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The Kenny Report | 8 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight the election campaign gets real. The two contenders prepare
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  Speaker 2: to face off for the first time in just over
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  Speaker 2: two hours from now.
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  Speaker 1: Right here on Sky News, the.
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister is believed to be preparing with former Victorian
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  Speaker 2: Premier Daniel Andrews as his sparring partner, and Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 2: invites Andrews to join the campaign. In the United States,
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is reveling in the global economic chaos that
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  Speaker 2: he's caused. I'll cross to Christen Tate and Israeli Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's has joined Trump at the White House.
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  Speaker 2: As pressure mounts on Iran, I'll talk to senior Israeli
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  Speaker 2: commentator and author Ehud Yari. Also on the campaign Shenanigan's,
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  Speaker 2: Tim Blair, Suzi O'Brien and Stephen Senna Tiempo.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The first news of the day, the mildly reassuring news
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  Speaker 2: of the day, is that our stock market bounced back
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  Speaker 2: from yesterday's losses, as did Japan's. Global markets are still
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  Speaker 2: sharply down, of course, uncertainty is rife, but after the
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  Speaker 2: initial shock of Donald Trump's widespread tariffs on US imports.
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  Speaker 1: The world is.
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  Speaker 2: Now looking at how to deal with this in the
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  Speaker 2: medium term. Problem is not over, of course, but there's
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  Speaker 2: a little more calm, and yet the prospects of recession
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  Speaker 2: still loom large and the deeply indebted high spending state
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  Speaker 2: that the Labor Party has put out budget in for
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  Speaker 2: the foreseeable future. While that leaves Australia more vulnerable to
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  Speaker 2: these global pressures than ever. But while the main target
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  Speaker 2: of Trump's trade and tariff's fight back, China is giving
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  Speaker 2: no ground and promising to retaliate with increased tariffs itself.
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  Speaker 1: Other countries are rolling over.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin net Yahoo in the White House.
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  Speaker 3: Will the trade deficit with the United States? We intend
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  Speaker 3: to do it very quickly. We think it's the right
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  Speaker 3: thing to do, and we're going to also eliminate trade barriers.
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  Speaker 2: Now, when the focus is on restoring trade balance with
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  Speaker 2: the US removing trade deficits for the US, it only
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  Speaker 2: makes Australia's treatment seem even more bizarre. The US has
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  Speaker 2: a trade surplus with US that's exactly what it wants.
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  Speaker 2: It sells US far more stuff than we sell it
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  Speaker 2: and we have a free trade agreement too, or we
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  Speaker 2: did no tariffs between our two countries over the past
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  Speaker 2: twenty years until last week. So why we've been targeted
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  Speaker 2: with a ten percent tariff is anyone's guess, except, of course,
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  Speaker 2: pressure from US cattle producers angry that our biosecurity rules
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  Speaker 2: keep US beef out of Australia because of the risk
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  Speaker 2: of mad cow disease.
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  Speaker 4: The cattle producers, and you're saying it is about time
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  Speaker 4: one of the countries that you just showed on that
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  Speaker 4: slip before ecumend Australia. Australias sold twenty nine billion dollars
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  Speaker 4: worth of beef in the United States and we haven't
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  Speaker 4: been able to sell one hamburger in Australia because of.
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  Speaker 1: Very one hamburger. Look, if this is the only real.
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  Speaker 2: Issue in Australia's trade spat with the US, then it
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  Speaker 2: should be settled. It shouldn't be a difficult argument, but
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  Speaker 2: of course it's unlikely to be resolved in.
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  Speaker 1: The middle of an election campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, the campaign focus will be on economic management in
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  Speaker 2: these perilous times. The Prime Minister seems to think we've
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  Speaker 2: got it pretty good here and.
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  Speaker 5: I not as well that as well as economic growth occurring,
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  Speaker 5: unemployment being low, wages going up, inflation going down, and
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  Speaker 5: interest rates starting to fall. In addition to all of that,
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  Speaker 5: what we saw in the latest figures the last quarter
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  Speaker 5: was the capita incomes as well are growing in real terms.
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  Speaker 5: We have turned a corner.
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  Speaker 1: We've turned the corner.
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  Speaker 2: Power prices at record levels despite your promise to cut
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  Speaker 2: them by two hundred and seventy five dollars a year,
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  Speaker 2: most of the past three years spent in per capita
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  Speaker 2: recession in this country, and debt about to hit a
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  Speaker 2: trillion dollars a thousand billion dollars. We've turned the corner,
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  Speaker 2: all right, and it looks like we're going the wrong way.
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  Speaker 2: What might happen, however, is our plunging dollar could see
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  Speaker 2: petrol prices rise, and that might make Peter Dutton's election
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  Speaker 2: promise to have PETROLX size increasingly attractive. We'll see, no
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  Speaker 2: doubt the economy needs to be front and center of
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  Speaker 2: the campaign now, which of course is just the way
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  Speaker 2: it should be.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the top of the program, Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi and Peter Dutton will go head to head in
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  Speaker 2: the sky News People's Forum tonight in Western Sydney, the
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  Speaker 2: first debate of the campaign and a major opportunity for
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  Speaker 2: the opposition leader to build some momentum. The Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: was out and about this morning and had his afternoon
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  Speaker 2: cleared for debate preparation. He didn't respond to reports that
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  Speaker 2: former Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews would be helping out in
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  Speaker 2: the rehearsals by playing the opposition leader's role.
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  Speaker 6: How's the prep been going and is it true that
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  Speaker 6: is Dan Andrews channeling Peter Dutton to help you.
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  Speaker 5: I look forward to discussing not just with Peter Dutton,
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  Speaker 5: but importantly as well discussing with the people who will
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  Speaker 5: come along and ask questions. I agreed to this and
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  Speaker 5: we put this forward as the first debate because I
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  Speaker 5: believe that Sky, particularly during the days a plays a
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  Speaker 5: role in informing the Australian public.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he likes it, particularly during the day. But we
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  Speaker 2: like to sort things out for you here at dusk
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  Speaker 2: and into the dark. No confirmation there about Daniel Andrew's
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  Speaker 2: involvement though, but no denial. I guess we'll know tonight
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  Speaker 2: if we hear any lines like these.
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  Speaker 1: From Albow we'll know where he got them.
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  Speaker 7: Exercise is just that it's not an opportunity for seven
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  Speaker 7: families to catch up in the park. There will be
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  Speaker 7: no removal of masks to consume alcohol outdoors playgrounds, basketball courts,
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  Speaker 7: skate parks and exercise equipment, despite the fact that it's
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  Speaker 7: outdoors will be closed.
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  Speaker 8: The whole bunch of.
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  Speaker 7: People down the right back bridge last night who thought
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  Speaker 7: the best thing to do is to go and watch
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  Speaker 7: the sunset.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a beautiful sunset.
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  Speaker 7: That's not in the spirit or in the letter of
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  Speaker 7: these rules. That doesn't mean you can have all your
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  Speaker 7: mates around to home and get on the beers.
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  Speaker 9: That's not appropriate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably more appropriate to get on the beers after
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  Speaker 2: the debate. As for the real Peter Dutton, he hopes
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  Speaker 2: that the Andrews speculation is accurate.
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  Speaker 10: I hope that Daniel Andrews is out publicly with the
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  Speaker 10: Prime Minister if it's good enough for him to tell
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  Speaker 10: the Prime Minister how we should run the debate and
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  Speaker 10: how he should run the economy and how good he
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  Speaker 10: did in Victoria. I'd love to see Daniel Andrews out
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  Speaker 10: with the Prime Minister every day between now and the election,
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  Speaker 10: and if there's a spare seat there as well, why
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  Speaker 10: not just cider Ellen to cider Ellen. Because if you
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  Speaker 10: want a snapshot of what economic management looks like under labor,
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  Speaker 10: go no further than looking what's happening in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that invitation, of course, is presuming that Daniel Andrews
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  Speaker 2: is allowed to cross state borders these days.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he has to to get a game of golf
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  Speaker 1: in now.
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  Speaker 2: As for what the one hundred undecided voters will ask
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  Speaker 2: the leaders tonight, of course, we simply don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It could be anything.
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  Speaker 2: If you're undecided at this stage, you're unlikely to be
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  Speaker 2: the most engaged voter, and you're unlikely to really comprehend
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  Speaker 2: what labor has done to this joint. But here's the
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  Speaker 2: key question I'd like to see addressed. Are we better
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  Speaker 2: or worse off after three years of Albaniasi labor government.
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  Speaker 2: Has labor secured power and cut electricity prices as it
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  Speaker 2: promised to do or has it made things worse? Is
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  Speaker 2: labor curbing government spending, public service numbers.
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  Speaker 1: And union power.
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  Speaker 2: Have they got the country's security, defense and immigration under control?
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  Speaker 2: And have they taken responsibility? Why won't they show up
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  Speaker 2: for interviews here on Sky after dusk. And finally, would
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  Speaker 2: you prefer seventy cents a day less tax in July
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six July next year under the Labor Plan?
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  Speaker 2: What would you like the Liberals tax cut of twenty
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  Speaker 2: five cents eliter off your fuel immediately. Now, this issue
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  Speaker 2: of responsibility is a theme that I'm surprised the Coalition
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  Speaker 2: campaign hasn't really focused on yet. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 2: a key characteristic of this Prime minister, isn't it. He
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  Speaker 2: always finds someone else to blame, or claims ignorance or
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  Speaker 2: Butck passes. It doesn't says anything except accepting responsibility.
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  Speaker 5: I've been traveling in the car so I haven't been
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  Speaker 5: advised about that. Of course, so state bail schemes are
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  Speaker 5: run by the states. Well, the Commonwealth Grant's Commission operates
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  Speaker 5: at arms length from the government, the Reserve being Australia
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  Speaker 5: and independent body, and the Government doesn't direct them on
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  Speaker 5: what to do. This is not my proposal. This is
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  Speaker 5: the Australian People's proposal. State and churchary governments are responsible
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  Speaker 5: primarily for those issues. It's reputexas modeling, it's reputexas modeling.
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  Speaker 5: It's reputexas modeling from that time. It's reputexas modeling based
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  Speaker 5: upon the circumstances at that time. I have not been
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  Speaker 5: informed about that show, but so i'll answer it when
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  Speaker 5: I have a briefing.
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  Speaker 2: That's this Prime minister, that's his key characteristic and that's
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  Speaker 2: why I selected this as his theme song.
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  Speaker 11: A jew.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't fall off that stage, by the way you
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  Speaker 2: heard him. He said, he did not fall off that stage.
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  Speaker 1: Well tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, it is a chance for undecided voters and
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  Speaker 2: the opposition leader to try to sheet home some of
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  Speaker 2: that responsibility in the end, making the criticism stick, pointing
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  Speaker 2: out the facts, making the government accountable. Well, that is
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  Speaker 2: the responsibility of the opposition leader. The policy focus for
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  Speaker 2: today from the government was on mental health, more money
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  Speaker 2: for mental health, and they had a heavy hitter from
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  Speaker 2: the field to endorse their policy. But he complimented the
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  Speaker 2: coalition too when he was asked to join Labour's baseless
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  Speaker 2: scare campaign about potential health cuts.
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  Speaker 12: Do you think they're going to cut mental health spending?
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  Speaker 11: I know, I don't think they will. I think the
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  Speaker 11: problems has already mentioned that this is generally speaking a
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  Speaker 11: bipartisan achievement.
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  Speaker 1: Of our country.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, money's flowing freely as people talk about a youth
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  Speaker 2: mental health crisis.
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  Speaker 1: So come back to that in a moment.
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  Speaker 2: But first, Albanese's event was interrupted by a young climate protester.
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  Speaker 5: Public service.
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  Speaker 1: And I haven't been here.
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  Speaker 2: We go again, hay Labor, which of course used to
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  Speaker 2: be highly amused by protesters turning up at coalition events.
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  Speaker 1: It used to encourage that sort of disruption.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now it's getting the same treatment, and it's usually
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  Speaker 2: from these climate alarmists.
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  Speaker 1: There was another one last week con cap company might
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  Speaker 1: need on the line.
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  Speaker 13: Children.
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  Speaker 2: And my point is this, is it any wonder you
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  Speaker 2: get nutters making wildliermotive claims about climate change and getting
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  Speaker 2: so agitated about it when Labor itself fuels their climate alarmism.
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  Speaker 2: If Labor says there's a climate emergency every day for years,
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  Speaker 2: if they link every natural disaster the sort we've always
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  Speaker 2: had and always will have, if they link those events
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  Speaker 2: to some emerging climate catastrophe, well then some people might
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  Speaker 2: actually start to believe this nonsense.
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  Speaker 5: What we know the science tells us that there would
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  Speaker 5: be more extreme weather events, they would be more frequent
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  Speaker 5: and they'd be more intense.
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  Speaker 14: They have been warning Australia and Australian governments of the
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  Speaker 14: emerging natural disaster crisis as crises as a direct result
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  Speaker 14: of climate change.
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  Speaker 15: We need to work together to make sure that we
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  Speaker 15: address this climate emergency.
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  Speaker 5: Climate change is having an impact on our weather patterns.
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  Speaker 5: The world's hottest years.
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  Speaker 16: Have been.
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  Speaker 5: Increasingly from year to year.
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  Speaker 14: Natural disasters are increasingly frequent, more intense, and natural disasters
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  Speaker 14: are increasingly less natural.
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  Speaker 5: People battling floods, bushfires, drought and the long hard work
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  Speaker 5: of rebuilding. These are reminders of the risks that extreme
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  Speaker 5: weather and climate change present to our country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Labour spreads these wild fears.
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  Speaker 2: They refuse to be factual and sensible and moderate about this,
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  Speaker 2: and they do it all for political reasons. And now
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  Speaker 2: they get protesters blowing back because if bushfires and floods
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  Speaker 2: and cyclones are really worse than ever, they're not, by
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  Speaker 2: the way the science, the facts say they're not. But
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  Speaker 2: if Labor and the Greens and the ABC and others
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  Speaker 2: keep telling people they are, then young people will understandably
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  Speaker 2: get very concerned, They'll be frightened, and they'll want more action.
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  Speaker 2: I mean if you tell them the planet is in
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  Speaker 2: peril and windmills and electric cars can save it, they
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  Speaker 2: actually might believe you. And worse than triggering protests and
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  Speaker 2: interrupting their election events, this actually triggers real anxiety and trauma.
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  Speaker 2: And that brings me back to mental health. Listen to
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  Speaker 2: Professor Patrick McGorry on the causes.
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  Speaker 11: Student debt, housing costs, climate change. All of these mega
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  Speaker 11: trends are conspiring to make the lives and futures of
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  Speaker 11: young people much more challenging and pessimistic.
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  Speaker 2: Climate change, Yeah, the green left alarmism on climate is
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  Speaker 2: actually helping to generate mental health issues. No one who
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  Speaker 2: knows the facts would be panicked, But if you believed
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  Speaker 2: what labor and the Greens tell you, you'd be depressed,
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  Speaker 2: all right. And then there's the housing crisis and the
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  Speaker 2: economic issues here. There's a lot of unnecessary worry being
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  Speaker 2: created out there, especially for young people. So mental health
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  Speaker 2: is a real issue, but good governance can go a
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  Speaker 2: long way to guarding against it.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: Providing economic security and reassurance about the future matters in
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of ways.
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  Speaker 1: Let's catch up with.
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  Speaker 2: The liberal senator for New South Wales Dave Sharman now, Dave,
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  Speaker 2: good to talk to you again.
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  Speaker 1: Bit of pressure on Peter Dutton tonight.
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  Speaker 17: Well, it's a competitive election, Chris, and the debate I
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  Speaker 17: think will matter more than it often does. I mean,
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  Speaker 17: I think where obviously, I think the underdog's going into
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  Speaker 17: this election. I think we need to have a good
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  Speaker 17: campaign and Petta Dudden I expect we'll have a strong
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  Speaker 17: performance tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's been a more sluggish campaign from
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition than we expect. It haven't been really landing blows,
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  Speaker 2: and you've had that embarrassing backflip on policy of policy
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  Speaker 2: that you obviously hadn't argued effectively enough, so then you've
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  Speaker 2: sort of withdrawn it. So to me, the debate comes
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  Speaker 2: at a crucial time for Peter Dutton because he does
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  Speaker 2: need to land some blows. He does need to create
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  Speaker 2: some momentum, and going face to face with Anthony Alberinezi
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  Speaker 2: is the perfect opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: Surely.
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  Speaker 17: Well, I think you know, global circumstances as well, Chris
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  Speaker 17: are going to have a big impact. I mean, we've
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  Speaker 17: been reminded, I think of the fragility of the world
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  Speaker 17: trading system and the global economy and people's retirement funds
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  Speaker 17: and superannuation balances because of the events of the last
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  Speaker 17: few days, the growing US China trade war and global
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  Speaker 17: trade uncertainty, and in those sort of circumstances, I think
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  Speaker 17: we need a government that's focused on the big issues,
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  Speaker 17: that can do macroeconomic management and national security well. And
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  Speaker 17: I think that's what you've got in Peter Dudden, an
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  Speaker 17: experienced leader who comes from a political party that has
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  Speaker 17: previously got Australia through significant economic shocks of this nature.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the backdrop to the election I think
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  Speaker 2: is so crucial, right, and that is with this Trump
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  Speaker 2: tariff move and fears of a global recession. Now we
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  Speaker 2: are now looking at extended economic uncertainty, a real shock
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  Speaker 2: to this country, and we're attacking it from a really
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  Speaker 2: weak budgetary position. Now we know that the Coalition had
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  Speaker 2: to blow out the debt during the during the pandemic,
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  Speaker 2: much the same way as the Labor government did to
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  Speaker 2: tackle the GFC.
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  Speaker 1: You have to do this when there's an emergency. But
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  Speaker 1: in the good time since the pandemic, we should have been.
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  Speaker 2: Consolidated the budget, getting our debt to managing manageable levels,
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  Speaker 2: ensuring we're on the track to a balanced budget.
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  Speaker 1: So they're ready for the next crisis.
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  Speaker 2: But hey, presto, we've just gotten the budget deeper into
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  Speaker 2: debt and deficit and the next crisis is already upon us.
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  Speaker 17: Look, that's exactly right, and our economy is not match fit.
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  Speaker 17: The labor government has shredded our economic shock absorbers over
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  Speaker 17: the last four years. You know, we've seen productivity stagnant,
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  Speaker 17: we've seen living standards going backwards. We've seen debt massively increase,
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  Speaker 17: we've seen the size of government and government spending massively increase.
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  Speaker 17: That is not the sort of position you want to
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  Speaker 17: be in going into a big global economic shock, because
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  Speaker 17: it means you've got very little fiscal headroom to move
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  Speaker 17: it. It means the reserve Bank, which hasn't yet got on
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  Speaker 17: top of inflation, will be the only tool that we
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  Speaker 17: can use to cushion us through this crisis. Bad economic
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  Speaker 17: management by labor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, we have this unrealistic political debate where
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  Speaker 2: people just create a scare campaign when you say you're
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  Speaker 2: going to trim public sector numbers, which obviously any sensible
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  Speaker 2: government needs to do, and you've had to clarify, of
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  Speaker 2: course that doesn't mean sacking public servants.
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  Speaker 1: It means essentially not replacing them.
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  Speaker 2: You can really trim government spending dramatically over in a
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  Speaker 2: few short years if you just allow natural nutrition to
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  Speaker 2: bring down those numbers.
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  Speaker 17: Well, that's what we did largely through the Howard era.
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  Speaker 17: I mean, the Howard area is well known for having
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  Speaker 17: an efficiency dividend on public service departments, which often meant
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  Speaker 17: that people who retired were not replaced or they were
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  Speaker 17: not replaced at the same rate. And by that measure,
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  Speaker 17: you get the public service back to a manageable size
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  Speaker 17: as a share of the economy. Undoubtedly. I mean we've
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  Speaker 17: seen government spending growth from about twenty four point nine
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  Speaker 17: percent of GDP to about twenty seven point four percent
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  Speaker 17: of GEDP under this government. That has been the largest
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  Speaker 17: and fastest increase in government spending since the Whitlam era.
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  Speaker 17: We need to get that under control. We absolutely need
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  Speaker 17: to get that under control.
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  Speaker 2: Sure do now tonight, sir. Forums not the only debate
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: of the campaign. We're looking forward to some of the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: debates in crucial seats.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: One of them was going to be in Wentworth. Here's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: a legraspender.
• 20:09
  Speaker 18: Every single forum. I think that I've been invited to debate.
• 20:13
  Speaker 18: I will say yes as the election nears, so I
• 20:18
  Speaker 18: think it's really really important.
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: Okay, so we have sent you an invite.
• 20:22
  Speaker 18: I we're just working on the dates.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Laura.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: How about that she agreed to do the debate, David,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Now she's pulled out the Tills.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Don't want scrutiny.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I thought they're into elevating politics and full transparency and accountability.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 20:40
  Speaker 17: I thought they wanted politics done differently, transparency, accountability to
• 20:43
  Speaker 17: the committee. I find that astonishing, to be honest, Chris,
• 20:46
  Speaker 17: that she is refusing to debate her counterpart, her rival
• 20:50
  Speaker 17: candidate in this election. I mean it seems that you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 17: she's all for debates where she stacks them out with
• 20:56
  Speaker 17: Greens and senter left people, but she doesn't to want
• 21:00
  Speaker 17: to do a debate moderator by a professional with an
• 21:03
  Speaker 17: audience that is not handpicked and curated to give her
• 21:07
  Speaker 17: applause for every line. I think she's running from scrutiny
• 21:10
  Speaker 17: and it's not what she promised.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: It's sure. Thanks for joining us, Dave, I appreciate it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Dave Shama, the Liberal Senator for New South Wales, formerly
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: the Liberal member for Wentworth. Of course the seat that
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: allegra spender holds those tials. Those goodchie Greens. They are
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: in a bit of trouble, aren't they. They keep running
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: from accountability. They're not actually practicing what they preach. Let's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: catch up with the Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair now.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: For his take on the campaign. Good to catch up
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: with you, mate.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Your column just echoed with me, I suppose resonated with
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: me because this campaign so far has been, as I
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: said last night, a damp squib and the Coalition has
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: been particularly disappointing, sort of not really making their case
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: on key policies and then and then withdrawing them because
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: a labor scare campaign.
• 21:57
  Speaker 12: It's, as I mentioned, the thing, so the campaign sort
• 22:01
  Speaker 12: of stuck in rehearsal mode. We haven't seen the real
• 22:03
  Speaker 12: thing yet, but it has been the real thing for
• 22:05
  Speaker 12: at least a week. I'm just wondering when it's going
• 22:07
  Speaker 12: to click into the next gear and start accelerating, because
• 22:09
  Speaker 12: right now, maybe maybe tonight's the big eventy atwenty might
• 22:14
  Speaker 12: get things moving again, let's hope.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's got to, it really needs to, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: let's hope so. But just to have a look at
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: this back.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: For let's have a look at Jane Human.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: She was mentioning this policy about getting public servants back
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to the office.
• 22:27
  Speaker 15: Public servants have a right to demand to work from home,
• 22:31
  Speaker 15: and that's simply not working. It's detracting from productivity, which
• 22:35
  Speaker 15: we know is so fundamentally important if we're going to
• 22:38
  Speaker 15: deliver in a more effective and efficient public service.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I think the problem here is then they just leave
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: it alone.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: They don't argue it, they don't articulate it, they don't
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: explain that this is just for public servants and there's
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: always going to be workplace flexibility. They just allow labor
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: to mischaracterize it. And then we get her on the weekend,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: pulling back from it, have a little.
• 23:00
  Speaker 19: We've listened to feedback from right around the country, not
• 23:02
  Speaker 19: just canbrid based public servants, but right around the country
• 23:05
  Speaker 19: who are telling us that flexible work is something that
• 23:08
  Speaker 19: they would like to see in shrined. Now, let's face it,
• 23:11
  Speaker 19: it always was going to be enshrined. Flexible work was
• 23:14
  Speaker 19: always here to stay.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it always was. And this is the point to me,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: So why don't they make the argument.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, it seems like they vacate the field
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to labor.
• 23:25
  Speaker 12: And when you vacate the field, as you point out,
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: you allow the other team to just dictate terms. So,
• 23:31
  Speaker 12: as you said, Chris, this was about public servants only
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: being required to turn up more often at the office,
• 23:37
  Speaker 12: not about anybody else, because the government can't do that
• 23:40
  Speaker 12: about anyone else. You can't dictate to private enterprise. It
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: can't dictate to private individuals what they can do. But
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: Label was somehow very successfully able to turn this into
• 23:50
  Speaker 12: a debate about working from home in general and specifically
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: the right of women to work from home and how
• 23:55
  Speaker 12: it might compromise the rather desire their other achievements that
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: rather wants and so on, and the Liberal National Party
• 24:05
  Speaker 12: just simply let that roll and then end it up
• 24:07
  Speaker 12: apologize if it's something they didn't suggest in the first month. Sectly,
• 24:10
  Speaker 12: it also actually concerned that the people that are fellow
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: Australians actually think the government is so powerful that it
• 24:16
  Speaker 12: can tell them where they could work.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also an indictment on our media too that
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: they fail to call out Labour's lies all the way along.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at Labor here.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I want to show you some campaign posters for Katie
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Gallagher in the Act. She's of course an act senator
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: in the nation's capital.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: There she is.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: It just says Katie delivering for camera. There's others like this.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: It goes to show how proud she is of the
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Australian Labor Party, tim that she shows no association with it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: I'm not sure that even in camera, Katie is a
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: first name only human being like Madonna or Prince. I'm
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: not she might be overstating it a little bit. But
• 24:55
  Speaker 12: you know, it's not noncommon tactic by people of all parties.
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: I mean our previous guest here, Dave Sharma, he left
• 25:02
  Speaker 12: off the Liberal Party identifocation in twenty nineteen and twenty
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: twenty two. So it's not unique to Labor candidates, especially
• 25:11
  Speaker 12: those in camera.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, they all want to be elected just on their
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: own merits, except they happen to be on a party ticket,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: without which they would never get elected. Listen to Katie
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Gallagher when she was asked about this on Radio National
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: this morning.
• 25:23
  Speaker 18: Oh thank you for noticing.
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: Look, I just know I'm going to be honest. People
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: just tell me what the best way to put yourself
• 25:32
  Speaker 13: out there is. But I don't think anyone would not
• 25:35
  Speaker 13: know that I am with the Labor Party. I've been
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: around him for a while now and certainly I'm very
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: proud to be a member of the Labor Party.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, she's not hiding her party, haven't.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I got this campaign poster from Boothby, though this is
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: another one. Instead of showing the Prime Minister on her
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: federal election poster, the Labor member Louise Miller Frost has
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: a picture of Peter Mellanowski's the South Austraining Premier and
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Penny Wong.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I've got a selfie of myself with
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: mal Aanawskis.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I've never got one with Albo.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe we just all prefer the handsome and sensible premiere
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: over the prime minister.
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: It's a bit of a blurr of the old state
• 26:14
  Speaker 12: federal things. Just on Katie Gallaghan, why doesn't she run
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: if she's if she's reluctant to run label, why doesn't
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: she use the signage mean girls?
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: Get that?
• 26:24
  Speaker 12: Would that would have a bit of impact in the elect.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: She could even call herself mean girl number one, except
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: then the other two mean girls would be after her
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: big time.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Thanks for doing us, Tim, look out for that on
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the ballot paper.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Next time around the Mean Girls, we're going to take
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: a break. On the other side of that, are going
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to visit the Middle East. We're going to catch up
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: with a very esteemed commentator and author on what's happening
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: in Israel at the moment and also what President Donald
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Trump is planning to do when it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Comes to the run.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: We'll cross to the US and Kristen Tate later in
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the program and get back into the federal election campaign
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: with Stephen and Susi, but let's dip back into the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: events in the Middle East at the moment, and I'm
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: joined by Israeli commentator and author erhud Yari, who's visiting.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Australia at the moment, joins us live from Melbourne. Good
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to speak to you again.
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: With your grief.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts first up on the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: story that's dominated a lot of coverage out of Gaza
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: in the past few days, and this is the attack
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: by the IDF in Gaza that allegedly took out ambulance workers.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: There's counterclaims here about HUMMAS operatives using ambulances as cover
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and mistaken identities. Are we going to get to the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: bottom of this particular incident, and how does it play
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: into Israel's attempts to end this war and eradicate Hummas.
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: Yes, the idea. Israeli military has already admitted that there
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: was some mistake involved, although those ambulances were indeed used
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: as is often the case by the remaining Hamas operatives.
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: When you have to.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Wage a war.
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: By now it's much less intense. Operation is in an area,
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: in a densely populated area where the armed terrorists are
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: operating from. These mistakes are bound to happen. They do happen,
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: and the less they happen the better.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's actually amatic. But I think so
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: much of.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: The media coverage around the world deliberately insinuate so or
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: outright accuses Israel of doing these things directly or deliberately,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: when there's so.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Little evidence of it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I want to go to the future plans for Gaza
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: and trying to end this war, and Ben Minetta Yahu
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: has been in Washington. He's met with President Trump and
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: here's what he said about the next steps in Gaza.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: We're working up on another deal that we hope will succeed,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: and we're committed to getting all the hostages out, but
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: also eliminating the evil charity of Ramas in Gaza and
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: enabling the people of Gaza to freely make a choice
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to go wherever they want.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: It's such a simple proposition, but such a difficult thing
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: to achieve, isn't it to get all the hostages back
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and eliminatee Hamas.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: What do you expect to unfold in coming months.
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: I think we will keep seeing attempts to reach some
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: sort of a partial deal between Israel and Ramas, broken
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: mainly by now by the Americans. But I do not
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: see a situation in which Ramas will accept to remain
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: without any of the live Israeli hostages. They see that
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: as there are ultimate insurance policy. So the day after
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: in Gaza that everybody was waiting for and talking about
• 30:11
  Speaker 9: is not going to happen. It's not going to be
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: with us too soon. I think generally we have a
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: situation in which Israel will keep our language, mowing the
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: loan or if you want, gardening, not allowing regrowths of
• 30:29
  Speaker 9: Hamas in the Gaza strip, in the same way that
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: Israel doesn't allow the green growth of the wild vegetation
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: of Chrisbala in Lebanon. It takes a lot of gardening.
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: But this is a process build that will.
• 30:47
  Speaker 20: Continue until Hamas is willing to contemplate what is under table,
• 30:55
  Speaker 20: which is disarmament or safe passage outside.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Just before we leave you though, what about the role
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: of Iran here?
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: We know that Iran is behind so much of this.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: President Trump now ensuring that America is dealing directly with Iran.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: He's spoken to.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Benjamin Netanyahu about that can Iranian nuclear aspirations and its
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Machiavelian role in the Middle East be pushed aside without war?
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: Well, I think, Chris, that Israel has managed. It took
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: some time, but Israel has managed to clip Iran's wings
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: all over the Middle East. Their axis of resistance as
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: they called it, is no longer there. And therefore the
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: Iranians understand that they cannot send a lot of good
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: money that they don't have after the bad money that
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: was lost, and they have to deal with the United States,
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: which they will start doing this Saturday in oman A City,
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: which is part of one thousand and one Nights. I
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: think that the Iranians are willing to conduct a long
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: process of negotiations with the United States, waiting to see
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: how the trade ball currently underway is going, whether China
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: manage manages to turn it into its advantage, and whether
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: Trump succeeds in getting a deal with the president putting
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: over Ukraine. So we need to expect a very lengthy,
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: extensive process of negotiations, of course, with ups and downs, etc.
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: But bearing in mind that the Iranians have switched to
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: a policy which I described as nuclean de terrance rather
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: than assembling a bomb. That is, they want to stay
• 33:06
  Speaker 9: and be allowed to stay, which is one of the
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: issues in the negotiations. As close as they can to
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: the nuclear threshold of all the components of a bomb
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: without packaging it, that's their current.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: Course.
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: I think this gives an opportunity for negotiations provided the
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: Americans this time insists on a deal which will be
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: far better, much more comprehensive than the twenty fifteen deal
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: they are signed under President Obama.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: We are out of time. Thanks so much for joining us,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: so I appreciate it. Therehoud Yari, they're visiting Australia from Israel,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: talking about there's a running negotiations as being extensive in
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: time and deliberations. Donald Trump obviously likes to do things
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: more quickly than that.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: We shall.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Donald Trump, he's reveling in the global economic
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: chaos at the moment that he's caused across to Christian
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Tape in just a moment, US President Donald Trump is
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: standing firm on tariffs, refusing to back down despite turmoil
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: in the markets.
• 34:20
  Speaker 16: It's the only chance our country will have to reset
• 34:26
  Speaker 16: the table, because no other president would be willing to
• 34:30
  Speaker 16: do what I'm doing, or to even go through it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 34:33
  Speaker 16: I don't mind going through it because I see a beautiful.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Picture at the end, a beautiful picture. If me can
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: see it, We'll wait and see. I asked Kristen Tate
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: to give us a sense of how this is all
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: going down in the US, given the president's plan was
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to bolster the American economy.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the best way to think about the tariffs here
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: in America is short term pain for long term gain.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: The same economists who are shrieking on the media today
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: about the markets have been a sure US for decades.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: Chris that we'd all be better off getting hooked on
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: cheap goods from other countries, even if it erodes our
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: national security and destroys American industrialization, and even if those
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: other countries close their own markets off to US, it
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: turns out those economists were wrong. The killing of America,
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: of America's industry has just destroyed millions of high paying
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: American jobs which did not require high levels of education.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: That's been disastrous for inequality in this country. But it's
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: not just jobs that we have lost, Chris, it's entire
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: US cities. Swaths of this country that were proud to
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: produce airplanes and steel are now known for opioid overdoses
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: and for what all for cheap goods and globalization.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But this has been the why of the world.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I have the last twenty thirty to fifty the post
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: world economic boom. Really Australia has been through all this.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: We used to have tariffs protecting so many industries here.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: We've lost our auDA industry, we've lost our clothing and
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: footwear industry, we've lost out white goods industry.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: But we do get all of these goods.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Into this country cheaper than we ever did, and we've
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: developed other industries, and certainly America has done that. So
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: America hasn't missed out on the economic boom times of
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: the last couple of decades and you just got to
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: think about Meta and Microsoft and Apple and Google. America's
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: dominated the world and all these new industries.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: Well, this has certainly allowed American elites to do well,
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: they're doing just fine. But I'm telling you, Chris, it
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: has destroyed Middle America and low educated workers. Anyone can
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: just google, you know, if the streets of Philadelphia, look
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: at what's going on there, these cities throughout the middle
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: of the country. They are decimated. And not to mention
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: our national security. The one thing they use economists who
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: are melting down today never want to mention is our
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: national security. We've already exported most of the industrial capacity
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: that allowed us to win World War Two. There is
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: no way we could actually fight such a war against
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: an industrial powerhouse like China. I mean, we don't even
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: make semiconductors in this country anymore. So that's another aspect
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: of this that needs to be discussed. But of course,
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: tariffs are likely just a short term tool. We need
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: to be thinking long term about these problems.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's my hope is that this whole tariff
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: ploy leads to a reduction of trade barriers and tariffs
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: by other countries, and then Donald Trump pulling his barriers down.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: That's certainly the attitude of the Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminett
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Yahoo at his meeting in the White House today.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Have a look, we.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Will eliminate the trade deficit with the United States. We
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: intend to do it very quickly. We think it's the
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: right thing to do. And we're going to also eliminate
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: traded areas.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so essentially he's going to buy more stuff from
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the US.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: And sell less.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: But Australia, as you know, Kristin, we have a trade deficit.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: With the US. You send us more stuff than we
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: sell to you.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Yet we've been caught up in this as well.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, you're going to see dozens of nations
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: lining up to negotiate fair trade deals with Trump in
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: the weeks ahead, certainly especially our allies like Australia. And
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: we've already seen this starting to happen. Israel is a
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: great example of that. Don't forget, the United States makes
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: up twenty five percent of the world economy, So for
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: nations that have been exporting to US, like Mexico in China,
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: some of these places are completely dependent on the United
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: States for their economic survival. I mean, if China doesn't
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: have access to our markets, their population becomes jobless. This
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: could lead to mass social on the rest and even
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: maybe the end of the Communist Party in China. But
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: I also want to point out the media is saying
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: right now that Trump started a trade war. Trump did
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: not start this trade war. This has been going on
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: for eighty years. Even Obama and even Biden, they talked
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: all the time about our trade imbalances. It's just that
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: Trump is the only one who has stood up and
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: really fought back and done something about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right.
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  Speaker 2: There's no doubt that China's trade practices have been overly restrictive.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: They've taken the rest of the world on a ride,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: and there's no doubt that someone had to hit back
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: as just nobody was expecting anybody to hit back this
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: strongly with this firmly with tariff.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So we'll see where it all plays out.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: These things are offered a cycle of overreaction and correction,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: so we'll see how it plays out. But the good
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: news is when you talk about overreaction, there is a
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: lot of fear in global markets and people looking at
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: their local economies right.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Around the world.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: When we confront fear and we're a little bit worried
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: about what's going on. We look to somebody, whise, someone
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: with some inspirational words who can put it all into
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: context for us, And luckily Kamala Harris has done that
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: for us.
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  Speaker 1: Fear has a.
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  Speaker 6: Way of being contigued, and we are witnessing that no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: But I say this.
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  Speaker 8: Also, my dear friends, courage is also contagious.
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  Speaker 2: We are so lucky to still have Kamala Harris in
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: these troubled times. Kristen told me she's going to run
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: for the Democrats in three years time.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Oh I hope so.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: But yes, this was another speech from Kamala where she
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: said lots of words that meant very little. She went
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: on and on stating brainless cliches like fear is contagious,
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: followed by these long pauses. But the crowning jewel of
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: her speech I watched the whole thing, was where she said,
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: make sure you all take care of yourself because self
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: care is so important. She's just so embarrassing Americans. Wish
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: you would just go away. But unfortunately the last line
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: of her speech was I'm not going anywhere. I just
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: wish Kamala would go away, but yeah, she's sticking around.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: It's a pity that her version of self caid doesn't
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: involve getting the hill.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Out of politics. So we'll see what happens.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: And just an update on the current incumbent, of course,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: President Donald Trump. He's taken a truth social to tell
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: us all that he's pleased to report his long scheduled
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: annual physical examination is going to be happening at the
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: water Read Medical Center on Friday.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: He wanted to.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: He's never felt better, he told us, he tells us.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: But he's going to make sure this thing is. The
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: thing has done the tipule of Trump getting out ahead
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: of the media, making sure there's no concerns about his health.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: He looks pretty fit to all of us. Thanks for
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: joining us, Christen, we'll catch you up, catch up with
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you next week.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: Thank you, Chris.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, imagine trying to give Donald Trump some bad health news.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I think he just deny it and tell you get
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: himself another doctor. Where will take a break, We'll come
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: back to the federal election.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Campaign and a video from Albo. You're not going to believe.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Susi and Steven join us next. Let's bring in the
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: herald Son cus O Brian from Melbourne and two Double
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: C Breakfast host Stephen Sena Tiempo in Canberra. Thanks for
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: joining us, guys. Just an hour and a half or
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: so to go till the People's Forum. No doubt Peter
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Dutton and Anthony Albanezi are watching as we speak.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: What's your advice to them, SUSI.
• 42:17
  Speaker 21: Don't muck it up, don't fall off the stage, and
• 42:19
  Speaker 21: answer every question succinctly. And I think what people are
• 42:24
  Speaker 21: actually wanting from both of the leaders is something that
• 42:28
  Speaker 21: is just genuine and not hit listening like, not as
• 42:32
  Speaker 21: if they're just reading talking points. We actually want to
• 42:35
  Speaker 21: know what they're going to do to reduce the cost
• 42:38
  Speaker 21: of living, and what they're going to do about the
• 42:39
  Speaker 21: tariffs and how that's going to affect us.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: You know, the breaking news is that Anthony Alberanezi has
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: asked for proper safety fencing around the back of the stage.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I'm only joking. I'm only joking. He'll be very careful.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: What would you advise the two contenders, Stephen.
• 42:56
  Speaker 22: Well to the Prime Minister, try to tell the truth
• 42:59
  Speaker 22: and actually pretend that the leader of the country not
• 43:02
  Speaker 22: just a bystander and Peter Dutton, attack the scare campaigns,
• 43:05
  Speaker 22: go after him, then just sit back and maybe deliver
• 43:08
  Speaker 22: some real policy.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is fundamental.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: You know, you can't just succumb to scare campaigns.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: You have to call them out and combat them.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: And for instance, when it's you know, public servants all
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: having a lend of us by all working from home
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: all the time, you're got to have the courage of
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: your convictions and actually argue the toss.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: And of course you believe.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: In flexible workplaces. Everybody does, it's a fact of life now.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: But the public servants in camera shouldn't be having a
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: lend of us. But Susie, they've allowed that one. You know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: they've embarrassed themselves by having to backflip on that one.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Not because the policy was wrong, but because they failed
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: to explain it well.
• 43:50
  Speaker 21: I mean, the thing is a lot of the public
• 43:51
  Speaker 21: servants are on enterprise bargaining agreements anyway, and so the
• 43:54
  Speaker 21: government isn't able.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: To strip that back.
• 43:56
  Speaker 21: But exactly what people found that they didn't explain well
• 44:01
  Speaker 21: enough was what this would mean. Would this just be
• 44:03
  Speaker 21: about the federal public service or would this to have
• 44:06
  Speaker 21: wider implications and a lot of people, particularly out in
• 44:09
  Speaker 21: the outer suburbs where there's a long commute into work.
• 44:13
  Speaker 21: We're really scared that this might have implications for them,
• 44:16
  Speaker 21: and so that this was something that was not playing
• 44:18
  Speaker 21: well in the electorate, particularly not playing well with women.
• 44:21
  Speaker 21: Perhaps it wasn't badly explained, but I think it was
• 44:24
  Speaker 21: very poorly sold.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Look.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I just had a bit of a look at the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: alp Instagram feed earlier this afternoon, Stephen, and it looks
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: to me that Albo might be bringing some extra equipment
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to tonight's people's forum have looked they.
• 44:38
  Speaker 23: Are completely glue completely.
• 44:44
  Speaker 24: Then one of the chances he's going to launch into
• 44:53
  Speaker 24: some rap during the.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Drop some sick beats.
• 44:59
  Speaker 22: Seriously, I'm got to say, you know, I've been following
• 45:04
  Speaker 22: election campaigns for nearly thirty years now, and I've got
• 45:06
  Speaker 22: to say this is the worst one, the most lackluster
• 45:08
  Speaker 22: one I've ever seen. We've got to government just trying
• 45:11
  Speaker 22: to pretend that it hasn't been in power for the
• 45:12
  Speaker 22: last three years in an opposition that seems to be
• 45:15
  Speaker 22: afraid of its own shadow. Maybe we need a bit
• 45:17
  Speaker 22: of entertainment like that.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I tell you what I reckon.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: He's a chance to slip the lulu with no sululu
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: in there at some stage, just.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: On the somebody would have dared him to do.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: It, just on the debate. You know, it's the Sky
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: News People's Forum. You know, we put a lot of
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: effort into politics on this station. We're not everyone's cump
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: and see we know that, but god, we work hard
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: to cover politics, and Kieran and the team and Paul
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Murray with his people's forums and pub tests, we do
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: these things very well and they're great for our political debate.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: So on Channel nine this morning, have a look at
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: old mate Andrew Proben here he talks about this, doesn't
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: even bother to tell their viewers where this thing might
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: be happening.
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi and Peter Dutton are prepared to
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: go head to head tonight to battle it out in
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: their first election debate Live tonight. It's National Affairs Editor
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: Andrew Proben in Sydney. Andrew, what can we expect?
• 46:09
  Speaker 25: Well, we can expect some unpredictability and there's the risk
• 46:12
  Speaker 25: for both leaders. These leaders debates are uncontrolled environments, which
• 46:17
  Speaker 25: is anatoma to the way that both sides would like
• 46:21
  Speaker 25: to campaign questions can come on any subject and there's
• 46:26
  Speaker 25: the risk.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Come on probes. You could tell people it's on Sky News.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Some of your viewers might actually want to watch your Well,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: log onto the website and see have a.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Look at this.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Even the ABC, our great foes at the ABC, actually
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: respect their audiences and tell them that the debate the
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: People's Forum is going to be on Sky News. They
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: understand that this is information people actually might want to
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: be aware of. So that's my little bit about the
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: media today. Let's go on to the five dollar note.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: And we've talked before about how the government effectively they've
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: blamed the RBA, but the government's effectively said ye, get
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: rid of the monarch, off the five dollar, the redesign
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: a new one, and they want it to be an
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: indigenous one. Well, it's cost half a million dollars already.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: They haven't even designed it, Susie. I mean they should
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: have just made it a kids, you know, year seven
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: drawing competition.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is just a debacle.
• 47:23
  Speaker 19: They've spent half a.
• 47:25
  Speaker 21: Million dollars already and they've had they've visited one hundred
• 47:29
  Speaker 21: different Indigenous communities across Australia. They've had two thousand submissions,
• 47:34
  Speaker 21: and yet they still don't have a final design, and
• 47:38
  Speaker 21: we're months off getting to the bottom of exactly what
• 47:41
  Speaker 21: they're going to what's going to be there in their
• 47:43
  Speaker 21: commitment to country. But what's funny today is it's come
• 47:46
  Speaker 21: out the Monarch's Association have drawn up their own five
• 47:50
  Speaker 21: dollar bill with Charles on it and some nice sort
• 47:54
  Speaker 21: of nods to country rather than country taking over. And
• 47:58
  Speaker 21: it just would be an interesting alternative where you've actually
• 48:01
  Speaker 21: got a bit of both. And I quite like there
• 48:04
  Speaker 21: someone who was bit happy to see Charles ditched.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I actually don't.
• 48:07
  Speaker 21: I think they've done a good job.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: The Monarca's League. Yeah, they've put that one together.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: They've got U Laru there and King Charles and and some.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Indigenous design they'll probably get to.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: They'll probably get attacked now, Stephen for a cultural appropriation.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I think in that design.
• 48:23
  Speaker 22: Probably well, I think the Bee I think that I
• 48:25
  Speaker 22: have it on good authority. There was an argument between
• 48:26
  Speaker 22: the Prime Minister and the treasure It was like five
• 48:28
  Speaker 22: hundred million dollars. Surely we could have spent more than that.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll see. Good luck watching the People's Forum tonight.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. As Steven Senna, Tiempa and Cuzi
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: O'Brien there. I'll be watching it tonight and i'll file
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: my take on it for The Australian straight afterwards.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: So jump online there if you like. Just some of
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: your feedback from what.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: We showed you last night about that nickel factory in Indonesia.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Kim says labor must be stopped. Don't vote labor green or.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Teal, and Paul says it's time to drop the net
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: zero bs. So there you go, and Will says I'm
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: surprised the mainstream media touched this topic.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe the tide is turning.
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. It was a great report from Channel seven's a.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Spotlight program that we brought you stupets of last night.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: It was a great report and it's a problem with
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: this stuff creating more pollution than they're saving.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter