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Tom Segura's Intrusive Thoughts _ Storytime with MrBallen · Crime and Horror

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  Speaker 1: So it wouldn't be a mister Bowlin episode if I
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  Speaker 1: didn't tell you a story. Yes, this story isn't really
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  Speaker 1: on the internet. You have to write them a letter
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  Speaker 1: to get access to this story.
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  Speaker 2: You set up like a Bond story.
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  Speaker 3: I had to like request access through headquarters to hear
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  Speaker 3: a story.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know where it's going to go. It's good,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm in dude.
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  Speaker 1: Those stories become fully realized in bad thoughts. But it
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  Speaker 1: seems like you at least had some concepts early.
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  Speaker 2: Some of them have been sent with me for a while.
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  Speaker 4: In part two where he's like, we need to sit
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  Speaker 4: on that toilet together, the reason that that even exists
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  Speaker 4: is I've always loved upsetting my mother, right, and I
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  Speaker 4: know there's things that she doesn't want to ever talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's so good.
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  Speaker 1: He wakes up in the cockpit, has no idea how
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  Speaker 1: long he's been asleep for. Could have been a second,
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  Speaker 1: could have been days, but he's immediately shocked that, holy cow,
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  Speaker 1: I did not.
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  Speaker 2: Crash the plane. That's a great story, all right. Today
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  Speaker 2: is a very special episode.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually trying out a brand new format. But don't worry,
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  Speaker 1: it is not in place of core mister Ballin content.
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  Speaker 1: This is in addition to so we're calling it Storytime
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  Speaker 1: with Mister Ballin, and I'm going to be interviewing a guest.
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  Speaker 1: I've never done that before on any of my shows.
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  Speaker 1: This is the first of its kind, and it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be really good. We're going to look at the art
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  Speaker 1: of storytelling, how my guest employees storytelling. We're gonna tell
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  Speaker 1: some stories, because of course it wouldn't be a Mister
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  Speaker 1: Ballin production if there wasn't actual storytelling. And in fact,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be telling a story that I've never
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  Speaker 1: shared anywhere. It's a really good story. So that's going
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  Speaker 1: to happen today too. And our guest is incredible. He's
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  Speaker 1: got movies coming out, he's doing stand up specials left
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  Speaker 1: and right. He also happens to be a fan of
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  Speaker 1: the strange, dark and mysterious, and I'm really excited to
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  Speaker 1: talk to him about the art of storytelling, swapping some
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  Speaker 1: stories and just seeing what he's all about. So, without
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  Speaker 1: further ado, let's get into today's stories.
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  Speaker 2: This is Storytime with mister Balin. I'm Tom Segura. Tom.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Storytime with mister Balin.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you thank you for being on the show. And
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  Speaker 1: for those who somehow don't know who Tom Sgurr is,
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  Speaker 1: you are arguably one of the hottest comedians both physically
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  Speaker 1: and career wise in the game. You are acting, producing, directing,
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  Speaker 1: You are seriously everywhere right now.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things that I.
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  Speaker 1: Noticed about your sort of performance across mediums is that
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  Speaker 1: you really are like a remarkably good storyteller. Oh thanks, man,
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  Speaker 1: You really have like nailed the art of storytelling, even
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  Speaker 1: though oftentimes when you tell stories it's sort of it
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  Speaker 1: seems sort of effortless. Yeah, but I mean, is that
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  Speaker 1: were you ever sort of intentional about like threading being
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  Speaker 1: a storyteller into your work.
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  Speaker 4: I love storytelling. I've always loved storytelling. I've always been
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  Speaker 4: like very hyper observant of good storytellers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. My mom is like an amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Natural storyteller, Like she has all all the gifts that
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  Speaker 4: you need for great storytelling. And my dad was as
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  Speaker 4: bad as you can get at telling a story, like
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  Speaker 4: the single worst storyteller. A toddler tells better stories. And so,
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  Speaker 4: like you, I think it actually helped to be like,
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  Speaker 4: oh shit, that's really good, and like god, that was
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  Speaker 4: so bad.
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  Speaker 2: He would be like it was in the store, and
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  Speaker 2: then the guy he punched the guy, so cops are
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  Speaker 2: there and you're like, wait, where what happened? And like
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  Speaker 2: her version of that story would be like there was
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  Speaker 2: one hundred people.
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  Speaker 4: In line, which you know is an exaggeration, but like
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  Speaker 4: that's part of storytelling, right, where to punch something up.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, and it was hot, and this man
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  Speaker 2: walked in and he looked dirty. His head was hanging,
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  Speaker 2: so she's like.
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  Speaker 4: Painting a picture and you're like yeah. And then the
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  Speaker 4: other guy he said move and you're telling my dad,
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  Speaker 4: You're like, what about Oh yeah, that guy, You're like, that's.
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  Speaker 2: That's the main guy of the story.
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  Speaker 4: You don't you don't have any think about Oh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: then he can all right, he's dirty.
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  Speaker 2: It's like just.
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  Speaker 4: None of it, like none of the information, leaving out
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  Speaker 4: all the key information.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas she was like a naturally dramatic.
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  Speaker 4: Storyteller, heightening parts of the story, drawing you in telling
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  Speaker 4: like adding color right and then like knowing when to
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  Speaker 4: pull the pin on.
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  Speaker 2: The whole, like just like natural.
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  Speaker 4: What you realize is like when you're a like beginning
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  Speaker 4: as a comic telling stories, is. Actually it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: advanced to get people to come along on a story.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's it if you don't see like year one,
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  Speaker 4: year two comics like oh he's a great storyteller.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's short for him. It's like because you're also
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  Speaker 2: you're just not.
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  Speaker 4: You can't manufacture being a comfortable comic. It have is
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  Speaker 4: because you've done it thousands of times and you have
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  Speaker 4: to have a level of comfortability to be like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna tell you stories.
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  Speaker 1: So do you have like either a favorite or a
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  Speaker 1: go to story that you would use on stage?
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  Speaker 2: It's a joke, but like a story that you love
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  Speaker 2: to tell.
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  Speaker 4: Probably the lost wallet story, because that's a true story.
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  Speaker 4: It's about a guy named Justin Right, a guy who
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  Speaker 4: lost his wallet in a cab.
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  Speaker 2: And the story is.
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  Speaker 4: That I'm sharing the cab with a woman and she
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  Speaker 4: finds the wallet in between us, asks of its mine.
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  Speaker 4: I say it's not, and she's gonna give it to
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  Speaker 4: the driver, and I go, no, give it to me,
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  Speaker 4: I'll give it back to its rightful owner.
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  Speaker 2: And all this happened. I mean, this was in Adams
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  Speaker 2: Morgan and DC.
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  Speaker 4: And then I took it upon myself that I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to return this wallet to its owner, like this righteous
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  Speaker 4: kind of feel good, do the right thing path that
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna and I announced it, so now I feel
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  Speaker 4: even more obligated. And I went through a number like
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  Speaker 4: I put a lot of time into getting this wallet
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  Speaker 4: back to this guy. I do call a bunch of places.
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  Speaker 4: I use all the information I can find in it.
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  Speaker 4: The only person I get a hold of is this
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  Speaker 4: guy's father.
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  Speaker 2: Justin's dad.
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  Speaker 4: And when I tell him I have the wallet, he's
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  Speaker 4: just like he's not going to mount to anything.
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  Speaker 2: What He's like, he's a piece of shit. And I go, okay,
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  Speaker 2: can I give you the wall?
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  Speaker 4: And he hung up the phone. And so that was
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  Speaker 4: like this kind of crazy, you know, closure to this
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  Speaker 4: of like the guys being like, my son sucks. And
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  Speaker 4: then a long while later I'm at I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: still remember it quite vividly. I'm at a lunch place
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  Speaker 4: on M Street in Georgetown and I'm with my cousin
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  Speaker 4: and we sat down and we're just looking over the menu,
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  Speaker 4: catching up and the waiter walks up and I go Justin.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, how do you know my name? And I go, dude,
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  Speaker 4: I have your wallet, and he's like, do you have
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  Speaker 4: an onion? I go, I don't walk around with your
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  Speaker 4: fucking wallet. No, I have my wall, but I actually
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  Speaker 4: have your wallet. And he was like, oh, cool, you
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  Speaker 4: wanted something to drink. And I'm like that's all you're
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  Speaker 4: gonna say about this, dude, like like I found your
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  Speaker 4: wallet in a cab in Washington, DC. Like it makes
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  Speaker 4: me crazy when somebody's reaction to something is like it.
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  Speaker 4: And so I ended up telling him to come meet me,
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  Speaker 4: and he came to the door and I was like expecting,
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  Speaker 4: like now we're gonna connect. I gave him the wallet
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  Speaker 4: and he was like cool, thanks, and then he turned
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  Speaker 4: around and walked away, and I was like, you're a
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  Speaker 4: dad's right, Like you're a piece of shit, and I
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  Speaker 4: shut the door.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny, Like so even just now, like the way
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  Speaker 1: you tell a story is you understand that there are
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  Speaker 1: aspects of the story that I need to appreciate the context, yes,
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  Speaker 1: so that the story matters, and so like that you
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  Speaker 1: just you turned it into.
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  Speaker 4: Like context is like the biggest thing of joke telling too.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes like you watch I watch comedians that you go like, man,
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  Speaker 4: that's really funny. Why isn't that working, Like why doesn't
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  Speaker 4: it work? Because not that it's not funny? And you
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  Speaker 4: go like, oh, you haven't. You need to convey more
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  Speaker 4: information at the top, at the setup for that observation
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  Speaker 4: and joke to work, Like they don't understand what the
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  Speaker 4: joke is about. Yet the only reason you don't know
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  Speaker 4: the joke is about is because you haven't set it
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  Speaker 4: up clearly, like you need context for it to be funny.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, dude, like how are you able
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  Speaker 1: to do all of these things? I mean right now
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  Speaker 1: you're doing stand up specials on Netflix, Like you have
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  Speaker 1: a thousand of those. You have your amazing new show
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  Speaker 1: Bad Thoughts. It's this incredible sketch comedy show on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: And the way I would describe it is like it
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  Speaker 1: starts one way, each of these sketches, Yeah, and it's
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  Speaker 1: beautiful cinematography, and you have a sense of where it's
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  Speaker 1: going to go right, and then it just takes the
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  Speaker 1: most ridiculous detour into just just crazy territory. And it
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  Speaker 1: reminds me of there's this story by Edgar Allan Poe
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  Speaker 1: called The Imp of the Perverse, and I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to get into it, but the gist of the story
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  Speaker 1: is like he writes about this guy who he commits murder.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fictional story.
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  Speaker 1: This guy he commits murder and he gets away with it,
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  Speaker 1: and he can't believe he's gotten away with murder, and
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  Speaker 1: so he becomes obsessed with this idea that like he
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  Speaker 1: got away with it, to the point where he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell someone I got away with murder.
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  Speaker 1: And he begins talking about it, and he eventually gets
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  Speaker 1: himself caught and he gets executed.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like this notion from that.
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  Speaker 1: Story that we all have these like thoughts that are
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  Speaker 1: self destructive, that like, you're standing on the edge of
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  Speaker 1: a building and your fear is not that you'll fall,
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  Speaker 1: it's that you might jump. And I feel like your
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  Speaker 1: show bad thoughts. It sort of encapsulates like the worst
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  Speaker 1: intrusive bad thought that somebody in that scene could act on,
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  Speaker 1: and they do, and it just chases to this extreme level,
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  Speaker 1: like how are you coming up with these stories?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you very much for that. I do
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: I've always felt this thing, and I think it's part
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  Speaker 4: of the release that you feel in comedy right when
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  Speaker 4: you go to it. A lot of times you go
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  Speaker 4: to a show and the big thing is people go, well,
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  Speaker 4: what is it about it?
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  Speaker 2: It's like, well, he says.
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  Speaker 4: The thing that we all want to say, right, like
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  Speaker 4: or the comedian does in some way, and that's like
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  Speaker 4: such a release for an audience that like they're saying it,
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  Speaker 4: they're saying the thoughts. And I've always felt like that
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  Speaker 4: thing that I know, I feel that human beings we
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  Speaker 4: all have dark thoughts, bad thoughts, right, And part of
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  Speaker 4: it is like on an individual basis, part of its
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  Speaker 4: societal norms where you just you have your thought, but
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  Speaker 4: you don't act on it, right, I mean, and then
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  Speaker 4: you just try to like process and then you know,
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  Speaker 4: social media I think is this great example of like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: these are things that nobody will say to your face, right,
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  Speaker 4: But it's like this permission to like and let it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's probably it's a release for people.
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  Speaker 4: To be able to be like I fucking hate you,
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  Speaker 4: like cool, it's really cool because they'll never say it
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  Speaker 4: to you, right. And so in like in coming up
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  Speaker 4: with these stories, it's like, you know, the coffee shop one, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: was one of the was the first thing we shot
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  Speaker 4: a few years back. I actually filmed a few of
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  Speaker 4: the stories a few years. That's how I got the show.
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  Speaker 4: And so coffee shop one was one of the original
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  Speaker 4: ones we filmed before we had a series, and so,
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  Speaker 4: but that is like an example of it's like, wish
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  Speaker 4: everyone has had a bad retail experience right where you're like,
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  Speaker 4: I kill this person. And then it was like, why
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  Speaker 4: don't we just make that like yeah, why don't we
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  Speaker 4: have the person deserve you know, backlash in some way
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  Speaker 4: and just take it over the top. So we just
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  Speaker 4: like went to an extreme place and it's the one
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  Speaker 4: that got the by far, I think the biggest reaction
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  Speaker 4: where people were like writing things to be like yo,
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  Speaker 4: they deserved and like like cool, yeah they did.
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  Speaker 2: They deserve to die for the bad coffee order.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, that's a fun, you know kind of way
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  Speaker 4: to exercise the thoughts is like what if we think
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  Speaker 4: of the thing we've always wanted to say or do
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  Speaker 4: or the impulse in that moment and actually act naked.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, actually I saw in one of your earliest stand
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  Speaker 1: up specials it was completely normal that some of these
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  Speaker 1: ideas that popped up in bad thoughts, like the Steven
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  Speaker 1: Seagal bit. Yeah, and the Barista one that the two
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  Speaker 1: Headed Girl. It's like those stories become fully realized in
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  Speaker 1: bad thoughts, But it seems like you at least had
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  Speaker 1: some concepts early.
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  Speaker 2: Oh some of them been sent with me for a while.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, where or even like the origin the nugget
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  Speaker 4: of the thing that became something else, Like there's a
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  Speaker 4: the whole reason the storyline of the you know, the
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  Speaker 4: the virtual reality.
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  Speaker 5: Guy, it's so good, and that's the second episode, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: because it's a it's a three part story, right, So
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  Speaker 5: there's the there's the office where he gets like disrespected,
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  Speaker 5: then he creates the video game, then you reveal that
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  Speaker 5: it's a game, and then there's.
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  Speaker 4: The the part three where it's like he's become the
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  Speaker 4: successful guy. Well in part two where he's like, we
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  Speaker 4: need to sit on that toilet together. The origin, like
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  Speaker 4: the whole reason, Like what makes me laugh is that
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  Speaker 4: the origin of that, The reason that that even exists
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  Speaker 4: is I've always loved upsetting my mother, right, and I
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  Speaker 4: know there's things that she doesn't want to ever talk about,
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  Speaker 4: and one of them is going to the bathroom. Right,
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  Speaker 4: She just doesn't want to. So I try to say
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  Speaker 4: it as much as possible.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. And like several years ago, I would do
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  Speaker 2: father son.
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  Speaker 4: Trips with my dad's like where I was working adult,
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  Speaker 4: but I was like, he was like, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Let's plan something.
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  Speaker 4: We'd go spend like two three days in Portland, Maine
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  Speaker 4: or something, you know, and then I go back to LA.
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  Speaker 4: But we've been doing those trips for years, and like
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  Speaker 4: even twenty five thirty years ago, I was a teenager
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  Speaker 4: or whatever. I would go on a trip like with
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  Speaker 4: my dad. I get back and my mom was like,
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  Speaker 4: how was the weekend? And I would go, well, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it was great, and I go, you know this one day,
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  Speaker 4: I go, you know, Dad was taking a shit and
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  Speaker 4: she'd go, I don't want to hear this. And I go, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: this is this is actually. She goes, I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to hear this. I go, it's not what you think.
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  Speaker 4: She's like, okay what. I would go, So Dad was
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  Speaker 4: taking a shit and she'd be like, wow, okay, and
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  Speaker 4: I going, you know how when you sit on a
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  Speaker 4: toilet there's like a gap between your legs and she'd go, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I go, so I had to go, And so I
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  Speaker 4: sat in that gap and we went at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: and she'd be like, what the hell is going And
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  Speaker 4: so I would do that to her, like every couple
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  Speaker 4: of years, I would tell her the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: She would never remember that I'd already.
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  Speaker 4: Told her that, oh, you used this, I would use
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  Speaker 4: that exact thing that we went to the bathroom at
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  Speaker 4: this same She was like, this is the most.
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  Speaker 2: Disgusting thing I've ever heard. And I basically wrote a
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  Speaker 2: story where I.
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  Speaker 4: Was like, how can I incorporate going to the baths
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  Speaker 4: of the bathroom?
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  Speaker 2: And that's where we created the Portal World. But it's
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  Speaker 2: all based on that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any concepts material that you do come
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  Speaker 1: back to that you think about that that could work,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't you haven't employed it in a public
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  Speaker 1: way yet.
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  Speaker 4: There is this thing where sometimes you go, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you I've tried things and abandoned them, and then you
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  Speaker 4: find that, like five or ten years later, you go, oh,
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  Speaker 4: there was that joke.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, I'm gonna try it.
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  Speaker 4: Ten years have gone by, so I'm naturally going to
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  Speaker 4: have a like some difference in my approach to saying
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  Speaker 4: it or telling it, and and it's one of those
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  Speaker 4: things where sometimes you go like, holy shit, that works
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  Speaker 4: now like it needed to marinate for a decade, but
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  Speaker 4: it is. I think you you learn to listen as
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  Speaker 4: you listen to yourself, right It's like it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: like you're you're guiding voice internally, right of Like it's
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  Speaker 4: it's the equivalent to like, don't walk down that hallway,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Like I think the thing you have to
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  Speaker 4: work like work on if you're doing this is learning
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  Speaker 4: how to listen to that, listen to yourself, like, hey man,
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  Speaker 4: don't ignore those thoughts. Like I used to think that
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: laziness meant not getting up on stage, But what I
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: learned is that laziness in in comedy, like in stand up,
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: is about all all the times you're not on stage.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: You can get on stage every night and still be
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: a lazy comic. You know, you're lazy if you don't
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: spend some time kind of exploring your own thoughts, jotting
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: down that thing, thinking about like that, think that's the work.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: You know, the work is in those all that time
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: before you.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Get on stage. And so it's it's it kind of
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: surprises you.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Someone could be like, you're not lazy, You're you're doing
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: spots all the time. You're like, no, you're still lazy
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: because you're not doing anything off stage. I mean, one
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: thing that's very clear is you see comedians who are stuck,
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: you know, like they're like, I'm I feel stuck here.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not evolving.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I would bet almost everything that a lot of the
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: people saying that are the ones who are not trying
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: things not not it's like not doing the You always
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: need like new, something new, new is what makes it
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: exciting and moving, and so it's very easy to fall
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: into that. Like you figure out twenty minutes that work
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: or whatever, yep, and you go, I'm just gonna do
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: that because it works, because you get fear of like
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: what if I leave that and I try to come
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: up with new stuff and the new stuff doesn't hit
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: like that. But then the worst thing happens, which is
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: that that twenty minutes that works just starts to weigh
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: on you because it's not exciting or new in any way,
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: and then you slowly kind of die inside.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: That's why you.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Kind of always want to turn things over, Like I
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: feel like you shoot something or you record a special
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: and then you just go, I'm done with it and
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: need I need to come up with more. And then
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: your brain just kind of you know, you beco you
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: generate more because of the necessity.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: The idea of like working on material, like going up
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: on stage to a live audience, yeah, and not even
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: telling them you're doing this, but like trying a new
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: minute or whatever.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is that something that you do?
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, oh yeah, that's I mean, that's the that's
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: the part you get addicted to.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Really, the whole drive of doing stand up.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: It's thinking of something and going I'm gonna try this
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: on stage, and then the build of anxiety of will
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: this work or won't this work? The absolute the euphoria
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: that you feel when it does work is like unlike
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: any other feeling, which is why I think comedians will
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Into their nineties if they live.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: And then the absolute gutting depression you feel when it
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: doesn't is like so it's so powerful that you realize
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: the only way to overcome that feeling is to try
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: something again and.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Hopefully get the other reaction. Wow.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: So I can only speak to my limited I'm not
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: stand up comedy, but I've done stand up storytelling.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: If you yeah, if you have you spoken in front
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: of an audience, yeah, yeah, But.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So in my world, I already know the conclusion of
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: all the stories. I know exactly where it's going to go.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I remember I had one show that I did and
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the audience was literally like so respectful. It was difficult
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: for me to like get into the story because it's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: like so proper, so nice, so quiet. The other crowds
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: were like really reacting to stuff, and it made it
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: so difficult to do the same stories.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I had rehearsed.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine having the blow of them being like dude,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: what was that, and then getting up and doing it again.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: And the thing is there are audiences even sometimes in
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: stand up shows like you don't expect it, but you
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: get It's not like every crowd's the same.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you get these very reserved crowds.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, where you're like used to people with like a
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: lot of energy and they're just like.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Like clapping at the end hm hmmm the bit and
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: you're like Jesus.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: The thing you learn over time is when an audience
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: isn't like super high energy or you go like this
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: audience sucks essentially, yeah, you don't and go hey, like
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: when you're starting out, you're like, why do you guys suck?
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Because you don't realize that sometimes and this is this
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: is true, that audience that was just like they weren't
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: high energy, they had a great time.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Like you don't.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: You don't realize it until you've done this a while
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: that like you'll finish that show and.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: You go, what the fuck was that?
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: And then you run into people and they're like that
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I had the best time at ten and you're like, wow, really,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: because what happens is an audience for the most part,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: they don't they're not referencing this show to thousands of
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: other shows. You are, like, you know that they're down
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: here on the list of audiences.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: They don't know that that's true.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: They're just like like this might be the first show
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: they've gone to in like three years, and they're like,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: this was a great time.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Wow, you're and they'll become aware if you tell them.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: So you're like, just so you know, you suck, and
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: they're like, I thought we were having a good time.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: They just don't have that like level of ter Now
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: the next night you could be in a venue where it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Is just like fireworks.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and those ones you almost want to tell them,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: you guys are unbelievable, Like they don't I don't know
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: if you know this, but you're insanely good.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that you are a consumer of the strange,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: dark and mysterious.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, So it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't be a Mister Ballin episode if I didn't tell
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you a story. Yes, And so we actually looked for
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a story that would specifically resonate with you.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And I'm so excited.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And I also we even the way we got the story,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: this is the context part. This story isn't really on
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the internet, like we heard references to it, and we
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: tried to find the source material for it, but we couldn't,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Like we literally looked, we couldn't find it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: It's a story out of Mexico.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And so we finally had our Spanish language research our
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: track down this library in.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Mexico that had a copy of this story.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: There was a very unique recording and transcript and it's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: being like locally at this library in Mexico. And so
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the way to access the story is you can't just
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: like contact the library. You have to write them a
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: letter to get access to this story, to hear a story,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to just read the transfer a transcript in.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: The story, it's the story.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Without the transcript, not really a good story. You need
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the transcript, you'll see. So we followed their steps. We
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: contact the library and we get access to the story
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and they're like very weary of what we're gonna do
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: with it, but they're like, okay, be careful with this one,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: right because it's like a sensitive story for Mexico.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Okay. So that's the setup.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: So uh, this is by the way, let's just up.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Great setup, great set. I mean, I don't know where
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: it's going to go. It's good, but I'm fucking in dude.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, you just you set up like a Bond story.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I had to like request access through fucking headquarters to
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: hear a story.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: So in June of nineteen seventy six, there's this twenty
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: three year old kid named Rafael Perez and he he's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: training to be a pilot and he's flying, he flies
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: his training missions, if you will. He's a civilian, so
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: he flies his training flights out of this airport and
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: a Chimala kan Mexico. It's about three hours inland from Acopoco.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And this kid he's flown many times, but always with
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: another pilot. So he's learning how to fly a small
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: plane in a Sessna, and on this day in June,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he's going to fly on his own for the first time.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: The flight profile was very simple.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: You're going to take off like you always have, fly
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: in a loop, come back and land, nothing more to it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: You're basically demonstrating you can do it without panicking on
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: your own right. And keep in mind, in nineteen seventy six,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the controls, the instruments inside of the aircrafts were pretty rudimentary,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: like they didn't have GPS systems. It was sort of
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like you had like your compass and you had your altimeter.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: But honestly, a lot of flying was literally dead reckoning,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: like looking out the window and just seeing where you were.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So he takes off at nine to fifteen am. It's
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: June twenty third of nineteen seventy six. He takes off
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: and right away he notices that it's very foggy like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: and this is something he knew on the ground, but
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: from a dead reckoning perspective looking out the window, he's
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: got limited access to reference points on the ground, so
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: he really has not really a good sense of where
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: he is. He's using his instruments and he's sort of
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: guessing when he's supposed to make.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: This turn to bank around to come in and land,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: but on.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: His approach back to the airport he's successfully done this flight.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: He can't quite find.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: The airport, like he's struggling to see it. But at
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a certain point, based on his instruments, he realizes.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: He's off course.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: He's lost, and so he tries calling in with the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: radio back to the control tower to be like, I'm lost,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Like I'm letting you know, it's going to take me
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a minute. He doesn't really hear back from them. It's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: sort of garbled static. And then he realizes, oh, I need.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: To fly back left. I need to go left.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So he takes the yoke the steering wheel and he
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: tries to bank the airplane left.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: But the airplane doesn't go left.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: It just continues flying level at seven thousand feet in
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a straight line. And he's thinking, okay, there's clearly some
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: sort of issue here. It's okay, he's not panicking.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: He hops in the radio and he says, hey, I'm
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: having some issues.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I can't go left. He tried going right. Nothing's affecting
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the plane. It's flying straight at seven thousand feet.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: He hops in the radio. He starts talking like, what
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: do I do here?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I can't do anything to my plane, And as he's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: trying to get a hold of anybody, who's not getting
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: back in touch with him, but we have his voice
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: being recorded into this radio, the plane actually begins to
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: climb and he's not pulling back on the yoke. He's
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: not making the plane climb, but the plane is climbing
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: on its own, and so it begins to climb. And
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the way the fog and mist was is there was
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: like this big, huge cloud that he was basically flying into.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So he's ascending up to like eight nine, ten thousand feet.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: He can't go left, can't go right, He's just.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Going straight up into this cloud, and so he can't
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: see anything. He's like in a void. He's totally panicked.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Now he can't get a hold of anybody in the radio.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: About the time he's totally obscured in the clouds, he
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: feels this overwhelming tiredness come over him.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: And he passes out, passes out in the cockpit.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: He wakes up in the cockpit, has no idea how
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: long he's been asleep for. Could have been a second,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: could have been days. But he's immediately shocked that, holy cow,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I did not crash the plane. I know, I just
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: fell asleep in the plane. But a couple things immediately
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: become clear to him. First of all, his plane still flying,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: He's still in the air, he's still coasting along right,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: but he's back down to seven thousand feet. He was
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: climbing before. Now he's back down to seven thousand feet.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: He also looks out the window and there's no more
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: mist or fog or anything like that. It's actually just
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the open ocean underneath him. And immediately he thinks to himself,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I took off from this airport. That's three hours inland
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: from the coast if I went in a straight line.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: And he looks at his clock and it says eleven
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: thirty took off at nine fifteen ten fifteen, eleven fifteen six,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: two hours and fifteen minutes from the time he took off.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: From doing the math right.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: It's below three hours. What body of water am I over?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: The amount of time that has transpired that apparently I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: was asleep for. Is not enough time for me to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: arrive over any body of water, Let's flashes through his mind.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: In addition to he looks at his gas gauge and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: it's at three quarters tank, and he knew that not
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: only is that way too high, but he wouldn't have
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: had even if he had three hours, he wouldn't have
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: had enough gas to reach any water body. So wouldn't
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: have had enough gas, but have three quarter tank of gas. Also, again,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: how did I get here? I have no idea how
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: got here, has no idea where he is. And as
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: he's like coming to like what's happening here, somebody chimes
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: in over the radio and goes, hey, hey, are you there?
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And he grabs this radio and he's like he's totally frantic.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I fell asleep in my plane. I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: don't know where I am. And there's a pause, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: this is all recorded. There's a pause, and the guy
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: on the other end, he introduces himself sort of cautiously.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: He's like, hey, this is Carlos.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Are you alone in your airplane? And Raphael is like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of course I'm alone, Like where am I?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: What? I think? I fell asleep?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, And Carlos his reaction
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: is just sort of okay, well listen, here's what we're
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: going to do. You're just off the coast of Baca
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Poco and for the last hour you've been flying out
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: over the water. He just kind of showed up right
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and by the way, going back to the timeline, he
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: arrived off the coast of Aca Poco now an hour earlier.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: That was ten thirty in the morning, took off at
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: nine point fifteen. Takes three hours to get there. He
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: apparently did it about an hour and fifteen minutes. So
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: he's circling over the water and Carlos is like, hey,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: just come into the airport where I am.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna gets you in there.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: You're going to land and we'll talk to you then,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and so Raphael is just happy to be alive at
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: this point.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: He comes in.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: He lands at the airport in Acapoco, and as soon
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: as he gets off, there's these people in suits that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: are there to meet him and they immediately take him.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: They detain him, put him in like a black car.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: He's asking what's going on. Nobody knows or they don't
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: tell him, and they drive him to a hospital and
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: he's the whole time saying, I'm so sorry about the craft.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Please tell the where I flew out of that I'm
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: sorry about the craft. I hope it's not damaged. They
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: bring him to the hospital, They drug test him right away.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: He's not on drugs, he's sober, and they also have
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: a psychologist come in and they give him a profile,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: make sure he's sane, and she determines that he is.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And so the whole time Rafael has no idea what's happening.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: He doesn't know what they're doing. He doesn't understand any
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: of this, and so finally they say, okay, we're going
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: to tell you what happened. So, when you showed up
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: off the coast of Bacca Poco at about ten thirty
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: in the morning, which no one understands how you got there,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: it's not possible. You showed up on the radar screen
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of who you were talking to, Carlos, the air traffic
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: control guy, and he talked to you for an hour
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: while you were out over the water. That whole time
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you were circling, you were talking to him, and it
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: was recorded.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to read to.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: You the first thing that Rafael said to Carlos, and
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you're going to see in a minute.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Why Carlos's first question.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: When Rafael came to is there somebody else in the plane,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: he said in a very deep, almost robotic voice. When
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Carlos saw this blip on his radar at ten thirty,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: said hey, who is this.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: You're flying over Acapocos Coast. What's going on here?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: The voice came back and said, the pilot is speaking,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: but not of his own free will. We are using
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: him as a microphone. Your equipment is too primitive. It
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: is not important to who we are or where we
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: come from, only that we are inhabitants of the same universe.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: For the next thirty to forty five minutes, the voice
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: being projected through Rafael talked about humanity is the only
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: intelligent species in the entire universe that uses warfare and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: conducts violence on each other, and you are poised for
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: a nuclear holocaust and you may be exterminated if this continues.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: And then at about eleven thirty, Rafael wakes up and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: his voice changed completely, and he said, oh.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: What's going on? I think I fell asleep at the wheel.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And that's why Carlos is like, wait a minute, I've
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: been talking to you for an hour, and he's because
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: somebody else in the craft with you, right, no one
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: has any idea how Rafael wound up over the coast.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: They examined his plane. Nothing wrong with this plane. It
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: really was three quarter tanks of gas. Didn't make sense
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: how it got there. Nobody knows.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Rafael has no idea how he got there. And the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Mexican government.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Quickly took this story, buried it, and now I can
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: only access it in this obscure library in Mexico.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: That's a great story. So what's your take on what happened?
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: First of all, great job telling the story.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I mean there is only one summary you could get.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: You know, either of this is like a I guess
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: it's too it's either a bipolar or schizophrenic who is
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: having a pretty crazy episode, or there's another being involved,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: which is more exciting and more entertaining because we're in
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: the era now of the government being like, yeah, we
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: have we have stuff, and we have aliens and they've
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: been here and.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Other places have them too.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: And most people just go oh cool, Like the thing
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: that we used to make a movie about as being like,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: can you imagine if there were aliens?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And everybody would go like that'd be fucking wild. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: then now we're like, yeah.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: We have them, and everyone's like, yeah, it's very strange, right,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: like that there's like congressional testimony I know about aliens.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Nobody's heart even skipped a beat.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I thought we would all stop and be like, no way,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: nobody cares.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I know some of the footage that's been released that
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: some of the videos of these apparent UFOs. Yeah, I mean,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: either it's an incredible cgi, which is entirely possible, but
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I think the idea that there's just like widespread conspiracy
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: by the government to dupe us into believing that maybe
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: there are that these aren't real or something.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense to me. No, doesn't.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Do you believe in aliens, I mean extraterrestrials life outside
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: of humans.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: So for me it was always like when you have
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: and I don't even have the full comprehension of it,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: but when you have some grasp of the idea of
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: the size of our galaxies in the universe, it becomes
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: For me, it just always felt like too arrogant to
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: be like.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: It's just us. Yes, I stand with you firmly on
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: that point.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And then like I think the natural thing is
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: that used to become naturally more curious. You know, my
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: wife is a huge like dude, it's all day. She's like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: you know what this guy just said about UAPs. I'm
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: like I don't know, and she gives me like like
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: the She'll read back.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: The transcript from like the Senator and I'm like, wow,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: that's pretty wild, that's pretty good.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: But honestly, it's made me realize that it is a
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: more exciting thing to like think about and talk about.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And then I mean, I.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Think the natural thing is like it feels like it's
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: almost like being crumbed out for us.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, but where's the where's the next thing? Right?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Like when are we gonna see or hear from something?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: You know, like you just want more that point exactly.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I think it was Neil Dacross Tyson who gave this example.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was him, the astrophysicist guy. Yeah,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: he was like, humans think that if there were alien life,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: extrarustrial life on Earth that effectively we believe we could
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: just simply identify it, that you would view it as
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: like a three dimensional being, let's say.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: But he was like, think of it this way. What
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: are the odds or should say?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: When you walk down the street and there is an
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: ant on the ground. Are you like, I want to
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: get down there and talk to that ant? No, you
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: might step on the ant. You might not even notice
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the ant go even lower than that to like algae,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: are you like looking to communicate with algae? No, what's
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: to say that we are not equivalent to an ant
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: or algae to other beings? Suggesting if there were higher
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: beings on this planet, it's very arrogant to say we
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: would simply one they'd be interested in us?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Are you interested in algae?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Or two that we could even recognize them as anything
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: close to what we are? Algae and humans couldn't be
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: more different in terms of their makeup, and so it's
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: like they could absolutely be here, but they're four dimensional.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Imagine the aliens watching like there's just like trying to
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: figure out and they just pull up this clip and
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: there's just like like these two fucking ants like talking
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: about the dumbest shit too. We want to waste our
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: time with these morons. Also, there's also the theory that
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: it becomes you know, it feels like fantasy, but I
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: don't know, you can let your mind kind of embrace
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: the idea that certain humans you're like, that's a reptilian
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: like you know what I mean, Like that's a like
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: these evil like these like innately evil seeming people. Yeah,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: and I don't know that they're already here. You're like,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: it's kind of fun to to play with that idea.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I like to believe. Man, Yeah, it do fun. It's fun.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: So for you, I mean, I I you've been successful
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: in so many different mediums.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: You know, you just got renewed for season two of
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Bad Thoughts. It was amazing. You've sort of done like
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: all of it. What's the next chapter? Like you described evolving,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've done a lot of that. What's next? Honestly?
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: It's uh, I mean, I keep doing as many of
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: those things as you can. And then it's I have
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: a movie this summer. I'm really excited to do. I've
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: always loved movies, Like, I'm a huge fan of cinema,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: and so for me, it's like I feel like I
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: won the lottery where I get to, like, I get
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: to do a movie.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: This is so awesome. I'm so excited to do it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Can you tell us anything about the movie? Yeah, I
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: mean it's a cartel comedy.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I get to play more than one character, gets play
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: two characters, which is like it just feels insane that
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: they're allowing me to do this.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: And it's really really funny script. It's so ridiculous.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: And it's a it's an R rated comedy. It's wild,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: it's wild, it's fun. But it also has like a
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: lot to me, like the thing that I loved about
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: great comedies growing up, especially like R rated comedies. Yeah,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: was like you almost take the comedies for granted, that
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: the comedic parts of it. It's like you have to
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: have great story supporting the comedy. Like it's almost like
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: you go, like, I know this is gonna be funny,
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: but is the story a good story? And I think
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: this is a really good story that has like great dynamics,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: great characters, and it's outrageously funny, but you still care
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: for this main character. And I mean, I'm talking to
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: you about six weeks before we shoot.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I heard if they'll definitely cut this up and plan
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: and if we make a piece of so good. But
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I'm very excited to do it. I'm so excited.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: So that's to me, like the most exciting thing about
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: like what's next. I'm like, I'm so stoked to do this.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: I've always been I moved to LA when I was
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: twenty two, thinking that like, I'm gonna have a movie
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: career forty six, I'm gonna do a movie.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do Congratulations and seriously, you need to check
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: out Bad Thoughts.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Flick Season two is very exciting. I look forward to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: your movie. You're the Man, dude.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Sure Man Loud, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: H