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China & Russia’s Coordinated Plan to Take Down America (Gen. Robert Spalding Interview) · Man in America Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So today's episode I am very excited for. But it's also a solemn episode because everywhere we look, the America we once knew is barely recognizable. Empty shelves, a collapsing dollar, tent cities, soaring drug overdoses, riots, race wars, drag queen story hour, thought control, censorship, and a hatred and social unrest that's reaching boiling point.
• 0:33
  It's as if we woke up in a dystopian novel with attacks coming from all angles. And what if that's precisely the point? What if these aren't just isolated events? What if everything that we're seeing in our country right now is part of a diabolical one hundred year plan by the Chinese Communist Party to crush America and gain dominion over the entire world? Today, I'll be speaking with General Robert Spaulding, a retired brigadier general from the US Air Force and a national security expert who has studied the CCP for decades, and who is warning us of the imminent threat it poses.
• 1:12
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• 1:36
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• 1:49
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• 2:41
  Alright, folks, so today's show is a very important topic, and I think it's a topic that every major media should be covering, but they're not. This should be the topic of everything in the White House, but it's not. And my guest today, General Spaulding, I first saw on a series of interviews with The Epoch Times with Yanya Kalek over American Thought Leaders. And I went out and bought his book, which he's got a couple books out. This is his most recent one called War Without Rules.
• 3:08
  And his previous one is called Stealth War. Both of these books I highly, highly recommend, because they give a very clear picture of what the Chinese Communist Party is doing, how it's been waging war against The United States for a very long time. It's just not the kind of war that we recognize intentionally, and a little bit of insight into what their endgame is. So without further ado, I'm gonna bring on my guest today, Robert General Robert Spaulding. So General Spaulding, thank you so very, very much for joining me today.
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you. It's great to be here.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: So do you want to give us just a quick introduction of yourself and your background?
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: Sure. You know, I grew up in California, I thought I was going to farm on the family farm. I got a degree in ag business. And then, in my senior year in college, I saw this movie Top Gun. I thought, wow, that would be interesting.
• 4:03
  And so I ended up joining the Air Force, spent a career in the Air Force, flying the b two, a stealth bomber, but also spent quite a bit of time in China, including being the senior defense official in Beijing and then the senior director for strategy at the National Security Council where I worked on our national security strategy and where a lot of the, you know, thoughts that go into my books really came from. So it's been a it's been a totally different career than I aspired to when I was growing up, but it was nevertheless been very it's been a blessing.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: And your the books both your books I've read, I know you've written more, have really focused on China's really goal to overtake America and to wage a constant war in America. When in your career did you start to see that this was just what their plans were?
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I lived there as an, what's called an Olmsted scholar from 02/2002 to 02/2004. So Olmsted scholars go overseas. So I was a young, just pinned on major in the air force and was selected for the program. I went to learn Chinese at the Defense Language Institute. So I spent a year studying in Monterey, California.
• 5:20
  And then I went to live in Shanghai with my family as and studied at the university, there for two years and traveled the country and got to know the people, the culture, the history, geography of China. And it was a fantastic, wonderful experience. And, and, you know, I told my wife when I left in 02/2004, I wanted to go back and, and work in China because it was such a, it was such a fantastic really experience, and the Chinese people were, you know, so friendly. And then, later on, as I rose in rank and had the opportunity to work for the chairman of the joint chiefs on, US China policy is really when I began began to become aware of, you know, how the Chinese Communist Party actually operated. I didn't really you don't see it.
• 6:05
  They're living in the ground, with the people, particularly because, you know, you're not Chinese, you're not gonna really understand what's going on, and they do a good job of hiding it from outsiders. But understanding what the communist party is and how it works and operates is something that, you know, since I've come to understand. And and so it's really almost 02/2014, you know, by the time that I really had the opportunity to start to really get into what this was. And it's, you know, it's been an incredible, journey because it's such a different world when you start to understand kind of what they're doing and how they do it.
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: So your book is very focused on a a book that was released by two high level generals, if I understand correctly. And Chinese generals that was in the late I think it was '99. Right? Called unrestricted warfare. And to me, that was so I bought the original version of it.
• 7:09
  That was just the direct translation. But also your second book really does a good job of translating it and interpreting it. So can you just give a summary of what UW, unrestricted warfare, is? And just how though it feels like right now, we're not in a war, but through the from the perspective of the Chinese, that they may have been waging a war against The United States for a very, very long time. And they just identified that war is no longer just missiles and guns and bullets, but it's financial, it's social media, it's intellectual property.
• 7:43
  So can you give us give a little explanation of what unattretted warfare is?
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I am you know, as a b two pilot and as a Air Force officer, I studied war for, you know, most of my adult life. And I know, I'd, you know, have, you know, long term professional military education, spent a year at the Air War College where we just do nothing but study, you know, war and, you know, the politics surrounding war. And I think the the thing that really struck me was when I in 02/2014, when I was working for the chairman of the joint chiefs, I got this briefing, this briefing sent to me by, somebody that I'd met in in Wall Street, when I was a senior military fellow at the council on foreign relations. And this briefing set out, you know, the attack that was coming from China on several US companies, and they were various sizes from various industries.
• 8:40
  And when I, when I looked at this briefing, it reminded me of my time planning the Kosovo war. And so the easiest way to understand this is, in the Kosovo war, really when the war was brought to its conclusion, the way it was brought to its conclusion was using b twos. So airplanes that I flew dropping 2,000 pound bombs on the assets of the leaders in Serbia supporting Milosevic. She was the leader of Serbia at the time. It was warehouses.
• 9:17
  It was factories. It was real estate. It was the things that, the people, the elites in Serbia owned. And so we would take them out and night after night, and after two weeks, they had had enough and Milosevic ended up having to go face, you know, war crimes tribunal in The Hague. What I saw in this briefing was a similar kind of war, and it was, you know, was focused on the assets, you know, American assets.
• 9:47
  So when you start to dig into this at a very basic level, it's using many of the concepts of war. It's just turned on its head and used in a way because, you know, as Clausewitz, who's a very famous war theoretician, he was a Prussian general, said, you know, famously, war is politics by other means. In other words, you use military force to achieve a political outcome. What the Chinese Communist Party recognized with globalization and the Internet, this bringing together of, the world was going to open up the opportunity to make warfare political as a means for getting what you want. So rather than using the tools that I had been trained with, bombs and airplanes, you could use finance, trade, economics, politics, and technology, like you said, social media, to begin to influence those, you know, nations and in particular those elites of those nations that could do the types of things that you needed them to do.
• 10:49
  And so in that book, unrestricted warfare that you talk about, they lay out how you might go about influencing the elites of another country to enable them to achieve your interests.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: And one thing that you spoke about in your earlier book was the multiple times when you wanted to do started you saw the writing on the wall, and you wanted to have different organizations or governmental bodies do more research into the threat of China, and how you just were met with closed door after closed door to closed door. Everything from things within the government to corporations to other various organizations that that were should have been the ones that were researching what was happening. So which really point out that the level of how compromised a lot of people in our country are companies, and it may not be compromised through say blackmail, but a lot of it was actually through financial. They've got Chinese investors, and therefore, they're not gonna step on their toes. And the Chinese have known that.
• 11:50
  So in your experience, how much of our government and, you know, our corporations, media, etcetera, are actually directly or indirectly being controlled by the Chinese Communist Party?
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: It's almost totally, to be honest with you. And and the reason is not because they're they're traitorous or they're you know, they want to seek the downfall of The United States in terms of, you know, our corporate leaders or our financial leaders. But their financial interests and by law, they're as, as fiduciaries of the companies, they're responsible for seeking the best outcome for shareholders. And so what the Chinese have done is very astutely created this interweaving of their interests with our interests. And so when, if they were to say, hey, we should impose tariffs or we should do something that protects against this influence by the Chinese Communist Party, essentially, what they would be advocating for would be restricting some of the earnings potentials that they have, for example, in China.
• 12:57
  And so in doing so, they would be acting against the best interests of the company. And so in a way, what these two colonels, PLA colonels recognized was that we, the West was opening up our system in a way that would allow them to influence us using our own rules. And so by essentially saying they're going to agree with the ideas of free trade or, you know, open financial system or transparency, but then not doing so, they are they enable this slow infiltration of our corporations, our financial institutions, also our academic institutions in a way that over time begins to affect our political institutions because, you know, again, politics are influenced by corporations because corporations, you know, spend money on lobbyists to, you know, lobby Washington DC, same with Wall Street. Our academic institutions, a lot of the professors that come out of those academic institutions ends up going and being senior officials in governments. And so they are also influenced because of all of these partnerships with Chinese universities and, and, you know, all of these students that are, invited to come over.
• 14:16
  And so there is a, it is a well, you know, documented, well rehearsed and actually well executed way to go about undermining the the institutions of Democratic America or other democracies without having to go and use the weapons of war to destroy them.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Which has given them significant control over our country. But, you know, one question with this is, what is China's end goal? What I know that there's been different speeches and different, you know, books, information published have come from some of the leaders and even going back to, you know, Mao and and his, you know, this urge to get back at the West for the embarrassment that that they suffered, whether it's the Ethiopian Wars or other events that happened. But, you know, is does China is their end goal global control? I mean, their end goal scrubbing the earth from capitalism and replacing it with their communist system?
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Well, when you think of China, you and and and what is the goal of China and why, you know, conduct this activity, you actually have to go to the source. So the source is the Chinese Communist Party. It's about 94,000,000, 90 five billion or so members strong of 1,400,000,000 Chinese. They control the country. There's actually two constitutions in China.
• 15:42
  There's the People's Republic Of China constitution, and there's a Chinese Communist Party constitution. The Chinese Communist Party is the sovereign of the country. In fact, the constitution of the party says the party will remain in charge of China. So their goal is basically to stay in charge. The problem is is they see democracies as a key, you know, obstacle to their continued rule.
• 16:09
  They believe that if the, if the principles of liberty that are, you know, essentially underpin our society become, you know, embedded in, Chinese, you know, popular belief or in their in their, society, then they will be overthrown. And so their their need, and they this is one one of the things they talk about in the document that they have called document number nine that was, leaked in 02/2013. It talks about the need to suppress the principles of liberty so that they don't catch, you know, catch, you know, root in China, in in China society. So they want to the Chinese Communist Party wants to continue to stay in charge. Now they also believe, the party does, that China should be the dominant country in the world.
• 17:06
  They believe that China, was the dominant country in the world for five thousand years. It had, a few hundred years of bad luck, particularly with the rise of the West and the enlightenment period and, you know, the peace of Westphalia. But now, you know, China's back again, and they're going to use the technology, the talent, the capital of the West to slowly, you know, grow their power, and then over time begin to dominate the international institutions and promote a theory of social and political organization that more fits with the interests of the Chinese Communist Party. In other words, if the rest of the world is authoritarian, then it's safe for Chinese authoritarianism. They don't have to worry about their people, you know, getting this idea of liberty because it won't exist anywhere in the world.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: So it's almost like, say, you know, during Mao's time when there wasn't mass media like we have today, there wasn't social media, the Internet. If there was an idea of freedom in America, it was very difficult for that idea to infect the minds of the people people in China were very easy to control. But now even a lot of Chinese users are using VPNs to bypass the great firewall. They're traveling overseas. It's become more and more difficult for them to prevent that that cancerous idea of freedom and democracy from spreading into their own people, and giving them a window into what life is really like under the CCP versus someone in America, etc.
• 18:37
  So it's almost like if they want to maintain their system, they have to expand their control, and they can't really have any examples of freedom and democracy around the world, because those will remain a threat to them.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the one, guess, you know, good thing to come out of technology was the recognition by these two kernels that in actuality, it was gonna become much easier to control people because, having access to their data and being able to use things like artificial intelligence to track them and to slowly and even, even, just recently, there was a report that came out that now they believe they have AI that can that can identify when people are not actually essentially taking in those communist principles into their very nature. And so, you know, having this ability to have the the data that that people produce as they go around and do what they do, and then using that to influence their perceptions, their their their beliefs, and and certainly their behaviors, then that would enable a much more systematized ability to control political and social outcomes. And I think what's happened over the last, say, certainly since the the introduction of the iPhone has been a definite increase in the ability for governments and and and institutions to use data to control those that whose data they have.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: It's kind of ruling by technocracy. And you mentioned in your book, you know, the Belt and Road Initiative, which is a massive infrastructure project. But one of the key highlights that you made was that the key infrastructure of that is not the roads and the ports and the highways, etc. It's the technology, and how even in African countries are going in and giving them high quality phones with high quality cameras for really inexpensive building cellular five gs networks, because they what they're doing is that they're building their grid for their technocracy control through that. Now, on a recent op ed, which you wrote for Fox News, you talked about the manipulation of society via technology, like social media, etcetera.
• 20:54
  But you specifically referenced the fragile fabric, the social fabric here in The United States. So can you elaborate this a little bit more? Explain how this works?
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it's just the Chinese that have, you know, enabled this capability in terms of the the unraveling of the social fabric of America. There's a good book out there called cynical theories that really talks about the rise of postmodernism in particular activist postmodernism, which really uses the power of words to break down the, the the foundations that were laid during the enlightenment period. In other words, you know, facts and science are, less about facts and science, and they're more about promoting a an exploitive social system in in order to, to create a new system that doesn't exploit the underprivileged that we have to use the power of words, and in particular, the power of, you know, super empowered groups to go to talk about, you know, what is actual reality? Not, you know, what is facts and reality, but what is these perceptions of people who have, you know, essentially that are that are allowed to, be the purveyors of of of knowledge in our society. And we've seen that, be a way for, almost a a nascent, tribalism in America to arise.
• 22:31
  And so what what China seeks to do through, unrestricted warfare is continue and amplify those that social discohesion that's created by things like critical race theory. And so they amplify it, and they use social media, and they use their, influence on corporations. And one of the ways they, if you think about it from a working class perspective, because the ones that are harmed in many cases are the working class, the taking of factories, you know, which limits employment opportunities, limits economic opportunity. And then when you start to pull at the social fabric, when you have less economic opportunity, then these things become more acute. And they certainly become more pronounced in terms of, you know, how they manifest themselves in, you know, our, you know, hyper partisanship.
• 23:31
  So I think it's, it's not totally the fault of China that we are like this, but certainly what the Chinese, two PLA colonels recognized was that they could exploit these existing vulnerabilities, amplify them, and then continue to, you know, not only take away jobs, which, you know, if you think about it, for the most part, and and I found this true no matter no matter where I want, even in China, people don't care about politics. They don't care about, you know, these issues, unless they don't have work. If they don't have jobs, they can't feed their family. These things become much more amplified because, you know, there is a, there's a general dissatisfaction with the way the country is going. So if you go to China and you say, you know, how popular for example, is the Chinese Communist Party?
• 24:22
  It's extremely popular. Why? Because everybody has jobs. They can send their kids to school. They, you know, they can buy a home, they can buy a car.
• 24:30
  They, in many ways, are living the American dream and they're living the American dream because precisely because, you know, what China has done in terms of eroding economic opportunity in The United States through this paralytic relationship. And so when you have in America this general malaise or this general feeling that the country is not going in the correct direction because there's no economic opportunity. Millions, literally millions of jobs have been lost. Then these social problems begin to really, they begin to have fertile ground for, for to spread, you know, division. And that's exactly what the Chinese do.
• 25:17
  And then in addition to that, something that's very, you know, underreported, I think people understand that there's a general drug issue. They don't understand that fentanyl, which is a highly, highly potent narcotic, which is killing tens of thousands of Americans every single year. Drugs. So you lose jobs. And then into these communities, comes these very powerful, drugs that are killing people.
• 25:47
  All of that comes as well from China. So you when you when you think about it, what they're doing is really just, they're amplifying problems that exist in our own society, but they're also, you know, injecting things like fentanyl into the system that really creates and exacerbates it. So when you go into communities that used to be, you know, say manufacturing towns and you see the communities, they're dying. The communities are dying. A good example of this is Detroit.
• 26:17
  If you look at pictures of Detroit, you know, after the 2000s, and you look at pictures of Germany after the eighth air force bombed them, I mean, you have these hollowed out neighborhoods in Detroit. You had the same thing in Germany. So again, it's using war in completely different way, in a way that we don't recognize as, you know, certainly as acute as say nineeleven, you know, where, you know, over three thousand Americans lost their lives. No one would dispute that losing a hundred thousand Americans, over a hundred thousand Americans to fentanyl overdoses like we did last year, nobody would argue if, you know, that a hundred thousand were to come in an instant because the Chinese bombed one of our cities, But to allow it to happen over time, and, you know, in the numbers and, and, and basically, in a way that's stealthy, then we don't see the attack. We basically see it as something that's endemic to our society and not coming from outside.
• 27:25
  But when you actually trace a source, you trace it to China.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: And, you know, if you look around in our country, you know, I was born in the early 80s. So it's, you know, haven't seen I don't know what was like to live in the 50s or 60s or 70s, I've heard stories, and I have an understanding of that. But to me, it seems like our country is in the weakest and most just kind of near destroyed state that I've ever seen. You know, you've got, you know, race wars, we've got Antifa, BLM, you've got cities burning down, but you've got a fentanyl crisis. Right?
• 27:59
  You've got even the gas prices now, the supply chain issues, you had the lockdowns that, you know, a lot of ways were modeled after, you know, what, you know, Xi Jinping was using in Wuhan, which a lot of experts, you know, believe was intentional to get that same lockdown model carried out across the Western world, especially to cripple our economies, get rid of small businesses, and also just to train the people in those countries to be subservient to a bigger government. How many of these problems do you think point back to the CCP? Because especially within America, you have this left right divide, and you have each side always blaming the other side. Well, okay, it's the Republicans fault. No, it's the Democrats fault.
• 28:39
  Okay, we got eight years of this, now we got eight years to switch it and fix everything, but never really fixes it. And I think we're all busy pointing the fingers at, I think in a lot of ways, the wrong people. And when you read and understand unrestricted warfare, you can see, wow, so many of these problems are probably coming from the CCP. So starting with what you mentioned with the the gutting of our manufacturing jobs and everything up to what we see now, how much of what what our country is today is a direct result of the CCP's actions to slowly cripple and destroy America?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I definitely have seen it accelerate during the COVID, you know, pandemic or, you know, the the the pandemic that was, you know, invented, I would say, by the Chinese Communist Party for exactly the purpose that you state, which is to, you know, to get us to to shut down our economy and to rely even more so on the supply chain which they own. I think, you know, America for the most part has been through cycles of economic decline, at least in economic opportunity. We've been through a great depression. We went through and prior to the great depression, if you remember there was this thing called the Gilded Age And and you had the the they called them the the robber barons. And I think you've had these cycles in The United States where, you know, antitrust comes, antitrust legislation.
• 30:12
  So the government begins to fix itself. And and and it fixes itself because people, you know, enter politics who want to fix a problem. And we have a we have a representative republic that that tends to wanna right the ship. And I think the the problem that we face today is that you have you've never had a great power, like China that was so thoroughly ensconced in our institutions, whether they be, corporate or financial or political or academic and our international institutions like the UN and WHO. You've never had a great power with the with the throwaway of the Chinese Communist Party.
• 30:54
  And I think, you know, if it weren't for China, I think we could begin to fix our problems because the you know, our representative government, you know, that nature of that government would begin to reassert itself in representative democracy. And I think what you have today is, you know, and it's not just the Chinese, the Russians do it, although just a far smaller scale as do the Iranians and the North Koreans. And as do any, of the other, authoritarian regimes, they all begin to lob stones into this into this morass. And I think, you know, we're just we've never had a great power like China have the ability to undermine our society from within to the extent that we do now. So I think we could probably get through this if it weren't for, you know, the incredible resources that China has, the money, the people, the you know, now the, you know, the the almost the largest economy in the world if you and it certainly is if you, consider purchasing power parity.
• 31:59
  This is what's, you know, so I don't blame a % of it on China. We've gone through periods of upheaval here in The United States, but we've typically been able to fix it ourselves. But when you have an outside source that seeks to, you know, amplify those differences and certainly to suppress what would be the good things that come out of democracy to help fix it, then you have, I think, a recipe for, you know, disaster. The only the only good thing that I see, you know, really in the recent times coming out of China is they're they're, you know, the the certainly Russia's attack of Ukraine has shown, you know, what their what their true colors are. And I think China is starting to be much more aggressive, and so we're starting people are starting to kinda wake up to it, but it's still too little too late, far too little too late.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: In, you know, mentioning with what's happening with Russia, you know, one thing that really stood out to me in unrestricted warfare was the the amount of time they dedicated to financial warfare, Specifically talking about the if you can collapse a currency, if you can send a country spiraling into depression, you know, that's one of the most effective ways to wage war against the country. And so right now, if you look at what we have happening, right, so the the US dollar, which Nixon pulled off the gold standard, what really kept the dominance of a dollar in the world was going back to the Bretton Woods agreement and the agreement that the Saudi Arabians would trade oil in the US dollar. Right? You know, establishing us as a world reserve currency, the petrodollar. That's what's really established our dollar and the demand for our dollar globally.
• 33:40
  Whereas what you have right now, and this is you heard rumblings of but it's much more in the forefront of the even the news and discussion, is that the, you know, China, Russia, the BRICS nations, which are now in talks with Saudi Arabia to join the BRICS nations, they're actively working to basically to to kick The US out of that position to, you know, to remove the US dollar from that, you know, sole petrodollar and have the petro yuan, and they have also the, you know, the digital currency they're bringing forth, backing a lot with what they're doing with gold. Those moves, even if Saudi Arabia comes out tomorrow and says, you know what, we're no longer going to hold this exclusive agreement with The United States to only trade oil in the US dollar, just those moves alone, I think will have a crippling effect on the strength of our dollar. And we'll probably see hyperinflation, and who knows what that could lead to. So do you think that in addition just to being, you know, the the geopolitics, do you believe that that is part of their war against us is to be doing taking these steps to purposely target the dollar to weaken our financial system?
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think the the the there is a flaw, though, in their plan, and that is their financial system is not built on reciprocity. Right? They don't have an open currency that's tradable. It can only be exchanged by the People's Bank of China.
• 35:07
  So they have a nonconvertible currency. They have strict capital controls in China. And so when you look at their system, it's not a system where, you know, it could you know, where they could essentially overtake the global financial system with the yuan. And the reason is is because their financial system is a system of suzerainty. In other words, every country that is not China becomes a tributary state of China because only the People's Bank of China can exchange the yuan.
• 35:41
  It's not a market traded currency. And so I don't think in in terms of the way that we look at the world today, you're going to see the yuan challenge the dollar. But what I I do believe is that China is being very successful using, the nations of the Belt and Road Initiative, which are quite numerous. You know, many of the nations of Africa, many of the nations of Central Asia, even working with Latin America. And so what they're trying to do is to create this alternative world order, this bipolar world, in essence.
• 36:18
  So what happened during the first cold war is we had a bipolar world and The United States owned the supply chain and it had the predominance of wealth. What China is trying to do is basically do the exact same thing that The US did to the Soviet Union, except doing it in reverse. And so they seek to remake the world in their image by creating this this financial system that really sees other nations bowing to the dictate of China. For the most part, it is a nation where authoritarians do business with authoritarians. And so in many ways, if the Chinese are the richest, they own the supply chain.
• 37:02
  They use a Belt and Road Initiative as kind of a neo colonialism to basically use debt to gain control of assets and territory, whether it be the port in Sri Lanka or a mine in the Democratic Republic Of Congo, then they own the vast, you know, some by estimates, you know, something like 90% or more of the rare earth metals. They are grabbing up resources at a great rate. They don't have to worry about The United States. And it's, you know, very few western countries that end up being in this alliance because they'll own the supply chain, they'll own most of the raw materials, and they'll own it in a way that, you know, they have other nations whose leaders don't have a democracy there either, to China in much the same way that tributary states look to them during, you know, the time of the, you know, imperial China. So I think that's the difference.
• 38:07
  We're not, I don't think you're gonna see China where the yuan replaces the dollar. What you're gonna see is two, you know, bipolar world where the far more wealthy and resource field world is going to be on the side of authoritarianism. And then you're going to see an ever shrinking smaller, you know, side of the world that is focused on democracy and free trade. And I think what China seeks to do is one by one pick off those democracies and slowly erode. So think of it like a giant game of risk.
• 38:45
  And, you know, China has basically accumulated all the pieces, the majority pieces on the board, where it's far easier for them to pick off these weaker members of the democratic alliance to over time get them to come over to their side. That's essentially what's going on. And the currency is an incredible part of that. We haven't done, you know, any favors by massively, growing, you know, our currency and by most importantly, not having, the wherewithal or the strategic thinking to realize we needed to rebuild our own industrial base and supply chain.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which, and that was a big part of Trump in his plan of making America First. That was also one thing that I noticed is that, you know, the Trump administration, clearly saw China as the threat that it was. Remember, you know, Mike Pompeo spoke a lot about that. And even on the White House website, you know, we were going on there, and there was just pages and pages and pages about the threat of China, whether it was talking about the Uighur Muslims, what, you know, climate change, and it really did a great job of exposing the atrocities, even sections on human rights violations, organ harvesting of Falun Gong, etcetera, that was all in the White House.
• 40:05
  And within a couple days of Biden taking office, that entire section got deleted from the White House. You know? And you also
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: And I think
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I think the misperception there is that, you know, everything was great during the Trump administration. When you look when you actually drill down into it, Pompeo was fantastic. And so what you had was, the state department, the department of defense, and the national security council clearly calling out, what would China was doing. But then you had the national economic council, you had, the council of economic advisers, you had the Department of Commerce, Department of Treasury doing the same things that every other administration, you know, since George H. W.
• 40:45
  Bush had been doing. And so there's this fight going on in the White House, in the interagency on, you know, who gets to direct. And what the what the economic folks would say, well, we we are the ones that are supposed to talk about, you know, the economy. You guys talk about war and and and diplomacy. Get stay out of the economy.
• 41:08
  But it is about the economy and it's very oriented towards national security. What you have in the Biden administration is you have a weak secretary of state, you have a weak state department, you have a weak department of defense, you have a weak defense department, you have a National Security Council that sees very clearly the problems that we have. But then you still have the National Economic Council, the Commerce Department, the Treasury Department saying the same thing. So what you're seeing manifest itself is that, you know, where, you know, you got a very strong Pompeo, that was really leading the fight from a kind of a foreign policy, national security policy perspective. You don't have that anymore.
• 41:51
  And so now commerce and treasury and national economic council are beginning to actually win the fight because who are they, who are they, by the way, who are they, working for? They're working for corporate America. They're working for wall street. That's who these agencies work for. And so absent Mike Pompeo or somebody that, or certainly a national security council that has a president that really, you know, thinks differently about, you know, how you use economics and certainly a national security sense, you have the just exactly what you're saying.
• 42:26
  But it wasn't all roses under the Trump administration because for the most part, we had the same bad actors in the Commerce Department and in the Treasury Department that were doing the same things.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: So, you know, looking at You made a point earlier, you know, the game of risk, and how you have this, you know, these basically these two systems emerging, And all the indicators are showing that while, you know, say the past, you know, thirty, forty, fifty years, we benefited from the, you know, the globalization that was at, you know, at the kind of driven by the West, driven by United States. And, you know, a lot of it was our military industrial complex being used to fight wars and secure oil resources and, you know, really expanded the imperialism of The United States, but that's contracting now. And we're seeing that China, in combination with Russia and the other BRICS nations are emerging. And I think that a key moment in that was when the sanctions came about with Biden sanctioning and even kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system, which really showed that, look, we're willing to now weaponize our global financial system if you don't want to play within the rules of The United States or within the rules of NATO. And which is that's just kind of pushing that.
• 43:41
  So a lot of people say, look, that pushed Putin further into the arms of China. So how do you see what is the relationship between Putin and Xi? Are they working together? Are they, you know, have they kind of banded together? May maybe there's hope at one point that Putin was maybe kind of closer to Trump, but all the, you know, the media, Russiagate stuff, pushed that relationship further apart.
• 44:04
  Now we've just got Putin and Xi kind of ganging up on America? Or how do you understand this dynamic?
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Mean, well, so first of all, don't forget the twenty four seven media that really produces journalists that have no time to do their own fact checking. And so, you know, I just read an article today that talked about the fact that there's no, you know, sources in the administration say there's no evidence yet that the Chinese are helping Russians. If you go look at, my tweet on that, you know, Kyle Bass, who's somebody I know very well, you know, tweet, you know, basically commented on it and showed a graph where, you know, the largest oil purchaser, for of Russian oil is China. So don't tell me that the Chinese aren't helping the Russians.
• 44:49
  They're absolutely helping the Russians by buying all their oil. By the way, they're getting great when Americans are paying 7 or $8 at the pump because of what's going on with regard to sanctions on Russia, the Chinese are getting the benefit of cheap gas. I mean, this is this is how, you know, one of the things that I recognize as a general officer, when I began to understand what was going on was that I had not been well schooled in the economics of national security. How does economic policy, trade policy, how does financial policy affect the, you know, our sovereignty and political independence? And by not understanding this, you know, I wasn't able to recognize how our, you know, our national strength was being eroded.
• 45:40
  You know, you think about, if you think of national security purely in military terms, you would say, oh, America is well positioned in national security. But if you don't, if you recognize that actually it has politics and economics and trade and finance and all of these other things that go into that, know, the industrial base, how much you produce. If you don't understand that that's a significant part of it. And in the case of the Chinese, the main part of it, then you don't know how to reconcile these two things. Should we have an industrial policy?
• 46:14
  You know, what should, you know, how should we look at China? And I think that's the main problem when you look at, you know, the people that are essentially appointed to develop the strategies that will allow America to thrive in an order where you have a China. They don't have the intellectual tools to be able to understand, hey, you know, if China owns the rare earth metals in the world that you can have, you know, the f 22 and the f 35, and you can have nuclear powered aircraft carriers. But if you don't have the means to produce the things that you need, pharmaceuticals, again, you know, if you can't even produce the antibiotics that you need to protect your population, you're in big trouble. And I think that's the part where, you know, so it is in thinking of the game of risk, we have so gone down this path that all I need to do is spend a trillion dollars on the military and we'll be fine.
• 47:21
  By the way, that's exactly what the Soviet Union did. They spent themselves in the bankruptcy. There was no war between The US and China. They basically parked their ships and planes and tanks. Their officers enlisted were starving.
• 47:35
  There was nothing on the shelves. So if you look at, and you look at what the Chinese did, they just studied that. They're like, this is how America beat the Soviet Union. Didn't have to fire a shot. They bankrupted them.
• 47:48
  And so this is the, this is, you know, the thing that I think that in Washington DC, if you could just shake people, if you could just shake them out of their slumber and say, look, what, the CEO of this tech company is telling you is in line with what the Chinese want because he wants to sell into China. And so he's forced to, you know, basically carry their water for you. So don't listen to anything they say with regard to, you know, US, you know, technology policy or innovation policy. In fact, do the opposite until you can get people to recognize that, you know, you have institutions in The United States that are clearly working on behalf of China, and that risk board just keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And it really, you know, at this point, it doesn't matter who the president is because these institutions almost are on autopilot, They're on autopilot to destroy the country.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: And with that being in mind, and again, you know, through reading your books, really understanding, you know, you tried to raise all kinds of red flags to various government organizations and the kinds of people that are now really selling out America, and they just didn't want to listen. So, you know, if we're in a situation as a country, where even if say the American patriots, you know, the deplorables, right, even the folks that really care about America, that if they want to fight for freedom and defend the constitution, but if our own government is not doing that, if our own government is not protecting us, if our own government is not recognizing that, you know, as they talk about an unattributed warfare that, you know, war is not just war. It's not just the typical way. It's financial, it's technology. And those are all areas that if you recognize that the enemy is views this as an area of war, say, you know, economic war, then you as a country, you should be defending against that.
• 49:45
  We should be defending against the economic attacks of China. But it seems like our own government, especially especially under Biden, who seems like he's making decisions that only weaken us and make us an easier target to be picked off by Russia and China. It just seems like our own government is not standing up to protect us. So like, where does it go from here? What's the endgame?
• 50:06
  Does this end in a in a kinetic ground war where China and Russia are coming on to America soil? Or like, you know, where where's this gonna head? Because I just I don't have the confidence that our own government, which is still in control of our military, is gonna do what it takes to protect the American people from this.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think you know? So in terms of a kinetic war between The US and and either China or Russia or both, I don't think that's where it, where it goes. I do think that, you know, we're heading towards, national bankruptcy, and I think, that that is a a a great possibility, you know, in terms of where we're headed. I do think the Chinese have intentions to invade Taiwan, and they will at some point, invade and and and retake Taiwan. I think in terms of where it's going, and what people can do about it, as I lay out in the book, you have to get, this has to come from the grassroots level.
• 51:05
  We have to get back to kind of the way that America fixes itself. And I lay out some proposals. One of the things I talk about, I've already talked about what critical race theory is doing to our educational system active postmodernism or activist postmodernism. One of the things I'm encouraged by is, you know, a lot of, you know, increase in private school enrollments over public school enrollments. So I think, you know, what, you know, that's a market, you know, driven outcome.
• 51:44
  The parents are saying, I've had it. I've had it with the way that the system is teaching our kids. It's leading to people that, you know, are divisive, they're hateful, and they can't think for themselves. So I'm gonna take my kids out of the public school and put them in a private school and I wanna see them learn, you know, the ABCs and math and the things that they should have been learning in public school, but weren't because they were getting all of this garbage, you know, to fill their heads. So education system, I see that, I'm encouraged by that.
• 52:17
  I talk about a book. I don't know if I talk about the book, but I certainly talk about the ideas in the book called The Politics Industry. And The Politics Industry was written by a woman named Catherine Gale, who's a businesswoman from Wisconsin, sold her company when she had this epiphany on what's going on with our political system. And she really recommended a couple of things, changes to the way we do voting in the country. And one has to do with open primaries where, you know, the top five people, you know, get the top five votes or the ones, it doesn't matter what party affiliation they have, are the ones that go forward.
• 52:55
  And then final five voting where the person that actually gets selected, for the position, gets over 50% of the vote. And so it's a way to undermine what, what she views that has grown up, and I agree with her, is a duopoly. So in many ways, a lot of the things from a political perspective are self inflicted by the parties not doing what the people want. So tea party, you know, the Trump revolution, whatever you want to call it. There's a lot of disaffection in the country.
• 53:30
  And it comes because when these guys and gals get elected to Congress or Senate or what have you, they don't actually do what they say they're going to. And it's because they are not really incentivized by the citizens or incentivized by the parties that support them with funding. So you have to raise a lot of money when you're running for office. Because the parties control where that money goes, they can control how you vote. And so you're disconnecting, Hey, this is the outcome I want as a citizen from, this is what the person's gonna do, that I sent to Washington DC.
• 54:05
  So in all these cases, it really comes back to grassroots, you know, at the local level. I need to understand the issues. I need to, you know, raise my children in the way that will allow them to be educated, thoughtful citizens that can contribute to a representative republic. And then in our political system, I need a way to ensure that candidates that go forward to Washington DC work on my behalf. How do I do that?
• 54:34
  Well, so there's campaigns all over the country for open primaries and final five voting to break the power of, you know, parties to control how people vote when they get to Congress or when they get to the Senate. So there's different ways to work on it. This is mostly about healing ourselves. And I think in healing ourselves, we begin to heal our ills because as we get people into Washington DC that are working on behalf of the citizens, they're gonna say, Hey, you don't have economic opportunities in Detroit, Michigan. We're gonna, you know what we're gonna do?
• 55:08
  We're gonna force corporations to bring back the industrial base. We're not gonna just say, hey, it's up to you. No, we're gonna say, if you wanna sell, for example, to the federal government, you better have made that in America. There are ways, are authorities, Title III, the Defense Production Act, that the government has to restore a balance in economic opportunity in the country that are tied to national security and political sovereignty and our independence. These are things that we've done before that are, things that have to come through political reform, but this all happens at the grassroots level.
• 55:44
  So it's really From my
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: From my standpoint, just one final point. I also think we need to innovate And I don't mean out innovate. In other words, we need to innovate faster in China. We innovate fast enough. China just steals it, you know, by getting them out of our system and innovating.
• 56:00
  And in particular, I'm focused on innovating in infrastructure, You know, I think in digital infrastructure in particular, but I think America already has the tools that can to heal itself and to protect itself from China's predations. It's just, have to recognize as citizens that we're gonna have to take a stand.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it really comes down to is just that we the people have to take responsibility for our country again. I think that we got very distracted by the bread and circuses, right? Like in ancient Rome, when they, you know, they can control the population by giving them gladiators beating each other up and killing each other and free bread while they could just drive the country into the ground. And so I think that and there is a is a revival of that happening. It's interesting that we just passed Independence Day, which is really a reminder that we've been here before.
• 56:49
  We've been here before as a country where, you know, the people have been oppressed, there's been tyranny, and it was only a small percentage that it was only a very small percentage at that time that stood up against the, you know, the world's largest empire at that time period and won. And so I think that that's what we have to do. In a lot of ways we are, it's like kind of how you framed your answer. Really, it's the American people that are now having to stand up against what is becoming the world's largest empire again. But we have to take control of that.
• 57:21
  So we've just kind of come to the first hour of this, and we've got a half an hour of q and a. So we're gonna be going over to Rise TV only for that. But before we do that, I wanted to ask you, where can people follow you? Where can they purchase your book? Where can they learn more?
• 57:37
  Do you have a newsletter or because I think that the information that you're presenting is really, really important. And if more Americans understood what you're talking about, I think that we'd probably be a little bit less focused on pointing the fingers at each other and helping unite ourselves as one nation to stand against this, you know, really this this communist specter that's trying to swallow up the world.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Sure. I'm on Twitter. I'm at Robert underscore Spaulding. There's no u in that in that spelling of Spaulding. I'm on Instagram, on Facebook, on most of the social media platforms.
• 58:12
  The book can be bought at really any place that books are sold that published by Random House. And it's it's it's, you know, well done, I think in audio audible form, you know, if you like to listen to book, it's that's probably the the way that I would get it. But, you know, it's it's out there in, you know, both ebook and in hardcover format.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been listening to them as as the audio books. I find it because I drive a lot. It's just the perfect companion. So and also, so for folks as well, you're sharing this video, if you have friends or family that you can share this video with, and it doesn't matter what side of the political aisle they're on, because this isn't really about, you know, Trump versus Biden, left versus right.
• 58:56
  That only feeds into the class warfare that the communists love to fuel with, you know, the different, you know, designations and classes fighting against each other. But if you want to share this information and get it out there, this is an important thing that we have to understand. So so we're now going to be hopping over onto Rise TV only for the q and a portion. If you want to come join us, a lot of you already there already. If in the description below is a link for a free trial to Rise TV, You can sign up and you can join us.
• 59:25
  You can ask your questions. So general spotting, we're gonna go and cut the feeds to the public platform. So Dom, you can go ahead and do that. And so if you're on Rise TV already, if you have any questions at all, just drop in question, write question in your comment, and we will get to it. So alright, so we first have a question from this is from Green Eye, who says, does China own Africa and the majority of Latin America?
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: So from the aspect of the United Nations, China really has most of those nations voting in their favor, whether it be, you know, for you name it, whatever issue comes up at the UN. They're able to get those nations to vote in their favor by offering them, you know, investment in their in their in their countries, you know, because they want access to resources. But also they want they understand the way that you influence a political vote is through influencing, you know, the the that person and how they vote. And so they influence the leaders of these countries to vote according to the way they want, you know, whether it be at the UN or the other world bodies. And then the other thing that they do is they go in and they sponsor the people that actually work at the UN.
• 1:00:42
  So, you know, they try to get their own people working, you know, and, you know, like, you know, the head of the World Health Organization, Tedros.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Tedros, yeah.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: A perfect example of a China guy. World Bank, they have China people, Chinese nationals running certain portions of the World Bank and China gets a little over a billion dollars from the World Bank. A bank that's supposed to go, by the way, to the most poor nations of the world gives China incredible amounts of money every year. So it's no difference from local. How do you corrupt local politics?
• 1:01:20
  You go in and you basically buy people up and you buy them off through favors, whether it's building a road or building a, you know, a factory or something in your dis in, you know, that politician district in terms of, you know, here we're talking about the representatives to the United Nations. And then, you know, it it it it just goes from there. This is standard kind of, you know, how do you undermine a a democratic institution? You just create the opportunity for corruption.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is why even a lot of the the founders of of our country warned us about democracy, in fact, and getting away from being a constitutional republic. Here's an excellent excellent question. So I I cover prepping a lot on my show. It's a big part of what I think is important right now.
• 1:02:05
  And so little tai chi mermaid asks, what are you doing personally to prepare for what you see coming?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I I I have been focused on building, you know, a company called we call Semper. It stands for Secure EMP Resistant Edge. I really believed that, you know, we needed to do more to protect our digital infrastructure and data. I think that, you know, your smartphone has become a a, you know, a key component to how you live your life. It also tracks you, everywhere you go, and that data is used to influence your perceptions, decisions, behaviors.
• 1:02:43
  And so we wanted to create a technology that allowed you to secure that data, but also ensure that that connection would always be there even, you know, in the most catastrophic of conditions. And so that was my, I didn't get into politics. I didn't, I tried to take an innovation approach. And the concept that we, that forced me to that was the recognition that data is really like oil, in the twentieth century. Oil is still important, but data is so much more important in terms of driving artificial intelligence.
• 1:03:16
  And it can be used in such a terrible way in terms of how we influence our societies. And so I wanted to create the ability to at a local level begin to protect that and harden the infrastructure that carries that. And so that's what I'm focused on every day. It's a blessing to me to run the company because it's almost like I stepped out of my role in uniform where I swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. And I stepped right into the private sector doing the same thing, but just doing it in a different way.
• 1:03:50
  And the reason I saw this opportunity was that, you know, our DoD is not protecting your data. It's not protecting our critical infrastructure. It's mostly focused on, you know, killing and destroying where in this case, actually need to do a lot more to defend our homeland against, you know, this invasion that's coming in many ways through our digital spaces.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Actually, I know that you've you've just mentioned EMP, which electromagnetic pulse, which I think is a really important thing to understand and can be catastrophic. And so you know, you've done some work recently with the EMP protection as it relates to five gs networks in China. Is that correct?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: We did. And in developing the world's only EMP hardened commercial infrastructure for cellular networks and data centers, we can protect the connection that your phone makes. Now, in doing that, we found that smartphones will survive an EMP just fine. It's just they have nothing to connect to because the network itself is not protected. So we built essentially the equivalent of data centers and cell towers that are hardened against this type of threat.
• 1:05:08
  And they don't cost any more than a standard tower that gets put up today. And you know, again, I think Americans can do some pretty interesting things when they, and this has taken us almost, you know, four years and will be four years before the technology begins to be commercially released next year, But it's here, and it's going to make a difference in terms of the way that we protect our infrastructure. There's nobody out there in the world doing this right now.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I'll have to look into that more afterwards. So I'm fascinated by EMP. I've read a lot of novels about, you know, what happens when EMP goes off, and it's it's not it's not pretty. So, you know, beyond having a little Faraday cage at home, much of looking into that more. So here's a question from Scott Monson who says, do you think the CCP would invade places like California where they could have allies?
• 1:05:59
  And if so, do you think that the leak of gun gun owners by the cal court by the CA government is a strategic help for that?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I think they've already invaded, and it's it's not the kind of invasion that you would expect. You know, they they are they've infiltrated infiltrated our corporations, our financial institutions. You know? They've, you know, manipulated our political system. They, you know, they've done weird things like, you know, go out into Kansas field and dig up, you know, genetically modified seeds to take them back to China.
• 1:06:37
  I mean, they're essentially we've given them free reign of the country. And so when you think of you know, we again, we tend to think of, invasion as, you know, in a in a Westphalian sense. In other words, you have you have a strong border where, you know, you're gonna see this enemy advancing on you. No. We have a completely porous border, whether it be digital, whether it be financial, whether that be trade, or whether it be actual, you know, people coming across the border.
• 1:07:09
  You know, just for instance, they there's just been this huge, huge, industry on transferring across the border anything that is $800 or less. Hundreds of billions of dollars now come into the country at $800 or less because they've built these warehouses on, you know, both the Canadian and the Mexican border to bring these goods in so that they can come in tariff free. And so we don't even have tariffs, you know, in terms of the way that, you know, you would think. And so there is no such thing as borders today, particularly as it pertains to the security, the homeland security of The United States. So think we need to stop thinking in terms of, hey, you're going to see, you know, hundreds of thousands of Chinese marines.
• 1:07:56
  They don't have to. They can walk across the southern border if they want. They can literally get a visa to come to the country. They don't need, they don't need. So forget that way of thinking about war, because all that does is distract you from what's going on right in front of your face.
• 1:08:15
  There's a good analogy for this. If you've ever seen the, the example where, they say, hey, watch the ball being passed. And there's a bunch of people standing in a circle passing the ball. And they count the amount of times that the ball bounces during this exercise. So you're sitting there, you're staring at the ball getting bounced and some person walks across in the screen in a gorilla suit and walks by.
• 1:08:43
  And then at the end, don't ask you how many balls bounce or how many balls were passed. They said, did you see the guy in the gorilla seat? And most people don't because they're so distracted. So what this when you think about war in the way that you're talking about is a complete distraction to what's actually going on in our communities every single day.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: And it almost, I mean, it almost seems like, especially from the the perspective of the authors of, you know, UW, that our own government got distracted in the same way that we got distracted with all this military spending.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And we just spend another hundred billion dollars on our military, we'll be protected. No, we won't. It's actually, we're having the We're having the same effect that the Soviets, you know, they spent themselves in the bankruptcy. Were doing the same thing for, in many cases, the same reasons, and it's illogical.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Now, here's a question that's floated around a lot. There's a lot of people, there's some people, I guess you could say, that they believe that Trump is working together with Putin and Xi Jinping to bring down the deep state. Right? To bring down the central bankers. And they they it's funny because they seem to look almost as as Xi is someone who's gonna save the American people from like the bad guys.
• 1:10:01
  What are your what are your thoughts on that?
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the deep state serves the interests of of of China. I mean, certainly, they they I mean, just given just the fact that I told you that we're saying, oh, we we see no evidence of the Chinese helping the Russians, and yet they're the biggest purchaser of oil from Russia, you know, since this invasion began. It just it just tells you that, you know, the the Chinese in the deep state, if there is such a thing, and I and I the way I would characterize the deep state, is that in, Washington DC, we have become an echo it's it's become its own echo chamber in many ways. And this by the way, this is not a political thing. Because if you're on the right or the left and you're in national security and foreign policy in Washington DC, generally believe the same things.
• 1:11:01
  That has been influenced in many ways by corporate America and Wall Street because a lot of these people that work in these areas are advisors or consultants to corporations and financial institutions. And so, I think in many ways, the the what I would call the deep state is not so much the deep state. It's just that's the common belief. And they believe it to their to their core that the right way to deal with China is to continue to trade with them. For example, we, you know, yes, they're, they're, they're danger, but we just have to continue to trade with them.
• 1:11:39
  Well, who's, who's saying that? Well, the corporate America and Wall Street are saying we need to continue to trade with them. And so it's not that they are dismissive of, you know, what the nation's interests, Right? They don't go against US national interests. What they believe is the national interest is actually served by doing these things.
• 1:12:01
  They've been convinced of that. And, no amount of cajoling or educating is going to change that. I think that's the problem. And so, the problem with Trump, quite frankly, is he hired a lot of these people in his administration. I saw them do the same things that they did in the Obama administration.
• 1:12:23
  And so, and and I don't blame him for that either. He he was an outsider that really didn't understand Washington DC. And I don't think he was prepared to to make the kind of changes that needed to be made. You know, when you have a corporation that's dying, like Apple was when Jobs left, and you don't have somebody that's empowered to come in and clean house and change the direction of things, then you can never get on a a a good footing. And the problem is that, Washington DC, whether it's Democrat or Republican, think the same things.
• 1:13:05
  Unless you get new people that think differently, that understand national security, political independence and sovereignty, don't come through the barrel of a gun, but actually come through economic opportunity. And you have to pursue that with industrial policy. You have to understand, you know, what China's doing financially. If you don't have people that actually think that way and get them into the mechanisms and, and, and creating this change, you're never going to get away from it. So it's not a so much a deep state in a nefarious sense.
• 1:13:36
  It's just, you know, it's, it's like apple was before jobs came back. It's, it's, it's become, it's become bloated. It's become, you know, it's just not willing to act or think outside the box anymore and America needs it right now.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's these, especially these unelected positions and all the regulations. They can pass regulations that are, you know, they get treated as laws, but they're not. But then it gives them
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: But they're not bad people. Like, don't, like, they don't wanna see the downfall of America. They think, truly think that they are patriots. And I believe they are. They're patriots.
• 1:14:13
  They are just misinformed patriots. They're like I was prior to understand you know, when the when the blinders was taken off of me, you know, and and and I had the benefit of having some, mentors that challenged my thinking. And I had to really do some soul searching and then recognize that, okay, everything that I believe about the world and think about the world is now I have to discard that. And I have to, you know, go back to kind of critical reasoning. And I think if that's the same with these people, they're great people.
• 1:14:49
  They love America. They want to see the best for the country, but they have been blinded in a way that in most people just aren't willing to counter their own biases. They just, they, so it's a human failing that we all have, you know, personal, company included.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Myself as well. Of course. Here's a question from Calico who says, where does Mexico stand in this grand scheme?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I think, that's a great question. I think Latin America has been solely, solely under looked and underserved by America. You know, we used our technology talent and capital to rebuild Europe after World War II and during the Cold War and, in, in Asia, you know, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Australia. But for whatever reason, and I really don't understand, we just have refused to do and think the same thing about our neighbors to the south. And I think, you know, Mexico is, could be just a trend, and is quite frankly, is a tremendous story of manufacturing and is becoming a really good partner.
• 1:16:02
  By the way, the Chinese are buying up, you know, factory, floors in Mexico just so they can get out from under tariffs. I think though, you know, we ought to take a page out of, what we did after World War II in helping rebuild Europe and do that in Latin America. And I think economic opportunity is the problem, whether you're in The United States or you're in Guatemala. And there is no reason why, China should be able to foster a stronger economic relationship with, you know, a country in Latin America than The United States again. We just have refused to put the kind of investment in both time and resources and just personal energy into Latin America.
• 1:16:46
  So I do think that, you know, part of this revival of the free world could see The United States not only rebuilding its infrastructure, its industrial base, but in doing so in concert with Latin America that is, you know, more has more economic opportunity and in doing so actually create a kind of, you know, a very strong kind of North America, South America economic union that can be used to counter what China is doing with the Belt and Road Initiative.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: And does China control the Panama Canal?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: They do. They do. And they can know control both ends of the Panama Canal. They have, you know, they're seeking, you know, economic relationships with Panama. So, yeah, I mean, we paid for it.
• 1:17:36
  We built it, and then, we essentially have now allowed the Chinese to, you know, they control the ports at both ends of Panama Canals. They're building, you know, electric power generation facilities. I mean, it is it is sad, but yes, they do.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: So here's this is actually a good question. This is from Maureen's wife who says, why is the administration and the media ignoring the American deaths from Chinese fentanyl?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: You know, I went into, this is when I was in the White House, I went in to meet with the acting director of the ONDCP, the president's national director for drug control policy. And I asked him, I said, why are we not going after the Chinese for fentanyl? And he goes, no, they're cooperating with us. And I said, no, they're not. They are absolutely not cooperating with us.
• 1:18:30
  And again, I attribute it to this belief on behalf of these people that work in Washington DC in the fact that they believe the Chinese, you know, they're at what they say, and they don't actually look at what they do. And so the Chinese are good at saying, oh yes, we're going to cooperate with you, but they don't actually do anything. And I, you know, I said, you know, just look, more people are dying every single year from the flow of fentanyl and it's all coming from China. And so, and by the way, they control 1,400,000,000 Chinese with an iron fist. They can, if they'd want to stop something, they can stop it tomorrow in a heartbeat.
• 1:19:16
  They can shut it down.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: There's no illicit drug trade like we have here.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, I believe it goes along with, you know, exactly what I was saying where you have people that that believe a certain way, and you cannot get them to think differently. If you look at fentanyl as a national security problem because it's killing Americans at the rate of, you know, over a hundred thousand last year, Then what you do is you you tell the Chinese, you will not ship a single good. Nothing will come to this country if another bag of fentanyl gets caught and found. Period. Nothing will ship.
• 1:19:54
  Because what that does is it destroys their economy, you know, their ability to trade overnight. And so, and then you say that, by the way, all your allies and partners do the same thing. It's having a systemic, you know, focus on how do you treat the problem, not just saying, hey, we're gonna arrest somebody from from from shipping fentanyl. We're actually gonna create pain, real pain for the Chinese Communist Party. And in doing so that, you know, get them to look at this as something serious.
• 1:20:25
  Anytime that The US, you know, threatens pain and is willing to put its weight behind that, the Chinese will respond.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting going into this question because my wife was recently reading a book on what's called political pontology. I think that's what it's called. And it's the study of evil, ponderology. It's a study of evil as it relates to politics. And she was telling you kind of telling me a lot of what the book was talking about.
• 1:20:53
  Was very interesting, though, is because it really made the point that people that are evil and willing to throw out any moral code are oftentimes the ones that end up getting control. And this is actually a really good point, because that's that right there is the entirety of under
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Because there's no there's nothing you're unwilling to do. Yeah. You can literally do whatever Exactly. Whatever it takes because you there is no there's no you have no moral inhibition. So it makes perfect sense.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's that right there is UW signed signed, you know, summarized, right? Is that, like, the the first rule is that there are no rules. Right? And you do whatever you do whatever it takes to destroy your enemy.
• 1:21:31
  And so, and I think that that's something that, you know, I think has has come at a cost to us, unfortunately, because, and it shouldn't. There used to be, you know, kind of universally, there were just, you things were done on a handshake, and there was a moral fabric that, you know, bound our society together. But now, especially on a global level, like you mentioned, the head of the, you know, drug you know, protection agency, forget which agency it was, is telling you, well, look, China says they're gonna pull the fentanyl off, and they're gonna be good. Whereas China is thinking they're they're making a phone call and say, hey, double down on those fentanyl shipments because they think that we're not gonna do it.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, and the I've often thought that if you could get the Republican and Democratic parties to look at the Chinese Communist Party in the same way they look at each other, like, if they could begin to think of the Chinese Communist Party as a party that is in direct, you know, contradiction to themselves and actually wants to see their destruction, that they would actually be able to do the things that need to be done to protect us from the Chinese Communist Party. I mean, in many ways, the Democratic, you know, the Democratic Party hates the Republican Party, and the Republican Party hates the Democratic Party. If they could just both look at the Communist Party and say, we hate you more than we hate each other.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: We would be so much better served, but they can't. And that's the beauty of, you know, China's brand of political warfare. It's they want to see, you know, the Democrats, you know, hating the Republicans and the Republicans hating the Democrats because that keeps it's like the it's the analogy of the two brothers fighting, you know, Two brothers are fighting, then somebody comes in and tries to break it up, and then two brothers start to go after the somebody that that that that tries to break it up. You know, in this case, the Chinese Communist Party are so good at when that attack is coming in rather than you see see it coming from the outside. You actually think it's coming from the Republicans if you're the Democrats, and you think it's it's coming from Democrats if you if you're a Republican.
• 1:23:33
  And so this is the beauty of of what it's so, I call it a beautiful strategy because it's a way that you, it's actually, you know, when we study war, we look at Clausewitz writings on war. But in reality, when you look at unrestricted warfare, it's much more about what the prince, you know, Machiavelli wrote. It's much more attuned to what he was trying to say in that book in terms of how you think about modern warfare in a globalized Internet connected world.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: It's Sun Tzu. It's deception. Right? That's the that's what summarize is it's deception. And there's no there's no moral.
• 1:24:16
  There's no morality in deception.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: In politics. It is it is purely, purely political in a way that, you know, goes past geographic boundaries.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Well, even you mentioned that the left and right, but you even have people that are you have Republicans attacking the Republican Party, you know, and and in your first book, you know, and I didn't know this, but, you know, everyone's always looking at Mitch McConnell. Like, why is he doing this? And why is he going after Trump? But then what you realize and what you pointed out is that his wife, who's Chinese, her father has an insanely close relationship, massively massive financial relationship with the CCP and with Jiang Zemin, who is one of the most evil rulers has ever walked on on earth.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: And her sister sits on the board of directors of the Bank of China. I mean, if if my wife sat on the board of directors of the Bank of China and I was in uniform, I would have no security clearance. I would have been kicked out. It's just it but this is what goes on in the highest levels of our of Washington DC on the political side. Right?
• 1:25:26
  It it could never happen in the military side because you would be you would either, you'd be tried, you'd be punished, you'd be kicked out. But in the political side, happens all the time. And it's okay. You know, it doesn't and it's on the both sides. It's on the Republican and the Democratic side.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which again, it's just another example, you know, that the Chinese for them, all politics is war. Right? And all wars politics. And so they view every aspect of their society as war.
• 1:25:57
  And we just, you know, we don't. You know, we've we and highlight this. They see it so clearly as one of greatest weaknesses of our country, that we don't look at these these realms as war, and so they can come after us, and we we don't know what we don't we don't know what even it is attacking us.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: So true. I mean, it is it is just a different way of looking at national security. And and certainly, you know, I studied again my entire career to understand war, and I didn't understand this. And it's taken me, you know, a long time to figure it out.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's 03/28. We've we've got one final question I saved as the last one, which is more of fun one. This is from iron patriot Mike, who says love to everyone here. How did you and Seth each celebrate your fourth of July?
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I came to Annapolis and watched the fireworks from Annapolis on the shore and relaxed with family. And it was, it was a good relaxing day, a good day to reflect on the blessings of Liberty.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: And to answer, you know, from my perspective, my wife and I, you know, we're really busy around the house with homesteading and gardening. And so we spent, I think the whole Fourth of July. We didn't have family over. We just we cooked out. We grew up land chops, and I made some good cheesy potatoes, which was nice.
• 1:27:23
  But we just worked on the home. And I think I freeze dried close to 100 eggs. That was my accomplishment for the holiday. So now because we have a bunch of chickens, and so we've got a freeze dryer. So now these eggs are going to last us twenty years.
• 1:27:35
  So someone asked me, comment, I put a put a post up online about it, and someone said how they taste. So I'll let you know in twenty years. Alright, well, General Spawning, I really appreciate you taking the time to come on today. I want to remind everyone to follow General Spawning on Twitter. I'll share your information on my telegram, which is where I got most engaged audience after this.
• 1:28:00
  And I highly, highly recommend if you're let me pull back up again, actually. If you are in a position that you can buy this book, either Stealth War, or the other book, which was War Without Rules. Both of these. If you if you search for this Robert Spaulding book, you'll find both of those books. If if you want to pick one of them personally, I would recommend the the first book, Stealth War.
• 1:28:21
  I think that you do it's like the second book is really explaining a lot and going into the details of UW. Whereas the first book does a really good job of just explaining all the intricate ways that the CCP has infiltrated our country. So I highly recommend that you read at least the first book and hopefully both books.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So any last any last thoughts before we finish up?
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think I I said last night in a Twitter in a tweet that I sent that, you know, I I think it's important that we recommit to, ensuring that this, to and to quote, Lincoln's words, this this this nation conceived in liberty of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth. And I I really believe in that. And I think that each of us should do our part to, support and defend the constitution and, and secure blessings of liberty for our our children and those that come after.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I couldn't agree more. What's a great, great end to today's show. So thanks again for coming on, and hope to have you come back again and, you know, update us as as this this war carries on. I'm sure we're gonna see a lot of things happening over the next couple of months.
• 1:29:36
  So and just again, thank you for all that you're doing. Really appreciate just the information you're getting out there and the effort you're putting into that. It's very important.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: Alright, well, take care, everyone. Thank you for joining me and I'll see everybody on Thursday. And also this weekend, I'll be speaking at the Reawaken America tour. So you'll probably see the video up on that. We'll have the live feed on my Rumble channel.
• 1:29:58
  So thanks, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Have a wonderful and beautiful day. I hope you had a wonderful holiday. Take care.