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1-30-26 Hour 2 - Aaron Gordon out for 4-6 weeks/Juggling Ja'Quan & other FAs/Avs are stuck in the mud · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Okay, we were talking about injuries on IT two three four.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get to the Nuggets injury situation in
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  Speaker 2: a second. But you guys have seen Craig Barubi's face,
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  Speaker 2: haven't you.
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  Speaker 3: It's like mows your face.
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  Speaker 2: He's got this giant U shaped cut from almost like
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  Speaker 2: temple to temple on the top of his head and
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  Speaker 2: two like black eyes, and like, what the hell happened? Well,
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  Speaker 2: this podcast, Nasty Knuckles is what it's called.
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  Speaker 4: I think what.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the name of the podcast. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what do you mean what.
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  Speaker 4: Nasty knuckles? Who's on it?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea? Uh Riley Cody. It comes from
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  Speaker 2: a site called bro Bible by a guy named Slice Britt.
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  Speaker 2: The the thing is, though they found out what happened
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  Speaker 2: to him, they said it was an accident, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what kind of accident could happen? So he was doing, like,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, an inclined and look at his head, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he was doing like an incline. Press looks like he
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  Speaker 2: had brain surgery. That's what I'm saying. They said he
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  Speaker 2: was doing an incline press that was up with the bar,
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  Speaker 2: and he said lost control of it. The bar came down,
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  Speaker 2: not only clipped the top of his head, but vic
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  Speaker 2: it came down with such force that it said it
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  Speaker 2: peeled the skin down. That's why it looks like that.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, nope.
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  Speaker 2: And if there's something that I understand about foreheads, and
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  Speaker 2: especially when you're working out, your blood's pumping, your forehead
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  Speaker 2: bleeds a lot, a lot, it does, and then your
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  Speaker 2: your blood's pumping. He said, there was blood everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: You've been there, right bright, I'll tell to you because
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure Moses experienced this. You've been at the
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  Speaker 3: gym and you've done a bench press and you accidentally
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  Speaker 3: overextended yourself and you're stuck with the with the bar
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  Speaker 3: and you can't move and you're begging for help.
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  Speaker 2: That that slow drop as it continues to come back
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  Speaker 2: down to earth, and you're like, there's nothing I can
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  Speaker 2: do here, and.
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  Speaker 3: There's it's not going back up. And now you're now
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  Speaker 3: you're looking around and you're like, Okay, what do I do?
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  Speaker 3: And because you might it's not coming up.
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  Speaker 2: It's not help though. I'm not looking around for help.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking around in embarrassment. I hope nobody sees this.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they see it, because they see it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: One option, it drops on your chest and you do
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  Speaker 2: the slow roll all the way down to like your
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  Speaker 2: belly and then you have to sit up like it's
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  Speaker 2: it's miserable. It's terrible. But yes, I've been there before
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  Speaker 2: many times, because what am I gonna do? Ask for
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  Speaker 2: a spotter like a baby.
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  Speaker 4: You know motion.
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  Speaker 3: It would be like you when you're you know, picking
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  Speaker 3: up a big burrito at the gas station and it's
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  Speaker 3: it's all over the place and you need help because
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  Speaker 3: it's falling. It's it's one of those big gas station burritos.
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  Speaker 3: You can't control it.
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  Speaker 5: And I said during the game the other day, Craig Bruby,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, was a tough, tough, tough hockey player.
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  Speaker 4: He's a tough guy. That looks horrible.
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  Speaker 5: I said, it looked like he got booted in the
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  Speaker 5: head by a Clydesdale.
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  Speaker 2: It just.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he just it. It was an accident. It's tough.
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  Speaker 5: He's a tough guy.
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  Speaker 4: You know something.
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  Speaker 5: Nah, when I'm not gonna talk Maple Leafs hockey, but
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  Speaker 5: something's weird with that club. I think the makeup of
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  Speaker 5: that team, even though they have very good players, I
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  Speaker 5: think the makeup is kind of funky donkey.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my own opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of injuries, we welcome a g again to
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  Speaker 2: the re evaluated in four to six weeks.
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  Speaker 4: This is a problem. This is a problem. Do you
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  Speaker 4: think now?
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  Speaker 5: Let me let me, let me get serious about this.
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  Speaker 5: This feels like something that is I don't know that
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  Speaker 5: this goes away. What is up with his hamstring? What
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  Speaker 5: is happening with the hammy? And shut him down to
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  Speaker 5: the postseason for all I care, because this is a problem.
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  Speaker 3: You could see it on his face. He is concerned
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  Speaker 3: and he is very disappointed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And if you know Aaron Gordon, he's been working his
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  Speaker 3: ass off to get back. And sometimes you work so
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  Speaker 3: hard to get back and you feel fine, and then
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  Speaker 3: the same thing happens time and time again.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: And this is why I go back to injury luck.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what you do here. I don't when
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  Speaker 3: it happens three times now, these are three strained hamstrings
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  Speaker 3: in eight months. Yeah, Okay, three. Yeah, sure, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how you fix it. I don't know if there
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  Speaker 3: is a fix. And I'm sure there are a lot
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  Speaker 3: of folks in physical therapy that listen to this show.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor listening to this show. I asked around, I really did.
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  Speaker 3: I did my due diligence yesterday. Anybody who's been through
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  Speaker 3: muscle pools, muscle strains, you get to a certain age
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  Speaker 3: and it becomes it's more touchy. It happens a lot.
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  Speaker 3: The muscles just don't respond. They're not as flexible, they're
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  Speaker 3: not as elastic. And I don't know what he does here,
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  Speaker 3: because my worry for for Aaron. He's gonna work to
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  Speaker 3: get back.
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  Speaker 2: All right, four to six weeks, we'll be back.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna be watching every game just every time he runs, right,
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna be like that, sure, And that's just human nature. Now,
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  Speaker 3: even if.
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  Speaker 4: He's healthy for the playoffs, let's go back.
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  Speaker 5: I rest doesn't seem to even work because this happened
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  Speaker 5: last season, and we saw him limp through the postseason
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  Speaker 5: and then.
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  Speaker 2: Early this season and feels good.
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  Speaker 5: Then he feels good, then he comes back, then he
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  Speaker 5: reinjures it, then he's out. You know, seven weeks and
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  Speaker 5: then he comes back and he looks good and he
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  Speaker 5: reinjures it. Now will reevaluate it again in four to
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  Speaker 5: six weeks. I mean, this is a year long thing.
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  Speaker 5: This is not good.
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  Speaker 4: Vic.
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  Speaker 3: You know you're gonna get these texts and again. CJ
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  Speaker 3: writes and Aaron Gordon never heard of stretching.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think. I know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he has.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, Yeah, I don't know if you're joking, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you're just being Do you understand the amount
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  Speaker 3: of work these guys put in to try to prevent
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  Speaker 3: these injuries. And I've seen it. I mean, they go
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  Speaker 3: all day rehab. It's not like us, Hey I pull Miami.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna chill for three weeks. They're working to
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  Speaker 3: prevent it.
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  Speaker 4: Again.
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  Speaker 3: They're doing everything they can. I mean, they're doing science
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  Speaker 3: type stuff, and it keeps happening.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't I don't think look any measure they
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  Speaker 2: could take to prevent this for him, especially now that
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  Speaker 2: it seems to be more of a chronic issue, they're
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  Speaker 2: probably doing it. I think it's just maybe that's how
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  Speaker 2: it is. And you're just gonna hold your breath every
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  Speaker 2: time that this guy takes off and goes on a
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  Speaker 2: full sprint like maybe.
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  Speaker 3: I would other have. If you give me a choice,
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  Speaker 3: would you rather have a broken ankle or something like this,
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  Speaker 3: I'd rather break an.
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  Speaker 2: Ankle well on the bone, heels and heels exactly right.
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  Speaker 4: Buy a million, buy a milik.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I break a finger, break an ankle, break my face,
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  Speaker 3: break my face, yeah, barub me if you want. But
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  Speaker 3: when you start having chronic muscle pulls, the body, makeup,
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  Speaker 3: your gait, the way you walk, all everything's impacting it,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't know how you fix it, and it
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  Speaker 3: really right, it really scares me because do you know
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  Speaker 3: that the Denver Nuggets. I'm looking at this team right now,
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  Speaker 3: and here they are third place in the West half second. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they're moseying along. They've won seven of their last ten,
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  Speaker 3: playing good basketball, right, and they're doing it with whoever's available.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know that the starting five that they open
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  Speaker 3: the season with, those starters that we haven't seen forever,
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  Speaker 3: they won eight of their first ten games, or eight
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  Speaker 3: and two is the starting five?
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  Speaker 4: Eight and two?
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  Speaker 3: That's pretty good, right, eight and two. We haven't seen
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  Speaker 3: them since November.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Well, Adam and gave an update by the way,
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  Speaker 2: uh with PhD on Yokic.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he's.
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  Speaker 6: Progressing at a positive rate. I would hope that he
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  Speaker 6: plays before the All Star break. The hope is outside
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  Speaker 6: of Aaron, who's obviously going to be out for a while,
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  Speaker 6: those other guys, the goal is to see them all
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  Speaker 6: play before that break hits. When they do come back,
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  Speaker 6: they're gonna be on restrictions. It'll be a math problem
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  Speaker 6: that I have to figure out.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, that's part of it. But you just
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  Speaker 2: want to You want to see this team as close
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  Speaker 2: as they can get to healthy. Know with ag being out,
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  Speaker 2: you know that reevaluated four to six weeks. Thing again,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, they also followed up set is Yokic
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  Speaker 2: going to the All Star Game? Will Joker go to
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  Speaker 2: the All Star Game?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we'll go to the All Star Game.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the gotcha gotchach?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, Joker take take a couple of days off. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: isn't that like, man, do you have to go to
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  Speaker 2: the All Star Game even if you're hurt? Is that
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  Speaker 2: part of the thing?
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  Speaker 4: I think I think it is. I mean, they they are.
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  Speaker 2: So this isn't the Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl. It's not
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  Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl, bro, but where they ask somebody, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you're a Pro Bowl or how does that feel? It
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  Speaker 2: feels like my back hurts?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what it feels like?
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  Speaker 4: Actually? Well, when was a free trip to Hawaii for
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  Speaker 4: you and your family? That was one thing.
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  Speaker 5: Going to Santa Clair and hanging with Vic kind of sucks.
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  Speaker 5: So no offense, but but uh hope, yeah, no offense. No,
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  Speaker 5: But but in all seriousness, Vic, six weeks from now
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  Speaker 5: is somewhere in.
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  Speaker 4: March, March, early March.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what you have to do, and I
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  Speaker 5: don't know how long you can shut him down. Maybe
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  Speaker 5: you shut him down and give him a couple of
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  Speaker 5: games before the regular I mean, he's going to be
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  Speaker 5: reevaluated in four to six, not playing reevaluated.
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  Speaker 3: It's not It's not only that, guys, it's when you're
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  Speaker 3: missing a piece, right, a very essential piece. It applies
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  Speaker 3: pressure on the guys around him, and who knows if
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  Speaker 3: they can stay healthy. Because now what happens is all right,
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  Speaker 3: Peyton Watson, as soon as other guys come back, Peyton
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  Speaker 3: Watson is gonna fill that role left behind by Iron Gordon. Right, Well, yes,
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  Speaker 3: he's getting a lot of minutes right now, Well, how
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  Speaker 3: does that affect him down the line.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's he's also not really a four either.
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  Speaker 3: He's not. He's not. It's a chain of events that's
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  Speaker 3: taking place that you just don't you want health. Man,
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  Speaker 3: When health is a parent and you have a healthy
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  Speaker 3: team and you're ready to roll, everything feels great, you
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  Speaker 3: can make do. But you can't fix this. You can't.
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  Speaker 5: You know, again, I go back to the abs, and
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  Speaker 5: it's not I mean, you're missing the guys. You're missing
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  Speaker 5: the leadership, you're missing the communess, you're missing all of that.
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  Speaker 5: But you also you put guys in positions that they're
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  Speaker 5: not designed for or not completely designed for. So now
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  Speaker 5: you're trying to patch here and elevate here and so on,
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  Speaker 5: and it's just off a little bit, and then you
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  Speaker 5: lose your mode. Things compound the fact that the Nuggets
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  Speaker 5: are doing what they're doing, you know, and Jamal Murray's
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  Speaker 5: having an all star type of year, it's kind of
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  Speaker 5: phenomenal when you think about it. It really is, Brett.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is really uh, it's really an awesome thing.
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  Speaker 5: You Now, Also, by the way, when when do we
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  Speaker 5: find out that Jamal gets his All Star Not when
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  Speaker 5: is that half Sunday should be any time.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Sunday, it'll be broadcast.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get on it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, just on the Pecock. Oh listen, find your
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  Speaker 5: peeps of the Pecock. Let's get the inside, do open.
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  Speaker 5: Let's get this over with. Because the guy's an All Star.
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  Speaker 5: He's kicking major butt.
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  Speaker 3: You know what. What saddens me about that, And it's
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  Speaker 3: not sad, I misused that word. What irritates me is
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  Speaker 3: that the Nuggets were somewhat healthy if they didn't have
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  Speaker 3: this rash of injuries. If you look at the standings,
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  Speaker 3: Oklahoma City lost again last night, they lost in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: They're beatable, guys. They're not that team that opened the
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  Speaker 3: season like, oh my god. They're beatable. Sure, and we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna get our first look at OKAC Sunday night. The
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  Speaker 3: unfortunate part about it is not gonna have your full
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  Speaker 3: staff to contend against them. You're just not.
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  Speaker 5: It's gonna be hard to break. Judge to yourself a favorite.
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  Speaker 5: Go to your text line real quick.
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  Speaker 4: Yeh, look at the text from Loretta Seanya again.
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  Speaker 3: I mean she's right, Yeah, she's right. And because because
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  Speaker 3: they're playing poorly doesn't mean you you are excused to
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  Speaker 3: come in and act like a jerk on this show
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  Speaker 3: like you have all week?
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  Speaker 2: What beef do you have with Loretta's text? She's correct,
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  Speaker 2: that's what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, why why don't you like the truth?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 3: When the Nuggets play like crap, I say it. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not afraid.
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  Speaker 4: I have.
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  Speaker 5: I have absolutely no problem saying it. They are not
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  Speaker 5: playing well, so.
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  Speaker 3: What's the problem.
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  Speaker 4: They'll fix it.
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  Speaker 3: They're fine, They're gonna be fine. So what you're doing,
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  Speaker 3: I'm fine.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like that woman's attitude. I just don't. I
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  Speaker 4: don't appreciate it at all.
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  Speaker 3: Well, how would she how would you like her to
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  Speaker 3: issue that statement? What's what's a proper sentiment that makes
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  Speaker 3: you feel good about the Abs right now? How should
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  Speaker 3: she put it?
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  Speaker 2: The Abs are not playing well, but most looks so
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  Speaker 2: handsome on teeth them?
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  Speaker 4: Is that what you want?
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  Speaker 2: Don't you want?
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  Speaker 4: You know what? I don't know what I want. I
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  Speaker 4: just don't want that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, sounds like an easy man to please. Uh
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  Speaker 2: three oh three, five oh four oh nine two five.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Vic had a chance to chat with MPG.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to that a little bit later in the program,
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  Speaker 2: but there is going to be a decision now. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's a good problem to have, but it is a
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  Speaker 2: problem with the Broncos in their secondary I'll get to
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  Speaker 2: it next Tune.
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  Speaker 4: In on next week.
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  Speaker 2: VIC is live from Rady a Row in San Francisco
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  Speaker 2: thanks to Groove Toyota. Start here, go anywhere on Broadway
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  Speaker 2: in Englewood or online at groovetoyota dot com. So this
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  Speaker 2: isn't an issue, This isn't a problem. In fact, it's
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: a good problem to have, but it's a problem. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 2: there are almost everybody that you wanted on this Broncos
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  Speaker 2: roster that you consider key in core pieces to your success.
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  Speaker 2: Most are under contract long term. Find the names, you're certains,
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  Speaker 2: your Bullses, your Zach Allen's, you'r all the different people
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  Speaker 2: benitos that you think are essential to success or under contract.
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  Speaker 2: There's just a couple that aren't. One is John Franklin Myers,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens with that. But here's the other,
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  Speaker 2: and this is an interesting case. Jake Kwan McMillan, who
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  Speaker 2: I think played his ass off this year and has
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  Speaker 2: every year here in Denver. This was George Payton a
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  Speaker 2: few days ago talking about he's an RFA, but talking
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  Speaker 2: about ja Quon great story.
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  Speaker 4: You know, j Mack.
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  Speaker 7: We got him as a college free agent and I
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  Speaker 7: remember his first year. We started him outside against the
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  Speaker 7: Chargers in the last game of year and I'm just like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 7: you know, he's five nine, he's going to play outside
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  Speaker 7: against his receivers. And he played a great game, and
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  Speaker 7: You're like, Wow, maybe we have something here. And then
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  Speaker 7: he's just gotten better run game, pass game. You know,
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  Speaker 7: We're going to work through that as a staff in
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  Speaker 7: that deep dive and kind of go through that and
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  Speaker 7: just keep that in house.
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  Speaker 2: So what's the problem. Here's the problem. If they signed
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  Speaker 2: Jakuon back, great, he's a great player who played really well,
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  Speaker 2: who's a hard worker, and he goes one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ten percent every snap. So does Johnny Barron just sit
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  Speaker 2: on the shelf for another year?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you have an excess in the secondary. There's nothing
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  Speaker 3: wrong with having too many players. I guess if you
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  Speaker 3: can afford him. You know that John A. Barron is
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  Speaker 3: on a he's on a rookie contract, So it's not
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: as bad as holding on to somebody that's high priced.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: It's funny because when you mentioned McMillan and we talk
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: about his background, how he's undrafted and all this, you're
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: not in the AFC title Game without him, No, you're not.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: He has something that a lot of players find it
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: takes years to possess. He has a clutch gene about him.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: He has the defensive back with the clutch gene. We've
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: seen it several times now, him making big plays late. Dude,
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: you do whatever you can hold on to Jaquan McMillan.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I agree, I totally agree. But it makes the choice
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: of Johnny Baron even more confusing then that we're gonna
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: go a second year of a guy who's drafted twentieth
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: overall that can't get on the field. And the reasoning
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: isn't that the guy stinks. None of them think that.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: They think he's good, but he just can't get on
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: the field.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: But is it the sort of the best case scenario though?
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, just because you draft a guy and you
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: can't get on the field, it's it's not because that
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: guy sucks, It's because the guy in front of him
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: is playing so damn well, that's a best case scenario.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I think, like I said, it's a good problem to have,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: but I do think it's a problem. Nonetheless, I'll give you,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: like I know, it's not in apples to apples thing.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: You know who faced this a similar situation last year
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: was Minnesota when they had Sam Darnold and they drafted
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy and they looked at the situation. They said,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: we just drafted this guy. Well was he eleventh overall?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Something tenth? And they said, are we really going to
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: sign a quarterback to a long term contract where he
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: can't get on the field? Then what are we doing?
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Why did we make the choice? So they decided we'll
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: let Sam Donald walk and now Sam Donald's in the
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. In Minnesota's offense stunk. It's just it's a
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: weird situation to be and is all I'm saying. But
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: I think Jake Onon McMillan, if you don't bring him back,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I think he'd be foolish. He's really good.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I think if you had to read visit last year's draft,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: if they had to do it all over again now,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: they probably would have taken an offensive player, likely or
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: running back. But hey, again, injuries happen. Things happen. It's
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: okay to have excess talent, it really is.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, don't you want to keep it together as
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: much as possible? Though?
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Isn't that the idea on that side of the football.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: I think you need to get better on the other
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: side of the football, But isn't isn't the idea that
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: you just try to keep it together as much as
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: you possibly can. And I'm not saying just run it back.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: But this guy is a player. This guy's a really
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: good player, you.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Know what I mean? And I don't know.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: I would do all I can to try and make
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: it happen. That's what I would do.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: And I think people are like misunderstanding this. They're saying,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: what's wrong with depth? There's nothing wrong with depth, But
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: you don't draft somebody twentieth overall to be your fourth
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: corner on the team, is all I'm saying.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not use him right, that's although you know, but again,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: maybe if if you're talking about Jaday and his ability,
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: maybe he's getting better and better and you can afford
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: to spend that money elsewhere to improve the other side
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: of the football. It would seem to me if you're
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: gonna use a first round pick on a guy. Eventually,
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: he has to play, even if you like the guys
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: in front of him.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it. Now,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: there's also a lot of these coming here cheap him
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: and trade Riley Moss. I, I guess this is just
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: gonna be a HILLI diet. There's always one guy for
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: each team, you know, with Porter for all those years
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: with the Nuggets, it's Sammy g with the Avs, and
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I guess it's.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Gonna be Will Barton.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Well, no, the guys that I defend who catch grief
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: all the time, Riley Moss is gonna be the guy
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: for me. Now it has to be. I just I
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: really don't think that you guys understand how difficult the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: job is that he has to do every week, and
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: how well he did it. I don't think you guys
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: get it. Riley Moss was like, forget, not even close
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: to bad. He was really good, really good. He had
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: moments in which he got caught a little too handsy. Fine,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Riley Moss is an incredibly good and capable corner that
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: you don't just automatically replace with somebody.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what you put any other corner on
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: that other side of certain, Go ahead, anybody.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: I don't care who it is. Most we watched guy.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: That guy is going to get picked on, and that
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: guy is going to have some pis, and that guy
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: is gonna give up some plays, and that guy is
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: gonna make some plays. I mean, Riley Moss ain't a problem.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: He's not anybody's problem. I'm sorry.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: How many different aj bouyets?
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: And who are some.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Of the other corners that played opposite certain was boo yay?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: And who's the other guy that hurt a lot too?
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: How many years ago?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Just like three four three four years ago? Because they
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: tried over and over and over again, Fabian Moros and
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: and all these different guys. How many of those did
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: you see before Riley Moss was Themari Mathis? They tried
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: that for a second, how many different guys?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Dude, the secondary's fine, This is not an issue. I mean,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I'm wasting our time talking about that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Oh no, but Vick, Vick, I hate when people talk
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: about Riley Moss as if he's just some expendable guy
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: you can get rid of and replace.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Everyone's got to have a piece of pinata to bang on.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Ronald Darby was the other guy's thinking about. Yeah, Ronald,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Ronald Darby was a guy. That's correct. Darby the the issue.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: For the Broncos right now, and it's not even an issue,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: it's it's certainly it perks your ears when you hear
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: how many coaches, how much change for a team that
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: went to the AFC title game in the coaching ranks. Now,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: a fourth coach is out. If you missed it, Pete Cunningham,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Pete Carmichael, I'm sorry, Pete Carmichael reaching a long time
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Sean Payton lieutenant is headed to Buffalo to become their
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: OC under Joe Brady. So this guy wasn't forced out,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: but he's out. That's four guys. That's four coaches off
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: an AFC title team, AFC title contender.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: You know, I've seen people bring this up by the way.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, if you don't think coordinators matter, then
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: look what happened to Dan Campbell and Detroit. Dan Campbell
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: wasn't calling plays on offense though he lost his play caller,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Tehn Payton's play caller. Now, those guys help game plan
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: and they help set the table for the week. That
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: part's understood. But it's it's a lot of guys that
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you're missing. But when you're a great team, doesn't this
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: happen every year? Isn't this just part of it? When
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: your team's good guys get poached, you lose coaches. That
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: happens now. Now firing guys is a little different, like
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: you did at least offensively with Kerry Colbert and Joe Lombardy.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: That's a little bit different.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: But.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: It's still I think the biggest question to this offseason
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: as far as the coaching ranks go is, I'm being honest,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: it's not even who the offensive coordinator is going to be.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It's what's the responsibility of the guy who gets the job.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Who's the play caller?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that will be the question. If it's Davis West season,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: does he get the play sheet?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Who will make the call on fourth and short? Who
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: ultimately will make that call. We have seen examples of
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: long time successful coaches who have decided to pass it
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: down to somebody else. We've seen it, yep. Now there
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: are still some who decide, like Andy Reid. I can't
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: imagine Andy Reid not calling the place. Sure, I can't
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: imagine that. Sean mcvayh not calling.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: The place, right. Well, he's still a young guy, I know.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: But I'm just saying it's hard to image that.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: It's hard to imagine Kyle Shanahan not calling the place.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: But we have seen history dictate that guys who have
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: done it for a while.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Give it up.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: It's gonna be hard for me to imagine Sean Payton
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: giving up that that duty and not on game day going.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, he want me to do you want to
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: just step aside for a second and try and cast
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: don't don't consider the AFC Championship game for just give
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: me one. Do you want to see him not call plays?
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: No? I don't me too.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: The way that the way that questions phrase, I'm confused.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: You're right, double negative?
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Do you want to be continue to call plays? Yeah?
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Would you like to see to the Broncos continue to
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: be the play caller on game day?
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: I would? Yes. I think he's a great offensive mind.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. I can't. I don't think
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: he'd be the man he is the coach he is
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: without that, I think it's I think it's wasteful. Now,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: can he change the way he calls certain things? Can
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: he have some people with more advice behind him, Can
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: he can he have some fresh ideas that he could
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: sprinkle in. Maybe yeah, But I think the ultimate play
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: callers should be him.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I do. I think more than that, Vic. I appreciate
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: what Sean Payton has done in the way he's gone
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: about building this team. He's been very unselfish in that
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: approach of focusing on things that as an offensive coordinator
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: you'd probably want some playmakers, and he's pushed that away
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to make sure to fortify the defense and the offensive
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: line and defensive line and all that. I want him
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to be selfish this year. Go out and be aggressive
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: in acquiring real and actual talent, and then call the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: plays again and let me see if that changes things.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Sean Payton's not a dummy, Okay, he's not. He's not
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: bad at play calling. He's not bad as an offensive mind.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: But there have been things that have been lacking. And
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I think part of that has to do with I
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: don't know how talented you are at the skill position
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: area on your team right now. It feels like you've
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: been trying to make do with a whole bunch of
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: guys who are okay.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: I look at Bill parcels, and everybody knows that he
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: gave it up late and he became more of just
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: kind of the the overall seer of his football team.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: But I don't know that Sean Payton is wired that way.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know that he I don't know that he
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: has the ability to step back and just stand there
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: while somebody else tells his quarterback what to do on
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: any given play.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know that that's in his DNA.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: And if somebody look, whether he's having an epiphany or
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: somebody is talking in his ear, I don't know. But
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: I just I don't. I don't feel great about it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: I don't you feel great about any of this. For
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: some reason, for some reason, all of this comes.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Forget about what what is this? What do you mean?
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Well, just everything that's going on with the bon Nick's
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: teleconference and Peyton's thing and you know web interview, I
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: just and the guys getting their own jobs. To me,
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: it just it feels something feels off just a little bit.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: My spidy senses up a tiny bit and it's probably nothing.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: It probably is.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: But for some reason, Vic I got this spidy sense
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: right now, that's like, you know something is just off
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: a little bit. I mean, everybody's disappointed with what happened,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: and they should be. But you made it to the
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: AFC Title game, is the number one seed, and you
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: pulled a lot of rabbits out of your hat.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: It's a good thing.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Why do I feel a little bit uneasy about the
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: way this offseason is already going well?
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Because the magical ride came crashing down, and it came
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: crashing down the minute Bonnicks got hurt, and it sucks.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: And we're trying to rationalize things. We're trying to make do.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: We're trying to there are so many things that happen
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: that make you shake your head that you don't know
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: what to do, you don't know how to process it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Here's what's weird, though, And I'm not saying I agree
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: with Mosha that things feel weird, but there is a
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: weird sense around this that if bo Nicks plays in
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: that AFC Title Game, you go to the Super Bowl?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Do we agree? If you give me the they're more
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: likely than not.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: How about Yeah, if you give me the exact same circumstances,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: the weather stays the same, everything stays the same. There's
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: no doubt in my mind that Broncos aren't in the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: They also aren't gonna win that game thirty to ten
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: because they've never done that. They their offense. If you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: had to give the offense a grade, take everything into account.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I think things got confused because bo Nicks was so
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: good when it mattered, especially late in the season. Overall
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: grade for the offense over the course of this year
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: is at best.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: To see, right, I'd even give it a B minus,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: would you.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I guess there was a lot of bad offensive football.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: You went fourteen and three, But how do you give
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: somebody a CEE if it's fourteen and three?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: This is my point though, This is my point is
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: that they were good for minutes majority of games. Almost
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: every week. The offense was mostly bad, mostly until they
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: had to be good, and then they were. And that's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: what confuses this. This is why offensive guys got fired
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: at the end of the year. Like I really think,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: it's at best a C man.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: You know, when you have a great defense, you have
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: a chance to win any game you play. Exactly I'm
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: watching last nights. They played it. They replayed it for
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: those I don't know how I fell upon it, but
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I'm watching the replay of Super Bowl forty eight, because
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: largely that game is gone in my record books my
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: mind is because I stopped paying attention halfway through that
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: damn game. It was a blowout. But I actually rewatched
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: it last night with interest, like, oh, yeah, I remember
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: that play. Seattle just dominated the most electric offense in
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: the NFL. Then, yeah, they took that offense and made
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: them cry. Essentially, it was their defense that won that game,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: and that's why had the Broncos advanced. I know, Seattle's
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: got a great defense. I get it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: You got a chance, man, you got a chance. I
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: think I still think if I had to pick a
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: probably picked Seattle to the way, but.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: They'd been the favorite by by far. Yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: But to go back to it, VIC, would you say
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: this Broncos offense currently constituted talent wise, is that in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the top sixteen in the NFL.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: No, I put right in the middle of the pack.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: They need a run game. They don't have a run game.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're closer to about twenty. There's a
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: lot of different offenses that I.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Can't argue that. I can't argue that, and so.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, to me, find the requisite talent that you
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: found on defense? You have all pros on defense and
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Nick Benito and patzer T and Zach Allen and all
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: these different guys. How many do you have on offense?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess two guys are up. Ironically, they
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: just saw this article. They have a new award this year.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Do you guys see this. It's called Protector of the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Year that the NFL is doing. And the Broncoes, out
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: of the five candidates, have two of them. Quinn Miners
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and Garrett Boules are up for Protector of the Year.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Their offensive lines at least at least okay, but you
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: don't have how many all pros are there outside of
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: that tight end, wide receiver, running.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Back, playmakers?
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not there. That's what they need. They
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: need them.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: In the playoffs, the Broncos best playmaker was Marvin Mims.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Or Bow.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: And that's what it's the reason why I think they
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: win that game with Bow. But would at least run
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: if given that opportunity in that game.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So I can make an argument if you fix the
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: run game and get a competent run game, Bo doesn't
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: get as injured as he does. He doesn't have to
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: do what he did in that game. He doesn't have
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: to run off all the time. Hand it off.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Sure, a lot more to get to here. Chad Brown's
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: going to join us at nine o'clock three oh three,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: five four nine two five. Uh the Avs. Is this
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a blip on the radar or is this an actual
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: concern with how they played lately? We get to it
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: next time.
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: Oh, we played better tonight for sure, no question. More competitive,
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: more involved in the game, more intensity. That's part of it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: That's where the game starts. It's like a requirement if
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: you want to win. I think we had that. Didn't
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: love our game at times and at other times I
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: liked it, but I was having trouble putting the puck
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: in the net. We're having trouble keeping it out of
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: our net right now too.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Ben.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: In the post game, the Apps still seven points up
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: on Minnesota with three games in hand. They have a
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: big cushion. But you don't want to lose the cushion.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: They've just been playing really poor hockey lately, especially over
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the last handful of games.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Now, the question to dunk you break it. You don't
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: want to dunk the cushion away.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Sure, The question is is this just a blip on
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the radar, or is is something that has you concern
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: longer term? Now? The benefit to this is, all right,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you're playing really poor hockey. Now you're gonna have a
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: break here in a few days. You have three more
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: games until you have the Olympic break where you're off
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: for three weeks. Can serve as sort of a reset,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: get some guys healthy, all that different stuff. But there
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: are there's one thing in particular that still has me concerned.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: But mos right now blip on the radar or longer
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: term concern?
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: Well, you know me, I think it's a blip on
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: the radar. I know this hockey club and I know
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: how good they are, and I know that when they're
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: right that the best team in the National Hockey League
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: right now. The one thing you cannot do.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Is vick. You know this as well as anybody.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: You cannot manufacture emotion or cannot or desperation you can't.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: And the teams they're playing right now, Ottawa was a
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: desperate hockey club. Montreal is playing great hockey and you
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: know how good did their goalie play last night?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: He was good?
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Talk about Montreal, talking about Yakub Doobish right, it was good,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: pretty good, made some really big good saves. He's been
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: not good. He's given up three per he's got a
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: same percentage at like you know, eight and ninety. I
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: mean not great. Yet these teams get amped. I mean
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: the Avs are gonna face that all the time, and
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: you know what, tough, You're gonna have to turn it
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: back on. You're going to have to now again, they're
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: dealing with two Olympians out of the lineup right now,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: including your captain. And what have they done with Gabelandiskoggan
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Devon teams in the lineup. Yeah, they've kicked some major ass, right.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: So those games, most like the Vegas game at Vegas
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: a few weeks ago, the Carolina game. I remember when
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: they're down and you're like, okay, you could let go
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: of the rope. You're gonna lose this game. And somehow
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: they battled back and found a way to win those
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: kind of games. That's the desperation that is hard to
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: manufacture when you're this good. It's hard. It's hard, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: that part is I think lacking right now.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Right, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: suffer fools this morning. Just texted Chris on the text line,
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: what does my hat say?
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Boys?
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Freedom Service Dogs of America.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: Everybody thinks this is a Dallas Stars hat. Oh okay,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: it's a Freedom Service Dogs hat.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I doubt the Avs play by play guy would be
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: wearing a Dallas Stars hat.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Got people? You know what?
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: I just I swear to God Vic. Yeah, now I
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: get to go to Detroit. Where's that's really The.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Play by play guy is also for the second straight
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: morning showing off his Barbie Doll bed.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: That's a problem.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a real problem. No, listen, Brett. In all honesty,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: they're they're in a rut. You can't manufacture the emotion.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: It's looking awful, it's behaving awful. I just it's not
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: great again. It all started the Avs had won ten
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: in a row. Do you recall that somebody go, hey,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: by the way motion, since you're a cince, your song,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: oh the Eves have stunk. Well, the song came out,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: and I don't want to hear it from you, my
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: other band, I don't want to hear it from you.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: When the song came out.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: You're not in this band anymore.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: You're good, Get good?
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Great, I'll win my own Grammys. When the song came out,
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: the Abs won ten in a row, dip holes, and
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: then Devon TAM's got hurt at Carolina and then Landiskod
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: got hurt at Florida, and since then it's been a
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: struggle bus. Okay, so everybody's calmed down. They've built up.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: This is why you jump out of the gate so
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: hard and so well. They're gonna be fine, but they've
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: got to fix some things. You must keep grinding until
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: you fix it. You've got the requisite talent, you've got
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: the requisite experience, you've got the requisite coaching staff.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: You've got it, Go do it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: There's a few different details, like I think, just overall
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: taking this holistically, an eighty two game season is a
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: long season. You're gonna have a stretch play that's not
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: up the standard, like every team goes through it. VIC,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: you just mentioned it with OKC. Are the Thunder a
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: good basketball team? Hell, yes they are. They're having a
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: bad stretch. Fine, that happens, especially with these injuries. Like,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: no disrespect to the guy Moses. I think that he's
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: he's a really nice guy. Middleton, that game just doesn't
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: fit with the way the Avs play, it seems like
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: it seems very mcdermody to me, where it's like very
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: he's a big, physical guy but just can't skate like
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: most guys can. Like I don't know what happened behind
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the net when Wedgwood was like kind of trying to
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: make a play and then got caught and then whatever.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But overall I think they're fine. There is one major, major, major,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: major concern, like one that I think can bite them
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: in the butt bad enough to where these ultimate goals
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: that you have with how good this team is hoisting
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: another Stanley Cup, if you can't get this power play
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: below average, forget like good there, it's terrible right now
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: if they can't get to just below average because you
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: aren't just not scoring because the joke used to be
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Moses Hey. At worst, what happens when the Avs going
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the power play, it's two minutes that the other team
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: just doesn't score. Well, they're scoring on you now when
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: you have a man advantage. That's their ninth short handed
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: goal that they gave up last night.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: It's by far the worst in the National Hockey League.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: That's the stuff where I'm like, in a seven game series,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: how talented. They are that can get you beat when
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: you can't produce on the power play and things get
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: tighter in the Postseuson's a.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Question, has a team with the worst power play ever
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: won a Stanley Cup.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: I don't think so, Vick, not that I know of.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: They got some work to do here in the stretch right.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Let me, do you want to go through some of
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: the stuff last night? I mean, every game looks different.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Let's talk about that short handed goal. Oliver Cappenan, by
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: the way, is an Olympian for Team Finland. They're on
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: the PK and he throws it in the middle of
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: the air to center ice, that blank and blanken puck. Nellie,
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: give me a bleep, please, you have gotta you got
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: a bleep on hand? That that mother puck puck lands
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: and skids right into the stride of Nick's zuki. Now
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: he made a great play. I want you to I
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: want here's what I want you to do, Brett. And
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm not making an excuse, but you
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: tell cal mccarr that he's lazy getting back on d
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: or that he blew the play or what And maybe
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: he did, But I mean you're like, you gotta be
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: kidding me. Kappana just flips it out in mid air
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: and Suzuki takes off its skids right into his stride
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: for a breakaway. Come on, man, the Jake Evans play
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: that made it four to one. Wedgwood's gonna play the
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: puck and Burns rightfully, so backs off just a tiny
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: bit on Jake Evans because Wedgewood's gonna play the puck
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: off the inboards. The puck hits the nd boards and
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: gets airborne over his paddle, right, so Burns is not
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: gonna try to play got jeah blah blah, wrap around
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: to an empty net.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: You gotta be kidding me.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Kirby Doc is behind the net, Brett. He throws it off.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: It's actually a terrible play. He throws it off the side.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Of the net.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: It hits, It hits the side of the net, hits
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: Manson in the skate and butterflies over wedgewood skate that
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: which is most connected to the post. I mean, but
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying that, like when it rains, I'm no excuses, Vick.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: They gave up seven damn goals.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: You're right, but you know I.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Got an answer. I got an answer for you, real
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: quick play. I went to AI. The worst power play
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: percentage team to win a Stanley Cup, at least in
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: recent memory, the Boston Bruins when they won in twenty
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: ten twenty eleven season. They're at sixteen point one over
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the regular set.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: That's about where the Abs are right.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Now, the twentieth in the league, fifteen point eight and
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: sixteen point five.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: All year long, it's not been good at all.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Ironically, the Kings the year afterwards had a seventeen percent.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: The Blackhawks the year after that were at sixteen point seven.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean they stopped the Blues in eighteen. Yeah. Look,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm a little bit frustrated by it too.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: And I don't know what vic.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: I wish I had an opportunity to tell you right
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: now what's going on. But it's everything on the power play.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: On some power plays they can't get set up. On
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: some they don't shoot the puck enough. On some where
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: they get five shots on goal and a single power
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: play just some random goalie who you wouldn't know if
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: he hit you in the face with ten pounds of meat,
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: is making sprawling, diving knob saves with his stick. I mean,
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: it's it's everything all the time, and when it ain't working, bro,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: it ain't worth.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Those are the mysteries of good teams that have a face.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: You know what a knob save is? Do you know
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: what anob save is? Vic? Do you know what a
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: knob is?
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at one. I know what a knob save is, too.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, do you know what?
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Okay, I mean, dude, what three four games ago, dude
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: makes a knob save that hits the knob of his.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Stick, hits the underside of the cross.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna use the card that you're coping right now.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: You're right, you're serious.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Just yet, Get me to the Olympic break. Get me
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: to the Olympic break a party, get me there.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're coping the way we were after
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: that Broncos game. Oh yeah, how how is it possible?
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Quarterbacks going backwards? If the guy hits the gap, it's
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: a thirty yard game. Or if he turns his body,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: it's not a backwards pass. I mean, you're doing this,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: You're replaying certain moments and it's killing you. I can
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: feel it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: It's killing him. Yeah, it is you happy?
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not. I mean I don't like to see you upset.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: What are you laughing at? Powder?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: But just you your entire disposition this morning.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: You have a problem. You should say knob a few
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: more times, Moja. I don't think you said knob. And
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: imagine if if we were doing this show. I talk
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: about this often, and these teams both like really sucked it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: If you had that forty eight point season again, how
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: would you be able to even get through a like
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: a radio show for the for the year.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: How would you be able to do this? See my
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: see my window, I'll be doing this. Hang on.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's approaching the window, he's looking at it, he's
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: opening the window, he's looking for a crack. I'll fix it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: And then he's got a rock and he's trying to
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: go through the windows.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: So what what we've come to understand? Then you you
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: are not emotionally strong enough to do a radio chance
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and handle the avalanche.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: And now I have nothing. Yeah, you just.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Don't have the emotional wherewithal See, I never wear my
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: emotions on my sleeves. I'm the same way every morning,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: win or lose.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, you know what, go polish your golden dome
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: and then tell me about it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: How about that?
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Because all you do some of us mench what about
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame football for three weeks.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Some of us are professional. We can handle wins and losses,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: and we come to the show with a professional demeanor,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: understanding that this is sports. Wins and losses happen for
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: different reasons. Others are emotionally stuck in the undertow Vic.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: They gave up seven goal. Let me give you an
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: idea how things are going defensively for this team too,
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: because their gap control right now is poor, very poor.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: In the last two weeks, starting with a Predators game.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: What was the date of that game, Brett, Do you
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: have a calendar in front of you. Let me look
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: it up. Which games was the Predators game? January seventeenth?
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: So what's today? Oh god, my dead mom.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Well, you're talking is not going to change anything. Your
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: talk talk talk talk talk about knobs and talk talk
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: talk talk. It's okay, it's all right. There's still number,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: there's still tops in the division, there's still tops in
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: the NHL.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: You're gonna be okay.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: You're gonna be okay.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: So let me let me explain.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Don't even think about touching me let me explain how
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: it's going right now, Brett. January seventeenth, they lost at
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: home to the Predators by a final score of seven
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: to three.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's embarrassed.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Then against the Flyers they gave up seven goals. Against
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Montreal last night, they gave up seven goals. So they've
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: given up seven goals in the last thirteen days three times.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Last season they did it twice all year long. Yeah,
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: that shows you right now that everything starts and coach
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: Bednar will tell you this in the defensive end. And
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: if your defensive end ain't getting taken care of, then
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: nothing gets taken care of, including the offense.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: You're incapable of handling adversity.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's just I've explained everything to you. I
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: don't know what else to say.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Right down, nobody's asking anything. You're going off on the
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: on this nobody said anything. This segment was supposed to
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: be about Tennis.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: Brett at the start of the segment mentioned power play.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: I guess I took it from there. Hey is Chet
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: Brown coming on next?
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Good? Then I'm gonna take off and go get on
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: the bus.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Please do I tell you what the best thing you
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: can do right now, seriously, the best thing you do.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Shut off your radio, disassemble your barbie playground there behind you,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: get on that team playing, and just take a nap.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm gonna do, Man, I'm going to
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: come home, yeah, and I'm gonna get that Louisville slugger
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: that I have in the basement, and I'm driving immediately
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: to Golden Colorado and I'm gonna find you.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: And you ain't gonna like it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: I'll be at super Bowl, I'll have I'll have you
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: talking to your aunt in Italy before you know it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: All right, all right, buye mo.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Cham.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Chad Brown joins his last the emotional Child