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Ross Fulton Analysis: How Did Chip Kelly And The Ohio State Offense Attack Oregon This Season? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: This is a special bonus episode of the Buckeyes Tomorrow
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Speaker 1: Morning podcast, going to be hearing from your good buddy
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Speaker 1: and mine, Ross Fulton, the ex's and Nosguru at Buckeyheadle
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Speaker 1: dot com. This is actually an episode we dropped immediately
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Speaker 1: after Ohio States thirty two to thirty one loss at
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Speaker 1: Oregon earlier in the season. Obviously, there is a lot
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Speaker 1: to learn from this game, and a bunch of stuff
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Speaker 1: has changed, and we're gonna be talking to Ross about
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Speaker 1: some of the stuff that has changed since this game
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Speaker 1: happened and since this show originally aired. But right now,
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Speaker 1: look at what Ross had to say immediately after that game. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: a lot of insight to come out of a head
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Speaker 1: to head matchup that we're going to see a rematch
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Speaker 1: of coming up. So we're going to start with the
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Speaker 1: Ohio State offense. The defensive show we'll get posted a
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Speaker 1: Columbus today. All right, Ross, the attention to detail by
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Speaker 1: the Ohio State defense that may have been matched at
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Speaker 1: times in the past, things did not always go great,
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Speaker 1: and there were things that they did that they were
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Speaker 1: trying to accomplish things that everyone has been saying, why
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Speaker 1: can't you do this more? And then when it doesn't work,
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Speaker 1: everyone says, why did you do that? So one thing
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Speaker 1: they've been looking to try and generate more is pressure,
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Speaker 1: and so sometimes generate pressure you got to take some chances.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes that works, sometimes that didn't. What did the Buckeyes
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Speaker 1: do on Saturday to try and bring more pressure more
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Speaker 1: heat on Dylan Gabriel?
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Speaker 3: So we saw at least four to five times cover
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Speaker 3: zero pressure schemes. I think the to me, I'm guessing
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Speaker 3: there is a as you said, they wanted to try
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Speaker 3: to create some pressure. The Organs track worker this year,
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Speaker 3: as we talked about going to the game, is a
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Speaker 3: lot of short throws. So I presume the thought process
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Speaker 3: was this is the way to generalate pressure. Then we
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Speaker 3: drop some guys into the underneath zones, take away the
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Speaker 3: easy quick mesh, throw you crossers or outlets to the
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Speaker 3: tight end that Organs relied upon.
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Speaker 2: So win win, and you know, and I go.
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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of discussion, at least I've seen
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Speaker 3: on X Bucke.
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Speaker 2: Huddle others about the play.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure everyone can think of it where Ohio State
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Speaker 3: quote unquote brought to rushers and Denzel Birt got beat
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Speaker 3: over the top with the right before half time. So
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Speaker 3: we're gonna get I'm going to get into that, but
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Speaker 3: I want to start with what they used three or
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Speaker 3: four times that was effective. That's a similar type of
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Speaker 3: concept which just train. We talked about training. Just last week.
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Speaker 3: They ran it against Iowa where they brought Caleb Downs
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Speaker 3: up the middle, and they ran it in a few
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Speaker 3: different ways on Saturday. I grabbed the one here that
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Speaker 3: was literally the play before they that reed pressure that
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Speaker 3: we were talking about. And so you know train we've
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Speaker 3: talked about, you can see it here. You basically are
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Speaker 3: you're trying to occupy all the off the offensive linemen.
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Speaker 3: So you're bringing six right, so the offensive line has
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Speaker 3: five to block them with. You want your two guys
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Speaker 3: that are dropping to engage with the offensive line. That'll
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Speaker 3: be important going forward. And so here they're going to
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Speaker 3: drop with defensive ends. They also did it with both
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Speaker 3: defensive tackles. They so they drop or at least they faint.
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Speaker 3: That is an issue instead of engaging the defensive ends
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Speaker 3: drop as rats.
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Speaker 2: You can see everyone's in cover one. Jordan Hancock follows
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Speaker 2: the motion.
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Speaker 3: That was another issue that honestly down on Saturday, particularly
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Speaker 3: in man coverage getting lined up handling motion. Especially early,
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Speaker 3: you see a lot of guys kind of looking at
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Speaker 3: each other trying to figure out where everyone's supposed to go.
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Speaker 3: Oregon used it tempo effectively as well to cause problems.
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Speaker 3: But so anyways, it works, works like it's supposed to
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Speaker 3: hear right, Like you have again the shallow crossing route
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Speaker 3: from the tight end Kenyata Jackson dropping right into that zone.
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Speaker 3: Jack Sawyer gets tripped up with the Oregon wide receiver.
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Speaker 3: Gabriel tries to throw a dig route across the field.
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Speaker 3: David DAVISONNSA breaks it up to work, So the second
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Speaker 3: time in a row. Now I think part of the
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Speaker 3: issue here is but you do see already on this
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Speaker 3: place some of the some of the issues that will
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Speaker 3: come up on the replay. And it's not just the scheme,
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Speaker 3: it's in the execution right, Like as I said, like
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Speaker 3: the goal is to engage first with the offense. You
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Speaker 3: have to occupy the offensive linement so he can't redirect
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Speaker 3: to the blitzer that you want unoccupied, and the defensive
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Speaker 3: ends don't really do that here. The other issue is
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Speaker 3: these are sort of plays that you can only use
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Speaker 3: so often.
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Speaker 2: It's you know, you're picking your spots right.
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Speaker 3: You want to show pressure or simulate pressure if you will,
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Speaker 3: but not always call it right. So Oregon now has
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Speaker 3: seen this. This is the second time, as I said,
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Speaker 3: the very next play, you show it again right. This
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Speaker 3: time we use gym Knowles uses the redconcept. The problem
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Speaker 3: is again first issue is Orgon, as I said, has
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Speaker 3: seen this. So they're tired of throw underneath ro outs.
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Speaker 3: They can you know will Stein called a good game
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Speaker 3: on Saturday. Uh, you know they get paid well too, right,
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Speaker 3: so they make this you can see right away like
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Speaker 3: on this concept and before I get into the specifics
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Speaker 3: of it though, I want to say, like this is.
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Speaker 2: A tried and true concept. This is not Chymneles rolling
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Speaker 2: up in the dirt.
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Speaker 3: Let's only rush two and drop six guys in within
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Speaker 3: five yards and play have no deep safeties Like this
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Speaker 3: is a concept that Bred Fennables has used a lot,
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Speaker 3: that Save Intry has used. The basic framework again is
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Speaker 3: like you're bringing your you they have five guys a block,
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Speaker 3: as I show in the picture, like I put a
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Speaker 3: five against six, right, So what you want to do
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Speaker 3: is you want to occupy those five offensive linemen, but
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Speaker 3: you're not going to keep rushing, right, you want them
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Speaker 3: to engage you. You then drop that frees up here.
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Speaker 3: I think the designers to get sunny styles coming.
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Speaker 2: Free up the middle.
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Speaker 3: You get a free rusher, but you also drop then
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Speaker 3: have guys dropping into like the hot routes. Right, So
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Speaker 3: if the quarterback's got to unblocked rutsher in his face,
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Speaker 3: he wants to get the ball out quick, and you
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Speaker 3: have some guys there to deal with it. So that
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Speaker 3: that's the general concept. The problem again is in the execution.
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Speaker 3: First of all, Ohio State, like Oregon has this wide
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Speaker 3: bunch set out here, problems all day with handling, and
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Speaker 3: this is like we're going to talk about other issues
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Speaker 3: they had when they were playing man coverage and the
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Speaker 3: lack of diversity in how they play cover. One have
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Speaker 3: trouble handling these three these three bunch receivers here.
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Speaker 2: They traded them off.
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Speaker 3: You can see pre snap at the bottom of the screen,
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Speaker 3: which doesn't come into a factor, but you know Caleb
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Speaker 3: Downs is telling David ign noticing, like you need to
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Speaker 3: get on the inside receiver. They're communicating styles and putting
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Speaker 3: Simon look at each other. They seem somewhat confused, so
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Speaker 3: they again like the communication problems were evident throughout. Then
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Speaker 3: on the execution again, like watch the defensive ends, watch
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Speaker 3: the defensive tackles. The only person of those guys stimulating
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Speaker 3: pressure that engages with the actual offensive lineman is Lathan Ransom.
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Speaker 3: None of the defensive line do what they're supposed to do. Now, again,
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Speaker 3: like that's a coaching issue. It's a different coaching issue
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Speaker 3: than saying that Jim Knowles is running an unsound scheme.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, this is not a good rep you know, whether
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Speaker 2: you put that on.
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Speaker 3: Knowles, on the on Larry Johnson as the defensive line coach,
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Speaker 3: on guys just not doing what they did in practice
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Speaker 3: in the moment.
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Speaker 2: So the problem though is you don't get the unblocked.
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Speaker 3: Rusher because the offensive line, specifically the center, is able
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Speaker 3: to when he gets that fake from the defensive tackle
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Speaker 3: who drops out right away, he can then redirect the
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Speaker 3: style so he doesn't get engaged.
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Speaker 2: So you don't get the pressure. Then you get the situation. Now.
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Speaker 3: Denzil Burg again bites on a double move that was
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Speaker 3: also an issue before. I didn't clip the first time
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Speaker 3: he did that, because it's just it was a boring
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Speaker 3: ole cover four quarters coverage. Gymnals runs that to be
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Speaker 3: it's like a super safe. We've talked about how it's
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Speaker 3: like sort of his sort of conservative go to right,
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Speaker 3: but like a corner. Still, if you're gonna fight on
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Speaker 3: a double move, there's there's nowhere to help you with that.
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Speaker 3: So that happened twice here, obviously to really bad detriment.
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Speaker 3: It's one thing to give up twenty to thirty yard
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Speaker 3: explosive plays. It's another to give up fifty forty to
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Speaker 3: fifty sixty yard touchdown explosive plays. I think that you
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Speaker 3: can critique Nole's here for going to the well one
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Speaker 3: too many times with these cover zero concepts, and obviously
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Speaker 3: organ adjust it, I think, But I think the concept here,
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Speaker 3: you know, again is based on scouting.
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Speaker 2: He's like, they're going to try to throw the sticks.
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Speaker 3: It's a minute and a half to go, we're trying
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Speaker 3: to keep them out of field goal range. Let's try
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Speaker 3: to get a stop and get the ball back, and
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Speaker 3: so I'm sure all those thoughts went into it, but
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Speaker 3: I think again it's that it's emblematic of it's not
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Speaker 3: necessarily that they're doing things that no one's done before.
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Speaker 3: It's just their their execution issues evident in those schemes.
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Speaker 3: But again, I think to your original point to bring
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Speaker 3: it all the way back, Like it is a little
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Speaker 3: tough when I hear people complain that Ohio State is
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Speaker 3: not generating pressure, but then they get mad when gymnals
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Speaker 3: uses different types of pressure schemes to generate pressure, and
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Speaker 3: then they're like, why are you rushing your defensive ends? Like,
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Speaker 3: but you're also complaining that those defensive ends aren't generating pressure.
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Speaker 3: So like, if they can't win one on one, you
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Speaker 3: need to do different things that generate pressure. You know,
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Speaker 3: there are waste that I think they can help them
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Speaker 3: again by like stunting the defensive line as well, that
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Speaker 3: they just don't do. But I don't have a problem
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Speaker 3: with you know, simulated pressure zone, blitzes, fire zones. I
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Speaker 3: think they need more of. It's just that they need
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Speaker 3: to execute a better And you know, part of it
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Speaker 3: I fear is they wasted the first three weeks of
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Speaker 3: the season not doing any not showing anything, and so
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Speaker 3: now they just don't have game reps.
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Speaker 1: Well, they got plenty of game reps and Cover one
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Speaker 1: on Saturday, they saw them running running that a bunch,
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Speaker 1: and unfortunately at times Oregon also saw them running that
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Speaker 1: a bunch and figured out ways to use some of
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Speaker 1: the things that they do against them. So what did
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Speaker 1: that look like on Saturday?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we talked about this also last week.
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Speaker 3: As I said, on the one hand, Cover one's great
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Speaker 3: for limiting RPOs because in theory, you've taken away any conflict,
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Speaker 3: you got your man, and the remaining players can play
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Speaker 3: the run again. The problem is is the devil's and
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Speaker 3: the details. There are variations in Cover one to try
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Speaker 3: to limit some of these problems that I'm going to
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Speaker 3: show you, and honestly just doesn't do them or you
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Speaker 3: don't see them, and so they're there. They can get exposed.
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Speaker 3: It's not just that they can't. You know, obviously Burke
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Speaker 3: got beat right, that wasn't in Cover one. But like
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Speaker 3: that's that's like one way you beat Cover one, right,
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Speaker 3: if you find the guy that your receivers better, then
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Speaker 3: but you also can do it by putting them into
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Speaker 3: by using these kind of plays that hurt them.
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Speaker 2: So like.
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Speaker 3: First play here right, like this is Oregon gets the
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Speaker 3: ball back after the quin Shawn Junkins fumble, so they're
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Speaker 3: at first play after that they run this just basically
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Speaker 3: in an outside zone with a slide threat, right, So
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Speaker 3: they're like in two back personnel. So I guess you know,
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Speaker 3: the first question was Ohio State really prepared for any
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Speaker 3: kind of two back looks? But like you know that happens, right,
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Speaker 3: Like I don't think that's But so because the way
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Speaker 3: Ohio has this designed is Cody Simon is responsible for
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Speaker 3: the B gap and and Jordan Hancock the nickel has
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Speaker 3: the C gap because that's just how Ohio State.
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk.
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Speaker 3: About this again, like we've talked about it before they play.
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Speaker 3: They set the nickel to the to the passing strength
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Speaker 3: and they don't mess with it no matter what kind
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Speaker 3: of formation they see. But but Jordan Hancock also has
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Speaker 3: that you know, technically a full back. Really he's just
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Speaker 3: a wide receiver lined up in the backfield. When he
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Speaker 3: releases on sort of this threat to the flat that
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Speaker 3: they fake on play action, Hancock follows him.
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Speaker 2: So now they have no player for the sea gap.
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Speaker 3: Maybe this is a bust, but I saw it twice
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Speaker 3: and so like you need to do one or two
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Speaker 3: things like there are calls within cover one where when
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Speaker 3: that receiver goes to the opposite side of the center,
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Speaker 3: like Hancock basically trades him, could trade him off either
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Speaker 3: too sunny styles of the will could trade him off
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Speaker 3: to the backside safety. Someone on the other side of
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Speaker 3: the field becomes responsible, so you like still have your
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Speaker 3: gap integrity or I guess if Hancock's going to follow,
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Speaker 3: then like the safeties need to roll down hard and
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Speaker 3: you're basically trading off the opposite way with like you know,
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Speaker 3: the play side safety becoming the seagap player, the safety,
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Speaker 3: backside safety rotating up. But like you just can't do
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Speaker 3: this to yourselves over and over again. And so it's
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Speaker 3: just like they use lots of concepts, right, like we're
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Speaker 3: going to talk about like I've seen him run cover one,
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Speaker 3: I've seen him run cover four, quarter quarter a half,
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Speaker 3: cover three, but like they don't have variation within any
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Speaker 3: of them, so it makes it easier.
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Speaker 2: To exploit.
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Speaker 3: And so like that happens again on this the Dylan
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Speaker 3: Gabriel's touchdown run. So this this is one who has
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Speaker 3: like a couple of issues with it. So again Cover one,
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Speaker 3: So we're gonna we're gonna use the cover one with
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Speaker 3: our pos to put them in conflict. And so you
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Speaker 3: know the way they're aligned here, they actually are what
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Speaker 3: you can see I'm labeled as cheap and so cheat
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Speaker 3: is a concept where instead of Lathan Ransom as the
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Speaker 3: deep safety be in the middle of the field, he's
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Speaker 3: cheating towards the side that Gabriel would keep on and
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Speaker 3: this allows him to help play the quarterback runs. So
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Speaker 3: it's it's not like they're not doing anything right. Like again,
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Speaker 3: they're they're aware of the situation, they're aware of the look.
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Speaker 3: But as they're aligned here, sud Styles and I'm sure JT.
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Speaker 3: Twomloa thinks Sunny Styles has the quarterback as the edge player.
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Speaker 3: But what they do is they run a little air
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Speaker 3: route Oregon does with the tight end, so he releases
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Speaker 3: the flat right and so this is again you have
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Speaker 3: a essentially like a triple option like we talked about.
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Speaker 3: Ohio State did this a few weeks ago, right where
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Speaker 3: Devin Brown would keep and he could run or he
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Speaker 3: could dump it out of the flat. So you have
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Speaker 3: the same thing here. So Styles has to again cover one.
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Speaker 3: Styles is responsible for the tight end. He has to
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Speaker 3: play him to the flat right. So the first issue
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Speaker 3: here is like JT when he feels unblocked, he needs
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Speaker 3: to recognize the situation he's in. I'm not saying it's
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Speaker 3: an easy ask again, like these are good concepts from Oregon,
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Speaker 3: it's well designed, but he has to feel that and
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Speaker 3: slow himself down, Like he gets himself repeatedly caught. We've
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Speaker 3: showed other examples guessing and trying to make a play.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes it works, sometimes you get caught like this. The
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Speaker 3: other issue is then Lake Latham Ranson, Yes, like as
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Speaker 3: the cheat, he's there to help principally with the pass threat,
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Speaker 3: but like you got to get him down. You got
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Speaker 3: to get Gabor over the ground somehow someway like you know,
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Speaker 3: I hate to Latham. Ransom showed himself to be honest
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Speaker 3: on Saturday again, like he's been really good, but like
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Speaker 3: the mistackles that we saw two years ago against Michigan
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Speaker 3: where they you know, where he's the lead loan deep safety,
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Speaker 3: Like you got to get someone to the ground, Like
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Speaker 3: even if like take a less aggressive angle, I just
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Speaker 3: too many mistackles out of him on Saturday. Obviously Kale downs.
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Speaker 3: They liked to use him on if they can near
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Speaker 3: the box to help shore up some of these issues.
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Speaker 3: And like he made some great plays down there, but
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Speaker 3: like on this play, he's near the box, so he
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Speaker 3: cannot help. You know, it certainly does not help Lathan
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Speaker 3: Ranson here either that Davidson Iigmanosen is getting driven ten
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Speaker 3: yards down the field, which cuts off his path to
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Speaker 3: really pursue Gabriel. And so you're just seeing like a combination, right,
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Speaker 3: And like obviously we're picking out bad plays here. I
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Speaker 3: do think there are plays where, like Ohio State when
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Speaker 3: they had the numbers, they did pretty well against the run,
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Speaker 3: and you know, it.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't all bad.
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Speaker 3: But when you put together this combination of like you're
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Speaker 3: in a scheme deficit and then you make mistakes within it,
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Speaker 3: that's how you get these explosive plays against you.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, we talked, you've talked a minute ago
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Speaker 1: about how if you kind of if the other team
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Speaker 1: knows what's happening, they can kind of use it against you. Well,
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Speaker 1: here's another example where Oregon was able to take what
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Speaker 1: Ohio State does in certain coverages and make it work
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Speaker 1: against them. This time, Jordan Hancock was the one who
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Speaker 1: got kind of put in a pretty bad spot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and okay, so here we go. This is what
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Speaker 3: I talked about. And I remember you asked me at
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Speaker 3: the time, like was this them being vanilla. I'm like, well,
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Speaker 3: they did this against Missouri, they did this against Michigan.
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Speaker 2: So I.
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Speaker 3: I always there are reasons again, so to say it again,
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Speaker 3: like Ohio say it always sets the nickel to the
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Speaker 3: passing to the to the field how they define the
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Speaker 3: field if it's in the middle of the field, But
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Speaker 3: like and here, if you're on the hashmark to the
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Speaker 3: wide side, there are reasons to do it. I just
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Speaker 3: I think I don't understand why you do anything all
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Speaker 3: the time regardless, right, Like you just have to change
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Speaker 3: it up sometimes just to change it up. But so
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Speaker 3: you get this formation into like Oregon puts formation into boundary,
18:31
Speaker 3: which just means they put the you know, their numbers
18:34
Speaker 3: to the to the short side of the field, right, So
18:35
Speaker 3: you got to trips to the boundary. The result of
18:38
Speaker 3: that is that Sunny Styles walks out as the will
18:43
Speaker 3: because he's to that side, so he's not an apex.
18:46
Speaker 3: And now you have Jordans to Handcock responsible for the
18:49
Speaker 3: b gap right, which is between the guard and the tackle.
18:54
Speaker 2: You can see it really well.
18:55
Speaker 3: I included the shot behind them defense as well, and
18:59
Speaker 3: now you've got they played I think a cover three.
19:02
Speaker 3: It's sometimes started to tell with with run plays whether
19:05
Speaker 3: there's cover win or cover three because some kind of
19:06
Speaker 3: single hive that allows Galeb Downs to roll down right,
19:10
Speaker 3: So he's got the sea gaps. You got Jordan a
19:11
Speaker 3: goot for the B gap, Galeb Downs for the sea
19:14
Speaker 3: gap between the uh outside the tackle. Excuse me, And
19:19
Speaker 3: so when you when you have a poller here, or
19:22
Speaker 3: when you when this guy leads the guard leads on Hancock, right,
19:26
Speaker 3: he has to fit inside of him. Downs fits on
19:28
Speaker 3: the other side of them. That's easier so than Ton
19:32
Speaker 3: when you're asking the nickel to get set inside of
19:34
Speaker 3: an offensive guard, right, and so Downs goes out outside Hancocks.
19:39
Speaker 2: Driven out of his gap.
19:39
Speaker 3: The game again like also not helped by the fact
19:43
Speaker 3: that Ty Hamilton on this plague loses the A gap
19:47
Speaker 3: and gets beat. Now, I will say I think the
19:50
Speaker 3: defensive tackles overall had plenty of plays I could show
19:53
Speaker 3: you where they controlled the interior and they sort of
19:57
Speaker 3: made up for some of these scheme issues, you know,
20:00
Speaker 3: So I don't think this is like an emblematic issue.
20:03
Speaker 3: I think those defensive tackles help them. Like there were
20:05
Speaker 3: times where like you could tell the difference when they
20:08
Speaker 3: were down a body, but Tyler Williams can close down
20:10
Speaker 3: that backside b gap and take away that like two
20:12
Speaker 3: gap issue we talked about for Cody Simon against Marshall.
20:16
Speaker 2: So but the again, this gets to like.
20:20
Speaker 3: The like the unwillingness or refusal whatever it is to
20:26
Speaker 3: slant or stunt the defensive line. Most of the time,
20:30
Speaker 3: it's just it just kills them because it makes it
20:33
Speaker 3: really predictable for the offense where the defensive line is
20:36
Speaker 3: going to be. And it just they can't take care
20:38
Speaker 3: of these issues, like if you look from the behind
20:41
Speaker 3: the defense, like if Mitchell Melton just gets wide, set
20:44
Speaker 3: out wide and.
20:45
Speaker 2: It's just easy for the tackle to just push them out.
20:47
Speaker 3: Like if your nickel is set to the field like this,
20:51
Speaker 3: I think you should be checking to We're going to
20:53
Speaker 3: pinch the defensive line. We're going to stunt something that
20:55
Speaker 3: gets our bigger bodies inside to allow Jordan Hank talking
21:00
Speaker 3: Kale Downs to play the football from outside in. There
21:03
Speaker 3: just have to be answers, and they just don't have
21:06
Speaker 3: enough of them, and that just leads to these issues
21:07
Speaker 3: where they can stop the run and what I would
21:10
Speaker 3: call fair fight where they have the numbers, but they
21:12
Speaker 3: just have too many plays where they get gashed because
21:15
Speaker 3: of these scheme issues that they can't they don't have
21:18
Speaker 3: answers or solutions too.
21:20
Speaker 1: They did find some solutions eventually in the run game.
21:23
Speaker 1: One of the things that they did that worked was
21:25
Speaker 1: quarter quarter half. But as with pretty much everything on
21:28
Speaker 1: this show, only you give up seven point six yards
21:30
Speaker 1: per play and five yards brought per rush, it didn't
21:33
Speaker 1: work forever there were there's always a counter punch to
21:36
Speaker 1: your punch. So let's start with the good news on
21:38
Speaker 1: the quarter quarter half and then you can get into
21:40
Speaker 1: the less good news.
21:42
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't want to believe it totally again that
21:45
Speaker 3: it's the sky's falling, right, So I do think you
21:50
Speaker 3: saw more and more to quarter quarter half where you're
21:54
Speaker 3: playing this like this one where you're playing cover four
21:57
Speaker 3: to the field and cover through the boundary. You also
22:00
Speaker 3: saw them in response later in the game to some
22:03
Speaker 3: of those formation in the boundary issues, playing half quarter
22:07
Speaker 3: quarter or cover eight, which is when now you're playing
22:11
Speaker 3: cover four to the boundary and Cover two to the
22:14
Speaker 3: field to give you know, again I think they're getting
22:16
Speaker 3: bodies in the safeties against the run to the short
22:19
Speaker 3: side with Cover eight.
22:21
Speaker 2: But here, you know, they do some of the things
22:23
Speaker 2: that I'd like to see them do. Right. So the
22:25
Speaker 2: first thing about quarter quarter.
22:27
Speaker 3: Half is it's sort of in some ways like a
22:32
Speaker 3: single high cover three scheme and that you're getting you
22:34
Speaker 3: have another defensive back in the run fit, but it
22:38
Speaker 3: still gives you some of the split safety benefits of
22:41
Speaker 3: like Cover four, you know, keeping in Cover two and
22:43
Speaker 3: keeping like four or three or three or two. So
22:46
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's a solid sort of workman scheme, right.
22:50
Speaker 3: But they also do what I've just was saying. So
22:53
Speaker 3: like when you watch this play, you obviously have again
22:57
Speaker 3: you have two wide receivers. You have two guys out
22:59
Speaker 3: why Organ right to the field, which is you know
23:02
Speaker 3: Organ rpo threat all over it. So Styles is sort
23:08
Speaker 3: of splitting the difference between the tackle and the receivers.
23:13
Speaker 3: And so what they do rather than ask him put
23:15
Speaker 3: him in that conflict, they spike JT twomlow inside both
23:19
Speaker 3: defensive ends spike inside of the B gap. Now Styles
23:23
Speaker 3: can play the sea gap. Jordan Hancock to the opposite
23:25
Speaker 3: side can play the sea gap. You can, and you'll
23:28
Speaker 3: see on this play they can basically string it out
23:30
Speaker 3: right by doing that, and so you'll see, you know,
23:34
Speaker 3: as I said, they had quite a few run plays
23:37
Speaker 3: where they did limit organ and especially like when the
23:40
Speaker 3: defensive tackles can control the Atlanta scrimmage like they do
23:43
Speaker 3: much better. Here here's a good rep from Ty Hamilton.
23:46
Speaker 3: He's resetting the line of scrimmage against the center when
23:48
Speaker 3: you can see from behind the play styles is able
23:51
Speaker 3: to force, you know, string it out.
23:52
Speaker 2: And Cody Simon's able to complean it up.
23:55
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, and we can talk about
23:58
Speaker 3: this more like part of my solutions within and within
24:01
Speaker 3: the framework of what we have right.
24:02
Speaker 2: Like you're not going to change your entire scheme scheme.
24:05
Speaker 3: I mean, I would like to see more of this,
24:08
Speaker 3: as I said, quarter quarter a half concepts, more of
24:11
Speaker 3: Cover three where you're bringing downs down, you know, things
24:15
Speaker 3: that within the four down scheme, that they single gap
24:20
Speaker 3: that they play short of the jack coming out and
24:24
Speaker 3: short of Noel's doing the things he's done in the
24:25
Speaker 3: past with you know, getting a gap and a half
24:29
Speaker 3: from defensive.
24:29
Speaker 2: Linemen mixing up gaps.
24:32
Speaker 3: I just think they need to be gaps sound to
24:34
Speaker 3: start with, and some of these schemes allow you to
24:36
Speaker 3: do it.
24:38
Speaker 2: And obviously the more that they can.
24:41
Speaker 3: Change up where the gaps that the defensive line is playing,
24:45
Speaker 3: like on this one, the more it's going to help them.
24:48
Speaker 2: I will say though that, like there's other issues for
24:52
Speaker 2: them right on.
24:53
Speaker 3: These zone looks, and maybe this is why they were
24:55
Speaker 3: playing so much cover one because again, these are all
25:00
Speaker 3: all things we've talked about in the past that have
25:01
Speaker 3: been like issues. So it's not a surprise that a
25:06
Speaker 3: good team, the good coaching staff that is you know,
25:09
Speaker 3: I thought pull Stein was you know, he was reaching.
25:12
Speaker 3: They were reaching deep on Saturday right Oregon, like especially
25:15
Speaker 3: in the second half, Like they ran the fourth down
25:17
Speaker 3: play where they slipped the tight end out of the backfield,
25:20
Speaker 3: They ran the third and six against Ohio State's dime look,
25:23
Speaker 3: they ran a cracked toss sweep to the boundary, Like
25:26
Speaker 3: these are pretty pretty gutsy calls. And here you get
25:30
Speaker 3: sort of the organ another variation of we're going to
25:34
Speaker 3: purposely put twelve men on the field, We're going to
25:37
Speaker 3: do an on site kick that tries to Trilli, you're
25:39
Speaker 3: upman in the in the chop stomach, like Dylan Gabriel
25:42
Speaker 3: fakes like he's looking to the sideline for the play,
25:44
Speaker 3: and they snapped the ball right, and so that's supposed
25:46
Speaker 3: to get you off off guard. So you know, again
25:50
Speaker 3: credit to organ if you or you can say, like
25:53
Speaker 3: Oregon knew they had to pull out all the stops
25:56
Speaker 3: how you want to look at it, right, But like
25:59
Speaker 3: these this like deep breaking in route to the tight
26:04
Speaker 3: end here you just like see too often against Ohio
26:07
Speaker 3: States coverage because they don't they don't carry receivers like
26:11
Speaker 3: we talked about, like if someone releases vertical, they don't
26:13
Speaker 3: run with them in zone. They don't even reroute them.
26:15
Speaker 3: So like you know here Cody Simon kind of pushes
26:19
Speaker 3: the tight end. I mean, I think you would want
26:21
Speaker 3: to see a more aggressive reroute, but I know they
26:25
Speaker 3: don't want to do that because they don't want to
26:27
Speaker 3: lose their like zone integrity. So I know that it's
26:29
Speaker 3: not like that's not on Steinman, that's like the scheme,
26:31
Speaker 3: but like they just have the deep safeties there and
26:34
Speaker 3: they're just green grass. And so Dylan Gabriel foray a
26:38
Speaker 3: really good game Saturday, like I thought he made throws
26:40
Speaker 3: at Frankly, like I was impressed with.
26:42
Speaker 2: I didn't know he had some of those in him,
26:46
Speaker 2: So credit to him.
26:47
Speaker 3: But I do think that the Ohio States scheme at
26:50
Speaker 3: times allows opposing quarterbacks to get comfortable because they know
26:54
Speaker 3: what the picture is, they know where their reads are,
26:57
Speaker 3: and they can get into a rhythm and.
26:59
Speaker 2: You know, again, like you just got to close down
27:01
Speaker 2: on these routes.
27:02
Speaker 3: And so I'm not saying that plane quarter, quarter a
27:06
Speaker 3: half or any particular concept is going to be a
27:08
Speaker 3: total panacea, because I just think there's a series of
27:12
Speaker 3: systemic issues that go together. I just think at a minimum,
27:16
Speaker 3: you kind of have to go back to like we a,
27:18
Speaker 3: we can't give up those big explosive plays and we're
27:21
Speaker 3: gonna you know, in the second half, it certainly wasn't perfect.
27:25
Speaker 3: I mean, Oregon had long drives, but they didn't give
27:28
Speaker 3: up the big plays. They forced a couple of field wals,
27:30
Speaker 3: they forced the fourth down on downs. I certainly thought
27:33
Speaker 3: it was a better performance in the second half than
27:35
Speaker 3: the first. They seemed more comfortable getting lined up. I
27:40
Speaker 3: just think you have to come up with ways a
27:42
Speaker 3: again to like you got to go all your gap
27:44
Speaker 3: integrities covered. So that to me is like got to
27:48
Speaker 3: use more single high zone concepts. You got to remove
27:51
Speaker 3: these man better conflicts. You need to come up with
27:55
Speaker 3: many ways as possible to allow Caleb Downs to be
27:58
Speaker 3: your answers, because like he did erase a lot of
28:02
Speaker 3: problems for them on Saturday to the extent he could,
28:04
Speaker 3: Like he can't be everywhere at once, obviously, but I
28:07
Speaker 3: think that he can clean up a lot of things
28:09
Speaker 3: in the box. And then, you know, I just think,
28:13
Speaker 3: on the one hand, I don't I don't think the
28:15
Speaker 3: sky is falling out right like there's still a top five,
28:18
Speaker 3: top ten defense. I just think they are limited by
28:21
Speaker 3: some of these scheme choices in terms of their ceiling.
28:24
Speaker 3: And I just think that means that in games like this,
28:26
Speaker 3: you know you're gonna have to score at least thirty plus,
28:30
Speaker 3: you know, if I'm Dank and Chip Kelly, like I'm
28:32
Speaker 3: going into a game against in Oregon thinking I need
28:35
Speaker 3: to score thirty five the next time to win. But
28:39
Speaker 3: I do think there's things they can do, as I said,
28:41
Speaker 3: these things moving the line around that I think they
28:44
Speaker 3: can clean some of this stuff up.
28:45
Speaker 2: And obviously, like yeah, I.
28:47
Speaker 3: Don't know whether it was overconfidence, whether it was just
28:50
Speaker 3: film study of seeing organ throw a lot of short
28:52
Speaker 3: routes like you know, you can't have your corners doing
28:55
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff on double moves.
28:58
Speaker 1: Well, we will see whether the Buck guys can clean
29:00
Speaker 1: some of that stuff up. We will also see whether
29:02
Speaker 1: Ryan Day and Chip Kelly can put up thirty five points.
29:04
Speaker 1: And the next time they have a significant game like this,
29:07
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about the fact they put up
29:08
Speaker 1: thirty one points. Pretty good, pretty close, not quite enough,
29:11
Speaker 1: but pretty close. We talk about the offense the next
29:14
Speaker 1: time period. We always do the offense first. The defense
29:17
Speaker 1: has feels like it has been the story for good
29:19
Speaker 1: or for ill this week in Columbus. So started with
29:21
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29:24
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