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With Great Power #330... 22 Panels with Emily Mehr & Ryan Carey · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

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Tad Eggleston: Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome back to 22 Panels, my returning guests for at least the fourth time. I'm gonna have to, like, go look it up. I know that you've come separately at least once. I know Ryan showed up for…
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Tad Eggleston: for a regular episode, when you guys were under… completely under siege in Minneapolis.
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e joy: Yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: But I think this is… this is at least the fourth or fifth time for each of you?
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Ryan: about right.
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Tad Eggleston: And… and… and I think…
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Tad Eggleston: Feels like the fourth or fifth insert name that… that I've… that I've talked about.
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Tad Eggleston: on 22… I think the 4th.
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e joy: I think that's right.
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Tad Eggleston: I think it's the 4th, because we're not quite to 5 years, and we started in October, so I think we started after your insert name, so the first one we would have been a part of would have been…
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Tad Eggleston: the… the… 2022.
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e joy: Yup.
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Tad Eggleston: Duh.
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e joy: That was the one that we held at the Eagles Club.
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Ryan: At the last minute.
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e joy: At the last… At the last.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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e joy: And then I didn't.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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e joy: Thank you.
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Tad Eggleston: So, and I'm looking at the picture here, and you got my friend Daria Faruhar.
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Tad Eggleston: Front and center. Yeah. Thank you for connecting me with her. She's fantastic in Chicago area, and we've had her out at the comic shop that I do stuff for out here now, too.
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Tad Eggleston: I swear to God, she's gonna get her law degree and take over the world. So…
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Ryan: I hope so.
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Tad Eggleston: I do too, because… Should do a better job than a lot of.
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Ryan: Oh, God! Absolutely.
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Tad Eggleston: So, is this the… 6th or 7th insert name?
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e joy: 8.
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Tad Eggleston: 8th?
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Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow!
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Tad Eggleston: So, 8 insert names. So, my first question… Eight times around now,
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Tad Eggleston: what's the biggest thing… well, I mean, first, one of you… one of you give the basic, like…
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Tad Eggleston: what is insert name, and remind people to come and whatnot. This is one of my problems sometimes when I do multiple podcasts in a day, particularly when I know the people I'm talking to, is like, I just jump into the conversation and go, oh, wait a minute, we also want to tell people about stuff.
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Tad Eggleston: So somebody give me dates, times, locations, and what Insert Name Comics and Zines Festival is, though, to a certain extent, it…
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Tad Eggleston: describes itself. But then I… then I'm gonna ask some questions about, like,
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Tad Eggleston: organizing it, and what you know now that you'd wish you'd known 8 years ago, that sort of thing. So that's what you can start thinking in the back of your head.
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e joy: I guess I can do the telling about it. I, started Insert Name in,
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e joy: 2019, because I couldn't get… I had only been doing comics for a year, and I was just, like, really… I wanted more, like.
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e joy: comics and, like, zine stuff going on in the city, so I,
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e joy: It was only, like, 8 tables back then, and yeah, it's, Sunday, August 30th, from 12 to 6 p.m. at Odd Mart,
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e joy: in, Uptown in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
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Tad Eggleston: Specifically on Lindale Avenue.
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e joy: Yep, Lindale 25th.
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Tad Eggleston: And 8 years, so, like, my first question, like, one of my favorite questions to ask anybody who's been doing stuff for a long time, particularly things that are, like.
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Tad Eggleston: There's no… no training manual for…
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Tad Eggleston: What have you learned in the 8 years that, like, if you had the time machine and could, like, write yourself a letter.
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Tad Eggleston: Before doing the first one, you'd know… make certain that you knew
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Tad Eggleston: day one, that you're like, oh, once I realized this, it was essential.
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e joy: Mmm… I'd say just, like, don't take it so seriously, it's just a zine fest, you know?
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e joy: Like, you don't really have to worry about… I mean, there's certain things you need to worry about, but it's just like,
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e joy: Oh, also, actually, the number one thing is that it's easy… much easier doing that… doing, organizing stuff when you have
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e joy: another person or multiple people on the team, instead of just trying to do it yourself. That's actually probably the number one thing.
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Tad Eggleston: Shocking, Emily. Shocking.
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e joy: I know.
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Tad Eggleston: Asking for help works.
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e joy: Yeah, it does, and so Ryan joined the team, after.
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Tad Eggleston: That's something I have to teach my students a lot. You're like…
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Tad Eggleston: The worst that can happen when you ask for help is that they'll sell you no, and the best that can happen is it'll get a lot easier.
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e joy: Yup.
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e joy: my favorite filmmaker, John Waters, always, has this quote, a no is free. So, like… Right. Yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: You know? Which is also why, like, don't take it personally when people say no, because 9 times out of 10, it's not.
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Tad Eggleston: 9 times out of 10, if somebody says no to you, it's not because they don't like you, or because…
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Tad Eggleston: whatever, it's because… Whatever you're asking is just outside of what they can do.
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Ryan: Yeah, everybody's got their own shit going on.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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Tad Eggleston: Everybody has their own limits, everybody has their own resources and expertise, and that's the other reason that asking for help can be a huge deal. Because sometimes it's even better than splitting the labor.
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Tad Eggleston: Because you can go, oh, I'm good at this. So, yes, I'm doing half of it, but I'm doing what, for me, is the easy half. And yes, you're doing half of it, but you're doing what, for you, is the easy half.
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e joy: Yeah, last year… so they're not, organizing this year, but, I had two,
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e joy: we had 2 more people on the organizing team last year, Lo and Trina.
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e joy: And Lowe's set us up with, like, some really awesome, spreadsheets, and I am not an Excel person, so that was extremely helpful, and
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e joy: Trina also, did a bunch of organizing stuff, and Ryan, of course, is the master of fundraising, and always knows about the comics artists that maybe I don't know about, because he's always reading, so…
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Tad Eggleston: Ryan might be the only person I know who I… I… I wouldn't bet…
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Tad Eggleston: reads less comics than I do.
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Ryan: Oh, I don't read as many as you, I don't think.
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Tad Eggleston: I mean, you don't think… I think that if we started comparing, we'd be a lot closer. I think there would be way less crossover than anybody else that reads as many comics as we do.
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
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Ryan: Possible.
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Tad Eggleston: We cross over with certain small press stuff and certain independent stuff. Most of the time, when we cross over with independent stuff, it's because I read your review and went, oh, I need to read this.
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Ryan: Hey, this weekend I've been reading a DC book.
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Tad Eggleston: Which one?
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Ryan: It's, DC Western, The Hangman Never Loses.
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Tad Eggleston: Oh.
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Ryan: Yeah, it's one of those, DC's finest reprint collections.
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Ryan: of, 1970s Western stuff.
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Tad Eggleston: Okay.
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Ryan: Yeah, and it is great. Some of the art in there, I mean, you got Frank Thorne, Gil Kane, Neil Adams.
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Ryan: And it, I read it because one of the guys at TCJ, I can't remember who, it might have been Seneca or Nicholson or somebody, wrote a really long review of Son of Tomahawk, which I'd never read.
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Ryan: and said it was one of the great masterpieces of American comics that nobody knows about. And it's all… the whole Son of Tomahawk run is reprinted in,
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Ryan: this Hangman Never Loses thing, and yeah, it is pretty damn good. I don't know if I'm quite as high on it as he is, but there's other good stuff in there too, some early Jonah Heck stuff, and
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Ryan: El Diablo and The Outlaw, and it's just a lot of fun.
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Ryan: I'm not even a big Western guy too much, but this book's a lot of fun.
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Tad Eggleston: No, I'm flipping through that article right now and going, I… I… I'm just from seeing what
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Tad Eggleston: just from seeing the panels that they pulled, I'm going, okay, I might have to…
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Ryan: Yeah, it's cool.
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Tad Eggleston: Go look at this book, yeah.
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Ryan: It's absolutely gorgeous.
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Tad Eggleston: No, we did recently do,
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Tad Eggleston: on the Pulp Blotter Book Club, we went through all of Jimmy Palmiati and Justin Gray's run on Jonah Hex.
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Tad Eggleston: Which was really outstanding.
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Tad Eggleston: and had kind of a who's who of… of artists, with… with the most issues done by Jordi Bernay, but… but…
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Tad Eggleston: Like…
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Ryan: Did that book come out?
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Tad Eggleston: That was, like, just pre-New 52, so it would have been… Late 90s, early 2000s?
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Tad Eggleston: I think?
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Tad Eggleston: And Jimmy was essentially putting his editor hat on.
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Tad Eggleston: Because, you know, from his times running things at… with, Joe at Marvel.
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Tad Eggleston: He knew all sorts of artists, that sort of thing.
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Tad Eggleston: That started in 2005.
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Tad Eggleston: So it was like… 75 issues from 2005?
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Ryan: Okay. Did they…
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Tad Eggleston: Oh.
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Ryan: 252, Jonah Hex.
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Tad Eggleston: They did, but they kind of wound up rolling it into the DC Universe, and it was even Jimmy and Justin continued on it, but it was kind of a different book.
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Tad Eggleston: And they called it All-Star Western when they launched the New 52.
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Ryan: Yeah, that's what they are in this, Hangman Never Loses, the early Jonah.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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Ryan: We're an all-star Western.
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Tad Eggleston: Right, right.
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Ryan: Remember when they put him, like, in a Mad Max future, and Keith Gippen drew it?
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Tad Eggleston: Vaguely.
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Tad Eggleston: I think I've heard of that more than I've read it.
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Ryan: That was, like, early 80s, and it was.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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Ryan: X, and yeah, they put him, like, in a road warrior-type future, and had Keith Giffen art. That was a wild book, man.
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: No, Jimmy… Jimmy made him,
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Tad Eggleston: very eastward, man with no name.
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Tad Eggleston: And he told, almost always, self-contained stories.
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Tad Eggleston: Which is part of the reason they were able to get such
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Tad Eggleston: outstanding art. It's like, because he'd talk to somebody, he'd say, hey, you want to do a Jonah Hex book with me? And they'd say, sure, let me see what I can get into my schedule, you know, how long is it gonna be? And he's like, 22 to 28 pages, depending on what you've got time for, and he's like, what's my deadline? And he's like.
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Tad Eggleston: A year? Do you need two years? You know? And they'd be like, oh, I can do it whenever? Absolutely.
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Ryan: I liked those, well, I think everybody liked them, those Tim Truman, Jonah Hexes for Vertigo in the 90s.
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Tad Eggleston: Those… those were good, too.
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Ryan: Yeah, I thought.
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Ryan: Fantastic.
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah. I like Tim Truman a lot on,
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Tad Eggleston: Oh, what was the… the… first book that he did with Ostrander?
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Ryan: Crim jack.
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Tad Eggleston: Yes!
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Tad Eggleston: S.
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Ryan: Yeah, he's a good artist.
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Tad Eggleston: I did… I read Grim Jack a few years ago.
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Tad Eggleston: Before we absolutely bore Emily to tears, though.
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: She's not into the old Marvel DC stuff, but she did mention to me that she recently… it was a…
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Tad Eggleston: What was the con that you went to recently?
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e joy: Oh, I went to, SpringCon, at the Minnesota State Fairgrounds.
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e joy: very, affordable con, only, $10, and I was…
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e joy: They're with Twin Cities Zine Fest, and we had a table where we taught kids how to make zines.
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e joy: But we also had butcher paper, and it was mostly just people doodling on the table, and it was really fun.
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Tad Eggleston: I love that. That's fantastic.
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Tad Eggleston: I like… A, I think there should be more of that at almost any con. One of the things that I like about C2E2 is that they have, like, a family area that regularly has
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Tad Eggleston: people teaching how to do this. You know, Jeffrey Brown will always spend at least an hour on a couple of different days, like, teaching kids how to draw.
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Tad Eggleston: Star Wars characters, or… Whatever, you know.
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Tad Eggleston: So that you not only have something that, that, that appeals to, to…
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Tad Eggleston: To the younger fair, but, but, like…
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Tad Eggleston: Has them kind of understanding the physical aspect of the medium.
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Tad Eggleston: Which is always…
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Tad Eggleston: always good, like, I'm married to an art teacher, so I'm always in favor of anything that has people drawing.
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Ryan: Absolutely.
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Tad Eggleston: If we'd been there, my wife would have just pulled up a chair at that table and possibly not left it. Just expected me to bring anything by to her if I thought she'd like it.
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e joy: There were some people who were just there, kind of, like, waiting for their, children and stuff. Right. Well, they colored in, and… Right. It was like, I don't care, you know, you can…
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Tad Eggleston: Exactly!
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e joy: Let us show you some zines!
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Tad Eggleston: So, so you're gonna add something like that at insert name?
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Tad Eggleston: Just have the butcher paper table?
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e joy: Yeah, usually at, these little ZineFat… well, SpringCon is like a… what I guess I would call, like, like a more mainstream… Right.
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e joy: But, like, I was really surprised, like, I, I think because I have less experience with them, sometimes I underestimate the mainstream cons, especially because I don't go to them very often, but I was…
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Tad Eggleston: Oh, I understand.
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e joy: Yeah, and it's like… I'm like, oh, was there gonna be anything for me? But there was a lot that I thought was really cool. I want to show you… there was a table with, like, two… two little boys and their mom and dad, and, like, the mom had, like, a podcast, and then the dad had a zine that's just a Word document.
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e joy: And it's like… You can't see it, it's very blurry, but it's like.
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Tad Eggleston: The Whip Thomas Town?
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e joy: 6 pages in it.
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Tad Eggleston: I love it.
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e joy: He, like, reviewed, like, he went to the Iron Maiden show at, like, one of the big stadiums over here, and he's, like, reviewing that show, and just, like.
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e joy: His favorite 45s, and .
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Tad Eggleston: I love it.
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e joy: It's a real old-school zine, and I really like.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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e joy: And then the kids have their own comic books. I was like, oh, this is like a family affair, this is really cool.
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Tad Eggleston: That's… that's super cool. I mean, again, anything…
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Tad Eggleston: anything that has kids making. I'm not the screen hater, but, like, I like…
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Tad Eggleston: I also like to see kids creating.
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Tad Eggleston: I like to see kids doing imaginative tasks, rather than just… repetitive tasks.
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Ryan: No, let's settle for any evidence we can get that families still work, you know what I mean?
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Tad Eggleston: Well, that's a bonus as well.
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Tad Eggleston: But no, I mean, I just… I remember going through it with my children and realizing that what was special about Star Wars action figures was that they had one for even the characters that were only on screen for a second or so. So you had to do things with them other than just recreate the movie.
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Tad Eggleston: Otherwise, you'd get bored. Whereas, like.
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Tad Eggleston: When my kids were young, it's like, oh, here's 3 different versions of Jack Sparrow, but we don't have any random pirates.
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Tad Eggleston: Yes.
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Ryan: Star Wars had ones for every creature sitting in that bar.
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Tad Eggleston: Yep.
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Tad Eggleston: Yep.
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Tad Eggleston: Which meant… which meant that, like, you had to… well, you didn't have to, but you were encouraged to, like, come up with your own stories, because, oh, I've got the devil horn guy. He doesn't speak or do anything but drink, but…
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Tad Eggleston: I'm 5, I'm not just gonna turn the figure slowly at the bar, I'm gonna have him do stuff.
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e joy: Yeah, kids aren't really recreating, like, my dinner with Andre, you know?
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Ryan: Oh!
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Ryan: Go on.
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e joy: Adventures and stuff.
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Tad Eggleston: But, like, the more different characters you have to play with, the more you can have your adventures become crazy and fantastic and…
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Tad Eggleston: whatever, rather than just falling into, well, this is what Jack Sparrow does, because that's what he did in the movie, or this is what happened in the movie of Jurassic Park, so this is what's gonna happen now.
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Tad Eggleston: Also, I liked it when most of the action figures were the same size, so, like, you could play Star Wars and G.I. Joe at the same time.
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e joy: Yeah, I remember my mom got to date Spider-Man, and Spider-Man was only a third of the size of Barbie, and it's like, we'll make it work, but you know.
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Tad Eggleston: I don't know, I kinda… I kinda like that power dynamic.
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e joy: That would be a good thing. It's like, you know,
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e joy: the incredible shrinking man and, like, the 50-foot woman or something.
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Tad Eggleston: Right, right!
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Tad Eggleston: I'm digging this. Diggin' this. I feel like you have a mini-comic idea there, Emily.
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e joy: I'm thinking now, maybe I should try to do a superhero comic, so to speak, you know?
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Ryan: I'd read it.
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e joy: Yeah!
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Tad Eggleston: too!
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e joy: I need to do… it would give me a really good excuse to, research a hell of a lot of comic books.
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Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, think about it, like, the first time we talked, the book that you wound up re…
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Tad Eggleston: recommending was a riff on a Batman book.
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e joy: Oh, yeah, was that, that was Ryan Alb's, oh my god, what was it? It was, like, the…
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e joy: The one where Batman gets his back broken.
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Tad Eggleston: Backbroken, yeah.
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Ryan: Yup.
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e joy: Yeah.
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e joy: And then…
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Ryan: They're fighting naked the whole time.
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e joy: Yeah, they're fighting with their ding-dongs out, so…
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e joy: Yeah, I had a great time at SpringCon. It was,
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Tad Eggleston: That sounds fun.
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Tad Eggleston: Now, I mean, I haven't actually been to SpringCon, but it sounds like, like the level of ones that I've been to before. Was it one of the cosplay-heavy ones, or lower cosplay?
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e joy: It was really, hmm, how many people… there was definitely cosplaying going on. I think my favorite that I saw was two Lex Luthors. Okay. There were a couple, and they had really good suits on. So, there were, like, two different versions of Lex Luthor, like, one had the white suit, one had the black suit.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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e joy: They dress up every year in, like, a couple's costume. It was like…
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Tad Eggleston: Nice.
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e joy: These, two guys and their…
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e joy: I couldn't tell how old they are, maybe 40s or something, so…
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Tad Eggleston: Right, right, very cool.
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e joy: Lots of Spider-Men, lots of Ghostbusters. Lots of Ghostbusters.
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Tad Eggleston: Yeah, go…
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e joy: I was really surprised.
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Tad Eggleston: Ghostbusters have, like, branches all over the place.
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Tad Eggleston: They're kind of like the Star Wars cosplayers, where they're actual, like, Ghostbusters groups.
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Tad Eggleston: All over the place.
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Tad Eggleston: Some of them even do up their cars. Like, every once in a while, you'll… you'll be driving around and see, like…
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Tad Eggleston: like…
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Tad Eggleston: Honda CR-V done up as a Ghostbuster mobile. You know, completely repainted and with crazy stuff on top, and…
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e joy: I should do that to my, my old-ass Honda Civic, because…
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Tad Eggleston: There you go.
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Ryan: Let's take on.
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e joy: I'm always breaking down, and I know I can't sell it for crap, but, you know, maybe I can make it into a Barbie car, you know?
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Tad Eggleston: There you go.
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e joy: So…
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Tad Eggleston: There you go.
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Tad Eggleston: Do we know anything about who's coming this year to insert name? Or is that still something that's forming up and to be announced later?
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e joy: We will announce the vendors on June 14th, Sunday.
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Tad Eggleston: So coming around the corner…
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Ryan: applications.
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Tad Eggleston: Okay.
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e joy: Yeah, we capped it at 100 this year, because we're like, we don't want to wade through… it does take a long time to read them, you know, giving people…
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e joy: You know?
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e joy: Equal time and all that, so it's like…
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Tad Eggleston: And that's even with a tabling fee now.
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e joy: Tabling fee is only $10 for a half table and $20 for a full table.
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Tad Eggleston: I get that, but I remember talking to you the year that you had introduced the tabling fee almost entirely to make certain that, like, you could cut down on the applications that you got in, because you wouldn't be getting them from people who weren't serious, serious to put up
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Tad Eggleston: The $10 or $15, whatever it was that year.
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Ryan: Well, the problem with it free is you pick people.
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Ryan: And then, some of them don't even show up.
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e joy: Yeah.
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Ryan: Because they'd like to pay anything, or what do they care?
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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e joy: Yeah, me and Ryan lost, some money. We… well, I know we lost money on that year, but, this year…
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Ryan: That's fun.
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Tad Eggleston: No, I, I, I mean, that can happen, and I mean, I know, there was a…
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Tad Eggleston: Comic Shop I know, and an artist I know, where they did, like…
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Tad Eggleston: Rather than just a signing, it was also a comics class for the artist's appearance, and the artist really wanted to be free.
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Tad Eggleston: So they made it free, and as a result, they wound up having no students, because they also had to cap it, so, like, people immediately signed up for it, but because it was free, didn't actually feel…
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Tad Eggleston: Like, they were gonna lose anything if they didn't… Show?
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Ryan: Exactly right, yup.
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Tad Eggleston: So, like…
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Tad Eggleston: Even if it's something that you wind up giving back in some way if they show up, oftentimes having some sort of fee
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Tad Eggleston: is just… just a way to make certain that people aren't going, oh, this might be nice, let me reserve it in case I feel like it on that day, 3 months in the future, and completely forget about it afterwards. You know, whereas if they've got even 10 bucks.
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Tad Eggleston: tied up in it, it's like, oh, I'm gonna lose my money if I don't show up, so I need to…
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Tad Eggleston: I need to go do that.
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Ryan: You gotta…
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Tad Eggleston: dumb.
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Ryan: things are worth kind of what you say they are, you know what I mean?
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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Ryan: Like, the whole… the whole world of…
24:26
Ryan: Fashion and fragrance and style is all set up on… predicated on the idea that
24:32
Ryan: you know, price determines what people think it's worth in the first place.
24:38
Tad Eggleston: Right.
24:38
Ryan: I was just talking to Daria about that the other day, because she's making some posters, and wasn't quite sure what to charge. And I was like, well, they're kind of worth what you say they're worth.
24:48
Ryan: Yeah. If you're gonna…
24:50
Tad Eggleston: Well, I, I, I had a,
24:54
Tad Eggleston: I was having lunch one day with, dennis Kitchen and…
25:03
Tad Eggleston: What was the artist that we were with?
25:07
Tad Eggleston: Dan Burr. We're all having lunch at a co-op in Milwaukee.
25:12
Tad Eggleston: And I… and I looked up from our table, because there was a, painting is some pine trees.
25:20
Tad Eggleston: that… I mean, it was way better than I could do.
25:26
Tad Eggleston: But it was not something that I would have hung up in my house, right?
25:30
Ryan: Burr, the Kings in disguise guy?
25:33
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, which Dennis, Dennis, that's one…
25:37
Ryan: The best comics ever bought.
25:38
Tad Eggleston: Oh, it's great. It's great.
25:40
Ryan: That no one knows about. You want to talk.
25:42
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I forgot about it.
25:42
Ryan: a forgotten masterpiece. That is probably one of the 10, 20 best comics I've ever read in my life.
25:50
Tad Eggleston: That was half the reason that Dennis was introducing me, is he found out that I hadn't seen that book, and he's like, well, first of all, you need to read this, and second of all, the next time I'm in town, I'll introduce you to Dan.
26:03
Ryan: Yeah, it's an amazing book.
26:05
Tad Eggleston: What's the name?
26:07
Tad Eggleston: Kings in disguise?
26:10
e joy: Things didn't decide.
26:11
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
26:12
Ryan: No kidding.
26:12
Tad Eggleston: kings in…
26:14
e joy: In disguise.
26:14
Tad Eggleston: disguise. It's like a, depression-era… Coming of age…
26:23
Ryan: Yeah.
26:26
e joy: Right on.
26:26
Tad Eggleston: Train-hopping hobo story.
26:33
Tad Eggleston: But, it was priced at $400. So… so I looked at them, and I'm like, you guys are both professional artists. Do you think that that's a reasonable price? And they both immediately said, absolutely.
26:45
Tad Eggleston: Fine arts is, like, it's a skill. People can't do it.
26:50
Tad Eggleston: Like, you would never dream of paying your plumber less than $100 an hour.
26:56
Tad Eggleston: Because they had to learn how to do that, and you don't know how to do that. Do I think that that painting could have taken somebody 4 hours?
27:04
Tad Eggleston: Absolutely. Is it my cup of tea? No. But can I imagine a million living rooms and a million people that would go, oh, this is what will bring my living room together? Sure. And if you overprice, you can always negotiate down.
27:21
Tad Eggleston: You know, you can't really negotiate up if you realize you made it too cheap.
27:27
Tad Eggleston: I'm like, okay, this is what I need to tell my artist friends now, because I don't think I've met a community of people who…
27:38
Tad Eggleston: I don't want to say value their work less, because I think that they value it, they just value it in non-monetary ways.
27:46
Tad Eggleston: I don't think I've known a group of people that, like.
27:51
Tad Eggleston: Value their work in exchange for money, or their presence in exchange for money.
27:57
Tad Eggleston: Less than most of the comic book people I know. Things like, oh, I'm busy this month, so let me shut down my Patreon while I take care of my mom, and it's like, well…
28:08
Tad Eggleston: But do you need the money while you're taking care of your mom? Yeah, but I'm not gonna post much, and I'm like…
28:13
Tad Eggleston: I don't think your patrons care.
28:16
Tad Eggleston: I don't… I don't think they're…
28:18
e joy: Yeah.
28:19
Tad Eggleston: I don't think they're giving you money for what they get back on a day-to-day basis. I think they're giving you money for what they get back in terms of your long-term output.
28:33
e joy: I asked my Patreon… patron… Patreon patrons, like, I'm… I'm like, what do you want? Like, you know, what should I have more of? And they're just like, I don't know, we just like you. Yeah.
28:44
Ryan: Yup. Oh, God, yeah, all the time. Every time I've asked people in person, you know.
28:51
e joy: Yup.
28:51
Ryan: who subscribed to my site, and I'll be like, yeah, what do you want me to write more about? Oh, hell, I don't care, write about whatever you want. And I do that, too. If I've got something, like, I've had a couple times here and there where shit's going on at work, and I just don't have much time to write, and I'll just let, you know, I'll post something saying, you know, I'll be back in a week or something, and…
29:11
Ryan: It all works out, nobody complains.
29:14
Ryan: You know?
29:15
Tad Eggleston: I mean, and that's what I tell anybody who's even thinking of shutting off the payment side of their Patreon, Substack, whatever newsletter, is like…
29:25
Tad Eggleston: send out the letter to your… to your subscribers to explain the situation and see what they say. My hunch is, they're gonna tell you, no, please keep taking my money.
29:40
Ryan: I mean, most of these… most of these are people giving you 2 or 3 bucks, you know?
29:45
Ryan: And…
29:45
Tad Eggleston: And even when they're giving you more, like… I mean, I… I give money to a couple of people in part because I do want the stuff that they send out every month, right? But if I missed a month, I wouldn't feel like I needed the money back.
30:01
Ryan: Right.
30:02
e joy: I don't care, like…
30:04
Tad Eggleston: Right.
30:06
Tad Eggleston: You know.
30:08
Ryan: able to, I do think, Because that's one feedback I've gotten from people consistently over the years.
30:16
Ryan: is that they do like the fact that I keep it up pretty regularly, and say that, well, compared to most, you really do post a lot more, because there are.
30:26
Tad Eggleston: No.
30:26
Ryan: that are pretty quiet.
30:28
Tad Eggleston: Right. Regularity is a good thing, and, and…
30:33
Tad Eggleston: keeping people apprised on just the basics, you know, even if your regularity winds up being, you come in once a week to go, I am still slammed with life and kids and trying to meet my deadline, I wish that I could give you more, here's a cool picture, see you next week.
30:51
Ryan: Yup.
30:53
e joy: Yeah, speaking of Patreon, I went to a comics reading on Friday with an artist who is really good at Patreon, and it was a very good comics reading.
31:06
e joy: And I want to, like, tell you about their book, because they just released, like, I think maybe their first book? It's really good. It's called, Cream Thing in His Golden Year by Sam Hensley.
31:19
Ryan: That was a good-looking book.
31:21
e joy: Yeah, Ryan, I showed it… I've seen.
31:23
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
31:24
e joy: And it's… at first, I didn't quite know what it was about. I, I helped my friend, Sam by, hooking them up with a venue, and then I…
31:36
e joy: I was like, I should probably, like, promote this, and I was like, it's about a lamb made out of butter, that lives in the woods, and I was kind of right, but actually, it's not… there's so much more to it. It's like…
31:49
e joy: And the drawings are just, like, crazy.
31:52
e joy: late.
31:53
e joy: I think it's all, I don't even know… it's, like, paintings, and, like, watercolor, and it's about this, like, weird creature that, like, dies over and over again because of a curse, but also doesn't feel any pain, and, like…
32:07
e joy: Really cool drawings.
32:09
Tad Eggleston: It's really cool looking.
32:10
e joy: Yeah, just.
32:12
Tad Eggleston: Unfortunately, our listeners will have to go find the book, so announce it again, so they know how to go find it.
32:19
e joy: So this book is called… and this is all one… well, okay, Cream Thing, which is all one word, cream plus thing, and it's called Cream Thing in His Golden Year, and you can get it, from Sam Hensley.
32:33
e joy: And, she…
32:36
Tad Eggleston: It's like samsketchbook.bigcartel.com.
32:40
e joy: You got it, I had that URL already, and you got it perfect.
32:45
Tad Eggleston: The gorgeous, the gorgeous thing about, about Google, when it works…
32:49
e joy: Yeah.
32:50
e joy: And…
32:52
Tad Eggleston: That was my exciting thing this last week. I discovered that, like.
32:56
Tad Eggleston: You don't have to put podcasts in with 22 panels anymore.
33:00
e joy: Nice.
33:01
Tad Eggleston: If you just put 22 panels in, we will come up on the various services, and for that matter, my cat…
33:08
Tad Eggleston: Is the fourth picture.
33:11
Tad Eggleston: after two different versions of Wally Woods, 22 Panels That Always Works, and Mike Avon Omings.
33:18
Tad Eggleston: homage to Wally Wood's 22 Panels That Always Work, you get Eddie knocking the microphone over when you Google 22 panels. And I'm like, okay, that's something.
33:31
Tad Eggleston: Now, where's the money?
33:33
e joy: Yeah, exactly, right?
33:35
e joy: When you Google me, the first thing you get is a, somewhat medium review of one of my books by Robert Clough, or something. Am I saying that right? Yeah. Clough?
33:46
Ryan: I'm Club, yeah, or Cloud. He goes… I think people say either one.
33:50
e joy: Oh, yeah. Okay.
33:51
e joy: And then the rest of it is…
33:53
Ryan: and plow.
33:58
e joy: Oh yeah, I have a new zine out.
34:01
Tad Eggleston: Yeah! You went little!
34:03
e joy: Yeah, I went, like…
34:04
Tad Eggleston: it.
34:04
e joy: Yeah, it's easier to ship, and it fits the format, because I was doing four panel squares, and so I made it, like, almost a coffee table or a book that you would have sitting by the toilet, maybe? You know, just, like, something for light reading, but .
34:19
Tad Eggleston: That's a legit thing, yeah.
34:22
e joy: Yeah.
34:23
e joy: Oh, I gotta set up an online store. I'll do that later, but…
34:27
Tad Eggleston: I think my wife just does hers through Ko-Fi, because then the payment and the stuff are all together.
34:34
e joy: Oh, yeah. Well, maybe I could…
34:38
e joy: Yeah, I do have a Patreon, maybe I could have that as just… I was gonna send it to everyone.
34:42
Tad Eggleston: I think they have an ability to do…
34:46
Tad Eggleston: do store setups more on Patreon than they used to.
34:50
Ryan: Yeah, they're working on all kinds of shit.
34:52
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
34:53
e joy: Ryan, I had an idea, like…
34:56
e joy: Have you ever thought about making, like, a collected, like, zine or, like, book of your reviews?
35:02
Ryan: I'll do it before I die, you know, one of these years.
35:07
e joy: Well, I mean, just start out with a little one, and then release, like, issues.
35:11
Ryan: Yeah, there's so much stuff from so many years.
35:14
Ryan: I'd really have to cut down and determine what the best of it was.
35:18
Ryan: But at some point, I'm gonna do it.
35:22
e joy: Right on. Well, if you need formatting or printing help.
35:26
Ryan: Oh, I know who to call!
35:33
Tad Eggleston: So, what has been exciting the two of you in comics this year?
35:43
e joy: Seeing more people get into comics that maybe,
35:47
e joy: have not been into them before. Like, when I was at the SpringCon, there were, like, you know,
35:55
e joy: It wasn't just kids drawing on the table, it was like, you know, like.
36:00
e joy: The comic book collector guys, but then it was also, like, grandmas and stuff, and, like…
36:05
e joy: I think even my mom has read a couple of zines at this point, and just seeing people get into self-publishing, like, that guy, like, the whole family that was at that table, and like, they all… like, the kids had their own comic books, and there were several tables that had, like, children with their parents, and, like, the kids were selling, like.
36:23
e joy: pictures of birds, or like… it was just really cool to see that, because I want to hear from different voices, that I maybe have not, heard a lot of, or maybe I didn't know where to look for them before.
36:39
Tad Eggleston: I am always pleased to see a wider swath.
36:43
Tad Eggleston: of people.
36:45
Tad Eggleston: Getting into comics.
36:47
Tad Eggleston: It's not just middle-aged white dudes anymore.
36:50
Ryan: Yup.
36:51
Tad Eggleston: And that's… Burtoning.
36:55
e joy: Yeah, comics is for everyone.
36:58
Tad Eggleston: I mean, really, all storytelling should be for everyone, but like…
37:02
Tad Eggleston: for so long, particularly in the Ameri… in the United States market, people were…
37:11
Tad Eggleston: Blown away at the idea that, like.
37:14
Tad Eggleston: Wait a minute, you mean comics aren't… aren't just superheroes?
37:19
Tad Eggleston: But, but to see, to see it, like, expand further.
37:25
Tad Eggleston: Where more and more people who didn't even realize they were readers, because they're not great at reading prose. But…
37:32
Tad Eggleston: that doesn't mean they don't crave storytelling or information or whatnot, and they'll discover the comic that speaks to them, and now suddenly they're a reader, and sometimes they wind up reading more prose too, but they definitely wind up reading more comics, because it's like, oh, this is what I feel like I was supposed to get out of books, but…
37:47
Tad Eggleston: Never managed to capture personally.
37:51
Tad Eggleston: Huh?
37:52
e joy: I gotta give credit to, like, Dogman, that's, like.
37:56
Tad Eggleston: Definitely.
37:57
e joy: Yeah, I mean, I read Capital…
37:58
Tad Eggleston: Reyna Telgemeyer deserves all the awards, too.
38:02
e joy: Yeah, of course.
38:03
Tad Eggleston: You know, for that matter, I like…
38:07
Tad Eggleston: with her book with Scott McCloud last year, the Cartoonist Club, I wonder if seeing, like, the kids making their own comics for sale, how much of that is driven by… there's literally a book that you can buy at Target that involves
38:24
Tad Eggleston: Middle schoolers making their own comics and then selling them at a minicon.
38:29
Tad Eggleston: I've…
38:30
e joy: I actually haven't read that book, it's on my list, but like…
38:33
Tad Eggleston: It's so good!
38:35
e joy: It's… It's right up my alley.
38:38
Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, it… it's… it's like the… the easy reader version of understanding comics, but it's also, a Raina Telgemeyer, you are seeing…
38:51
Tad Eggleston: You know, yes, life is hard, but you're not a lone middle grade book on top of that.
38:57
Tad Eggleston: Right? So it, like, hits all of the buttons.
39:01
Tad Eggleston: It's… One of my favorite books from last year.
39:06
Tad Eggleston: And again, you can pick it up at your average big box store, and most of your
39:12
Tad Eggleston: Better comic book shops. Right.
39:16
Tad Eggleston: But, like, if you don't know where the closest comic shop is, or you're still afraid to go into the comic shop, you can generally find Raina Telgemeier at Walmart, or Target, or whatever your local equivalent is.
39:34
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Yeah.
39:37
e joy: Or the library. Library.
39:39
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yes, libraries… I mean…
39:43
Tad Eggleston: I don't… like, I try to talk about it more. Libraries have embraced comics so…
39:50
Tad Eggleston: Wholeheartedly lately that most people have access to…
39:57
Tad Eggleston: More comics than they can imagine.
40:01
Tad Eggleston: through their local library system. Whether it's in their local branch or just available on, on, like, quick interlibrary loan, like, almost any time you bring up a book.
40:13
Tad Eggleston: No matter how long out of print it is, you can, like, go to your local library's website and have it at your library within a week.
40:20
Tad Eggleston: It's like, oh, now I do get to read this thing that… Hasn't been around forever.
40:27
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, libraries and comics are amazing.
40:32
e joy: And if you tell your library to, like, order a book by an author.
40:36
Tad Eggleston: They will.
40:36
e joy: you can't afford to read. That's money that goes to that.
40:40
e joy: You know… Right.
40:41
Tad Eggleston: Hopefully.
40:46
Tad Eggleston: That's right.
40:47
Tad Eggleston: Ryan, anything cool for you lately?
40:50
Ryan: Oh, man, I'll tell ya, right… now, I am, really enjoying that,
41:04
Ryan: Hangman Never Loses thing I told you about, and I've also been,
41:09
Ryan: just starting a new Kim Deich book, How I Make Comics, so…
41:13
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
41:13
e joy: Hold on.
41:14
Tad Eggleston: I've got a copy of that.
41:15
Ryan: What's up.
41:16
e joy: That one about…
41:17
Ryan: I mean, that's guaranteed to be good.
41:19
Tad Eggleston: That's one that's kind of self-explanatory.
41:23
Ryan: Yeah, I mean…
41:24
Tad Eggleston: How I make comics is about how he makes comics.
41:27
Ryan: How he makes comics.
41:29
Ryan: And then,
41:30
Ryan: Andrew Alexander over there at Cram has really been publishing a lot of good stuff. He's got a new collection of strips by Drew Luhrmann, who's one of the great cartoonists working these days, and he's got his own,
41:44
Ryan: his own, autobio Zine, I think it was…
41:48
Tad Eggleston: AndyAlexandi.com, also Cram…
41:52
Ryan: And there's a new issue of Cram. These are all really gorgeous rhizo-printed, heavy cardstock-type, publications.
42:01
Ryan: And then he did one from Audra Stang not too long ago, published a new thing of hers, and .
42:09
e joy: That was Valley Valley, right?
42:11
Ryan: Yep, and then, he's been doing a lot of, stuff with a cartoonist named Nick Bunch, whose, stuff is all really good, so I'm loving everything that's coming out of Cram.
42:21
Ryan: But so far this year, These standout comic
42:28
Ryan: And it's a little, like, 10-12 page mini.
42:31
Ryan: by an artist I still really don't know anything about, named Emily Zimmer, and I think I reviewed this one, I can't remember, called Vortex.
42:41
Ryan: And this…
42:42
e joy: I want to get that.
42:43
Ryan: Yeah, this thing has… now, content-wise, it's nowhere near as,
42:49
Ryan: unbelievably depraved, but it has the same energy to me as Rory Hayes-type stuff.
42:57
Ryan: And if you think there's a higher compliment than that, coming from me, there is not. You know what I mean?
43:04
Ryan: This thing really feels like the early Rory Hayes?
43:08
Tad Eggleston: You ha- you have reviewed it, in fact…
43:12
Tad Eggleston: When I Google it, your review comes up before the ability to buy it at Domino.
43:18
Ryan: Okay, yeah, I doubt anybody else has reviewed the thing.
43:23
Tad Eggleston: Right.
43:24
Ryan: But, you know, it's like a little $5 thing, and it is everything I love about comics distilled into one, compact package. I can… I can read that. I mean, I don't have time to, but…
43:39
Ryan: I could read that 8, 10, 12 times in a row. That thing is just incredible. This is… that is everything you want about DIY comics in one thing. If there is one
43:51
Ryan: Functional example of what makes this
43:54
Ryan: Beleaguered medium of ours, so unique.
43:58
Ryan: And, you know, able to do things nothing else can.
44:03
Ryan: That's it, right there. I don't even know who this Emily Zimmer is, I think she's out of the Bay Area or something. But that thing is incredible.
44:12
Ryan: That will single-heartedly restore your faith in, The whole comics medium.
44:20
Tad Eggleston: Well, but I never lost faith in the whole comics medium.
44:24
Ryan: Well, right, but you know what I mean, like,
44:28
Ryan: You know how, you can look around and feel like, you know, stuff is a little too, like, who's doing their own thing that hasn't been done before, kind of thing?
44:39
Ryan: And that's the perfect example.
44:43
Ryan: That there is still new things to be done. There we go, that's a better way of saying it.
44:48
Ryan: that there's still new things to be done that have not been done before, and it's because you haven't done them before, you know what I mean? There's a story in everybody that hasn't been put out there yet, and some people just put pen to paper and do it, and that's the best reason to make comics there is.
45:06
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
45:07
Tad Eggleston: it appears… that… It was printed at the Oakland Library.
45:14
Ryan: Yeah, that sounds right.
45:15
e joy: Yeah.
45:20
Ryan: I'm gonna… At scratch.
45:22
Tad Eggleston: fever.
45:23
Ryan: I'm an absolute evan… yeah. I'm an absolute evangelist for that thing. It just is everything I like in…
45:31
Ryan: 10, 12, whatever it is, pages.
45:39
Ryan: So, everybody out there, Vortex, I think Domino's probably still… hopefully he still has some copies.
45:49
Tad Eggleston: Well, and if you go to CatchScratchfeever.org…
45:55
Tad Eggleston: You can buy it directly from Her big…
46:00
Ryan: You got anything else?
46:02
Tad Eggleston: It looks like a book called Wallow?
46:06
Tad Eggleston: And a book called Cattle Mutilation That's Sold Out.
46:10
Ryan: Fuck.
46:11
Ryan: Sold out, huh?
46:13
e joy: Maybe, maybe, she has an email, and we can get that cattle mutilation somehow.
46:19
Tad Eggleston: I, I, I…
46:20
Ryan: Yeah, yeah, I gotta get ahold of her.
46:21
Tad Eggleston: I'm not gonna read her email on the podcast, but it is at her Instagram page.
46:32
e joy: Okay, cool.
46:35
Tad Eggleston: So… so, so.
46:37
Ryan: Oh, and…
46:38
Tad Eggleston: Definitely, definitely findable.
46:41
Ryan: Another, thing that's going on is the grate.
46:45
Ryan: Steve Lafler has some new stuff out.
46:49
Ryan: Including a collaboration book with Paul Theroux.
46:53
Ryan: called Crazy For You that was really good.
46:55
Tad Eggleston: I have that.
46:56
Ryan: Yeah, and then, his own self-published collection of his 1956, which is a fantastic little story. Steve is a fantastic cartoonist who's been around forever now, and just…
47:11
Ryan: It keeps on…
47:13
Ryan: you know, every new project really is impressive. I mean, I've loved his stuff since the days of Buzzard.
47:25
Ryan: Oh.
47:26
Ryan: Look at that.
47:27
Tad Eggleston: Hell yeah.
47:27
Ryan: I'm gonna order her, wallow right now.
47:30
Tad Eggleston: There you go. See, here I am, I'm even managing to sell books to Ryan Carey during a podcast.
47:37
Ryan: Yup.
47:38
Tad Eggleston: I didn't think that was possible. I thought you were always on top of it before I was, or were like, yeah, Tad, that's cool that you still like that, but .
47:49
Ryan: No, you're not!
47:53
Ryan: you're far more plugged into the everyday comings and goings, I think, than I am.
47:59
Tad Eggleston: Well, no, I know, but I'm plugged into everyday comings and goings from the big publisher that, like…
48:07
Tad Eggleston: I know you well enough to know that you don't frown on them as much as it seems like for anybody that reads your Patreon, but, like, I always… I always laugh that, like, you're willing to speak to me, given the way you refer to half the comics I love on Patreon. Well…
48:27
Ryan: I don't,
48:28
Ryan: I don't, disrespect the work that goes into, oh, look at this thing of hers, I love brutal death metal.
48:36
Ryan: Man, I like this girl. This is great stuff.
48:39
Tad Eggleston: I feel like she makes her own music, too. If you click on the music, you go to her Bandcamp page.
48:44
e joy: We should ask Emily Zimmer to table that insert name.
48:47
Ryan: You know we should, the older sheep.
48:49
Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, you'd have to get her out from Oakland, it sounds like.
48:54
e joy: Well, our fundraiser's going really well, so maybe it's fun.
48:57
Tad Eggleston: Yeah,
48:59
Ryan: Yeah!
49:00
Tad Eggleston: There you go.
49:02
Ryan: I'm gonna tell you something. I respect the work those people do, putting out these things that I don't read. There's an audience for it. What I don't like is,
49:14
Ryan: what I don't like is the business aspect, but I understand that's just.
49:19
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I don't like a lot of the big business aspect either, which is also why I tend way more towards…
49:27
Tad Eggleston: even when I'm in the Wednesday comic arena.
49:32
Tad Eggleston: I tend way towards more… like…
49:37
Tad Eggleston: the independent presses, and often even more towards the mad caves and onis of the world than the image and dark horses of the world, that sort of thing.
49:48
Ryan: Yeah, Dark Horse is trying to unionize now, though.
49:51
Tad Eggleston: Well, and, not just trying.
49:54
Tad Eggleston: Dark Horse has voluntarily recognized their union. Oh, did they? So I was proud of that, yeah.
50:01
Ryan: That's what I saw. Yeah, the last I saw, that was still… oh, that is great, because Image never did that.
50:08
Tad Eggleston: Right, so the next huge step is, like, how does collective bargaining go, obviously? But…
50:18
Tad Eggleston: But it does appear that, that, that…
50:22
Tad Eggleston: Dark Horse has chosen to… voluntarily… .
50:32
Ryan: That's fantastic.
50:34
Tad Eggleston: Right.
50:36
e joy: Can I recommend 2 more comic books?
50:40
Tad Eggleston: Of course!
50:41
e joy: I would… I want to recommend a book that, I think it was Drawn in Quarterly just put out, from Cedar Van Tassel, called Apple Guy and Beefwood.
50:54
Tad Eggleston: Tyler was a big, big fan of that one.
50:57
e joy: And I think Cedar is coming to insert name, but I have to confirm with him that he can come.
51:01
Tad Eggleston: Oh, that'd be cool.
51:03
e joy: Because he applied, and I'm like, yeah, of course!
51:06
Tad Eggleston: Alright.
51:08
e joy: I used to…
51:09
Ryan: Did you put that out?
51:11
e joy: Huh?
51:13
Tad Eggleston: We're running quarterly.
51:14
e joy: Really, yeah.
51:16
e joy: It's like a nice hardcover book.
51:18
Ryan: Check that out.
51:20
Ryan: I'm gonna have to check that out.
51:22
e joy: I also… I haven't read this one yet, like, I haven't finished it, but I started reading it, and it's,
51:29
e joy: Larry Harris and Shay Merck did a book called, and I think it got nominated for an.
51:35
Tad Eggleston: Oh, the Making Nonfiction comics, yeah.
51:37
e joy: Yeah, because I really want to start doing… I have all these ideas of things I want to start doing, because, like, I've been doing auto-bio and diary for a long time, and it's like… I'd kind of like to explore some other genres, but, journalism comics…
51:53
e joy: You know, that seems, like, extremely… Turtle drink.
51:57
Tad Eggleston: And I always appreciate it when the guides to making comics are comics themselves.
52:04
e joy: Yep.
52:07
e joy: Also, on a non-comics note,
52:12
e joy: And Ryan is a fan of this video distribution company as well. There's, are they a… what is vinegar syndrome?
52:23
e joy: They're a distribution.
52:24
Ryan: No, no.
52:24
e joy: company.
52:24
Ryan: Blu-ray label.
52:26
e joy: They're a Blu-ray label.
52:28
e joy: Yeah, I've been watching.
52:30
Ryan: row 2.
52:31
e joy: Yeah, I've been watching movies that Vinegar Syndrome and Bleeding Skull have put out, and a lot of, like, these, like, shot-on-video, like, shot-on-VHS, like, bad horror movies.
52:43
e joy: And, like, I think I like movies, again, after not watching them for a couple of years.
52:50
e joy: like, I like, I like… I don't… I don't know, I like seeing people, like, trying to…
52:56
Tad Eggleston: syndrome, what did you say was the other one?
52:59
e joy: Bleeding skull.
53:04
e joy: And Vinegar Syndrome is opening a store in, Minneapolis.
53:15
Ryan: Yeah, but when?
53:17
e joy: Yeah, I know, it might already be open,
53:21
e joy: It's in Dinkytown, which is by the University of Minnesota Twin Cities.
53:30
Tad Eggleston: I mean, one of the reasons that I, that I, like, am more interested in this than I normally would be is that,
53:40
Tad Eggleston: Jim Terry recently made a movie that, to my knowledge, has been screened
53:44
Tad Eggleston: Three, maybe four times, but I bet…
53:47
Ryan: That guy is a good… cartoonist.
53:49
e joy: We should have him. I'd love to have him there.
53:52
Tad Eggleston: He made a fantastic movie.
53:54
Tad Eggleston: So… Yeah. What's it not?
54:01
Ryan: That is a good.
54:02
Tad Eggleston: It's called… it's called Shank.
54:05
e joy: Okay, sweet. I only have a…
54:08
Tad Eggleston: There's a… there's a short trailer, like, a 40-second trailer for it at Wounded But… his, Wounded But Dangerous YouTube page.
54:20
e joy: Nice.
54:20
Tad Eggleston: Here, I'll find it and drop the link.
54:30
Tad Eggleston: But actually, I was, there's a… theater…
54:39
Tad Eggleston: the… the… in Minneapolis that I… that I saw…
54:45
Tad Eggleston: while I was up there, that looks like the type…
54:49
Tad Eggleston: That might be willing to show something like this.
54:52
e joy: The Trilon?
54:55
Tad Eggleston: Maybe? Give me a second.
54:57
Tad Eggleston: Is it right by a coffee shop?
55:00
e joy: Yep, the Trilon Micro Cinema. I did a poster for them once.
55:05
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
55:06
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
55:07
Tad Eggleston: And… and I know somebody who… who knows their projectionist.
55:11
Tad Eggleston: So…
55:13
e joy: I think I know, who you might know who knows the projectionists.
55:16
Tad Eggleston: That's entirely possible, but, like, since we're still recording, I don't want to say too many things.
55:23
Ryan: No, I hear you there.
55:25
Tad Eggleston: Because all of this is still in the dream stages, but, like, it might be something, like, if we do things right, like, set up a screening for the Saturday night before…
55:37
Tad Eggleston: Insert name, have him at the fest.
55:40
e joy: Because I also…
55:43
e joy: Shaheen Beardsley did an oldboy movie of his character, his, like, take on superhero characters, and he made his own, like, movie of his own character, and I think he acts as the main character. And I was like, yeah, what if we do, like, a comic book movie screening?
56:02
e joy: like…
56:05
Tad Eggleston: There's the link to the trailer on YouTube. Actually, I mean, Shank…
56:10
Tad Eggleston: Shank was a trailer that he made with a friend 20 years ago for a movie that didn't exist, but then it kind of niggled around in the back of his brain, and, like, last year, he was a little bit burned out on making comics and looking for something else creative to do, and realized that he hadn't spent a lot of time with that buddy in a while, and…
56:30
Tad Eggleston: Called him up and said, what if we…
56:33
Tad Eggleston: What if we made more of this?
56:35
Tad Eggleston: And, like… All Gonzo shooting, no permits acquired, ever.
56:41
Tad Eggleston: You know, so I was… one of the Q&As I was at, somebody asked what the most dangerous shot they seemed was, and they're like, literally any of the ones with fake guns, because it meant that we took fake guns out on city streets in Chicago without a permit.
57:00
Tad Eggleston: It's like, take it out, shoot the scene as fast as possible, and ditch it!
57:05
e joy: Nice.
57:07
Tad Eggleston: But, but yeah, no, I forgot.
57:09
Ryan: rulemaking.
57:10
Tad Eggleston: I, I fir- I forget who, like, the, the first… the first,
57:16
Tad Eggleston: tagline that I heard somebody come up for it was, if Monty Python made John Wick for no money.
57:25
e joy: Nice. Sold in the.
57:29
Tad Eggleston: after taking my son to it, I pitched him a different one, and he thinks that mine is, like…
57:39
Tad Eggleston: at least as good of a descriptor. I said, if Clerks and Ella Mariachi had a demon baby, its name would be Shank.
57:48
e joy: I also like that description.
57:52
Tad Eggleston: You know, because it is, it's zero budget, but it's still an action movie, and when they can't make the action look great, they lean into the fact that they don't try to ignore that, like, some stuff look ridiculous, they lean into the ridiculousness.
58:08
Tad Eggleston: For that matter, like, lack of choreography is often made up For my fantastic sound effects.
58:19
e joy: Worth it, yes!
58:20
Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, I… I seriously, I want this movie to be distributed just because I want to be able to watch it over and over again at home. You know, I'm… I'm totally autistic, and like…
58:33
Tad Eggleston: I like… with movies, I like comics, like music, whatnot. I like more movies than I don't like, etc, but then there are certain things that I can just read over and over again, or watch over and over again, or listen to over and over again, and this is totally a movie that I could watch
58:50
Tad Eggleston: Easily, once a week.
58:52
Tad Eggleston: For, like, a long, long time. And probably, you know, forever at 2 or 3 times a month.
59:00
Tad Eggleston: or 2 or 3 times a year. Like, I don't… I don't think there's been a year in my life where I haven't watched the Return of the Jedi at least 3 times.
59:08
Tad Eggleston: Shank feels like it would be in that category for me if…
59:12
Tad Eggleston: I was ever able to watch it at my whim, rather than just the…
59:18
Tad Eggleston: Occasional times that it gets played.
59:21
Tad Eggleston: Various places.
59:25
e joy: Yeah, that would be sick. I wanna see this movie really bad now.
59:29
Tad Eggleston: Well… I already have been… working gym.
59:35
Tad Eggleston: To, to, to try to…
59:37
Tad Eggleston: to let him help me get it more places. Or at the very least, let him get it… let him help me get it into…
59:44
Tad Eggleston: We've got a big screen TV at the comp shop.
59:47
Tad Eggleston: that I… that I do stuff for, along with couches. So I'm like, at the very least, let us do the first, like, living room screening, the public living room screening. I've seen it on a… on, like, a full theater screen with you, I've seen it on, like.
1:00:01
Tad Eggleston: A classroom speak…
1:00:03
Tad Eggleston: your, like, theater screen with you. So, let's do the next one, the, the, the, the, the public living room screen.
1:00:13
e joy: Nice.
1:00:15
Ryan: Have you been to the store that, Daria's working at?
1:00:18
Tad Eggleston: I have.
1:00:20
Ryan: It looks cool.
1:00:22
Tad Eggleston: It is, it's very cool. Not big,
1:00:27
Tad Eggleston: You know, I actually… the one time I've been there so far was when she was doing her…
1:00:33
Tad Eggleston: Super exclusive con.
1:00:36
Tad Eggleston: Aww.
1:00:38
Tad Eggleston: So, I had a limited amount of time that I could spend there, because…
1:00:43
Tad Eggleston: like, moving was difficult, and I get claustrophobic.
1:00:48
Tad Eggleston: That's…
1:00:48
Ryan: Joe looked like it went over pretty well, though.
1:00:50
Tad Eggleston: It went over really well.
1:00:55
Tad Eggleston: No, I was a big fan of the show, it was just… tight.
1:01:00
e joy: But it happens.
1:01:01
Ryan: I think it's right at odd mark, too.
1:01:05
Tad Eggleston: I believe it. That's… I mean, I come up for you guys' show every time, and I'll make a… make a spin-through once to try to look at stuff before I start buying, and then I spend about half an hour outside, or wherever there's space to, like, breathe, and then…
1:01:24
Tad Eggleston: I make the targeted run-through, where it's like, okay, I wanted to go talk to this table more, I wanted to go talk to that table more. Okay, I need to take a break. Now I want to go talk to that table more, and that table more. I do this for big cons, too. I'm not good with…
1:01:41
Tad Eggleston: Concerts and baseball games are the only times that I can handle
1:01:46
Tad Eggleston: Being in a large crowd of people for an extended period of time.
1:01:51
Ryan: That's beautiful.
1:01:51
Tad Eggleston: Because I have a completely different focal point.
1:01:54
Ryan: We had a nice amount of space at, squirrel House, but .
1:01:59
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:02:00
Ryan: The guy is, they closed that spot, you know.
1:02:05
Tad Eggleston: I mean, it sounds like he's turning it into his own house, so… Yeah, the guy's turning…
1:02:10
Ryan: into a house for him and his wife.
1:02:11
Tad Eggleston: I don't… I don't know if I'd want to have a con in my house.
1:02:16
Ryan: I wouldn't.
1:02:16
Tad Eggleston: So… I, I get that.
1:02:21
Tad Eggleston: Yep.
1:02:22
Ryan: But, Odd Mart is a much more central location.
1:02:26
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. It looked like a good location to me.
1:02:29
Tad Eggleston: And, like, the back… I mean, they had the back door open, so I was able to see where…
1:02:36
Tad Eggleston: where you guys are gonna be set up. It's a decent-sized space, you know, it's not as big as Squirrel House, but it's…
1:02:43
Tad Eggleston: It's… it's not… It's not at all nothing.
1:02:47
Ryan: Yeah, and they have their own show that they put on every year, too. It was just, what, a weekend or two ago, Emily?
1:02:53
e joy: Yeah, it was May 23rd and 24th, they had, flop, exclamation points, and Sally Madden ran some programming.
1:03:03
Tad Eggleston: Wow.
1:03:04
e joy: Yeah, I, I, she asked me and my friend Mergo to do an improv comics, so I had never done improv, but we did, like, live drawing, and.
1:03:14
Tad Eggleston: Oh, sweet!
1:03:15
e joy: I was the moderator, and…
1:03:17
Tad Eggleston: Sweet!
1:03:18
e joy: It was really fun, I,
1:03:21
e joy: It was really fun. yeah, so we eventually… it, devolved or evolved into me and Mergo making 4 panel comics in 3 minutes, which really tests your.
1:03:36
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:03:37
e joy: So, yeah.
1:03:38
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:03:40
e joy: It was really fun.
1:03:43
e joy: And there was a lovely tribute to, the late Diana Green.
1:03:50
Tad Eggleston: I hate it when we have to say the late.
1:03:52
e joy: Yeah.
1:03:54
Tad Eggleston: We lost Marjane Satrapi this week, too.
1:03:57
Ryan: Yeah.
1:03:58
e joy: That was so sad.
1:04:01
e joy: That is so sad. There was a guy at SpringCon who was carrying around a foam board with, like, the Persepolis drawings on it, and it said, Rest in Peace, Marjane Satropi. And then I ended up trading comics with him, and he had really good comics, so that was cool.
1:04:17
Tad Eggleston: Cool.
1:04:18
e joy: Yeah, but .
1:04:19
Tad Eggleston: And I mean, just going back to Daria, I know that Marjane was a huge influence on Daria.
1:04:25
Ryan: Oh, yeah.
1:04:26
Tad Eggleston: Lighting to do comics.
1:04:28
Tad Eggleston: So…
1:04:31
Tad Eggleston: I do want time to breathe between now and my next podcast, so I need to… I need to roll us into closing questions. I have a new one since the last time you guys were on, so you're gonna have the standard… the standard, standard closing question
1:04:51
Tad Eggleston: But before that, I'm gonna start with,
1:04:55
Tad Eggleston: I've been doing this podcast for… for…
1:04:59
Tad Eggleston: a little less than 5 years now, and I feel like I've entered the Twilight Zone. My life has… has changed almost
1:05:08
Tad Eggleston: completely in amazing ways. You know, the people that… I've made more friends in my 40s than I did in my teens.
1:05:16
Tad Eggleston: And, and, and…
1:05:20
Tad Eggleston: like, from all over the country, all sorts of people, some of them people that, like, I used to only see their names in, like, some of my favorite things, and now I text with them about baseball, right?
1:05:34
Tad Eggleston: I've been to cons where people recognized me, I've been to…
1:05:40
Tad Eggleston: You know, and that's just a stinky podcaster who, like, I'm only certain that my mom and brother listen, right?
1:05:48
Tad Eggleston: I've discovered that everybody in comics, no matter how big or small.
1:05:52
Tad Eggleston: has experiences like this and has forever. That thing where even… even having experienced it, there's that little part of them that pinches themselves and goes, did that really happen?
1:06:06
Tad Eggleston: How… how did this become my life? So I've started collecting those stories. Tell me… tell me a time in your time in… in and around comics where something happened that you… you still, like, kind of look at it and go, oh wow, that was… that was me in that story, and that's amazing.
1:06:28
e joy: Hmm… let me think.
1:06:34
e joy: Oh, I know one! Getting to meet John Porcellino, and then trading comics with him, and then he tabled at our con, like, 2 years in a row. That was so cool.
1:06:45
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:06:46
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's… John's a cool guy, I need to get to know him better.
1:06:53
e joy: Super nice guy.
1:06:55
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, really, really nice guy.
1:06:59
Tad Eggleston: Ryan, you've been around forever. I'm not calling you old, but you are.
1:07:04
Ryan: I'm old.
1:07:08
Ryan: You know…
1:07:09
Tad Eggleston: What's your crazy story.
1:07:10
Ryan: You know, for me, I've had…
1:07:16
Ryan: I was just telling Emily about one, the other night.
1:07:22
Ryan: Speaking of SpringCon was when, a few years back, when Howard Chaikin was there, who's one of my all-time idols of comics.
1:07:29
Tad Eggleston: I love Howard.
1:07:30
Ryan: Yeah, and he was doing a talk, and I asked him a question, and he had me come up and sit with him for, like, half an hour.
1:07:38
Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's cool.
1:07:39
Ryan: In front of, you know, in front of who knows how many people, talking comics with one of your all-time idols. That would rank up there in my,
1:07:49
Ryan: absolute moments, but for people that I've been able to communicate with, not in person, but virtually, but is pinched me that I'm even talking to this person, I still get starstruck by the fact that I have, exchanged many messages over time with Gary Panter.
1:08:10
Ryan: Yeah, and he sent me stuff in the mail, and to me, that,
1:08:16
Ryan: So, you know, that's like how other people would feel about talking to Michael Jackson or something, you know?
1:08:22
Tad Eggleston: Right. I mean, that's the other weird thing, like, we're in comics, so it's like, the people that were like, oh, I got to spend time with, like, anybody not in comics is like…
1:08:32
Ryan: Who? Yeah.
1:08:34
Tad Eggleston: Who? Are they the… are they the guy at the gas station?
1:08:39
e joy: Right.
1:08:40
Tad Eggleston: That could be your librarian, for all I know.
1:08:45
Ryan: Here's one that, I didn't know
1:08:50
Ryan: But that he was even much of a comics guy, but,
1:08:55
Ryan: I got a couple of emails.
1:08:59
Ryan: a few months before he passed, saying he was reading my stuff, and just… we'd banter back and forth a little bit with Robin Williams.
1:09:08
Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow.
1:09:10
e joy: Damn.
1:09:11
Ryan: I did not even.
1:09:11
Tad Eggleston: Wow.
1:09:12
Ryan: Yeah, turned out he was a really big comics reader, I had no idea.
1:09:16
Tad Eggleston: I mean, it doesn't shock me shock me? Because, like, the way I hear it, he went out of his way to get the Popeye role, but Popeye wasn't just a comic?
1:09:27
Tad Eggleston: But yeah, that's cool.
1:09:31
Tad Eggleston: That's cool.
1:09:33
Tad Eggleston: Alright, standard closing question.
1:09:37
Tad Eggleston: Tell me something you love, preferably a comic, but we don't have rules. Preferably storytelling, but again, with the rules, but something that you love.
1:09:48
Tad Eggleston: And not enough people around you have experienced it, and you really want them to so that you have more people to talk about it with.
1:09:58
Ryan: Vortex!
1:10:00
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, we can't use ones that we've already talked about in detail. -
1:10:06
Tad Eggleston: You already said Vortex, I need something different, Ryan.
1:10:09
Ryan: Sure.
1:10:13
Tad Eggleston: I will, I will, I will plug Vortex again.
1:10:17
Tad Eggleston: From, from, from, I'm just keep seeing Emily over and over again.
1:10:26
Ryan: Jimmer.
1:10:26
Tad Eggleston: Emily Zimmer.
1:10:28
Tad Eggleston: Emmy for short. 26 years old, and live in Oakland, California.
1:10:34
Ryan: Oh, she's got years and years to go.
1:10:36
Tad Eggleston: Loves drawing, playing music, skateboarding, and reading.
1:10:41
Ryan: She's got years and years of good comics ahead of her then.
1:10:47
Ryan: Alright, Emily, what do you got?
1:10:49
e joy: Oh, shoot, yeah, I guess,
1:10:55
e joy: if we're… I might have to do the same thing as you and re-promote a Cream Thing in His Golden Year by Sam Hensley. And also, I wanted to add, you were talking about, Andrew Alexander earlier.
1:11:08
e joy: And, Andy Alexander of Cram, and then the Cream Thring book was designed and edited by him. So, he had a hand in that as well.
1:11:21
Ryan: And it looks gorgeous.
1:11:23
e joy: Yeah, it's so cool, and I got to see it, like, read, like, the entire book, and sam Hensley builds robots, and, they brought, like, two robots to the show, so there were just these, like, it was like a moth.
1:11:39
e joy: anteater thing, and then there was, like, a very slowly moving butterfly baby in, like, a crib. And it was just a very eerie scene, but it was also really funny, like, the book, you know, so,
1:11:53
e joy: Yeah, excellent evening.
1:11:57
e joy: So that's what I recommend.
1:12:02
Tad Eggleston: Alright.
1:12:03
Ryan: And if there's one other thing in comics I'd like everybody to experience once, Short run.
1:12:11
e joy: Oh yeah, short run, rules!
1:12:13
Ryan: Yup, there's no show.
1:12:16
Ryan: There's no…
1:12:17
Tad Eggleston: The online…
1:12:18
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. One year, I need to remember to start saving ahead of time, so rather than trying to decide what to buy, I can just buy the whole thing.
1:12:28
Tad Eggleston: Because every year, I'm sitting there going, that would be so much easier than…
1:12:34
Tad Eggleston: than figuring out what I'm spending.
1:12:38
Tad Eggleston: if I was just in a position that I could go.
1:12:41
Tad Eggleston: You know, it's like $400 for all of it, just… done.
1:12:50
Tad Eggleston: Because short, short run is, is, is pretty awesome.
1:12:54
Ryan: Yep.
1:12:57
Ryan: What about you, Tad? You brought it up.
1:13:00
Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, I mean, it's my show, I always talk about this stuff.
1:13:04
Tad Eggleston: But, if I've gotta do something right now, off the top of my head,
1:13:11
Tad Eggleston: If only because I'm rereading it today for a book club, and it still doesn't get the attention it deserves, and Volume 2 is right around the corner, Liam Sharpe's Starhenge.
1:13:23
Tad Eggleston: Book 1, The Dragon and the Boar.
1:13:26
Ryan: Star hands?
1:13:27
Tad Eggleston: Starhenge.
1:13:29
Tad Eggleston: It's, it's, it's… It's like… Teenage romance mixed with… Arthurian legend and… and…
1:13:50
Tad Eggleston: crazy sci-fi and Doctor Who timey-wimey shit.
1:13:56
Ryan: That would probably be up my alley. I mean, I'm a huge Doctor Who fan.
1:13:59
Tad Eggleston: And it's all painted.
1:14:02
Tad Eggleston: And his page layouts are outstanding.
1:14:08
Tad Eggleston: yeah, it's one of my favorite books, and I get to talk about it tonight on a book club, and I'm talking to Liam again on Tuesday about Volume 2, which he's been kind enough to send me all four issues of already.
1:14:21
Ryan: Is that a self-published thing?
1:14:24
Tad Eggleston: No, it's through Image Comics.
1:14:26
Ryan: image.
1:14:27
Tad Eggleston: image, and, and actually the, the paperback version of Starhenge…
1:14:32
Tad Eggleston: is coming out at the same time that the first issue of Starhench
1:14:39
Tad Eggleston: Book 2 will come out, which is, like, next month.
1:14:44
Tad Eggleston: The hardcover is already available.
1:14:47
Tad Eggleston: It has been for a couple of years now. It's like his labor of love, so, like, he often will have to go and, like, do work for money, and then come back and put out another volume of Starhenge.
1:15:00
Ryan: I bet that art is something else.
1:15:02
Tad Eggleston: Oh, the art is… Yeah, so July 1st…
1:15:07
Tad Eggleston: The, the, the paperback version of…
1:15:11
Tad Eggleston: the first Starhenge will come out along with Issue 1 of Book 2, which is called A Kiss for Atticus.
1:15:19
Tad Eggleston: Here, I'll share the screen so you can see the cover artwork, but this is a case where the cover artwork and the interior artwork
1:15:26
Tad Eggleston: Have more in common than you might otherwise expect.
1:15:35
Ryan: Oh yeah, look at that.
1:15:36
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:15:38
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
1:15:41
Ryan: Wow.
1:15:43
Tad Eggleston: No, I mean, I don't know how well…
1:15:45
Ryan: I'm gonna check that one out.
1:15:47
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I don't know how well you know Liam Sharp's other work.
1:15:51
Ryan: I know the name.
1:15:53
Tad Eggleston: you know, he's done some great work with Grant Morrison, he's done some great work on his own, he's done stuff in both heavy metal and…
1:16:02
Ryan: Grant Morrison.
1:16:05
Tad Eggleston: He did… he did, he did, Grant Morrison's Green Lantern run.
1:16:11
Ryan: Oh!
1:16:14
Ryan: I read that!
1:16:16
Tad Eggleston: Also, he, what… I don't know if you are… are subscribed to Grant Morrison's… Substack?
1:16:26
Tad Eggleston: Yum.
1:16:28
Tad Eggleston: Morrison was doing, like, these, these, what he called, he was calling them, pilot comics.
1:16:40
Tad Eggleston: Only they were part pilot comic, part pilot for whatever. They were essentially proof of concept of an idea.
1:16:48
Tad Eggleston: to be used as a comic, or a movie, or whatever, but… but Sharp was doing all of the art for that.
1:16:55
Tad Eggleston: like, when that got announced is when I started paying for Morrison Substack, because I wanted the Liam Sharp art!
1:17:03
Ryan: Yeah, Grant is an interesting person, there's no doubt about it.
1:17:06
Tad Eggleston: He is.
1:17:07
Tad Eggleston: But, but yeah, no, he, he did some, Conan recently.
1:17:13
Tad Eggleston: He did some Wonder Woman, he did, the…
1:17:18
Ryan: I'm publishing Conan comics now.
1:17:21
Tad Eggleston: Titan?
1:17:22
Tad Eggleston: Has the main Conan comic?
1:17:25
Tad Eggleston: Though I think Ablaze is still doing the Cimmerian, so, so, like…
1:17:32
Tad Eggleston: because the Robert E. Howard stories themselves are considered public domain, and therefore the character is kind of public domain, but somehow the name
1:17:46
Tad Eggleston: In terms of being a title.
1:17:48
Tad Eggleston: Is not public domain for comics.
1:17:52
Tad Eggleston: Does that make sense? I mean, it only kind of makes sense to me.
1:17:56
Tad Eggleston: But…
1:17:58
Ryan: Yeah, I guess, like, within the next couple years, like, The original, like.
1:18:05
Ryan: That's gonna happen with, like, Batman and other characters.
1:18:09
Ryan: They're…
1:18:10
Tad Eggleston: they're coming up on… I mean, right now, you can draw, like, 4 or 5 different versions of Mickey Mouse in public domain.
1:18:18
Tad Eggleston: It's one of the reasons that they keep changing
1:18:21
Tad Eggleston: The, the, the, the, the base…
1:18:27
Tad Eggleston: characteristics of Mickey Mouse, because it's like, okay, you can draw him, but he can't have red shorts yet. He can't have gloves yet. That's copyrighted later.
1:18:36
Ryan: Yup.
1:18:37
Ryan: And that's why they completely changed the whole look of Howard the Duck, so that he's unrecognizable. It's not even Gerber's character anymore.
1:18:46
Tad Eggleston: Right. But, like,
1:18:52
Tad Eggleston: Winnie the Pooh just went public domain.
1:18:55
Tad Eggleston: Popeyes just went public domain.
1:18:59
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:19:02
Ryan: Yeah, actually, the…
1:19:03
Tad Eggleston: The best way to know that something is public domain is when you suddenly see a lot of trashy horror movies around it.
1:19:11
Ryan: Honest to God, if I had to, like, name the best comic I've read in the last however many years, it's been those, E.C. Seeger Sunday reprints of Popeye.
1:19:22
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, those have been good.
1:19:23
Ryan: Those are just absolutely fantastic. I just, I can't get enough.
1:19:28
Tad Eggleston: Well, I need to take another… I need to take a break before the next round, so I'm gonna…
1:19:33
Ryan: Thanks for having us on, always a pleasure.
1:19:36
Tad Eggleston: Absolutely, for Emily Mayer and Ryan Carey, insert name, ZineFest is… August 30th?
1:19:45
Tad Eggleston: at.
1:19:46
Tad Eggleston: Odd Mart on Lindale Avenue in Minneapolis, noon to 6, rain or shine,
1:19:53
Tad Eggleston: Odd Mart itself is worth the stop. I don't think…
1:19:57
Tad Eggleston: I don't think I'm gonna go to Minneapolis many times in the future without stopping and going to Odd Mart.
1:20:05
Tad Eggleston: I, I was, I was quite pleased with that stop, as I was with the,
1:20:11
Tad Eggleston: Oh, what was the name of the stop that I shopped at? Right before going… grabbing pizza, Emily, do you remember, or would I have to look at my phone and look at text messages to know?
1:20:20
e joy: Oh, was it another comic book store?
1:20:24
Tad Eggleston: It is, but it's all… all.
1:20:27
e joy: Dreamhaven?
1:20:29
Tad Eggleston: No, it wasn't Dreamhaven, because it's all back issues, and it's got a record store. Nostalgia Zone. Nostalgia Zone, yeah.
1:20:37
Tad Eggleston: I scored so many cool things in the $4 shelves at Nostalgia Zone.
1:20:46
Tad Eggleston: That one…
1:20:47
e joy: on Lake Street.
1:20:49
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:20:49
Tad Eggleston: That was… that was, my thanks to Tom Kaczynski for telling me to make… make a point of stopping at Nostalgia Zone before I left town.
1:20:58
Tad Eggleston: And also, Tom, he cost me, like, 50 more dollars.
1:21:05
Ryan: Oh, well, it was money well spent, I'm sure.
1:21:08
Tad Eggleston: It was. It was money very well spent. So, again, for Emily Mayer and Ryan Carey, this has been 22 Panels, and we will see you after the next page.