Latest / The You Project / #1666 Strength Training: Why, How, When, How Much, How Hard? - Harps (PT1)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Good a team. I hope you bloody terrific. Well, welcome
- 0:03Speaker 1: to another installment of the You Project. It's me so
- 0:09Speaker 1: full disclosure. This has been a really interesting episode to
- 0:14Speaker 1: put together and something that I probably know the most about,
- 0:23Speaker 1: which is strength training, which is gym work, which is
- 0:27Speaker 1: you know, the stuff that I spent the vast majority
- 0:29Speaker 1: of my life doing, but also teaching and coaching you know,
- 0:33Speaker 1: how to get strong, how to weight train, or how
- 0:35Speaker 1: to strength train. More broadly, not all strength training has
- 0:39Speaker 1: to involve weights or dumb bells or gettle bells or
- 0:42Speaker 1: bar bells, of course, But and I'm going to say
- 0:46Speaker 1: I have started and stopped this episode more times than
- 0:50Speaker 1: I want to tell you. I don't know why. I
- 0:55Speaker 1: don't know why. I think I think part of it
- 0:58Speaker 1: is because I just I don't know how the fuctor
- 1:03Speaker 1: fits forty five years of training and training others and
- 1:09Speaker 1: education and working in gyms and owning gyms, and you know,
- 1:15Speaker 1: being a fitness industry person and trying to trying to
- 1:21Speaker 1: get clear about what it is that I want to
- 1:23Speaker 1: tell you. You know, it's like it's almost like you've
- 1:28Speaker 1: been on a five year trip and you've got to
- 1:30Speaker 1: give somebody a five minute debrief on your five year trip,
- 1:36Speaker 1: and you think, fuck, where do I start. I've been
- 1:38Speaker 1: away five years and I've only got fight, and it's
- 1:40Speaker 1: kind of for me. It's like forty five years in
- 1:43Speaker 1: forty five minutes, give or take. So maybe I'll do
- 1:49Speaker 1: another one. This is, by no means absolutely comprehensive. This
- 1:53Speaker 1: is not the start and finish, and I guess, I
- 1:57Speaker 1: guess it's really aimed more for people who don't know
- 2:01Speaker 1: a lot about strength training, maybe people who know nothing
- 2:05Speaker 1: or next to nothing. Maybe people who have got a
- 2:08Speaker 1: bit of experience, or maybe some people who've been training
- 2:12Speaker 1: for a while and you just want to hear my
- 2:14Speaker 1: thoughts and ideas. This will not be advanced, but I
- 2:21Speaker 1: will talk about some advanced I guess, or more complicated
- 2:28Speaker 1: ideas and science, but I'll explain it in a way
- 2:30Speaker 1: which is completely understandable. So the last few times I
- 2:35Speaker 1: tried to do this, I just started banging on about
- 2:38Speaker 1: you know, sets and reps and volume and frequency and
- 2:41Speaker 1: workload and intensity, and then you know, when you talk,
- 2:46Speaker 1: and you think I'm talking a lot, but I don't
- 2:48Speaker 1: think I'm saying much. I felt like I was doing
- 2:51Speaker 1: that and I felt like I was probably maybe talking
- 2:55Speaker 1: over people's heads. So what I did was which I
- 3:01Speaker 1: don't normally do. But I've just written a bunch of
- 3:04Speaker 1: what I think of relevant questions in front of me,
- 3:09Speaker 1: and so I'm going to Obviously I haven't written the answers,
- 3:12Speaker 1: but I just I've written the things that I think
- 3:15Speaker 1: I need to address, which might be the most valuable
- 3:19Speaker 1: to you. And so question one on my list is
- 3:22Speaker 1: why this topic. Well, despite what a lot of people think,
- 3:28Speaker 1: strength training is probably more important for the people who
- 3:32Speaker 1: typically don't go to the gym. I mean typically, and
- 3:36Speaker 1: by that I mean people who are not particularly athletic
- 3:39Speaker 1: or sporting, or young, or people who might not be
- 3:45Speaker 1: in Inverted Comma's gym people. And so for me, the
- 3:49Speaker 1: idea of getting people involved in lifting weights is really
- 3:55Speaker 1: about health and wellness and function and the way that
- 3:59Speaker 1: they age their health span, which we've spoken about many times.
- 4:04Speaker 1: That is how well you can live and for how long.
- 4:08Speaker 1: And of course some people will lift weights more because
- 4:12Speaker 1: they want to change the way they look. It's an
- 4:14Speaker 1: aesthetic thing, and there's nothing wrong with wanting fucking wide
- 4:19Speaker 1: shoulders and a little waist or big arms or less
- 4:22Speaker 1: body fat more, there's nothing. Of course, if I'm being honest,
- 4:26Speaker 1: of course I don't want to look terrible. I don't
- 4:28Speaker 1: think I look amazing, But I think for my age,
- 4:31Speaker 1: I'm in okay shape. Do I want to be in
- 4:34Speaker 1: okay shape or good shape because I've got an ego?
- 4:38Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, yes I do. But is that
- 4:41Speaker 1: my primary driver? No? My primary driver these days is
- 4:44Speaker 1: that I'm okay operationally, I'm okay functionally. Can I get
- 4:48Speaker 1: out of bed? Can I lift things? Can I? Can
- 4:51Speaker 1: I go for a run around the block? Do I
- 4:52Speaker 1: have that strength and my lower body and my lower
- 4:55Speaker 1: back and my glutes and my quads, and you know,
- 4:59Speaker 1: can I I pick things up in and out of
- 5:02Speaker 1: the boot of the car, And can I do all
- 5:04Speaker 1: that stuff? And more importantly, even can I train in
- 5:07Speaker 1: the gym and left relatively heavyweights, which then extrapolates into
- 5:11Speaker 1: all the benefits and advantages into my day to day life.
- 5:15Speaker 1: So there's a thing that I've spoken about many times
- 5:18Speaker 1: on this show many, I say many, maybe ten over
- 5:22Speaker 1: nearly seventeen hundred episodes. And that's a thing called cycopenia.
- 5:26Speaker 1: And cycopenia s A R COO pe Nia is just
- 5:33Speaker 1: a fancy terminology for the physiological and inevitability of people
- 5:39Speaker 1: losing muscle generally as they age. When we're talking about sycopenia,
- 5:46Speaker 1: we're generally talking about older people. And yes, of course
- 5:49Speaker 1: there is an inevitability and an unavoidability. I guess that
- 5:54Speaker 1: you and I will lose muscle, But how much muscle
- 5:58Speaker 1: we maintain as we are age is manipulatable. Even if
- 6:04Speaker 1: you are listening to this and you are in your forties, fifties,
- 6:07Speaker 1: sixties and beyond, and you don't lift weights, or you
- 6:11Speaker 1: don't do something or some things to stay strong, then
- 6:17Speaker 1: unless there's some medical reason, then more than likely you
- 6:22Speaker 1: can build muscle strength and function. I've worked with many
- 6:26Speaker 1: people into their eighties who have increased their functional strength,
- 6:30Speaker 1: their lean muscle mass, and their ability to do life significantly,
- 6:37Speaker 1: even starting in their really kind of ladder years. So
- 6:41Speaker 1: bodies are very adaptable, and of course how adaptable they
- 6:44Speaker 1: are and what our physiological potential is declines with age.
- 6:52Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that you at forty or fifty,
- 6:57Speaker 1: or sixty or seventy need to be typical or generally
- 7:01Speaker 1: representative of what most people are look, feel, function, health
- 7:06Speaker 1: performance at that age, And so why do we need
- 7:12Speaker 1: to lift weights? Primarily because it keeps us healthy and strong,
- 7:16Speaker 1: you know, bone density, muscle mass function. And over the
- 7:21Speaker 1: last decade or so, we've really come to understanding research
- 7:24Speaker 1: and science that there are sociological, psychological, and cognitive benefits.
- 7:31Speaker 1: So we know that lifting weights, lifting weights consistently improves
- 7:37Speaker 1: cognitive function for a period of time. After that, we
- 7:42Speaker 1: know that for most people, lifting weights produces a dopamine response.
- 7:47Speaker 1: It makes us happy, It puts us potentially in a
- 7:51Speaker 1: better place emotionally. Now I will. Of course, the asterisk
- 7:56Speaker 1: next to this is that not everybody responds the exact
- 7:59Speaker 1: same way, of course, just like everybody doesn't expot respond
- 8:03Speaker 1: the exact same way to the same food or the
- 8:07Speaker 1: same five k run, or the same job or the
- 8:11Speaker 1: same environment. So there's a lot of variability around this,
- 8:15Speaker 1: but generally speaking, lifting weights is a good thing, of course.
- 8:19Speaker 1: So next question is what is bioage. Bioage is basically
- 8:23Speaker 1: how old your body is from a functional point of view.
- 8:26Speaker 1: Bioage is a little bit of a bro science term,
- 8:32Speaker 1: but really what it means is, irrespective of your chronological age,
- 8:39Speaker 1: how functional is your body and how does your level
- 8:45Speaker 1: of function compare across the lifespan to somebody typically in
- 8:52Speaker 1: a different age group. So, for example me, I just
- 8:54Speaker 1: turned sixty one, and so if we did some testing
- 8:58Speaker 1: on me, which is possible where we do a bunch
- 9:00Speaker 1: of stuff strength and flexibility, range of movement, muscular endurance,
- 9:05Speaker 1: aerobic endurance, and depends on the test, but we test
- 9:08Speaker 1: a whole lot of physical stuff. We get some data,
- 9:13Speaker 1: and then we put all of my data, all of
- 9:15Speaker 1: my results, we compare them to a whole lot of
- 9:18Speaker 1: other data. Tens hundreds, maybe thousands of results depend on
- 9:22Speaker 1: which protocol we use, but we compare my results to
- 9:25Speaker 1: lots and lots and lots of other results, which we call,
- 9:28Speaker 1: like I said, normative data. And we find out that
- 9:32Speaker 1: Kraig at sixty one has got the functional strength or
- 9:37Speaker 1: the bioage of somebody who is fifteen years younger than him,
- 9:41Speaker 1: or twenty years younger than him, or it might be.
- 9:44Speaker 1: Sometimes we do a bioage test and fifty year old's
- 9:48Speaker 1: got the biological age of a sixty five year old.
- 9:50Speaker 1: You've probably seen these TV shows, but we could scrap
- 9:55Speaker 1: the term biological age and just put how old old
- 10:00Speaker 1: or young compared to your actual age? Is your body
- 10:03Speaker 1: in terms of physical performance? And then the next question
- 10:07Speaker 1: is which I mentioned the term, what is functional strength?
- 10:10Speaker 1: So for me, that is what it is all about.
- 10:12Speaker 1: Like how much you can bench press or deadlift or squat,
- 10:18Speaker 1: they are indicators of strength, of course, of absolute strength.
- 10:23Speaker 1: But what I'm most interested in, and I suggest most
- 10:27Speaker 1: of you would be most interested in, is how functional
- 10:31Speaker 1: or practical or useful is the strength that you have
- 10:36Speaker 1: or the strength that you are building in day to
- 10:39Speaker 1: day life. Hopefully the answer is really functional. So for example,
- 10:46Speaker 1: let's say, for example, I can leg press eight hundred
- 10:49Speaker 1: pounds for twenty reps, which I can't, but let's say
- 10:52Speaker 1: it could. We might say, wow, Craig's got really really
- 10:57Speaker 1: strong legs. That's amazing, and at leg pressing eight hundred
- 11:01Speaker 1: pounds for twenty reps, Craig is really good. And then
- 11:05Speaker 1: we go, now, how does that functional or how does
- 11:07Speaker 1: that strength in the leg press translate to something like
- 11:11Speaker 1: running fast or jumping high? And the answer, depending on
- 11:16Speaker 1: the individual and the way that those reps are done,
- 11:18Speaker 1: and a few other variables, the answer might be not
- 11:22Speaker 1: very well at all. It doesn't translate. So strength in
- 11:27Speaker 1: the gym is good, and there is generally a correlation
- 11:31Speaker 1: between strength in the gym and functional strength. But when
- 11:37Speaker 1: I am designing a program for somebody, I will design it,
- 11:42Speaker 1: which is very rare these days. Please don't send me
- 11:44Speaker 1: an email, but you know I've designed thousands of programs
- 11:47Speaker 1: for thousands of people. But generally I am looking at
- 11:51Speaker 1: what is the kind of strength that this person needs
- 11:54Speaker 1: to be able to function close to optimally based on
- 12:00Speaker 1: their potential in the real world. Or it might be
- 12:03Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be functional strength for life. It
- 12:05Speaker 1: could also for those of you who are a bit
- 12:07Speaker 1: more advanced, it could also be functional strength for a
- 12:10Speaker 1: specific role or task. Let's say somebody's going on climbing
- 12:15Speaker 1: a mountain, we might say, and they don't have strong legs.
- 12:18Speaker 1: And let's say they're going to go to you know,
- 12:22Speaker 1: they're going to do base camp, Everest or something, and
- 12:24Speaker 1: they've got to do a whole lot of climbing or
- 12:25Speaker 1: maybe go one above base camp, right, so they've got
- 12:28Speaker 1: to well, they don't need massive quads, and they don't
- 12:31Speaker 1: need to be able to squat a million pounds or
- 12:33Speaker 1: leg press a million pounds, but they do need strong
- 12:36Speaker 1: ass legs, so glutes, hamstrings, quads, calves. So what we
- 12:43Speaker 1: might do in the gym with them is we might
- 12:45Speaker 1: do squats and deadlifts and hack squads and leg press
- 12:49Speaker 1: and all of these kind of knee extension type movements,
- 12:52Speaker 1: but we do lots of reps. So we do a
- 12:55Speaker 1: light ish to moderate ish weight and we do lots
- 12:58Speaker 1: of reps. So we're building some strength, but more importantly
- 13:02Speaker 1: and more appropriately for that task of base camp, we're
- 13:06Speaker 1: building functional strength. We're building muscular endurance. Right, So the
- 13:11Speaker 1: right kind of program for the right kind of need
- 13:14Speaker 1: or goal or individual or individual I guess requirement. That's
- 13:20Speaker 1: what functional strength is. And you know, if you're getting
- 13:24Speaker 1: a program designed by somebody, we need to make sure
- 13:28Speaker 1: that that strength that you are gaining, all strength gained
- 13:32Speaker 1: generally is good generally, but we want to make sure
- 13:36Speaker 1: that that works for us in life. And also, I
- 13:39Speaker 1: guess I'm going to chuck in here, making sure that
- 13:42Speaker 1: we are building total body strength, total body strength. Right. So,
- 13:48Speaker 1: for example, what we see is a lot of people
- 13:50Speaker 1: in gyms, and not just gyms, but a lot of
- 13:52Speaker 1: training environments where they are training their upper back. You've
- 13:55Speaker 1: seen dudes and girls with really big strong backs. Upper
- 14:00Speaker 1: backs lats we call them lats rhomboids, and you know
- 14:04Speaker 1: that kind of V shape, and some of them never
- 14:08Speaker 1: train their lower back. Some of them rarely train their
- 14:11Speaker 1: lower back. And so what we do is we have
- 14:14Speaker 1: an upper back that this is bro science what I'm
- 14:17Speaker 1: about to share. But their upper back is are nine
- 14:19Speaker 1: out of ten in terms of strength, but they're lower
- 14:21Speaker 1: back that rarely gets trained. That is the kind of
- 14:25Speaker 1: the gap or the conduit between you know, the glutes,
- 14:28Speaker 1: the lower body and the upper back traps rhomboids region
- 14:34Speaker 1: doesn't get trained. So now we might have the lower
- 14:37Speaker 1: back that's three out of ten strength, the upper back
- 14:39Speaker 1: that's nine out of ten ten strength. It's a little
- 14:41Speaker 1: bit of bro science here, but you'll understand it. And
- 14:44Speaker 1: so not only are we not training the lower back,
- 14:46Speaker 1: but now we're creating a real potential problem, and that
- 14:49Speaker 1: is we've got this upper back that's disproportionately stronger than
- 14:52Speaker 1: the lower back. So guess what we're going to fuck,
- 14:55Speaker 1: Guess what we're going to get injured? Well, the lower back.
- 14:59Speaker 1: So we need all of our body to be trained
- 15:03Speaker 1: in a sensible way so that we're building total strength,
- 15:06Speaker 1: so that where we don't have muscular imbalances. And there
- 15:10Speaker 1: are so many people who train in a way which
- 15:13Speaker 1: is actually over time, almost guaranteed to injure them because
- 15:20Speaker 1: they neglect certain muscle groups and lower body one percent
- 15:25Speaker 1: absolutely and lower back are the most neglected areas in
- 15:31Speaker 1: the gym because some people are primarily, if not only,
- 15:37Speaker 1: concerned with esthetics, so all round workout. My next question
- 15:44Speaker 1: is do I need a gym? No, you don't need
- 15:48Speaker 1: a gym. I like gyms because not because I'm an
- 15:52Speaker 1: ex gym owner, but I like gyms because, especially these days.
- 15:56Speaker 1: Now before you tell yourself I'm not a gym person,
- 15:59Speaker 1: just hit the pores. But on that, you don't have
- 16:01Speaker 1: to be a gym person. You don't need to be
- 16:03Speaker 1: a gym junkie. You don't need to love going to
- 16:06Speaker 1: the gym. But so, for example, the little gym that
- 16:10Speaker 1: I go to, I'll give them a shout out Snap Fitness.
- 16:14Speaker 1: I'm not affiliated professionally with them. I pay for my
- 16:18Speaker 1: gym membership like everybody else. But what I like about
- 16:22Speaker 1: having And interestingly, the gym I train at used to
- 16:26Speaker 1: be one of my gyms. It used to be a Harper's.
- 16:28Speaker 1: How interesting is that it's now a SNAP and I
- 16:31Speaker 1: pay to go there, which I happily do. But what
- 16:34Speaker 1: I like about that is one, if I'm a member,
- 16:37Speaker 1: a full member, I can go to any Snap gym
- 16:40Speaker 1: in Australia or around the world. They're in different countries.
- 16:44Speaker 1: They're also in the States and the UK, I think Canada,
- 16:47Speaker 1: not sure all but which countries, but they're in a
- 16:50Speaker 1: bunch of other countries, and there's hundreds and hundreds, maybe
- 16:53Speaker 1: more than a thousand around the world. The bottom line
- 16:55Speaker 1: is I can use my same card at any Snap gym.
- 16:57Speaker 1: Walk in the door. Now, when I go to the gym,
- 17:01Speaker 1: what the main thing for me is that I have
- 17:04Speaker 1: got I would think in most gyms, the one I
- 17:07Speaker 1: go to anyway, and it's not over the top, it's
- 17:09Speaker 1: a regular gym, but there's probably about a million bucks
- 17:11Speaker 1: worth of equipment. So I walk in the door and
- 17:15Speaker 1: for whatever it is, ten, twelve, fifteen bucks a week,
- 17:17Speaker 1: whatever you're going to pay for your twenty four hour
- 17:19Speaker 1: gym membership, you've now got access to a million dollars
- 17:22Speaker 1: of equipment. You don't need to buy more equipment, you
- 17:24Speaker 1: don't need to maintain the equipment, you don't need to
- 17:27Speaker 1: clean it. You don't need to unpack it and pack.
- 17:29Speaker 1: You just need to walk in the door, do your
- 17:31Speaker 1: shit and fuck off. Right. What I love also is
- 17:34Speaker 1: now this depends a little bit, but you know, for me,
- 17:38Speaker 1: it's a more motivating environment. I literally have a gym
- 17:41Speaker 1: at my house outside. I have an undercover but it's
- 17:45Speaker 1: in my front yard like a little area. I used
- 17:49Speaker 1: to call it the Zenden when it was a Zenden.
- 17:51Speaker 1: It's now the zen gym, and I use it maybe
- 17:54Speaker 1: once a week, maybe no times a week. It's got
- 17:57Speaker 1: everything in it that I need, and I will often
- 18:02Speaker 1: train there, but at least ninety five percent of the
- 18:05Speaker 1: time I do my training at the gym. And the
- 18:07Speaker 1: reason that I do that is one I meet my
- 18:08Speaker 1: training partner there at some for me more motivating environment
- 18:11Speaker 1: and so on. Now, some of you will be listening
- 18:16Speaker 1: to this a few and I understand this, and you'll
- 18:20Speaker 1: be thinking, I'm not a gym person. Fuck gym's. I
- 18:22Speaker 1: don't want to go to a gym. So I want
- 18:24Speaker 1: to say a few things about that. One, you don't
- 18:26Speaker 1: have to go to a gym. You don't need to.
- 18:28Speaker 1: You can buy dumbells kettlebells, bar bells, balls, bands, whatever
- 18:32Speaker 1: you want, put din your garage, put ding your spare room.
- 18:35Speaker 1: You can train at home. You can do that. The
- 18:38Speaker 1: next thing I want to say about that is most
- 18:40Speaker 1: people don't do that. Most people who intend to train
- 18:44Speaker 1: well at home and really transform their body and be
- 18:48Speaker 1: consistent and train progressively and get great results. In my experience,
- 18:53Speaker 1: most people don't do it. They don't do it despite
- 18:57Speaker 1: the fact that they want to and they have the intention.
- 19:00Speaker 1: The reality of the experience is that pretty soon this
- 19:04Speaker 1: ain't fun, this is boring, and I've got other shit on,
- 19:07Speaker 1: and then they look up and it's been six months
- 19:09Speaker 1: since they've done one of those workouts at home. I'm
- 19:12Speaker 1: not saying you can't do it. I'm saying for many
- 19:15Speaker 1: people it's not a great strategy. For some it probably is,
- 19:19Speaker 1: but for many it's not. And I think with these things,
- 19:23Speaker 1: we just need to be really, really practical and honest
- 19:27Speaker 1: with ourselves about about, you know, looking reflecting upon our
- 19:35Speaker 1: history with food and exercise and health behaviors and changing
- 19:40Speaker 1: habits and this again, as I always say, it's not
- 19:44Speaker 1: self loathing, it's just self awareness, like do you truly
- 19:50Speaker 1: truly in your heart of hearts, think that if you
- 19:52Speaker 1: go and spend five hundred bucks or a thousand bucks
- 19:54Speaker 1: on some gym equipment, that that's going to be you
- 19:57Speaker 1: for the next five, ten, fifteen, twenty years, that you
- 20:01Speaker 1: are going to train consistently and progressively, that you are
- 20:05Speaker 1: going to do something something remotely like optimize your genetic
- 20:09Speaker 1: potential training in the spare room of the garage or
- 20:11Speaker 1: the back brand or whatever it is. And I think
- 20:14Speaker 1: for most of us, not all, And again I'm just
- 20:16Speaker 1: generalizing here because for me, I understand the nuance and
- 20:21Speaker 1: the variability and the multitude of different issues psychological, emotional, physiological,
- 20:29Speaker 1: practical surrounding this stuff. We think it's just a physical
- 20:34Speaker 1: process lifting weights or building strength. It's not. It's almost
- 20:39Speaker 1: like the physical part is just the easy bit. The
- 20:42Speaker 1: hardest part of all physical transformation is getting our mind
- 20:47Speaker 1: in the right place for us to make the right
- 20:49Speaker 1: decisions and consistently do the right things and build new
- 20:52Speaker 1: habits and behaviors and operating systems that align with our
- 20:57Speaker 1: physical goals, and to keep doing that over period of time,
- 21:01Speaker 1: a long period of time, so this now becomes your
- 21:04Speaker 1: new normal operating system. Everyone starts nearly everybody that I know,
- 21:11Speaker 1: not everyone, but nearly everyone that I know has started
- 21:14Speaker 1: something and then given up, including me at various times
- 21:17Speaker 1: in my life. And so we need to be really
- 21:21Speaker 1: self aware, vulnerable, humble, honest and say, if I do,
- 21:27Speaker 1: if I go and buy myself a bunch of shit
- 21:29Speaker 1: and I put it in the spare room or wherever
- 21:31Speaker 1: it is, am I really genuinely likely to change my body,
- 21:36Speaker 1: build muscle, build strength and maintain that over the long term.
- 21:41Speaker 1: Now you might be the unicorn that does that. If
- 21:43Speaker 1: that's you, giddy up, well done. But if that's not you,
- 21:47Speaker 1: then I really suggest that you find it doesn't need
- 21:51Speaker 1: to be a commercial gym. It could be that you
- 21:53Speaker 1: train with a friend and you do something together three
- 21:56Speaker 1: times a week. It could be at the yacht club.
- 21:58Speaker 1: It could be at the footy, but could be some
- 22:01Speaker 1: other training, could be at the dojo, it could be
- 22:04Speaker 1: some other training environment where you're doing your strength stuff.
- 22:06Speaker 1: But I think that you know, all of this advice
- 22:10Speaker 1: about how to lift weights, how often, how much, and
- 22:13Speaker 1: program design, all of that, all of the technical and
- 22:17Speaker 1: scientific and physiological advice is redundant if we just fucking
- 22:22Speaker 1: give up. And so that's why you know, start something
- 22:27Speaker 1: that you will keep doing. And for me, I think
- 22:31Speaker 1: gyms are perfect for that. Not because I per se
- 22:34Speaker 1: love gyms, but I just I know that people mucht
- 22:37Speaker 1: typically get much better results. My next question is what
- 22:41Speaker 1: should my focus be in the first four to eight weeks. Now, well,
- 22:48Speaker 1: that depends on your starting point. That depends where you're at.
- 22:52Speaker 1: But let's I'm just going to assume that you are somewhere. No,
- 22:58Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm going to give a couple of pieces
- 23:00Speaker 1: of advice. First one is for someone who is close
- 23:04Speaker 1: to beginner, novice, unfit, unstrong, it's not a word, but
- 23:10Speaker 1: it is now so in the first four to eight weeks,
- 23:14Speaker 1: if you are close to the complete beginner end of
- 23:17Speaker 1: the scale, your focus should be, in my opinion, your honor.
- 23:23Speaker 1: Your focus should be consistency, creating a practical operating system
- 23:32Speaker 1: that you will keep doing. So training thirteen times in
- 23:36Speaker 1: the first week ain't a great plan. Let's start on
- 23:41Speaker 1: something that is realistic and maintainable and maybe over time
- 23:45Speaker 1: we'll keep doing it, or we might even build on it.
- 23:48Speaker 1: So we want to be practical and realistic. We want
- 23:52Speaker 1: to start to understand the way that our body interacts
- 23:56Speaker 1: with and responds to the different movements and exercises. We
- 24:01Speaker 1: want to build what I call body awareness. What am
- 24:04Speaker 1: I doing? What am I meant to be feeling? What
- 24:06Speaker 1: does this work? How do I do it? Do I
- 24:09Speaker 1: have my knees bent or straight? Do I stand? Do
- 24:12Speaker 1: I sit? Do I have my elbows in by my side?
- 24:14Speaker 1: Do I have my palms up supernated or my palms down?
- 24:18Speaker 1: Do I do this overhand or underhand? What are all
- 24:21Speaker 1: of the specific specifics of this movement? So we're trying
- 24:25Speaker 1: to learn how to train. We're trying to learn how
- 24:29Speaker 1: to be safe. We're trying to program and condition our
- 24:34Speaker 1: body to this new stimulus that we're putting it in
- 24:37Speaker 1: the middle of. We're not trying to see how strong
- 24:41Speaker 1: we are. We are building a base. We are building
- 24:46Speaker 1: a relationship with strength training. We are improving our understanding,
- 24:51Speaker 1: we are improving our body awareness. We are trying new things.
- 24:56Speaker 1: We are figuring out what is good and what is
- 24:58Speaker 1: not good for our body. There are things that I
- 25:01Speaker 1: can't do safely. I can't squat heavy safely, so I don't.
- 25:10Speaker 1: I can leg press relatively heavy and safely, so I
- 25:14Speaker 1: do so. Depending on where you're starting at you are
- 25:18Speaker 1: spending the first four to eight weeks really just introducing
- 25:23Speaker 1: your body to a new stimulus and building from there.
- 25:26Speaker 1: If you are someone who is already underway, you already
- 25:30Speaker 1: have a bit of strength, a bit of awareness, a
- 25:32Speaker 1: bit of momentum. Then I would say, and after this
- 25:36Speaker 1: you kind of want to kick yourself in the pants
- 25:40Speaker 1: a little bit. You want to reignite the fire a
- 25:42Speaker 1: little bit. I would think about maybe just changing what
- 25:47Speaker 1: you do, or doing what you normally do, but in
- 25:50Speaker 1: a different way. I mean, there are so many people
- 25:54Speaker 1: that essentially do the same workout the same way in
- 26:00Speaker 1: the same gym, on the same equipment time and time
- 26:02Speaker 1: and time again, and then wonder why their body is
- 26:08Speaker 1: not changing or adapting or progressing or improving. And remember
- 26:13Speaker 1: the role, you know, apart from building strength and having
- 26:15Speaker 1: fun and maybe meeting your friends at the gym and
- 26:17Speaker 1: all of that, having a bit of socialization, which I
- 26:19Speaker 1: think is great when you can make that happen. The
- 26:23Speaker 1: other thing that we're trying to do in the gym
- 26:25Speaker 1: is we're just trying to do something to our body
- 26:28Speaker 1: which will cause our body to adapt to that something
- 26:32Speaker 1: that we do. So lifting weights or doing strength training,
- 26:39Speaker 1: doing a chin up, doing a push up, doing a
- 26:41Speaker 1: dumbbell curl, doing a leg extension, doing a hack squad, whatever,
- 26:44Speaker 1: all of those are forms of stress on the muscle.
- 26:47Speaker 1: And when you build strength or when you grow muscle,
- 26:50Speaker 1: we call that hypertrophy, or when you build muscular endurance,
- 26:55Speaker 1: or you build speed or power, all of those things
- 26:59Speaker 1: are adaptations to the thing that you did to your muscle.
- 27:04Speaker 1: And so for those of you who have been training
- 27:06Speaker 1: for a while, we can incorporate another question I've got here,
- 27:09Speaker 1: which is what is maintenance and what is progressive training?
- 27:12Speaker 1: This is that so maintenance training is essentially you do
- 27:16Speaker 1: in a form of the same thing the same way
- 27:19Speaker 1: and then kind of expecting things to change. How come
- 27:22Speaker 1: I'm not getting stronger or faster, or leaner or fitter,
- 27:25Speaker 1: or more muscular or aerobic endurance, or more speed or
- 27:28Speaker 1: more flexibility or a quicker reaction time, or any of
- 27:32Speaker 1: these what we would call fitness indicators or fitness variables.
- 27:37Speaker 1: And the reason is for many people, the reason that
- 27:40Speaker 1: they're not progressing is because they're not training in a
- 27:42Speaker 1: way which will make their body or force their body
- 27:46Speaker 1: to adapt and progress and improve performance. So if you are,
- 27:52Speaker 1: for example, you are someone who's been training for a
- 27:56Speaker 1: while and your goal is to get better. Whatever that
- 28:00Speaker 1: means for you, what does what does that mean? Getting better? Well,
- 28:04Speaker 1: that might be getting that might be running ten k's
- 28:07Speaker 1: in a quicker time. It might be bench pressing more.
- 28:10Speaker 1: It might be it might be improving your dead hang,
- 28:14Speaker 1: so hanging from a chinup bar, just hanging, just body
- 28:16Speaker 1: weight hanging. It might be to improve your hangtime from
- 28:20Speaker 1: ten seconds to thirty seconds. That's progression. It might be
- 28:25Speaker 1: being able to do a one arm row with a
- 28:27Speaker 1: ten kilo dumbbell or a twenty kilo dumbbell when you
- 28:30Speaker 1: started on a five or a seven and a half.
- 28:32Speaker 1: It might be that you now have a bit more
- 28:34Speaker 1: muscle and a bit less fat. It might be that
- 28:36Speaker 1: you now have a lower resting heart rate or lower
- 28:38Speaker 1: blood pressure. It might be that you now have better
- 28:41Speaker 1: posture because you've you've stretched and made the muscles on
- 28:46Speaker 1: your front that's your peck muscles more flexible, and the
- 28:49Speaker 1: muscles at the back, your homboids and traps and lats,
- 28:52Speaker 1: you've made them stronger. So now you've got better naturally
- 28:56Speaker 1: just walking around, better posture. That's progression, that's adaptation, that's growth,
- 29:01Speaker 1: that's improvement. So if you are saying to me, I'm
- 29:06Speaker 1: going to the gym, harps, and I'm going to improve, well,
- 29:11Speaker 1: then you need to do things that are associated with improvement,
- 29:16Speaker 1: that will facilitate, that will preempt, that will cause adaptation.
- 29:22Speaker 1: And I'm telling you right now, the vast majority of
- 29:25Speaker 1: people in gyms anyway, and many other training environments by
- 29:30Speaker 1: the way, but let's talk about gyms for the moment.
- 29:33Speaker 1: Most people are not training in a way which is
- 29:36Speaker 1: even close to optimizing their genetic potential. And it's not
- 29:43Speaker 1: they're not training in a way which is forcing progression
- 29:46Speaker 1: and improvement. They're essentially in a holding pattern like they're training,
- 29:51Speaker 1: or they're exercising, or they're lifting, which is good, which
- 29:54Speaker 1: is good, But what they're essentially doing is keeping what
- 29:57Speaker 1: they've got. So let's say their flexibility is a five,
- 30:01Speaker 1: their strength is a five, their aerobic fitness is a five,
- 30:04Speaker 1: their muscular endurances are five, all the fitness markers are
- 30:07Speaker 1: a five. And then any year they come back and
- 30:11Speaker 1: everything's still a five. Well, that's not terrible, but it
- 30:14Speaker 1: means they haven't improved, they haven't gone backwards. But they
- 30:17Speaker 1: haven't improved. And if you said to those five out
- 30:19Speaker 1: of ten people right now, and we took them five
- 30:21Speaker 1: out of ten based on their potential, not compared to
- 30:25Speaker 1: any standard or any other person, but just on that
- 30:28Speaker 1: person's potential. If I could go into the gym now
- 30:32Speaker 1: and interview twenty random strangers and they didn't know me,
- 30:35Speaker 1: and I didn't know them, any gym in Melbourne or
- 30:37Speaker 1: any gym in any city anywhere, and I said, hey,
- 30:40Speaker 1: can I ask you a quick question, is your goal
- 30:42Speaker 1: in the next year to kind of stay where you
- 30:45Speaker 1: are physically or to improve? Probably twenty would say I
- 30:49Speaker 1: want to improve. Very few people say I don't want
- 30:53Speaker 1: to improve. Very few people say where I'm at right
- 30:57Speaker 1: now is where I want to be. But nonetheless, most
- 31:00Speaker 1: people train in a way which is going to keep
- 31:02Speaker 1: them trapped in that groundhog Danus of physiology, So maintenance
- 31:09Speaker 1: versus progression. You want to be training progressively unless you're
- 31:13Speaker 1: already where you want to be. So that's the answer
- 31:16Speaker 1: to the question, what is maintenance and what is maintenance training?
- 31:19Speaker 1: And what is progressive training? My next question that I
- 31:22Speaker 1: get asked, I'm realizing this ain't going to be forty
- 31:25Speaker 1: five minutes, so I might break it into two bits.
- 31:28Speaker 1: The next question I get asked is what do I
- 31:31Speaker 1: do now? None of what I'm about to share with
- 31:34Speaker 1: you is advice for you. It's just that people seem
- 31:37Speaker 1: to be interested in what I do personally. So I'm
- 31:42Speaker 1: going to give you a snapshot into my and I'll
- 31:45Speaker 1: speak a bit more broadly than just strength, but all
- 31:48Speaker 1: of it to give you an insight. Again, not a recommendation,
- 31:50Speaker 1: not a prescription, but a lot of people my age
- 31:55Speaker 1: are not in particularly good shape. A lot of people
- 31:58Speaker 1: want to be in good shape, and a lot of
- 32:00Speaker 1: people are curious about, well, what is possible, and what
- 32:03Speaker 1: is possible is often a lot more than you think.
- 32:07Speaker 1: All right, So my strength protocol is just that I
- 32:10Speaker 1: go to the gym every day and I don't follow
- 32:16Speaker 1: a set. Okay, Monday I do chest and back, Tuesday,
- 32:20Speaker 1: I do you know, lower back and legs. Wednesday I
- 32:24Speaker 1: do shoulders and arms. Thursday I have off and then
- 32:28Speaker 1: I get then I repeat from day one through. I
- 32:31Speaker 1: don't do that. I train somewhat instinctively, but also an
- 32:34Speaker 1: exercise scientist, and so I understand training, and I've been
- 32:37Speaker 1: training forever. I've pretty much always got some kind of
- 32:42Speaker 1: limitation or injury. Right now, I've got a torn rotator cuff,
- 32:45Speaker 1: which is some muscles around the shoulder where the humor
- 32:49Speaker 1: is the head of the humorous the big armbone goes
- 32:51Speaker 1: into the shoulder humoral joint. You don't need to know
- 32:55Speaker 1: all that. Bottom line is, technically speaking, left shoulders a
- 32:58Speaker 1: bit fucked. So what I do is if I get
- 33:00Speaker 1: to science, he let me know. So what I do
- 33:03Speaker 1: is I go into the gym and I go what
- 33:04Speaker 1: can I do? What can I do? I'm doing specific
- 33:07Speaker 1: rehab work at the moment to fix my shoulder, or
- 33:10Speaker 1: to fix it as much as I can, but I
- 33:13Speaker 1: train around it. So there's some things that in the
- 33:16Speaker 1: gym that I would do that would make my shoulder worse.
- 33:18Speaker 1: I don't do them. There's some things that I can
- 33:21Speaker 1: do that hurt a little but don't make the actual
- 33:24Speaker 1: injury worse. And there's some things that I can do
- 33:26Speaker 1: that are next pain free other than just the pain
- 33:30Speaker 1: that comes with doing the movement hard. And so I
- 33:34Speaker 1: do waits every day. I do about an hour every day.
- 33:39Speaker 1: Maybe I'm in the gym for an hour and a quarter,
- 33:41Speaker 1: sometimes an hour and a half. If I'm being fully transparent,
- 33:49Speaker 1: quite a bit of that time is talking, helping other people,
- 33:53Speaker 1: talking to my training partner, talking to his kids, training
- 33:56Speaker 1: a few people that I kind of help out a
- 33:58Speaker 1: bit here and there. Johnny who got blown up and
- 34:02Speaker 1: was told he'd never walk. I work with him two
- 34:04Speaker 1: three times a week. Love, he's guts, beautiful human being,
- 34:09Speaker 1: and so in that, you know, i might be in
- 34:12Speaker 1: the gym for an hour and a quarter, but I'm
- 34:14Speaker 1: only actually lifting stuff for truly twenty to thirty minutes,
- 34:20Speaker 1: Like when I'm actually lifting a weight might be twenty
- 34:23Speaker 1: to thirty minutes. I would generally, now, if I go
- 34:27Speaker 1: to the gym on my own, which is rare, I'm
- 34:30Speaker 1: in and out in forty five minutes because I'm just
- 34:33Speaker 1: doing my thing. Let's just go It's a normal day
- 34:36Speaker 1: and it's just me, right, So yeah, I would go
- 34:39Speaker 1: in and I generally do more compound movements. What is
- 34:44Speaker 1: a compound movement? Let's ask that as a question. Compound
- 34:47Speaker 1: movement is a movement that is using two or more joints,
- 34:51Speaker 1: or two or more joints are involved, and then multiple
- 34:53Speaker 1: muscle groups. So, for example, let's just do something that
- 34:57Speaker 1: we all know a bise curl where you've got your
- 35:01Speaker 1: palm up and you just bring a weight up towards
- 35:04Speaker 1: your chin and then you lower the weight back down
- 35:06Speaker 1: towards your hip. That's what we would call an isolation
- 35:09Speaker 1: movement because it's just one joint involved, which is the
- 35:14Speaker 1: elbow joint. And what we're doing is we're bending the elbow.
- 35:18Speaker 1: That's called elbow flexion. And when we put a weight
- 35:21Speaker 1: in the hand, whether that's a dumbbell, barber, whatever it is,
- 35:24Speaker 1: you know, a band, a cable, row, anything, and we're
- 35:29Speaker 1: doing elbow flexion that is bringing the palm up to
- 35:32Speaker 1: the chin region. We call that elbow flexion underload. All
- 35:37Speaker 1: of those are various kinds of curls. So barbell curl,
- 35:41Speaker 1: z bar curl, cable curl, dumbbell curl, hammer curl, preacher curl,
- 35:46Speaker 1: all curls, and you've all I'm using this because everyone
- 35:49Speaker 1: knows nearly everyone knows what a curl is, but all
- 35:52Speaker 1: curls are essentially the exact same or very similar movement,
- 35:55Speaker 1: which is elbow flexion underload. So that's a single joint movement. Now,
- 35:59Speaker 1: let's do some thing like a bench press. Now, maybe
- 36:03Speaker 1: you have never bench pressed, but I think most people
- 36:05Speaker 1: know what it looks like. So a bench press is
- 36:08Speaker 1: a multi joint exercise, So you're using shoulder joint and
- 36:14Speaker 1: elbow joint, and you're also using other joints as stabilizers.
- 36:18Speaker 1: But in terms of what's actually moving significantly through the movement,
- 36:23Speaker 1: that is shoulders and elbow and also like for example,
- 36:27Speaker 1: back just quickly to the curl, we're using primarily biceps,
- 36:31Speaker 1: and we're also moving we're also using a muscle called brachialis,
- 36:34Speaker 1: which is under the bicep, and then brachio radialis, which
- 36:38Speaker 1: is kind of forum and crosses over the elbow joint.
- 36:41Speaker 1: But you know, all of these are what we call
- 36:43Speaker 1: elbow flexa muscles, right, But it's really very much an
- 36:47Speaker 1: isolation movement. But then when we look at something like
- 36:53Speaker 1: the bench press, we are working the whole chest, and
- 36:56Speaker 1: we're working our shoulders, and we're working our triceps that's
- 37:00Speaker 1: around the back from the biceps. And any time we're
- 37:03Speaker 1: doing a pushing movement, we are doing we are using
- 37:08Speaker 1: our triceps. Anytime we're doing a pushing movement, we're doing
- 37:11Speaker 1: what's called elbow extension. Now, if you put your hand
- 37:15Speaker 1: on your chest right now, you are in elbow flexion.
- 37:19Speaker 1: If you put your palm on your chest right now,
- 37:21Speaker 1: you're in elbow flexion. Now if you put your palm
- 37:25Speaker 1: out straight in front of you with a straight arm,
- 37:27Speaker 1: you've just done elbow extension. And what allowed you to
- 37:32Speaker 1: do elbow extension is primarily your triceps, which sit on
- 37:36Speaker 1: the back of the arm. So most of the work
- 37:38Speaker 1: that I do is compound movements, so deadlifts, leg press,
- 37:48Speaker 1: sholder press, upright rows, push ups, chins, seated row and
- 37:59Speaker 1: the like, you know, but I also do some isolation stuff.
- 38:02Speaker 1: So my strength protocol is every day. It doesn't need
- 38:05Speaker 1: to be every day, by the way, I just enjoy it.
- 38:07Speaker 1: Some days are harder, some days are easier. If I
- 38:11Speaker 1: go into the gym and I'm a little bit flat
- 38:15Speaker 1: or tired, or my energy is not great and it's
- 38:17Speaker 1: genuinely not great, it's not me just being a pussy,
- 38:22Speaker 1: then I will back off. I will have a somewhat
- 38:25Speaker 1: easier day. There are sometimes where I go to the
- 38:28Speaker 1: gym and I realize I'm real sore or real tired,
- 38:31Speaker 1: and I'll just train a few people and I'll talk
- 38:33Speaker 1: to people and I'll go home. That's not very often.
- 38:35Speaker 1: That's maybe three days a year, and there's probably another
- 38:38Speaker 1: two or three days a year where I might not
- 38:40Speaker 1: get to the gym because I'm flying somewhere. I'm traveling.
- 38:43Speaker 1: It's like practically impossible to get to a gym. But
- 38:49Speaker 1: I would say there are no more than ten days
- 38:51Speaker 1: a year, probably no more than five that I do
- 38:57Speaker 1: absolutely nothing in terms of strength stuff, even if that
- 39:01Speaker 1: means that I do five sets of push ups in
- 39:04Speaker 1: my hotel room. All right, So that's my kind of
- 39:06Speaker 1: strength protocol. And just FYI, I run three days a
- 39:10Speaker 1: week or four days a week. It's short, at sharp,
- 39:13Speaker 1: and I run generally two to three k's. I run
- 39:16Speaker 1: out the front door. I run like Phoebe Buffet from Friends.
- 39:20Speaker 1: If you don't know who that is, just do a
- 39:23Speaker 1: search on Phoebe Buffet running. You'll see a little bit
- 39:27Speaker 1: more technique than that. And I do that because short, hard,
- 39:31Speaker 1: sharp is all you need to be getting real cardiovascular benefits.
- 39:36Speaker 1: I don't want to do long I can actually run
- 39:38Speaker 1: quite well, but I don't want to do long, steady
- 39:42Speaker 1: state runs. I don't want to be doing ten k runs.
- 39:44Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with them, but I don't want to
- 39:46Speaker 1: be doing them, because as soon as I start to
- 39:49Speaker 1: do twenty thirty forty fifty ks of running a week,
- 39:52Speaker 1: I lose lots of muscle. So for me to get
- 39:54Speaker 1: muscle and hold onto it is a work. So I
- 39:59Speaker 1: don't want to undo that. So I do strength stuff
- 40:02Speaker 1: as I described, and also cardio stuff which is not
- 40:05Speaker 1: endurance based, short, hard, sharp, so I get the cardiovascular benefit,
- 40:10Speaker 1: but I hold onto the muscle. All right, I've kind
- 40:14Speaker 1: of answered the next question, but I'll quickly touch on it.
- 40:16Speaker 1: So what are the benefits of strength training in no
- 40:20Speaker 1: particular order of importance? Bone density, which is really important
- 40:23Speaker 1: as we age people. If you get say two twin
- 40:26Speaker 1: sisters that are sixty, and everything else is identical, you know, lifestyle, food, even,
- 40:34Speaker 1: you know job, incidental activity, occupational activity, obviously genetics, DNA.
- 40:41Speaker 1: But one of them lifts weights consistently and one doesn't,
- 40:44Speaker 1: then you'll find the sister who lifts weights has got
- 40:46Speaker 1: a much higher bone density. If everything else is all
- 40:51Speaker 1: things being equal, generally you're going to see one with
- 40:53Speaker 1: much higher bone density, which higher bone density and higher
- 40:58Speaker 1: body strength equates too longer hell span and longer lifespan.
- 41:01Speaker 1: And also if one of them perish the thought. But
- 41:04Speaker 1: one of them falls over, one of them is way
- 41:06Speaker 1: more likely to break a hip or break some kind
- 41:08Speaker 1: of bone than the other, so bone deadseity. We're talking
- 41:10Speaker 1: about the benefits of strength training lean mass, so we
- 41:14Speaker 1: know when we have more muscle. Now we're not talking
- 41:16Speaker 1: about being a body builder, a massive and jack, but
- 41:18Speaker 1: when we have more muscle, muscle is metabolically active. What
- 41:22Speaker 1: that means is that muscle uses more energy than fat,
- 41:26Speaker 1: So body muscle muscle on the body. Lean mass uses
- 41:29Speaker 1: more energy. So the bottom line is that the more
- 41:32Speaker 1: muscle you have, within reason, it helps you stay lean.
- 41:36Speaker 1: Because let's say we've got again, let's go back to
- 41:39Speaker 1: these sisters. Let's say these six sisters weigh both of
- 41:42Speaker 1: them weigh sixty kilos. One's got a lot of muscle
- 41:46Speaker 1: for her age and weight, and the others got more
- 41:49Speaker 1: fat and less muscle. Well, the sixty kilo twin that's
- 41:54Speaker 1: got more muscle will actually be able to eat more
- 41:57Speaker 1: food because having more muscle require more energy in brackets calories,
- 42:03Speaker 1: and so she has the shares the pleasure of being
- 42:07Speaker 1: able to eat more food than her sister who's got
- 42:09Speaker 1: less mass. Without that game, so being strong having muscle
- 42:16Speaker 1: also has a metabolic advantage. So other benefits of strength
- 42:22Speaker 1: training of course, balance sporting, performance, cognition, as I said before,
- 42:28Speaker 1: quality of life in general, and just I guess on
- 42:32Speaker 1: a really practical level, for older people like my mum
- 42:35Speaker 1: and dad, being stronger allows them to more effectively do
- 42:40Speaker 1: what we call activities of daily living ADLs and yeah,
- 42:49Speaker 1: and who doesn't want to be able to be functional
- 42:51Speaker 1: and operational when you're old? So activities of daily living,
- 42:54Speaker 1: you know, getting in and out of air, in and
- 42:55Speaker 1: out of the car, being able to step up onto
- 42:58Speaker 1: a low step and get something out of a covered
- 43:00Speaker 1: being able to make beds, being able to carry things
- 43:03Speaker 1: to the washing machine or maybe carrying something out to
- 43:06Speaker 1: the car or doing housework. So just you know, being
- 43:11Speaker 1: in your seventies and eighties and being comparatively or relatively
- 43:17Speaker 1: strong for your chronological age sets you up well for
- 43:22Speaker 1: your latter years. I get a team. I'm just going
- 43:25Speaker 1: to interrupt myself. Look at me interrupting me. This went
- 43:29Speaker 1: way longer than I thought it would, but not really
- 43:33Speaker 1: surprising because it's me anyway. So ended up being somewhere
- 43:38Speaker 1: around about now and a quarter of me just bloody
- 43:40Speaker 1: banging on in my office by myself, the extended monologue version.
- 43:45Speaker 1: So I'm going to call this the end of part
- 43:47Speaker 1: one for now. I'll be back tomorrow to complete the conversation.
- 43:52Speaker 1: See then,