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Killers Amongst Us: Petite genius disappears before Sunday wedding. What happened to Annie Le? (episode 3) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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  Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. Every day,
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  Speaker 1: on our way to the grocery store, out jogging to
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  Speaker 1: pick up your children from school, and route to work
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  Speaker 1: and back on the elevator, do we ever take time
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  Speaker 1: to look around? I try not to because I know
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  Speaker 1: the statistics that a large percentage of people around me
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  Speaker 1: are convicted fellows. They're own probation, they're on parole or
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  Speaker 1: waiting to commit their very first crime or at least
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  Speaker 1: first time they get caught. Every day, Killers amongst Us,
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  Speaker 1: It is a very grim reality, grim but true. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I see Grace, thanks for being with us here at
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  Speaker 1: k A Killers amongst Us. Annie lay beautiful, brilliant Missing
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  Speaker 1: what clues if any are left behind? Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to our friend Sharon Alfonsei at ABC. Lee was last
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  Speaker 1: seen Tuesday at ten in the morning. A surveillance camera
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  Speaker 1: captured this picture of her entering the Yale lab where
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  Speaker 1: she worked, but so far there are no pictures of
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  Speaker 1: Lee leave it. She after pocketbook, her cell phone, everything
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  Speaker 1: in the lab. Dog searched the building and investigators sorted
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  Speaker 1: through dumpsters. Least picture was posted along Connecticut's highways. Late Friday,
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  Speaker 1: investigators went through the lab building again, this time with
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  Speaker 1: blueprints in hand. Sources say they were focusing on the
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  Speaker 1: basement area looking for clues. Whatever it is. I just
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  Speaker 1: hope that she's found safely on road home. And investigators
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  Speaker 1: are reviewing the surveillance tapes of more than seventy cameras
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  Speaker 1: in the area. They're going through each of those frame
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  Speaker 1: by frame, But so far, university official says, there's been
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  Speaker 1: no signs of foul play. We've gone over and over
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  Speaker 1: why was it cole feet. No one in her family,
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  Speaker 1: none of her friends heard from her. Nothing, The fiance
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  Speaker 1: distraught just days before their wedding, with me an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of it all. Darryl Cohan,
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  Speaker 1: former felony prosecutor now defense attorney, named partner with Cohen, Cooper, Estep,
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  Speaker 1: and Allen at CCA law dot com. Where now psychiatrists
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold
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  Speaker 1: catch this not only a psychiatrist, an MD, but with
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  Speaker 1: a master's in cell and molecular biology. Wow. You can
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  Speaker 1: find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Former police
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  Speaker 1: lieutenant in Haven Police Department, director of the Center for
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  Speaker 1: Advanced Policing at University in me Haven's forensic science department
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  Speaker 1: who worked this case. Lisa Daddio joining US death investigator,
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  Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath
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  Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon. You can see him starting on
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  Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaisons on True Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan but
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  Speaker 1: first to investigate a reporter with Newsday. You can find
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  Speaker 1: him on Twitter at c h A y E. S.
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  Speaker 1: Chase Matthew, Matthew, thank you for being with us. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, cell phone and purse left behind. That tells
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  Speaker 1: me a lot. But hey, Matthew, take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friends at ABC. But on the Yale campus as
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  Speaker 1: the days pass, concern deepens. Act just point her to
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  Speaker 1: be okay. If she was taking in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the day, we could be too. Now. Professor who Annie
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to actually attend a class about the time
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  Speaker 1: that she wasn't missing, canceled that class and that professor
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  Speaker 1: was questioned. But we are told by law enforcement sources
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  Speaker 1: that professor had a rock solid alibi and is not
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  Speaker 1: considered a suspect. Huh. Another quote rock solid alibi. Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Chase again with US Newsday. You can find him at
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  Speaker 1: Twitter at Chase Matthew. Matthew, let's talk about the fact
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  Speaker 1: that the professor canceled the class and that's where she
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to be. Who is this professor? Why was
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  Speaker 1: he deigned to have a rock solid alb I just
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  Speaker 1: like the fiance early on, I believe it was Friday,
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  Speaker 1: as we had heard that he had been There had
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  Speaker 1: been a professor who had been questioned. But it came
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  Speaker 1: some outlets went with that story. We did not, because
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  Speaker 1: we had heard that he could have this alibi. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, it just just like other things in
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  Speaker 1: this case, it was a coincidence. There was the smoke alarm. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it just coincidentally went off. Her wedding day was a
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  Speaker 1: couple of days away. Um. You know, there's this idea
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  Speaker 1: that maybe she's a one runaway bride, but both of
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  Speaker 1: you know, wind up just not panning out, not panning
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  Speaker 1: out at the get go. You know, why is it,
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  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen? That's so often when somebody is a suspect,
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  Speaker 1: police say there are no suspects. Fancy and some magicians,
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  Speaker 1: you don't see what I'm looking for because I tell
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  Speaker 1: you I am not. Therefore there's no suspects. Therefore the
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  Speaker 1: suspect for a suspect, hopefully let their guard down just
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, tell you one little piece of information
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  Speaker 1: that they might not have otherwise told you had their
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  Speaker 1: guard been up. Simple been there forever and will stay
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  Speaker 1: there forever. Jess Scott Morgan, you certainly know your way
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  Speaker 1: around an investigation. The minute cops say to me they're
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  Speaker 1: not a suspect, I start looking at them. Why are
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  Speaker 1: they even bringing them up? Yeah? Exactly why you know?
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  Speaker 1: Why do they bring them up? Because I can tell you,
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  Speaker 1: even though the authorities are going to say that they
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  Speaker 1: are not a suspect, keep in mind, all of the
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  Speaker 1: Criminal Investigation Division that is involved directly involved in the
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  Speaker 1: case are still at least peripherally going to keep their
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  Speaker 1: eyes on this person, because, for one thing, when you
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  Speaker 1: make a public statement like that, you can allow individuals
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  Speaker 1: to let their guard down, and then they start doing
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  Speaker 1: stupid stuff, and generally it's the stupid stuff that gets
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  Speaker 1: criminals caught. In this particular case, they would say that,
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  Speaker 1: oh man, Joe Scott, you're so right. Does anybody beside me?
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  Speaker 1: Remember when Lacy Peterson went missing and somebody wisely stuck
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  Speaker 1: a tracker on husband Scott Peterson's car, and he kept
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  Speaker 1: going over and over and over to the San Francisco Bay,
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  Speaker 1: thinking he was all alone and unseen, and stopping getting
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  Speaker 1: out of the car and looking out on the bay
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  Speaker 1: all the time knowing his wife an unborn baby. We're
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  Speaker 1: at the bottom of the bay, waited down by cement blocks,
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  Speaker 1: just hoping against hope they wouldn't pop up. Guess what
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  Speaker 1: they did. Took a minute, but they did. That's the
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  Speaker 1: kind of behavior I'm talking about it. What is it,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold? Why do criminals always, not always, but
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times go back to the scene of
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  Speaker 1: the crime. Why, Well, Nancy, you know, there's still human beings.
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  Speaker 1: They have to feel a sense of guilt and some
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  Speaker 1: sort of remorse possibly, and also I believe that they're
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  Speaker 1: they're going back because they want to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: nothing has floated up. They're in I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: say that, I was going to say they're in an
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  Speaker 1: altered state of mind when they do this. I think
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  Speaker 1: they know exactly what they're doing. I think that they're
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  Speaker 1: going back to make sure that they're not going to
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  Speaker 1: get caught if any evidence has turned up. Lisa daddyo
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  Speaker 1: with me, who works the case missing brainy at Oh,
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  Speaker 1: she's so pretty Annie Lay, Lisa, if you tell me
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  Speaker 1: you're a the foreign police lieutenant in having a police department.
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  Speaker 1: If you tell me the professor Sir didn't have some
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  Speaker 1: kind of crush on Annie Lay and he had an
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  Speaker 1: airtight alibi and the fiance has an airtight alibi. I'll
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  Speaker 1: believe it, yes or no, Yes, believe it or not.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean a lot of the things and everyone's
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  Speaker 1: kind of brought it up a little bit that was
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  Speaker 1: problematic in this case. Everybody was running some different angle
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  Speaker 1: and everybody wanted to kind of be the first to
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  Speaker 1: break the case. And we had lots of leaks in
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  Speaker 1: the investigation because we were dealing with a multitude of
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  Speaker 1: agencies working together. So things that we would never typically
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  Speaker 1: had put out regarding the investigation we're getting put out.
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  Speaker 1: Literally almost every movie made was being announced throughout the media,
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  Speaker 1: and there were hundreds and hundreds of reporters camped out
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  Speaker 1: and from the police department over at ten amass thought
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  Speaker 1: at the enne's apartment. And so while things that typically
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't have even come to the the forefront of
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  Speaker 1: you would of people being considered a person of interest
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  Speaker 1: would never have been out in the media. Everything in
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  Speaker 1: this case kept getting magnified. So it was really causing
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  Speaker 1: some issues for us. Her professor that had canceled the class,
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  Speaker 1: her fiance Jonathan were knocked out of being suspects, like immediately,
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  Speaker 1: that's how tight their alibis were. Okay, So coming from you,
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  Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio, former police lieutenant right there, the jurisdiction who
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  Speaker 1: worked this case, I believe it. So I've got to
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  Speaker 1: take away. I've got to rule out my two first
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  Speaker 1: persons of interest, and that would be the fiances, who
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  Speaker 1: statistically you'll look at and the professor who suddenly canceled
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  Speaker 1: his class. I'm sure investigators thought, wow, he's so distraught,
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  Speaker 1: he's canceling his class. Why is he so distraught? But
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  Speaker 1: he's ruled out. He's got an alibi. It's not him.
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  Speaker 1: Where is Annie late Joseph Scott Morgan? You just heard
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  Speaker 1: Lisa daddy Estate. Everybody wanted to crack the case first.
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  Speaker 1: You know what that tells me? That tells me contaminated
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  Speaker 1: crime scene. Explain. Yeah, everybody when you involve yourself. I
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  Speaker 1: hate the word first when it comes to an investigation,
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  Speaker 1: because when you're moving forward on an investigation, if everybody's
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  Speaker 1: sitting on the balls of their feet ready to pounce
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  Speaker 1: on everything, that means that you run the risk of
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  Speaker 1: not being able to take your time and methodically work
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  Speaker 1: through it and listen, this is a passion driven event.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm talking about from the perspective of her family
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  Speaker 1: and friends. People want to find this young woman. They
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  Speaker 1: desperately want to find her because they love her, they
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  Speaker 1: care about her, they're worried. But while you're searching, you're searching,
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  Speaker 1: and people with all the good intentions in the world
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  Speaker 1: can dig through things that can move, things that can touch,
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  Speaker 1: things that can trample things and grind it into the ground.
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  Speaker 1: And evidence, particularly in the realm in which we live today,
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  Speaker 1: is so very tiny. It's so very fragile. The slightest
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  Speaker 1: thing for us as investigators and professionals like Lisa, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it can actually turn the tide of the case in
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  Speaker 1: one millisecond. But if you have somebody that puts their
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  Speaker 1: foot in the wrong place, or pick something up or
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  Speaker 1: destroys it, it's gone. It's gone. Forever. You're actually giving
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  Speaker 1: me a chill because you know, the other day I
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  Speaker 1: guess it was who was it, John, David or Lucy.
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  Speaker 1: They were going out in the door and I saw
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  Speaker 1: law a long blonde hair on the back of their
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  Speaker 1: their fleece, and I, you know, pulled it off and
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  Speaker 1: dropped it. One hair. One hair proved that I had
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  Speaker 1: been in contact with that fleece. Think back to the
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  Speaker 1: Wayne Williams case in Atlanta, Multiple Bowl. Young boys and
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  Speaker 1: men go missing, they're dead. A fiber A fiber and
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  Speaker 1: this was brand new technology at that time and had
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  Speaker 1: never been used in the United States before. The guy
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  Speaker 1: who introduced it at trial helped hire me brilliant, brilliant
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  Speaker 1: appellent lawyer. One fiber was the first one found under
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  Speaker 1: a microscope. They're like, what is this? Guess what it was?
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  Speaker 1: Carpet fiber out of the trunk of Wayne William's car.
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  Speaker 1: Then they started looking for more fiber. Found fiber exactly
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  Speaker 1: matching the carpet in Wayne William's home. And it was
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  Speaker 1: a unique carpet wasn't made anymore. I want to think
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  Speaker 1: it was something like orange shag. It was just let's
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  Speaker 1: say something, Oh my goodness, I can't believe I remember that,
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  Speaker 1: and you I don't find orange shag just every where.
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  Speaker 1: They had a specific run of that carpet. They had
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  Speaker 1: a specific run of that carpet that was unique, and
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  Speaker 1: it was it was a very small run when they
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  Speaker 1: were manufacturing. But one line, and I'll shut my mouth
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  Speaker 1: after this, but I have to and uh, relative to this,
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  Speaker 1: because as new as that technology was back then, back
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  Speaker 1: in the early eighties, and with Wayne Williams, and we
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  Speaker 1: moved forward to today where we have things like DNA
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  Speaker 1: and then even you know, brought more specifically touched NA.
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  Speaker 1: There's the old principle that goes back over one hundred years,
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  Speaker 1: which is the edict that came down from Edmond Lecard
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  Speaker 1: so many years ago, hundreds of years ago, where he
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  Speaker 1: actually was able to look forward in time and he
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  Speaker 1: understood logically his statement in that every contact leaves a trace,
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  Speaker 1: so that no matter who you are, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: leave something of yourself behind. And that applies not just
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  Speaker 1: to bad guys, but that I hate to interrupt you
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  Speaker 1: quoting up an old dead guy who happened to be brilliant,
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  Speaker 1: I might say, and you're absolutely correct. I just want
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  Speaker 1: to clear one thing up, because Jackie's really giving me
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  Speaker 1: the hairy eyeball. I was still in undergrad when all
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  Speaker 1: that was happening, and I only know about it because
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  Speaker 1: I came to the office and read all the appellate files.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to be clear about that timing. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: now that we've got that out of the way, here's
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  Speaker 1: another thing. Let's analyze this. Oh, Daryl Cohen, you know
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  Speaker 1: who I was talking to on the phone last night,
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  Speaker 1: and the head of indictments that taught me how to
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  Speaker 1: go through a file as thick or thin as it
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  Speaker 1: may be, pick out the felonies and correctly drop an
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  Speaker 1: indictment and take it to a grand jury. Who says,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, that you have not called him as
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  Speaker 1: I instructed you to do a month ago. That said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the Wayne Williams case. I'm thinking about Fiber,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about hair, I'm thinking about what Lisa Daddio said.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody wanted to crack the case first, and they were
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  Speaker 1: all rushing through the building, so many odd circumstances converging
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  Speaker 1: to make the perfect storm, and somewhere in that storm,
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  Speaker 1: Annie Lego's missing. But another thing about the cell phone
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  Speaker 1: and the purse being left behind. Hold on, Darrel before
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  Speaker 1: I get your conclusion, Lisa Daddio, you worked the case
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  Speaker 1: where were her sale and purse? So Annie's cell phone
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  Speaker 1: and purse were found in her actual office that was
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  Speaker 1: not housed in ten Amaside, which is her research lab.
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  Speaker 1: She was part of the medical building that was a
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  Speaker 1: couple blocks away, and being a research student and you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of working underneath a full professor at the university,
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  Speaker 1: her research professor. She left her items there and just
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  Speaker 1: had her lab notebook with her her key card to
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  Speaker 1: get in. And we know this obviously because we can
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  Speaker 1: see her walking in to ten almost out, holding her
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  Speaker 1: lab book and pretty much nothing else and then just
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  Speaker 1: you know, going about her day as she normally would
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  Speaker 1: prior to leaving. And you know I would do the
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  Speaker 1: same thing, Darryl. At our office in the District Attorney's office,
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  Speaker 1: it's a huge office. It was in the old courthouse,
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  Speaker 1: so you were mixed in with floors of courtrooms, the
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  Speaker 1: clerk's office probate and the District Attorney's office, which how
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  Speaker 1: was housed on three and then four floors being indictments
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  Speaker 1: and the elected DA Mister Slayton, a few other things
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  Speaker 1: in there, a whole level where the appellate lawyers and
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  Speaker 1: others were, then a whole other level of the trial lawyers.
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  Speaker 1: I would wander around wherever I had to go with
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  Speaker 1: nothing but my key to my office, and I usually
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  Speaker 1: carry my ID, but not always so I can see
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  Speaker 1: her rushing from one building into amstyle with nothing but
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  Speaker 1: a lab book and a key card, leaving her cell
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  Speaker 1: phone and her purse at her station in her main building.
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  Speaker 1: This is telling me all over again, this is not
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  Speaker 1: a runaway bride. What's she going to use her key
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  Speaker 1: card to buy food at McDonald's and Kroger. No, not
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  Speaker 1: a runaway, not the fiancee, not the professor. And now
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  Speaker 1: fear reigns across New Haven. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: cut eighteen. This is Randall Pinkston with CBS. Four days
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  Speaker 1: after Lee's disappearance, the university's police chief sought to reassure
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  Speaker 1: the Yale community. We have many physical security to help
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  Speaker 1: us with this investigation, to include over seventy cameras. The
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  Speaker 1: concern reaches far beyond the new Haven campus. The parents
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  Speaker 1: are like calling in link checking you know, are you
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  Speaker 1: save today? Authorities continued to work in the laboratory where
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  Speaker 1: any Lee was last seen. Authorities reportedly have discovered bloody
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  Speaker 1: clothing in the ceiling of the building. Published reports see
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  Speaker 1: the clothing is not Lee's. Investigators are also pouring through
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  Speaker 1: garbage at a hardwood waste facility looking for clues. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's enough to throw wrench into the investigation to find
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  Speaker 1: clothing that's bloody, and everybody's like, wow, we've found evidence,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not her blood. It's from some other event.
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  Speaker 1: They continue working and they're looking and looking and looking
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  Speaker 1: as fear blankets the community. They're going through seventy camera
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  Speaker 1: security footage. The concern then passes beyond the campus, parents
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  Speaker 1: calling frantically to see if their children are safe. So
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  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, Yeah, I appreciate the fear throughout the community.
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  Speaker 1: I get it. I appreciate the parents calling, But I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking about the investigation. The pressure is mounting. When you're
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  Speaker 1: going on four days you can't find her, you can't
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  Speaker 1: find her body. The pressure sets in at that point.
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe people begin to get frantic within the
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  Speaker 1: investigation and make decisions they wouldn't normally make. I think
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  Speaker 1: when your back is against the wall and you don't
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  Speaker 1: have enough leads or enough evidence, you're going to start
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  Speaker 1: reaching out in every possible direction. And absolutely, Nancy, They're
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  Speaker 1: going to be making assumptions, trying to see if this
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  Speaker 1: works and travel to the end of this dead end,
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  Speaker 1: back up and do it again. They're going to keep
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  Speaker 1: looking because it doesn't make sense. Now, leaving your purse
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  Speaker 1: as a female, that's unusual, but leaving your cell phone
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  Speaker 1: that is almost unheard of. Nobody male or female, younger old,
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  Speaker 1: takes two inches away from their wherever they are without
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  Speaker 1: bringing that cell phone. So yes, they're going to be
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  Speaker 1: very worried. And my question about this bloody clothing. Has
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  Speaker 1: there been DNA done on it? Does some of her
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  Speaker 1: DNA reach that bloody clothing or is it completely a
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  Speaker 1: separate incident that has nothing whatsoever to do with her disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators find bloody clothing in the building we're missing Yale
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  Speaker 1: grad student anyway, lasting just before her wedding day, but
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  Speaker 1: they say it's not Annie's blood, so therefore it's disconnected,
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  Speaker 1: you know, straight back out to you. Matthew Chase, investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter Newsday. You can find him at Twitter at Chase Matthew, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: what's your name backwards? On Twitter? You know, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: Nancy's having it first name, last name was not available,
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  Speaker 1: so I had to do it reverse. Well, hey, it works.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Necessity the mother of invention. So Matthew, there's just too
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: many coincidences piling up for me. You got the fire drill,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the unexpected fire drill, which Lisa Daddio says, she explained away.
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  Speaker 1: You've got just before her wedding. You've got a boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: with an airtight alibi, so say police. You've got this
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: professor who suddenly cancels classes he's so upset with an
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: airtight alibi, or so he says. Now there's bloody clothes
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: in the ceiling. Why are there bloody clothes in the ceiling?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And cops say it's not her blood? Did you just
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: like stop in your tracks at the time, Matthew Chase
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: when you hear bloody clothes were in the ceiling. But
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I think this is where the you know, the coincidence
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: is in the bloody clothing. It's in a drop ceiling.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: It's not any lace clothing. But you just correct to me.
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Hayes from Newsday, and thank you they said it's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: not Annie's clothes, not that it's not her blood. Is
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: that what you just said, Matthew Chase. It's not right,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: not her clothes. That's a big difference. I thought they
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: said it's not her blood, so it would be totally
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: disconnected potentially. But you're just saying it's not her clothes
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: as opposed to not her blood. That's a subtle but
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: important distinction, straight to really renowned in her field. Lisa Daddio,
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  Speaker 1: former police lieutenant New Haven Police on this case, now
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  Speaker 1: the director of the Center for Advanced Policing at University
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  Speaker 1: Newhaven's Forensic Science department. Lisa Daddio, I don't want to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: fact check Matthew Chase right in front of him, but
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: is that correct? It's I thought it was not her blood,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: but he's saying, no, it's not her clothing. Is that correct? Yes,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Matthew actually is correct on that. It's one of many
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: things that we started finding, but yeah, it wasn't He's right,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: not in her clothing. See, that changes everything because that
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: coincidence is just you know, it's like taking out a
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: billboard on Third Avenue. You're standing on a crime scene
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  Speaker 1: to suddenly find bloody clothes, even though they're not hers
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: stuffed up in the ceiling and Lisa Daddy, it wasn't
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the ceiling of where she was last known to be
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: or some other ceiling. No, so it was actually the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: drop ceiling of the lower level. It was not in
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: her lab room where her key card had last key
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: card at her untry, so as somebody else's clothes covered
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: in blood Lisa. Was the blood dried, Yes it was.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: It was actually absorbed on the articles of they that
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: were found. If it had even been the least bit damp,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: we would definitely know it had to be connected. But
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the blood is dried, So is it another red herring
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: or is it for real? Matthew Chase? What's a drop ceiling? Yeah?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: You know in older buildings the seal, they'll look up
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and you'll see a ceiling. But in some buildings there
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: is a kile that you can lift up and you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: can access electrical materials, electrical wires, and you know, in
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: this case, someone apparently lifted up the ceiling and put
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: in the clothes that we're just talking about. And how
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: were those found? Matthew Chase, Why would you think in
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: a place unrelated to any light within the building to
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: look in the ceiling. The police, the FBI, actually multiple
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: police agencies were on this case and they were looking everywhere.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So I of course was not in the basement, but
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I assume that they were looking with the schematics. They're
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: looking in the ceiling, they're looking in every closet, they're
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: looking everywhere, and they make this discovery. Yeah, you're right in,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Matthew Chase, yet again investigative reporter in news Day. Now,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I get the investigative part of that, Lisa Daddy. Oh,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I know they came in with the blueprints for the building,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: but what led them to search an unrelated drop ceiling?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: So as with you, basically any crime scene that investigators
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: are processing or trying to to look for evidence, you're
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: going to look for looking areas where anything can be
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: hidden or discarded. So it's not unusual for them to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: look in ceilings, look behind things, look under things, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: because we know that, I mean, one thing that's really important, Nancy,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: to realize this is originally considered a missing person came
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: so the lab for a couple of days after any
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: went missing, was still open and operating under normal circumstances.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Contamination oh yeah, and so you know, again the first
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: i'd say probably close to forty eight hours or so ish.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it was being treated as a missing person case,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: possibly a runaway bride case, so there was no reason
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: to lock the building down and you know, stop people
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: from going in and out. So knowing that investigators when
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: they're trying to find evidence, and they started finding things
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: obviously going you know, like on that day three ish
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: mark that it expanded their search to look where evidence
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: could be concealed. And so you know, the drop ceiling
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: in the lab, all the different boxes that were in
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: there that had contained discarded gloves and lab because like biohazar,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously boxes and just looking everywhere for where
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: some type of evidence to make a link, to make
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a connection could be found. And then a break in
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the case. Take a listen to Randall Pingston CBS. It
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: was the discovery that everyone dreaded. After the exhausted search
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: using sniffer dogs and high tech equipment, last night, authorities
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: announced they had found remains, and even before they had
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: made positive identification, they say they believe it is indeed
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the body of twenty four year old Annie Lay five
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: days after any lay vanished. State police found a body
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: in the building where she was last seen alive. Shortly
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: after police made the announcement, Yale's president offered his condolences.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: He hearts go out to the family of Annie Lee,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to her fiance, to her friends. The family and fiance
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and friends now must suffer the additional ordeal of waiting
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: for the body to be positively identifiation Who murdered Annie
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: lay As the family waits for a positive identification, knowing
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: in their hearts who else could it be? Nancy Grace
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Killers amongst us son you know, goodbye friend,