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Episode 58: Anna Kaiser, Founder AKT · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: New Week New Hurdle. Hey guys, Emily Badi here, you
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Speaker 1: are listening to another episode of Hurdle, a podcast that
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Speaker 1: talks to everyone from top CEOs to entrepreneurs and athletes
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Speaker 1: about how they got through tough times hurdles of sorts
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Speaker 1: by leaning into wellness. On today's episode, I'm chatting with
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Speaker 1: Anna Kaiser. She's the wonder woman behind AKT, the Anna
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Speaker 1: Kaiser Technique. It's a dance based cardio, fitness and wellness
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Speaker 1: like I said, is a powerhouse. She these days is
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Speaker 1: on the brink of opening something like three hundred new
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Speaker 1: studios nationwide, and she's overcome a lot of hurdles to
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Speaker 1: get here. In today's episode, we sit down and talk
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Speaker 1: about her first rain into the fess industry. After what
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Speaker 1: I have to say is a super impressive career as
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Speaker 1: a professional dancer, working with everyone from Shakira to some
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Speaker 1: of the best choreographers and stints on Broadway and the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. We talk about one of her first teaching
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Speaker 1: jobs in the fitness industry that landed her in the
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Speaker 1: hospital with a dreanal fatigue and searching for purpose, and
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Speaker 1: she offers up a lot of really great advice about
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Speaker 1: following your passions, and she tells me a hilarious story
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Speaker 1: about her first time training one of her favorite alist clients,
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Speaker 1: and we just have a really genuine, warm conversation that
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Speaker 1: And that's it. With that, let's get to hurdling today.
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with Anakiser. She is a celebrity trainer
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Speaker 1: and the boss lady behind AKT.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Hi, thanks for having me Emily, thanks.
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Speaker 1: For coming in. I love when you say celebrity trainer
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Speaker 1: and people are like, well what does that mean?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Known for babes, some total babes, Carli Klaus, Alicia Keys,
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Speaker 1: your besties with Kelly Rippa eleven years Wow.
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Speaker 2: Why did you be meek?
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Speaker 3: Through a friend, she had been doing bar and running
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Speaker 3: and she was plateauing and not getting results, and so
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Speaker 3: she said to her, from what are you doing?
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Speaker 2: You look amazing? And so we were introduced.
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Speaker 3: We worked out on Thanksgiving Day, after our first workout,
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Speaker 3: she went home. Mark handed her a glass of wine
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Speaker 3: and she woke up two hours later and she was like,
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Speaker 3: this is the workout for me, but everyone and all
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Speaker 3: the guests had gone home.
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Speaker 2: He said, I just didn't want to disturb you. You
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Speaker 2: were so pusful you obviously needed it.
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Speaker 3: So we've been together ever since. It's our eleventh year,
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Speaker 3: four or five days a week.
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Speaker 2: Wow. And I love her.
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Speaker 3: I think she's such a strong woman, mother, boss, businesswoman,
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Speaker 3: very smart, very tenacious, and has a sense of humor
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Speaker 3: through it all. Can we just all have a sense
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Speaker 3: of humor about life? It does need to be so
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Speaker 3: serious all the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that. All right, So before we dive
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Speaker 1: into your backstory, what I would love for you to
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Speaker 1: do is tell me a little bit about what AKT is.
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Speaker 1: For those that don't know.
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Speaker 3: So, AKT is really the marriage of dance and hit training.
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Speaker 3: It's a luxury boutique fitness studio that has four different
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Speaker 3: class offerings under one roof, so you have a tone class,
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Speaker 3: a circuit class, bands class, and a dance class. The
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Speaker 3: content for each of those classes stays the same for
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Speaker 3: three weeks, so that you get better every.
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Speaker 2: Time you come, and then we throw something new at you.
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Speaker 3: That means that any dance class you take in Nashville,
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Speaker 3: California and New York is the exact same class, exact
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Speaker 3: same strength, exact same dance that you're learning, so that
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Speaker 3: there is a level of quality control that doesn't exist
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Speaker 3: anywhere else in the industry. We're also the only concept
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Speaker 3: that guarantees results because we are able to offer every
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Speaker 3: muscular contraction, the right combination of strength, to cardio's stamina, endurance,
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Speaker 3: everything under one roof. It is not based in a
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Speaker 3: single modality.
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Speaker 1: Right guaranteed results. So, I mean that's interesting. I feel
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Speaker 1: like as someone who hears that, they're like, well, I
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Speaker 1: have to go to a KT. Then if they're going
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Speaker 1: to guarantee me results, what happens if somebody doesn't get results.
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Speaker 2: I've never seen that happen. I've never seen that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what happens.
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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes it's lack of commitment.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sorr. Are you saying that someone comes to
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Speaker 1: you four times a week for those results or what
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Speaker 1: are you telling your clients out?
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, four or five times a week because you
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Speaker 3: need to get everything in one place. No one has
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Speaker 3: the time and the money to run around to five
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Speaker 3: different boutique studios. The consumer is not educated in how
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Speaker 3: much of what they should be doing. That's not you
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Speaker 3: should be worrying about. That's not what you should be
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Speaker 3: spending your time on. You should just have to show
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Speaker 3: up because that's eighty percent of the equation. So go
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Speaker 3: to a place that gives you exactly what you need,
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Speaker 3: takes the guests work out, and literally all you have
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Speaker 3: to do is show up and have fun.
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Speaker 2: So if it's not fun, it's not worth doing now.
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Speaker 3: And you know, four days a week out of one
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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty eight hours is not very long. It's
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Speaker 3: like two to three percent of your week, and it
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Speaker 3: really changes everything.
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Speaker 1: I did a lot of quick math in my head
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Speaker 1: right now just to be like one hundred and sixty
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Speaker 1: eight hours two percent. Okay, okay, I got it all right.
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Speaker 1: So guaranteed results. I like that. It sounds nice, But
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Speaker 1: obviously you didn't just come up with this method that
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Speaker 1: guaranteed results overnight. So why don't we wind it back
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Speaker 1: and talk a little bit about your backstory and where
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Speaker 1: you come from. So where did you grow up?
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Speaker 3: I was born in Canada, and then I moved to
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Speaker 3: Switzerland for my father worked for Credit Swiss, and then
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Speaker 3: we moved to California when I was in third grade.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Switzerland, do you go back?
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Speaker 2: I do?
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Speaker 3: I mean, the other half of my family is still
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Speaker 3: over there, so I wish that my Swiss German stuck around,
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Speaker 3: but unfortunately you can't really learn that to dialect. So
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Speaker 3: we were really good with English and French. But they're
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Speaker 3: still in Geneva and Zurich, and so when we get
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Speaker 3: time to go over there, we love it.
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Speaker 1: Everybody has something that they dream about doing when they
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Speaker 1: grow up, Like, it's kind of crazy when I think
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Speaker 1: about the fact that I did dream of being a
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Speaker 1: journalist when I grow up, Like, I don't know, you
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Speaker 1: can think about being like an astronaut or something cool,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I want to be a journalist. So well, congratulations,
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Speaker 1: did it? So I can be done now and retire
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Speaker 1: to some islands. So what did you want to do
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Speaker 1: when you were younger?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Many different things.
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Speaker 3: My very first love was opera. I wanted to be
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Speaker 3: an opera singer in third grade.
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Speaker 2: I remember that very.
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Speaker 3: Vividly being a goal of mine, and so my mom
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Speaker 3: enrolled me in a in a.
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Speaker 2: Choir, which was not the same. I didn't want to
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Speaker 2: sing in a church choir. That was terrible.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to be a soloist, singing the Magic flu
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Speaker 3: E Queen of the Knights Aria. And then around eleven
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Speaker 3: I realized that that probably wasn't going to.
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Speaker 1: Happen because you didn't have the pipes.
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Speaker 3: Yes, didn't have the pipes. Oh, definitely not. No, it's terrible.
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Speaker 3: I really wanted private singing lessons, but it wasn't an
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Speaker 3: option at that point because most of the professionals said,
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Speaker 3: you can't do that until you reach puberty, otherwise you're
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Speaker 3: going to ruin your voice. So you should get the
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Speaker 3: basic training in coral and choir and chords.
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Speaker 2: And learning how to sing and hold a pitch and
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Speaker 2: sing with a group and harmonies. Nope, could not hold
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Speaker 2: a pitch, eyes with a group.
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Speaker 1: All right, So the choir, chorus, opera singer dreams go
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Speaker 1: out the.
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Speaker 2: Way, go out the window.
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Speaker 3: And then then I actually wanted to be an entrepreneur.
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Speaker 3: Oddly enough, I kept coming up with ideas in the shower.
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Speaker 3: What were products that I wanted that I couldn't get
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Speaker 3: and how could I start creating those and my mom
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Speaker 3: actually helped me put some of those ideas together and
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Speaker 3: pitch them to the school.
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Speaker 2: It set the groundwork for.
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Speaker 3: Knowing that I was capable of taking an idea to fruition.
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Speaker 3: And I have to I have to give a round
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Speaker 3: of applause to my mom for supporting that. I mean,
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Speaker 3: as silly as any of those ideas were, she was
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Speaker 3: really able to lay the groundwork for me to give
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Speaker 3: me the confidence to say, no, you can do something
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Speaker 3: that's not traditional and you don't have to go into
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Speaker 3: an office every day. Let's figure it out, you know,
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Speaker 3: let's solve a problem. Let's be creative. And I want
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Speaker 3: to make sure that that continues in our culture. Is
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Speaker 3: let's not fill you know, let's step out of the
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Speaker 3: box a little bit. Let's not just walk into an
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Speaker 3: office and take a job because it's going to pay
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Speaker 3: us X amount.
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Speaker 2: To allow us to survive. But what do you really
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Speaker 2: want to do? What excites you at the end of
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Speaker 2: the day, And.
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Speaker 3: Let's step out of that box and come up with
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Speaker 3: a creative solution that's not just going to make your
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Speaker 3: life more fun, but it's going to fill a void
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Speaker 3: that's going to help our communities and the world.
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Speaker 1: At large totally all right, So you start to have
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Speaker 1: some ideas that excite you.
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Speaker 3: Yes, And also I get very involved with dance. My
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Speaker 3: father died when I was twelve, and I was unable
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Speaker 3: to talk about it.
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Speaker 2: Couldn't talk about it.
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Speaker 3: The only way that I could express myself was through movement.
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Speaker 3: So I got really busy because I didn't want anyone
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Speaker 3: to talk to me about it. So I after school,
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Speaker 3: I would stay and get involved with extracurricular activities. I
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Speaker 3: started dancing three four hours a day. I would drive
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Speaker 3: to LA to work with the most prominent choreographers in
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Speaker 3: the industry at the time. It was about forty five
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Speaker 3: minutes each direction, and I didn't care. I just made
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Speaker 3: it happen. I would get up and be at school
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Speaker 3: at seven o'clock in the morning and work for an
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Speaker 3: hour with the dance company. I really just threw myself
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Speaker 3: into it, and I had a lot to learn because
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Speaker 3: I didn't come from a background that had honed my
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Speaker 3: ballet technique to the place needed to be in order
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Speaker 3: to be a successful dancer.
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Speaker 2: You really do need to learn.
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Speaker 3: How to dance appropriately and then develop the muscles and
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Speaker 3: the bone structure to support that so that you can
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Speaker 3: be successful in a lot of different types of dance.
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Speaker 2: I didn't have that background, so I had.
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Speaker 3: To work really really hard to develop into a technically
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Speaker 3: trained dancer.
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Speaker 2: So I did. I threw myself into.
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Speaker 3: It, and then my summer between junior and senior year,
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Speaker 3: I had an incredible mentor who started the dance department
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Speaker 3: at my high school. We did everything from choreograph to
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Speaker 3: raise money for the show, audition, take classes together, rehearse.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was truly a dance company. She was incredible.
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Speaker 3: She said, go immerse yourself in the summer program, interlock
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Speaker 3: in Michigan for eight weeks and really learn the basics
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Speaker 3: of what you need to know, and then let's figure
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Speaker 3: it out if this is something that you want to do.
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Speaker 2: So I did that, I came back, I kept working.
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Speaker 3: I really really loved it, and I thought maybe this
12:08
Speaker 3: was something I wanted to do in college.
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Speaker 2: So I applied to.
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Speaker 3: I think of fourteen colleges, I got into twelve ten
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Speaker 3: with full rides. I was all set to go to
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Speaker 3: UCLA for business and I had auditioned for the UCI
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Speaker 3: dance department, which at that point was top ten next
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Speaker 3: to Juilliard, really really well known dance department. They only
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Speaker 3: were going to accept forty people. Everyone flew in from
12:32
Speaker 3: all over the nation to audition. I I just thought there.
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Speaker 2: Was no way.
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Speaker 3: It was a long shot, but I really wanted to try,
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Speaker 3: and so all set to go to UCLA. Got a
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Speaker 3: one sentence letter in the mail. I opened the letter
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Speaker 3: and it said, congratulations, You've been accepted to the UCI
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Speaker 3: dance department, and I just started balling.
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Speaker 2: I could not stop for like an hour.
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Speaker 3: I started crying. My mom looked at me, had no
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Speaker 3: idea what to say. She was a single mom raising
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Speaker 3: two girls. She had just gone back to school for
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Speaker 3: marriage and family therapy.
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Speaker 2: And I had a choice to make.
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Speaker 3: I could go to college for business or I could
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Speaker 3: go to college to be a dancer. And she looked
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Speaker 3: at me and she said, maybe you should do this.
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Speaker 3: Maybe this is a calling for you. I feel like
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Speaker 3: we need to support this dream and now's the time
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Speaker 3: to do it.
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Speaker 2: So she did. She supported the decision, and.
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Speaker 3: I went, and I have that was the best decision
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Speaker 3: I've ever made in my life. It was an incredible,
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Speaker 3: incredible four years and I learned so much.
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Speaker 1: Can we talk about the stress that happens on your
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Speaker 1: body when you're dancing. I mean, obviously this kind of
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Speaker 1: goes hand in hand with what you're doing now as well,
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Speaker 1: working out so often. But what kind of stress were
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Speaker 1: you're putting your body under at that time dancing so frequently.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, my body was built to support that,
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Speaker 3: so I didn't have I could. I couldn't do enough, honestly.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes I was in the gym at midnight, like working
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Speaker 3: on my stuff, coreographing, working out, working through some of
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Speaker 3: the ideas in my head. Then I would get up
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Speaker 3: and we would take class and rehearse for six to
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Speaker 3: eight hours a day. But it's not It's different, you know,
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Speaker 3: because you're in a room rehearsing stop and go, stop
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Speaker 3: and go, stop and go.
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Speaker 2: You're not just going for six to eight hours. It's
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Speaker 2: more about the mental endurance than the physical endurance. I mean,
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Speaker 2: because while you're doing that, you're also developing the strength
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Speaker 2: that you need to do it, and totally you know,
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Speaker 2: you continue down that path.
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Speaker 3: But it was I mean, at one point I was
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Speaker 3: performing Paul Taylor's Esplanade and the skin on the bombs
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Speaker 3: of my feet had come off completely and I had
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Speaker 3: to wrap my feet in tape and gauze to be
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Speaker 3: able to continue doing it, because you couldn't wear shoes
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Speaker 3: to do it, so.
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Speaker 2: You to keep going.
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Speaker 3: There was a crack down the center of one of
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Speaker 3: my feet. I mean, there were definitely moments when that
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Speaker 3: were challenging, but I loved it so much it didn't matter,
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Speaker 3: and that was part of the plight of the dancer.
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Speaker 3: You have to get through those and the strong will survive,
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Speaker 3: and you learn more and more as you do.
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Speaker 1: So you're dancing and dancing, you're graduating college and then
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing this just leads you to New York. It
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Speaker 1: does as all dancers too, well, not all dancers.
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Speaker 2: But I had done the la thing. I did not.
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Speaker 3: Want to be an industry performer in music videos and
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Speaker 3: that wasn't interesting to me. I wanted to be an artist.
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Speaker 3: So I moved to New York to dance for modern
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Speaker 3: dance companies.
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Speaker 2: And that was at that point.
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Speaker 3: I had been dancing for companies for five years. I
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Speaker 3: actually danced for Donald McHale for three of those years,
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Speaker 3: who just recently passed. He was one of the one
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Speaker 3: of the founders of modern dance in New York City,
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Speaker 3: with Martha Graham and Alvin Ailey. They still perform his
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Speaker 3: works to this day. I was so blessed to be
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Speaker 3: one of the youngest people to be accepted into his company,
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Speaker 3: and he was one of the greatest mentors I've ever had.
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Speaker 3: So he was one of the people that pushed me
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Speaker 3: to move to New York City and continue my career
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Speaker 3: as a concert dancer after.
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Speaker 2: Five years of that.
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Speaker 3: And again, you're taking class in the morning and you're
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Speaker 3: rehearsing for six hours post class, so at this point
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Speaker 3: it's about seven and a half hours of your day.
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Speaker 2: You have to go home, get ready.
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Speaker 3: Every day as an audition, there's four hundred people waiting
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Speaker 3: to take your spot.
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Speaker 2: It's just a lot of pressure. And then it.
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Speaker 3: Stopped being fun. It started feeling like work, and I said,
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Speaker 3: you know what, I want to have fun again. So
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Speaker 3: I went out, I auditioned, I booked then international tour
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Speaker 3: of fame. I went over to Europe and danced there,
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Speaker 3: came back. Actually booked a DVD for Denise Austin in
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Speaker 3: two thousand and three. It was her first customizable DVD
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Speaker 3: back in the day before.
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Speaker 2: We had on demand online anything.
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Speaker 3: And that was my first Foray into fitness really from
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Speaker 3: on the professional side of fitness, and then I went
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Speaker 3: on to do the Disney movie Enchanted with the choreographer
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Speaker 3: the de Mulin Rouge. I helped in the pre production
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Speaker 3: of that. It was shot in New York City. It
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Speaker 3: was such an in credible.
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Speaker 2: Moment to be a part of TV commercials.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I pretty much should any anything in everything
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Speaker 3: I wanted to do as a dancer. I was so lucky,
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Speaker 3: so blessed, and I've worked my ass off, to be honest.
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Speaker 3: My last job was dancing and choreographing for Shakira. I
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Speaker 3: was helping her create the Sheebel.
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Speaker 2: Video for the Bahamas in the Bahamas for six weeks
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Speaker 2: and then we went to La to shoot the video.
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Speaker 3: Hair and makeup, heavy wig. You know, shoes on plex
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Speaker 3: on a plexiglass stage. Hurry up and wait, hurry up
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Speaker 3: and wait, hurry up and wait for twelve hours. Finally,
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Speaker 3: four o'clock.
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Speaker 2: In the morning, I am standing on that stage.
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Speaker 3: They're like, all right, you guys, are up. I have
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Speaker 3: three chances to get this right. Four o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 3: And I just looked around and said, you know what,
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Speaker 3: this is my last job I've done everything I've wanted.
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Speaker 2: To do, and now is the time to move on and.
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Speaker 3: Do something, figure out what the next step of my
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Speaker 3: life is going to be.
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Speaker 1: Did you have any interest at that time to get
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Speaker 1: specifically into fitness.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: So while all of this exciting dance stuff was happening,
18:04
Speaker 3: I also paralleled that journey with my journey in fitness.
18:07
Speaker 3: So I moved to Norry Sitting in two thousand and
18:10
Speaker 3: two started dancing, but the same time I also started
18:12
Speaker 3: working at the Rebox Sports Club New York, which at
18:15
Speaker 3: that point was the premiere gym. There were no boutique
18:18
Speaker 3: fitness studios. If you wanted to be in fitness, you
18:20
Speaker 3: had to work at a gym, and that was the
18:21
Speaker 3: place to work. So I started teaching dance fitness, a
18:26
Speaker 3: ballet body strength class kind of like a bar class,
18:31
Speaker 3: and then a yogas stretch class, And I remember I
18:35
Speaker 3: walked into the group ex director's office and said I
18:38
Speaker 3: want to teach her.
18:39
Speaker 2: She looked at me like I was crazy.
18:40
Speaker 3: People worked for years to teach at that gym, proved
18:44
Speaker 3: themselves and develop the following and I.
18:46
Speaker 2: Was so confident.
18:48
Speaker 3: So she didn't give it to me at first, But
18:51
Speaker 3: then there was a sloth that opened up at nine
18:52
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning, and she said, all right, I'm
18:54
Speaker 3: gonna give you a chance.
18:55
Speaker 2: What do you want to teach? So I said, all
18:56
Speaker 2: I'm going to teach ballet body.
18:58
Speaker 3: And after five weeks I walked back into her office
19:01
Speaker 3: and said, no, I'm terrible.
19:03
Speaker 2: This class is not building. I'm so sorry.
19:06
Speaker 3: I have so much to learn, and she just laughed
19:08
Speaker 3: and said, that's fantastic, thank you for coming to me.
19:12
Speaker 3: You know, will continue talking as you learn more. So
19:16
Speaker 3: I got better and better and better, and then I
19:18
Speaker 3: was actually given classes on the schedule dance, fitness, strength.
19:22
Speaker 2: And yoga inspired stretch.
19:24
Speaker 3: And then while that was happening, I was also getting
19:27
Speaker 3: certified and wanting to learn more about the body.
19:29
Speaker 2: And continuing my journey and education.
19:31
Speaker 3: So I was certified in National Commy of Sports Medicine,
19:34
Speaker 3: Corrective Exercise, pre post natal yoga, pilates. I went back
19:39
Speaker 3: to study with the cadavers at Mount Sinai and really
19:42
Speaker 3: understand the body from the inside out and how to
19:45
Speaker 3: prevent injuries. I did everything as a consumer too. I
19:48
Speaker 3: did pilates until I couldn't do another hundred and I
19:50
Speaker 3: was so bored. I did yoga until sun Salitation A
19:54
Speaker 3: and B series just were not interesting to me anymore.
19:58
Speaker 3: I really didn't get anything out of that and didn't
20:00
Speaker 3: enough cardio, and I felt like that yoga it was hard.
20:04
Speaker 2: To find a good yoga teacher. They were allowed disingenuous
20:07
Speaker 2: yoga teachers. And then I.
20:09
Speaker 3: Went to powerlifting because I was dating a powerlifter and
20:12
Speaker 3: I lost my neck.
20:14
Speaker 2: And then I went to.
20:15
Speaker 3: Spin with you know the people that started Flywheel back
20:19
Speaker 3: in the day on the pod and she was at
20:22
Speaker 3: Rebox Sports. Yes, we were both there at the same
20:25
Speaker 3: time teaching and I couldn't fit into my jeans. I'm
20:28
Speaker 3: a small person. That didn't work for me either. And
20:31
Speaker 3: while I was trying all of these things, I always
20:33
Speaker 3: went back to dance to reset and get back to
20:37
Speaker 3: where I wanted to be overall functionally with strength and
20:41
Speaker 3: cardio and the creative inspiration that dance springs. So while
20:46
Speaker 3: all these things were happening, I was booked to to
20:52
Speaker 3: do the Beach Body in Sandy Video that was back
20:55
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, and that was my first
20:57
Speaker 3: introduction into interval training, which I loved, and it was
21:01
Speaker 3: really such an effective and efficient way to train but
21:04
Speaker 3: it was built for a man's body, at least the
21:07
Speaker 3: way they were doing it at Beach Body. So it
21:09
Speaker 3: got me thinking, if there was a way for me
21:12
Speaker 3: to combine all of these things I loved with dance
21:17
Speaker 3: in an interval style format, so you really did get
21:21
Speaker 3: that efficient and effective workout, but in a much more
21:24
Speaker 3: fun way and built for a woman's body, a much
21:29
Speaker 3: leaner figure overall. That would be transformative, That would be revolutionary.
21:35
Speaker 3: No one's doing that, So I set out to create that,
21:38
Speaker 3: all right. So and that was Oh, by the way,
21:40
Speaker 3: that was the exact same year that I ended up
21:43
Speaker 3: on Stave with Shakira, So my two worlds sort of
21:46
Speaker 3: dovetailed and collided.
21:48
Speaker 1: Okay, so around this time is when you actually just
21:51
Speaker 1: start dancing a whole lot. Yes, yes, so what happens then?
21:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was booking everything right and left I started working.
22:00
Speaker 2: That was also right.
22:02
Speaker 3: When the boutique boom happened, and I started working with
22:05
Speaker 3: different boutique fitness studios, one of which was a dance
22:09
Speaker 3: based studio or aerobics in a really hot room, and
22:13
Speaker 3: I was sweating and doing so much aerobics that I
22:17
Speaker 3: ended up in the hospital.
22:18
Speaker 2: My drenals failed.
22:21
Speaker 3: I I was shaking, I couldn't move for four days,
22:24
Speaker 3: and I said, something's got to give. This is not okay,
22:27
Speaker 3: this is not healthy, and I need to figure out
22:30
Speaker 3: a better solution because it's not just me. This is
22:33
Speaker 3: affecting a lot of people. So and it was really
22:35
Speaker 3: the breaking point for me. I had done everything in fitness,
22:38
Speaker 3: I had done everything in dance, and I wanted to
22:41
Speaker 3: find sustainable solution that I was excited about that was
22:45
Speaker 3: creatively fun and stimulating, but also smart and based in
22:48
Speaker 3: sports medicine and effective and different than anything else that
22:52
Speaker 3: was being offered in fitness.
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Speaker 1: to it. A lot of things go into creating a method,
24:05
Speaker 1: creating a way, opening a studio. So at the beginning,
24:10
Speaker 1: did you feel just so overwhelmed or was it more
24:14
Speaker 1: of this sense of excitement.
24:16
Speaker 2: Oh? No, it was definitely excitement. I didn't. I didn't.
24:20
Speaker 3: There was no pressure, there was no timeline. I just
24:23
Speaker 3: wanted to play and figure out what that was. And
24:26
Speaker 3: so I was living in an apartment building with a gym,
24:30
Speaker 3: and I would invite friends over a few times a week,
24:33
Speaker 3: and I would give class.
24:36
Speaker 2: I would rent the space out downstairs.
24:38
Speaker 3: And I would always give a different class and try
24:40
Speaker 3: and figure out.
24:41
Speaker 2: I took feedback. It took a lot of feedback.
24:43
Speaker 3: Would switch it up, try something new, switch it up,
24:46
Speaker 3: try something new. And then one of my friends moved
24:49
Speaker 3: to New Canaan, Connecticut b Market New Caan, Connecticut.
24:52
Speaker 2: And said, I'd love to meet some people out here.
24:55
Speaker 3: Would you mind calming and teaching a class and we'll
24:57
Speaker 3: get some girls together. So that class turned into a
25:01
Speaker 3: class every week, which turned into two classes every week,
25:03
Speaker 3: which turned into three classes every week, and I started
25:05
Speaker 3: to hone the class model for this concept. It changed
25:10
Speaker 3: dramatically from the first day I taught to the end
25:14
Speaker 3: of that year, it really became what it is today,
25:17
Speaker 3: which is a dance based interval workout where I was
25:21
Speaker 3: able to combine everything that I loved on the strength
25:24
Speaker 3: and dynamic flexibility portion of the workout with the excitement
25:28
Speaker 3: of dance and dance cardio.
25:31
Speaker 1: And that's pretty applicable to everything in life, right because
25:33
Speaker 1: I feel like so often we have this idea of
25:35
Speaker 1: where we think we're going to go and what we
25:37
Speaker 1: need to do to get there, but it doesn't always
25:40
Speaker 1: happen as we plan.
25:41
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
25:44
Speaker 3: And I love the organic growth of it because that
25:47
Speaker 3: really is the way fitness thrives is getting into your community,
25:53
Speaker 3: figuring out what the community needs and filling that void,
25:56
Speaker 3: and then also doing something that you love really important.
25:59
Speaker 3: So I was able to to sort of cultivate that
26:01
Speaker 3: in a small B market community, and then at the
26:04
Speaker 3: end of that year, I said, you know what, it's time.
26:08
Speaker 3: I want to take this to New York. I want
26:09
Speaker 3: to try this in name market. So I found a
26:12
Speaker 3: space in Tribeca and baited in a NA market for
26:14
Speaker 3: a year, and again from day one to the end
26:18
Speaker 3: of that year, that workout changed dramatically. It was not
26:21
Speaker 3: the same workout I went in with, but I needed
26:24
Speaker 3: those two years to hone the class model, figure out
26:27
Speaker 3: what it was. And then I said, okay, now it's time.
26:31
Speaker 2: Let's build a space.
26:32
Speaker 1: What are you using money wise to support yourself while
26:35
Speaker 1: you're in this like incubation phase, because I think that's
26:37
Speaker 1: something that holds a lot of people back when they
26:38
Speaker 1: have these big ideas. They're like, well, how am I
26:40
Speaker 1: going to support myself while and building this big thing
26:42
Speaker 1: which isn't bringing in that much money, And then I
26:44
Speaker 1: also need all of this money to build this other
26:45
Speaker 1: thing that I want to do.
26:46
Speaker 2: It's just a Yeah, that's a lot, you know. I know.
26:51
Speaker 3: So I had saved up a lot of money before
26:54
Speaker 3: doing that because I was working everywhere five jobs at
26:58
Speaker 3: once as you know, along that journey. And then also
27:03
Speaker 3: I was making money teaching and training.
27:05
Speaker 2: But it was enough to survive.
27:07
Speaker 3: That's and that was all that mattered at that point.
27:09
Speaker 3: I didn't want to lose money, but I needed to
27:11
Speaker 3: be able to survive. So, yes, if you're building something,
27:14
Speaker 3: you probably have to do another job or save work
27:18
Speaker 3: really hard up into that point to save up so
27:20
Speaker 3: that you do have the creative space and time to
27:24
Speaker 3: not feel stressed and to work within those parameters to
27:27
Speaker 3: build something new.
27:29
Speaker 2: I don't I mean, I think there are very few.
27:31
Speaker 3: People that can just go into an incubation period and
27:34
Speaker 3: not work another job and not have to build something
27:38
Speaker 3: up into that point.
27:40
Speaker 2: So I did both.
27:41
Speaker 3: I saved money and then I also worked my ass off,
27:44
Speaker 3: like sixteen eighteen hours a day.
27:47
Speaker 1: So the studio you built, your first studio was not
27:50
Speaker 1: in Dribeca.
27:51
Speaker 3: No, it was on the Upper east Side. Yes, yes,
27:55
Speaker 3: we found a beautiful space there. I had clientele that
27:59
Speaker 3: was coming down to Tribeca from the Upper east Side,
28:02
Speaker 3: and I actually my very first space I found was
28:05
Speaker 3: in Soho and I had the plans, I had the
28:08
Speaker 3: architect the space, and six months.
28:10
Speaker 2: Later it fell through.
28:12
Speaker 3: The landlord had issues with the building and so I
28:15
Speaker 3: lost all of it.
28:16
Speaker 2: And we talk about that a little bit.
28:17
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, I say this all the time,
28:20
Speaker 1: but I feel like, whether you're an entrepreneur, you're not.
28:23
Speaker 1: There are so many things in life that you get
28:25
Speaker 1: excited about, like a little twinkle if something comes to
28:27
Speaker 1: you and you're like, oh my god, this is going
28:29
Speaker 1: to be so great. And it's almost as though I've
28:31
Speaker 1: kind of coached myself to not allow myself to get
28:34
Speaker 1: that excited until it's signed on the dotted line. Yes,
28:36
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's like if that's sad
28:39
Speaker 1: that I do that now, or if it's smart.
28:41
Speaker 2: Or oh it's one hundred percent smart.
28:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:44
Speaker 2: I was the same way I signed on the dotted line.
28:47
Speaker 3: I had the plans, everything was happening, it was in
28:51
Speaker 3: the right area, it was very exciting, and then it
28:54
Speaker 3: fell through. And you know those things are going to
28:56
Speaker 3: happen over and over again when you're starting something new,
28:58
Speaker 3: even if you've put ink to paper and you think
29:01
Speaker 3: it's gonna everything's going to fall into place.
29:03
Speaker 1: How do you lift yourself up after a hurdle like that?
29:06
Speaker 2: You just keep going.
29:06
Speaker 3: You have to keep going. You can't stop. At that
29:09
Speaker 3: point then it's almost worse than never starting. So went
29:13
Speaker 3: back to the drawing board, continue to teach classes in
29:16
Speaker 3: the rented space, and started looking for more space.
29:20
Speaker 2: I mean, space in New York City is tough. It
29:22
Speaker 2: is certainly a hurdle no matter what business you're in.
29:25
Speaker 3: And I you know, I've had multiple leyes fall through
29:29
Speaker 3: and you just keep at it.
29:30
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of time.
29:31
Speaker 3: It was a huge part of my life and journey
29:34
Speaker 3: that I don't really talk about that often, but you know,
29:37
Speaker 3: starting a business is a really big undertaking.
29:40
Speaker 1: So from when you signed that original lease to when
29:43
Speaker 1: you actually opened your Upper east Side location, how long
29:46
Speaker 1: of the time period is that?
29:48
Speaker 2: Almost two years? Wow, you're in nine months.
29:51
Speaker 1: It's a long time to feel like you're in limbo.
29:53
Speaker 2: Yes, it was, Yeah, it was a long time.
29:55
Speaker 1: So you open the Upper east Side studio, how long
29:57
Speaker 1: between then? Spoiler alert Upper east Side and and then
30:00
Speaker 1: you go to open your.
30:01
Speaker 2: Sale akat Nomad and AKT East Hampton.
30:04
Speaker 3: Two years after so I opened up east Side in
30:07
Speaker 3: January of twenty fourteen, and I opened AKT East Hampton
30:12
Speaker 3: summer of twenty fifteen, and AKT no Mead Fall of
30:15
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen.
30:16
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're just rolling right along now and then
30:19
Speaker 1: spoiler alert round two. I mean, there's so many more
30:22
Speaker 1: to come at the moment.
30:23
Speaker 3: Yes, So last year March twenty eighteen, I partnered with
30:28
Speaker 3: Exponential Fitness to franchise AKT. So now I can actually
30:32
Speaker 3: scale the concept to hit the rest of the US
30:36
Speaker 3: with an incredible operations partner that has approven track record
30:40
Speaker 3: in scaling luxury boutique fitness and understands how important quality
30:45
Speaker 3: control is, and bring something brand new to the market
30:50
Speaker 3: for the very first time. There have been no other
30:52
Speaker 3: dance concepts that've scaled nationally ever, were the very first
30:56
Speaker 3: one scary.
30:57
Speaker 2: No exciting.
30:59
Speaker 3: So now let's see, it's been eight years since I
31:03
Speaker 3: originally set out to create AKT and finally we are
31:07
Speaker 3: able to bring it to markets outside of New York
31:13
Speaker 3: City for the very first time.
31:15
Speaker 2: It's really exciting.
31:16
Speaker 1: It's exciting.
31:16
Speaker 2: We're ready, We're ready, We're ready.
31:19
Speaker 1: I was doing some research before you walked in and
31:21
Speaker 1: you told Elle Ones that someone told you that to
31:25
Speaker 1: find true happiness you need three things. Yes. Someone to love, Yes,
31:29
Speaker 1: something to do, Yes, something to look forward to.
31:31
Speaker 2: Yes.
31:32
Speaker 1: Who do you love?
31:33
Speaker 2: Oh? So many people.
31:36
Speaker 3: And I love my family, my husband, my baby boys
31:42
Speaker 3: two and a half.
31:43
Speaker 2: I love my clients that I get to see every day.
31:46
Speaker 2: I love my team. I have the best team ever.
31:50
Speaker 3: I'm happy every time every day I go into work.
31:55
Speaker 2: You're something to do, something to do? Yes, my work.
32:00
Speaker 3: I am admittedly a workaholic, but it's because I love
32:02
Speaker 3: it so much, and I try and find a way
32:06
Speaker 3: to bring a little bit of my personal life into that,
32:09
Speaker 3: a little bit of my work and my personal life
32:10
Speaker 3: at all and all of our laps. And then something
32:13
Speaker 3: to look forward to right now is this expansion. It's
32:17
Speaker 3: my growing family, it's my growing team. It's giving so
32:20
Speaker 3: many men and women the chance to be business owners
32:23
Speaker 3: and entrepreneurs all over the United States with the amazing
32:26
Speaker 3: support of Exponential and Akta and all of our background,
32:31
Speaker 3: both on the creative and the operation side.
32:33
Speaker 1: I'm a workaholic too, but in the last couple of years,
32:36
Speaker 1: I've really worked more on giving back to myself and
32:39
Speaker 1: finding those smaller aspects of self care, which might not
32:42
Speaker 1: be traditional self care to everybody else. So how do
32:45
Speaker 1: you give back to yourself aside from moving your body?
32:48
Speaker 1: Because I think I feel about running as you feel
32:50
Speaker 1: about dance, and so I run and that's how I
32:53
Speaker 1: get back to myself.
32:54
Speaker 2: But what else do you do? It's such a great question.
32:57
Speaker 3: My husband and I always joke about the fact that
33:00
Speaker 3: that I have the best job because I run indorphins
33:02
Speaker 3: all day long and most people don't get the opportunity
33:05
Speaker 3: necessarily to work out every day because life is very busy.
33:08
Speaker 3: But outside of that, I've recently found acupuncture to be
33:11
Speaker 3: very helpful to balance the yin and the yang, and
33:16
Speaker 3: also you have the opportunity to meditate while you're getting
33:19
Speaker 3: acupuncture done and allowing your body to relax and reset
33:23
Speaker 3: on both physical and spiritual level too.
33:26
Speaker 2: I found it to be really helpful, So I love that.
33:28
Speaker 3: I also think that time alone, time to think, where
33:33
Speaker 3: you put the phone down, you walk through the park
33:35
Speaker 3: and you think big picture and you're just out in
33:37
Speaker 3: the world taking it in and thinking is so overrated.
33:41
Speaker 3: I mean, we really need to do more of that,
33:43
Speaker 3: or just sit at home with a cup of coffee
33:45
Speaker 3: and think like, don't keep yourself busy with all these
33:48
Speaker 3: things that can keep us busy. Now, I mean, we
33:50
Speaker 3: have everything with us at all time, smartphones, but allowing
33:54
Speaker 3: yourself that space to think about your day, about the
34:00
Speaker 3: next step in your job, your journey, your life, your family,
34:03
Speaker 3: whatever it is, whatever comes to mind or not, or
34:05
Speaker 3: just being still. But those things are really important to
34:08
Speaker 3: help balance the kurdles that we go we handle every.
34:10
Speaker 1: Day totally all right. And then I mean you're constantly
34:14
Speaker 1: providing a source of I guess, calm, relaxation and outlet
34:20
Speaker 1: for the people that come into your studios. Where do
34:23
Speaker 1: you draw your inspiration from to provide inspiration to them?
34:28
Speaker 2: Music.
34:28
Speaker 3: Music is one of my biggest sources of inspiration. It
34:31
Speaker 3: gets me moving, drives me. If there is a day
34:34
Speaker 3: or a moment where I feel like it's hard to
34:36
Speaker 3: get myself going or hard to create, I get into
34:39
Speaker 3: a space and I put music on and then.
34:43
Speaker 2: I'll have a friend in the room that could also
34:46
Speaker 2: give back energy. So it's not just.
34:49
Speaker 3: It's not just an empty open space that needs to
34:52
Speaker 3: be filled, but there's conversation happening, there's energy moving and
34:55
Speaker 3: then I play. But you have to give yourself time
34:58
Speaker 3: to play. It's not just going to calme. I never
35:00
Speaker 3: know when creative.
35:01
Speaker 2: Inspiration is going to hit.
35:02
Speaker 3: That's one of the hardest parts of the job is
35:04
Speaker 3: I can set time aside and try and walk into
35:06
Speaker 3: that room and make it happen, and sometimes it doesn't.
35:08
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm a genius and it happens in ten minutes.
35:12
Speaker 3: You just never know, and you sort of have to
35:14
Speaker 3: keep yourself open to that.
35:16
Speaker 1: A popular question that I get often is how do
35:18
Speaker 1: I find the motivation to work out? And a lot
35:20
Speaker 1: of the time that is by teaming up with a
35:22
Speaker 1: friend or someone that can hold me accountable for what
35:25
Speaker 1: we have going on and also make the whole thing
35:27
Speaker 1: more fun. So for someone that also might be struggling
35:29
Speaker 1: to find the motivation. I mean, you're talking about clientsele
35:31
Speaker 1: coming into your studios four times a week to get
35:34
Speaker 1: guaranteed results, Like what do you say to them to
35:37
Speaker 1: make them to help them keep going when it feels tough.
35:41
Speaker 3: A lot of boutique studios in New York City don't
35:44
Speaker 3: allow space or haven't put space aside for the community.
35:48
Speaker 3: Really having that home base where you can come you
35:52
Speaker 3: can meet members of the community.
35:53
Speaker 2: It's just as important as the workout.
35:56
Speaker 3: Some people are just interested in getting as many people
35:58
Speaker 3: in the room as possible getting them out. I really
35:59
Speaker 3: want to create a home where you could come and
36:02
Speaker 3: meet people and hang out before and after class, beautiful locker.
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Speaker 2: Rooms, infrared sauna, make some friends.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's so much more fun when you go
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Speaker 3: and you support one another. And it's so hard to
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Speaker 3: meet people in the city or even over the age
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Speaker 3: of thirty in general, because we're all so busy doing
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Speaker 3: different things. That's the place they come to work out
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Speaker 3: with their friends and dance with their friends. They walk
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Speaker 3: out of that class and they're running on doorphins and
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Speaker 3: they feel so focused and excited to hit the ground running,
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Speaker 3: and they inspire one another. We have so so much
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Speaker 3: networking and sheeoing happening, and I love walking into the
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Speaker 3: studio and seeing those conversations happen and people are inspiring
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Speaker 3: each other. So that's a huge part of staying motivated
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Speaker 3: and inspired to show up is the community. And the
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Speaker 3: way you feel after a fantastic workout that gets your
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Speaker 3: heart going and your mind focused and spinning.
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Speaker 2: Is that's the benefits of that are huge.
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Speaker 3: So that's one part of it, and then also having
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Speaker 3: them notice your results. Friends are saying you look amazing,
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Speaker 3: and that's.
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Speaker 2: A huge motivator. Two to keep yourself going. But it's
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Speaker 2: not always about results on a physical level. It is emotional,
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Speaker 2: it is spiritual.
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Speaker 3: It is a stress relief and an anxiety relief for
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Speaker 3: women who.
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Speaker 2: Are busy working moms. I mean, there's so much going
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Speaker 2: on in our lives. Be Able to go into that studio.
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Speaker 3: For an hour and think about nothing but what you're
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Speaker 3: doing in that moment is so liberating and you just
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Speaker 3: come out ready for whatever comes.
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Speaker 2: Your way that day.
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Speaker 1: You have an opportunity right now to offer the Anna
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Speaker 1: a piece of advice who maybe is leaving that hospital
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Speaker 1: and she's like, Wow, what am I supposed to do now?
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Speaker 1: I'm so tired, I'm confused, I'm spent. I need some
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Speaker 1: help here. What do you tell her?
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Speaker 3: I tell her to take a break and sleep first
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Speaker 3: of all, and then create some time in her life.
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Speaker 3: Stop all the running around, stop the five jobs, take
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Speaker 3: a minute and get back to what you love and
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Speaker 3: get back in the studio. Use all of those years
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Speaker 3: of education and passion and love for what you do,
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Speaker 3: and just play. Give yourself three months and just play
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Speaker 3: and take the pressure off and balance balance your life
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Speaker 3: a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Anna, thanks so much for sitting down with me today.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me Emily so fun.
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Speaker 3: Website, vakt dot com, Social, VAKT Studios, or the Anakheiser
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Speaker 3: and I can't wait to talk to you.
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Speaker 2: Awesome.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys
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