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- Kait Tregenza: Welcome to the podcast, Elisa. This episode of Becoming Flame is brought to you by Phenxx. is a ritual luxury house devoted to erotic feminine embodiment. We alchemical intimacy oils and functional fragrances infused with spagyric botanicals designed to soften the nervous system, open the ⁓ and awaken force vitality. Our formulations are as tools of self-initiation. ⁓ They are not Hello and welcome to another episode of Becoming Flame. Today's episode is about receiving. just receiving money, love, support or success, but receiving life itself. Receiving you say you want, what you desire, what you beyond what you just need, but receiving you, receiving self, receiving the codes Elisa Canali: you. Kait Tregenza: So exciting to have you here. Before we connected, I also sent you my human design because I know that you're into that. So you know a lot about me, I think, maybe. The listeners obviously know a little bit less about you, but I want to do like this traditional, tell us about yourself kind of thing. They are not decorative. They are designed to be felt. are designed to Each oil a cellular shift into relaxation and receptivity, activating and opening an archetypal femininity ⁓ that your body and is yearning to into. that you are. And then what it is to receive beyond beyond the ⁓ of give take of trade. What are the that we can receive and why are they so important to start exploring? Because it's not ⁓ What I would love to know is why you want to work with women to become amazing receivers. Why is that? Out of everything you could do in the world, why was that the thing you chose? Elisa Canali: Well, of all, because ⁓ think it's gift. always been, since I was like an incredible receiver. Like, ⁓ yes. Kait Tregenza: These oils allow the body to open safely into sensual intelligence, magnetism and creative power. open the libido and ⁓ creative sexual When the is safe, ⁓ it softens. it softens, it receives. When receives, it And when it the entire world ⁓ shifts. a conversation about receiving without overworking, without over controlling or trying to earn your worth, you know, through exhaustion or beyond exhaustion. It's, it's not that kind of conversation that we're having today because you can receive that conversation every podcast and every social media post from every talking about manifestation and law of attraction today in this conversation with Elisa. Really? I want to know so much about that. Okay. Elisa Canali: I never had this feeling that a lot of women have like, I can't receive gifts or I can't receive help ⁓ I can't ask this or the other. My mom always joked that probably was a queen in another life ⁓ I've always picked the most ⁓ thing and I've had a taste for luxury things. I was young, I always felt like I just deserved this. It's natural. Kait Tregenza: believe that women who sit deeply in their bodies, ⁓ their erotic intelligence and sovereignty, ⁓ powerful creators of their lives and the environments around them. Our are initiations into that coherence. Luxury in Devotional in use. ⁓ in effect. yours ⁓ at That's P-H-E-N. Canali. is a channel. She's a psychic medium. She ⁓ so about receiving because it was the codes ⁓ that herself was innately born with and she knows how to bring them out in other people. She knows how to sit and admit that ⁓ so whoever's in front of her can feel the agitation where they're not receiving. So you never needed to work your self-worth and your self-esteem on like opening to receive. these things have not been issues for you. where they're defaulting into struggle, where they're defaulting into childhood conditioning or that trauma really ⁓ our capacity to want more. So this conversation is not about shifting your mindset. This conversation is not about just knowing worth, about, you know, setting goals and going out and getting them. ⁓ This is far, far, far more than mindset. xx.com Elisa Canali: Yes, I to work of course on my self-worth, but other more ⁓ in the ⁓ of able set boundaries, example, or being able to say no, or being able to not give to people. Kait Tregenza: We talk about the currencies women are trying to access, the grief of letting go of what was never truly available to us because it wasn't ours. not ours to receive. I think the foundational point that both of us are coming from, but we never really articulate is ⁓ which is ours will ⁓ make its way to us. And which is ours is never going to be taken away. Elisa Canali: But on the opposite side, like, never ⁓ issues receive love or money or receive appreciation, you know? Kait Tregenza: Okay, so really curious, like how many currencies do you operate You know, what are the main currencies that you are receiving? Like you said, love, appreciation, money, but like, if you so, you are one these very rare women that are just like, yeah, just give it to me. I'm open, I'm taking it. But who we need to be in ourselves to match that which is ours in our destiny, our true blueprint for a life worth living, for a life that we are here to live, coming from a place of letting go of the falseness of us, ⁓ into the truth of who we be, understanding we want, understanding what we desire. I'm so interested now, like what are the currencies that you know of? What are the differences? Is there any different way of receiving those different things or is it all the same? Like break this down for us. This is like, you're an Oracle. because our desires are linked to our blueprint and then stepping forth into claiming that. But what happens is that we've been taught what to want. been taught what to go after. And it's from outside. It's from external sources. Elisa Canali: So for me there are many currencies in receiving, know, is love, there is support, there is... Kait Tregenza: This episode is for the woman who is tired of forcing, tired of performing and really ready to let go of all of those stories and understand what it would mean to become available for more from a place of truth. It would of ⁓ to who we came here to be and understand that in that place there are no blocks, ⁓ in place there ⁓ are Elisa Canali: beauty, there is money of course, words of appreciation, a lot of different currencies and you know some women maybe have opened the path to receive love but they haven't opened up the path to receive money or vice versa you know it's not just ⁓ one thing. is multiple aspects we have to work with that comes from ⁓ specific wound that we have developed growing up and specific that we have grown up with. And every one of us has a different blueprint for that. So what I do is really looking at Kait Tregenza: wounds, no issues, ⁓ to heal and nothing to become worthy of. ⁓ simply become who you be in the fullness of the expression of you. and you receive who you are and you receive all that is coming to you from other, from of you. And we explore all the ways in which that can happen. Elisa Canali: and the ecosystem of your receiving blueprint and then looking at, where are the cracks? Where do we have to, you know, and alchemize? For me, I say probably the one the only one probably has been like receiving my success, know, like being able to ⁓ achievements without actually to receive ⁓ the from someone else. So there is receiving others and then there receiving from yourself, which for me are two different ⁓ elements. Does it sense? Kait Tregenza: And to have this conversation with me today, our guest is Elisa Canali a feminine leadership mentor and business coach whose work really centers on receiving on. Okay. Okay. human design, on feminine leadership, accepting success. Not just as a concept, but as a woman's lived capacity to hold more love, more wealth, more support, more success, ⁓ more of her own truth. What makes Elisa's ⁓ so compelling ⁓ that she speaks about receiving as something ⁓ deeper than mindset. For her, it touches identity, ⁓ system, safety, self-worth, yes, trauma. Right. And receiving from others is easier for you than receiving from yourself. Fascinating. Okay. Keep talking. I'm learning so much. Elisa Canali: Thank you for example, let's say know a lot of women, my clients or friends who go to the restaurant and you know, the meal is not what, know, how like it cooked. Kait Tregenza: and the patterns that women inherit from family culture and conditioning. But beyond that, what is it at the truth of view, what can you receive? So I think that Elisa brings a very powerful lens to what it means to stop forcing, to stop proving and to start becoming available for more. She shares openly about her own experience and the ways receiving can look different for every woman and how she's so understanding to Elisa Canali: or the wine, you know. have no problem telling the waitress, no, I don't like this, like you have to cook it better or the wine is not what I like, you know, because I'm just aware that I am the restaurant and I'm there to receive the best. While so many us compromise our desires, Kait Tregenza: culture and to difference in ⁓ and family background and all of that. But at the same time, ⁓ where there's a place for stories and where there isn't. So think her work is really about seeing the deeper source of what has shaped us, ⁓ but seeing the higher forces of what could. So absolutely for conversation. Elisa Canali: especially women, because we want to be good girls, we want people to please, we want to not bother Kait Tregenza: Yeah. So why is it easier for you to receive from other people over yourself? Elisa Canali: So for me, it's been easier to receive for myself, for example, I have no problem buying myself things or going to the spy loan or booking a massage. I don't have any issue for me. It's been more an internal receiving of... Kait Tregenza: You will get so much out of it. Let us welcome Elisa to Becoming Flame. Elisa Canali: since I am an AI achiever ⁓ and I have ⁓ it's been hard for me to see myself. And if we cannot see ourselves clearly, we cannot from ⁓ inside of ourselves. Kait Tregenza: Mmm. Yeah. Elisa Canali: So it's different a receiving, is ultimately what we all want, than an outside receiving from outside. Does it make sense? Kait Tregenza: It makes sense. so for is it because you had real ⁓ and connection ⁓ and real from your parents ⁓ your immediate Really? Now I'm even more fascinated. Because the only women that I've ever met that are really good at receiving is that they have amazing parents that are just like, showered them with love and the kid was like, yes, ⁓ love it all and I see it all. So now I'm even more fascinated about your story about receiving. Elisa Canali: I think, you know, I believe since I'm very into, as you know, human design and jinkies and spirituality, I believe that we are all coming into the world with the specific coats, with specific gifts. And that's what I came into the world with, you know, if my were Kait Tregenza: Yep. Elisa Canali: Like I grew up in a traumatic family. I have a lot of trauma. My parents were not the kind of that to describe at all, the opposite. So I think, for me, was annoying since I was young. that was meant to receive, that I could ask for the things wanted and ⁓ I deserve Kait Tregenza: So I feel like what I'm understanding from this is like, if you had a really amazing talent for mathematics, whether your parents treated you really well or really unwell, your talent for mathematics would have already been like, okay, maybe you didn't go to school or things like that may have impacted. But if you had a true rare gift for like, genius level mathematics. It doesn't matter if you didn't go to school, you're self-taught. You're like, you're finding ways, you're seeking that out. Okay, so you born with a gift to receive from others. Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: irrespective of trauma that you grew up with. That is fascinating. That is very unique. Has that been a unique situation for you in the work that you're doing as well? ⁓ are like very often confused and interested by this or this is why they're coming to you? Elisa Canali: Well, yes, a lot of women come to me especially because they have problems in receiving more. Like in when I talk about ⁓ money and it's about your with more. Like more visibility, ⁓ more more money. more clients, more you know? It's always this relationship with more. And so when we opened up ourselves to feel safe into more, ultimately these things like money, clients, visibility, success are sensations. So we have to work with the body to feel safe in the of more, of overflow, of limitlessness, you know, ⁓ Kait Tregenza: And does it matter what somebody's trying to receive? Or does it just matter about that finding home and safety within your body? Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: The second. Elisa Canali: The second, for sure also depends again because I have a lot of clients who come from different cultures. So for depending on, I have clients coming from Korea, from Russia. So it's also very much depending on the culture you grew up in, not only just your family, but you know, the environment where you grew up in and the... morphogenetic field that imprinted body and your DNA and your subconscious. So for women that I with that come from a culture like Korea, where there was so much affection and touching and ⁓ hugging, something they a with. But then we also see how this is connected with money, how this is connected with clients, you know, because at the end everything is connected. Kait Tregenza: So that was going to lead into my next question actually was understanding and the way that I see and experience energy is that it all sort of does come from this one universal source. There factions and that's more the prism of the ⁓ receivers the viewers or the players minds, right? Is that they faction out energy into they now name as Elisa Canali: you Kait Tregenza: love, money, confidence, et cetera, et cetera. But I experience energy in general, it's singular form. It's a singular source ⁓ and it through to us. So is it more that our beliefs and our story creates because from this culture, Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: I have this thing to overcome or, you I can, ⁓ can find a man that I can't find a job or I can, you know, whatever it may be. Like, is, is it about working each of those individual things that we're trying to receive, or is it about elevating ourselves into that more universal galactic cosmic, you know, oneness of energy? Like, or is it about moving between them? Elisa Canali: Yeah. Yeah, so it depends, and that's like a very interesting conversation, it depends from level of consciousness from we operate. So ⁓ there women, or humans, operate a lot the 3D level of consciousness. Kait Tregenza: Yeah. Okay. Elisa Canali: So the 3D level of consciousness is a common one where we reality and where we ⁓ believe is a laptop, this is a chair. And in for me and for clients do the change, cannot move immediately them into a 5D or 7D level of consciousness because their mind and their human is going to freak out and we have a glitch in the system. So we need to do it. ⁓ Kait Tregenza: Don't you want to glitch in the system? Don't you want to be glitching? if there's something that's wrong with you in terms of like, I'm not, I'm not accepting everything. Don't you want to glitch on that? So you get up to a higher level or you want to go really slowly and like pace it out. Elisa Canali: you want to, because we both 5D and a body, like we choose to come into this earth to earth, to experience duality, to experience the body, to experience sensation, so we cannot bypass that and go immediately here because it can work for a while. But then we draw back. we haven't done the work first year, we live here ⁓ because too for our system. And that's where a lot of women do the quantum leap and then they crash. Because they haven't stabilized at the of body, the nervous system, the cellular. they haven't stabilized where they wanna be. So it's always a game of moving between level of consciousness. Kait Tregenza: Yeah, it makes sense. And your nervous system needs to hold it. Your body needs to hold it. You need to believe that it's safe. And that's the difference between experiencing and receiving, I would say. Okay. I you're moving from ⁓ a to a higher, and you're doing that in titration so that everybody can hold that, experience that. You're moving through one sensation after the other, making that safe, making that home within the body. Elisa Canali: and that is. Kait Tregenza: So for your advanced students, for yourself, for example, When you come across that to be quite nuanced, you know, maybe like you've already said that you're quite good at receiving quite a lot of different aspects and quite a lot of different currencies. You, you know, you move in the of all of that in the delicacy of all of that. When you something new that you're like, that's weird. it feels like I'm not, you know, I'm open to that. Maybe it's something that you didn't even really know. And then it comes into your consciousness. You comes into your awareness. You're like, that's an, that's a new thing. Maybe you even have an example coming to mind. What's your process for really going, okay, well, how I bring more of that into my life obviously disrupting. what you've built, disrupting the safety of that. You know, don't want to go too quickly bringing some, something you're not maybe never even known because it's a new subtle thing. Elisa Canali: For me, something that has always been a challenge has been receiving... Like fully receiving my achievements and my milestones and my success. it was okay, easy, know, next. Like I never myself until now, until year, and I wrote the book about it. I never allowed myself to sit into the milestone, into the achievement, into the success. It was always like more, more, more, more, more, more, know? and more money, more clients, more stuff like that. And then all this search for more you know, the next thing, the next thing, it was toxic, you know, and I realized that it was a programming. had emotional programming I never, I was never praised. in my family for my achievement, you know, and still now like when I told my mom, my book is out on Amazon, okay good, you know, so good for you. Kait Tregenza: Mm. What do you want? What do you want? Good for you. stop speaking so much about yourself. ⁓ Elisa Canali: And so for me, the work has been really learning to slow down and appreciate and savor and stay and feel rather than running to the next thing because at the end of the day, like, even the next thing then became irrelevant, know, so doesn't matter how much you reach or how much you achieve, if you stay present with what ⁓ is now. Kait Tregenza: So what did that look like for you? What was the shift? did you start to celebrate your own, you take the example of your book? Congratulations, by the way. Even if mother doesn't say it, I will. ⁓ Elisa Canali: Thank you. I have to be honest, it's still a work in progress, of course, but for me, year, at the beginning of 2025, I started feeling completely, not burned out, numb to my success. Like nothing motivated me anymore. was like whatever, know, the business money, the clients, the retreats, like I couldn't feel any ⁓ appreciation, any for what I was And I had to stop. had take three months completely off. work the business. I off my phone for three months. I didn't any client. business was still running because I had my team running it, but I was not running anything or talking on social media, And I had to really feel, sit with that void, know, with that discomfort of... Okay, I run all my life build my success, to be the best, to this, to have the other, but like I've never celebrated it. I never really allowed myself to sit it and like at myself in mirror and say, wow. Like, I'm so proud of you. I'm so, know, grateful what you have done. Like, part of my ADHD brain and also my ⁓ why very good at business and achieving is because I've lived in a of drama in my life and chaos. So I had to be really smart to always problem solve and to always fix and to always improve and to always, you know, and so my internal operating system was on, okay, you this, good. know, it 100 out good, but what could you have done What could you improve? How can you make more? did you do wrong? Like ⁓ me, he's always looking at what did I do wrong rather than what did I do good? You know? Kait Tregenza: Also, when you're just managing chaos and drama all the time, there's no reward in doing that. It's just work. And so all got out of navigating chaos is this moment of completion before the next chaos starts. And so you're in this constant, it never ends. You don't get any... Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: It's like the idea of cleaning up your house every day just for somebody else to come in and mess it up every single day. And so you're just in this constant like, why would I celebrate cleaning a house that is going to be messy yet again tomorrow? And so I can really recognize what you're saying deep within me. Like the codes in me are like buzzing right now going, yeah, why you don't celebrate anything that you ever get done. Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: Because first of all, no one's coming around with a of balloons and a cake for you. But secondly, you're so in the habit of cleaning chaos you didn't cause that it doesn't feel like should celebrate that. I think that's a really, for anyone listening, because so many women who are high achieving have those skills because they grew up in that environment. Elisa Canali: Yes. Yes. 100%. Kait Tregenza: There's no way of like, and the other thing is when you reach a level of consciousness or awareness about yourself, to celebrate your high achievement doesn't even feel good either because you're like, this is a trauma response. Elisa Canali: There's a hole in it. Kait Tregenza: Capitalism benefits from the chaos that I grew up in. Not me. Elisa Canali: Yes. Not me. Not me. Kait Tregenza: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that it can therefore make it really hard on two levels. One well, the success of achievement still outside of me. So do I really fit? So what is the internal state of my, of my being right now? If it's not natural excitement, is that a for survival and for safety or it because this is again managing chaos that no internal reward? Elisa Canali: Yeah. Yeah. And so for realizing exactly what you said, like it all, everything in life came from managing cows and trying to Kait Tregenza: That, I think that can be a deep reflection point, right? Elisa Canali: the the cows and like shape shifting and doing this and doing the other because it the only way for me feel some sort of from my mother because she was always I am the last of three and I was an unwanted child pregnancy so she's like Thank God that I kept you because you are the best child. Don't do bad things to your brothers. me it's always been the way to be loved from my mother was either be quiet and perfect and achieve or sick. when was sick at least she was cuddling me. I realized that everything I built was in response to that trauma. I had to really rewrite my relationship with achievement with success and asking myself, for who am I doing this? ⁓ What's point? Am I doing this for myself, for my mother, that anyway she doesn't even celebrate me? Kait Tregenza: Mm. Elisa Canali: for my husband, you know, and so I am in a much slow ⁓ system, where it doesn't like, doesn't really matter, you know, to reach a milestone. If reach that I had to sacrifice myself or my well-being or my time or my health or my mental health, like no. Kait Tregenza: so much in what you were going, you're saying. I think it's fascinating for me because I have a very different way of receiving than you, which is normal. all, we all, all different, but when receive it's like, it's because in this recognition of I am an infinite being and all that ⁓ I deserve desire coming to me. The flood gates can open and my life can from this to that in a ⁓ very short period of And it's almost like. I decide, would like to experience these kinds of things. And then I shift into that. What was funny what talking about though is the to myself of how ⁓ I have done in my life to receive this. nebulous, love, approval, not just of my parents, but of almost like this very unapproving inner circle. ⁓ And it's a depleted because you do get to a certain point in life and go, I have actually stopped Elisa Canali: Mmm. Kait Tregenza: activity towards a goal that I personally really wanted because I knew it wouldn't get their approval or I wouldn't feel safe to say this is what I'm doing or, know, all of this. And so for example, when I started this podcast, I've told no that I can physically see in the flesh to me. ⁓ I've digital people, you know, ⁓ I you obviously in Elisa Canali: Hmm. Hmm. Kait Tregenza: found me, but was the way for me to realize, if I was to start doing the things that I wanted to do for myself and whether nobody listens whether, however many people listen, it's irrelevant to my reasons for doing And interestingly, I think I've been far better at receiving from myself than from other people. So quite the opposite to you. partly the reason for that is there were just too strings attached to anything. So like, I had to even understand like, am I a bad receiver? Or I just don't want to receive at the cost. Elisa Canali: Yeah. Kait Tregenza: through this receiving. And I think that can be a really, I don't know if you have advice for women going through kind of thing where the cost of receiving is just too high that it's just really not worth it because I think partly, ⁓ the answer to that is like we have to shift our beliefs and ⁓ and you know, the story around that because there's infinite more possibilities of receiving than just from the handful of people that probably don't want the best for us. Unfortunate as that is to say, but fortunately there are infinite possibilities to receive. And I think it's like, it's, ⁓ how to get that, that belief shift ⁓ that it's like, don't to stop receiving full star. Elisa Canali: Yeah. Okay. Kait Tregenza: I just have to stop receiving from people that actually are not giving Elisa Canali: Yes. And that has also been my experience. course, when I was a child, I only receive from my parents because I have independence. But for one thing I always did was being aware that in my family, there was no possibility to perceive. And so I spent a lot of time with my grandmother, who was my, for me, more like a mother. Because my grandmother was also, the mom of my mother was also terrible at giving to their children, but good at giving to their grandchildren, you know? Kait Tregenza: Mm. Hmm. Mm. Right. Elisa Canali: So I spent a lot of days and hours and months with her like receiving her. She was super intelligent, receiving like her wisdom, her story, her love, her help, because she was so good at things and she still remember like Latin and Greek. ⁓ So was going to her home and we studying ⁓ Greek and together. And so when I started there and then immediately as soon as I could work, I started working to be able to not need money from my family because the money were strange attached with other stuff. I got a boyfriend when I was 15, he was a billionaire. So I was basically living with him. and going on holidays in boats with butlers. And so for me, I'm like, okay, I can't receive here in my family, which is fucked up, so I'm gonna find other avenue to do it. And I think it's where so many women get, and also men, like in general, get... is like, ⁓ but I really want to get this ear ⁓ my family who give it to me. So I keep trying to get from that when actually it's no, you just have to give ⁓ up on that. just have to stop fighting with that and source it somewhere else. Kait Tregenza: Right. Yeah. Hmm. Do you have advice around that? Elisa Canali: Well, for sure working with... I don't want to use this word but like I had to get to a point when I was I 15 to give the fact that my mother gonna be a mother. Kait Tregenza: Mm-hmm. Elisa Canali: Like, because all all my adolescence and my life, I fought to get from her what I needed. But she couldn't. She can't. So I had to make peace give up trying to get it from her. And it's a grief. is a grief process because like, but you she's my mom or is my dad, you know, but when we, we reach a point and of course I reached it through therapy and all the things like healing, we reach a point where we just have to, realize like here ⁓ is not possible and just Kait Tregenza: Hmm. Elisa Canali: I think a big step is and forgiveness. because until we don't we forgive. And we cannot fake to forgive if we haven't accepted that human, this husband, this mother is incapable ⁓ giving what we need. Kait Tregenza: So as you pull energy or your desire from what need from this person and you can eventually that. I think the hesitation for people to pull their desires out of or their avenues for receivership out of someone is... The first question is like, where, so where do I put this? So what do I do now? Like, and that feeling of isolation or aloneness, what's, what's next thing? So you give up on it, not from there, but then what? Elisa Canali: then you stay with the grief and people don't want to stay that's the problem of our world like we don't want to stay in we want to stay out we always stay in the uncomfortable the pain the suffering like we we we find every fucking avenue to escape but The only way out is through. Kait Tregenza: And you stay there until it stops until it alchemizes. Elisa Canali: And so. You stay there until you are able to alchemize it ⁓ the lesson from it. Because I so many ⁓ women my clients like, go into with, let's say, narcissistic partner. And then they like... stop the relationship and then they jump in another relationship that is pretty much the same and then again and then again because they haven't stayed with... I with a narcissist. and he created these wounds and all these things and why did I choose this relationship? they jump into the next thinking that the other partner, the other person is going to solve the problem but it's not. Kait Tregenza: There's a way to stay correctly though, without looping in the, why did I do this? Why are they doing this? Why does nobody blah, blah, blah. Okay. in in the grief, it's not just being ⁓ stuck right? It's an active ⁓ process. you want to give some more context that so you're understood? Elisa Canali: No. For example, when opened this business in 2018 and that I... I had like a, well, worked, it's a long story, but I worked a lot of a year in corporate and then I opened with a couple of partners a recruitment firm. And then one of my clients of the recruitment firm hired me in the company. turns out that I stayed in the company a month and then I quit. And so I found myself completely lost. Who am I? What am I supposed to do? my passion? Do want to be an entrepreneur? Do I want to go back to corporate? ⁓ Do want to do ⁓ HR? I want to do marketing? What do you know? And instead jumping immediately to something else, I ⁓ six in debt. in that void, that knowing, in that uncomfortable, in grief, in crying and you know ⁓ it's messy, messy, it's not perfect, it's not beautiful, it's not ⁓ you know I needed to really spend time myself without listening to anyone else, because I've always been like, ⁓ you should do this, you should do the others, and really finding, okay, what Elisa wants to do. And so, course, when you stay in that process, I had the coach, I the I was doing all the healing, was, you know... tapping, I took my certification in EFT tapping, did things to, ⁓ not that I sat there all day crying, I things to discover of So of those lessons sit backs or problems, ultimately, are just things that our soul chooses to learn to get wiser. Kait Tregenza: Yeah. Elisa Canali: We can either see it a victim consciousness like, why is this happening to me? ⁓ my God. You know, because I could have gone into terrible ⁓ consciousness because of course I had a successful recruitment firm. I it up to go to work in corporate and I stayed a month and you know, and instead I said, know, like, I... I am the one who can this, I'm also the one who created this, not someone else. So is self-responsibility self-blame, is different, is alchemizing shame, is guilt, because especially like in this situation those are the two most common emotions coming up. Kait Tregenza: Hmm. Elisa Canali: shame because I was stupid, I was wrong, why did I do this? And guilt because I lost another opportunity, ⁓ lost two years with this partner and blah blah blah, all these stories. So we to look at the shame and guilt and work on that alchemize and also work on... really extracting the lesson, the wisdom we can from that situation because we keep bumping ⁓ into same things and the bigger and bigger and bigger the more avoid to at truth. Kait Tregenza: And that's the thing, right? When you're in your victim is a very, is a low, is a very low vibration. doesn't hold creativity. actually holds you into your slavery, you know, entanglements. And it's hard to see a future. It's even hard to see a solution. Elisa Canali: Yeah. Kait Tregenza: And then you're organizing chaos again. And so you're in this realm and this loop of chaos. And I think every time I find myself in chaos, for me, it's this external cue of you are currently in the realm of victim drama. This is not where you live. This not the place where you change your lives. Like you've got to put down the mop and the broom and walk out of that house. Elisa Canali: now. Kait Tregenza: leave the mess as it is quit job, liberate yourself just sort of start to say, if the victim going to continue to sabotage me and my life and my ideas and my creativity. I to fire that person from this job or I have to understand what it giving me? What is it giving me there in that moment? What is this victim? What have I employed it to do? And how do I get that elsewhere? And that's kind of the same idea as what you were talking about with your mother. I'm wanting from my mother so badly that I've employed her to give me something. but not what I deeply want. What she's giving me something that's very different from what I'm yearning for. I her to give me what I'm yearning for, but she cannot, she's not employed to do that. There's no contract, there's no skillset, there's no capability. So I need to go and find this thing that I'm yearning for from wherever it is. And I see the archetypes in a similar way where it's like the victim... is giving me one thing it's employed to do, that it has a skillset to do, that it's only ever going to give me. It's never going to change. That is what its job is. It's singular and it's, you one dimensional in every possible way. But to try to get something else from a victim that's not victimhood is, is, ⁓ is ludicrous. it's so stupid. You know, you're never going. ⁓ And I think that if you can see sometimes these characters in your own life as these archetypal Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: references of these one dimensional, you know, this is what I get from you. This is the relationship. You distill it all down to this very linear, very almost like a word. And that's what you're going to get from that person. That's when want that thing, you call that person. And if you start to track this, when you're in whatever mood you're in or whatever craving that you're in, you're gonna make a call for that particular person. And if you can start to change, even change it in your phone, so if it's like, sympathy, and you have to call somebody whose name in your phone is sympathy, you get a moment in that split second before you press dial to say, is that truly what I want? Elisa Canali: Hmm. Kait Tregenza: Like in your case, wouldn't get sympathy from your mother, but like you work out what is that? You know, what is that you're getting that relationship? And every time you make that call, it's like, do you want that? ⁓ That will be of the fastest ways that you could change the relationships that you have and then the phone calls that you make. Elisa Canali: Yes. Yes. Kait Tregenza: Because then that's going to change your relationship with receiving more than anything else. It's like if I keep calling sympathy, but I want empowerment. Why am I calling sympathy? That doesn't make sense. That's not getting me where I want to get to. Elisa Canali: 100 % Kait Tregenza: like actually thinking I should probably go through my phone and do that now I don't think it's a bad idea. Elisa Canali: Yeah, that's a great idea. Kait Tregenza: So, I want to come back to this receiving idea because I think it's so unique. Okay, of on from chaos and this victimhood and sabotage, we're not getting what we want. We're not getting our needs met. We shift out. We bring our energy out of person. We sit in the discomfort and we learn to alchemize. We learn to alchemize this discomforting you know, uncomfortable feelings into our power, into our, into ourself. That's going to bring us into a different landscape in our mind and our bodies. It's going to start to look different, but we're not finished yet. That all we've done is receiving something we were never receiving. So what's that next step to actually start getting what we want? Elisa Canali: Thank you. then know it's getting really honest you were saying with your needs. Kait Tregenza: Mm. Elisa Canali: Because so many times I ask my clients, like, do you believe you can get, you can have what you want? And they're like, yes. And then I'm like, okay, what it is that you want? I'm not sure. Maybe more clients. Yeah, but what does it mean? Like, how does it feel like, you know? So. we need to get really clear on what are our needs. what, like ⁓ the needs we think we need to have or what they told us we need ⁓ have, you know, it's like what do you, Elisa, or what do you, you know, really need and desire? Kait Tregenza: Mmm. Elisa Canali: Because example, ⁓ the example of the business, there is online all these like, ⁓ need to get to 100K or whatever, you know, to prove something. And I'm like, but do you really need the desire or you just say you want that because everyone say that. Do you really desire a seven figure business you just have the idea that it would be fun? Because so times we go after certain things that we want to have and receive, but they are not truly our desires. So we need to start then that void to separate what it that is you, the real you, and what is conditioning. Kait Tregenza: Mm. Elisa Canali: Because especially again, if we look from the lens of human design, where we have open centers, there are the white, ⁓ you have your chart is where you are white, where there is no color. Those are the places where we experience lack, ego, and ⁓ and So We have to look at, from your conditioning inside of your open centers, what is truth and what is something that you have been told to, that you have been instructed to, that is not your real essence. You know? So 90 % of the time we find that it was not the truth. Kait Tregenza: Yeah. Mm. Elisa Canali: You know, like was not the truth that you really wanted to on stage. It was something that you think was cool because your mother or this or that, or you build it you know? ⁓ So me, my work, that's why a lot of the time, like the clients work with me at ⁓ the have a big... crumbling, could say, because one my gifts with my, know, ⁓ Carnation and my 23 Jinky, it's really the illusion like only being with the essence. because the idea of the 23 jinx is quintessence. So in front of my energy, people can fake or hide, which is confronting. But we can build a fulfilling, prosperous, wealthy life only from truth and honesty and your true essence. And that comes through removing, you know, imagine that you have layers and layers of clothes that you have worn for all your life. then suddenly you're like, ⁓ my God, I'm so hot, you know? And you have to start taking them out and realize it, ooh, actually summer, and I was supposed to be dressed just with a dress, but I'm wearing a coat and a fur and, know. And then again, we have to go through what people in the spiritual, more spiritual side of the world talk about death and rebirth. I talk more, know, human language is grief. We have to go through a grief process of letting die what we believe was our identity. Kait Tregenza: Yeah. Elisa Canali: which is extremely uncomfortable. Kait Tregenza: And it doesn't easier, but it gets more familiar, which makes it more comfortable. Because when you start to understand that discomfort is actually unfamiliarity and that once become more familiar with something, you can become more comfortable with it because you know what's going to happen. It starts to get easier to shed these identities that are really coming from ⁓ so other people other than yourself. Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: The challenge then, I guess, for a lot of people is that they keep doing this shed, shed, shed, shed, shed. Well, there's two things. First, I'll back up an essay. The first challenge is you think you go through one identity death and now you found yourself. Elisa Canali: Thank you. now you have arrived. ⁓ you haven't. Kait Tregenza: So that can be a really big challenge. This is like these kinds of people that go on a weekend retreat and they come back and they tell you that they've found enlightenment. Good for you. I'm so glad that the retreat was worthwhile. Good luck with the next 20 years of doing the same thing every weekend. So the first time I think is almost harder than the 200th, obviously. Because there's an illusion at the beginning. that it's done, that you've cracked open. It's like, no, you scratched the surface. You loosened a button, okay? your metaphor about the coats and the layers of clothing. It's like you over in your top button ⁓ and you're saying, I'm enlightened, I have arrived. I think once you start to understand how to integrate identity collapse and Elisa Canali: Yeah. Kait Tregenza: the shedding of false narratives that were fed to you that fed a belief system that about this is who you are. And you do that from a personal level, from a societal level, from a familial level, from even galactic level, whatever ⁓ level at and operating at, you've got a lot of stuff. And it reminds me of this thing that Michelangelo said when he was carving David and somebody said, how do you know when how do you know what you're ⁓ he said, all I do is remove that, which is not David. And I'm gonna do that until he me this is him. And I if we can approach it with that same like methodology, it's like, doesn't have to be a revelation every time, it doesn't have to be. You know, in the beginning I used to keep a journal and I filled something like 10 journals and I was like, one day I'm going to write a book about this. going to want to know about all of these identities that I shared. And what happens is over the years that you do it, you throw those journals out because they're not relevant to ⁓ ⁓ at all. And Elisa Canali: well. Anymore Kait Tregenza: In the beginning, it's very interesting. You discover all these past lives and you think you're Cleopatra and good for you. Great. Write your fantasy book about it. That's great. if you keep going with it, you'll realize the true story is who you ⁓ are. Not these false realities and false stories and past lives and alternate realities that you could have been living and not the ayahuasca retreat you did and the Elisa Canali: OOF Kait Tregenza: what she said to you or didn't say to you. And it's like the miracle of you gets revealed every time you say, this is not me and you get closer and closer. But I don't necessarily think that makes you an infinitely good receiver just in that. think, I think actually what can happen is you get really good at letting go. Elisa Canali: Mm-hmm. Kait Tregenza: you get really good at pushing everything out. I'm for you ⁓ as who's naturally coded into receiving everything in, what's that level? Like you've got to this point where you're like, I think, I think I have calmness. I think I have me. I think this is the truth. I'm not getting ruffled. I'm not out of my body. There's a sense of calmness here. I'm, I don't feel urgency. I'm not being, ⁓ you know, all. There's peace here. I can do a lot with a little. can do a little with a lot. know, I find my equilibrium. So do those women who have arrived there now start bringing it in? Elisa Canali: Because when you have done this work, you have made space for the universe, for whatever we believe in, God, the universe, Source, Buddha, Allah, bring ⁓ you of you truly Because... If there is no, like from a human design perspective and a quantum physics perspective, we are always in a state of attraction. Like when people talk about manifestation. It's not that we are manifesting, we are attracting in our reality what is in alignment ⁓ our vibrational frequency and our and with our in human design that is basically our ⁓ sense of self. how much we love ourselves, how much we see ourselves, how much we are in connection with God, how much we are in connection with our mission. So not that we magically create something outside of us or we magically receive something, depending on the vibrational frequency where we are at and from ⁓ we operate, we attract either blessings blessings. And receiving is simply attraction, is simply being a state of high vibrational attraction where attract more of your miracles your blessings and your desire rather than lessens. You know, what I want people to understand is that ⁓ you, ⁓ if think you are not a great receiver, you are always receiving. Kait Tregenza: Yeah. So what are you receiving? Elisa Canali: The question is not how do I become a better receiver, the question is am I vibrating to and how to what I'm currently experiencing in my external reality. Because if we look at quantum physics, reality, ⁓ timeline happens at the same time. So the timeline where you are receiving of dollars and the love of your life ⁓ and book deal with the where you are struggling to pay your bills, they coexist at the same time. The point is, are we attracting this reality into our or we attracting this other reality? So the thing is never changing the outside. You know, I cannot change my husband because I to receive more sex or I want to receive more flowers. You know, what have to change is how do I vibrate? and then I change my vibrational level, is he able to med me here or not? Does it make sense? Kait Tregenza: Of course, and so... I think there's obviously ⁓ there's ⁓ millions women on the planet today that despite them showing up to do their work. I think that women are doing that in vast numbers. They, know, various degrees of commitment and you consciousness ⁓ of, everybody's doing it. on their own path and on their own point. But. Elisa Canali: Yeah. Kait Tregenza: We still have of women who are not millionaires, who are not billionaires, who are not even able get out of their financial So at the time that it's not about consciousness and doing the work and shedding the identities and the falseness, there must be in your eager observations of this space because it's the work that you do, it have a hypothesis as to why. If woman is really willing to work on herself, but still living in financial scarcity, and not even just financial scarcity in terms of money, but like not receiving all the currencies that you yourself naturally are receiving. the most simple example for me is the degradation of women's fashion into just wearing absolute, you know, like to, to, to wake up in the morning and just ⁓ ⁓ terrible. It just doesn't you into a place of like wanting to be beautiful that day or adorn yourself or take a moment to actually, you know, apply. Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: your hands to your skin, look in the mirror, like brush, ⁓ even just brush your hair, you know? So there's a lot of currencies that are not being received, not money. And I'm curious, ⁓ why you think that is? What is, what is your deeper analysis here? Elisa Canali: Yeah. I'll get money. So don't have like one like single one. There are many I could you. The more like out there when I tell my clients they're like, what? Or the more practical, the more out there is like. I came to a point, I'm ⁓ channel where realized we have all, women, being fed lies to keep us out of our power to keep us enslaved to a system that from everything you are describing. Kait Tregenza: Yes. Elisa Canali: from spiritual system to the ⁓ system to the beauty system to fashion industry because I worked a lot of years in fashion they all have capitalized on the illusion that we are enough and that we are not worthy. So we spend of dollars and years trying become ⁓ enough worthy. But we have to realize that those are also false identity. Those are false reality. Those are false belief. Like you don't have to become worthy. You already fucking are. Kait Tregenza: Hmm. Mm. Elisa Canali: You don't have to be enough like so many of my clients like I need to be enough like good enough, smart enough, perfect enough, da da da, in order to more money. No! this is an illusion. and you go online Instagram and everything you fucking see, sorry I'm getting really active, everything I fucking see is coaches spiritual people who should be on another vibration ⁓ who shaming women for not being enough, for not being worthy, trying to sell them their offer. Kait Tregenza: You be and therefore you are. I love it. Keep going. Elisa Canali: It's all a fucking spiral keeps us enslaved. Kait Tregenza: Guess. Elisa Canali: And so my job, what I love, actually beyond beyond anything else, liberating women from all these false illusions. Because we could an entire lifetime trying to become Worthy of Kait Tregenza: Mm. Elisa Canali: Worthy of who? told you you have to be worthy? Of what? Like you have to be whole, ⁓ worthy. You have to be, because what does it mean? I am not enough. Enough versus what? So to my more advanced client, I do this kind of challenge, them, it's very challenging to accept. Kait Tregenza: of the reasons why I asked you about the currencies that you yourself and operate within trade amongst yourself is I think that particularly under the scenario that there's this external financial system that may or may not exist, that may may not continue, that may or may not be blocking people out. We see a of trends. We're not going to divulge the conversation into those. They're not conspiracies, they're happening. Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: If your worth, so to speak, like if your entire mentality became, worthy because of my net worth and that whole like your self-worth is your net worth, your net worth is your self-worth, like ridiculous concepts of this, how reductive. But then what happens under the scenario that your net worth is now frozen? Does your life stop? Do you cease to exist? Do you cease to have worth? Do you cease to have value? And I think, um, if more women can start to understand, not only is the, the, the money and trade system built on a very, um, input out with, you know, male masculine, role, you know, it's built on the same kind of creation pathway that ⁓ male has in right? Like you make an injection and that's it. Like there's an exchange, like the exchange is very linear, one dimensional, you know, bi-directional. that's kind of it. Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: Feminine creation has much ⁓ capacity than what give to you and what you give to me. You and I having this conversation, we're exchanging but transmitting codes. The that you have and the code that I have are actually quite almost opposite. And they come together and they make a whole conversation. And then you and I sit on a ⁓ call on sides of the world. Elisa Canali: Mm-hmm. Kait Tregenza: You're in Europe and I'm in Australia. That's literally on the other sides of the world to each other. we ⁓ and transmit this conversation and we invite ⁓ anyone into this conversation to access ⁓ and the codes ⁓ that are transmitting. So you can, in the space of listening to a conversation, if you understand how to tap into energetic signature, energetic transmission, You can listen to a podcast while you're on a walk and transform your life by activating the codes within you. That's not a male thing. That's not a transaction. That's not a currency that exists in a manmade system of here's like what, what should we charge for this? You know, that's ridiculous. It's infinite value. There's not enough money in the world. So so it free. It becomes part of the female network. how much money should you charge world to birth child? Because every single government makes millions off the passport of the registration of the birth of your child. A woman doesn't get paid. She does that out of something called love that we have reduced into free labor. But love is the currency of the world, which is why it's not on the news, which is why it's Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: not being spoken about, which is why you don't see that in this current of affairs that we're in. But the more that you buy into the currency of fear, the currency of panic, urgency, decimation, et and I'm not going to say any more words because it's only giving fuel to ⁓ those but those are currencies. Elisa Canali: you Yeah. Kait Tregenza: And the reductive way we've understood this works is on money time exchanges, i.e. slavery, an form slavery where think you have some kind of empowerment. And if you happen to be in a corporate position or if you happen to be tailored into a particular niche that doesn't grow with you, Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: then you are now doing in a falsified version of you where you are not yourself. You are not the note that you are here to be. You are not transmission of your codes and your being. So you're not being paid for being You're being paid for what you give, which has a worth on it, which is where the self worth thing comes from. And you have an exchange for that. And so anytime you're in this slavery system of trying to understand what the value of somebody and to transact on that, like take note of that. You're, you're, you're propping up a currency outside of your natural way of being. Elisa Canali: We know. you Kait Tregenza: And so I guess all of my questions to you today was sort of to investigate the central theme that I was trying to understand. ⁓ Elisa Canali: And I'm sorry, I will say something. that you know, dropped in like me, the we actually born those codes. Like you were born with the code of receiving everything you wanted. You were born with the code of being enough, of the code of worthiness. The problem... that we ⁓ a lot of programming. Kait Tregenza: Yes. Elisa Canali: But why I love children, even if I don't have children. And I love spending time with children, observing them, because they are incredible receivers. is like they really believe that they can receive a pink unicorn for their birthday. Like their imagination is limitless, their of creation is their belief that they can receive like from Santa Claus, know, everything that they want is limitless. then the more we grow up, the more we are told What do you think? Who do you think you are? Life is hard. You cannot get what you want. have to prove with you. Like I remember my parents, so I didn't eat fruit growing like when I was a child. And yet I still I don't eat it. And mom and my dad, in order for getting me to eat, they were like, if you eat ⁓ amount of things, we are going to buy you a Barbie. So, know, ⁓ all then get programmed with if I what they want me to do, I'm going to receive the reward. Kait Tregenza: I get it. So why would I do it otherwise? Elisa Canali: Yeah. Kait Tregenza: But it's interesting what you just said, right? even said we receive the programming. So it's not that you don't know how to receive, perhaps you're receiving in wrong You're receiving more programming than truth. You're receiving lies than you know? And maybe it's first of all, I need to recalibrate the percentages of what I'm receiving and dial one all the way down to zero and one all the way up to 100. Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: Yeah, this conversation has been really interesting because it really has helped me to solidify a lot of different things. The takeaway for me, it's really at this point in time that... natural state of a woman's body receive that which she is here to receive is innate. Like you don't need to dial around with it. You don't need to wonder. Maybe you to wonder about what's coming in. probably a good exercise to start with, but that you can't receive anything. It's... I remember, you know, uh, channeling from Bashar one time he's, and the woman said, I'm not very confident in something or other. he said, wow, you're very confident in that. Maybe you just need to change what you're confident about. And I, and I think that's really coming up for here. It's like, you're really good at receiving. Maybe you just need to be really careful about what is easy as you are receiving. And, and for me, it's like really understanding that currency. Elisa Canali: Bye. this. Kait Tregenza: and what you can receive and the way you can receive and from whom you can receive are infinite potentials of receivership. And if you're being too controlling about what you accept to receive or where you accept to receive it or from whom or at what time of day or and... You know, really understand what you're consuming because every single one of those pieces of information is something you're receiving and flooding your system with. and then you're receiving those vibrational, attunements into that vibrational match. And that's what's coming over and over. And I go, and I that every time I've ever wanted to change my vibration, It really doesn't take very long. So we're not talking about years in the process here. We're talking several days, hours. Elisa Canali: Yes, and would say when asked me what could be one thing like one of the biggest qualities to receive is the of allowing yourself be surprised. Kait Tregenza: Yeah. Elisa Canali: because that links exactly to what you were saying before. It's like time, every night when I go to bed, I universe again, surprise And then every day is a surprise. Every day I can receive a miracle. day I can receive $50,000. ⁓ day can receive ⁓ book deal. Like everything is possible. I don't have to control ⁓ when exactly how I want it, like even with men, like have ⁓ and friends who are like, yeah, I really wanna, ⁓ know, a partner, ⁓ he has to be like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, and blonde with blue eyes and then I'm like, okay. Like you are not open to receive anything. You are simply like circumstances for you will never receive it. Kait Tregenza: Mm. fascinating, isn't it? Because I feel like the image that came to me at that time is like, it's like almost like you're going down supermarket aisles of like searching for a man. And then I was realizing, again, this comes back to feminine receivership, right? We used to live with the seasons of what was available in harvest at that time. And not, and, and, and there was, don't want to say a lack, but a seasonality to things. Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: And you started to work with nature about what was available and had a gratitude and excitement and enjoyment because that thing was available at this time of the year. Now we go to supermarkets and we fly fresh fruit all around the world. So you can have blueberries every single day. You can have strawberries every single day. And get into this cadence of thinking, I can have everything I want on demand at my fingertips. And yet. We have lost taste for ⁓ ripe, local strawberries. so we've started to live with a lot of stuff that is of lower quality, of enjoyment. And it's like, we're just like snow. Elisa Canali: Yes. It's lower vibration. Kait Tregenza: Lower vibration. so we lower our entire field down. that's why you can see this like global acceptance of mediocrity of like, ⁓ apathy, like, yeah, it's fine. But need to have all of my conveniences and they need to just click a button. And so cost of this currency of convenience is huge because it takes much away of that like natural receiving. Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: Breaking this conversation down into all of these different things that are coming to us currencies or as costs to receiving, ⁓ think is really, really cause for greater consideration about what it is you are bringing into. Amazing, amazing. Are there any other final words to top this conversation off in terms of what you would really love to really take away from this before we wrap up? Elisa Canali: Well, I mean, there is so much gold in this conversation and I feel we could speak for hours, you know, because it's such a deep topic. For me, one I want to say that I always tell people is like, stop ⁓ believing have That's gonna already liberate so much energy in your life and so much potential you stop telling yourself I money blocks, I have receivers you blocks, have love you don't have blocks. Like blocks do not ⁓ exist. Again, a man-made construction. There are blocks. You are simply pulling in in your reality so you're not blocking, you are calling in attracting which what your ⁓ ideas, vibrations, ⁓ are a match So instead of trying to solve the money blocks or the receivables blocks, look at current your present moment, because the present the only truth, is the only thing that exists. The past doesn't exist, the future doesn't exist. So the only thing we have to work with is the now. So observe now and a real observation of what am I currently attracting, experiencing right And from there, we can make different choices. Kait Tregenza: So do you think that your entire reality is just made up by every single choice that you make? Is changing your reality difficult ⁓ more complicated than changing your choices? Elisa Canali: is changing your reality? Kait Tregenza: Is changing your vibration more complicated than just changing your choices? Elisa Canali: It's both. we can, like we have to live from a state of what I call coherence. And we have to be coherent, not just in our choice, but... in energy, our our beliefs, our actions, choices, our emotion. So why always say to my client, that's why being the 1 % it's difficult. because many people are willing to actually the work consistently to keep in coherence so your reality shifts. Kait Tregenza: Hmm. Elisa Canali: Does it make sense? Kait Tregenza: It does. I have a friend constantly talks about coherence and is deep ⁓ issues. And there are many things about her life that are going very, very well and would be the subject and envy of, of many, like, you know, she travels the world and does all of these kinds of things. she has a lot of time to go into deep, you know, investigation know, what actually is coherence and how do you get there? And a lot time spent on these kinds of things. And she lives this amazing, incredible life. Elisa Canali: Thank Kait Tregenza: but at the same time is plagued by I don't know when the money's coming And I've often wondered, can that be coherent then? Elisa Canali: Yeah. Kait Tregenza: I mean, her needs are provided for, her desires and her wants are And I think is a very common situation for many women. And what you're talking to, you can talk to this example. Elisa Canali: because I cannot. I can assure you if she would have a conversation with me, I would find the crack. I would find, and that's always what happened, I would find what is the glitch, as I said, in the system. Even if she doesn't see it, there is always a glitch. Kait Tregenza: Mm. Elisa Canali: people not it or not want see it or do not have the capability to see it. Like my ⁓ biggest gift, know, women, receiving, but really see. I'm a psychic, a channel, a medium, you know. and I see you cannot see and one has ever been able to see before. Kait Tregenza: Mm. Okay, so where can people find you to get seen? Elisa Canali: It's like, it takes a convert, I'm gonna make you a quick example and then we can, you know, wrap up because I think that's so important. Like I have a client who struggled a lot with their weight and with eating healthy, taking care of herself, what we were saying, like dressing. going to the gym, like all these things. And you know, she tried Hypnosis, whatever, willpower, force, you whatever. tried everything. She had two conversations with me and we saw, I'm not gonna share things, but how everything was connected with certain trauma. we cleared that now she I think I don't know in pounds but 10 kilos in a couple of months. Kait Tregenza: 10 kilos is a lot and how long? ⁓ that's quite good still. It's not like crazy, like one week or anything. Yeah. Elisa Canali: No! And without diet, restriction, she to cook now for herself healthy food. She loves to go to the gym every single day and she it with joy. Kait Tregenza: It's the weight of that emotional trauma, right? Like it's so heavy. Elisa Canali: It's deeper than that. see where is linked and what was the source code of the When we clear the ⁓ source code the glitch of the program, everything then move. Does it make sense? So we didn't really work on should you eat? ⁓ I'm not a nutritionist or why you go to the gym? Because do you love yourself? I did something different it was like, why, like looking at the code, why she self-abandoned herself. Kait Tregenza: Yes. you Elisa Canali: where it was installed, it happened, ⁓ keep repeating and once she saw it she couldn't unsee and... Kait Tregenza: Yeah. Especially because a lot of this stuff is hidden from us, whether our, own personal memory fogs it, or it's, ⁓ know, something that happened in point time. That's not in this lifetime. That's not accessible, whatever it may be. it's not always, ⁓ and I think the number one thing that I know from someone who used to work clients. who used to work with friends, who has tried to work on myself. It is so much easier to see others than to see yourself. Always. It's like, you can go in and be the investigator in your own self and then be like, I have no idea. I have no idea. I've done everything. I've done everything. I've looked everywhere. I've looked under the mats of every room in my house. Like, it's just like, it's not there. And then you have one conversation. Elisa Canali: Thank you. Kait Tregenza: with somebody else who can see you clearly because you can't see yourself clearly and it makes such a big difference, right? So, all right, so tell everybody how can they find you? How can they connect with you? How can they work with you? the best way? Elisa Canali: Yeah. a lot on Instagram, the Then I'm on Facebook, those are the two main platform, Facebook Elisa Kanali. And then I just my book, which is on Amazon. ⁓ And the book is Too Smart to be Distired. And it's a guide for high achieving And Kait Tregenza: And I love that because we were supposed to come on and talk about your book, but this is the conversation we had. so it is, maybe we have to come back and have a part two to actually do the conversation we were going to talk about. Elisa Canali: then they can reach out via DMs and connect. love to connect with people and chat. Kait Tregenza: And do you have a website? Elisa Canali: really, no, not yet. ⁓ Kait Tregenza: Okay, so contacting me on Instagram or Facebook is the best way. Perfect. Thank you so much for coming today. I that anyone listening to this would have taking notes. think this has been a really interesting conversation. I think it people at various different levels and tap into what you can and cannot receive. Elisa Canali: Yes. Kait Tregenza: I think, you know, really feel the energy of what's been put out because it's given with so much love and so much desire for each listener to change their life and to upgrade into just the magnificent infinite being of truth that you are. And so thank you so much for coming today. Thank you for writing your book. Thank you for being who you are. Thank you for liberating women all over the world. And thank you for your time. Elisa Canali: Thank you so much for having me. Bye.