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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Unsealed Grand Jury Documents From Florida (Part 1-3) (5/2/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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So we finally have our hands on the grand jury
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documents from Jeffrey Epstein's first arrest down in Florida. Now,
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this has been an ongoing battle for literally decades, and
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finally we're getting a look in full hd at the
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piss poor job that was done by the prosecutors down
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in Florida and their handlers in the federal government. And
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somebody like Barry Krisher really should be embarrassed. This is
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a man that shouldn't have a pension. He shouldn't be
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getting any sort of reward for his career after what
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occurred here. Sorry, So, like usual, we're gonna dive into
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the court documents. That way, everybody gets a look at
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what these documents say before I start running my big
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fat yap about what I think. With that bit of
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opining out of the way, why don't we just dive
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right into these documents in the Circuit Court of the
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Fifteenth Judicial Circuit in and four Palm Beach County, Florida,
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case number fifty DASH two zero one nine dash CAA
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DASH zero one four six eight one dash ag CA
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Florida Holdings LLC, Publisher of the Palm Beach Post plaintiff
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versus Joseph Abruzzo as Clerk and Comptroller of pom Beach County, Florida,
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the Order granting Plaintiff's motion for reconsideration of the Trial
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courts February twenty ninth, twenty twenty four order and canceling
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July eighth, twenty twenty four, hearing this cause having come
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before the Court on the Palm Beach Post's motion for
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reconsideration of the Trial Court's February twenty ninth, twenty twenty
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four order filed on June twelfth, twenty twenty four, and
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the Court having considered the motion, being advised of the
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arguments of the parties, and being otherwise advised of the premises,
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the Court grants the motion for reconsideration and at judicates
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the following procedural history. In twenty nineteen, the pom Beach
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Posts commenced this action seeking a declaration authorizing the release
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of testimony and related evidence presented to the pom Beach
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County Grand Jury in two thousand and six during the
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first Jeffrey Epstein's sex abuse investigation. On December twenty one,
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twenty twenty one, the trial court entered a final judgment
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dismissing the Palm Beach Posts first amended complaint on the
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grounds that the court lacked the statutory authority under Florida
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Statute nine zero five dot twenty seven to order the
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release of the Epstein grand jury materials. On May tenth,
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twenty twenty three, the Fourth District Court of Appeals remanded
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the case to the Circuit Court to conduct an in
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camera inspection of the Epstein grand jury materials to determine
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whether public disclosure would be furthering justice as defined by
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Florida Statute nine oh five dot two seven. The court
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ultimately determined the request did not further justice under the
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law as it existed at the time. The court stated
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that it must follow the law and cannot create new law.
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Lawmaking is a process that belongs exclusively to the people
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of Florida when they speak through their legislature and the
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executive branches. This concept is rudimentary and basic civics. The
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courts interpret law. The courts do not make law. It
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is also important to note that without an amendment to
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the statute, grand jury proceedings are generally always kept secret
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and are closed to the public. This is generally to
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protect jurors, witnesses, those accused, and the integrity of the case.
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Secrecy allows people to serve as jurors and witnesses to
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testify without fear of outside influence or retaliation. In some cases,
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it also ensures the protection of an innocent suspect's reputation.
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Secrecy also makes it less likely that a defendant will
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abscond after learning that they're being investigated. While if those
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do not apply to Epstein, the law at the time
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did not carve out an exception. During this time, among others,
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the Clerk of the Court, mister Joseph Abbruzzo, former state
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legislator with vast experience in the legislative process, advocated to
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state legislators to amend the law. Their efforts were successful.
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Florida's legislature unanimously passed Bill HB one seventeen. Once the
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bill passed both of the legislative houses, the Governor of Florida,
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Ron DeSantis, very quickly signed cs HB one seventeen, amending
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Florida Statute nine oh five dot two seven effect of
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July first, twenty twenty four. This amendment significantly modified the
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definition of furthering justice to expressly include furthering a public
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interest when the disclosure is requested pursue it to paragraph
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nine oh five dot two seven two s. It cannot
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be understated that the amendment to the law very clearly
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allows what previously was not legally permissible. The court's order
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denying the release of the records also gave leave of
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court for the Palm Beach Post to file a motion
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for reconsideration after July first, twenty twenty four under the
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new statute. On June twelfth, twenty twenty four, the Palm
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Beach Posts moved for reconsideration of the trial court's order
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based on the Florida Statute nine oh five dot two seven,
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as amended on July first, twenty twenty four. It cannot
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be disputed that the twenty twenty four amendments to Florida
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Statute nine oh five dot two seven were intended to
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remove the prior statutory hurdles to disclosure of the Epstein
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grand Jury materials. In fact, the Court notes the bill
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was often called the Epstein grand Jury Bill, recognizing the
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prior statutory construction did not allow release of these records.
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In the official press, releases. Governor DeSantis explained his reasons
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for signing cs HB one seventeen into law. Governor DeSantis stated,
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the public deserves to know who participated in the Jeffrey
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Epstein sex trafficking, nobody should be protected from facing justice
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due to their wealth or status, and those who harm
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children should be exposed and punished to the fullest extent
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of the law. Conclusions of fact and law. Florida's Statute
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nine oh five dot two seven to C now reads
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as follows. When a court orders the disclosure of such
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testimony pursuing to sub Section one, in response to a
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request by the media or an interested person, regardless of
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whether that purpose is for use in a criminal or
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a civil case, it may be disclosed so long as
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the subject of the grand jury inquiry is deceased. The
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grand jury inquiry related to criminal or sexual activity between
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the subject of the grand jury investigation and a person
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who was a minor at the time of the alleged
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criminal or sexual activity, the testimony was previously disclosed by
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a court order and the state attorney has provided notice
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of the request. This paragraph does not limit the court's
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ability to limit the disclosure of testimony including but not
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limited to redaction. With that new legal mechanism in place,
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the Court makes the following findings. The Court finds that
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the request involves a matter of public interest. The criminal
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prosecution of the most infamous pedophile and American history began
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in Palm Beach County with much controversy for almost twenty years.
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The story of how Jeffrey Epstein victimized some of his
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Palm Beach Counties most vulnerable has been the subject of
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much anger and has at times diminished the public's perception
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of the criminal justice system. Adding to the public interest,
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Epstein is indeed notorious and infamous, and is widely reported
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to have flaunted his wealth while covorting with politicians, billionaires,
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and even British Royalty. It's understandable that given those reports,
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the public has a great curiosity about what was widely
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reported by news agencies as special treatment. Regarding as prosecution,
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this matter is clearly the subject of public interest. Finds
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that this request is made by the news media, specifically
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The Palm Beach Post. The pom Beach Post is a
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daily newspaper that was founded in nineteen sixteen as a
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local publication in West Palm Beach. For decades, the Palm
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Beach Post was printed and published daily in Palm Beach County.
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The Court finds that despite its many changes, the pom
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Beach Post has a long and rich history documenting our
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local community. Many local residents still rely on the pom
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Beach Post to obtain information on national, state, and local events.
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The pom Beach Post remains a newspaper of record in
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our country. The Court finds. Epstein is also widely reported
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to have been deceased since August tenth, twenty nineteen, under
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controversial and newsworthy circumstances, while under supervision at Metropolitan Correctional
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Center in the state of New York. This adds to
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public interest. Having reviewed the testimony, the Court also finds
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the testimony relates to sexual activity between Epstein and child
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victims of sex trafficking. Again, it's widely accepted that Epstein
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is a notorious and serial pedophile. The testimony taken by
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the grand jury concerns activity ranging from grossly unacceptable to rape.
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All of the conduct at issue sexually deviant, disgusting, and criminal.
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The details in the record will be outrageous to decent people.
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It is also important to note that some of the
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testimony in the records of Epstein's pedophilia involved other people.
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But there is nothing in this record that was outside
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the knowledge of law enforcement or prosecutors. There is no
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new information. And just to interject here, that's what I
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always tell you, folks, Okay, these are receipts. This is
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where the rubber meets the road. Who's been lying to
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you and who's been telling you the truth? And who
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really cares about getting to the bottom of this. If
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people are out here talking about, oh, I follow the
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Epstein case, I'm reporting on it, YadA, YadA, YadA, and
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they're not even diving into the core documents, how could
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they be giving their audience or their listeners the really
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because they don't even know the truth themselves or the
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closest to the truth we're going to get. But what
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these court documents do, it just backs up everything that
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we've been talking about for all these years. Back to
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the document. Tragically, the record reveals that Epstein used children
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to find more victims. The record also shows that some
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of the children knew the type of people they could
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be exposed to and the infamous nature of such notable people.
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The court also notes that testimony was previously disclosed to
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law enforcement agencies. Furthermore, the state attorney was properly noticed
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and long ago withdrew any objections to release the records,
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and early on even did his best to disclose the
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information in his office possession without delay via an Internet portal.
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As a result, he was eventually dropped as a name
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party in this action. After much inconvenience and expense, it
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is ordered and adjudged. The motion for reconsideration is granted.
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It is further ordered and to judge. The hearing scheduled
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for July eighth, twenty twenty four, is moot and is canceled.
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It is further ordered and adjudged. The Palm Beach post
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petition to release the grand jury proceedings regarding Jeffrey Epstein
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under Florida Statute nine oh five dot two seven, as
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amended July first, twenty twenty four, is granted, with only
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a few redactions made by the court to protect the
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identity of the miners. The Court hereby authorizes the Clerk
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of the Court to release the redacted clerk notes and
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transcripts of the testimony in their entirety attached as Exhibit A.
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The court is not aware of anything more to review
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and disclose. Done and ordered at West Palm Beach, pom
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Beach County, Florida, and this document was signed by Luis Delgado.
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All Right, so we're gonna wrap up this episode here
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and in the next episode we're gonna dive into the
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meat and potatoes and get rocking and rolling. All of
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the information that goes with this episode can be found
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in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome, come
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back to the Epstein chronicles. In this episode, we're going
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to get it right back to those grand jury documents
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and this is going to be the actual transcript of
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the preceding and like usual, you might want to have
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your barf bag ready. In the fifth Circuit of the
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fifteenth Judicial Circuit in in four pom Beach County, Florida,
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Grand Jury preceding Jeffrey Epstein on behalf of the state
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Barry Krisher, State Attorney, Palm Beach, Florida, and Lana Belohovlik
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and Mary Anne Duggan. Wednesday July nineteenth, two thousand and six,
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Grand Jury Room, pom Beach County Courthouse, nine fourteen am
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to twelve fifty two pm. Witnesses Joseph Riccary, Gregory Parkinson,
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and Jensen Ross. And we also have some redacted names
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which are the miners. Obviously be it remembered that the
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following proceedings were had at the Palm Beach County Courthouse,
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located in the city of Palm Beach, state of Florida,
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on Wednesday, July nineteenth, two thousand and six, beginning at
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nine fourteen am, with appearance as herein before noted to
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wit thereupon Miss Dugan, everybody ready, Witness Joseph Riccary. Miss Dugan,
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would you raise your right hand? Do you swear or
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affirm that the testimony you're about to give today will
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be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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So help you God. The witness who is Joseph Riccary.
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I do, Miss Dugan, please have a seat, Riccary, Thank
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you the examination. Bye, missus Bellohovlick. Question, Good morning, answer,
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Good morning Bellohovelick. Detective Riccary, could you introduce yourself please, Riccary.
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My name is Detective Joseph Riccary with the Palm Beach
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Police Department, prosecutor. Okay, what is your position there? Riccary,
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I'm a detective in the Special Investigations unit. Prosecutor. What
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do you invest mistigate and special investigations, Ricary, long term investigations,
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financial crimes, white collar crimes, just about any any kinds
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of crimes, Prosecutor, Okay, ones that are going on for
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a long period of time, though usually Ricary correct, a
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long period, prosecutor. Not a murder that happened last night, Ricary, right, prosecutor, Okay.
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Did you become involved in an investigation under case number
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zero five zero zero, three six eight, Ricary, that's correct, Prosecutor.
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When did you become involved in this Ricary in September
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of two thousand and five, prosecutor, okay. Was there another
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detective investigating this case before then, Riccary, That's correct. Her
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name was Michelle Pagan, prosecutor, okay, and she at some
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point turned it over to you, Ricary, correct, Prosecutor, have
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you familiarized yourself either speaking with Detective Pagan or going
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through reports as so? What was done when she was
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detective on the case, Ricary, Yes, I have, Prosecutor, Okay.
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How did this case come to the attention of the
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Palm Beach Police Department, Ricary on March fourteenth, two thousand
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and five, a phone call was received from Redacted who
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felt that there was a well some sexual activity had
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occurred with her daughter. Prosecutor Okay and Redacted's name is redacted,
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Ricary redacted prosecutor Okay and who was her daughter? Riccary?
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Her stepdaughter is redacted? Prosecutor. What did Redacted think was
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going on? Riccary? What had occurred was that Redacted had
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gotten into a fight at redacted school and subsequent after
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the fight, they discovered three hundred bucks in her purse.
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When questioning the three hundred dollars, she had told them
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that she had received it from a man in Palm Beach.
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Prosecutor Okay. Did Redacted also overhear a conversation where they
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were talking about sex that might have accepted money for
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having sex with the man? Ricary? Yes, that's correct. She
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had some kinds of sexual activity with a man in
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Palm Beach, Prosecutor and was paid for it, Ricary correct.
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Prosecutor Okay was Detective Pagan able to find out the
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circumstances about why the fight occurred? Ricary, it was rumored
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that she had slept with a man in Palm Beach
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in at redacted school. Prosecutor, she being redacted Ricary redacted?
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Question from the prosecutor? Okay, Ricary, correct, prosecutor, and she
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heard the rumor that she was a prostitute and that's
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what started the fight, Ricary, correct, Prosecutor. Who did she
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have the fight with Riccary, a girl by the name
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of redacted? Prosecutor Okay. Where the fight occurred at school? Ricary, Yes, prosecutor.
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Who actually found the money in redacted to purse? Ricary
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the freshman assistant principal. Prosecutor, Okay, and how much was
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in the purse? Ricari three hundred? Prosecutor. Was Detective Pagan
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able to interview redacted Ricary? Yeah, Prosecutor. Where did that occur, Riccary?
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That occurred at the Palm Beach Police Department, prosecutor, Okay?
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Did redacted initially? Well, it was redacted initially honest with
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Detective Pagan. Ricary. Originally she did not tell everything that occurred.
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It was through a subsequent interview that the further information
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was developed. Prosecutor, what did redacted tell Detective Pagan initially?
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Riccary Initially she said that she had gone to the
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house with a girl by the name of redacted to
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pick up money that was owed to her. When she
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Detective Pegan further questioned her, she explained that she was
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taken to the house to provide a massage to a
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wealthy man in Palm Beach. Prosecutor. Okay, So she initially
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denied that though, and said there was no act on
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her part between this man and herself Ricary corrector okay,
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But she ultimately told them that she went for a
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massage Riccary, correct, prosecutor to give him massage, Ricary correct,
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prosecutor Okay. Did Redacted discuss with Detective Pagan that what
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Redacted had told her about what was going on at
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the house, Like, did you know Redacted was going to
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bring you here to do a massage and that you
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are going to get money, Riccary, Yes, Prosecutor. What did
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redacted say? Redacted explain to her Riccary originally let me
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if I can read this. Originally the first interview was done.
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I'm sorry at redacted school, she was going to the
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house to provide the massage. It was offered to her
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by redacted to provide the massage to this man, who
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was later identified as Jeffrey Epstein, Prosecutor. Okay, did redacted
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admit to Detective Pagan knowing that redacted work for this
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man in exchange for doing sexual favors? Riccary, Yes, prosecutor.
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Did she say that she was offered the opportunity to
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do those and that's why she went there? Riccary, Yes, Prosecutor. Okay.
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Did Detective Pegan ask redacted if she ever discussed was
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redacted about letting this man know her age? Riccary, It
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was discussed in the ride over that if if she
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was asked her age to say that she was eighteen?
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Prosecutor okay, and redacted and redacted agreed that she was
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going to do that at fast. Riccari, Yes, prosecutor. Okay.
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Now the prosecutor of bellehov Lic switches gears. At this point,
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we're going to ask redacted to testify, Okay, Riccary. Okay,
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bellohov Lic, please hang around. You're going to testify again
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in a little bit. Riccary, Okay, bellohove Lic, thank you. Now,
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this is the witness herself who they brought up in
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front of the grand jury and absolutely savaged witness redacted.
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Miss Dugan, come on in. We're going to have you
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sit over here. Could you raise your right hand me?
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Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about
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to give today will be the truth, the whole truth,
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and nothing but the truth. So help you God, the witness,
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I do, miss Dugan. When you're here testifying, everything's recorded
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with a microphone system, so you have to can you
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put your hand down? You have to answer as you
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did verbally or you can't shake your head because that
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won't be recorded in the system that's going on, So
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you have to say yes or no. You can't shake
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your head. And one important thing is you're here today
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before the grand jury, and it's a crime to lie
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to the grand jury. And in our terms we call
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it perjury, but in regular people's terms, it's lying to
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the grand jury. So there is one important rule here today.
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You must tell them the truth, one hundred percent the truth.
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There is cause you cannot. There's no penalty for telling
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the truth. It's the opposite. If it can be shown
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proven that you lied to the grand jury, there is
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a crime of perjury. Do you understand that that seems
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a bit unnecessary? No, poor kid, the witness, I do, Dugan,
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is that a yes? The witness, Yes, Dugan, okay, So
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move up to the microphone a little bit and be
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sure that you speak yes or no, and so that
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even the folks in the top of this room can
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hear your answers. Okay, the witness Okay, Examination time, bellohove Lick,
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all right, could you tell me who you are? Answer?
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I'm redacted, bellhove Lic. How old are you? Redacted? Witness sixteen,
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bellohove Lic. What's your birthday? Witness nineteen ninety, bellhove Lic.
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How old were you in February of two thousand and five?
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Witness I was fourteen still, bellhove Lic, fourteen or fifteen?
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Bellhove Lic. I was fourteen? Still, Well, this happened when
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I was fourteen. So, bellhove Lic, you turned Witness fifteen
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in redacted of that year, bellhove Lic, And you just
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turned sixteen now, Witness Yeah, bellhove Lic. Okay, So you
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were just short of fifteen. Witness. Uh huh, BELLHOVELC. All right,
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Where do you live? Witness? I live in redacted? BELLHOVELC.
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Where do you go to school? Witness? I'm going to
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be starting school at redacted school. Bellhove Lic, Okay, that's
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redacted school. Uh huh, Bellehovec. Where did you go to
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high school in two thousand and five? Witness redacted? Bellhovevic.
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Where is that witness in redacted Bellhovec on what road? Witness?
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I Bellehovlc redacted witness. Yeah, probably Bellhovlc. What grade were
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you in in two thousand and five when you were
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at redacted school? Witness? I was in ninth grade, Bellhovelc.
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Did you know someone named or redacted Witness? Yes, bellhove Lic.
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How did you know redacted Witness? I used to date
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her cousin, Bellhovelc. Alright, how old's redacted witness at the time?
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I think she was eighteen or nineteen. I think Bellhovlc.
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Who was her cousin that you dated? Witness redacted? Bellhovelc
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was redacted to school at redacted or? Did you know
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her from outside school? Witness? I knew her from outside
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the school, bellhove Lic. How much contact did you have
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with redacted Witness? I met her about well, I met
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her the night before I went to Jeffrey's house. Bellehove Lic. Okay,
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tell us about the night when you met redacted Witness.
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I was with my boyfriend redacted at my house and
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her or his aunt lives like four streets down from mine.
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So we went to say hi to his aunt and stuff,
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and redacted was there and I was introduced bellohove Lick.
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Had you met her before that night? Witness at like
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a family football thing, like they had a family get
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together for a football game, and she was there, bellehove
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Lic Okay, Witness. But I just said hi to her,
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Bellhovlc all right, Witness, Like I never knew her, like
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who she was, bellohove Lic. Not a lot a lot
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of conversations. Witness. Yeah, Witness. Again, it was just kind
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of like, Hi, nice to meet you, Bellahovlik. Okay. That
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night you go down there, you meet her, what happens? Witness. Yeah.
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And then it was just like kind of like a
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regular night and we were just hanging out watching TV.
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And then like it was like eleven thirty ish or
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ten something like that, and she was like, what are
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you doing tomorrow? And I said nothing, and then she
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was like, oh, well, do you want to make like
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two hundred dollars? And I was like yeah, sure, and
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then she was like, well, you're going to have to
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like meet my friend Jeffrey Epstein and he lives in
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a big, humongous mansion and like he lives on the
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water and all this stuff. And I was like, whoa,
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that's really cool. And she's like, but you have to
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give him a massage for like forty minutes and that's
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all you have to do, and you get like two
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hundred dollars for it, and it's really easy. And I
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was like, okay, like whatever, it's just a massage. And
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then Redacted was like he was wondering what happened, and
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then we were just told him and he was like
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like arguing with redacted, and then him and Redacted went
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to the bathroom for like a couple of minutes to argue,
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and Redacted had like her boyfriend there, so me and
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him were stuck in like the living room watching TV
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listening to them argue for a couple of minutes, and
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then they came back. Then we went outside and Redacted
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had called Jeffrey on the phone, and Jeffrey's assistant lady,
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I don't remember her name, she answered the phone and
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she said that somebody that could give Jeffrey a massage tomorrow.
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And the lady asked how old I was and who
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I was, like what my name was? But redacted said that, like,
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I had to be eighteen. So she told the lady
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I was eighteen and that I went to redacted and
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I was a senior and everything, and so the little
25:38
assistant lady said like, okay, that's fine, come in tomorrow.
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So then I went home. I and she's interrupted here
25:45
by Bellahovlick. Okay, let me stop you here. Couple of things.
25:49
Witness Okay, all right, We're gonna wrap up right here,
25:53
and in the next episode, we're gonna pick up where
25:55
we left off, and that's with Bellohoeflick asking the next question,
25:59
which is do you know if redacted and redacted we're
26:02
arguing about. All of the information that goes with this
26:05
episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
26:09
and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. We're gonna pick
26:13
up where we left off with the Grand Jerry transcripts
26:16
from down in Palm Beach, and so we left off
26:19
with Bellohovlck asking questions of the witness. Bellohovlc, do you
26:24
know if redacted and redacted were what they were arguing about? Witness, Yeah,
26:30
because redacted didn't want me to go, because I guess
26:33
he knew about like my his cousin kind of did
26:36
that already. And she's interrupted here and Bellohovlik, did that
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concern you that redacted didn't want you to go and
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that you were agreeing to go anyway? Witness? Well, yeah,
26:46
because well he was. I was like, I guess because
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I was fourteen and he was like sixteen and stuff,
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and he was just like, don't go, don't go, don't go.
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And I was like, well, it's two hundred and I
26:57
was fourteen and I was like two hundred dollars, so
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I didn't really care what he said, bellehove Lic okay.
27:04
And from listening to redacted end of that phone conversation,
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the person at Jeffrey's house was trying to verify that
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you were at least eighteen answer, uh huh question okay?
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Is that yes, Witness? Yes, sorry, Bellehovlc okay, Witness. And
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but like after she hung up that phone with the lady,
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she explained to me that what we went back inside
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the house and she explained to me that I was
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going to have to like tell the lady, like make
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up a lie about my whole life. Like that, I went,
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I'm graduating from redacted already, that I'm eighteen all this stuff,
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and that I've known redacted for a long time, like
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just make it look like I was older. And so
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I agreed to do all that stuff, and then I
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went home for the night. And then the next morning,
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Redacted had another lady, like another teenage girl, I don't
27:52
remember her name. She was in the truck with her
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and like we were leaving my house, and but my
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dad saw and I told her we were going to
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the mall in Palm Beach, and my dad's like, okay,
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he didn't have a problem, and since it was redacted
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or Redacted's cousin, he didn't care that I was going
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with redacted. But he met Like we were leaving and
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my dad was coming in the office. They were like
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pulling into my driveway and he saw redacted and redacted
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as my dad for five dollars for gas. So my
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dad said like, yeah, sure, five dollars whatever, and then
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we left and then when we got to Jeffrey's house,
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she gets interrupted here by a BELLOHOVLC, do you know
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Jeffrey's full name? Witness Jeffrey Epstein or Epstein or whatever. BELLOHOVLC,
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where was the house witness it's in pom Beach whatever.
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But then we pull up in the driveway, nobody was there,
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like Redacted like he's not home. So we walked up. Anyways,
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we all got out of the car and there was
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like a gate that you have to walk into to
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go to the back door, and there was like a
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security guard or whatever, and he has like a little
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office or whatever in the back and he saw us,
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so he came up to the gate and he asked
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us what we were there for, and Redacted said Jeffrey,
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and so the guy was like okay, and he opened
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the gate. All three of us went in to the
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back door towards the kitchen, because I guess the kitchen's
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right there when you open the door. So we were
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sitting like in a bar like this, and we were
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waiting for about fifteen minutes, and then Jeffrey and the
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assistant walked in through the back door also, and that's
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when I first met Jeffrey and we shook hands, and
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then the lady also introduced herself to and then the
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lady was talking to redacted and to the other girl
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for a couple of seconds and then Jeffrey said who's
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going to go first or whatever? And redacted and the
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other girl's like, I don't care. And then Jeffrey's like,
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how about you, pointing to me, and I was like okay,
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And then I was like looking back at redacted and laughing,
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and then she was just like scooted at her hand
29:53
to go, and she was laughing too, and I was
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like okay. So then we in the kitchen. It was
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like a little hallway, not really, but it's like a
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stairway to go upstairs. And we were walking up there,
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and the assistant lady walked me up there, and as
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Jeffrey was talking to them after, and then she was
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pointing out like all these pictures and all this stuff,
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and then leading me to like a bathroom. It was
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like really big though, and like there were two closets,
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and she went into the closet and pulled out the
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massage table and set it out in front of like
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this couch, and then she put like a little blanket
30:27
or whatever over the massage table, and then she opened
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up a drawer and there was like a whole bunch
30:32
of different like lotions for getting massages, and she just
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picked like a couple of them out and just set
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them on the vanity table. There was a big, big
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mirror on the other wall, opposite to the massage table.
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And then and then she told me to get well,
30:47
not undressed, but like put keep your bron panties on.
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And I was like okay, and then she said she's
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interrupted here by Belohovlik. Had Redakta told you about that before,
30:59
Witness No, I thought like it was going to be
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a massage, like you keep your clothing on, and that
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when I got in the room, that's what the That's
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when the lady like explained that I would have to
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do just to get undressed and keep my bron panties on.
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And then she's interrupted by bellehovec and did you do that,
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Witness yes, bellehove Lic is at a yes, Witness yes.
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And then to stay in the room for a couple
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of seconds and then Jeffrey would be coming in the
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room any minute. And then Jeffrey did come in the
31:28
room and he said hi, Andy, shook my hand again.
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But then he went out of the room and he
31:33
got undressed, but he had a towel on. And then
31:35
he came into the room again and laid belly down
31:38
on the massage table. Bellhovec. Okay, stop a minute. What
31:41
did this man look like this Jeffrey Epstein Witness old Bellehoveleck.
31:46
How old? Witness he looked like maybe fifty ish Bellhovc okay,
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witness forty Bellhovec. How was he dressed when you initially
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met him? Witness like he was going golfing. He just
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had like a Polo T shirt on in khaki pants
32:03
Bellohovk okay. And how were you met when you first
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went to his Were you dressed when you first went
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to his house? Answer? Yeah, I was wearing a regular
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T shirt, my Hollister shirt and just some jeans Bellohovelc okay.
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What kind of underwear did you have on? Answer A
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thong Bellohovelc. And the bra? What type of bra? Answer
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it was a bra? Bellohovic Okay, no special answer, Uh huh, Bellohovlc.
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Certain type but thong underwear. Were you uncomfortable getting down
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to your bra and underwear? Answer yeah, like at I
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was kind of hesitant. I was like sitting in the
32:41
room for until Jeffrey came in, like thinking like to myself, well,
32:45
like what's going on? Like, I don't know. I was
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kind of hesitant, but then I just didn't care because
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I wanted two hundred dollars because I wanted to spend it.
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So I just didn't care. I just and she's cut
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off here by bellohovlc once again. Okay, okay, all right.
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So he comes out and he's in a towel. Start
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from there, answer and then he like laid on the
33:06
massage table, like got on his stomach, and then he
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told me, like to grab any of the three lotions
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that she had put down on the table, and so
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I just grabbed one of them and then I just
33:16
gave like I sat first, I wasn't sitting on the
33:19
table because he was sitting on the table, and it
33:21
was kind of like I just stood up, and then
33:23
I started to give him a massage. And then he's
33:26
making conversation asking me exactly what redacted was going to
33:30
tell me to do, like if what high school do
33:33
you go to and all that stuff. So BELLOHOVLK did
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he ask how old you were? Answer yes? And I
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to that she's cut off by BELLOHOVLCK And what did
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you tell him? Answer? I told him I was eighteen,
33:46
and he asked me, like, what do I like to
33:48
do in my spare time? And I said I dance
33:51
and all this stuff and just making small talk. And
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then he's like, oh, well, you don't have to stand up,
33:58
you can sit on the table. And so I sat
33:59
up on the table and I was giving him a massage,
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and I think the massage it was a couple of minutes,
34:04
like fifteen or twenty minutes, and this whole time we
34:07
were just conversating about anything, and he was telling me
34:11
how we had another house in New York and just
34:13
a whole bunch of stuff that I was like amused by.
34:16
And then after like twenty minutes of giving him a
34:18
massage or thirty minutes or something, it was around that time,
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he asked me if I wanted to make an extra
34:23
hundred dollars Bellohovlc. Before we get there, let me just
34:27
ask you a couple of things. You said that the
34:29
assistant had you undress. Answer yeah, Bellohovlc. Is that yes?
34:35
Answer yeah, Bellohovic. Do you remember telling Detective Pegan that
34:39
it was Jeffrey Epstein that asked you to undress? Answer No,
34:43
I'm like positive it wasn't Jeffrey because he didn't come
34:46
in the room till after I was already in my
34:48
underwear and my bra Bellhovec Okay, So if that's in
34:52
her report, that's incorrect. Witness Yes, bellohovlc, all right, when
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you talk about getting on the table, do you recall
34:59
telling Detective Gone that you were actually straddling him and
35:02
your she cuts off bellohovlic here. Answer that's yeah, that's
35:08
what when I got on the table, like after he
35:10
after a couple of minutes, bellohove Lic okay, and you
35:13
were straddling him with your bare buttox to his bare buttocks.
35:17
Answer yeah, well, kind of there was a towel that
35:20
like it was kind of covering his butt but not
35:23
really covering his butt. It was like not really covering
35:26
his butt. But I was laying like on his lower
35:28
back near his butt, but like I wasn't on his
35:32
butt bellohove lic. So if she wrote you stated you
35:35
exposed your bare buttocks were touching his bear buttox, answer
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that it'd be kind of correct. Bellhovic Okay, bellhove Lic.
35:45
So how long did that go on when you were
35:48
sitting on top of him? Answer until like the massage
35:51
part was over and then he like asked, well, would
35:54
you like to make an extra hundred dollars And then
35:56
I said sure. And then he's like, but you have
36:00
like you're not going to be giving the massage anymore.
36:02
It's going to be something different. And I was like, well,
36:05
what is it? And then he's like, can I use
36:08
a vibrator on you? And I said okay. And then
36:12
so then he got up and he went into his
36:14
like other room for a couple of seconds, like literally
36:17
a couple of seconds, and then came back into the
36:19
room and next to the little vanity, big mirror and
36:22
all the big table, there was like on the floor
36:25
there was just like the vibrator. It looked like a
36:28
vibrator to me, bellohove lic what did it look like? Answer?
36:33
It was like purple, and it was like it was
36:35
like kind of a like massager but not really like
36:38
it looked like a massager, but it wasn't really a massager.
36:41
And she's cut off by bellohove lick. Here what was
36:44
it shape like? Answer? Like circular in the top, and
36:49
then it was like a handle on the bottom, bellohove lick. Okay,
36:52
all right, witness. And then after he grabbed that, he
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laid me back on the table, and except this time
36:59
he was on his back and I was partially on
37:01
the table, like half of my butt cheek and my
37:03
leg was on the table and the one leg was
37:06
on the floor and like sometimes I put it on
37:09
the couch like cause the couch was right here and
37:12
the table was right there, so it was kind of close.
37:15
And I he told me to keep giving him a massage,
37:19
but to give a massage on his chest. Bellahovik. So
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you're sitting on the table now and he's standing up, Witness. No, no, no,
37:28
he was lying back on the table, but like I
37:30
was kind of on the table, like half my butt
37:32
and my leg was on the table and the other
37:34
half was like part like on the couch like I
37:37
was holding she's interrupted here again by bellohovlc okay, but
37:40
he's laying down, Witness, Yeah, bellohovlc okay, Witness. And then
37:46
I was giving a massage on his chest and he
37:49
was still talking for a couple of minutes. Then he
37:51
used the vibrator and like that was for like ten minutes,
37:54
maybe year or so, I think, and then bellohovlc, Now
37:58
I have to be detailed here. Where was he using
38:01
the vibrator. Witness, can I say along my vagina, bellohov
38:06
lic okay, Witness, I don't know what else to say,
38:11
bellehovlc all right, go ahead, okay, And then and then
38:14
after for a couple of minutes, that's what he was doing.
38:17
And then he jerked off for a couple of minutes,
38:20
like I was still on the table, and redacted told
38:22
me that if if you like, if he does that,
38:24
then you have to get more money, because that's like
38:27
he gives you extra money if he jerks off anyways,
38:29
because I guess it's some like his indiscernible or whatever.
38:33
And to that, she's cut off once again by bellohov
38:36
lick and redacted, I'd told you that before, answer mm hmm.
38:41
She I she told me that like the night that
38:44
I like, had this whole conversation with her, and she
38:46
told me about it, bellohove lic okay. So she didn't
38:49
just tell you were going for a massage. She told
38:52
you that there you might have to take your clothes off. Witness. No,
38:57
she didn't tell me that I would have to take
38:58
my clothes off, but she said that if he jerks
39:00
off in front of you, then you can get more money,
39:03
bellehovik okay, So when he offered you the extra hundred dollars,
39:07
you had a pretty good idea of what was coming next.
39:10
Answer yeah, bellohovlc okay answer and bellohovelc once again cuts
39:16
her off. And when you say jerked off, what do
39:18
you mean? Answer? He put his hand on his penis
39:22
and started going up and down kind of fast. Bellohovec.
39:25
Could you see his penis at that point? Answer yeah, bellohovec.
39:30
Is that a yes? Answer? Yes, BELLOHOVLC All right, go ahead.
39:33
That went on for how long? Answer A couple seconds? Maybe,
39:37
like yeah, like forty seconds. And then and then after that,
39:40
like the massage was over, and he went into out
39:43
of the door back to wherever he goes. I couldn't
39:45
see where he was going because the door was this way.
39:48
And he walked out, and I guess he had like
39:51
his money behind the door, because it only took a
39:53
couple of seconds for him to come back into the room.
39:56
And then he opened his money like this wad and
39:59
gave me three hundred dollar bills and told me thank
40:01
you and I and then he's like, there's a notepad
40:05
there next to the couch and told me to write
40:07
my name and number because I had a cell phone
40:09
at the time, and he told me to write my
40:11
cell phone number down and how he could get a
40:13
hold of me and all this stuff. So I wrote
40:16
my number down and wrote my name, and then after
40:19
that he just left the room and told me I
40:21
could get dressed again and that it was done. I
40:24
was over, Bellhovevic. Did you actually see him ejaculate? Answer no,
40:30
bellhove Lic. Okay. Did he not ejaculate or you didn't
40:33
see that? Answer? If he did, I didn't see it, Bellohovelc.
40:37
Do you recall telling Detective Pegan it happened in a
40:39
different sequence, Answer no, bellohove Lic, and that he masturbated
40:44
first before he put the vibrator on your vagina. Answer
40:48
maybe this was like two and a half years ago,
40:50
so bellhove Lic, Okay, witness that could have happened, Bellohovic.
40:56
Do you recall not telling her about the vibrator at all? Yeah,
41:00
Bellhovec the first time you talked to her. Answer yeah,
41:03
I remember that because I was scared. Bellhovec. Okay, Why
41:06
were you scared about that and not scared about telling
41:09
her that he ejaculated in front of you or masturbated
41:12
in front of you. Answer because that's his body and
41:16
the vibrators on my body, Bellhovec. So he didn't want
41:19
to admit that you would allowed him to touch you.
41:22
Answer yeah, Bellhovlc, and he gave you three hundred dollars.
41:25
Answer yeah, Bellohovec. You left your numbers so he'd contact
41:29
you again. Answer yeah, Bellohovelc. Okay. When he left the room,
41:34
what happened you got dressed? Did he take you downstairs?
41:38
You go downstairs by yourself? Answer? I just went downstairs
41:42
by myself, Bellhovelyk. Who was down there? Was the redacted
41:45
still down there? Answer? Uh huh. The redacted was there,
41:49
and the other girl was there, and the assistant lady.
41:51
She might have been there, but I don't know. I
41:53
can't remember. But then after that we left like they
41:56
didn't do anything. They didn't. She got money, but she
41:59
didn't do any thing, Bellohovlc. Who who is she? Answer
42:04
from the witness? Redacted? Did bellohove lick Okay do how
42:08
much money she got? Answer? I think it was three
42:11
hundred two bellohove Lic okay, witness or maybe two hundred
42:15
three hundred bellohove Lic do you know what that was for?
42:20
Answer No. At the time, I thought maybe she did
42:23
something with somebody else in the house. But then I
42:25
was like thinking, there was only Jeffrey and the lady there. Like,
42:29
I didn't think anything of it, and I she's cut
42:32
off here by bellohove lick. But did you learn that
42:34
she got money for bringing you there? Answer? Yeah, I
42:37
kind of figured that when I got back home, Like,
42:40
I was thinking about it for a while and I realized, well,
42:43
it's probably because she brought me there. All right, folks,
42:46
we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next episode,
42:48
we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
42:51
the information that goes with this episode can be found
42:54
in the description box.