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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 178 | Rams vs. Jaguars Matchup, AFC South Review - Live From the UK · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to jack zam Ka, Nannie Stevens here, Brian Sexton,
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Speaker 1: John Oser coming to you live from Hertfordshire, England. Good
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Speaker 1: morning to those in Jacksonville. Afternoon here in the UK.
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Speaker 1: But we're getting ready for another London matchup at Wembley,
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Speaker 1: so we're going to get into our big things for
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Speaker 1: The first big thing is away we go, because the
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Speaker 1: way we go. We left early this week to get
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Speaker 1: out here practice early. It's a little bit different than
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Speaker 1: traditionally maybe the team has done at certain points. We've
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Speaker 1: been playing two games here in London the past couple
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Speaker 1: of years. But Liam Cohen talked a little bit about
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Speaker 1: what went into the decision making.
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Speaker 2: It was just something that when we talked about in
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Speaker 2: the off season that this could be a possible opportunity
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Speaker 2: for a new everything to maybe be together for an
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Speaker 2: extended period of time. It just so happens. I told
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Speaker 2: the team that what a perfect time for this to
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Speaker 2: come up, that we're coming off of a tough loss
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Speaker 2: and we've got to face a little adversity as a team. Well,
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Speaker 2: now we're together for an extended period of time in
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Speaker 2: a new setting, in a different place. Obviously, this organization
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Speaker 2: has had a lot of familiarity with making this trip
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Speaker 2: and I think our ops travel, everybody that is involved
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Speaker 2: in it is you know, really gets it.
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Speaker 1: So obviously the location isn't new. We stay at the
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Speaker 1: Grove every year, but coming early, I know the team
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Speaker 1: has done both throughout the years. Brian but Lia Cohen said,
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Speaker 1: you know that when they went through all the logistics,
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Speaker 1: they wanted to kind of get out here early, get established,
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Speaker 1: and take the time delay out of it.
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Speaker 3: But two things stand out.
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Speaker 4: When they would go on Thursday night, land on Friday
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Speaker 4: practice and practice Saturday, they talked about getting you know
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Speaker 4: that feeling back, feeling.
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Speaker 3: Good on Sunday.
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Speaker 4: Obviously, coming early gives you a chance to feel good
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Speaker 4: by the time you get to the practice field a
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Speaker 4: little bit later today. And the other thing is, and
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Speaker 4: you guys probably notice this too. You know, we get
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Speaker 4: going through training camp in the preseason and there's people
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Speaker 4: that we don't know all that well that we haven't
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Speaker 4: met on a new staff, players and support staff, and
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Speaker 4: you know, at breakfast this morning, I was talking to
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Speaker 4: somebody that I had really never.
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Speaker 3: Talked to or met didn't know what they did.
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Speaker 4: So there's something to that waking up and walking down
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Speaker 4: to breakfast and saying good morning where you normally wouldn't
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Speaker 4: and being around people and getting to know them a
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Speaker 4: little bit better. And when you consider we're in week
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Speaker 4: seven of this brand new program, there's some value to that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, nobody will tell you that it's not a good
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Speaker 5: camaraderie experience for the team. The only way it wouldn't
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Speaker 5: be is that they didn't like each other, and you
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Speaker 5: don't get this idea from this team at all. I
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Speaker 5: think Liam also this week, really wants to take some
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Speaker 5: time in practice and really work on the penalties, really
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Speaker 5: emphasize that. I don't know how much it's gonna be
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Speaker 5: emphasized when you're sitting around the rooms talking to each other,
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Speaker 5: but having everybody in one place, one focus, maybe a
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Speaker 5: touch of a training camp feel, maybe the message will
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Speaker 5: be a little more received on that front as well.
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Speaker 1: It's like a big thing today is staying put because
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Speaker 1: while the team traveled on an overnight flight on Monday,
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Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd, who was dealing with a calf injury, didn't
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Speaker 1: make the trip out here, which obviously has been having
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Speaker 1: a tremendous beginning to this season. John, when you're looking
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Speaker 1: at you know, even when he wasn't able to play
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Speaker 1: against the Seahawks, it was noted when he wasn't out
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Speaker 1: there is this concern long term.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's a concern long term. I
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Speaker 5: think what you're looking at. And Brian, you and I
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Speaker 5: thank you talking about earlier in the week. Now you're
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Speaker 5: Devin Lloyd down, Written Strange down, Quinton Morris, who's the
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Speaker 5: backup tight end. You're sort of maybe still down tra
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Speaker 5: Trayvon Walker full effectiveness, you were down Robert Hainsey the
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Speaker 5: other night. And I know it's questions ago about Devin. Sorry,
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Speaker 5: but you're in a situation where that's four or five
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Speaker 5: key guys that aren't going one hundred percent. Uh, this
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Speaker 5: is next men up and they've really got a play
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Speaker 5: well to get to the buy somehow get through this one,
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Speaker 5: get some of these guys back. But they're down some
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Speaker 5: core guys right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me in just to see where Hainesy is.
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Speaker 4: Obviously we heard good things about what Jodan Bnheim did
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Speaker 4: last week, but Hainsey, you just get the sense he
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Speaker 4: would have been an addition because of his knowledge of
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Speaker 4: the offense. Again, especially against a team like Seattle that
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Speaker 4: plit so much. In the case of Devin Lloyd, you
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Speaker 4: talked about your playmaker on defense and five takeaways. Ventro
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Speaker 4: Miller comes in and he's very good against the run.
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Speaker 4: There's no drop off, But he's not going to be
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Speaker 4: the guy who gets your sacks in interceptions and forced
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Speaker 4: fumbles and things like that. I mean, maybe he grabs
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Speaker 4: one or two, he's not the same way. You know,
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Speaker 4: you look at a team like San Francisco and they
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Speaker 4: lose Nick Bosa early, and they lost Fred Warner this week,
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Speaker 4: do you have any doubt that they'll find a way
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Speaker 4: to stay relevant or to play well.
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Speaker 3: That's what this team has to do.
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Speaker 4: They've got to play well and execute their assignment and
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Speaker 4: find a way, as John mentioned, just to get to
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Speaker 4: the bye week.
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Speaker 5: And except for Lloyd, really talking about some guys who
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Speaker 5: are sort of subtly very you know, I think Trayvon's
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Speaker 5: the best player on defense, and I think Brent Strange
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Speaker 5: is the best player on offense. But nationally people don't
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Speaker 5: look at them and say, oh, the Jaguars are really
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Speaker 5: injured because having those two guys down, plus your playmaker
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Speaker 5: Devin plus Hainsey, this is the attrition time and after
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Speaker 5: this week if they win, what's ever being to say, Oh,
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Speaker 5: the buy is coming in a good time, right, so
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Speaker 5: you can get healthy. But they got to get through
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Speaker 5: this one.
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Speaker 4: The other side, what Trayvon is is, you know what,
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Speaker 4: from what I've been told, that club is going to
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Speaker 4: be on for a month, which means that by the
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Speaker 4: time you get to Las Vegas, you know, either side
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Speaker 4: of the bi week, perhaps he can be working from
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Speaker 4: a splint, you know, from a brace and get back
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Speaker 4: to himself. So one more game where it would seem
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Speaker 4: that he would be limited.
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Speaker 1: Our final big thing today is going to be making moves.
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Speaker 1: So that's with a question mark. We don't know if
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Speaker 1: yet for sure. Obviously James Gladstone not afraid to make
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Speaker 1: any sort of trade or move in the season. We've
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Speaker 1: already seen a couple. But Brian, I'm sure you're keeping
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Speaker 1: track of this. They're making cap space. They're converting a
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Speaker 1: lot of things into bonuses, restructuring contracts, most recently Greg Newsom.
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Speaker 1: But they're giving themselves some space to make a move
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Speaker 1: by the deadline if they have the ability to get
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Speaker 1: someone they.
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Speaker 4: Want newsom Walker, Little Deanmi Brown, three guys that they
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Speaker 4: massage the contracts to create room because they were up
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Speaker 4: against it. And I think we've all heard that we
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Speaker 4: can expect more from Baselli, Gladstone and Colin when it
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Speaker 4: comes to moves. They're not going to be shy about
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Speaker 4: going and finding players. And the question everyone has is Okay,
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Speaker 4: who right? I think for our per it's more what
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Speaker 4: what position? Where do they need help? And you'd say
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Speaker 4: somewhere on the defensive line. I guess you could say
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Speaker 4: edge as long as Trayvon is out, but you're expecting
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Speaker 4: to get him back, and tight end you're expecting Brenton
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Speaker 4: Strange back. But I think you could use it help
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Speaker 4: at safety and we saw that last week. And I
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Speaker 4: think you could use help against the run. They're pretty
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Speaker 4: solid against the run, but you could use someone that
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Speaker 4: can push the pocket a bit more than we've seen.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you'd really like to get more push stouter up front.
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Speaker 5: I think we're back to a little bit where the
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Speaker 5: edge rushers Trayvon being out hurts, and then really nobody
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Speaker 5: to take any double team pressure off Josh. Somebody on
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Speaker 5: the front needs to get more push and I'm always
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Speaker 5: a little hesitant to say you can go get it.
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Speaker 5: You know, they went and got it with Newsome because
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Speaker 5: they gave up something. How much can you go get
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Speaker 5: right for the trade line? A trade deadline, I'm always
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Speaker 5: a little skeptical, but we'll see.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, two weeks until the trade but a little more
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Speaker 4: than two weeks. Two weeks from Tuesday is the tradeline.
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Speaker 4: So if there's something that you really feel like you
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Speaker 4: need coming out of the bye week, now's the time
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Speaker 4: to go get it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, stay with us here on Jagszam. Coming up after
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Speaker 1: the break, we'll do a little this so that as
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Speaker 1: we look ahead to the matchup with the Rams on Sunday.
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Speaker 6: I think he's a great player, and he's a young
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Speaker 6: young kid, but when you talk to him, he doesn't
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Speaker 6: really seem like a rookie, doesn't talk like a rookie.
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Speaker 6: He knows the offense really well. Place hard, place stuff
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Speaker 6: and first start, I mean, hell, he's gonna get He's
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Speaker 6: gonna get a lot of opportunities in the NFL and
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Speaker 6: keep rolling, keep getting better. But he's nothing but great
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Speaker 6: things to say about him. He's awesome.
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Speaker 1: SPATR McCarey weighing in on Jonah Manheim, who got his
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Speaker 1: first NFL start at center last week, as Robert Hainsey's
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Speaker 1: dealing with an injury right now, when we look back
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Speaker 1: at the offensive line, obviously not a great performance as
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Speaker 1: a group. Most sacks we've seen more than we've seen
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Speaker 1: the first several weeks before that. But Monheim himself, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if this is getting help from those around him.
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Speaker 1: Didn't have a terrible day. It's just as a group
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Speaker 1: they really regressed. It Is it just the injuries brand
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Speaker 1: that's a tough one, or didn't they face a very
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Speaker 1: good team in Seattle.
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Speaker 4: There's a very good team in Seattle. And other than injuries, Kay,
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Speaker 4: I think we've seen inconsistencies. Right Walker Little has had
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Speaker 4: a good game and then had a game where you thought,
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Speaker 4: come on, I mean, why can't we play the same
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Speaker 4: level every single Sunday? And he's not the only player
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Speaker 4: that does that. We've seen Ezra Cleveland look strong and
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Speaker 4: then he had injury, and then he's had some issues
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Speaker 4: as well. The change at at center obviously doesn't help.
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Speaker 4: McCary had the knee, so it kind of plays into it.
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Speaker 4: You know, the best offensive lineman you've had is Anton Harrison,
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Speaker 4: and so yeah, I think inconsistency has been the first thing,
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Speaker 4: and then injuries the second.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think Brenton being out helped. Now obviously
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Speaker 5: he's not contributing or his absence isn't hurting you with sacks,
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Speaker 5: but it does hurt you with an option, you know,
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Speaker 5: to avoid sacks. Anton's been dealing.
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Speaker 7: With stuff.
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Speaker 5: Elbow, ezra is you know, not but McCary, So I
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Speaker 5: think a little bit of the dealing with things. I
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Speaker 5: also think if you recall, the Seattle game was the
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Speaker 5: first time that they were trailing second half, so all
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Speaker 5: of a sudden, it's the first time they're playing a
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Speaker 5: really good defensive front and in a situation where that
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Speaker 5: really really good defensive front knows you're going to throw.
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Speaker 5: They got back into the Kansas City game before halftime,
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Speaker 5: so they never got out of running when they wanted
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Speaker 5: to run. I think they had a lot to do
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Speaker 5: with the two and look Trevor held into a couple
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Speaker 5: of sacks I thought a little bit, So I think
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Speaker 5: a lot of circumstances. I think they'll be able to
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Speaker 5: get the offensive line. I don't think you're gonna have
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Speaker 5: another seven SAT game, No, but I think it's gonna
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Speaker 5: have to manufacture good pat I'm not sure it's naturally
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Speaker 5: a great offensive line. I think it's a good offensive line.
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Speaker 5: It's gonna have to play well to be good.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 4: You have your hands full this week because Jared verse
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Speaker 4: Ann Young have been coming off the edge. They're better
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Speaker 4: edge rushers than we saw last week, and they're pretty
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Speaker 4: darn could on the inside as well. So you need
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Speaker 4: a consistent performance. I think you'll get it from Antony Harrison.
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Speaker 4: You hope that this is a week where you get
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Speaker 4: it from Walker Little and you you know, you've got
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Speaker 4: to just keep working those combinations and try to figure.
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Speaker 5: It out sometimes two in that kind of a game.
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Speaker 5: When they do get you time, you got to hit
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Speaker 5: it when it's there. We've seen that before and they
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Speaker 5: didn't take advantage of the times where you did have
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Speaker 5: a clean pocket, didn't take advantage of with big plays.
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Speaker 5: So I think it's going to be incumbent on the
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Speaker 5: offense to get some point, to get into a rhythm,
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Speaker 5: get up so that you're not playing against the chains
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Speaker 5: the whole. That's the other thing too, right, We didn't
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Speaker 5: be mentioned seven offensive penalties. Every one of those puts
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Speaker 5: you in bad down and distance. That's terrible for an
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Speaker 5: offensive line trying to block for the past.
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Speaker 1: Still little this or that. I'd love to get your
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Speaker 1: guys opinions on this. We mentioned both of these guys already.
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Speaker 1: Robert Hainsey and Brenton Stranger are both dealing with injuries
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Speaker 1: right now. Brenton we know we'll be out at least
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Robert Hainsey working on coming back.
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Speaker 1: But who's the bigger loss right now? Because I feel
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Speaker 1: like they both play such a crucial role. We've talked
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Speaker 1: a lot about Brenton's pass catching and blocking is a
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Speaker 1: huge both of it feels like almost two people have
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Speaker 1: to replace him with. But also Hainesy's calming president in
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Speaker 1: the center position obviously or in the center of the line.
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Speaker 1: But I feel like the consistency and I think maybe
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Speaker 1: just mentality is something that was missing as well. Like
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Speaker 1: I don't think no knock on Manheim whatsoever, but just
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Speaker 1: the experience and having that in there, which one is
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Speaker 1: a bigger loss to you? And I guess in terms
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Speaker 1: of getting this team back on track on offense.
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Speaker 4: I think it's strange nothing you know, against a Hainsey.
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Speaker 4: I don't know that the drop off is as big
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Speaker 4: between Hainsey and Bnheim, who's a talented guy who the
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Speaker 4: jag Wars really liked coming out of the draft, as
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Speaker 4: it is between Brenton Strange and Hunter Long. I mean,
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Speaker 4: Hunter Long has a role on this team, no doubt.
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Speaker 4: Johnny Munt has some things he can do as well.
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Speaker 4: But without Breton Strange, it's tight end by committee, Whereas
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Speaker 4: with Brenton Strange you've got perhaps the second best tight
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Speaker 4: end in the league. You know, when you look at
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Speaker 4: the best all around tight ends in the league, the
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Speaker 4: first one is Greg Kittle.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, George Kittle. The next one is Brent Strange.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I agree. I think you miss Hainsey a
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Speaker 5: lot because of the veteran and I'm being able to
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Speaker 5: get you in the right calls, and he communicates very
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Speaker 5: well with Trevor, So I think there are some there's
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Speaker 5: a lot of intangible things physically they don't miss Hainesy
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Speaker 5: as much because of Monheim, but Britain Strange is really
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Speaker 5: good and really high level, and there's nobody on the
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Speaker 5: roster who can.
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Speaker 4: Do what he does.
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Speaker 3: What could he get him both back?
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Speaker 7: I like them both, John, I was gonna say as well.
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Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked a little bit about it,
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Speaker 1: but the run game was so successful right out of
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Speaker 1: the gate, and then without Strange in the game, I've
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Speaker 1: noticed a drop off. And I feel like he played
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Speaker 1: such a big role in that that maybe you think, oh,
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Speaker 1: it's mostly the offensive line, but Brent Strange's role in
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Speaker 1: that was so huge it's been hard to replicate without him.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 5: For probably since early last year, anybody around here is
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Speaker 5: told you he's their best run blocker, regardless of position,
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Speaker 5: and maybe that's changed with some people this year. That
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Speaker 5: also contributes to the pass protection problems because they're not
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Speaker 5: as good and reliable a running team without Britain Strange.
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Speaker 5: And when you don't run as well and you've got
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Speaker 5: penalties flying up, then all of a sudden you're in
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Speaker 5: third and thirteen. Breton Strange creates a lot more The
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Speaker 5: loss of Breton Strange creates a lot more long down
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Speaker 5: and distance.
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Speaker 7: It all goes together.
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Speaker 3: When you lose.
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Speaker 5: Mayb would tell you Hainsey and Strange or maybe two
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Speaker 5: of their best three or four offensive players, and when
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Speaker 5: you lose both of them, you're down a lot.
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Speaker 4: You go back to the Texans game and Travis's seventy
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Speaker 4: yard run, I mean it was it was Strange who
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Speaker 4: came in with the wham block and sealed that. It
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Speaker 4: feels like in every game that he played, there was
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Speaker 4: a block or two that got Travis beyond the line
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Speaker 4: of scrimmage and got him, you know, one on one
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Speaker 4: where he could make a move in game, you know,
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Speaker 4: thirteen yards or twenty two yards, whatever it was. And
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Speaker 4: that's been missing without him, because he's that guy who
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Speaker 4: gets to the second level and makes a key block.
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Speaker 4: And that's that's what long in month don't necessarily give you.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, think about what the lack of footing, if you will,
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Speaker 5: you feel like you're on surefoot going out there defensively
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Speaker 5: when Trayvon's on the field and offensively when Breton's on
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Speaker 5: the field. When you don't have that, you lose part
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Speaker 5: of your foundation and really part of your stoutness and toughness.
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Speaker 5: This wants to be a physical team. Without those two guys,
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Speaker 5: they're not as physical a team.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Let's talk.
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Speaker 1: A little bit about the Rams of the opponent coming
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Speaker 1: up obviously very familiar to our new head coach and
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Speaker 1: our new GM James Gladstone, coming from that organization. Liam
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Speaker 1: Cohen obviously was there twice two different stints with McVeigh.
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Speaker 1: When you're playing against a coach or an organization that
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Speaker 1: you previously worked with and are kind of of the
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Speaker 1: same tree, do you feel like this is a personal
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Speaker 1: I'm curious what you guys think. Do you feel like
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Speaker 1: it's a pro where it's a con because they almost
16:41
Speaker 1: know everything, y'all. You know everybody's little secret tricks, what
16:45
Speaker 1: you're kind of getting into. And then do you try
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Speaker 1: to outsmart yourself to the point where you're undoing what
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Speaker 1: you would normally do on game prep?
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: My favorite story about this goes all the way back
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Speaker 4: to Super Bowl fourteen. Bud Carson, who had been the
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Speaker 4: defensive coordinator for the Steelers for years now, the coach
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Speaker 4: of the Rams and Terry Bradshaw got to the line
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Speaker 4: of scrimmage and barked out the first audible, and the
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Speaker 4: Rams adjusted and Terry called time out and went Chuck
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Speaker 4: Nolan said, they got him, they got the signals, and
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Speaker 4: so there is some of that, right, There's that idea
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Speaker 4: that Liam understands what the talent looks like and what
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Speaker 4: they like to do, and that McVeigh can understand what
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Speaker 4: Liam wants to do based on what they do on Sunday. Personally,
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Speaker 4: I think it's a pro to have a coach from
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Speaker 4: the Sean McVay tree. I went and looked between two
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Speaker 4: thousand and four and twenty sixteen, the Rams had four coaches,
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Speaker 4: three interim coaches, and one five hundred season.
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Speaker 3: That's it. Then McVeigh comes in.
17:41
Speaker 4: He's in his eighth year and in the previous seven seasons,
17:44
Speaker 4: John six playoff appearances, two super Bowl appearances, and a
17:48
Speaker 4: super Bowl championship. Liam was there when they won, and
17:51
Speaker 4: more importantly, they had one losing season after the super Bowl.
17:54
Speaker 3: He was there for that as well.
17:56
Speaker 4: So he's seen how McVeigh operates, how he puts the
17:59
Speaker 4: team together, or how the game plan comes together, how
18:01
Speaker 4: he adjusted through difficulty. I just think the overall advantage
18:05
Speaker 4: for the Jaguars is to have a coach from that
18:09
Speaker 4: Sean McVeagh tree.
18:10
Speaker 5: Well, there are coaches who shaped the league. Joe Gibbs
18:13
Speaker 5: and Bill Walsh did it for a long time, and
18:16
Speaker 5: everything followed for a long time. Off that Sean McVay
18:20
Speaker 5: is shaping the league. When you listen to Liam talk offense,
18:27
Speaker 5: I'm learning things about offensive football that you know, I'm
18:31
Speaker 5: not gonna say I thought I knew, but I've never
18:34
Speaker 5: covered anything from this tree. So a lot of what
18:38
Speaker 5: I knew before is anticated. What we saw last year
18:42
Speaker 5: is sort of leaving the league a little bit Andy
18:44
Speaker 5: Reid's tree, that West Coast tree. It's changed over time,
18:48
Speaker 5: but it's a Sean McVeigh driven league. Now what does
18:53
Speaker 5: that mean for this game? I think it's a little
18:55
Speaker 5: bit if there's a motivation edge, you know, a score
18:59
Speaker 5: that for the Jags, And I think it does help
19:02
Speaker 5: for Liam Cohen to be able to defensively. If they're asking, hey,
19:07
Speaker 5: why are they doing this, he can tell them necessarily
19:12
Speaker 5: rams tendencies, but things that that offense does in that situation,
19:17
Speaker 5: how Sean thinks. Now, Sean's going to know that. So
19:21
Speaker 5: that's where the chess game begins. So I think it's
19:24
Speaker 5: a cool game for that reason. You almost wish it
19:27
Speaker 5: was in the States, So you've been concentrating on that
19:29
Speaker 5: more because they called it the North Star. I mean,
19:32
Speaker 5: this is the first measuring stick against the North Star
19:35
Speaker 5: for the Jaguars.
19:36
Speaker 1: It feels like, I don't know, if you guys know
19:37
Speaker 1: the Spider Man meme where they all are pointing at
19:39
Speaker 1: each other, because it's like I know what you know,
19:41
Speaker 1: but you know what I know, and I'm excited to
19:43
Speaker 1: see how it plays out. We'll talk a little bit
19:45
Speaker 1: more exactly about the Rams matchup on tomorrow's show, but
19:48
Speaker 1: just some food for thought.
19:49
Speaker 4: Well, listen, you covered a distinctly different culture than either
19:52
Speaker 4: one of us have when you were covering the New
19:54
Speaker 4: England Patriots, and obviously you were with Tony Dungee, so
19:57
Speaker 4: we all kind of seen different things. This one stands alone,
20:01
Speaker 4: and if Sean McVay is responsible for the culture that
20:04
Speaker 4: we're seeing in the building, I mean it feels like
20:07
Speaker 4: football Heaven.
20:08
Speaker 3: I mean, these.
20:09
Speaker 4: Guys are all about the ball and I just like
20:12
Speaker 4: the way that they do things. And I know they've
20:14
Speaker 4: got to improve the roster a bit there. There's some
20:17
Speaker 4: areas they've got to show up. But it just feels
20:19
Speaker 4: going into this matchup against the North Stars you said,
20:21
Speaker 4: John like, Liam is really dialed in and really excited
20:27
Speaker 4: about this.
20:27
Speaker 7: Absolutely, motivation will be there.
20:29
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20:31
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what's going on in the
20:32
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20:55
Speaker 1: we are going to talk a little bit about what's
20:56
Speaker 1: been going on in the AFC South. The Texans were off,
20:59
Speaker 1: so we're skipping them this but the Titans are being
21:01
Speaker 1: dramatic enough for everybody in the division right now, firing
21:04
Speaker 1: their head coach Brian Callahan six weeks into this season.
21:08
Speaker 1: And before we even get into that, I just want
21:10
Speaker 1: to say when you make changes, obviously Jacksonville's seen a
21:13
Speaker 1: ton of changes happen before, but when they make it
21:15
Speaker 1: kind of piecemeal, I feel like that's what makes it difficult.
21:18
Speaker 7: At times.
21:19
Speaker 1: In Tennessee, we're seeing just that where you're getting a
21:21
Speaker 1: new gym, but keeping a coach and then getting rid
21:24
Speaker 1: of a coach who just drafted a quarterback, and then
21:26
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a coach in here with a quarterback
21:28
Speaker 1: that didn't draft. So it's just interesting to watch it
21:31
Speaker 1: go down in a different way.
21:32
Speaker 4: Well, so it's Callahan's second season, right, so, and obviously
21:35
Speaker 4: the Titans said to Burgonzi, Mike Borgnzi, who is the
21:38
Speaker 4: new general manager, he we'd like to see what he's got.
21:41
Speaker 4: But Burgunzie came from the Andy Reid Tree, he came
21:44
Speaker 4: from Kansas City, where he had been for most of
21:47
Speaker 4: his career, and Brian Callahan came from Zach Taylor, who
21:50
Speaker 4: came from Sean McVeigh. And sometimes it just it doesn't
21:54
Speaker 4: match up. Callahan's a guy who said to be terrific
21:57
Speaker 4: with quarterbacks. So how much progress did you really expect
22:00
Speaker 4: in the first six weeks with a roster that wasn't
22:02
Speaker 4: that good? To your point, Kai, they if they were
22:05
Speaker 4: going to make the move in week six, they should
22:08
Speaker 4: have just swept it clean at the beginning of the
22:09
Speaker 4: year and given Bergonzi a chance to bring in a
22:11
Speaker 4: guy that fits his persona the team that he wants
22:15
Speaker 4: to build with. Chad Brinker, who vice president of football
22:18
Speaker 4: operations for them, it just started to clean because we
22:21
Speaker 4: like Mike McCoy. I mean, I think Mike McCoy is
22:23
Speaker 4: a good coach. He's worked with good quarterbacks Peyton Manning
22:26
Speaker 4: and Philip Rivers. But now you're putting him in a
22:29
Speaker 4: position of having to show a lot of progress, and
22:32
Speaker 4: you're six weeks in and you kind of know what
22:34
Speaker 4: y'all are at this point.
22:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it doesn't have to be in lockstep. If
22:42
Speaker 5: if if the people make it work, if your people,
22:47
Speaker 5: but if it if it's not, it makes it very
22:51
Speaker 5: tough to get the timing right, especially with the quarterback
22:56
Speaker 5: dynamic in the league right now. Meaning now you're five
22:59
Speaker 5: games in on On not cam Ward, uh, and you're
23:03
Speaker 5: gonna have an interim coach with cam Ward, and then
23:06
Speaker 5: next year the storylines up there will be well it's
23:10
Speaker 5: really his rookie year, you know, and so the time
23:13
Speaker 5: frame can get away from me. They'll be judging cam
23:16
Speaker 5: Ward now next year, well is he a second year quarterback?
23:20
Speaker 5: Is he a first How much progress? So it has
23:24
Speaker 5: become a timing league where you almost think you got
23:26
Speaker 5: to hit reset and hope that you that you get
23:30
Speaker 5: GM and head coach in a year we had the
23:32
Speaker 5: right quarterback at the top of the draft. So it'll
23:34
Speaker 5: be interesting to watch because that's sort of we've seen
23:38
Speaker 5: that with Trevor coming up. When they can get in lockst.
23:41
Speaker 5: It feels like lockstep now, but it took a while.
23:43
Speaker 3: You know.
23:44
Speaker 4: I asked Liam before the Kansas City game about my
23:47
Speaker 4: homes and and and the standard for you know, having
23:51
Speaker 4: that knowledge of the system to be able to make
23:53
Speaker 4: all the change and how long it takes. And he
23:55
Speaker 4: went right to Trevor and said, you know this, Trevor's
23:57
Speaker 4: on his third head coach. He's on his third offensive system.
23:59
Speaker 4: You got to have consistency. So I guess it depends
24:02
Speaker 4: on how you look at it. Burgonzi may have known
24:04
Speaker 4: that he was going to blow this thing up and
24:05
Speaker 4: he didn't want too many systems and too much time
24:07
Speaker 4: to pass. Or you've created a Trevor Lawrence short of
24:11
Speaker 4: situation here for them now, and we've seen firsthand how
24:14
Speaker 4: it's taken him through some ups and downs and still
24:18
Speaker 4: working to get this offense down. So I think they've
24:21
Speaker 4: lengthened their their timeline with cam Ward, but that may
24:25
Speaker 4: not matter because the timeline is so long with a quarterback.
24:28
Speaker 1: We'll see what it looks like, as this will be
24:29
Speaker 1: their first week with a different interim coach. Elsewhere, the
24:33
Speaker 1: Colts are sitting atop the division, and I know we
24:36
Speaker 1: have talked about this every single week, but they continue
24:39
Speaker 1: to see success battle back. Got to win over the
24:42
Speaker 1: Cardinals this week and we don't play them until later
24:46
Speaker 1: in the season. So a lot of this is just
24:47
Speaker 1: kind of watching from afar. But John, they're the real deal.
24:50
Speaker 1: They're getting their wins up there. It's gonna be hard
24:52
Speaker 1: to get at if they continue on this pace.
24:55
Speaker 5: I mean, never want to let a team get too
24:57
Speaker 5: far away there. The positive for the Jags with the
25:00
Speaker 5: Colts in first place is if you stay within two,
25:05
Speaker 5: you're gonna have a chance to reel them back in
25:06
Speaker 5: really fast. So the division should not get away. The
25:11
Speaker 5: Colts have not played a great schedule. The counter to
25:15
Speaker 5: that is they are running the ball very well, and
25:19
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones in his first year there is looking consistent
25:23
Speaker 5: enough that they're five and one, So you start doing math,
25:26
Speaker 5: it's hard to see them the way they're playing. With
25:30
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones giving them consisting at quarterback, you would think
25:34
Speaker 5: they're at least five hundred down the stretch, which puts
25:36
Speaker 5: you at eleven and seven or eleven and six whatever.
25:42
Speaker 5: My math is not great, but somewhere in there. So
25:45
Speaker 5: it means you've got to win more than that to
25:51
Speaker 5: catch them. So you don't want to let them get
25:54
Speaker 5: two or three games up, because then all of a sudden,
25:56
Speaker 5: every win for you is a holding breath.
25:58
Speaker 4: I don't think they're a great team, but I think
26:00
Speaker 4: playing really good football. Shansteichen has a nose for He
26:05
Speaker 4: came from Philadelphia for the running game, and I mean,
26:07
Speaker 4: I've been open about my admiration for Jonathan Taylor, who
26:11
Speaker 4: I think is just sensational, and now that he has
26:13
Speaker 4: a legitimate quarterback under center, you have got to be
26:18
Speaker 4: worried about.
26:18
Speaker 3: What he can do.
26:20
Speaker 4: Their defense has not been as good, however, they do
26:24
Speaker 4: have some talented players. DeForest Butner still can play at
26:27
Speaker 4: a high level. Latou Latou is a young pass rusher
26:29
Speaker 4: they drafted last year that they like very much. They're
26:31
Speaker 4: susceptible at corner, where they had a veteran Xavian Howard
26:35
Speaker 4: retire suddenly on them. But if Jonathan Taylor's controlling the tempo,
26:40
Speaker 4: the Colts defense can play with the lead, which they
26:43
Speaker 4: have a lot in the first six weeks, and they've
26:45
Speaker 4: been good. It's a fun dynamic and I think if
26:47
Speaker 4: the Jaguars can keep within a couple of games, like
26:50
Speaker 4: John just mentioned, the AFC Souths can have a little
26:52
Speaker 4: respect running into the month of December and people aren't
26:55
Speaker 4: just gonna be able to get buy the worst division
26:56
Speaker 4: than football. Well, what if you've got an honest to
26:58
Speaker 4: goodness race between a a Colts team and a Jaguars
27:01
Speaker 4: team and one of them is gonna end up as
27:03
Speaker 4: a wildcard if not the division winner, That'll be fun.
27:06
Speaker 3: Good for us.
27:06
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun down the stretch with all the
27:08
Speaker 1: divisional games the Jaguars have towards back half of the season,
27:11
Speaker 1: that's for certain.
27:12
Speaker 7: That's what's up with the AFC South.
27:13
Speaker 1: Stay with us, we will tell you what's coming up
27:15
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Speaker 1: Jags Am here, we're getting ready to Liam Cohen is
27:41
Speaker 1: going to have a press availability I believe before practice
27:44
Speaker 1: today and probably the fanciest press conference area in sports.
27:48
Speaker 3: It's one of the fun things about coming here. There
27:50
Speaker 3: is in a.
27:50
Speaker 4: Greenhouse over by the practice field. It's just it's different.
27:55
Speaker 4: I mean everything here is walk through.
27:57
Speaker 7: The gardens on the way to the practice field. It's nice.
27:59
Speaker 1: We get a little fall out of it. John, This
28:02
Speaker 1: is like kind of old hat for them at this point.
28:04
Speaker 1: I know the coaching is new, but just the organizational
28:06
Speaker 1: how things run over here. Imagine is there a difference
28:10
Speaker 1: to you with coming early versus coming on a Thursday.
28:14
Speaker 5: You're here earlier. I mean, it's I've done a lot
28:19
Speaker 5: of different ways. I do think the players will be
28:24
Speaker 5: better adjusted, and I think the positive of the camaraderie thing,
28:29
Speaker 5: I do think is real. I think people think of
28:32
Speaker 5: teams as always getting to know each other, and really
28:39
Speaker 5: they don't get that chance outside of training camp, because
28:41
Speaker 5: you come to the facility, Brian, and you're in your
28:43
Speaker 5: position groups, and you're in your routine, and every day
28:46
Speaker 5: is sort of the same from the time training camp
28:48
Speaker 5: in is the very season. So the fact that they're
28:51
Speaker 5: here and they see each other in the hallway and
28:53
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, it's like going to basketball camp
28:56
Speaker 5: when you're.
28:56
Speaker 7: A kid, which I used to do.
28:57
Speaker 5: So there is an element of that that I think
28:59
Speaker 5: is upon Well, you.
29:00
Speaker 4: Have that extra time. I mean in the evening when
29:02
Speaker 4: they're done, they you know, they can go down. I
29:04
Speaker 4: saw a bunch of guys the other night, you know,
29:06
Speaker 4: playing cards, right, so they're getting that time together. There
29:09
Speaker 4: really is something to it, and I do think coming
29:11
Speaker 4: off the loss, Liam mentioned that in his news conference
29:14
Speaker 4: on Monday before the team left to come over here
29:16
Speaker 4: that because of the circumstances of a loss that's stung,
29:20
Speaker 4: it gives them some time to work through it, and
29:22
Speaker 4: I think that's a net positive, not a bad.
29:24
Speaker 1: Time to get back on track. We will be back
29:25
Speaker 1: here on JAGXAM tomorrow's we look more into the matchup
29:28
Speaker 1: against the Rams at Wembley on Sunday.
29:30
Speaker 7: We'll see then