that's one of the
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: reasons why the movie didn't do so damn well why'd
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: you hire urkel to be in it you see what
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: i'm saying yeah and that's where it turns that's where
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: the blame game can start to turn very i use
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: my favorite word that's where it turns into politics and
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: not reality.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Do you want to talk about um You followed me
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: to every school I went to.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Listen, I'm having a great three-year run.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I'm married.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: I got two shows on the air. I haven't had
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: two shows on the air since 2012. People got to
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: understand this business happens in cycles. Totally 90s house for HGTV.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Which just fell out of the sky, to be quite honest.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Flip side, we just did our 520th episode. Yeah. How
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: did that come about? Flipside was amazing because I was,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: so during pandemic, again, man, life got turned upside down, man.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: And I started doing more game shows as a celebrity contestant.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: And I would do 25 words or less. And again,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: I'm strategic and I'm competitive. I was good at the game.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: So I knew if anybody got me, a contestant got
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: me as their celebrity, they had a good chance to
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: actually win the joint. And I ultimately ended up doing
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: 82 episodes of that darn show.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I only did six.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Dang.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: And I had a relationship with the producers where they
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: were like, hey, anytime you even want to come back,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: just let us know. And they had a rate that
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: they paid. And I remember even hitting my rep and
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: was like, will they pay more? And he was like, no,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: the rate is the rate. So that's when God's challenging you.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: But again, I'm like, I'm on airplanes, I'm traveling, and
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: I'll get flight attendants and stuff. He's like, I love
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: you on 25 words of last year's. My mom likes
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: you on that show. You know, you're so good at
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: the game. I'm always so happy when a contestant gets
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: you because I know they got a chance. I've had
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: people tell me that. So that's reinforcement for me that
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: I'm doing something that other people are appreciating at a
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: high level. And now I can't think about money. I
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: got to think about just how this is progressing.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Because the money is going to come.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. Because he already has money.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, stop. All right.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Herculo sold 15 million boxes.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: So we go. So then I get asked to do Pictionary.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: So now I'm on Pictionary How many I think I
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: probably did About 40 Pictionaries.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I did three Now you see the level Of celebrity
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: 25 words That's a fun show I think I've watched
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: it Right It's kind of like Almost like Taboo.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah Really fun show I love the game I still
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: go back and play Even right now When I have
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: time I've done like one day On it last year
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Even though it was The flip side Yeah So I
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: keep guessing On these things I was on Anthony Anderson's
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Tell the Truth Now every game Showing their mama Is
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: calling me to be on their game show. The good
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: news was in the background, I had a friend who
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: used to work at CBS who really turned the producer
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: leaf and he was developing the game himself. But in
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: the process of trying to sell that game, he had
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: all of this footage of me on game shows and
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: performing at a high level. So executives, that's why I
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: always try to make the point where like how people
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: will see you differently. Executives, they don't allow you to
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: move the needle like that. Unless, you know, there's a
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: personal affiliation. You know, if you can show them tape of,
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: you know, you currently doing something that's, you know, that
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: fits in the wheelhouse, that's relevant to what it is
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: they're trying to develop. It's like, oh gosh, this dude's
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: been on tons of game shows. Everybody knows him.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: I booked the job. And what made our deal, though,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: unique was that We are a CBS syndicated show, and
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: our second window is Game Show Network. So because we
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: have two platforms to play on, we get a 180-episode
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: order a year. And that's a heavy lift. It's a
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: heavy lift, but as a father and a husband, I
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: love it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: How many do you guys shoot a day?
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: We do six episodes a day.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Damn!
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: And it's fun. That's the thing.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: It's fun.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: It can be a little tiring at times, you know,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: because I'm only as good as my contestants. So every
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: now and then you get some contestants that just, you know,
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: they kind of suck life out of you. It's a
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: big energy exchange. But when I get good, when I
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: get good contestants, when we have a rare day where
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: we get three winners in one day, you know, the
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: crew is buzzing. Everybody's happy. I love giving away the money.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? I love watching people. But
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: one of my favorite stories on flip sides, it truly
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: one of my favorite stories and it just, it solidified
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: for me. I'm like, man, I'm, I'm where God wants
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: me to be. Um, I'm where God needs me to be. Um, is, uh,
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: we got to the fourth round of the show and
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure how familiar you are with the game show,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: but the fourth round is one question, 10 possible answers.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: You have to guess the top five answers before getting
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: three strikes. We send you on with $ 10, 000. You got that?
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: One question, 10 possible answers, guess the top five. Before
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: you get three strikes, I'll give you $ 10, 000. So we're
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: out there, and this dude and his wife, and we're
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: coming out of break, and his wife starts to cry.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: And so I'm like, oh, man, hold on. I can
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: call makeup for her. And he's like, no, no, she's
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: going to be fine. She's going to be fine. She
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: just knows we're about to win the money. And so
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: he says this and we're coming out of break and
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, okay, keep it together, brother. But,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: you know, I can still get her makeup so she
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: looks right on camera. And makeup came in anyway. And
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: while makeup came in and touched her up, you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: he said, no, you don't understand. We're big fans of
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: yours and we watch this show, you know, constantly. And
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: I told my wife, you know, we had a tough
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: year last year. I said, if we ever get on
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: that show, we're going to win the money. So now
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: that we're here at the bonus round, I already know
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: we're going to win the money.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: So I'm like. All right, welcome back to Flipside. Coming
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: out of break. And the question comes up, and I'll
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: BS you not. They alternate answers, too. It's not just him.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: He has to answer. His wife has to answer. They
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: went one, two, three, four, five. No strikes. They walked
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: out of there with $ 10, 000.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: And he patted me on the butt. He was like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: I told you. I told you. I knew it. There's
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: certain people, man, and people really have to respect that,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: I think, I think there's going to be a spiritual
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: revolution on this planet, especially as we start having more
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: AI stuff and, you know, that really begins to affect
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: humanity for the negative.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: And if we win the midterms.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: You know, but I really do. I just feel like
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of really in touch with people who legitimately
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: can call their shot. I can see them. You know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: I remember even when Kobe came into the league because
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: I was really good friends with Penny at the time.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: And I remember telling Penny, I was like, hey, this
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: is this was different. He's not just out there competing.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: He has his sights set on certain people to take down.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: And you are on that list. And Penny kind of
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: shrugged it off. Not that he wasn't taking him seriously.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. But I'm just saying he just
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: shrugged it off that it was coming from me. That
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: I was telling him that. But it was just like,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: I could see it. I watched Kobe play in a
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: pickup game at UCLA against our 95 championship team. And
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: he walked in that room like an assassin with a scope.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: He didn't talk to nobody. He wouldn't sat in the corner.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: So this was Toby.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: This was Toby, exactly. He had all of these.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, for real. And I'm giving you details.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: I'm giving you pointed details of things that I noticed.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: We were all hooping that day. It was three gyms
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: up in there, three courts up in there.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: And that main court.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: And they weren't playing in the far court. And we
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: saw him setting up. But the action, the intensity started
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: getting so real, it shut down the games. Because I
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: was playing on the middle court. And I was like,
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: are we really going to be girls like this now, dog?
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: And it was like, yeah, we all would have sat
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: like Indian style, like children, and just watched them play.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: But I remember the way he went out there. Like,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: he didn't even care what the teams were. He made
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: a decision to just go stand next to Toby Bailey.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: And it was like, y'all break up these things however
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: you want. I'm checking him.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: You do whatever you want.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: And Jelani McCoy was fresh to the team. And Jelani
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: was a college beast. Jelani used to dunk the ball
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: with a statement. He was trying to take your manhood
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: when he dunked the ball. But watching Kobe play that game,
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: It was the most dominant performance I've ever seen in
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: any pickup situation. It was so aggressive. His body could
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: just take flight in certain ways. And Toby wasn't used
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: to playing with people who could jump like him. Toby
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: could jump through the gym. Toby was Green Lantern, man.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Toby was doing his thing. Shouts out to Toby. So
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: for Toby Bailey to meet Kobe Bryant that way, he
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: was gloving his shit at the top. And then taking
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: it back and then going the other direction and being like,
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: you know what? I'm going to just turn around and
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: reverse dunk in the air just to electrify the room.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: But again, not smiling, not cheesing at nobody. I don't
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: think he ever even came back to play with him
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: anymore because he was treating.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: He made his statement.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Kobe was treating basketball the way Bruce Lee treated fights.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Like Bruce Lee used to travel around the world. I
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: heard somebody bad is here. I'm here to fight him.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: And that's the way he saw basketball. And if you're
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: trying to be the greatest in the sport, I guess
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: you got to see it that way. So, you know,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: I was a guy that was in between where I'm like,
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: I was very competitive and I enjoyed playing sports, but
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: there was also, I love the Magic Johnson smile and
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: the laughter and the roasting and the bagging and, you know,
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: and the camaraderie of it all. Nah, man, at the
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: professional level, it's different. And I'm sure you can identify
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: with that. That's why I had to share that story.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: I knew it was 18 years old. I was like, oh,
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: this dude's a problem.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Chris, you're setting your sights way too low. You need
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: to set your sights high.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I need to pick out some comedians I need to attack.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to tell you.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: You know what was like that?
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Cat Williams was like that when he got in town. Okay.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Cat Williams one time did a show and then I heard,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: he goes, yeah, now I've taken out Alex Thomas, Chris Spencer,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: and somebody else.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, we're on a list? Yes.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: And we had a number.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: That's 33, 34, and 37 or something like that. That's wild.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: And Cat is like, and I can see that out
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: of Cat.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: And I was like, you're thinking about me? Let me
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: tell you something. I've heard... A lot of Kobe stories.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Comedians are like that, though. They ain't like that.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I ain't going to tell you a lie. I've heard
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of Kobe stories. Jaleel, that might have been
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: the best Kobe story I've ever heard. I ain't going
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: to tell you a lot about it. I got, bro,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you telling that story, bro, I got chills. Because I've
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: been in that UCLA gym. I know what those runs
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: are like. I wasn't in there around that time, but
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: it's serious in there.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: But I would even hear your stories. You know, like T.L.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: would pull up on a new team. And he was
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: just like, Freddie Toby. He was like, T.O. walked right
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: into the locker room. He was like, who thinks they
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: the fastest on the team?
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Man, you told us this Kobe story, man. So, L.A., football, basketball.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: We got baseball, too.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Baseball.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Like, how do you decipher? Do you have, like, a
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: favorite sport team that you follow?
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Because now you've got the Chargers, you've got the Rams, football,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: obviously Lakers, Clippers, everybody says Lakers town.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: And then you've got USC, UCLA. Don't even say USC.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Edit that out, please.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, how do you— Say Pepperdine.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I've definitely had to change my stance
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: a little bit.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Because you, being an athlete.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I changed my stance a little bit
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: though because I grew up being a loyalist. Like die
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: hard to the end. So I'm a Showtime Laker fan
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: to the end. You talk about Byron Scott, Michael Cooper,
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: Michael Thompson, Magic Johnson. Like those guys to me are
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: just on a Mount Rushmore above everything.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: Like the idea of them beating the Celtics and Larry
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Bird joining the Lakers the next year would have sent
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: my body into some type of actual like physical trauma shock.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Me too.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Being that you said that, there's this whole debate on
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: whether LeBron should get a statue outside of crypto.com. Being
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: that you said all of that, and there's a lot
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: of shock value, what do you think about that?
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: No, he don't get a statue. No?
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: No.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Not here.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: No, not here.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: He deserves a statue.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: He deserves a statue.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Cleveland?
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: But Cleveland. Miami, maybe? Cleveland. It's either Cleveland or Miami.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: He could actually have both. I think he deserves a
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: statue outside of Miami and Cleveland, to be honest. But
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: not Los Angeles. But not Los Angeles. No.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Unless they put it in a bubble.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: You are starting trouble.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: LeBron, you wouldn't even laugh at that.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: I do not need Richie calling me over that.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, my.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: Rich Paul, we love you.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: It's a joke.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: It's a joke. Yo. I think that's the only way
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: it would be acceptable. Yo.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: If LeBron's statue was in a bubble.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Hey, that might be your best one yet.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Hey, but you know what? That's elite level comedy.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: That's elite level comedy.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Bro, that may be your best one yet.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Man and I handpicked you that's right this dude right
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: now that's crazy so loyalists Lakers so that's your thing you.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Know I love the Lakers and the Showtime Lakers specifically
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: the Kobe and Shaq Lakers I came to appreciate you
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: can you just can't hate on what they were right
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: that's one of the situations also too where you kind
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: of wish they had gotten along better but at the
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: same time it was like what they did was it
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: cemented it's amazing but I have changed man like These players,
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: but you see the way Kawhi Leonard done imploded the Clippers?
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: People behind the scenes, we done known about Uncle Dennis
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: for a long time. People behind the scenes have known
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: him for a long time. My man was wilding, right?
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: So the lack of loyalty on both sides, quite frankly,
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: because I can't speak about athlete loyalty towards an organization
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: without bringing up the fact that these organizations have no
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: loyalty to athletes, all right? That has completely broken down.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: It's every man for themselves and a bottom line concern.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: It's year to year for me. Year to year. Now
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: I just accept it. There was a couple years in
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: there where the Golden State Warriors could do no wrong.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: I love Steph Curry. He's a generational phenomenon. I love
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: the way he lives his life. I love his family.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Everything about the dude's branding is just off the charts.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: And now we've got some new jacks. I'm seeing the
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: San Antonio Spurs coming, right? And in the weirdest way,
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm actually happy they lost. Because I wanted
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: to see New York get it. I love Jalen. I
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: love the storyline that Dallas didn't believe in him enough.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: Made it all about him and his dad. Shout out
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: to Rick. Jalen Brunson is a generational point guard, man,
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: and he's got a lot more to show us. I
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: don't even think he's done. I'm going to say it
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: right now, too. Today, I don't think the Sixers are
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: the best team in the East yet.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: No, just because they got LeBron.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: No, I'm in total agreement with you on that.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: Hey, prove it to me. It looks great on paper,
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: but prove it to me. Beautiful poster.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Beautiful poster. Maybe 10 years ago, he could move that needle.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: But he's not the LeBron of 10 years ago.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: And listen, the Sixers are going to be so fun
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: to watch. I can't wait to watch the civil rights
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: game on Christmas Day where they play against the Lakers.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: It's going to be beautiful. It's going to be amazing.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Is it here?
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Is the game here?
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: The game is here. The game is here. So you
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: got the L.A. Quakers and the Sixers going at it.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: He said the L.A.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Quakers and the Sixers going at it. Wow. It's going
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: to be on the chart.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: It's snow time.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: It's snow time.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Snow time.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: It's snow time. Or slow time.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Listen, because we Hoopers, and I say this with American love,
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: because we Hoopers, we know when five white boys got
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: on the court and just happened to play against five
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: black guys, man they gonna lace them up.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah they gonna down screen back screen you to death
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: pick and pop I mean running UCLA cuts all types
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: of stuff but don't forget we all play ball.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: And we've all been beaten by five white boys before
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: hey listen I.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Used to have dude man shout out to Danny Farmer
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: my favorite white guy from UCLA that I ever played
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: with he was a two sport athlete I would love
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: it when I was playing pick up ball at UCLA
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: and the volleyball players would come in, and Danny was
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: on our volleyball team, because you had six, four white
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: dudes who would jump out of the gym, grab every rebound,
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: set screens, and pass the ball. I would leave games
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: I was in. Who wants to take my spot? When
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: they came walking in, because I knew with me being
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: point guard at that, oh, I'm about to run three,
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: four games, get a body, and go in and out.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: But I guess it's different at the next level, right?
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Are you guys both saying that five white guys can't
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: win an NBA championship?
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: I'm saying I would like to see them try.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: I'm actually saying I would like to see them try.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: That's not happening.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: I think it's good entertainment.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: That's not happening.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Why is it not happening?
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: It's just not.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you this. I'm going to put
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: myself out there. I think the experiment is going to
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: work better than people realize.
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Because of what I'm talking about here.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: If Luka can remain healthy.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: If Luka can remain healthy. And in shape. My issue
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: with Luka, especially though, is that he just don't play
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: no defense and has no desire to.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: I just feel like when it comes to a true
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: championship mentality, you have to get to a point where
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: it's like, I'm stopping somebody. I remember in my mid-20s,
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: I got to the point where I was like, I
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: wanted to play defense. Like, I wanted to shut somebody down.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: And it got out of control, too. Like, I had
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: to apologize to Nick Cannon and Kevin Hart over some
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: stuff because I was just like, I'm like, I didn't
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: even want him to cross half court. But that's the
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: championship mentality that it takes when you're starting to click
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: and you're getting to that point. That's that Kobe shit.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I was just about to say.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: I'm going to do what it takes to win.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: He has to have somebody on that team to hold
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: him accountable.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: I don't even, J.J. Redick is not the guy.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Because you see, he's just going against J.J. Redick already. Like,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: they've already had their little tiffs.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Really? Yeah.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they've already had their little tiffs. Luka's going to
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: be a hard guy to coach because of this defensive
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: thing as well. You know, he can basically get a
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: bucket whenever he wants. But you can't trade buckets to
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: a championship. You've got to stop somebody. Some of Jordan's
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: greatest moments are defensive. Stealing the ball from Karl Malone,
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: you know. Speaking of.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: What is your best memory at a sporting event? You
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: just mentioned it.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I've been to a lot.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: I've been to a lot of sporting events. I was
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: there when Chris Webber called the timeout. I was in
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: New Orleans as a kid sitting next to Jim Boeheim,
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: sitting next to Lute Olsen. Man, he rest in peace.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: I was really good friends with Lute Olsen and Bobby Olsen.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: And I went to UCLA. So ironically, I had a
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: better relationship with Arizona basketball than I had with UCLA basketball.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: I was I was at, what is it?
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: So I'm not, that question is not giving me any justice.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Can it do any justice for you to pick out one?
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, just one is tough. Ironically, too, I think
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: some of your greatest memories are when You didn't have money.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: You were new to it. You know, like going to
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: the garden.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: And watching- When did you ever not have money?
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Stop it, man.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Stop it, man.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: Right. No, I'm saying- You see my face? No.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: I'm like- No, because I'm.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: Telling you, first of all, like my mom and dad,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, they didn't let money dominate our discussion.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: Change our perspective. You know- I have a very specific
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: story about bottle popping that was really me starting to
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: get introduced to money. And that's a separate story where
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: I was like, I bottle popped across from Mariah Carey
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: one night at Light in New York. And Disco, remember Disco? Sure.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: He was the bouncer out front. I didn't know what
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: the hell I was doing. And I remember he said, oh,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: they got us a table. And we were right across
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: from the brat and Mariah Carey. And so the bottle
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: service girl came over. And was like, you know, what
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: do you want to order? And I had a friend
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: of mine that, I could choke this dude. He worked
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: at a record company, so he knew exactly what the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: hell he was leading me into. And he was like, yo,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: you don't drink anything less than Cristal, because you Jaleel White.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, all right, then just give us a
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: bottle of Cristal. All right, cool. And he's like, well,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: do you want anything, any mixers? So I was confused,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: kind of, to be quite honest, with what I was
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: even ordering. But I knew that my mom and dad
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: had mimosas every time we went to Ritz-Carlton for brunch.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: I better sound smart.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: So I had them bring me some orange juice. So
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: I'm sitting there across from Mariah Carey and the Brat
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: mixing Cristal and orange juice. And I'm like, okay, I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: guess this is cool. And then all of a sudden
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: we had a table full of girls. Gang of girls,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: gang of Puerto Rican chicks. Life is good this night.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: And my man just keeps wiggling at me the bottle
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: when it's empty. And so we went through about three bottles.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, cool.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: We left.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: And the bill was this way. Everyone's going to laugh
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: at this. The bill was $ 900. It sounds like nothing now, right?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: The bill was at the time, you're talking about you.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: I was 21 at the time. You're talking about 20
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: something years ago. The bill was $ 900. I looked at
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: the bill and I was like, I didn't want to
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: ask her about the bill because I clearly knew we
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: had done this. But instead I hit her with, is
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: your tip included in this? And she's like, no, it's not.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: Got it. So I gave her $ 1, 100, got up out
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: of there. I was the only one in my car.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: Everybody had left. I'm riding back to my hotel by myself, right?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: No Puerto Rican's?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: Didn't close, no deals. Didn't close, no deals, right? And
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: I'm just feeling horrible. I'm just going home. So I
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: called home. And like I said, I'm like, I'm 21.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: I called home and I called my dad. My dad
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: answered the phone. And I was like, Dad, it's going
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: to be $ 1, 100 on the Amex this month. I just
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: wanted to let you know before it even happens. And
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: my dad was like, okay, son. I was like, it's cool.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: He was like, drop in the bucket, son.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: You're fine. You're fine.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: You having fun out there?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: You being safe?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Cool.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: All right, great.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: Hang up the phone with him. I'm still not feeling
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: good about that because I've never spent $ 1, 100 like that
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: just in a whop. And I got no girls or
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: anything to show for it. No Puerto Ricans. No, the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: whole Puerto Ricans are gone. The parade is over. So
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: literally like 30 seconds after I hung up with my dad,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: my mom calls back. Hey. Your daddy told me what
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: you did. Don't let that shit happen again while you're
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: out there. So in the weirdest way, it was like psychologically,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: I was asking my mom to reprimand me. I was
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: giving her permission to reprimand me. So that's where I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: always stood when it came to dealing with money. So
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: going back to answer your question, though, about sporting events,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: et cetera, I'm like, I was given tickets by Bruce
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: Smith to see– the bills play the, the Dallas Cowboys,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: the year Michael Jackson performed at the Rose Bowl.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: And I didn't even think that I could go to
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: the Superbowl, but I had sent Bruce Smith a, a,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: an Urkel doll and with the hopes that he would
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: send me back his Jersey. And he and Thurman Thomas
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: sent me back their signed jerseys. So when they came
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: and they stayed downtown LA, they were nice enough to
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: be like, they had, um, I think I still remember
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: that guy's name. Um, I won't try it, though. But
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: I remember the publicity person for the Bills' name invited
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: me down to the team hotel to meet the team
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: the night before the game. And he was like, yo, so,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: you know, you coming to the game tomorrow? And I
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: was just like, my dad and I are like, no, man,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: we just came down here to meet you. And he
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: was like, what? Set him up with some tickets. And
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: it was just like that. Just set us up with
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: two tickets and, you know, the 40-yard line. And, of course,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: the Bills lost horribly that game, right? It was like
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: 52 to like 10 or something like that. But, you know,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: my dad and I, we keep those tickets to this day.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: My dad keeps one ticket. I keep the other ticket.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: You know, you see the price on there. I think
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: the ticket said $ 400.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Bruce Smith. Bruce Smith. Fellow Hall of Famer.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: Man, Bruce Smith, he was such a class act for that.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: So that's what I mean when I'm saying not having
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: any money. Here I am going to meet Bruce Smith.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: And I'm thinking this is the highlight of my weekend.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: I'm not even in my mind conceptualizing. I'm famous enough
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: to ask somebody to help me go to this game,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: let alone for free.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: You mentioned something earlier, which basically showed us the difference
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: between your mom and your dad.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Which one are you closer.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: To as a parent?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: At this point, you know... Not.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Closer to as a parent, but how do you parent?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, how do I parent? I'm definitely right down the middle.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: I'm right down the middle. Because I go out of
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: my way to make sure that there are ways where
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not like my mom. And that's not an insult
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: to her. It's just she understands that she did a
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: lot of heavy-handed stuff that she didn't need to.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Do with me.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: She didn't. My dad had a better... um, he had
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: a better bead on appealing to my logic. Like, you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: my mom would just be like, my mom was because
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: I said so. So like, I always had a curfew, right?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: And I don't even understand parents today who just don't,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: their kids don't have curfews. It boggles the mind, right? And, um,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: So when I got to about my senior year in
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: high school, and now I'm going into college, that's all
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: happening in one year.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: By the way, he went to my old high school
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: and my old college.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: That's wild, right?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: South Pasadena Tigers, UCLA.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: That's wild that we have that in common.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: And our kids went to the same junior high school
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: and high school.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: That's why.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: So safe to say he's trying to be like Chris.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Everybody's trying to be like Chris.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Everybody's trying to be like Chris.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: You know how brothers say, I'm trying to get like you.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to get like.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: You, playboy.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to get like you, playboy. But you forget
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying because you're so funny.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: You're down the middle.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Your dad.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: I'm down the middle. So my dad would tell me
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: when I got to my senior year, my curfew was
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: still midnight. And I'm like, you know. Dad, you know,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: how come I can't get a one o'clock curfew? Because
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: what was happening was I wanted to go to a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: 10 o'clock movie or 10, 15 movie with a girl
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: or with some peoples. And now I'm looking at the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: clock because there's no Uber back then. I have to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: race home from wherever I am and drive unsafely, you know,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: because your parents are waiting at the door back then.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: My daughter is different now. My daughter has Uber. My
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: daughter can text me. You know, we have a different
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: rapport where I'm just kind of like, I just need
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: to know where you are. And what my dad understood
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: was he said, OK, son, where what are you not
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: able to do? past the hour of 12 o'clock that
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: I can help you with. That you can't do in
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: between 10 and 12. So he's trying to have this
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: logical conversation. My mama's sitting in the background like, just huffing, like,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: we said so, and that should just be the end
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: of it. And I'm like, Dad, you know, I want
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: to go to a 10 o'clock movie. Like, that's ridiculous.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: I can't go to a 10 o'clock movie. He's like, okay.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: So you go to a 10 o'clock movie, but do
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: you understand, you and your mother and I, we're not
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: getting any rest until you get home safely. And it
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, I never really thought about that. He
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: was like, do you think that we just sleep in here?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: We're just snoring while you out at one, two o'clock
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: in the morning and you just started driving. But, you know,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: but so long ago. So it was like, OK. So
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: once he gave me that, he said, OK, now where
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: do you want to go? Well, you know, what if
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: I want to go to somebody's house and we want
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: to like, you know, order a pizza or something like that? OK, well,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: all right. Well, if you go to somebody's house, can
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: you are their parents going to be there?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Can you?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: Can you can you call us from that house? Bottom line,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: he gave me a lot of parameters and check downs
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: of things to do after 12 o'clock. And suddenly my
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: my curfew really became one one thirty in the morning.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: And really what you don't realize when you that age
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: is ain't no place for you to be.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Past 1 o'clock in the morning.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: Especially in L.A. You know, you ain't going to the club.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: And if you are going to the club, it's going
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: to end at 2 o'clock. Okay? Only thing open, and
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: people are going to be mad at me for saying this,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: only thing open after 2 o'clock in the morning is
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: some legs.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Gas station and legs.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Gas station and legs.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: I like that. Gas station and legs. Gas station and
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: some legs.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Gas station and legs, boy.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: Once we started getting on the same logical train, I
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: was able to actually understand what his concerns were. So
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: now as a parent, I think that way when I'm
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: dealing with my daughter. And the other thing I try
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: not to do is I try not to parent my
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: daughter from the perspective of boys can do this and
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: girls can do that. That's dead. That's not right. She's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: a responsible kid. She's got an awesome track record. She
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: only has one particular night that was just like, it drove.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Me to tears.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: But she fixed it quick. She just came in. And
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not even going to say. She came in. And
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: thank God, my wife.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Took care of it.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: My wife was just like, upstairs. I didn't want to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: look at her.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: We've all been there, brother.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: I thank my wife so much because she just, well,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: my wife had done all that stuff. So when she
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: came in that way, my wife literally just was like,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: it was on autopilot.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: She was like, I got this.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: I got this. You go upstairs, and even the next morning,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't even have a conversation with her. At breakfast,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: she was like, you can't come in like that. Like,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: you know, we're actually not even mad that you got
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: like that. But the idea that you think you can
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: come in here like that? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: That's disrespectful.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Man, we have a segment called Four Downs.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: Four Downs.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Four Downs.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: What do I got four downs to do?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Take us home. Clothes us out.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You can come in however
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: you want. Four Downs to get to the end zone.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Jaleel White.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: First down, most underrated actor you've ever worked with.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Darius McCreary.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: Hilarious.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: What up, D?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: Most underrated actor.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: First of all, let me, this is your question.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know. No, Darius paid me to shout him out.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: That I've ever worked with.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: You said never or you have worked with? Ever, yeah.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Most underrated actor, yeah, you've ever worked with.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: Clifton Powell. Ooh, shout out to Clifton Powell. Clifton.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: Clifton Powell's a bad boy.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: That's a prime example when people ask me about typecasting questions.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: Clifton Powell has been typecast as the bad guy. And
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: this is a dude with an incredible range who can
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: play anything. memorized, dense monologue. And, you know, I like
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: to give flowers to cats like that. Because if you
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: just go check his IMDB, you'll really realize just how
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: many productions that he's contributed to.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: No, I told him, I said, you're the only person
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: that's played Martin Luther King and Rodney King.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: Come on, man. Come on, man.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: My first job in Hollywood. Wow.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: The Winans video, go check this out.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: It's time to make a change.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's a great question, T.L., because, again, I'm
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: sure you even know, there's superstar athletes and then there's
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: dudes out there that just didn't get enough time on
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: the field.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Freddie would be one of those guys.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Freddie would definitely put himself in that category.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: He would put himself in the category.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: All right, second down.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: Hey, you didn't score, but, I mean, you almost got
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: in there. Second down, what's a role you would love
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: to play?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: I'd love to see a bad guy that you didn't
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: see coming at you. Nothing cliche. Just like when the
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: turn happens, it's like Chicken Man from Breaking Bad.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: You know, the level that Giancarlo Esposito found with that
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: character is iconic. It was a very un-cliche role. See,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: that's what people don't understand. It was an un-cliche role
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: for a black man. And so that's why the role
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: is so iconic, because normally that role only go on
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: to a white guy. But for a black man to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: be the owner of all these chicken joints and have
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: this sinister side personality, we rarely get those opportunities to
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: play a role that's that multidimensional.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Man, third, I mean, this question was already asked. written
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: it was already written on here but you may have
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: already answered it what it is with the buffalo bills
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: tickets but the question is if you could have any
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: piece of sports memorabilia what would it be.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: Oh um i mean it's an easy question but the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: problem is i wouldn't want it because it means somebody
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: else had to give it up for a bad life
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: reason that's a super bowl right I feel bad when
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: I see Super Bowl rings get on the market because
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: I know typically that means the guys probably hit hard times.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: But what if you were with the Rams organization and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: you're down in the field and you're like, Jillian, we're
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: going to get you a ring.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: Well, it would have to be the Chargers. I'm very biased.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Chargers?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What?
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: Have you even been to San Diego? We just got
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: here Thursday. Chargers? I love it. I take it on
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: the chair, but I'm loyal to my wife. Chargers? Is
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: she from down there?
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: She's affiliated with the Chargers.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: Is her maiden name Fouts?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: Chargers?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: What? Bro, I didn't even expect that. I did not
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: see that.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're not going to see it.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: You just lost yards. It's fourth and 12.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: I'll take it. You just lost yards.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: I'll take another chance. I'll take another chance.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you went from third and short to now it's
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: fourth and long.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: Fourth and long.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: All right, fourth and long. We know what Freddie did
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: with fourth and long.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Fourth and 26.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: Fourth and 26, let's go.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Fourth down.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: If you could do a scene with any actor or actress,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: who would it be?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: What year is it?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: It's on you. What year is it?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: Chris, you understand what I'm saying. What year is it?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: Are we talking about present day? Are we talking about 1995, 1996, 2000?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: What year is it?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: 90s.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: I was going to say 90s.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, 90s. Oh, man.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: That's easy. Janet Jackson.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Janet Jackson.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: I'm getting cast in Poetic Justice.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: That's Joe Torre or Tupac?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: Joe Torre is out.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: Joe Torre is out.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: Joe Torre, you're going to be doing this? I want
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: to be in the fight scene with Joe and Tupac.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: Brushing my hair. Sorry, Joe, you out.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: You out.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: I got to brush now.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Janet, huh?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Was Janet always your crush?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: Janet was my childhood crush in a major way. I
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: had a great moment with Janet. They sat me next
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: to her at the Starlight Foundation.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: And....
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: And I was at a table with, shoot, man, Heather Locklear,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: Tommy Lee Jones, Magic was right over here. And they
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: intentionally sat me next to Janet. And I remember they
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: brought us our food and, you know, chicken dinner spot.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: And she wouldn't touch her plate. And I was like, well,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: it's like, you're not eating your food. And she's like, no,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: I don't eat animals. I was like, ah, neither do I.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Ah, we have something in common.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: What are you doing tomorrow night?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: I can now stay out till 1.30.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: I didn't touch my freaking food. I waited until we
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: went to McDonald's on.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: The way home. One of the greatest jokes ever, Chris
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: Rock said, when Janet was with Jermaine Dupri. He said
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: when he found out, that meant he could have had
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: a chance.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: We all reacted the same way.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: He said that's like looking in the paper and reading,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: big sale yesterday.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: That's a good joke.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Chris Rock's a genius.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: That's a good joke. Trust me, we all felt the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: same way when Jermaine got with her.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: We were just like, wait a minute.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: And then you started understanding Jermaine and seeing how smooth
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: he is. And you're like, okay, that's what it is.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he got to that mental side.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Well, man, Jalil, thank you for coming, man. Thank you. Man,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: you brought some stories today, bro. Yes, you did. You
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: brought some heat.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it, man.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Come on, man.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: As long as I've known you guys, man, this is fun.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: This is conversational. Go ahead, chop it up how you
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: need to. I will say this, though. The offer stands.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: I'm here to offer you a rematch. If you can
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: find a room big enough to accommodate the ping pong table.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: Who's the best ping pong celebrity you've played with?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: Ooh.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: Because I can tell you two nice ones. Have you
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: played with Chris Paul?
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: No, I would love to play against Chris Paul.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: And then Jamie Foxx.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: Can you put me on with Chris Paul right now?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: Put me on with Chris Paul right now. Jamie, nice.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: Jamie's really good. Jamie has terrific defense. And he's, again,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: Jamie is a strategic Sagittarian as well. So he's going
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: to play you in a way. to wait for you
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: to make the mistake.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's how you got to play. That's how
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: you Sagittarius.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: My daughters are Sagittarius. That's how she thinks.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Tell us what you got going on, what you're building,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: and tell the people where they can find you.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: Hey, man, listen. People can check me out on Flipside.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: That's my game show. It comes on every day in
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: every major market. Check your local listings or game show network.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: GSN 180 episodes.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: Y'all and social media you know what come on the
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: show if you can you know go online and apply
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: man come see if you can get the $ 10, 000 I've
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: also got Totally 90's House which is a home renovation
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: show competition show on HGTV I love HGTV and dude
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: the HGTV fans are second only to Marvel fans like
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: the people who watch that network are watching rabidly that's
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: my favorite channel that's my wife's favorite channel I love
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: it I love hosting the show it's a fun network
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: to work for So those are my two main projects
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: right now. I'm always going to have a little perp
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: on me for anybody who needs that.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: Tell people about that.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: You know, a little purple urkel. What's that?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: What's going on?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: Urkel is a drug dealer.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: I am not. First of all, it's Jalil, okay? No,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about this. No, but I have to say that.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: I have to make the distinction.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, yes.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: Purple urkel is a strain that was introduced to the
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: cannabis community in the early 2000s. And I had nothing
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: to do with it. But to understand the cannabis community
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: a little bit better, and I needed to do the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: deep dive and understand, it's like the wine community. An
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: OG or gelatos, whatever, those are like varietals of wine.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: Cab or Pinot Noir. So this is a varietal. A
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: strain is a varietal. And Purple Urkel is probably one
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: of the most well-known strains throughout the industry. So I
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: started doing my due diligence, and I was like, you
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: know what? I'll be damned if that's made, and I'm
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: going to make the best of it. So I'd literally
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: make the best of it.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you why I know it's good. Purple Urkel.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: We were out with our friend, a mutual friend in
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: Yellow Springs.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: This got THC in it?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: That's drugs. Oh, I don't need this.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: That's the real shit.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I don't need this.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: We were out with our friends, and everybody was talking about,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: you know, what they was going to smoke.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: And it was like, no, we need that purple.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: Go ahead and take that so he understands, though. He'll learn.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: He'll learn.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Purple Urkel.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: Listen, now let me tell you something. I'm a dude
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: who grew up not drinking in college.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: No, with your mom and your daddy, I'm already, no,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: you ain't got to tell me that.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't have a sip of liquor throughout my entire
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: college experience. Me either.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't until I got to college. That was the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: first time I had like a Coke 45, a beer. Right? Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: And the first time I smoked anything, I was 33
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: years old going through child custody hell. And I just
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: happened to be with some dudes that I know in Aspen.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: And to discover that the white guys had the best
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: of this stuff. Hydro grown. I can still taste that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: steak I had in Aspen as a result of smoking
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: that dang doobie. And I started doing my deep dive.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: So I'm really the kind of person where I love
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: the best of anything. You know what I'm saying? I
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: like the best steak. I love the best. If I'm
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: going to drink, I don't drink casually. I like I
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: love a Pappy Van Winkle, a McAllen, something that's just like, oh, oh,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: my gosh, I can't believe this is going down this smooth.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: And that right there is in the caliber of everything
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: that I just mentioned.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the best podcast. He does the best of everything.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: I only do the best of everything.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: The best podcast. That's why we love you. I like that, bro.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: Come on, man.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: How often do you smoke?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: I'd say probably maybe about three or four times a month.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, so not that often.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: No, it is.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Not that often.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: No, it's a social thing. It's an enhancer. He's not
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: a user. It's a make a member. Come on, you
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: know who we kicking with. Like, when we with him
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: and this goes up.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: What happens for the evening?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: And that person we're talking about, you guys, is Sam Jackson.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, that's our show.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Please subscribe, like, share, at GTTP pod. And if you're
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: watching on YouTube, at GTTP podcast.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: And let me tell you something, my man still got hands.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: He's some big ass hands.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: He's a mitt.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: You can pawn my album cover.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: Purple Urkel.