Latest / I Am All In with Scott Patterson / You're going away? (A Year in the Life: Summer)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: I am all in more.
- 0:07Speaker 2: How Let's kiss you?
- 0:17Speaker 3: I am all in with Scott Patterson and I Hurt
- 0:19Speaker 3: Radio Podcast.
- 0:22Speaker 2: I've been watching the Gimboot shoot.
- 0:28Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't know what's going on. Amen. Can you
- 0:35Speaker 1: feel me, Jackiet? Can you feel me? I don't know
- 0:41Speaker 1: what's going on. Sometime I get so confused.
- 0:45Speaker 3: Help me out of this gimbol run. I don't know
- 0:51Speaker 3: what I'm watching half the time. No more, He'll wake
- 0:56Speaker 3: me up. Give me a little tree now. I want
- 1:00Speaker 3: to find my soul.
- 1:02Speaker 4: Goom Hey, hey, everybody, it's me.
- 1:13Speaker 1: I'm all in podcast, one of our productions iHeart Radio
- 1:18Speaker 1: Media and iHeart Podcasts, and we are gonna break down
- 1:23Speaker 1: summer with Amy Sugarman I Heeart Podcasts. Listen on the
- 1:29Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app.
- 1:33Speaker 5: That was a very fitting moment because summer, poor, summer summer.
- 1:41Speaker 1: I'm going to shock you.
- 1:43Speaker 2: Oh no, you're gonna tell me you loved it. Oh
- 1:46Speaker 2: my god, You're gonna literally tell me.
- 1:47Speaker 1: I'm gonna shock you. I'm ready, I gotta tell you.
- 1:54Speaker 1: As a piece of comedy, I thought it was kind
- 1:59Speaker 1: of brilliant because Amy, Amy, Amy, what else are they going?
- 2:04Speaker 1: Here's what Dan Palladino communicated to me as an artist,
- 2:09Speaker 1: He communicated to me, what else can we do with
- 2:13Speaker 1: these characters? The story is virtually told, Okay, the storytell
- 2:20Speaker 1: What do we do with the storytelling? Where do we
- 2:22Speaker 1: take these characters? It's nine years later, Rory's thirty two.
- 2:29Speaker 1: The mother daughter thing ain't working no more, right, it's not.
- 2:34Speaker 1: She's thirty two.
- 2:35Speaker 2: They have a big fight, so there's always a mother fight.
- 2:38Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm talking about the vibe of the show. Yeah, yeah,
- 2:42Speaker 1: it's like everybody's just too old now compared to what
- 2:47Speaker 1: it was. So what are they gonna do?
- 2:49Speaker 6: Right?
- 2:49Speaker 5: Right, Well, clearly they're going to get Sutton Foster a
- 2:53Speaker 5: show because the who was brilliant?
- 2:56Speaker 1: Who was that?
- 2:57Speaker 2: Crollier is great?
- 2:58Speaker 5: So you can tell that they loved her on bun Heads, right,
- 3:02Speaker 5: and that Bunheads, for what reason, only goes one season.
- 3:07Speaker 5: But this episode is so much Sutton Foster that there
- 3:12Speaker 5: is a moment where you're like, I'm not watching Gilmore
- 3:14Speaker 5: Girls because I'm literally watching Sutton Foster.
- 3:18Speaker 2: But here's a Broadway show.
- 3:19Speaker 1: Here's a thing. By that time, Amy and Dan had
- 3:23Speaker 1: moved to New York, right, so they were having all
- 3:26Speaker 1: of these theater experience. I'm sure they were seeing off Broadways.
- 3:29Speaker 1: I'm sure they were seeing if the Wooster group is
- 3:31Speaker 1: still around, and I don't think. I don't know if
- 3:33Speaker 1: it is. They're going down to see uh, they're going
- 3:35Speaker 1: downtown to see experimental theater. There's all kinds of really
- 3:38Speaker 1: vital live theater going on in that city at any
- 3:41Speaker 1: given time. They're going to Joe Allen's, They're going to
- 3:44Speaker 1: hang out with the theater people. They're going to the
- 3:46Speaker 1: public they're going to that's still around. I don't even
- 3:49Speaker 1: know if it's around.
- 3:49Speaker 5: They've clearly got Missus Mazel maybe in there, sure their
- 3:54Speaker 5: gut because there's so many sort of undertones of what
- 3:58Speaker 5: becomes Missus from this right.
- 4:02Speaker 1: So here they've got these new relationships or these long
- 4:07Speaker 1: standing relationships that they want to explore with Sutton and
- 4:11Speaker 1: other people that pop up in the case.
- 4:13Speaker 5: There's another Bunhead's actor in this, in the in the
- 4:16Speaker 5: thirty something group who did go on to also be
- 4:20Speaker 5: a part of Masel.
- 4:21Speaker 2: So you see, like, oh wow, okay.
- 4:23Speaker 1: Right, this is this is a passing of the torch
- 4:26Speaker 1: in a way to an older generation of Gilmore characters
- 4:32Speaker 1: and the kind of indecision. It's like the characters were
- 4:37Speaker 1: having their own midlife crisis, all at the same time,
- 4:42Speaker 1: and pretty much in the same way. Because everything in
- 4:45Speaker 1: this episode, the world of Gilmore is falling apart. The
- 4:50Speaker 1: structure that we knew, it's just all gone. It's falling apart.
- 4:55Speaker 1: And if it's if it's not gone already, it's it's
- 4:58Speaker 1: disintegrating before our eyes.
- 5:00Speaker 2: Can we say evolving?
- 5:02Speaker 1: Listen, that's a kind word for it. But look, look
- 5:06Speaker 1: all of all. I wasn't captivated by the beginning. I
- 5:09Speaker 1: thought this is clunky and it ain't working cool.
- 5:12Speaker 2: Stuff is just brutal.
- 5:14Speaker 1: But as a piece of experimental theater, it works and
- 5:18Speaker 1: it's funny.
- 5:19Speaker 2: So let's okay talking about the book.
- 5:21Speaker 1: But we don't recognize the style, the tone, it's different,
- 5:26Speaker 1: it's all different.
- 5:27Speaker 5: So I love the fact that we went to the pool,
- 5:30Speaker 5: right like, oh, that's awesome, something new and stars follow.
- 5:33Speaker 2: I actually liked you as the lifeguard.
- 5:35Speaker 5: I thought the bit about the snack shack or whatever
- 5:38Speaker 5: it was called was actually funny. My beef about the pool,
- 5:41Speaker 5: which of which there are many, I will.
- 5:43Speaker 2: Start with two.
- 5:45Speaker 5: I can't with the shaming, the body shaming. It was
- 5:49Speaker 5: so inappropriate. They would never do that to Scott, they
- 5:53Speaker 5: would never do that to a female character.
- 5:55Speaker 1: It didn't age well. It was rough, but you know what,
- 5:59Speaker 1: that's what you know, the world changed radically, and yeah,
- 6:05Speaker 1: that stuff is no longer acceptable.
- 6:07Speaker 5: So it wasn't true to Rory and Lorelai. They are
- 6:10Speaker 5: funny and sarcastic.
- 6:12Speaker 2: They are not mean, and in that they were mean,
- 6:16Speaker 2: and I'm like, they would never be mean. They're not mean,
- 6:20Speaker 2: and so that really.
- 6:23Speaker 1: It's okay. So here here's what it seemed like to me. Okay,
- 6:27Speaker 1: the first part of this episode, this ninety minutes, I
- 6:31Speaker 1: break it up into three parts. It was it was,
- 6:36Speaker 1: you know, it started off kind of sitcom on me
- 6:38Speaker 1: because everything felt like a sitcom. It felt kind of
- 6:41Speaker 1: stilted and.
- 6:42Speaker 2: Sitcom be at a little camp It was kind of.
- 6:44Speaker 1: Heightened to the point where it's campy and just didn't like,
- 6:48Speaker 1: it's not real, okay, because you know, you know, especially
- 6:53Speaker 1: the acting coming out of Alexis at the top of
- 6:58Speaker 1: this brutal with this, with the Southern bell stuff, just
- 7:02Speaker 1: it wasn't working okay, But as a stilted sitcom it did,
- 7:07Speaker 1: so for me. It went from sitcom to like a
- 7:10Speaker 1: bad sitcom, like a Broadway to you know, sort of
- 7:15Speaker 1: experimental theater.
- 7:16Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question.
- 7:17Speaker 1: Then it turned into a kind of a really compelling
- 7:19Speaker 1: drama where I felt like Dan really hit his stride
- 7:23Speaker 1: and he was saying what he wanted to say.
- 7:25Speaker 2: It got better, I'll give you that lot better.
- 7:28Speaker 1: A lot change styles. It changed styles throughout. Interesting piece
- 7:33Speaker 1: of work.
- 7:33Speaker 2: Interesting, Yes, yes, it'll be.
- 7:35Speaker 5: This will probably be one of our most interesting conversations,
- 7:38Speaker 5: which is why we're starting with just us and then
- 7:40Speaker 5: later on, you know, everyone's going to join as we
- 7:43Speaker 5: break it down scene by scene, because I really wanted
- 7:45Speaker 5: to hear what you thought. Okay, I have so many
- 7:47Speaker 5: questions for you. First though, did you hate or like
- 7:51Speaker 5: the musical?
- 7:52Speaker 6: Not?
- 7:52Speaker 1: Did you enjoy beyond description? Loved beyond description because it
- 8:01Speaker 1: made me laugh out several times. I rewound some of
- 8:05Speaker 1: the great lines coming out of Sutton and the other actor,
- 8:10Speaker 1: the Broadway actor who was faniastic, and I just I
- 8:14Speaker 1: roared at the I like, I like where Dan's head
- 8:19Speaker 1: goes with his with the absurd nature of his comedy
- 8:25Speaker 1: archives and the way he puts everything together. I just
- 8:28Speaker 1: I found it hysterically funny. I really did.
- 8:32Speaker 5: I remember watching it eight years ago and thinking this
- 8:35Speaker 5: is meanful.
- 8:37Speaker 2: Why am I watching?
- 8:38Speaker 5: And I was a fan of Bunhead, so I knew
- 8:40Speaker 5: I loved Sutton Foster and Bunhead, so I was down
- 8:43Speaker 5: with Sutton Foster being you know in the show. It
- 8:46Speaker 5: was way too long. I mean I watched the whole musical.
- 8:49Speaker 5: It was number after number, and I was lora LILRELI
- 8:54Speaker 5: is like, what is this garbage?
- 8:56Speaker 1: Yeah? But what did she? She almost said the effort
- 8:58Speaker 1: in the top member when Shutton turns around the first
- 9:00Speaker 1: time and and we cut to Lauren, she goes, what
- 9:04Speaker 1: the fuh? Okay?
- 9:09Speaker 2: He was good because she was me. I was like,
- 9:11Speaker 2: what is this? It just was so long, though, Scott,
- 9:15Speaker 2: it was.
- 9:16Speaker 1: So for me. I could have sat there all night
- 9:19Speaker 1: and watched what. I loved every moment of that. I
- 9:25Speaker 1: rewound it and I watched it again. No, I just
- 9:28Speaker 1: appreciate how difficult it is to act and write something
- 9:36Speaker 1: and direct something that's supposed to be bad but it's
- 9:39Speaker 1: actually really entertaining. How are you and make it funny
- 9:44Speaker 1: like that? That is I mean to me that some
- 9:47Speaker 1: of the best writing Dan has executed in this entire series.
- 9:56Speaker 1: It was like, yes, I mean he wrote the lyrics
- 10:00Speaker 1: to those songs.
- 10:02Speaker 5: The concept, now, that part's pretty amazing. But yet it's
- 10:04Speaker 5: so bad and I didn't want it. But like I
- 10:08Speaker 5: didn't want it.
- 10:09Speaker 1: I wanted the whole thing to be that. I wish
- 10:11Speaker 1: the whole thing was that. And I think the absurdity
- 10:13Speaker 1: of the beginning with the Southern bell stuff got us
- 10:16Speaker 1: a little lubricated for it, you know what I mean,
- 10:18Speaker 1: It's like here it comes.
- 10:20Speaker 2: Okay.
- 10:22Speaker 1: Of course I shouldn't have said lubricated. That is a
- 10:24Speaker 1: very bad choice.
- 10:28Speaker 5: First of all, I think in the first part of
- 10:29Speaker 5: the show, they're at the pool and they're still sort
- 10:32Speaker 5: of themselves. I think it's when we go back to
- 10:34Speaker 5: the pool that they're like the Southern bells with the
- 10:37Speaker 5: two kids. That was weird too, the two kids like
- 10:41Speaker 5: holding the umbrellas and opening their drinks and like marching
- 10:44Speaker 5: them through town.
- 10:45Speaker 2: It was just extraordinarily bizarre.
- 10:48Speaker 1: But what I liked about it is that is that
- 10:51Speaker 1: Dan Okay, Dan had an idea. He went to the
- 10:55Speaker 1: end of that idea. It's like a choice that you
- 10:58Speaker 1: make in acting. If you're going to make a choice,
- 11:00Speaker 1: go to the end of it. Commit to it, and
- 11:02Speaker 1: that's what I appreciate. This is what I appreciated so
- 11:05Speaker 1: much about this episode is that that Dan committed to
- 11:09Speaker 1: the vision and sometimes it didn't work so well and
- 11:14Speaker 1: other times it worked beautifully. And I love risk taking
- 11:18Speaker 1: in art because that's what it's all about.
- 11:21Speaker 2: And it's terrible. Though it's terrible, it's not okay, So
- 11:25Speaker 2: let's talk about a few more of.
- 11:28Speaker 1: Art. It was. It was courageous and oftentimes brilliant.
- 11:32Speaker 5: A couple of notes about the top. So we do
- 11:35Speaker 5: see that Laurels reading Wild. We see that Laurel is
- 11:38Speaker 5: reading Wild.
- 11:38Speaker 1: Yes, we see that.
- 11:39Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I hate the whole Wild thing. I
- 11:42Speaker 2: hate that She's like, I'm going to do wild? Do Wild?
- 11:46Speaker 1: What?
- 11:46Speaker 2: So? So that just and so that's my cringe on
- 11:50Speaker 2: the next episode.
- 11:52Speaker 1: I just think that's Dan and Amy. Look, you got
- 11:56Speaker 1: to break everything apart to put it back all together again, right,
- 11:59Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's true. Storytell let's let's let's give you know,
- 12:03Speaker 1: the audience the fear of death, that these characters are
- 12:07Speaker 1: going away, and Michelle's going away, Suki's not there, everybody's
- 12:11Speaker 1: losing their minds and Logan's history and they break up
- 12:15Speaker 1: and it's all just coming apart at and Laurel. I
- 12:19Speaker 1: won't give permission for Rory to write the book, and.
- 12:22Speaker 2: It's we'll talk about it.
- 12:26Speaker 1: I mean it was. And you know Emily, Emily's got
- 12:28Speaker 1: a new boyfriend and everybody's freaking out, and Louis, you
- 12:34Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
- 12:35Speaker 5: You make a great point, right, this is the crumbling. Okay,
- 12:38Speaker 5: So let's talk about a few things. First of all,
- 12:40Speaker 5: I felt Jess Milow was totally underutilized in this episode.
- 12:45Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I.
- 12:45Speaker 1: Mean it was. It was. It was an odd scene
- 12:48Speaker 1: because and I know we're jumping around, but the thing
- 12:50Speaker 1: that really jumped out at me is keep going jump around.
- 12:53Speaker 1: They haven't seen each other in four years and she
- 12:56Speaker 1: doesn't even get up to give him a hug.
- 12:58Speaker 2: This was bizarre and reveal. I love that he suddenly
- 13:01Speaker 2: is revealed, but.
- 13:02Speaker 1: Where's the like, hey, friend, where's the hug?
- 13:05Speaker 2: Well, and first of all, she loves him. The last
- 13:08Speaker 2: we left off, she loved him so like, yeah's hug,
- 13:14Speaker 2: where's the connection? That was so odd?
- 13:17Speaker 1: It was and the scene itself was so awkward.
- 13:20Speaker 2: And also the stars Alow Gazette is a cool thing. Right,
- 13:24Speaker 2: it's always been a cool paper.
- 13:26Speaker 5: There's no way like three one hundred year olds are
- 13:29Speaker 5: working at the stars like the paper was cool, So
- 13:31Speaker 5: it's like.
- 13:32Speaker 2: Make it a little bit more cool.
- 13:33Speaker 5: I do love the idea that to me, there was
- 13:37Speaker 5: something there there, right, like, oh, she's going to go
- 13:39Speaker 5: and run the paper and let's see what happens from that.
- 13:42Speaker 2: Like, don't make it so lame anyway.
- 13:45Speaker 1: Here's another thing about the rory is she's drinking like
- 13:49Speaker 1: a fish. Every time you turn around, she's pouring another
- 13:51Speaker 1: glass of whiskey for it herself. So these are characters
- 13:54Speaker 1: we don't recognize anymore. They're going into places we don't
- 13:57Speaker 1: want them to go, right, And that's part of the
- 14:00Speaker 1: brilliance of it, because, man, are you're really deconstructing this
- 14:04Speaker 1: show you're putting in this I mean that theater, those
- 14:08Speaker 1: theater numbers were better by a magnitude than any film
- 14:14Speaker 1: by Kirk and the only Apples and Oranges. That's Apples
- 14:20Speaker 1: and Oranges. Well, listen, it just the amount of rehearsal
- 14:25Speaker 1: that took, the years and years and years of practice
- 14:32Speaker 1: from Sutton to get to that point.
- 14:34Speaker 5: Fact you're coming at it from a different perspective, right,
- 14:38Speaker 5: you're looking at as like this amazing production, and Dan
- 14:41Speaker 5: wrote a full musical within a Gilmore Girls episode, and
- 14:45Speaker 5: Sutton Foster is amazing. All of that is true. For me,
- 14:48Speaker 5: it was just like, what am I watching? This is
- 14:50Speaker 5: not Gilmore Girls.
- 14:51Speaker 2: I don't like this. I'm totally bored by twenty minutes
- 14:55Speaker 2: of a music.
- 14:56Speaker 1: Don't you think that Amy and Dan felt the same
- 14:59Speaker 1: way nine years later. They're artists, they're creating new things.
- 15:05Speaker 1: They want to do new things, they want to challenge
- 15:07Speaker 1: themselves to do new and go in different areas. Now
- 15:10Speaker 1: they're doing this. They agreed to do it. So the
- 15:12Speaker 1: only thing that's going to keep them interested in doing
- 15:14Speaker 1: it is to experiment with these characters and see what
- 15:18Speaker 1: they can do with these characters. Now, we may or
- 15:21Speaker 1: may not agree or like what happened to some of
- 15:24Speaker 1: the characters some of the times, but we're talking about Summer,
- 15:28Speaker 1: and I'm talking about two writers who are talented beyond belief,
- 15:35Speaker 1: who were pretty much given free reign, and I think
- 15:38Speaker 1: they took it right up to the limit where you know,
- 15:41Speaker 1: Warner Brothers or Netflix is going to say or start
- 15:44Speaker 1: giving notes again and saying you guys, are going over
- 15:47Speaker 1: the line here, we can't accept this kind of writing.
- 15:50Speaker 1: And I think they took it right up to the
- 15:52Speaker 1: edge about where they could get away with. I don't
- 15:54Speaker 1: really know how much autonomy they had. I'm sure they
- 15:56Speaker 1: had a lot, and that was part of their deal.
- 16:00Speaker 2: Like Netflix would have let them do whatever they want.
- 16:02Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of I'm kind of in that camp
- 16:04Speaker 1: as well. And I think they just had they wrote
- 16:08Speaker 1: the pieces that interested them and expressed the characters expressed.
- 16:14Speaker 1: They expressed themselves to their characters the way they wanted
- 16:17Speaker 1: to do it and what they wanted to say, characters
- 16:20Speaker 1: that they felt were underdeveloped, like Paris maybe a little bit.
- 16:25Speaker 1: And let's see, And isn't she going to be more
- 16:27Speaker 1: fun to write for nine years later than than than Rory? Right?
- 16:33Speaker 1: Or you know what I'm saying.
- 16:34Speaker 5: So there's they think they're definitely struggling with what to
- 16:37Speaker 5: do with Rory.
- 16:39Speaker 1: Well there's not What can you do?
- 16:41Speaker 2: Right, It's just like a mess. It's kind of a mess.
- 16:43Speaker 5: Right, Well, you could have done a lot of things.
- 16:45Speaker 5: Have her be with Logan, that was some that would
- 16:49Speaker 5: have been an option. I don't know, have her be
- 16:51Speaker 5: with Logan.
- 16:52Speaker 1: Now I understand why they did what they did, because
- 16:55Speaker 1: there's no way after how many reunit union movies or
- 17:01Speaker 1: TV films have you seen that are so dead on
- 17:06Speaker 1: with what they used to do, trying to mimic what
- 17:09Speaker 1: used to be, and the characters are twenty years older,
- 17:12Speaker 1: they're ten years older, and it just doesn't work, and
- 17:15Speaker 1: it's a really lame attempt. At least they attempted something different,
- 17:19Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They showed artistic courage, They
- 17:22Speaker 1: went to the integree in some of these characters.
- 17:34Speaker 2: It brings to mind what they did with Sex and the.
- 17:36Speaker 5: City, because you're the reboot is very, very different than
- 17:42Speaker 5: the original, and a lot of people were like shook
- 17:45Speaker 5: up by that, But I think you're correct and that
- 17:48Speaker 5: it really doesn't work if you don't evolve it in
- 17:52Speaker 5: some way. That being said, okay, let's sort of talk
- 17:55Speaker 5: a little bit more. First of all, the logan stuff,
- 18:02Speaker 5: it's compelling, but it's also like just a it's just
- 18:08Speaker 5: you're right, it's so it's sort of heartbreaking and crumbling
- 18:12Speaker 5: and messy.
- 18:14Speaker 1: Well, he's a guy who made a choice and he
- 18:18Speaker 1: put it all out there on the line, and he
- 18:21Speaker 1: got rejected and he moved on with his life and.
- 18:25Speaker 5: What do you think about the fact that he wants
- 18:26Speaker 5: to fully have an affair with Rory.
- 18:28Speaker 2: He's like, nothing has to change.
- 18:30Speaker 1: They're in love. What's wrong with Yeah, but it's just
- 18:32Speaker 1: it's just also mess It's but you know, do we
- 18:37Speaker 1: want to sit around and watch morality all day? No?
- 18:39Speaker 5: I've enjoying that storyline a lot. And actually, I will
- 18:45Speaker 5: tease that my favorite part of the entire four movies
- 18:50Speaker 5: is coming in the next episode with Logan anyway, But
- 18:55Speaker 5: it's just messy.
- 18:56Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking. Rory is a mess, right.
- 18:59Speaker 5: I did find it though in the in the opening
- 19:01Speaker 5: scene when everyone's like, welcome back, welcome back.
- 19:05Speaker 2: I'm not back. I'm not back, like you're back.
- 19:08Speaker 1: Rory, and yeah, that got a little old they went.
- 19:11Speaker 2: I still found that amusing.
- 19:13Speaker 1: I mean, the first three scenes it was all about
- 19:14Speaker 1: I'm back, I'm not back, I'm not back. Okay, we
- 19:17Speaker 1: got it, we got it.
- 19:18Speaker 2: Right, and then so what did you Okay, so let's
- 19:20Speaker 2: talk about April. So April, what do you think about.
- 19:22Speaker 1: I thought it was great.
- 19:24Speaker 2: You know, look again again, I think she's free.
- 19:27Speaker 1: Great, she's great, she's awesome actress, her comedic timing, is great.
- 19:33Speaker 1: She was funny. Her freak out in the bedroom again,
- 19:37Speaker 1: it was like, this is where they're taking this character.
- 19:42Speaker 1: This is a little it still doesn't feel. It's odd
- 19:49Speaker 1: to see these characters who are so good at wearing
- 19:52Speaker 1: that mask in life but then sort of being loose
- 19:57Speaker 1: and free around each other. Everybody seems to be breaking down.
- 20:00Speaker 1: It's like all of a sudden, she's in a room
- 20:02Speaker 1: and she comes in. She confesses, I didn't smoke pod.
- 20:04Speaker 1: I tried it once and.
- 20:07Speaker 5: This is the episode. Okay, so you know how to right,
- 20:11Speaker 5: you know how in a rom comm it's like.
- 20:13Speaker 2: Oh, here's our pretty cool couple and we love them.
- 20:16Speaker 5: And then always in act to you like there's a
- 20:19Speaker 5: catastrophe and there they're torn apart, you know, and then
- 20:24Speaker 5: the third act is like will they find their.
- 20:26Speaker 2: Way back to each other? Of course they do.
- 20:28Speaker 5: We are in the crumbling here, right, because Rory's crumbling,
- 20:33Speaker 5: lorelies really crumbling, Emily's crumbling. Logan is not crumbling, but
- 20:39Speaker 5: Logan and Rory are crumbling. April is sort of going
- 20:42Speaker 5: through her thing. You're pretty steady in that you're not
- 20:47Speaker 5: falling apart, but everything's sort of falling apart around you.
- 20:51Speaker 2: So this is the.
- 20:52Speaker 5: Episode if you looked at it holistically, of the four,
- 20:56Speaker 5: this is definitely like the plummet I think.
- 21:03Speaker 2: How you watch it too, Like.
- 21:06Speaker 5: I think maybe there was so much plummeting in this,
- 21:09Speaker 5: Like I really wanted Milo to be to suggest to say,
- 21:12Speaker 5: why did you drop out of Yale? You know what
- 21:15Speaker 5: I mean, like that kind of thing, like what are
- 21:17Speaker 5: you doing here?
- 21:19Speaker 1: Like i'n't really thinking. I don't think. I don't think
- 21:21Speaker 1: that needed three or four scenes in of those two
- 21:25Speaker 1: having intimate conversations.
- 21:27Speaker 2: That's the other thing. Why did we not get that
- 21:29Speaker 2: we got we.
- 21:29Speaker 1: Can't we can't get that right away in some superficial
- 21:32Speaker 1: one scene and they're drinking and thanks for lunch and
- 21:36Speaker 1: you know, and then he goes and tosses Luke's hat
- 21:39Speaker 1: off his head. It just it it was just an
- 21:42Speaker 1: appearance to to you know, it was a cameo, that's all. Yeah,
- 21:47Speaker 1: it was just a cameo. It wasn't developed. They didn't,
- 21:50Speaker 1: I get. I don't know if they wrote anything. You know,
- 21:53Speaker 1: I think I do remember doing more scenes with him
- 21:55Speaker 1: in this. I guess that's in the last one.
- 21:58Speaker 5: So so we're only focusing on it, right now with
- 22:00Speaker 5: what we've seen.
- 22:02Speaker 1: Yeah, so they just want to introduce them and you know,
- 22:05Speaker 1: reintroduce them and all that. But yeah, again, I will
- 22:08Speaker 1: say this again as separate it from think about it
- 22:13Speaker 1: like it's the first time you've ever seen been exposed
- 22:15Speaker 1: to the show. You haven't seen any episodes, you haven't
- 22:17Speaker 1: seen any of the series. You just flipped it on
- 22:20Speaker 1: and here's this thing and you're watching it. I'm telling
- 22:23Speaker 1: you it stands on its own, It can stand up
- 22:25Speaker 1: by itself as a really good piece of comedy. And
- 22:29Speaker 1: there's some really great drama in there. And if you
- 22:31Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on, if you didn't have
- 22:33Speaker 1: any idea what was happening with these characters prior and
- 22:37Speaker 1: you turn this on, you would be entertained.
- 22:39Speaker 5: It would be saying you have you watched Fall and
- 22:41Speaker 5: Winter or are you literally just watching Summer as a
- 22:44Speaker 5: solo episode?
- 22:45Speaker 1: Just like flipping around rando, there you go, boom, Oh
- 22:49Speaker 1: what's this? Yeah I heard about this show. Let's see
- 22:52Speaker 1: let's see Summer. Boom. And you know, you watch it
- 22:55Speaker 1: with your friends or your your wife or your husband
- 22:58Speaker 1: or whomever, and it's entertaining as hell.
- 23:01Speaker 2: Man, I stop judging it.
- 23:04Speaker 1: Against the series because it's not fair and it makes.
- 23:07Speaker 5: Me nice, and I'm fully judging it against the series
- 23:10Speaker 5: and the characters, and I'm watching like people I know
- 23:13Speaker 5: and that are my people, like love, and I'm just like,
- 23:17Speaker 5: what is happening? I mean, you're right in that this
- 23:20Speaker 5: is that part where everything falls apart, because even Michelle
- 23:23Speaker 5: leaving and obviously that's upsetting to Lorlai, and Emily's going
- 23:27Speaker 5: through so many changes, and like.
- 23:29Speaker 1: Look, there's a natural inclination for any fan base or
- 23:33Speaker 1: for anybody right to reject something that isn't familiar to them.
- 23:40Speaker 1: Like I remember when Sylvester Stallone wanted to your drama
- 23:43Speaker 1: and people were like no. His agents are like, no,
- 23:46Speaker 1: don't do that, Please, don't do that. And he wanted
- 23:49Speaker 1: to work with Robert de Niro. So he did that
- 23:51Speaker 1: film with Robert de Niro and he was really great
- 23:53Speaker 1: in it.
- 23:54Speaker 2: By the way, you can argue Rocky as a drama
- 23:57Speaker 2: in my opinion.
- 23:57Speaker 1: But I'm saying that's that's that's a you know, playing
- 24:01Speaker 1: the hero character, playing you know, the formulaic type of
- 24:05Speaker 1: film where the hero wins and he goes through all
- 24:07Speaker 1: the struggles of hell, and you know that kind of thing.
- 24:11Speaker 1: So it's like the fan base doesn't want to see
- 24:14Speaker 1: these characters in unfamiliar settings, which this whole thing was
- 24:18Speaker 1: unfamiliar settings and acting in unfamiliar ways. They don't want
- 24:21Speaker 1: to see if they don't want to accept it. I
- 24:23Speaker 1: get that. I just wanted to. I just wanted to
- 24:27Speaker 1: enjoy my hour and a half and not judge it
- 24:30Speaker 1: against the series. And it was very freeing and very liberating,
- 24:34Speaker 1: and I enjoyed the hell out of it. So I
- 24:35Speaker 1: would ask fans to go back and watch it in
- 24:38Speaker 1: that context and see if you can get something out
- 24:40Speaker 1: of it, just for it's hard to forget about these
- 24:44Speaker 1: characters and what came before. Just try to say, oh, well,
- 24:49Speaker 1: I'm gonna give us a chance, this is my virgin
- 24:52Speaker 1: view of it, and enjoy it, because I did. I
- 24:55Speaker 1: really enjoyed this ride.
- 25:00Speaker 5: I mean, I guess if I could have watched it
- 25:01Speaker 5: and just been like, I just think it's impossible to
- 25:04Speaker 5: not care about these characters.
- 25:07Speaker 2: I care about it.
- 25:08Speaker 1: I don't care.
- 25:09Speaker 2: I guess you've done that.
- 25:11Speaker 1: I've let it go, and I don't want to place
- 25:14Speaker 1: judgment on I want. I want. What's thrilling to me
- 25:18Speaker 1: is an artist taking chances, and Dan took a lot
- 25:25Speaker 1: of chances in this. He risked everything and I appreciate that,
- 25:30Speaker 1: and I think that takes a lot of courage and
- 25:32Speaker 1: a lot of creative energy. And I think that the
- 25:36Speaker 1: end result for me was, Wow, what a pair of
- 25:41Speaker 1: balls on this guy? You know what I mean?
- 25:43Speaker 5: Sure, sure, yeah, But I did not get that same
- 25:47Speaker 5: thing because I'm not like wow, I'm just like, Okay,
- 25:50Speaker 5: I just watched twenty minutes of Sutton Foster, and I
- 25:53Speaker 5: like Sutton Foster. I love Younger. I didn't particularly love
- 25:57Speaker 5: her in this. I loved her and bun Heads Turn Younger.
- 26:01Speaker 1: She had a great scene with Laurla waiting for her outside.
- 26:05Speaker 2: The Smoke's fantastic.
- 26:07Speaker 1: She's a great actress. You could see you could see
- 26:10Speaker 1: how good an actress she is in that scene, and
- 26:13Speaker 1: you can see how good a singer and dancer she is.
- 26:15Speaker 1: And she's funny as hell.
- 26:16Speaker 2: Yeah, of course she's all those things.
- 26:18Speaker 1: But I didn't She's like, she's like a triple threat singing, dancing, acting.
- 26:22Speaker 1: I mean, it's like those are rare, and I now
- 26:26Speaker 1: I can see why Amy Once is writing a whole
- 26:31Speaker 1: Broadway show for her.
- 26:32Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course it's brilliant.
- 26:35Speaker 1: She's brilliant.
- 26:36Speaker 2: Yes, she totally is. She's she is.
- 26:39Speaker 1: The art form itself as a way to deliver comedy
- 26:43Speaker 1: is probably unmatched. Okay. It's hype in theater with music
- 26:49Speaker 1: and and the and and the historical perspective and and
- 26:53Speaker 1: the comedy injected into Dan's writing, and these songs and
- 26:57Speaker 1: these lyrics in this show had me in stitches. I
- 27:00Speaker 1: mean I was roaring with laughter.
- 27:01Speaker 5: I think this was the like beta test for what
- 27:06Speaker 5: they did with Missus Mazel, because I actually think that
- 27:08Speaker 5: is brilliant and they did get it right. This just
- 27:11Speaker 5: feels all kinds of weird to me.
- 27:14Speaker 1: You know what it is? Dan's an iconoclast. I think
- 27:16Speaker 1: at their soul at heart, Amy and Dan aren't iconoclasts, Okay, And.
- 27:24Speaker 2: I don't really know what that word means. I'm not
- 27:26Speaker 2: gonna lie, I don't really know what that word means.
- 27:28Speaker 2: Does that work mean.
- 27:29Speaker 1: They like to tear down idols?
- 27:32Speaker 2: Oh? Okay?
- 27:33Speaker 1: Icons? Right, they're iconoclastic?
- 27:36Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean you see that in some
- 27:38Speaker 5: of the pop culture too.
- 27:40Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, that's what that's what it is. It's got
- 27:42Speaker 1: that edge in that bite.
- 27:44Speaker 2: That is what.
- 27:45Speaker 5: I think they missed it a hint on this because
- 27:48Speaker 5: the pool scenes are mean.
- 27:52Speaker 2: There's a little bit too mean. So yes, I get it,
- 27:54Speaker 2: they tried it could kind of be funny.
- 27:56Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I get And nobody else has a right
- 28:00Speaker 1: to deconstruct or tear down monuments unless they created them.
- 28:07Speaker 1: And they created them. Okay, they created them, and now
- 28:13Speaker 1: they're just trying to find other dimensions of this show
- 28:18Speaker 1: to explore with these characters, other dimensions of these characters
- 28:21Speaker 1: to explore, and they just did their thing. It might
- 28:27Speaker 1: have pissed me off a little bit, you know, seeing
- 28:30Speaker 1: Luke dumb down like that.
- 28:31Speaker 2: They tried that brings us to that Luke.
- 28:34Speaker 1: At least they tried something. They tried something.
- 28:45Speaker 2: What did you feel about Luke in this episode?
- 28:49Speaker 1: I thought he was Luke.
- 28:50Speaker 2: I thought it was Yeah, he was wasted a little bit.
- 28:53Speaker 2: I just didn't feel like there was enough. It was
- 28:56Speaker 2: just not enough for me.
- 28:57Speaker 5: I was sort of like, he's just sort of bouncing
- 29:00Speaker 5: off Laura is sort of imploding.
- 29:02Speaker 1: But if they're if Amy and Dan or Dan are
- 29:07Speaker 1: are not inspired to write for Luke in summer, how
- 29:11Speaker 1: can that You can't force them to do it? Nobody
- 29:14Speaker 1: can force them to do it. They wanted to write
- 29:18Speaker 1: or Dan wanted to write for Sutton Foster, he wanted
- 29:20Speaker 1: to write for Laurla. He wanted to write, you know,
- 29:23Speaker 1: the focus is on these uh again.
- 29:26Speaker 2: Is pretty much still Laurel.
- 29:27Speaker 1: I right, it's the generations, right, it's it's grandma and
- 29:31Speaker 1: mother and daughter's that's what they're focusing.
- 29:33Speaker 5: Yes, that is correct, and I'm okay with that. I
- 29:36Speaker 5: don't mind seeing Emily's journey. I actually was not as
- 29:39Speaker 5: off put by Emily having the sort of boyfriend, and
- 29:42Speaker 5: I actually enjoyed them imploding about it because LOURAI, because
- 29:47Speaker 5: that is what she would do, That is what a
- 29:49Speaker 5: daughter would do.
- 29:50Speaker 2: It feels a little too soon. It's like, oh God,
- 29:53Speaker 2: what's happening.
- 29:54Speaker 5: Your whole life's disrupted, which is also why she's imploding.
- 29:58Speaker 5: Like she's not just imploding over like Michelle leaving or Luke.
- 30:03Speaker 2: It's all of it.
- 30:04Speaker 5: It's losing her father, it's a relationship with her mother,
- 30:06Speaker 5: it's Rory, Like I don't I frankly think she's super
- 30:09Speaker 5: concerned that, Like Rory's so not finding her way right,
- 30:12Speaker 5: like Rory's coming home, Like even how calm she is
- 30:16Speaker 5: about the logan thing.
- 30:18Speaker 2: It's like she's just sort of like shutting down.
- 30:21Speaker 1: The bigger the obstacle, the more thrilling it is to
- 30:24Speaker 1: watch somebody come back from it, right.
- 30:27Speaker 5: So we're so is your intention by saying that, like
- 30:31Speaker 5: we're gearing up for the finale, which will be Fall,
- 30:36Speaker 5: and we kind of had to have this to get
- 30:38Speaker 5: to Fall.
- 30:39Speaker 1: Yep, that's right, because it's for them. It's a four
- 30:43Speaker 1: part opus, right, it's.
- 30:45Speaker 2: Four parts for them, right right, right.
- 30:48Speaker 1: And they have to get to the end of it.
- 30:51Speaker 5: Do you think the way to watch this, if someone could,
- 30:55Speaker 5: would be to take six hours and just sit there
- 30:58Speaker 5: and watch it as a whole, because is the problem
- 31:01Speaker 5: like that we went away for a week and then
- 31:04Speaker 5: I watched Summer and I'm like, eh, which is like
- 31:07Speaker 5: because it was bingeable, right, So I bet you super
- 31:10Speaker 5: fans just cranked it out like it was one big
- 31:13Speaker 5: six hour marathon.
- 31:15Speaker 1: M you know. Yeah. I mean, if you go to
- 31:17Speaker 1: see Beethoven's Ninth, you don't leave, and then tomorrow we'll
- 31:22Speaker 1: come back and we'll hear the coral part of it.
- 31:26Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot, that's a big chunk. It's
- 31:28Speaker 1: six hours a big chunk of time. But I mean
- 31:29Speaker 1: people do it, and they did it on this. They
- 31:32Speaker 1: binged this. Six hours was nothing to them because they'd
- 31:35Speaker 1: binge it for you know.
- 31:36Speaker 5: I bet you a lot of people match hours at
- 31:38Speaker 5: a time sharp, yeah, or over two days. They might
- 31:40Speaker 5: have watched three hours on Saturday, three hours on Sunday,
- 31:42Speaker 5: and they had the whole thing. I think I watched
- 31:43Speaker 5: it fairly quickly. I didn't take a lot of time
- 31:48Speaker 5: when I watched it the first time. I'm taking more
- 31:50Speaker 5: time this time, which may be why summer.
- 31:52Speaker 1: I was like, oh, and I think if I ever
- 31:54Speaker 1: find six hours that I can afford, I will sit
- 31:58Speaker 1: down and watch this back to back, just because I'm fascinated.
- 32:01Speaker 2: It, right, Because then you really, I'm really.
- 32:03Speaker 1: Fascinated with it now, because look, at the end of
- 32:06Speaker 1: the day, Amy and Dan have to entertain themselves. If
- 32:10Speaker 1: they don't like it, if they're not engaged, if they're
- 32:12Speaker 1: not passionate about what they're putting down on the page,
- 32:14Speaker 1: you ain't going to make it on the page. And
- 32:16Speaker 1: this is what made it on the page, right, This
- 32:18Speaker 1: is what they wanted to say, and I respect it.
- 32:21Speaker 1: I and I just think you get to see you
- 32:28Speaker 1: get to see why the show was so great in
- 32:30Speaker 1: the series because of the talent.
- 32:32Speaker 2: They're so clever.
- 32:34Speaker 5: I respect you respecting it, like I like that you
- 32:37Speaker 5: like it I and it's making any sort of question things,
- 32:41Speaker 5: but I still am going to stay strong on this
- 32:44Speaker 5: is not my favorite.
- 32:45Speaker 2: Like it's mean.
- 32:47Speaker 5: I do not like I don't know why they're acting
- 32:48Speaker 5: like Southern bells with like two children, Like that's weird
- 32:52Speaker 5: walking through town, it's weird.
- 32:55Speaker 2: The meanness.
- 32:58Speaker 5: It was not crazy about the the Milo I was
- 33:01Speaker 5: not crazy about and that the Broadway Show or Stars
- 33:06Speaker 5: Hollow Show was so long, and I like Lorali was
- 33:11Speaker 5: like I don't get it, Like I didn't get it
- 33:13Speaker 5: at all. I was like, I don't even understand what
- 33:16Speaker 5: this is. Like if I pretend I just watched only
- 33:19Speaker 5: Sutton Foster, I would be like, I totally I don't
- 33:23Speaker 5: even know what that was about, Like what was that about.
- 33:26Speaker 1: It was the history of Stars Hollow and Song, and
- 33:30Speaker 1: it was Pilgrims, and then it was the Revolutionary War,
- 33:33Speaker 1: and then it was the Industrial Lege and then it
- 33:35Speaker 1: was the seventies. It was fantastic. I didn't follow so great.
- 33:40Speaker 1: It was so wacky and great. I was so happy.
- 33:44Speaker 2: I did love that, Laurel. I didn't like it, and
- 33:47Speaker 2: everyone else loved it, and I know, I know that
- 33:50Speaker 2: it is kind of amusing, but I didn't get it.
- 33:53Speaker 5: I am lorrili because I was like, I don't I
- 33:55Speaker 5: don't even understand what's happening.
- 33:58Speaker 2: What is this so bad?
- 34:01Speaker 1: Bad?
- 34:03Speaker 6: Oh?
- 34:03Speaker 1: No, no, come on? Some of those lines in there
- 34:05Speaker 1: that they were brother and sister and.
- 34:07Speaker 2: I didn't get it. I couldn't even really follow it.
- 34:10Speaker 1: And it's not illegal yet.
- 34:12Speaker 5: I didn't follow any of this. You're smarter than me
- 34:15Speaker 5: because I was so like, I don't get it. I
- 34:17Speaker 5: couldn't even really hear it. I was like, I don't
- 34:19Speaker 5: understand what they're talking about. I'm not following a story.
- 34:22Speaker 5: I'm not getting a storyline. I'm not even I couldn't
- 34:24Speaker 5: tell you what was in any of those songs.
- 34:26Speaker 1: Listen. There's nothing funnier than bad poetry and a context
- 34:32Speaker 1: or a bad song. Remember, remember Okay. This reminded me
- 34:35Speaker 1: of that film Arthur where Dudley Moore falls in love
- 34:38Speaker 1: with Derek and in order to find out where bo
- 34:41Speaker 1: Derek went on her honeymoon, Yeah, he visits the priest.
- 34:46Speaker 2: I remember that I've been you know.
- 34:49Speaker 1: And Dudley Moore places a hit songwriter right and and
- 34:53Speaker 1: the priest gets all excited. He goes, you know, I'm
- 34:55Speaker 1: a bit of a writer. He sings in that song
- 34:58Speaker 1: like my heart is a thumping thing.
- 35:03Speaker 2: You're into you like this stuff? This is all I
- 35:06Speaker 2: can tell you.
- 35:07Speaker 5: I've watched this now twice and the only takeaway I
- 35:10Speaker 5: get from the Broadway show is sort of sutt and
- 35:12Speaker 5: Foster like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, I'm
- 35:16Speaker 5: sudden Foster, like that's all I see here, Like nothing
- 35:20Speaker 5: lands on me other than like more sudden Foster.
- 35:23Speaker 1: But can you listen to the lyrics of the songs?
- 35:26Speaker 2: I couldn't hear it. And I don't mean I couldn't
- 35:29Speaker 2: hear it like my ears work. I couldn't hear it.
- 35:33Speaker 1: Like I just was like, I don't go back and
- 35:36Speaker 1: just watch that stuff again and listen to the lyrics
- 35:39Speaker 1: of the song.
- 35:41Speaker 2: I'll try, I'll try Miracle.
- 35:43Speaker 5: I was pleasantly surprised by the therapist being a good singer.
- 35:46Speaker 5: That was random, the therapist and the one. Okay, so
- 35:50Speaker 5: all right, so so enough for today, So everybody listening,
- 35:53Speaker 5: We're gonna continue by bringing in the crew in the
- 35:57Speaker 5: next episode, and and we'll break it down see by scene.
- 36:00Speaker 2: But I just felt like it was so bizarre. Oh yes,
- 36:02Speaker 2: Scott take us Out was some bad song.
- 36:08Speaker 1: I appreciate him.
- 36:09Speaker 2: Valatino, I didn't get it at all, experimenting around when
- 36:14Speaker 2: these characters we love so much. All I saw was
- 36:18Speaker 2: Sutton Foster.
- 36:19Speaker 1: Come wake me up now? Why such a mess?
- 36:26Speaker 2: Why won't loget and break up with the fiance and
- 36:29Speaker 2: marry my girl?
- 36:31Speaker 5: Why is Loralai doing wild? Nothing is more annoying to me.
- 36:38Speaker 1: Amy's still confused.
- 36:44Speaker 2: She don't know what. I'm just up. I did not
- 36:47Speaker 2: get it at all.
- 36:49Speaker 1: Come on, help me lo, help me raise an so
- 36:55Speaker 1: she can see the last.
- 36:56Speaker 5: Am I super stupid because I did not get it
- 36:59Speaker 5: at all.
- 37:00Speaker 2: It's not stupid, will listeners, It's just.
- 37:07Speaker 1: You weren't in the mood and we gotta wait.
- 37:10Speaker 2: Haven't been in the mood at whiskey.
- 37:16Speaker 6: To us.
- 37:18Speaker 5: I do think Emily's boyfriend is kind of cute.
- 37:22Speaker 2: What boyfriend, dude that drives the mercedes. I don't know
- 37:25Speaker 2: if he's her boyfriend. He's great, he's great. No, I
- 37:29Speaker 2: like that guy.
- 37:30Speaker 1: And there's a funny bit between them when they got
- 37:33Speaker 1: to the funeral and and Lord and they were walking.
- 37:35Speaker 1: Ray's gonna stay in the car, and.
- 37:42Speaker 5: It was fune, can you sing us out? Send your
- 37:45Speaker 5: cards and letters? Oh, if your cards and letters come in.
- 37:51Speaker 2: All we'll rate this in the next episode.
- 37:56Speaker 1: And that's going to George. Let's fans a print, he
- 38:00Speaker 1: new cons and let it come home. We appreciate you all.
- 38:03Speaker 2: Now, thank you to munch Chip a crew of one.
- 38:07Speaker 1: Am a sugar Moon.
- 38:09Speaker 2: You gotta help it now, see you later.
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