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- Erin Sheffield: Welcome back to another episode of the Resting Stitch Face podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Aaron Sheffield with Sarah Harding: Doctor Sarah Harding, welcome back. Erin Sheffield: Welcome back. Another day on the podcast. Sarah Harding: Good to see you again. Another day. Another not dollar. Huh. There you go. Erin Sheffield: Ha ha ha Sarah Harding: All right. Well, speaking of which, today we're talking a little bit about hot takes. Erin's got a couple, and I'm sure I'll come up with a few because I'm feeling a little snarky today. And well, that's always a good place to start, isn't it? So let's take take it away, Erin. That's right. I should say hot take it away. Boom. Erin Sheffield: Snarky Sarah is my favorite Sarah, I will just have to say. So if I have to poke the bear a little. Ticking away. Here I go. So Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: I was thinking about, have you ever been in one of those drive-through, pay it forward lines? Or have you heard about those? Yeah, Sarah Harding: I've heard about those, yes. Erin Sheffield: where it seems so nice. Like someone pays for the car behind them. Whatever it is, they just give their credit card and they pay and it seems like the sweetest thing. But then what seems to happen is it creates this like expectation or this guilt Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: moment where, okay, well I have to pay for the next person and and then I have to pay for the next person and I will just say I'm probably gonna be the one that ends it. Sarah Harding: Ha ha Erin Sheffield: And not because I'm not I think I'm a nice person. I don't think it's because I'm not a nice person or because I can't afford it or whatever, but like I just think it puts a lot of pressure on people. Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: And I've heard it's really hard for the employees, like it's really confusing and it's really hard to keep it straight with the credit cards and you know, 'cause you drove away. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: You have to get your card 'cause they don't know what they're gonna order and all of that. But then the other part of it is I don't think people should feel obligated to pay for the next person because sometimes it's like maybe they can't afford it, but they're like such Sarah Harding: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: a nice guy. And now th they were gonna Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: get their seven dollar coffee and now they have to pay for the super the suburban behind them. Sarah Harding: And now there's a family of ten behind them. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: And I just don't know if I have time. So I I feel like it's not a bad thing to just be appreciative and grateful and say, Thank you. Sarah Harding: Wow, that was really kind. Thanks. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: And then I can find other nice ways to serve serve the world or to show kindness. But I don't Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: know, is that totally wrong? Am I a horrible person? Sarah Harding: No, no. I'm like, I'm with you on that one. The same it the same thing goes for this is my little shtick, is when you go to the store, like a big corporate store, Target will say, or whatever, and they say, well, do you want to donate five dollars to whatever thing on the little like touch doohickey? And I'm like, No, I don't. Like maybe I do, but Also, I'm gonna give you my money and you're gonna pool it all together and then you're gonna donate it and then you're gonna get the tax break when I'm the one that needs the tax break. Erin Sheffield: I know. I had that on my list. Rounding up donation ask. I wrote, Sarah Harding: Are you serious? Yes. Erin Sheffield: get a little guilt trip with their tax write-off. So then you have Sarah Harding: Right. Erin Sheffield: to be like, I'm sorry about the sick children that I won't give my Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: pennies to. Also, Sarah Harding: Right. Erin Sheffield: Target can write it off and act like they're the good guys, but I totally Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: agree. I don't like the the guilt trip on things I shouldn't have to pay for. It's like the turning the screen and wanting a tip because you'd change my tires Sarah Harding: Yes. Erin Sheffield: or something. Like I didn't know we were tipping for this now. Sarah Harding: Right. Yeah. Yeah, or the counter service. When you go to the restaurant and you're doing counter service, so you stand there, you put in your own order, or maybe they put in the order, and then they'll call your number and then they want you to tip them. And I'm like, but But I did all the work. I'm gonna go re I'm gonna go fill up my drink at the iced tea stand now. I'll be right back, you know. Erin Sheffield: Yeah, for sure. Well, I had one Sarah Harding: Very strange. Erin Sheffield: episode too with my staff. I was ordering them lunch and normally our s town is small enough someone will just pop out and go pick it up. But I said, it looks like DoorDash is doing like a three dollar delivery promo. So if we need to do that or wanna do that th you know, check it out. But I don't know why the three dollar delivery feed thing didn't work. We ended up charging like $35 or something for the delivery fee. It was something crazy. And then my Sarah Harding: Well Erin Sheffield: staff, being very kind with my credit card, gave like a 35% tip. And so Sarah Harding: yeah. Yes. Erin Sheffield: the hundred dollar meal that I ordered had like a hundred dollars in delivery Sarah Harding: Doubled. Erin Sheffield: fees. Like I'm not joking, it was almost the exact same price. And I was so annoyed, like I know it's not your money, you don't really care maybe is a vibe, but I would much rather have given you guys the hundred dollars if I'm Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: spending that. I'd rather give it to you. 'Cause Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: if he wasn't driving in New York City traffic or something like that, Sarah Harding: No. Erin Sheffield: I was like five minutes across town and the thirty five dollar delivery fee felt like pretty generous for even that. Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I've never been one to DoorDash. It just seems too lazy Erin Sheffield: but just asking. Yeah. Sarah Harding: to me. I'm like, if I'm if I'm if I'm hungry enough to order something, I just need to go pick it up. Erin Sheffield: Yeah. We've done it most of the time when I do it, it's like if we're in Orlando and we're staying at a hotel and we don't have a car and it doesn't make Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: sense to Uber and we're somewhere where it's not walkable, we're not in the city or whatever. But yeah, besides Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: that I'm not really a big door dasher, but yeah, what's puzzling to me. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah, it's what else is really gross is like when people door dash things like McDonald's or like Taco Bell and you're like, That stuff is gross, even if you get it right at the restaurant and it's warm. But by the time you're gonna get it, it's probably like not quite so warm and it's probably even more disgusting than Erin Sheffield: yeah. Especially when they get lost and they can't find your house. Sarah Harding: Which probably doesn't happen to you very often, but I mean, you know, me. They're like, is this, Erin Sheffield: Uh-huh. sure. Sarah Harding: do I go up this dirt road? Like, yes, you do. Sorry. Talk to San Diego County about that. I've tried and they're not listening to me. Erin Sheffield: Ha ha Another hot take. Come on, San Diego County. Sarah Harding: I know. Goodness. Erin Sheffield: Well, our town, we got a new mayor, and her big platform was redoing all of the potholes, fixing the roads by like November of her first year. And so that seems great because the roads here are terrible. Like, hello, Sarah Harding: wow. Erin Sheffield: Illinois. And so, wow, that's so great. Until your entire town is under construction. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Makes it so hard to get anywhere. So now we're like, so it will probably be worth it, you know, by November, hopefully it'll really be done. But the construction Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: just feels like it's perennial in some places, just all day, every day, every year. Sarah Harding: You know, speaking of hating on San Diego in this way, I've been to so many places where the f the weather fluctuates gr drastically, like where you are. And Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: in those places you're kind of like, I get it. I understand why they have potholes and stuff. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Contraction, expansion, yeah. Sarah Harding: But we live in a place where like there's not that much change in temperature, right? And we Erin Sheffield: No, no. Sarah Harding: have so many potholes. So many. And do you know what they do? They just will drive around. And they'll just scoop out some of the like lava rocks and like Erin Sheffield: Right, the hot gravel or whatever. Yeah. Sarah Harding: and like pad it in, but not even really. They'll just kinda put it there and then hope that the cars that drive over it smooth it down enough. Erin Sheffield: We'll do the smoothing. Sarah Harding: Can you imagine if that's what we did to fill cavities? We were like just toss a little composite in there. All right, chew on it now, see if that works. Erin Sheffield: I mean the occlusion would be stable. If just slowly Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: set with the all the light in your mouth. The ambient light. Sarah Harding: Yeah, and think about all the leakage around it, right? Which is what happens in the potholes and then they just open back up again. After you've already Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: spewed all that hot lava gravel rock all over your car. 'Cause it's sticky too. Erin Sheffield: I know. I had a family member that their car got like totally r like what are all these stains on your car? It was from driving through some of that stuff. Man, yeah. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. There's another reason to hate San Diego. Erin Sheffield: on San Diego. And here I'm like, I've always said San Diego is like the promised land of America. If it weren't for high prices and traffic, talk about Sarah Harding: Yeah. It is when you come and visit. Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: the best place on earth to live. Shows you the grass is always greener, huh? That's my hot Sarah Harding: Yes, sure is. Erin Sheffield: take. That's my hot tag, my pet peeve. Like you can live in San Diego and still be complaining. Sarah Harding: So true. It's so true. Yeah. Because they're always gonna find a way to stick it to you. Like, yeah, you live in this wonderful place, but guess what? We're gonna make it hard on you anyway. It's fine. It's fine. Erin Sheffield: Yeah, right. I mean you have to have an average level of enjoyment in your life even there, I guess. Okay, my next Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. True. Erin Sheffield: hot take. Being rude to your family member's doctor in the name of advocacy isn't actually helping your loved one. Sarah Harding: Fair. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Like, do you find so often it's not even the patient that's being antagonistic or rude or demanding? It's their person. And the worst Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. Well Erin Sheffield: ones, the worst ones are the old timey nurses that were a nurse and then they retired when they had kids or something, so they haven't been in nursing for twenty or thirty years, but they think they know, but they don't really remember accurately, and so they're coming at you so hard. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Or they like question everything and you're like, Erin Sheffield: I do think you need to advocate. Yes. Sarah Harding: you know, I don't mind questions. It's fine. Erin Sheffield: Yeah, you need to advocate for yourself. And I've had multiple times in the healthcare system where navigating it has been tricky, even for me as a doctor who kind of knows how it works. And I've had times where I've been gaslit or railroaded and things like that. So I totally get it. But when you're the doctor trying to be helpful and do a good job, it can be really hard. For example, I had this woman come in with a post op complication and She came with her son and he was really rude and antagonistic and everything I said, you could just see the like you know and you're I'm like, is something wrong? Sarah Harding: Yeah. Right. Erin Sheffield: And so it's like, This has been going on way too long. And it was a situation where she had called in and had told us the complication and it seemed very routine for the time. So you know try these things that normally work and keep us posted and then we never heard anymore. And we didn't know she was having problems for all this time. So yeah, by the time Sarah Harding: Right. Erin Sheffield: she got in in six weeks or something, yeah, it'd been a long time Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: coming and I feel bad about that. But Sarah Harding: Right. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: now I'm afraid to go in and like talk to her and to give ideas because everything I say is being scrutinized and argued with. it just makes it hard to do a good job. So when I had to see her on follow up, I was like, no. I'm so worried to go in and I hope I can even help her. And then her daughter in law was there instead. And I was just like, my gosh, we had like the best appointment. She was so sweet and helpful and they were grateful. Sarah Harding: Yes. Thank you. how funny. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: So it really does make a difference. And they've done Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: studies to show when you're not kind to your doctor, you don't get as good care because we're human. Sarah Harding: Yeah, right. Yeah. And you're always you're like on guard, right? I feel like Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: a lot of times too, and maybe this is a good little hot take, but I don't know if I should say this out loud. But sometimes I feel like, you know, when you've got a patient that's a lawyer and you're a little bit like, God, is there something Erin Sheffield: Mm-hmm. Sarah Harding: I'm gonna do that they're gonna wanna like sue me for or something, you know? But a lot of times I've have that same feeling when I have a patient or a family member that's a nurse. Erin Sheffield: Mm. Sarah Harding: I don't know. Do you get do you Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Yeah, no, that's what I was just kind of saying. Like they're always watching and sometimes they don't get it right. I love nurses. I admire them so much. And I don't would not want to Sarah Harding: Mm. I know. That's why it's like so hard for me to say that. Erin Sheffield: feel like I'm not appreciating nurses because I love them and they make my life so much easier in so many ways. And I just admire the hard job they do with so much compassion. But when they're right in you hard and my Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Example of someone they got diagnosed with cancer, he did a biopsy, head and neck cancer, and he tried to send them to a head and neck surgeon, and then they talked to someone in their family who was a nurse, and they told them, Absolutely not, you need to see an oncologist, and so they kind of got stuck going in and around. It's like the head and neck surgeon is the surgical oncologist for this kind of cancer, but Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: it ended up delaying their treatment. Sarah Harding: Ooh, that's bad. Erin Sheffield: And kinda causing some problems just because they thought they knew, but I didn't really know for this. You know, they weren't knowledgeable on this specialty. So yeah. I'm all for advocacy, Sarah Harding: Well Erin Sheffield: but a little bit of humility is helpful as well. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Well, and it's that's the other thing too. It's a little bit scary because just the terminology is what delayed the care, right? Because you have like a medical oncologist, which is the person that does the chemo. You'd have the surgical oncologist, Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: which is the one that like does the surgery on the cancer. You have the radiation oncologist, right? You know, and it's just like Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: but but we don't usually call them surgical oncologists. We call them head neck surgeons. So it's like a Erin Sheffield: Right. Sarah Harding: it's almost a misnomer that I can understand, you know. Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: I don't know. Erin Sheffield: Yeah, for sure. And he kept trying to tell them but they didn't understand. And then they go to the oncologist and the oncologist is like, Okay, let's get you to the head and neck team. So eventually got where they needed to go, but with some delay and Sarah Harding: Whoopsie daisy. Erin Sheffield: you certainly don't want to delay when we're talking about cancer and getting your care. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's a scary one too. all right. What about this? my friend Carrie that was in town, she was telling me that. One of the associates, I guess, at her practice. They hired an associate. And he says to all of their patients, you don't need to worry about your wisdom teeth getting your wisdom teeth out until you're 22. What? Wh where where did you where'd you see that? Where where'd you where'd you find where'd you find that? Erin Sheffield: What's twenty-two? What's the magical meaning of twenty-two? Sarah Harding: Yeah, what what happens when y you we're all different, right? Like some people can wait until they're twenty two and it's like they're just like at the good spot. But some people need out at fifteen. And so if you're waiting seven extra years, like, where did this come from? Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Have you have you ever even had family members come in like siblings? And you've got the older sibling and the younger sibling and The older sibling is like three years older. They're like nineteen and they've got these tiny little tooth buds. And Sarah Harding: Yes. Erin Sheffield: then like the thirteen year old, you're like, it's really close to the nerve. Like it's not a chronological age thing. And I hear Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: a lot of people say, sixteen, when you get your diver's license, that's the perfect time. And I disagree. For most people it probably is good timing, but I would Sarah Harding: Right. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: much rather at least get the first X ray, like thirteen, fourteen, so we can monitor Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: 'cause I've found some of them are ready earlier than that. And I just don't like being close to the nerve if we don't have to be, that's my biggest concern. So Sarah Harding: Yeah. Here's the question for you though. So when because I agree, I like to follow patients and take them out when it's the right time. A lot of people, and especially in high concentrated areas, will just take them out because they're like, Well, if I don't take them out now, they're gonna go somewhere else and that person's gonna take them out. And so it's this like Erin Sheffield: sure. Sarah Harding: thing. And so but for that, do you see them for and do a consult and then Do you just say, Well, we'll wait a year and then do you charge them for another consult, or do you just take a new x ray and then go from there? Erin Sheffield: I charge them for a new console. I used to be much more the type of, it's not their fault I'm seeing them again or they already got Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: an x ray for something last year, so I'm gonna now charge it. But I'm starting to take a little more what's the word? Pride in what I do or I don't know, you know, like my time and realize it's worth something exactly. Sarah Harding: And your time, yeah. 'Cause it's still your time. I mean you still spent the time. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: So I do and I think There is some value in me acting as that consultant to find the right time. But Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: I do find most of my patients are coming to me. I live in a rural area. A lot of them are driving from quite a ways away and Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: they really like to do same day screen and extract. And so most of the time we just make it work. So it might be a little on the early side, but we're gonna make it work. Might Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: be a little later than we wanted and that's probably more often what happens and Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: Darn it, we're gonna be as careful around that nerve as we can. But most of the time I make it work. And there's a range of what, you know, we feel comfortable doing. If it's really, really off then I'll sometimes just say, Hey, I just don't think this is the right time and especially like those upper high ones. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. And that's the one too that I'm kinda like if the if those are still really high and the lowers are still pretty small, like maybe Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: you know, like one third of root development, if that. I'm like, we'll wait a year. We'll wait a Erin Sheffield: Mm-hmm. Right. Sarah Harding: year. Because then at that point, then I'll take out the lowers and we still may wait on the uppers, or may not, who knows, right? Yeah. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Right. Right. And sometimes we leave the uppers even. But I was surprised I made that video last week about getting your wisdom teeth out. I wish it said I something like, I wish parents knew that if they wait to get their child's wisdom teeth out it can cause permanent damage and I was I put it over a video of me crying and I Sarah Harding: I saw the video you're crying, I'm like, what is she crying about? And then I'm like, okay, it's just the V roll that she's using for these videos. Erin Sheffield: It's just the V-roll. It's just an old crying video. But yeah. But I did not think it was a controversial take at all. And I got so many people coming at me. And a lot of it is Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: international doctors because they have different philosophies. But there's also Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: this again, we keep talking about this misinformation going around that like you need your wisdom teeth. And as you get older, Sarah Harding: Mm. Erin Sheffield: they magically straighten out and come in. And you and I both know that's not true. I've seen many a ninety year old with a horizontally impacted third molar, even if they had all of their teeth out. How many times have you seen that? Like they've been wearing Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: dentures for years and they start poking through and they're Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: ninety five and sicker than a dog and you have to figure out how to get it out on them, you know? So yeah, that was interesting. yeah. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Or even in the 50-year-olds where it's like they're a little bit they're vertical or they're maybe a little distoangular and then they get that little sp pocket back behind it and they're like Erin Sheffield: yeah. Sarah Harding: this just chronic yuck. And Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: they're like, I don't understand why my breath is terrible. And I'm like, I do. Erin Sheffield: It's called infection. Perio breath. Once you smell it, you can't unsmell it. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Surprise. It's infected. Yeah. You cannot unsmell it. And especially if you were a smoker. Holy my Jesus. That is the just jankiest smell. Yeah. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: That's so true. So true. my gosh. gosh. Okay, Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: well, we're on the healthcare vibes. Parents not getting the HPV vaccine because they think their ch child is going to remain a virgin their whole life. Sarah Harding: So this is funny. This has come up from two totally different people for me in the last month. Yeah, Erin Sheffield: Really? wow. Sarah Harding: and one was a one was a mom of a girl who's 15, and one was a mom of a boy who's 10. And I just need to read a little bit more about it because, Erin Sheffield: Mm-hmm. Sarah Harding: you know, I think it is. my gosh, I'm gonna sound so uneducated in this. But my thought on it is that it doesn't matter if they are like sexually active, it is if like because even kissing, right, is because if the person that they're kissing has been sexually active in that way, like, right? I mean, this is how I don't know. Erin Sheffield: Well, oral cancer is on the rise. And we know that in Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: young, healthy people, not the demographic of old smoker dudes. It's more Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: young, healthy people that never smoked. And it's killing people or even I think it's more survivable to HPV-related oral cancers, but Sarah Harding: It is. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: still the morbidity. Sarah Harding: Yeah, right. Erin Sheffield: of it. And then there's cervical cancer, which is a huge killer, you know, in other parts of the world, especially. And so I don't know. It's just funny, people are always making comments online. Why are we making vaccines for COVID? Why don't we make vaccines for cancer? And when we do have the vaccines Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: for cancer, they still don't want to take them. And they've essentially, Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: I heard, eliminated like cervical cancer in Australia almost because they have such a high uptake of the Gardasil. HP V vaccine. But Sarah Harding: Interesting. Erin Sheffield: my kind of thought is even my husband and I who are in a monogamous relationship and I'm certain he's faithful and I promise I am as well. I'm Like we thought about him getting it because he's an ENT surgeon and he does cases where they get these HPV warts on their vocal cords and they have to go to the OR and like laser them off and then you're maybe putting that into the air and breathing it. And so like we don't want him getting it from that. So it can be something Sarah Harding: Yeah. Aerosolizing it or yeah. Yeah. Huh. Erin Sheffield: as simple as that, or I mean, heaven forbid your child one day decides to have a sexual relationship with someone and who knows what their partner did, or maybe their partner cheats on them, or they're maybe they're molested as a child. There's so many potential options that making Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: it a morality thing or thinking it's giving permission to your child to be Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: promiscuous. And even then if they choose that, I don't know. I just think it's an interesting Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: point of view. But I can get when your child is just so sweet, you don't wanna think about your ten year old needing something like that, I guess. But that's why they give it so early, 'cause you don't know the exposure. Sarah Harding: Right. Yeah. This is a really tough it's a tough conversation. Yeah, it's a tough conversation. And I don't even I because I haven't looked into it at all, but I don't know what the ages are that we are like giving offering it because I think she said that he they offered it at his nine year appointment. And she was like, Ooh, I feel like that's maybe a little young and then did it in the ten. She's like, Eee, I'm not still not quite sure. And so I was like, Well, let me look into it a little bit. And so I haven't yet done that. But I need to. Because I just I got d I did I tell you this when I was in dental school, MUSC was doing was one of the centers that was doing the testing for the different valencies. Erin Sheffield: Gardasil? Sarah Harding: It was for Gardasil, but there was like a because Gardasil is a six valent, I think. Erin Sheffield: okay. Sarah Harding: And then there's a nine valent that they were also testing. and then there was a placebo, right? I think. And I got the nine valent one. I don't know. but I think I had had HPV at that point already. And so interesting, right? Erin Sheffield: Well, that's interesting they would rule you in. I was also Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: in a study during dental school. They must have been paying big bucks because I was like, sure. And I ended up with the Gardasil, which was the placebo. And so, you know, I had multiple appointments and then finally I since I had the placebo I got kicked out of the study. But yeah, I'd yeah, that's interesting. We're bosom buddies. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Cause I know one of my girlfriends had like a bad reaction. but I don't know if it was I don't know if it was a reaction to the medication or like a vasovagal. I don't remember, but it was Erin Sheffield: sure. Sarah Harding: something along those lines. But I've heard of a couple of people that have had like interesting reactions in that way afterwards. Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: But I was fine. Doop, do, do, do, you know. Erin Sheffield: Yeah, I didn't have any issues. Sarah Harding: yeah. And so I just don't know if there is. I don't I just don't I just don't know. I don't know the i indications on age. I don't know the like you know, the physiologic. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Well, I think they're trying to just capture the child before it becomes an issue and you don't know when someone's gonna be exposed. And again, sometimes it's not their choice to be exposed. Sometimes there Sarah Harding: Right. Erin Sheffield: are predatory things happening and so Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: I think they kinda lean on this sh earlier scale. Also, it used to just be for girls and so that's interesting. I I Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: think it makes sense to do it for boys as well, because maybe girls are more prone to cervical cancer, but boys certainly can get it and spread it and also Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah, it's significant, significantly higher in males. Yeah. Well here's Erin Sheffield: Now again, HPV related oral cancer, so for us it's very applicable, definitely. Sarah Harding: you know, it's funny because I think too that the that same thought process is was really prevalent when I was starting college and or even in high school when girls would get onto birth control, whether it be Erin Sheffield: Yes. Sarah Harding: because they had like really heavy periods or whatever it was. Erin Sheffield: Right. Sarah Harding: And that was the same conversation, like, you're encouraging them to be sexually active by doing this. And I Erin Sheffield: Right. Sarah Harding: think it's so interesting because it's like actually, it's a good opportunity to have a conversation and say, Erin Sheffield: Sure. Sarah Harding: like, you know, this can protect these things, but not these things. And this, like, I just feel like as a society, we do these like big enveloping protective mechanisms, but we're afraid to talk about the things that we need to be talking about. Erin Sheffield: Right. Sarah Harding: You know what I mean? Like, We're giving you this vaccine, not because we don't trust you or whatever, but because of this. Or we're doing birth control because of this. And like, you know, because when it's all this secretive stuff that we don't talk about, then it it fuels that like curiosity and stuff but if we just have conversations about Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: it and it's just a normal thing, then it's not that way, I think. I don't know. Erin Sheffield: I also think we're policing morality on things that are not really lived in our society. So we're gonna pretend that our child is a virgin until they get married. And as someone who was a virgin when they got married, and I'm not I'm not embarrassed to say it, but most people are. Like, I know I'm very unusual, you know? So why Sarah Harding: Right. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: are we acting like all of our children are to You know, have a promise ring and do Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: all these things when no one's no one's even advocating for that lifestyle, no one's even like teaching that lifestyle. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Well and I think it's because nobody wants to talk about it, so they're just gonna assume. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: So it's not even like a big part of our society. If you don't live with your fiance before you get married, that's almost frowned on now. Like that's stupid. Why wouldn't you do that? So it's Sarah Harding: Right. Erin Sheffield: just funny to me that we're policing it from a healthcare standpoint, but we're not even desiring to live that lifestyle from like the societal standpoint. So we don't always make sense in our decisions, do we? Sarah Harding: No, we don't. That's for sure. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Well Sarah Harding: Yeah. All Erin Sheffield: Okay, here's another one. Sarah Harding: right. Erin Sheffield: Saying you're just kidding or is just a joke as an excuse to be rude. Sarah Harding: Mm. Yep. Yeah. It's like, now you're just kidding. Now that you get called out on it. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: I hate that so much. Someone made a comment in my comments the other day and it it was something really rude. And when I called it out, they were like, it's just a joke. my gosh. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: And then they gaslight you. Like, how could you be so dumb to think that's a joke? Yeah. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, gosh, why are you so sensitive? All I did was tell you that you're hideous and you're ugly and your family should die, but I was just kidding. Didn't you know that? Erin Sheffield: It's just a joke. And my thought is like, this is something I've been telling my kids because they try to maneuver that. They'll say something Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: that's rude and I'll be like, We don't talk like that in our family to each other or to others. And they'll be it was just a joke. And I say it but it wasn't funny. There Sarah Harding: But it wasn't funny. Erin Sheffield: was nothing funny about it. And we don't get to say It's a joke just to take it back because we're embarrassed. And so Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: my kids, my eight year olds learning this lesson, but there are plenty of adults that don't who don't know. And so if you wanna come to my house, we'll happily, you know, discuss these things and teach you. But Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: I hate that you turn it around and act like I'm the problem, but Sarah Harding: Right. Erin Sheffield: If it was a joke then you're really not a comedian. There's nothing funny about that. So Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: that's maybe even more embarrassing. I don't know. Sarah Harding: Yeah. But how can you turn it around and just call them out on it? Like, well that was a really good try at covering your tracks, but everybody saw right through it. Sorry, Brill. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Same kind thing on that video I was talking about where I was crying. I had a couple people call me out for being like, That's so cringy that you fake cry on camera for attention. Sarah Harding: Ha ha ha Erin Sheffield: And I said, Well, I I'm a much better actress than you think I am, then or than I think I am, if you thought that was acting, because those were like real, very sad tears in the moment. And Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: you're right, it wasn't it wasn't what I was actually crying about. That was kind of like the shtick. of the video but thank you. Thank you that you Sarah Harding: Thank you. Erin Sheffield: think I'm that good. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Those are like real tears, snotty nose, red, puffy face kind of thing, but Sarah Harding: Yeah. Here's a hot take Erin Sheffield: Good on me. Sarah Harding: for you. I don't I haven't cr I don't cry a ton. I do cry some and I get teary eyed some, but I'll tell you what, my blue eyes look beautiful when I cry. Erin Sheffield: Really? Sarah Harding: Yes. They're like vibrantly, like unbelievably beautiful. And I think that that's just a funny, weird, interesting thing. Erin Sheffield: You should be on reality TV then. Aren't they always crying? What? The recipe is not? It's just the eyes. Sarah Harding: Mm, no, because the rest of me is not beautiful. No, just the eyes. Yeah. The rest of it's like splotchy red, not not attractive. Erin Sheffield: Someone told me I was a pretty crier the other day and I was like, What are you talking about? I'm always like, Whoa! My face is all morphed and and red and puffy and Sarah Harding: I'll take it. Erin Sheffield: I'm red and puffy for hours after it's terrible. So terrible. Yes. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Huh. Well, I've Sarah Harding: Mm. Erin Sheffield: never noticed my eyes being beautiful when I cry. I don't think that's a thing for brown eyed people, maybe. Sarah Harding: I don't know. Anyway, maybe I'll find a picture and send it to you. I got some good ones. No I know. Erin Sheffield: I need it now. I should make you cry to see if it's true. made you cry many a time on this podcast. You say Sarah Harding: I know. Erin Sheffield: you don't cry often, but I don't believe it. Sarah Harding: I know. I go in phases. It's a season, you know, there's like crying seasons and you know, it's okay. Maybe I'm not in a crying season, I don't know. Erin Sheffield: I feel I didn't think I was a big crier and then I remember I was in Bangkok and I'd been traveling in Asia for probably six weeks and it was almost time to go home. And I was feeling kind of overwhelmed in the city being there for so long and traveling Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: by myself. And I was just ready to get on the plane. And so I was waiting out the time and I was watching bad TV. And the only thing on was this documentary about this bombing in Indonesia. Sarah Harding: Oof. Erin Sheffield: And I just started like bawling. it's so unfair. The word Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: I feel like ever since then it's like I would say a paper towel commercial, I'll be like, it's so absorbent, so much more absorbent than the leading brand and I'm just bawling Sarah Harding: Yeah. I know. Erin Sheffield: and I just it's like the drop of a hat, man. I just the water works, it's really bad. Sarah Harding: Mm. Yeah. I think g being pregnant and having kids has done that to me. Like it's like, you know, whatever. Yeah, it it just comes to just come. Surprise. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing is very Erin Sheffield: So close to the surface just comes. And sometimes at the weirdest times. Sarah Harding: interesting to me about traveling, is that I found this when you're not super good at the language, I feel like you can get by You know, you can figure out your way around and people can help you, and you'd use a lot of hands and arms and you know, facial expressions. But you can't you can't express yourself through words in a way that you're used to doing. And so then you find that it's all bottled up inside of you and it's really uncomfortable. I found that when I went to Germany, like when I was in high school and college, and I was trying to talk with people and and I could communicate with them. But I couldn't really express like my my highs and lows. It was just very l neutral. And and that is Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: really hard for me because you know, I'm an expressive person, you know. And so that was really hard. But maybe that's why it really Erin Sheffield: Mm-hmm. That's true. Maybe that's where my teen yeah, maybe that's where the tears were coming from. I've been here for Sarah Harding: Yeah. I don't know. Interesting. Erin Sheffield: so long and no one could understand me because I can't understand any Thai at all. And Sarah Harding: No, it's very difficult. It's very difficult. Erin Sheffield: I remember traveling like in Europe or Latin America, I can read the letters. At least most of the time, you know? Sarah Harding: Yeah, yeah. Erin Sheffield: And so when I was in Thailand, I remember trying to find a hotel and I was staying in this kind of boutique hotel. So I'm in Bangkok and I get in a taxi and I'm showing him the address and telling him and he does not know where to go. And I kept showing him the address and I kept being like, How come you can't just put the address in? And it Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: took me like 20 minutes to realize, because this address is written in our num our alphabet, you know Sarah Harding: Hi. okay. Erin Sheffield: and it's not in Thai 'cause they use a whole other system, you know? And so Sarah Harding: Yeah. wow. Erin Sheffield: finally I we were like stuck and I didn't know where to go and I'm there by myself. Sarah Harding: I would have just put start and given him my phone. Like, here, follow these directions. Erin Sheffield: Well, I feel like it was before then too. Like we didn't really have Sarah Harding: Yeah, okay. Erin Sheffield: Yeah. And so finally I was just kinda like, he's so I got out and he let me go and then we were asking some people and finally some guy stopped. This like college student stopped and he spoke English and he pulled the guy over on a scooter. And I don't know if it was just a guy on now Sarah Harding: Thanks. Erin Sheffield: that I think back on it, was it just a guy on a scooter? Was he like a taxi guy on a scooter? I don't know. Next thing you know, I'm just on the back of some guy's scooter and he takes me to the hotel and I was so relieved. Now I'm like, that sounds sketchy. But I was very glad. 'Cause we were so lost. And it wasn't even that far away, but man. Yeah. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Hmm. How funny. Yeah. Yeah, that's really hard. I know. That's hard. Yeah. Here's one for you. Since we've just started back in school in the last couple weeks. and now that I have two kids in school in the public school, the amount of communication like electronic communication through texts and emails that come that aren't like directed just at me. It's just like the the broadcast ones is extensive. And I already feel like I have like emails coming from all these random other things now that I'm starting this little practice. And it's hard for me to I don't know, because my new phone doesn't necessarily notify me when I get emails that are important, Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: right? And so I get so much communication. And then we also have this little class dojo, this little app that they send messages on to, but sometimes they send through Erin Sheffield: Mm, yeah, we have that too now. Sarah Harding: that and sometimes through email. And so you have to like be checking all the things. And it is insane because then you kind of feel like I'm getting a lot of communication, but I don't feel any more informed. Erin Sheffield: so bad at that stuff. I felt like I was always the only mom that didn't know. And I I can't even get logged into one of the apps for one of the schools. I even was at like the back to school night and they're like, let us help you and I tried and they're like too busy and they couldn't help me so I never even got on and luckily my husband's a lot better but and my kids are, Mom, tomorrow's this day. We Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: gotta bring this but I'm right there with you. I just can't even that's so out of my bandwidth. And then I'm like, I'm a really bad mom, maybe, because I can keep track of all these surgery things and everything else, but I'm the last person to know what's going on with the kids. I'm so Sarah Harding: I just think it's yeah, it's funny. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: lost. Sarah Harding: But I'll tell you what, just like what you were just saying, I feel like there's some things that my brain does really well. And there's some things that my brain does not do well. And one Erin Sheffield: Mm-hmm. Sarah Harding: thing that I've noticed lately is that I used to be really good at multitasking a lot more stuff. But now I like I used to be like a I don't know, like a little spaceship and I could like bounce from you know, thing to thing. And it wouldn't get me off of my game with whatever else I was doing. But then n lately I feel like I'm a train on an old track. And like, if I am on this train, and I guess I've always had this, but if I'm on this train and I'm going in this direction, like don't don't try and get me off of this because if you get me off of this, I'll just kind of fall over. And then I'm not good at anything. Like I just need to finish what I'm doing. And then you can Yeah. Yeah, Erin Sheffield: And then divert me to another track, but don't take me back. Sarah Harding: 'cause it was like just now when we were trying to get this podcast started and my husband's like, you know, we have our flooded closet. And he's moving stuff around in there and then he's asking me questions and he's trying to come up with like his designs I and like where we want to put things. And then he's like, why don't you take a you know hanger into there and see if you want to if this fits in this space and I was like, I cannot. I cannot at this moment. I need to finish getting ready so that I can go do this podcast because I cannot get off onto that because I will get onto that train track and then I am just In it for the long haul. I'm headed cross country on that train and I will spend all day. Erin Sheffield: All in. Yeah. It's two AM and the train's still going. Sarah Harding: Yes. And is this like a thing? Is this is this like what 40s look like? Do I am I just have I lost Erin Sheffield: I don't know Sarah Harding: all my flexibility? Because remember when Katie Walker was talking about how she really likes like surgeons, for example, are really good with ketamine therapy because we are able to take in all of this information and be you know, flexible in judgment. And I was sitting there thinking, maybe, but maybe not. Like I certainly used to be more that way, but I was like, hmm. Erin Sheffield: Is that me? Sarah Harding: But I do think in surgery, I probably like I still am, because, you know, you're just doing you're just trucking along and then you get a bleeder and then you're like, yeah, fix that. And and then this, that, and you know, you can bounce, but I feel like it's still within It's still within that little train station. So I think I don't know. Erin Sheffield: for sure. Well that's another of my hot takes is is it perimenopause? Like everything in our life right now it's like, is this perimenopause? And half the doctors are like, it could be and half the doctors are like, You're too young and you're like, What do you mean I'm too young? Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Am I crazy or is it perimenopause? is there so am I I Sarah Harding: Right. Or both. Erin Sheffield: Is it just insomnia or is it perimenopause? Is it dry skin? Is it perimenopause? Is it anger or is it perimenopause? Sarah Harding: I know. Erin Sheffield: Like every little thing. And I feel like my memory the thing I'm trying to decide right now at night I have so many weird sleep things. Am I Crazy. Am I losing my memory or am I just having weird dreams? And that's why I can't remember. Because it's not real. Sarah Harding: interesting. Erin Sheffield: But like every night I'm like, did I forget to take this medicine? Well, what medicine would it have been? And now I'm on a bunch of new medicines because of my back and stuff and my headache. Sarah Harding: gosh. Erin Sheffield: So it's like, did I take it or didn't I? And which one even is it? And I don't know. I don't Sarah Harding: my gosh. Erin Sheffield: know. maybe I've not been taking it, but it's one you're supposed to keep taking and taper down. So then Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: But my husband's asleep, so I can't ask him like, hey. Or if I do, he's asleep enough, it's like, mm, like he's annoyed or something. No, we don't have any medicine. Go back to bed. Is it perimenopause Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. my goodness. Erin Sheffield: or am I crazy? I legit don't know. Or is it a brain tumor? Who knows? But Sarah Harding: I know. Erin Sheffield: it's a scary feeling. Sarah Harding: Yeah. I also wonder at this stage of the game if because I've always been fine with less than eight hours of sleep, but I feel like now I kinda need the eight hours of sleep. Like my husband gets up early and goes and works out. And as much as I would love to do that, we both can't do that because then, you know, there's Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: like little chillins that but we go to bed at the same time. And I'm like, how do you do that? Like Erin Sheffield: They usually say women need more sleep than men too. I have a opposite problem. I need more sleep. Yeah. Sarah Harding: Yeah. And so but but I'm getting now I'm getting more sleep than he is. Well, I'm in bed longer. That doesn't because I was up at three AM this morning and like rolling from side to side because like one of the kids woke up and was had a nightmare or whatever it was and they're both like real snotty right now 'cause they just started school and I'd couldn't go back to sleep. And so then I'm like, Well, he probab but he sleeps right through it. Or if you go wakes up you can fall right back asleep and I can't do that. And so I don't know if necessarily I'm getting more sleep or not. Maybe I need to Erin Sheffield: I feel like I'm having the Sarah Harding: Look into that. Erin Sheffield: opposite problem. Like, I'm so tired, but my brain's like, wake up time. And I'll be like, I only got four hours. Why are we awake? I don't have to Sarah Harding: wow. my gosh. Erin Sheffield: be up yet. Can we just go back to sleep? But it's like, no, it's time to be awake. And I'll be like, no, it's not. I have an extra 30 minutes. Why are we doing this? Like, my, Sarah Harding: yeah. Erin Sheffield: like, my. Chron my biological clock or the what do they call it? Sarah Harding: Kronos. Erin Sheffield: Rise the chrono I know I was gonna say the chronological clock is like, it's time, but my body's like, no, we need more sleep, so why? Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. So we installed finally. So we live in the sticks, right? And you can't see into my house from the road or from the back. I guess probably the neighbors can probably Erin Sheffield: Right. Sarah Harding: see into my house because we have a big picture window in our bathroom, which is interesting. Yes. You're welcome, neighbors. yeah, you're welcome. Sorry. I don't know, whichever one. Erin Sheffield: lovely. That's all right. If you catch a view, you're just lucky. Sarah Harding: but so we don't have Curtains, like we put curtains into one of the bedrooms when we had our repair because Spot was like, Well, we need to give privacy to her. And I was like, yeah, that's a good idea. And so, Erin Sheffield: Ha ha ha. Sarah Harding: but and it was in the front of the house, you know. And so then in the back of the house is where our bedroom is, and so it's so bright in the mornings. Erin Sheffield: Mm. Sarah Harding: So bright. And so, like, I closed the bathroom door because the sun coming through that is like crazy. And then but in here it's so bright. And so I was like taking my little sleep crown pillow and just like shoving it over with my eyes every morning. And which is also great. But I f we finally got curtains from Shanghai. Hey. Like Erin Sheffield: Mm. Sarah Harding: custom curtains. And I had them Erin Sheffield: nice. Sarah Harding: make the little tie backs that were really expensive to buy in the States, but they were able just to make them for like a lot cheaper. and now Erin Sheffield: nice, nice. Sarah Harding: they're blackout curtains. And so I like I can sleep in the mornings now. I know it's insane. Erin Sheffield: my gosh. We had a lady come do a consultation about getting blackout curtains and she acted like we needed blackout blinds, but then the way the windows were shaped, it wasn't gonna be fully blackout because they couldn't with the old style windows do like the full thing. And then it was gonna be like thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars by the time she came up with this plan for curtains and blinds in the house, and I didn't even think we like necessarily needed that many, that I was just like, never mind. Sarah Harding: Yeah. So yeah. Erin Sheffield: Now I'm like, why couldn't we just get the curtains? Sarah Harding: Right. Yeah. 'Cause it doesn't need to be fully blacked out. Right. 'cause we have s some sun that peeks through, you know, and that's okay. It's fine. And they didn't cost thousands and thousands of dollars. Erin Sheffield: Yeah, I need Spot to get me the custom curtains. Come on, Spot. Come on through. Sarah Harding: See? I know. I know. Get your measurements in. I love it. Erin Sheffield: Yes, sir. You can measure for me when you come visit. You're better at that. Sarah Harding: Yeah. So speaking of shopping for things in Asia, I've never been to Asia, just so that we're all clear. but my husband goes like every week. So he gets to go shopping in Asia. I need sunscreen, right? Like face sunscreen. And everything you hear about the stuff in the States is it's crap, right? And you can go to Europe and you can get stuff there that's like way better. But then my husband was saying, yeah, apparently in Japan, like the Japanese sunscreen is top notch. And I was like, How you been holding out on me, bro? And so, because that's like one of my things, is like I just can't seem to find the right Erin Sheffield: You like? Sarah Harding: one. Yeah. And so I've been using this, I want to say it's a skin suiticals tinted one. And I really that's okay. It's super liquidy though, and it's like, it's all over my hands, you know. And so, but I like that one. But again, it's like the chemicals and stuff that we put in ours versus what they put in theirs. why, why in the United States of America do we have to make everything janky that messes with our integrant Erin Sheffield: Mm-hmm. Sarah Harding: system? And like, why is all of our food so processed? Like it doesn't have to be. Erin Sheffield: They just approved some of the newer s UV filters for our sunscreen, so hopefully it will get better. But yes, going Korean sunscreen, skincare is supposed to be really where it's at. But Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: going to Japan, that's like big reason I'm like, okay, we're going every year 'cause I need to get my sunscreen stash. 'Cause it's far superior. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. And so I just need to figure out what to get. Erin Sheffield: It like smells good and it's not sticky and I have this spray that I put on my arms before I go for walks at work and I don't feel like, ew, sunscreeny You know. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yes, I do know. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just so it's so interesting. Cause I feel like now, I mean, you can see all my freckles, so clearly I was not not good at this as a growing up young gal. but you know, it's funny because I feel like now I just stay out of the sun more and put on more sunscreen. I always have a hat on when I'm out in the grove. Like I'm really good about it. But Like I've already screwed myself over, you know what I mean? And so it's like Erin Sheffield: Maybe if we'd had nice sunscreen for the past twenty years we would have enjoyed wearing Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: it more often. Sarah Harding: Yeah. But what about in the Jetsons? Remember how they used to have that little conveyor belt that they would just get on in the morning and it would like they'd go and it would shower them and then it would put their clothes on them and then they would be out the door. Like, why don't we have that? Like for sunscreen. You know what I mean? We have like a spray tan booth, but like not a spray sunscreen booth. Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Sarah Harding: But that would be so nice. Erin Sheffield: Good idea. Why don't you invent it while you're having all your free time? Sarah Harding: Yeah. Well, because I have eight million ideas on my invention train and I can't get on that train because I'll never get off and nothing will actually ever get made. Erin Sheffield: the dilemma. Can someone hijack her invention train and just make it happen? That would be the best case scenario. Sarah Harding: It is a dilemma. It is. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I'll just put patents in, then I'll just sell my patents so somebody else can make it. Erin Sheffield: Yeah. That's really easy too, I'm sure. Sarah Harding: So for sure. Yeah. And probably really cheap too. Cause I, speaking Erin Sheffield: All right. Sarah Harding: of governmental agencies, I was talking to my friend Margaret, who I'd love to have on the pod sometime. And she and her business partner are just now introducing a new skincare line. And sh I've started using it and I really I really like it. but the eye cream hasn't it got crushed. In customs, they took the lid off to check in on it and they didn't put the lid back on right. And so when they put the other palette on top, it crushed everything. And so Erin Sheffield: no. Sarah Harding: they had to like remake and Erin Sheffield: Start over. Sarah Harding: ship all of that. And so there's not, I didn't get the eye cream and then and then their moisturizer slash sunscreen. she said it takes $25,000 per skew for them at the FDA to. do the testing for anything SPF to make sure that it is in fact the SPF that you are claiming. And so that's gonna take another like bit of time. Yeah, but when you look at a thing, Erin Sheffield: Well, that's good in a way. Thank you. But Sarah Harding: I mean, let's be honest. I'm like, it's forty, it's fifty. I'm not gonna be like, it's forty. I was really looking for fifty. So I'm not gonna have this one. I'll just take the forty, right? Like it's Erin Sheffield: No, for sure. I mean you want it to at least be minimally effective. 'Cause that'd Sarah Harding: Effective. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: be terrible if it wasn't and you're expecting you're okay and then you get totally fried. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: But yeah, I think that's why we have such bad sunscreens here is because the FTA's just not been willing to update most of the options. Sarah Harding: Yeah. So where's our dermatology people that can lobby for that? R Emma Wright? Emma right. Erin Sheffield: I mean, like I said, I've heard that some of it's coming, but still probably Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: not as good, but And then I hear you can buy things on Amazon like Korean sunscreen, but a lot of are American dupes that don't have the ingredients Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: that the Korean ones do anyway. So you gotta be careful about that too. There's a big scammy market of s big skincare, Sarah Harding: Yeah. Right. And that's a gambling market. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: which seems weird, but it's a thing. Sarah Harding: Yeah, well, Brooke Stubbs was saying, because I was asking her about which European sunscreen to get, and she said that even if you go to Europe, like if you get the stuff that was made for export, it's different than the stuff that is not made for export. And so I don't know if that means like if you'd get it at the airport, you know, like duty free or something, if that's made for export, who knows? Erin Sheffield: Right. Sarah Harding: But it's like a whole other thing. It's like this is crazy. That sounds crazy. I just want some sunscreen that's gonna be effective and that you know. Isn't gonna make me look like a ghost. But will make me look like a ghost. That doesn't make any sense. Yes. Yes. Erin Sheffield: I get ya. You don't want it to go on like a ghost, but you wanna stay fair skinned like me. Because I try to stay out of the sun. Definitely. Sarah Harding: Exactly. Erin Sheffield: I know I had a friend today, she was she posted something like, This is forty, huh? And she had like this hoodie all over her face or like tied Sarah Harding: Ha ha ha. Erin Sheffield: around her neck and then like a big hat and like sunscreen. And I was like, yeah, I'd really try not to get tan anymore, mostly, 'cause I don't really wanna be tan, I don't think, you know. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: Like we all think we look better with the tan, but I decided a long Sarah Harding: I know. Erin Sheffield: time ago, well, then I could get a fake tan. And then I thought But then if I get a fake tan, then I'm just promoting tanning and I'm just gonna try to be who I am and enjoy my skin. And Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: I had that epiphany 'cause when I was in Thailand I remember seeing all the people on TV and they were so fair, even though most of the people were pretty tan in Southeast Asia. And they kept peddling all these skin bleaching products. And I remember just thinking it was so weird, like, Sarah Harding: Interesting. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: I'm trying to get tan to look like them, and they're trying to get untan to look like Sarah Harding: Yes. Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: me. Why are we playing musical chairs with our skin? And all of us are getting cancer. Sarah Harding: Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: So this is just dumb. So maybe we should just enjoy the skin we're in. Yeah, exactly. Sarah Harding: Be happy with what God gave us. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: So stop doing that. Doing that. Sarah Harding: Yeah, very interesting. Erin Sheffield: Yeah. Well, I think those are some pretty were they hot or were they just kinda mild takes, what do you think? Sarah Harding: I think they were mild takes. I'm trying to think if there's anything else that's that's real good. Erin Sheffield: Is there anything really spicy? Yeah. Sometimes I Sarah Harding: I don't know. Erin Sheffield: don't really want to say the really hottest takes because I've been doing that so much online that I'm just kind of tired of the backlash for a little while. I keep I'm Sarah Harding: I know. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: so naive, I just walk into it like everyone thinks like me. And then it's Sarah Harding: You sure do. Yeah. Erin Sheffield: like, no, we don't, you're dumb. And I'm like, I just wasn't expecting that. Sarah Harding: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's very it's very I see that a lot of times. I think it's kinda funny. But I too am very naive because I'm just like Erin Sheffield: That's good. Sarah Harding: I feel like we're all in our little echo chambers, right? And so even things that are you know, I'm like, well everybody knows that. Or even when I have like a whole bunch of avocados, I'm like, nobody wants my avocados because everybody has avocados. But they don't, Sarah. They don't. You know what I mean? But I don't it's just Erin Sheffield: Yeah, for sure. Sarah Harding: I just don't understand. I don't understand. You know, and so you don't know what you don't know and you d I don't know. I I think we always discount ourselves and undercut ourselves until somebody comes along and breaks us down and tells us they're just kidding. Erin Sheffield: Well, and things that have been accepted in healthcare Sarah Harding: Yeah. Erin Sheffield: are are not necessarily accepted anymore. The world is maybe flat again, so it's very interesting. But some people think it is. So we'll continue to argue about things that were decided long, long ago. Yes. Sarah Harding: I promise it's not. Yes, I promise it's not. That's true. Well, you know. Yes. Yes. All right. I think that's all I got. Erin Sheffield: Think that's good for now. Sarah Harding: All right. Well, signing off, you can hot take that one to the bank. I could really go all day with these mom jokes on the takes. Yeah. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Erin Sheffield: Right. Wow. That was really good. Wow. Yeah. Sarah Harding: There you go. But we won't get paid for it, so it's fine. Erin Sheffield: No, you're right. Sarah Harding: You can just go talk to the teller. Mm-hmm. Erin Sheffield: Alright, well thanks for joining us for another episode of the Resting Stitch Face podcast. Please like and share and follow for more. Till next time. Sarah Harding: And follow along. And if you have any ideas for guests, let us know. Erin Sheffield: Yes, thank you.