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BODY COUNT RISES: ANOTHER American Tourist Dead in the Dominican Republic · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The series of deaths and
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  Speaker 1: luxury resorts have created confusion and raised questions about the
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  Speaker 1: island safety. Fifty five year old Joseph Allen of Avenel,
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, was the latest death. He died in his
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  Speaker 1: hotel room earlier this week. The authorities have not said how.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what we do know. So far this year, seven
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  Speaker 1: tourists have died on the island of non accidental causes.
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  Speaker 1: Five of them had similar symptoms of pulmonary edema, fluid
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  Speaker 1: in the lungs, and respiratory failure, and occurred at resorts
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  Speaker 1: in Puntacana or La Romana. What we don't know is
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  Speaker 1: what caused those symptoms. The FBI is conducting their own
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  Speaker 1: toxicology tests on three of the deaths. Two others have
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  Speaker 1: been deemed natural causes, both heart attacks by island medical officials.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm going to believe something an island medical official
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  Speaker 1: tells me when there is a growing strain of deaths
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  Speaker 1: of America. Can tourists in Dominican Republic? Oh no, no,
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  Speaker 1: and what a coinkie ding that suddenly? Otherwise, healthy people
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  Speaker 1: kill over with a heart attack and add their names
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  Speaker 1: to the list of the dead. I Meancy Grace, this
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  Speaker 1: is crime Stories. What the hay is going on in
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  Speaker 1: the dr the Dominican Republic? He just can't keep ignoring
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  Speaker 1: one death after the next and the latest. A teen
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  Speaker 1: girl falls into a coma in the Dominican Republic vacationing
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  Speaker 1: there as other vacationers suffered mysterious illnesses on the island.
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  Speaker 1: This little girl named Candela did to return home. She
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  Speaker 1: never made it. She became extremely ill the morning of travel.
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  Speaker 1: What now? Joining me an all star panel? Judge Ashley Wilcot.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree, renowned medical examiner out of South Carolina and
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  Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. Former detective you can
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  Speaker 1: find him at Stephen Lampley dot com and joining me
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  Speaker 1: right now Crime online dot com. Investigative reporter Ellen Kill
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Ellen. How many people are dead from vacationing in
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  Speaker 1: Dominican Republic? Nancy? It looks like we're looking at at
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  Speaker 1: least ten deaths that are were very sudden among otherwise
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  Speaker 1: healthy people. There have been additional reports of other deaths
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  Speaker 1: of people who did have pre existing medical conditions, but
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  Speaker 1: right now is at least ten American tourists have died
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  Speaker 1: in the last year under questionable circumstances. I'm hearing your
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  Speaker 1: number of ten, but it's my understanding that two other
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  Speaker 1: Americans died now their deaths are being investigated as well.
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  Speaker 1: So I've got to conflict at ten verses twelve dead
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  Speaker 1: Americans in the dr Nancy, And as we're going back
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  Speaker 1: and forth about the death tool, that number has just
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  Speaker 1: gone up. Khalid Adkins of Denver, a father of two,
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  Speaker 1: tried to turn home from the Dominican Republic on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: but he was forced to get off the plane after
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  Speaker 1: the airline determined that he was too sick to fly.
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  Speaker 1: He was taken to a hospital in Santa Domenico. He
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  Speaker 1: was in critical condition for three days alone, vomiting, struggling
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  Speaker 1: to breathe before he died. We're still waiting for more
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  Speaker 1: details on the litist, but this is a very disturbing development.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Ellen, what are doctors saying about it?
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  Speaker 1: And I don't want to hear what some Island doctor says,
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  Speaker 1: no offense, but I want to hear what our doctors
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  Speaker 1: say because I don't know what influences those doctors in
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  Speaker 1: Dominican Republic may be under Tourism is plummeting in Dominican Republic,
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  Speaker 1: as it should from America after all of these deaths,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that there are more than what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: And I know you're basing your numbers on stats and
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  Speaker 1: these reports, and the reason I say that, Ellen, let
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  Speaker 1: me just give you an example. Eka For instance, when
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  Speaker 1: we have a known serial killer, let's just take ten.
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  Speaker 1: You don't think there are other women out there that
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  Speaker 1: he has raped or murdered that have never been connected
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  Speaker 1: to him, because I do, and I think that's the
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  Speaker 1: case with a lot of serial killers, just like in
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  Speaker 1: this case. I think there are other deaths that have
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  Speaker 1: occurred for the same reasons that so far have not
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  Speaker 1: yet linked or may never be linked to what's happening
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  Speaker 1: right now, but that are a result of what's happening
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  Speaker 1: right now. Ellen, I'm very suspicious it's related to tainted alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: And I may be not as objective as Ashley. Do
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  Speaker 1: you remember when we spoke to the dad of a
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  Speaker 1: little girl. Oh, she's not a little girl. She was
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  Speaker 1: a teen girl and the family had gone on vacation.
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  Speaker 1: She had alcohol. I think it was at a King
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  Speaker 1: Koun resort. We believe the alcohol was tainted and she
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  Speaker 1: was found dead, almost dead in the water. She did die,
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  Speaker 1: and her brother suffered some of the same symptoms and
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  Speaker 1: was rushed to the hospital after drinking at one of
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  Speaker 1: the resorts. That's why, knowing that and suspicious, all of
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  Speaker 1: these tourists are dying. Americans are dying in Dominican Republic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do remember that, Nancy. And here's the thing. A
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  Speaker 1: alcohol is easy to taint, right, how many times are
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  Speaker 1: you told if you go out and have a drink,
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  Speaker 1: never ever ever accept a drink from someone else, because
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  Speaker 1: it's so easy at any point in the process for
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  Speaker 1: something to appear be put into your drink. Second, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: in this case, it is something. It's a common denominator.
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  Speaker 1: There is one source I believe, whether it's alcohol or
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  Speaker 1: something else that is causing this and all of these individuals. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and what I'm getting at is not so much, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley helped me out here, you're the detective, Stephen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not getting at someone a particular person and nefarious
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  Speaker 1: individual putting you know, a roofi or ghb gama hydroxybaud
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  Speaker 1: rate in a drink. I'm looking more at tained alcohol
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  Speaker 1: in the sense that it's moonshine or in some way tainted,
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  Speaker 1: and it's being sold as a major brand of alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: People drink it and then kill over. Fancy your correct
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  Speaker 1: And if you remember back, this happens on a regular basis,
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  Speaker 1: it seems. If you remember back, I think it was
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen in Mexico, we had some very
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  Speaker 1: similar things happened, and I believe it was Cancoon and
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  Speaker 1: played the Carmen where there was some cheaper alcohol used
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  Speaker 1: to me. I believe it was back to two th seventeen. Yep, yep, yep.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what that was the case that I
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  Speaker 1: was talking about, you know. Eka Back to Ellen klaurin
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  Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, did you see what
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  Speaker 1: Delta just announced, Ellen? I did. I just thought Delta
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  Speaker 1: had said that they can issue refunds to anyone who
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  Speaker 1: was planning on traveling to the Dominican Republic, but now
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  Speaker 1: wants to change their plans in light of the reports
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  Speaker 1: of these deaths. That is a really big deal, Ashley Willcott,
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  Speaker 1: for a corporate giant like Delta to say they're going
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  Speaker 1: to actually give money back, no questions asked for people
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  Speaker 1: planning to travel to the dr Yeah, it sure is so.
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  Speaker 1: Ed says a lot about this seriousness that everybody should
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  Speaker 1: take this. Why would anyone travel there right now? I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand why people would still plan to vacation
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  Speaker 1: there given what's going on. But step huge kudos for
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  Speaker 1: Delta stepping up and doing the right thing. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm understanding to Ellen Colorin, she's a crime online where
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  Speaker 1: you can find this in all other breaking crime and
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  Speaker 1: justice news. Aka, did the drinks come from a mini bar?
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  Speaker 1: Or is it coming from a bar at the pool
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  Speaker 1: or in the hotel? Where are the drinks coming from?
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  Speaker 1: We know that at least three of the people who
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  Speaker 1: died did take a drink from a mini bar. Others
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  Speaker 1: seem to have taken drinks from other areas of the resorts.
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  Speaker 1: One thing to know about what we're understanding now about
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  Speaker 1: the way the mini bars work at these all inclusive
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  Speaker 1: resorts in Dominican Republic. They're not little bottles like we
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  Speaker 1: got here. They're um larger bottles that are sort of
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  Speaker 1: hanging from from an area where people can pour alcohol
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  Speaker 1: into a cup. UM. So if there's something If that
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  Speaker 1: alcohol is too strong, if it has it has been tainted,
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  Speaker 1: it can affect someone very quickly, and it can affects
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  Speaker 1: more than one person. I don't even know what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: Alcohol hanging that you can pour. They are larger bottles,
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  Speaker 1: so it's more of like getting kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: grasscock fill rather than the tiny little bottles that you
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  Speaker 1: would get in the in an hotel in the United States,
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  Speaker 1: so that if there's something wrong with one bottle, it
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  Speaker 1: could affect more than one traveler. Oh oh, oh, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Okay, I see what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: So they're just hanging there in the hotel room. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and that that's where people are, Okay. And another thing
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  Speaker 1: about that elank Laura, now that I can visualize it,
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  Speaker 1: that would be so much easier to taint, in other words,
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  Speaker 1: poor bootleg liquor into it, as opposed to those tiny
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  Speaker 1: little bottles that Jackie Howard the lush Okay in here,
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  Speaker 1: it's talking about mini bottles. How many of those of
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  Speaker 1: you cramming your pocketbook Jackie? Okay, guys, what is happening
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  Speaker 1: in the Dominican Republic? The corporate Giant Delta just announcing
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  Speaker 1: it's giving your money back if you're planning to travel
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  Speaker 1: there and they have a huge pecuniary or money interest
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  Speaker 1: in making a decision like that taken. Listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friend Griff Jenkins at Fox. Just when you thought it
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get worse. Another mysterious death. There were six Americans
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  Speaker 1: in the last twelve months. They've died mysteriously. Now the
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  Speaker 1: seventh Barbara called John Corkran one of her favorite brothers.
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  Speaker 1: The family issuing this statement acknowledging the passing quote. John
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  Speaker 1: Corkran passed away at the end of April in the
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  Speaker 1: dr from what is belief to be natural causes. He
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  Speaker 1: loved and frequently visited the Dominican Republic. Guys switching gears.
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  Speaker 1: In the last hours, we are learning a major update
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  Speaker 1: in the search for a Utah student, twenty three year
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  Speaker 1: old Mackenzie Luke. Police we are learning right now are
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  Speaker 1: searching a home as a part of the investigation into
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  Speaker 1: her disappearance. We believe, according to sources, the home belongs
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  Speaker 1: to a person known to have texted McKenzie before she
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  Speaker 1: disappears into the night. For those of you just joining us,
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  Speaker 1: McKenzie is a twenty three year old Utah student their
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  Speaker 1: University of Utah. She was texting with her mother about landing.
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  Speaker 1: She got to the airport safely. We've spotted video of her,
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  Speaker 1: skill photos of her at the airport. At the airport,
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  Speaker 1: she catches a left ride. Now that's where I got suspicious,
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  Speaker 1: because she gets in the car with a lift driver
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  Speaker 1: and then bam, nobody sees her again. But there are
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  Speaker 1: ways to verify which address she wanted to go to. Right,
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  Speaker 1: so the lift driver says, she wanted to go to
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  Speaker 1: this park type area. She takes the lift car from
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  Speaker 1: the airport to apart located just about eight miles from
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  Speaker 1: her apartment. The lift driver says, she gets out of
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  Speaker 1: his car happy, nothing wrong. Around three am. She had
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  Speaker 1: a late night flight. She did not seem distress whatsoever
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  Speaker 1: that she gets into another car. Now, at the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was very, very unusual and suspicious. But
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  Speaker 1: police are now saying the lift driver has been cleared.
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  Speaker 1: The lift driver has been cleared, So listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: She has missed classes, she has missed blights, She has
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  Speaker 1: missed a wedding she was supposed to go to. That's
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  Speaker 1: not right. We also know the twenty three year old
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  Speaker 1: missing McKenzie Luke was texting somebody as she leaves the
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  Speaker 1: airport shortly before she was last seen. We all, I
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  Speaker 1: believe that person she was texting. Isn't that cooperating with
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  Speaker 1: police and not considered a suspect. Is that true? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, but that's what they're saying at this hour.
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  Speaker 1: Saw Lake Police we're saying that they are searching a
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  Speaker 1: home in relation to the case. The home, let me
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  Speaker 1: just tell you, I'm looking at it right now as
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  Speaker 1: cordoned off with yellow crime scene tape. Now does that
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  Speaker 1: make that person to suspect. No, but it's never a
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  Speaker 1: good thing when you drive up and your home is
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  Speaker 1: cordoned off with yellow crimes can take. So the search
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  Speaker 1: is going down. We're waiting to find out what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: We also know cops are delving into the college senior
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  Speaker 1: social media accounts to find out who she possibly was
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  Speaker 1: meeting at that part. Now we know she's a real
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  Speaker 1: text she lives on her phone. Is there a clue
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  Speaker 1: in that cell phone that will lead to the missing
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  Speaker 1: Utah senior Mackenzie Luke. That's what we know right now.
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  Speaker 1: Will keep you updated and now back to look at
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  Speaker 1: what is happening in the Divindican problem crime stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Robert Wallace traveled the world with his wife.
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  Speaker 1: Friends say he worked hard and played even harder, but
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  Speaker 1: his niece says he fell ill almost immediately after drinking
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  Speaker 1: a scotch from the mini bar at the hard Rock
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  Speaker 1: Hotel and Casino. He was dead just three days later.
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  Speaker 1: David Harrison of Maryland died at the same resort last year.
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  Speaker 1: He and his wife had taken their twelve year old
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  Speaker 1: son to celebrate their wedding anniversary. The hard Rock Hotel
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  Speaker 1: and Casino says it is confident that all operational protocols
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  Speaker 1: were followed. Died at the Behea Principe resort. Their death
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  Speaker 1: certificates list the cause for both as heart attacks, but
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  Speaker 1: sports sister questions that I'm I'm done. A video Edward
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  Speaker 1: Holmes and Cynthia Day we're celebrating their engagement before they
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  Speaker 1: both died in their room at the Bohea Principe. The
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  Speaker 1: FBI is assisting Dominican authorities on the ground with all
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  Speaker 1: six deaths. Wow, you're hearing our friend Jamie Ucas at
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  Speaker 1: CBS News reporting on the death of Robert Wallace and
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  Speaker 1: at that time five other Americans in the dr Dominican Republic.
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  Speaker 1: These are not ex pats that move from America to
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  Speaker 1: seek life there. These are tourists that are hoping to
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  Speaker 1: head home in a week. They never make it. Joining me,
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  Speaker 1: Judge Ashley Wilcot. You can find her at Ashley Wilcott
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Michelle Dupree, South Carolina Medical Examiner, author
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  Speaker 1: homicide investigation, field guide, Crack Detective Stephen Lampley find him
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  Speaker 1: at Stephen Lampley dot com. And investigative reporter Ellen Colorin.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Ellen, I was really intrigued by what Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Tom inglesby. He is the director at the Johns Hopkins
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  Speaker 1: Center for Health Security. Look, he can't really argue with
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  Speaker 1: Johns Hopkins. Okay, I love to argue with people, but
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of tough to argue with somebody from such
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  Speaker 1: an esteemed institution. He says that the symptoms that have
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  Speaker 1: been reported so far, including pulmonary edema, bleeding out, vomiting blood,
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  Speaker 1: are consistent with poisoning intentional or accidental, But until the
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  Speaker 1: top psychology reports are available, it's really difficult to definitively
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  Speaker 1: say what's causing our American tourist's death. But he does
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  Speaker 1: go on, I'm going to quote him. He says it
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  Speaker 1: better than I could. This is doctor Tom Inglesby, the
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  Speaker 1: director of Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Quote, it's
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  Speaker 1: rare for travelers to die of unknown causes like this,
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  Speaker 1: and to have a high number of them in a
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  Speaker 1: relatively short period of time. Alarming, shocking, sad. Now, he
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  Speaker 1: says he believes that something investigators should be able to
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  Speaker 1: get to the bottom of. But somehow people keep dropping
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  Speaker 1: like flies on Vaca and dr and nobody's finding out
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  Speaker 1: what's going on? Now, Eka, what are the symptoms these
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  Speaker 1: people are suffering. People are feeling burning in their throats,
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  Speaker 1: They're having trouble breathing. Some people have been experiencing GAJA, sweating,
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  Speaker 1: chest pains, vomiting blood, so very very severe systems that
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  Speaker 1: have come on, very very suddenly. You know, I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to trace it all back to doctor Michelle Duprix, renowned
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  Speaker 1: medical examiner out of South Carolina, author of Homicide Investigation
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  Speaker 1: Field Guide. Do you Duprix, what's happening? Fancy? This is
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  Speaker 1: extremely concerning, This is very rare. It does definitely sound
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  Speaker 1: like some type of poison or toxin. One thing about
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  Speaker 1: the heart attack depth, you know, yes, people die from
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  Speaker 1: heart attacks, but there is a cost for that. Usually
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  Speaker 1: it's atmospherotic cardio vessels or something of that nature. So okay, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: do you want me to throw around some Latin legal
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  Speaker 1: phrases because I will rosepsaloquatur. Okay, to on that. Now.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is slow it down. Boss lady, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what you just said. What did you say
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  Speaker 1: about heart attack? Well, I said that when people die
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  Speaker 1: from heart attacks, there's a reason for it, and it
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  Speaker 1: could be from clogged vessel or athrosclerosis. It can be
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  Speaker 1: from party on my office. What is that? Okay, wait wait,
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  Speaker 1: I know what a clogged vessel is, But what was
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  Speaker 1: the other thing you said? Well, the clogged vessel, the
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  Speaker 1: medical term is athlesclerosis, so it could be from that.
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  Speaker 1: It could be from an enlarged heart, it can be
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  Speaker 1: from him. Okay, Just an aside, why did doctors insist
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  Speaker 1: on saying things like whatever it is you just said
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  Speaker 1: as supposed to clogged vessel that we can all understand,
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  Speaker 1: you know what. Never mind, I'm going to let you
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  Speaker 1: be you go ahead, Thank you for letting me be me.
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  Speaker 1: So wouldn't we even look at these deaths that we're
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  Speaker 1: from a heart attack. We still need to have a
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  Speaker 1: reason for that, So I wouldn't discount those as being
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  Speaker 1: something else involved. And again, this certainly sounds like it's
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  Speaker 1: some type of toxin or poison, the pulmonaria deema bleeding out.
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  Speaker 1: This is not not not common? Well, I mean, doctor
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  Speaker 1: g Pree, isn't it true? I mean every death ends
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  Speaker 1: in heart failure, your heart stops beating, heart attacks themselves.
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  Speaker 1: I think what you're saying in a very doctorally way.
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  Speaker 1: Heart attacks themselves can be called by a number of variants,
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  Speaker 1: including poison. And what about this heart rock Coachell in
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  Speaker 1: Dominican Republic to remove liquor dispensers after tourist's death. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Ellen Colaurin, I'm sure I've got the wrong visual, because
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  Speaker 1: you know how I'm just thinking on our Disney cruises,
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  Speaker 1: which I love, and nobody's dying of alcar poisoning. There.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. When you say liquorat dire spensers,
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  Speaker 1: I imagine soap dispensers all throughout the resort. The way
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  Speaker 1: they have on Disney cruises. I've got a funny feeling
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  Speaker 1: that's not what they mean. I'm just imagining liquor dispensers
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  Speaker 1: all over the resort where you just you know, walk
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  Speaker 1: up and you know, like a water cooler. What do
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  Speaker 1: they mean by Hard Rock Hotel and Dominican Republic to
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  Speaker 1: remove liquor dispensers after tourist's death. Well, Nancy, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that your visual is necessarily a back far off.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they're all over every inch of
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  Speaker 1: the resort. Oh my goodness, the devil is happy now.
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  Speaker 1: Liquor dispensers no matter where you go. Let me just
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  Speaker 1: tell you, Ashley Willcot. My mother still will not go
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  Speaker 1: to the corner store because they started selling beer. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: in making Georgia absolutely not. It is not happening now.
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  Speaker 1: She will go to the parking lot and make me
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: go in and get something for her, but she will
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: not darken the threshold of the door because they sell
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: beer on Sunday. Okay. Now, how happy is the devil
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: right now? Because in Dominican Republic resorts, no matter where
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you go, there's a liquor dispenser alike. It's purell. I mean, really, Ashley,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: so listen, I like to open a bottle of wine
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and have a glass out of that bottle. But I
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: have to tell you, even doing that, I am not
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: one to believe that a liquor dispenser where someone has
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: poured liquor into something where you can freely dispense of
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: it wherever you walk in the hotel is a good plan. Again,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: is something nefarious a foot and a person is doing this?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Probably not, but it does add to the concern I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: have that they just have liquor dispensers where anything could
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: end up in that liquor. Okay, my fearless leader, Jason
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Comp is sending me a picture right now. While I
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: pull of a liquor dispenser, he just happens to have
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: one with him. A photo of that. Eka, tell me
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: about the liquor dispensers at hard Rock. Can you understand
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: these are? These are large bottles of alcohol where you
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: can just press a button or put a cup against.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: It's sort of like a water cooler and if you
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: get alcohols from it. Okay, Jason Comp, thank you. Here
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: is quote liquor dispenser in my room. I assume that's
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: your ram Jason picture of hard Rock Hotel and casino. Wow,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: look at that. It looks like Okay, now I understand
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. Ellen. Colorin there. There's a cabinet with
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a glass front, and inside you can see different kinds
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: of liquors. Let me just see what all they've got
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: they claim they have. There's wine, ron, barcello, don't I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: don't know these names, vodka, all sorts of things. They're
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: hanging upside down like an ivy bag. Then they have
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a little spout on them connected to their neck and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the spout comes out of the bottom of the cabinet
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: where you can see what you're getting. But you just
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: kind of turned the spout. Wow, Okay, now I see
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: how it works. Okay, okay, let me go back to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you on this. Tell me about what hard rock is.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Tell me about hard Rock removing these Yes, the hard Rock,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: which has been the location of a few of these
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: stuffs puta kinda has said that they are going to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: remove the alcohol dispensers, but they added the caveat scene.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: This has nothing to do, of course, with anything that's happened,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: but we're just going to go ahead and remove. Now,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends. Stefan Holt at w NBCTV.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: The first time authorities are telling us what they believe
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: happened to a couple from Westchester County and when missing
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: in the Dominican Republic. Belize say they are confident a
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: body found in the Caribbean Sea this week is in
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: fact Orlando More Dominican authorities say he and his girlfriend,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Porsche Ravenel, were drinking before getting behind the wheel. They
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: were driving to the airport to catch a flight home
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: on March twenty seventh. Investigators think they made a wrong
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: turn after going through a highway toll. The car then
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: went off the road, smashing into a tree before plunging
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: into the choppy sea. Ravenel was able to get out
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: of the car, but died a few days later. Dominican
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: beliefe say they don't expect foul play and that they
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: are working with the FBI. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: another tropical vacation ending in tragedy for an American tourist.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: The maid opens the door, screams, slams the door. My
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: brothers on the floor that the body of fifty five
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: year old Joseph Allenham, New Jersey found last Thursday. He
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: just taught me so many things about being a man.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: He was selfless. His brother says he skipped dinner that
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: night after telling friends he was traveling with he wasn't
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: feeling well. Alan was staying at the Tarylinda Resort, where
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: he had stayed many times before. NBC News reached out
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to the resort for comment, but has yet to hear
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: any response. Alan is the ninth American to have died
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: under mysterious circumstances while visiting the island in the past
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: eighteen months. So far, the deaths have not been connected,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: but the popular tourist destination's food and beverage safety now
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: under a microscope. You're hearing our friend, NBC's Morgan Chesky
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: reporting about Joseph Allen from New Jersey found unresponsive, now dead,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: will end and what is happening? Tourism in Dominican Republic
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: plummets after Americans die in the island nation in the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: past year. This is after analyzing over seventeen million flight
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: bookings a day. Cancelations rampant in the last hours. Delta
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: announces it's giving back your money if you want to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: get out of going to Dominican Republic and amazingly, a
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: public safety report I'm getting from the Washington Post says,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic death autopsies are now showing similarities for
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: at least three of the victims. We're waiting for the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: other autopsies to be compared. All three of these victims
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: experience oddly similar symptoms and internal trauma before their deaths. Okay,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: they had internal hemorrhaging, pulmonary edema, and in law large hearts.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: To doctor Michelle Dupree, South Carolina medical examiner, author of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Homicide Investigation Field Guide, can you break that down for me?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: What would cause multiple people to have in large hearts,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: hemorrhaging internally and pulmonary edema? What is pulmonary edema? Edema
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: is actually fluid in the lungs, and that can come
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: from many causes. Drug or toxicology is certainly one of those.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: The rest of these symptoms in this combination are really
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: very odd. Internal trauma or bleeding out that's rare. That
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: could be something like arsenic or wrap poisoning. It can
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: be all sorts of things. This is extremely concerning with
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: so many autopsies, three showing similar condition but pulmonary edema.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Fluid on the lungs can we cause for a lot
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: of different reasons. My dad had that when he passed away,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: so he was not vacationing. A Dominican Republic question. What
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: can make you get fluid on the lungs? Congestive heart
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: failure Most of the time, that comes when the heart
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't pump the way that it should and fluid backs up.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: That can come from heart failure, It can come from
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: drug overdoses. It can come from infection and such as that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: So yes, there are a number of causes and several
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: things that definitely need to be ruled out. Okay, let
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: me understand something to you, Ellen Klaurin. These are three
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of the taxicology reports, and I'm learning that from Washington Post.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: What about the other toxicology reports. Well, that's the thing, Nancy,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: we have so many more questions than we have answers
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: on this. The autop scenes have largely been completed in
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic, and families of the people who died
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: have said publicly that they disagree strongly with some of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the claims that are being made. And it does seem
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: like authorities in the Donic and Republic are dragging their
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: feet about toxicology and that the FBI has needed to
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: get involved in order to get blood samples from some
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: of the people who died under mysterious circumstances. Now, Stephen Lampley,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you can find him at Stephen dot com, crack Detective.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: That's making me mad because the Dominican Republic, as Ek says,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: dragging their feet. I got another word for it, hiding information,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: hiding information, suppressing information about dead Americans. Now we might
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: not know these twelve victims, we may have never heard
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: their names, but I guarantee you they have a family,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: just like I do, and just like you do. It'll
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: be a cold day and you know where before I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: go to them Dominican Republic. But that's just me. Some
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: people may not be worried about it. I am no
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: way am I going to take my twins or let
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: my husband if I could stop him from going there.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, what does this mean? How do you drag
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: your feet on toxicology reports? Did you hear what they
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: just said? The FBI is having to get involved, Nancy.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: The FBI has, and of course their their job. One
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: of their many many tasks is to protect American citizens
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: even abroad. From that, they really took an effect like
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: in the mid nineteen eighties. So they have become involved.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: And I understand they have gotten several blood samples and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: have returned them to Quantico. But it's going to take
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: several weeks before we know anything from that. But I agree,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I will not be I will not be going to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic. And you have to understand, we don't
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: know why kind of undo, maybe even evil influence the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: doctors are having on these medical exams, on these toxicology
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: reports to keep it quiet so they don't interrupt their tourism. Guys,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: when I'm saying each of these victims have a family,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: listen to our friend NBC's Morgan Chewsky. I thought something's
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: not right. My father's a healthy, seventy eight year old
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: recurrent died in January, falling ill after dinner and drinks
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: at the Dreams Resort in Punta Kana. That resort stressed
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: their standards, saying in a statement guest room mini bars
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: are only stalked with sealed bottles of liquor, which are
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: purchased from a single license in bonded vendor less than
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: two years ago, Dominican authorities shut down five labs manufacturing alcohol,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: seizing over a hundred tanks of product unsuitable for human consumption.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: The US State Department has declined to comment on reports
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: that tainted alcohol could be responsible for any of the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: American deaths. You know, when I'm hearing that story, it
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just breaks my heart. When she says her dad was
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: a healthy seventy eight year old, I have those same feelings. Remember,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, when my dad passed away. I know he
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: was in his eighties, but he and I exercise together
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: all the time. I had to run to keep up
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: with him when he walked fast. We would dance together,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: we'd go on vacations together. I would drag him my
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: mom to be with me and David and the twins
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: all the time. He never complained very healthy. So when
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you hear seventy eight, there's a big difference between somebody
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: sitting in a rest home and someone active and up
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and about to suddenly fall ill. You see what I mean, Ashley?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So my mother's eighty four. She does yoga
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: every day, she does headstand. She's in better health than
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I've probably ever been. So I agree with you. It's
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: two very different things, and age doesn't mean that they're
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: not active and energetic and out there enjoying. Why you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: what can you tell me? You guys are gonna shudder
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: when you hear this Ellen colorin about traces of insect
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to side. There is a million dollar lawsuit brought by
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a very young couple against the Bay Principal, which is
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: where we have other deaths happening, and they have said
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: that they have seen a doctor after Calin Noll had
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: very your symptoms of dauzia, blurry vision and what she
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: returned her family doctor told her that she had been
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: exposed to a toxic insecticide. Crime stories with Nancy Grace Tonight,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the State Department monitors yet another investigation of an American
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: tourist who died in the Dominican Republic and whose family
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: is asking questions just to day after her fifty third birthday.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Leila Cox, a radiologist from New York, died from what
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: officials say was a heart attack, but her son claims
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: she was healthy. It's been a NonStop nightmare just trying
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to get her body and her remains back, trying to
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: get answers this after at least eight American deaths in
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the last twelve months at different resorts across the island.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Families all around America asking questions. Nobody give me a
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: solid answer on how she passed away. Everything is being
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: mistracted and miskewed. I get new information every single day.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: It was just two weeks ago when Nathaniel Holmes and
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Cynthia Day seen here kayaking on the island. We're both
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: found dead in a dr resort. Autopsies performed on the
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: island said they died of respiratory failure and pulmonary edema.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: The husband of Miranda Werner says she died after drinking
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: from a mini bar in her room. He and the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: relatives of Nathaniel Holmes and Cynthia Day now wait for
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: toxicology results. Officials they're saying there is no evidence so
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: far that the deaths are connected, and are urging tourists
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: not to rush to judgment while these investigations unfold. Right,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: don't rush to judgment dead bodies, all American tourists in
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic. You're hearing from our friend Gio Benitez
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: at ABC News. But what says the Dominican Minister of
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Health listen scientific there's no speculation. It's as I see
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: footmosis him deeve helped. Doctor Raphael Sanchez Cardeniz says medical
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: reports show the recent American tourist deaths in the country
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: are not related. You know. CBS News was able to
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: look at the records. The minister insists that the autopsies
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: performed on at least eight Americans who died this year
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: showed they had at least one pre existing condition for
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: morbid obesity to hypertension. At least five died of similar symptoms.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: What do we have here, tourists who arrived at the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: pre existing conditions and die in this country as they
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: do in all countries. I feel that, Okay, somebody had hypertension,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: somebody was overweight. What is that like fifty percent of
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: our population, Doctor Michelle Dupre. How would that explain insecticide
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: being in some of the victims bodies? It does not.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: It does not at all explain that in sectified in
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: someone's body has nothing to do with whether they're overweight
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: or any other pre existing con that is something that
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: is extraneous or should not be there. Well, take it wasn't.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Our friends at CBS News Cesar Divarne, spokesperson for the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: dr Foreign Ministration. Tropical paradise in the Caribbean. The Dominican
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Republic is a tourist destination to six point six million
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: vacationers a year, says our Duvernai is a spokesperson for
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the Dominican Foreign Ministry, and insists the deaths are unrelated
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and isolated. What do you say to Americans who feel
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that it is unsafe to visit here? They safe. More
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: than six million people visited and most of them North Americans,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So we don't think it's a good representation. The country
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: is very safe, and the best thing they can do
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: is just to lay out the numbers and the facts.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: There were two other deaths with similar symptoms at those
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: same resorts last year, and the US Embassy here in
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Santa Domingo says at this point there is no proof
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that any of these deaths are in fact related. Okay,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: if there's not a problem, why are they not handing
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: over the autopsies and all of the information. What about
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: that Steve lamp place. You and I agree there's an
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: immense amount of pressure to make these cases not related.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: But then as if you go back and look at
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: these the first six of these deaths and going all
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the way back to twenty sixteen, six of these deaths
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: all happened in one city, and then the next three
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: all happened in another city. This is not random. This
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: is not a bunch of tourists coming to a country, visiting,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: having fun and randomly dying off that. This is not random,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you know. Another issue is, if these are all natural causes,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: why are hotels and casino suddenly removing those replaceable liquorate dispensers.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at CNN. A New
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: York Area man has died while vacationing in the Dominican
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Republic fifty six shold Orrio Caruso, the tenth American tourists
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: to die there in the past year. Carusoe's family was
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: told he died of respiratory distress and possibly a heart attack.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Dominican officials are struggling to reassure worried tourists the deaths
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: are isolated events in time. The Hard Rock Hotel in
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Putakana says it's removing those liquor dispensers from guest room
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: many bars. It says the decision has nothing to do
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: with two deaths that occurred. There nothing to do at
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: all with the deaths. I find that really hard to believe.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: In the last hours, Delta Airlines announces money back if
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: you want to get out of your trip to the
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Dominican Republic, Ellen Colora, what more can you tell me? Yeah? Say,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's really important to note that some of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the claims that are being made in these preliminary autopy
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: reports are not at all matching what the families are
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: saying about medical histories. There's a woman in her fifties
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: from fat n Island who her family said she was
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: told only help the Layla Cox and Dominican authorities have
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: said that she had her autopsy. Her preliminary autopsy showed
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: that she had previous heart attacks. Her family says, no,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: she didn't. Another preliminary reported caned by Fox News for
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Joseph Allen, another man in his fifties from New Jersey,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: says that he was a ticking time bomb and he
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: had the body of an eighty year old. I've read
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: a few autopsy reports and that's not language that I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: typically see in them. You know, another thing, how can
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it be a natural death when a husband and wife
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: are both found dead in their hotel resort room, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: that was at the Grand Principe La Romana Resort in
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Dominican Republic. I'm talking about Daniel Edward Holmes and Cynthia
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: and Holmes, both of them dead according to the autopsy,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: respiratory failure and as doctor Michelle Dupree says, fluid accumulation
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: in the lungs edema. Another one, I think it was
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Cynthia also had cerebral edema. Okay, what's that? What's cerebral edema?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Fluid on your brain? Doctor Dupree? Exactly, That's exactly what
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: it is. And again, all of this is very suspicious.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: One thing that I'd like to point out is when
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: autopsy are done and toxicology is requested, a battery of
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: tests are done for toxins and poisons. But those are
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: standard in most cases. If we don't know what we're
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: looking for, there are other things heavy metals, exotic drugs
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: and things like that that will not be detected if
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: we don't know to ask for them. And this is
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: what's concerning to me, you know, in another thing, I
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: wish you could see them. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com. And
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: we're looking at Nathaniel Edward Holmes and Cynthia and Day.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: She's just forty nine. Now they're not skinny, but they're
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: just normal. They're normal weight. And there they are posing
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: on the back of a boat with the ocean behind them,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: all happy. In Dominican Republic. They're both found dead in
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: their hotel room, their luxury resort hotel room. Well, how
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: can that be natural causes for both of them to die? Well,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I think that's the issues. So if you have one
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: person that seems healthy, you hear all the time about
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: super healthy athletes that do have a heart attack with
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: no history and do pass away. If you had one
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: person maybe too unrelated, that might be plausible. But where
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: they're smoked their fire, they're too many, and like you said,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: for both of them, not think all of these individuals
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: had heart attack. And what did the dr Dominican Republic
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: have to say about a forty nine year old woman
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: in the prime of her life. She's obviously happy and healthy,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: big smile on her face, out on the ocean on
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: the back of an outboard of eka. What they say
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  Speaker 1: about her natural causes the Ministry of Public Health spokesman
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  Speaker 1: said in an interview that Cynthia Day probably died apart
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  Speaker 1: now recently engaged, dead next to her. Okay, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: just a monument. Let me let that sink in. What
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  Speaker 1: did you just say she died of shock? He says. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know what them saying that about Cynthia Day. If
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  Speaker 1: you could see her happy, smiling face out love and
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  Speaker 1: life with her fiance out on the ocean, having a
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  Speaker 1: great time, healthy, exuberant, and they say she died of shock.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that taints every single thing. The Dominican Republic
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  Speaker 1: is saying. I want answers, and don't you know the
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  Speaker 1: families of these dead Americans want answers too. We wait
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  Speaker 1: as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,