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The "Smither-vent" - Episode 153 - Amy Acton is unfit to serve · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: 7.05 here at 55 Care City Talk Station.
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  Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, but still get the benefit of Christopher Smitherman,
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  Speaker 2: former Vice Mayor of the City of Cincinnati. Normally hear
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  Speaker 2: from Christopher at 7.20 on a Monday. We get him
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  Speaker 2: today at 7.05. Welcome back, Christopher Smitherman, my friend. How
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  Speaker 2: are you doing lately?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing good. Thanks for having me on, Brian. I
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  Speaker 3: really want to jump in. Because I know we have
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  Speaker 3: limited time. And I want to highlight, because a week
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  Speaker 3: ago I said, hey, Jerry Maguire, those moments will begin
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  Speaker 3: to happen after Labor Day weekend. And so I've been
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  Speaker 3: watching Amy Atkins' running mate. And as he's putting out information,
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  Speaker 3: he is working very hard to to define Vivek Ramaswamy
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  Speaker 3: as something as other, quote, unquote, other, right? This is
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  Speaker 3: the dog whistle that he's really not an Ohioan. He's
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  Speaker 3: really not an Ohio State fan. Matter of fact, the
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  Speaker 3: message that went out is he looks like a Texan.
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  Speaker 3: I went to the Ohio State University and graduated and
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  Speaker 3: went to my share of football games. And I didn't
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  Speaker 3: look at Vivek Ramaswamy in that stadium and say he
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  Speaker 3: looks like a Texan.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what he's wearing. Christopher, I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know what the hell that means.
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  Speaker 3: What the hell does that mean? What it means, Brian Thomas,
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  Speaker 3: is that's the dog whistle of the 21st century with
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  Speaker 3: the Dixiecrats. They're just trying to use things that he
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  Speaker 3: cannot control. This man is Indian. He has a beautiful family,
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  Speaker 3: beautiful children, a great father, a businessman. He was raised
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  Speaker 3: in Ohio and went to St. X over here in
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  Speaker 3: the city of Cincinnati, high school. What in the world?
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  Speaker 3: Does David Pepper think that he can get out on
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  Speaker 3: social media and define this man as other? He's very smart.
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  Speaker 3: He went to Yale or Harvard. What's his objective? His
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  Speaker 3: objective is to tell you he's not really one of us.
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  Speaker 3: He's other, right? That's the dog whistle of the Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 3: And they're trying to divide independents like myself. Republicans, conservatives, moderates, liberals,
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  Speaker 3: however they define themselves, to look at this man other
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  Speaker 3: than what he is, an American citizen who's worked very hard,
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  Speaker 3: who's successful, who has a beautiful family, and is here
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  Speaker 3: to fight for Ohioans. Now, their side of the ticket,
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  Speaker 3: Brian Thomas, might disagree with public policy. They might disagree
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  Speaker 3: with him. But let's not get into the identity politics, right?
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  Speaker 3: The reason they go there is they cannot debate on
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  Speaker 3: the issues. So why is Amy Acton saying she won't
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  Speaker 3: do a debate? Let's tell the truth. Here's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: She can't stand on a platform with Vivek Ramaswamy and
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  Speaker 3: answer these simple questions. Where are you on transgender people...
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  Speaker 3: swimming against girls, being in locker rooms, participating in girls' sports. Why?
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  Speaker 3: Because Ohioans, this is not California. This is not New York.
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  Speaker 3: And so when she gets on that stage and she says, listen,
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  Speaker 3: I really, Vivek and I are really eye to eye
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  Speaker 3: on this, right? All of a sudden her base turns
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  Speaker 3: on her. Right. That's what happens. That's what she's worried about.
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  Speaker 3: She's not worried about. She's been saying, well, I just
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  Speaker 3: can't be on the same stage with Vivek Ramaswamy because
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  Speaker 3: he's not a good guy or whatever. That's the craziness.
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  Speaker 3: She cannot and does not want her base to see
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  Speaker 3: where she really is. If he asks the question, where
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  Speaker 3: are you on police? And she says, I want to
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  Speaker 3: reimagine the police. I want to defund the police. If
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  Speaker 3: she doesn't say she wants to defund, reimagine and those
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  Speaker 3: kinds of things. Her base will turn on her. But
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  Speaker 3: Ohio is still a rural state, right? At the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day, you can talk about Columbus and Cincinnati
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  Speaker 3: and Toledo. If rural Ohio shows up and votes for
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  Speaker 3: Vivek Ramaswamy for governor, he's going to win. That's reality.
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  Speaker 3: And so she cannot signal to those farmers, I gave
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  Speaker 3: you two issues, if they ask her about guns, she's
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  Speaker 3: going to have a very murky answer about where she
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  Speaker 3: is on guns. She is avoiding the debate, Brian Thomas,
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  Speaker 3: because she doesn't want to answer the question. That's where
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  Speaker 3: we are.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and on the couple of policy points you brought up,
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  Speaker 2: let's say, you know, men participating against women in sports.
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  Speaker 2: You and I both know, I mean, even if you
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  Speaker 2: don't believe in polls, the vast majority of clear thinking,
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  Speaker 2: common sense, logical and reasonable people don't want men to
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  Speaker 2: participate against the girls. It ruins women's sports. It'll turn them.
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  Speaker 2: It'll just eradicate basically the concept of women's sports. and
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  Speaker 2: ultimately be dominated by the physically superior men. So that's
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  Speaker 2: a winning argument. No men in women's sports is a
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  Speaker 2: winning argument across the political spectrum. So she could embrace that,
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  Speaker 2: knowing it is the dominant political viewpoint, and maybe lose.
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  Speaker 2: What percentage, seriously, if you had to guess, what percentage
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  Speaker 2: of Democrats are willing to die on the hill of
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  Speaker 2: men participating against women in sports? Two to three percent?
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  Speaker 3: Two to three percent. All right, so she gains... Enough
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  Speaker 3: for her to lose the election.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she gains.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: She gains the rural voters that you just mentioned on
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  Speaker 2: that issue by saying out loud she's not in favor
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  Speaker 2: of men participating in sports. So she loses a couple
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  Speaker 2: of points that Democrats are still going to go out
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  Speaker 2: and vote for. Doesn't she come out on top by
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  Speaker 2: embracing the common-sense position that most of us hold?
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't. Because the rural voters, if they show up,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to ultimately vote for Vivek Ramaswamy for any
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  Speaker 3: number of other issues. What she does is she loses
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  Speaker 3: in her base, where her base is saying, hey, listen,
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk about data centers. I want to
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  Speaker 3: talk about transgender peoples participating in girls' sports. I'm sharing
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  Speaker 3: with you that she doesn't want to get caught on that.
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  Speaker 3: a state. This is like Kentucky. We're in Ohio. We're
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  Speaker 3: bordered by Indiana. She doesn't want to have that debate,
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  Speaker 3: Brian Thomas, because it doesn't fly here. It doesn't pass
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  Speaker 3: the mustard. Those 80%, if you took this same debate
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  Speaker 3: to California, she'd love to debate Vivek Ramaswamy there. If
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  Speaker 3: we were on the East Coast, and this is New
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  Speaker 3: York City, she would demand a vote for Vivek Ramaswamy.
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  Speaker 3: Vivek is running for governor of the state of Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: This is not Virginia. It's not New York. It's not California.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't want to get caught out there on these
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  Speaker 3: issues that her base is passionate about because this might
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  Speaker 3: be a 3% or 4% change or difference in who
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  Speaker 3: becomes the governor and who doesn't. I'm sharing with everybody
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  Speaker 3: listening to me, if Amy Atkin refuses to debate for governor,
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  Speaker 3: we are a state that makes presidents. of the United
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  Speaker 3: States of America. She's unwilling to stand toe to toe
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  Speaker 3: and share what her positions are. No one in their
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  Speaker 3: right mind should be voting for her. That is absolutely
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  Speaker 3: insane in my opinion. And I think all of us,
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  Speaker 3: meaning no matter what local station is hearing this across
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  Speaker 3: the state of Ohio, no matter what their political leaning is,
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  Speaker 3: we all should be demanding democracy right now and demanding
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  Speaker 3: that she get on a stage, then toe-to-toe and debate.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't get to hide in her basement and tell
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  Speaker 3: us what she's not going to do, and then say,
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  Speaker 3: I'm strong, and I want to be the governor of Ohio, right? No,
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  Speaker 3: I want a governor that's going to fight for Ohioans,
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  Speaker 3: and if you can't just stand on a stage with
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  Speaker 3: your opponent, you're not somebody worthy for me to vote for,
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  Speaker 3: whether you're a Democrat or Republican or an Independent.
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  Speaker 2: That's just pure weakness, Christopher. Demonstrable, pure weakness. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be in a position running the state
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  Speaker 2: of Ohio where you're going to have to deal with
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of challenges, both in public and in debate
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  Speaker 2: forums and in dealing with political oppositions, and I mean,
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  Speaker 2: It's part of the job. I mean, the debate is basically,
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  Speaker 2: it gives us an opportunity to judge whether she's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a decent governor, not just on the issues,
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  Speaker 2: but whether she can handle herself on her feet. I
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  Speaker 2: think she agrees that she can't. Her people says that
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  Speaker 2: she can't or say that she can't, and so she's
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  Speaker 2: not going to debate.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. If I were running for mayor of the
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  Speaker 3: city of Cincinnati and I said I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: debate whoever that opponent is, Brian Thomas would As friendly
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  Speaker 3: and as good friends as we are, you would not
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  Speaker 3: allow me to get away with that.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: I'm asking you to apply the same pressure on Amy Atkins.
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  Speaker 3: This is about democracy. It's not about personality. It's about
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  Speaker 3: this woman is literally trying to avoid telling the state
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  Speaker 3: of Ohio what she's going to do. And every news
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  Speaker 3: station says, should be demanding a debate, period. That's democracy.
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  Speaker 3: You don't get to say, I'm not going to have
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  Speaker 3: the debate. But I tell everybody listening to this show,
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  Speaker 3: if this was Christopher Smitherman and I was running for mayor,
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  Speaker 3: and I said, oh, I'm not going to stand on
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  Speaker 3: a stage and debate the opposition or the opponent that
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  Speaker 3: I'm running against, Brian Thomas would not let me get
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  Speaker 3: away with that at all.
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  Speaker 2: Christopher, you and I are such good friends. I'd like
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  Speaker 2: to think that ahead of that out loud announcement that
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to debate, that you would have run
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  Speaker 2: it by me first. Brian, I'm thinking about saying I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to debate. And you know what the answer
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  Speaker 2: I would have said, what I would have said to you?
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  Speaker 2: you can hear the expletives coming out of my mouth
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  Speaker 2: right now, right? What are you talking about, man? Don't
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  Speaker 2: go away.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: We'll continue with Christopher Smith. After I mentioned Gate of
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  Speaker 2: Heaven Summit. Just shy of 719 here at 55KRC, the
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  Speaker 2: talk station. Brian Thomas with Christopher Smith and doing a
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of the Monday Morning Smith event. Christopher, what
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  Speaker 2: else is on your mind today, my friend?
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  Speaker 3: So as we talk about this race for Governor Brian Thomas,
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  Speaker 3: there's a discussion that I want to have coming out
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  Speaker 3: of Labor Day weekend. And I want to say happy
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  Speaker 3: Labor Day weekend to everyone. I'm a person that supports
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  Speaker 3: collective bargaining issues. and police departments across the state, fire
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  Speaker 3: departments across the state, teachers across the state have collective bargaining.
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  Speaker 3: It is the law, right? And so what you're having
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  Speaker 3: is a discussion by the Democratic Party who wants you
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  Speaker 3: to believe that other candidates, whoever they are across the ticket,
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  Speaker 3: but if they're specifically Republicans, that they're against collective bargaining
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  Speaker 3: and they're going to change the law in some kind
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  Speaker 3: of way, which is insane. Here's what I want to
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  Speaker 3: say to those union workers out there, those iron workers,
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  Speaker 3: those carpenters, those bricklayers, those electricians out there as examples
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  Speaker 3: that who are in skilled trades, where your unions, the AFL-CIO,
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  Speaker 3: might be trying to tell you through those sample ballots,
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  Speaker 3: to not vote for Vivek Ramaswamy or not vote for
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  Speaker 3: this particular Republican or only vote for Democrats. This race
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  Speaker 3: is not about collective bargaining. The race in Ohio is
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  Speaker 3: about socialism and communism coming to our state. That is
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  Speaker 3: what this race is about. And those union workers and
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  Speaker 3: their fathers and their grandfathers who fought in World War II,
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  Speaker 3: that generation that you highlight all the time, Brian Thomas,
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  Speaker 3: on your show that's dying off, that they have an
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  Speaker 3: obligation to hold the line in Ohio. And what this
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  Speaker 3: race is about is about people who do not love
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  Speaker 3: the flag, who want to tell you they do not
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  Speaker 3: love our country. This race is about people to say,
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  Speaker 3: I don't like my military, right? This race is about
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  Speaker 3: our country and what we stand for and what our
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  Speaker 3: values are, that we believe in family values, right? We
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  Speaker 3: believe in moms and dads and guardians and grandparents being
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  Speaker 3: in the lives of our children. And so if you're
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  Speaker 3: a union guy out there coming out of Labor Day
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  Speaker 3: weekend and you've got the AFL-CIO breathing down your neck
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  Speaker 3: trying to tell you that this race is about collective bargaining,
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  Speaker 3: that is absolutely nonsense. This race is about our country, dude.
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  Speaker 3: This race is about the basic values, and I do
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  Speaker 3: not want to look like California and New York. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling those iron workers out there, those plumbers and pipefitters,
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  Speaker 3: those firefighters and those police officers and those schoolteachers out there,
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  Speaker 3: Please do not drink the Kool-Aid. Stay focused. And what
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing coming out of New York, whether it's communism,
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  Speaker 3: whether it is socialism, whatever they want to call it,
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  Speaker 3: This ticket on the other side wants to bring it here.
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  Speaker 3: They will be operating through executive orders. It will be
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  Speaker 3: way too late. And I'm asking them to look at
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  Speaker 3: their fathers and their grandfathers. This is not the Democratic
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  Speaker 3: Party that their grandfathers voted for. These are not the
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  Speaker 3: blue dog Democrats of that time. This is something very different,
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  Speaker 3: and it makes this race very serious, and why I'm
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  Speaker 3: supporting a vague Ramaswamy over the other team.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I suppose to the union workers who think it
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  Speaker 2: might be in their best interest to vote Communists is
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  Speaker 2: what I'm just going to, in a broad brush, label
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  Speaker 2: the Democrat Party these days. Who hires the construction workers, Christopher?
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  Speaker 2: Who builds the buildings and does the projects that the
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  Speaker 2: union workers work for? I mean, big companies with private
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  Speaker 2: interests and profit margins and motivations. I don't quite understand
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  Speaker 2: where they think all their jobs are going to come
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  Speaker 2: from in the aftermath of electing socialists into office, Christopher.
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  Speaker 2: It just doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the issue for them, Brian, is that I believe
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  Speaker 3: that union workers out here who are incredibly smart, right?
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  Speaker 3: You're not an iron worker out here or a plumber
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  Speaker 3: or a pipe fitter, and you don't have a high IQ.
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  Speaker 3: You know what you're doing, and they make a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money, right? But I'm sharing with you that coming
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  Speaker 3: out of Labor Day weekend, no matter where they were,
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  Speaker 3: whatever amusement park they were at, Right. This notion that
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  Speaker 3: they had to vote for that Democratic ticket because their
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  Speaker 3: unions were telling them so. I'm suggesting to them, please
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  Speaker 3: vote our country, vote your grandfather's Democratic Party. And you
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  Speaker 3: cannot vote for this ticket in good consciousness. You've got
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  Speaker 3: to take a look at Vivek Ramaswamy because you've got
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  Speaker 3: people in your neighbors who are running around with yard
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  Speaker 3: signs that say, I'm a socialist, I'm a communist. And
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  Speaker 3: their own Democratic Party, like a Congressman Greg Lansman, won't
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  Speaker 3: even won't even walk out on a mic and say, listen, man,
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  Speaker 3: I don't support communism and I don't support socialism. That
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  Speaker 3: is way too far for me. Right. He'll never say that. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So that silence I'm trying to share with your listening audience.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just what a politician says. It's what they
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  Speaker 3: don't say. And so you don't see them out there
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  Speaker 3: challenging this, Brian. That's why they never come on your show.
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  Speaker 3: They're scared to come on the Brian Thomas show because
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  Speaker 3: you're going to ask them some tough questions, right? That's
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  Speaker 3: why they can't be booked here.
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  Speaker 2: They're not tough questions, Christopher. If you're running for office,
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  Speaker 2: you have a campaign platform. It's fair game to ask them.
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  Speaker 2: I don't view any of those questions as tough. It's
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  Speaker 2: just reality. Are you in favor of men playing against
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  Speaker 2: women in sports?
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  Speaker 3: Period.
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  Speaker 2: That's a real genuine issue for elected officials these days,
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  Speaker 2: so it's fair game. If you can't answer the question,
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't even be running for office. Going back to
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  Speaker 2: your point about Amy Acton.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm going to say we've got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people who are in the National Guard, for example.
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  Speaker 3: Are you comfortable with the other side, the Amy Atkin,
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  Speaker 3: deploying our National Guard when it makes sense, or a
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  Speaker 3: Vivek Ramaswamy? I am more comfortable with Vivek making those
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  Speaker 3: decisions on my behalf because at the bottom line, he
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  Speaker 3: supports our military. So if you're somebody out there and
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  Speaker 3: you are saying, man, I'm a Democrat and I've just
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  Speaker 3: got to vote down the Democratic ticket– You are literally
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  Speaker 3: undermining your country in this moment. I'm not saying 20,
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  Speaker 3: 30 years ago. I'm talking about in this moment. If
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  Speaker 3: you have blue dog Democrats right now trying to run
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  Speaker 3: for mayor, Anywhere in the state of Ohio, whether it's Columbus, Toledo, Dayton, Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 3: they would not win, right? This is not the Democratic
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  Speaker 3: Party that the union people recognize, and I just want
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  Speaker 3: to highlight that. And I'm going to say one thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to say a couple sentences about identity politics.
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  Speaker 3: The Democrats are going after the white males. That's their objective, right?
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  Speaker 3: So they feel like they have the white females. So
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  Speaker 3: the only way they can come out and get the
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  Speaker 3: white males is they have to say, we got to
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  Speaker 3: go after the unions. We have to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: the AFL-CIO is strong with their tickets. And we want
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  Speaker 3: these white males who are out here every day working
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  Speaker 3: in the bitter cold. whose grandparents have been voting in
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  Speaker 3: the Democratic Party because of collective bargaining, we've got to
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  Speaker 3: make Vivek the monster or the boogeyman in the room.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what David Pepper was trying to do when
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  Speaker 3: he said, hey, Vivek Ramaswamy is actually a Texan as
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  Speaker 3: he stands in the Ohio State Coliseum supporting the Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State University's football team. That is actually the whistle, right?
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  Speaker 3: That is actually the new wave whistle is not to
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  Speaker 3: use those flowery words, is to call the other side other.
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  Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Get racist.
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  Speaker 3: That's where we are, baby. Yeah. Ooh. That's where we are, baby.
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  Speaker 2: I lamented the other day when I heard a Republican
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  Speaker 2: or saw a post-Republican, he's not one of us. That
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  Speaker 2: sounds remarkably dissimilar to what Peppers kind of say, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 3: It does. It does. And see, that's where they're going
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  Speaker 3: in the race. And if Republicans and independents and reasonable
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  Speaker 3: and rational blue dog Democrats, if they take that bait, right,
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden they're going to wake up and
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  Speaker 3: the state of Ohio is going to be swimming in
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  Speaker 3: a direction that they don't even recognize. They can't recognize
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: their party. Don't believe me. They'll wake up and not
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: recognize the state of Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Christopher Smithman, always a pleasure having the show, whether it's
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Monday or Tuesday. Thank you so much for having me on.