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Pesticides, The Silent Killer w/ Sarah Starman |EP595 · The Big Mig Show

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  How you feeling? You're good.
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  Yeah, I'm pretty good, man. Pretty.
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  Good. You sure that you ain't those?
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  It ain't the pain meds talking bro.
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  No, listen, I haven't taken. All I've taken is Tylenol.
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  Yeah, I just did, using ice and Tylenol.
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  Know it's funny, I'm in less pain right now than I was prior
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  Come on man. All right, so, you know, we're
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  joined. You guys know that often we we
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  do this show, it's all about trying to educate you and really
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  get the truth out there. The truth is never easy.
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  You know, I was just talking to our guests backstage.
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  And sometimes when you're telling the truth, you feel
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  isolated. One of the big things you've
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  heard about Roundup, you've heard about pesticides.
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  But sometimes we all minimize maybe what that really means.
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  And today we're joined by Sarah Starman, and she's a senior Food
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  and Agriculture campaigner with Friends of the Earth, where she
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  works to protect people and the environment from toxic
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  pesticides, advanced healthier methods of agriculture like
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  organic farming, and fight the influence of big AG over our
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  food system, which you guys know that is a constant battle.
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  They are extremely powerful. Their lobbyists are very
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  powerful. She has ABA from the University
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  of Pennsylvania. She's a graduate of Green
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  Corpse, the field school for organizers.
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  She's a skilled campaigner with over a decade of advocacy and
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  policy experience. And since 2021, she's been the
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  primary operate for her family's 110 acre farm on the Eastern
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  Shore of Maryland Patent itself. I can't imagine working full
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  time and taking care of a farm. We were discussing that and how
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  complicated it is. Let's go ahead and bring her in.
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  George. No reason to leave backstage.
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  Welcome to the big, big show, Sarah Starman.
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  How you doing girl? Thanks for having me.
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  I'm glad to be here. We're.
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  Glad to. Have thanks for joining us,
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  Sarah. So let's let's talk about your
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  farm for just a second to give the audience a little
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  background. So this was your grandparents
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  farm originally. Is that when it started?
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  Yes. So it is my grandparents farm.
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  It still belongs to them, but they retired about five years
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  ago and someone in the family needed to take over.
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  We wanted it to stay in the family, and I've always been
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  really passionate about conservation and about healthy
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  food, so I took over when they retired.
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  And it's on the Eastern Shore of Maryland in the Chesapeake Bay
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  region. We have 110 acres, including
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  some wildlife habitat that's mostly used for hunting and
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  conservation, and hazelnut and chestnut orchard.
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  Wow, Yeah, it's a lot of work. I can't imagine.
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  I I didn't grow up in a farm. I grew up in New York and I grew
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  up in Fordham Rd. in the Bronx and then White Plains later,
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  although there were, there were lots of farms we'd visit.
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  My family would go out and buy, you know, fruit and vegetables
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  from different farms around New York.
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  It was always great to go to those locations and buy fresh
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  produce. Of course, it wasn't as big a
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  struggle back then. I'm not sure that Big AG was as
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  ruthless as when I was a child as they are now, you know, but
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  that's kind of a, you know, this, this is such a monster
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  fight. I guess I have to ask you, what
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  kind of got you started in that direction?
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  Was it because if you grew up around the farm and you were
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  concerned early on or, or, or was it school?
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  I mean, what kind of triggered you?
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  Because we all have that, at least I do.
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  You know, we all have this epiphany moment at some point.
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  I was never really that political and I basically stayed
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  on the sidelines most of the time.
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  But as I began to really understand what was really going
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  on, I got to the point where I just couldn't tolerate it any
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  longer. I thought that this isn't really
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  what I think should be going on. So how did you kind of head down
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  this path? Yeah, that's a great question.
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  I think the thing that really kind of triggered me
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  specifically on getting chemicals out of our food, air
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  and water and on the issue of toxic pesticides was when I
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  actually moved to the farm four years ago, I just saw how much
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  exposure there is in rural areas.
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  And I mean, something that really motivated me on the
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  personal level is that my grandfather was diagnosed with
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  Parkinson's a number of years ago, and he actually passed away
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  earlier this year. And I know that he used a highly
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  hazardous herbicide called Paraquat on the farm when he
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  managed it. I found it in the barns.
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  I know that he used it during his lifetime and that's actually
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  a pesticide that is linked to Parkinson's disease.
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  And it's so toxic that it's banned in over 70 other
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  countries around the world, but it's not banned in the US.
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  It's still available commercially and we use hundreds
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  of thousands of pounds of it. And so, you know, this really
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  raised some questions for me living in this rural area,
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  living on my grandparents farm, seeing my grandfather struggle
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  with Parkinson's after using a pesticide linked to Parkinson's,
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  that just made me start asking questions.
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  Why are pesticides that are banned in other countries
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  allowed here? Why do people have to be exposed
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  to these chemicals at all in the US?
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  Would my grandfather still have gotten this chronic disease if
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  he hadn't been exposed to paraquat?
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  And that's not, you know, a story that's unique to me.
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  I think that's what's motivating a lot of people right now to
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  fight for a healthier food system and to fight against
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  chemical exposure. Both in rural America and across
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  the country, people are losing more and more loved ones to
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  cancers, to neurological disorders.
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  Many of these chronic health conditions are on the rise, and
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  they're often linked to toxic exposure in our food, air,
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  water, or environment. So that's something that I think
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  really got me into this particular field of trying to
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  get toxics out of our food system.
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  You know, Lance, it's funny because, you know, why does the
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  United States allow these these chemicals on our food?
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  Same thing with the, you know, we do.
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  We're going through the same thing with dyes, all these crazy
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  chemicals that are allowed in our foods, our cereals that
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  they're banned in other countries.
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  Hopefully they can get rid of this crap because it's getting
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  ridiculous because they say so many, so many kids, people are
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  getting sick because of all these chemicals in the food.
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  It's we hear it non-stop. And hopefully Kennedy started.
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  Yeah, hopefully Kennedy gets on top of this and.
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  Well, the tough part is, is that they are so sophisticated about
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  the operation and they've, they're so well funded.
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  And I say they because it, it's interesting when you look at all
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  of it, what I think's a struggle, what I think is always
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  interesting. We were talking about this
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  backstage before Sarah came on, is that, you know, these or
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  these, you know, the, the, the, the food agricultural business
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  is so well funded and their lobbyists are so powerful.
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  And it's, it's interesting if you travel a lot and if you
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  start comparing labels of foods and for say, for example, you
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  take a look at a ketchup bottle in another country and it may be
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  very simple that it's sugar, vinegar, tomatoes, you know,
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  salt seasonings. And then you look at the ketchup
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  bottle here and it's got 50 different things in it.
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  About 80% of them, you have no idea what the hell they are
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  unless you're an expert like Sarah.
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  And you ask yourself, why is that?
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  Why is it that our food is so loaded with so many different
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  things when it just could be much simpler?
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  And I understand they want to extend the shelf life, but a lot
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  of it goes beyond shelf life extension.
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  And you ask yourself, OK, why did they need that?
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  And my question always comes down to, it's always one of
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  these things that I think to myself, what's the real plan
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  behind the scenes? Because I know probably the
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  difficulty and we were, we were discussing this is how knowing
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  the truth somewhat alienates you and you end up kind of, and what
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  happens to George and I, there's things that we know about, even
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  things that we've been told that maybe we can't discuss because
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  they were told in confidence to us about something going on.
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  Maybe when it gets exposed later where we can bring it up then
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  because we get lots of information from different
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  people within the government and agencies around it.
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  But it's interesting that you, the, the more you know, the more
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  difficult it becomes. And then you ask yourself, well,
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  why the hell would it be like that?
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  We were discussing and for the audience, you know, if you guys
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  go back and look at pictures of the beaches, 1950s, early 60's,
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  the people looked a lot different.
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  They looked a lot healthier. There wasn't this obesity issue.
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  I don't think the, the prevalence of, you know, whether
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  it was Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, cancer, they, they, they were
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  less prevalent. We were a healthier society, but
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  yet supposedly we've improved things, you know, and I guess
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  you know, for you, your journey, you, you know, you, you're part
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  of the green corpse training and you're doing national campaigns
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  at Friends of the Earth. You know, as you're doing that
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  stuff, do you feel like the struggle is real?
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  You know, you're fighting constantly.
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  Like son of a bitch. This should just be so easy.
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  And all I do is feel like a salmon swimming upstream.
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  Really great question. I think the part that is easy is
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  that this is an extremely unifying issue.
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  And when we're talking about everyday Americans, I work with
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  people, you know, from all, from all walks of life, all across
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  the country, all different political affiliations, all
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  different identities. And everyone wants to be
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  healthy. Everyone wants their loved ones
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  to be healthy. And no one is excited about
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  having toxic chemicals in their food.
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  No one wants toxic chemicals in their food.
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  That's extremely unifying. And so that part is easy.
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  It's not hard to connect with other everyday people.
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  The difficult part, the part that feels most like swimming
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  upstream, which you sort of alluded to, is fighting the
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  chemical industry and Big AG and these other industries that have
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  so much influence over our political system and have
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  corrupted our political and regulatory processes.
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  I mean, the pesticide industry, the chemical industry spends $77
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  million a year on lobbying at the federal level.
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  That puts them as one of the highest industry spenders in DC,
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  and they spend millions of dollars on advertising, and they
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  do all sorts of things at the state level as well.
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  So the industry's fighting tooth and nail to keep their toxic
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  products on the market and to keep politicians in their
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  pocket, even though there's a lot of unification among
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  everyday Americans across the political spectrum around
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  wanting healthier food and wanting chemicals out of our
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  food. Yeah, it's, you know, and, and,
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  and people, I think a lot of times there's an assumption
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  that, you know, of course these industries want the best for us
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  and I, I don't agree with that. I think what they want is the
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  best profit. It's not about necessarily
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  creating healthier food. You know, and there's, and of
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  course there's lots of different belief systems out there.
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  You know, some people think it's because of the, you know, going
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  from what would have been predominantly A carnivore diet,
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  of course, an agricultural diet with lots of wheat.
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  But it's interesting that when you eat wheat, say you're in
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  Italy as an example, and you eat a weed or flower product, you
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  don't have the same reaction. Not a lot of people claim it's
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  gluten, but we, you know, the people that are in the know,
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  know it's glycophate, right? That, that that's probably
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  what's really causing the reaction.
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  I have some of that, but when I'm overseas, I can eat as much
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  pasta and weed or anything I want.
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  I also don't feel bloated afterwards.
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  You don't have this general sensation of bloating.
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  And I think people don't realize that the core issues and what
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  we're having here is it's all about for profit.
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  It's not about for help. It's not about for doing the
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  better thing for you or your children.
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  And I and, and a lot of people are very enthusiastic about RFK,
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  you know, Junior and as are we, we, we supported him 100%.
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  But I feel like he's got such a monster to go up against.
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  And I'm just not sure that this administration is, is, do you
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  know, we all wanted accountability and consequences
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  and we were all hoping that things would move more quickly
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  than they are. Because it's always interesting
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  that four years goes by much more, much faster than anybody
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  ever assumes. What do you think about the, the
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  workload that RFK is taking on? Because, you know, I, I trust
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  him and I know he wants to do the right thing, but I'm
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  wondering if he's going to be able to do it in the time he's
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  got. That's a great question.
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  And to be honest, I am concerned because I think, you know, the
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  spirit of where Kennedy's coming from, which is we need real
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  reform on these issues and to make people healthy again.
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  That, you know, I think is great.
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  But he's one person. And then we have the entire
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  administration and Congress who are, I think, mostly operating
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  against him. And we're really seeing that
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  fight play out right now, especially in terms of
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  chemicals. So on the one hand, we have
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  Kennedy and the Maha Commission releasing their report saying,
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  hey, you know, toxic pesticide exposure impacts Children's
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  Health. Children are particularly
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  vulnerable from conception through puberty to the impacts
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  of pesticides, and they're being exposed to dozens of these
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  chemicals in their food. And that's leading to chronic
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  health issues. And that is in part because of
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  the influence of the pesticide industry, and we need to address
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  that. So that's in, you know, the
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  Mohawk Commission report. But then on the other hand, you
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  know, we have Lee Zeldin, who's the chief administrator of the
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  EPA right now, who's appointing chemical industry lobbyists to
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  oversee chemical safety. And so those are, you know, two
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  hands working at total cross purposes within the
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  administration. And then we have Congress, who
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  is also not acting in a way that would reduce our exposures to
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  chemicals. For example, you know, in their
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  budget reconciliation bill they're trying to pass right
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  now, there's a $30 billion increase for chemical intensive
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  commodity crop subsidies, which will lock, you know, large
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  industrial commodity farmers into another decade of chemical
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  production and is basically a handout direct to the chemical
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  industry. It'll pass directly through
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  large industrial farms straight to like major pesticide
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  producers. So we're seeing really the
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  administration not kind of sure how to make its goal, like how
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  to advance these goals. Yeah, it's, it's definitely a
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  battle, you know, and, and, and that's, and that's the problem,
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  right? Because the lobbyists have
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  become so incredibly powerful. And me personally, you know,
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  again, I'm not ever going to be president of the United States,
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  but if I was, I'd probably make lobbying illegal, at least
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  during my time. I'm sure I couldn't get it
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  passed through Congress, but I could have passed an executive
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  order at least for my time period and say, yeah, lobbying
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  is illegal. If you get caught lobbying, you
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  get a 5 to 10 year instant sentence.
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  Because those lobbyists, you know what they do?
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  The manipulation of our administration.
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  Let's face it, Congress, for the most part on both sides of the
• 18:54
  aisle, I'd be surprised if 10 or 15% of them were honest men and
• 18:58
  women. I think if we really dug into
• 19:00
  their finances and into their personal communication devices
• 19:04
  and maybe drug tested them, I'd be surprised if many of them
• 19:08
  passed. Maybe some of them would, but I
• 19:09
  think it'd be a very small number.
• 19:11
  I'd rather go up to their bank accounts.
• 19:13
  Yeah, no kidding. No kidding.
• 19:15
  I agree with that. Crypto, or actually even
• 19:17
  probably their crypto wallets, you know?
• 19:20
  Yeah, you never know what's going on nowadays.
• 19:22
  Well, of course, they're always looking for a new, easier way to
• 19:24
  get access to the foundations, the NGOs, the Super PACs.
• 19:29
  Let's talk about this is a term I was not familiar with.
• 19:32
  You know, I have no background in farming clearly.
• 19:36
  And, and, but I do know a little bit, you know, we, we've had
• 19:38
  some guests on talking about soil remediation and how we've
• 19:41
  ruined the soil and how that's one of the first things that
• 19:44
  really needs to be fixed. But it's difficult with the
• 19:46
  pesticides that are in the soil. We'll talk about, let's talk
• 19:48
  about no till. You wrote a report called
• 19:50
  Rethinking No Till and you go into some details about how 93%
• 19:55
  of no till acres use herbicides. So maybe kind of explain to the
• 19:59
  audience what no till is and kind of give the background and
• 20:01
  take us through that a little bit so maybe they can further
• 20:03
  understand that term. So no till, just to define it.
• 20:08
  First and foremost, it's a farming practice where you
• 20:12
  minimize physical disturbance of the soil by not tilling or
• 20:15
  plowing. In some cases it can lead to
• 20:18
  positive outcomes like reduced erosion and other positive
• 20:23
  outcomes. But the majority of no tail
• 20:26
  farming in our country right now is implemented in large scale
• 20:29
  chemical intensive systems and we wanted to write a report
• 20:33
  about that to expose how that is a project of the chemical
• 20:38
  industry and how large chemical companies are actually
• 20:41
  greenwashing the term regenerative agriculture at
• 20:44
  present. So the way that's happened is
• 20:47
  that no till, which again is a farming practice, it can be
• 20:50
  implemented in truly regenerative systems or not, has
• 20:54
  been lifted up as a key pillar or a key practice of
• 20:57
  regenerative agriculture. But what we found in our report
• 21:01
  is that the chemical industry has actually been deeply
• 21:04
  intertwined with that and they have been pushing chemical
• 21:06
  intensive no till since the 1970s.
• 21:10
  Imperial Chemical Industries and Chevron have both been promoting
• 21:14
  no till since for the past 50 years.
• 21:17
  And So what we looked at was corn and soy production in the
• 21:20
  US and how much of that production is no till since corn
• 21:23
  and soy are leading crops. And we found that about 107
• 21:28
  million acres of corn and soy are in no till production, no
• 21:31
  till or minimum till production. And 93% of those acres at least
• 21:37
  are heavily dependent on chemical herbicides like
• 21:40
  glyphosate and atrazine that damage soil health, that harm
• 21:45
  are harmful to human health, and that have other devastating
• 21:48
  impacts on both the environment and people.
• 21:51
  And So what we wanted to do was not to blame farmers for this,
• 21:55
  but to lift up how the chemical industry has been involved and
• 21:58
  how they've been trying to push chemical intensive no till as
• 22:03
  the leading form of regenerative agriculture.
• 22:05
  When we know that truly regenerative agriculture will
• 22:08
  actually be done with very limited chemicals, will reduce
• 22:12
  the impact of chemicals on people and the environment.
• 22:17
  Yeah, it's the the narrative, and I'm not saying they're the
• 22:21
  original. There's no doubt that Big AG has
• 22:24
  done an amazing job when it comes to controlling narratives,
• 22:27
  right? Even corn as an example, it's
• 22:31
  been so modified, the pesticides and of course, it seems like
• 22:37
  corn sugar syrup has been just stuck into every possible thing
• 22:42
  you can imagine in any food that's on the shelves.
• 22:45
  You start looking at the labels and you're asking yourself,
• 22:47
  well, why the hell is that even in here?
• 22:50
  And I'm, I'm always concerned, what do you think about the
• 22:54
  control of the narrative? They seem do, do you have any
• 22:57
  idea? Because I don't know the exact
• 22:58
  numbers, every idea what big AG puts into their marketing
• 23:01
  campaigns, let alone I know they're always researching ways
• 23:04
  to make more money. You know what doesn't matter
• 23:08
  whether it's using an industrial waste product like like like
• 23:13
  fluoride as an example. A lot of people hear that word
• 23:16
  fluoride and they did that. And the reason I bring that up
• 23:18
  is because what a incredible marketing campaign to take a
• 23:21
  waste product and make it seem like it was so beneficial.
• 23:25
  What do you think their marketing budget is?
• 23:26
  Do you think they put in 50% of their dollars, dollar to the
• 23:29
  bottom line or more? That's a great question.
• 23:32
  I don't have an exact figure, but all I can say is that it's a
• 23:36
  lot. I mean, since glyphosate has
• 23:38
  been a larger part of the national conversation recently
• 23:41
  and glyphosate, as I think you both know and many of your
• 23:44
  listeners probably know, it's the most widely used chemical in
• 23:47
  the US. We use millions, hundreds of
• 23:49
  millions of pounds every single year.
• 23:52
  It's also known as Roundup. And it is linked to a wide
• 23:55
  variety of health issues from endocrine disruption to
• 23:58
  disruption of the gut microbiome.
• 23:59
  Of course, cancers like non Hodgkin's lymphoma, which led
• 24:03
  to, you know, over 150,000 lawsuits towards Bayer,
• 24:07
  Monsanto, the manufacturer, glyphosate alone, which has
• 24:12
  become a large part of the national conversation.
• 24:14
  They've been running the chemical industry, which has
• 24:17
  alliance called the Modern AG Alliance.
• 24:19
  It's a kind of coalition of industry groups and actors.
• 24:22
  They have been putting full page ads in major newspapers every
• 24:27
  single day for almost a year, trying to stop, you know, people
• 24:32
  from feeling negatively about glyphosate and trying to stop
• 24:34
  glyphosate from being regulated and stop government officials
• 24:38
  from protecting us from glyphosate.
• 24:40
  So that alone is an major advertising expense.
• 24:44
  And that doesn't cover TV ads, all the other advertising they
• 24:47
  do. And again, that doesn't cover
• 24:49
  everything they spend on lobbying.
• 24:50
  Like I said, they spend $77 million a year, the chemical
• 24:54
  industry on lobbying in DC, which puts them among the top
• 24:57
  spenders on political lobbying. So we're seeing a huge push
• 25:00
  right now from the chemical industry to keep their products
• 25:03
  on the market even as public sentiment grows against them.
• 25:07
  Another example of how the chemical industry is spending
• 25:09
  money on kind of marketing and lobbying and trying to shape the
• 25:13
  world to their desires is they've been trying to pass
• 25:16
  these pesticide immunity bills, which I'm not sure if we're
• 25:19
  going to bring. Them up it's nice, you know, we
• 25:21
  always talk about and George. Wait, I have a question before
• 25:24
  you go off. So you were talking about
• 25:26
  Roundup, right? Yes, I probably shouldn't have
• 25:28
  used the last of my roundup outside.
• 25:30
  So what do you recommend to in replacement of roundup?
• 25:34
  It's not using roundup. Yes, OK, I get asked this all
• 25:38
  the time and especially as a farmer, people are how do you
• 25:41
  control weeds on your farm, in your yard?
• 25:44
  So I have two recommendations. The 1st is if you really want to
• 25:49
  use a chemical or a spray still, I recommend looking for
• 25:52
  something that's OMRI certified. OMRI certified, so inorganic
• 25:59
  agriculture, there are more than 900 pesticides and that are
• 26:03
  prohibited, and OM recertified is an organic adjacent
• 26:08
  certification for home and garden pesticides.
• 26:11
  So if you find something with the seal that says OMRI, OM
• 26:14
  recertified, it's almost definitely better for your
• 26:17
  health and environment. It's had to pass much stricter
• 26:19
  standards of review to get that certification.
• 26:22
  The ingredients are on the National Organic list of
• 26:25
  prohibited ingredients, so that's one thing.
• 26:28
  The second thing is, of course, I always recommend taking a step
• 26:30
  back and thinking about changing your approach to weed management
• 26:34
  and trying mechanical or cultural practices.
• 26:38
  Using occultation, using a tarp, using mulch, wood chips.
• 26:41
  I use a weed whacker a lot, a hedge trimmer to planting native
• 26:45
  species that out compete weeds, regular mowing.
• 26:48
  There's all sorts of different things you can do to try to
• 26:51
  create a system that doesn't require a chemical spray.
• 26:56
  You know what about a? Lot of work, right?
• 26:58
  There a lot of weeks. What about?
• 27:00
  You're telling me I know. What about the some people I
• 27:04
  think suggested salt with some dishwashing soap?
• 27:07
  And water. Vinegar too.
• 27:09
  Vinegar. What do you think about those
• 27:10
  practices? Yes.
• 27:11
  No. I don't know anything about the
• 27:14
  salt and dish soap, and I'm going to be honest, I am
• 27:16
  skeptical off the bat. As far as vinegar, there is, you
• 27:20
  know, you can buy agricultural vinegar, which is a extra strong
• 27:23
  vinegar. I don't personally use it.
• 27:26
  I don't know that much about it, but some people like it.
• 27:31
  Got you. Well, everybody's always.
• 27:32
  Looking I noticed dish soap they they used that back in the day
• 27:34
  for the tobacco farms. They put it around like a ring
• 27:36
  around it to keep those whatever worms on it.
• 27:39
  It was in a movie too. I forget the name of the movie,
• 27:41
  but that I know it worked for that.
• 27:43
  But me, I was talking more like damn weeds.
• 27:47
  You know the beds and stuff. Not so much the grass.
• 27:50
  Grass is controllable. That's easy.
• 27:53
  And just really quickly jump in with some final thoughts about,
• 27:57
  you know, home and garden Roundup.
• 27:59
  We actually friends with the earth.
• 28:01
  One of my colleagues and I, we wrote a report earlier this year
• 28:04
  on like the Roundup that is used for lawn and garden, like the
• 28:07
  type you might have used on your yard, George.
• 28:09
  And one thing I want to highlight that's really
• 28:12
  disturbing is it used to be glyphosate based.
• 28:14
  And glyphosate, as we know, you know, is the most widely used
• 28:16
  pesticide in the US. It's linked to cancer.
• 28:19
  And then recently, starting last year, they began replacing that
• 28:23
  with a new formula that now has four different ingredients.
• 28:26
  So most of the Roundup you're buying at the store now no
• 28:29
  longer has glyphosate, and it's a mix of dicoat, dipromide and a
• 28:33
  bunch of other ingredients. And the new formula is actually
• 28:36
  46 times more chronically toxic to human health.
• 28:40
  And so they've basically replaced their old formula,
• 28:43
  which was already toxic, with a new formula that's more toxic.
• 28:47
  They've. Improved it.
• 28:49
  They've improved it to make us sicker.
• 28:50
  That's good. Yes.
• 28:52
  And there's no new label. There's no, it looks almost
• 28:55
  identical. So you might be a consumer who's
• 28:58
  been using Roundup for 20 years and now you're going to the
• 29:00
  store, you think you're buying the same product and instead
• 29:03
  you're buying something much more toxic.
• 29:05
  And what I want to highlight about this is just, I feel like
• 29:08
  that shows how much of a bad actor the chemical industry is,
• 29:12
  the types of things that they're willing to do and the way that
• 29:15
  they are willing to sacrifice human health and the environment
• 29:19
  for profit to continue keeping their products on the market.
• 29:23
  And also just I think, you know, consumers I think should be
• 29:26
  educated and be wary about these products.
• 29:28
  And really, you know, you should be thinking like, do you want
• 29:31
  your kids to be playing in a yard, yard that's been sprayed
• 29:34
  with this now new, more toxic roundup?
• 29:35
  Do you want your dogs, your pets to be playing in that yard?
• 29:38
  Do you want to be exposing yourself as you're spraying?
• 29:40
  So I think consumers should take whatever protect whatever steps
• 29:44
  they can to protect themselves, whether that's extra protective
• 29:47
  gear or keeping kids and dogs off the lawn or switching to
• 29:50
  you. It seems like no matter what you
• 29:53
  do, if your house or or what farmers are using your seems
• 29:57
  like we're screwed right now, huh I.
• 30:00
  Don't know. What I think is incredibly
• 30:02
  dangerous is now they want absolute immunity.
• 30:04
  Basically they want a complete pass or any liability.
• 30:10
  That's what they're trying to get done in Washington, DC.
• 30:12
  They're trying to get it so they can have absolutely no
• 30:15
  liability. To.
• 30:16
  Farmers, produce or any diseases it causes.
• 30:19
  We'll talk about that when we come back.
• 30:20
  Of course, that music means we're going to take a short
• 30:22
  break. We'll be back here with George
• 30:23
  Ballantine, myself, Lance Miliacio and Sarah Starman.
• 30:27
  We'll be talking about this past they're trying to get.
• 30:29
  As usual, they're up to shenanigans.
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  You guys know we're just going to tell you what they're up to.
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  wants to tell you guys. I don't even know where we left
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  off. Well as I know is Well as I know
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  is I can't use roundup anymore. I got a lot of weeds and I need
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  to get a homestead and a wifey to do it for me.
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  All I know with high speed Internet.
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  You got to look for a solution for sure.
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  So or screw. I want to talk about this for a
• 36:16
  minute because this isn't the number.
• 36:18
  We don't hear this very often. You quantified the emissions
• 36:21
  from no till corn and soy. That's equivalent to 11,000,000
• 36:26
  cars, which is a lot. Why does it seem like
• 36:31
  agriculture when we have climate conversations that seems to
• 36:35
  always be excluded? Do you feel like that's an
• 36:37
  intentional, controlled narrative that they don't want
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  to include it for fear that all of a sudden they'll get some
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  momentum going in the opposite direction of what they're trying
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  to accomplish? I think that big AG for sure
• 36:50
  does not want to and big chemical, you know, sort of hand
• 36:53
  in hand don't want to tackle the issue of how agricultural
• 36:56
  chemicals in particular are contributing deeply to
• 37:00
  greenhouse gas emissions and to climate change in the no till
• 37:03
  report. And I want to be clear, this
• 37:04
  isn't specific to no till. You could probably do a similar
• 37:07
  calculation for any conventional corn and soy production.
• 37:11
  But we looked just at the emissions related to the
• 37:14
  production of the synthetic nitrogen fertilizer used and
• 37:17
  just the synthetic herbicides used in no till corn and soy.
• 37:21
  And as Lance said, we found that it was equivalent to around
• 37:24
  11,000,000 cars on the road for a year, which ironically is
• 37:28
  about the number of cars in the top nine no till states in the
• 37:31
  country. So we're looking at a huge
• 37:33
  amount of emissions and that's because these fertilizers and
• 37:36
  pesticides are derived from fossil fuels.
• 37:39
  They're manufactured in fossil fuel intensive processes.
• 37:43
  And So what we're really looking at here is, is fossil fuel
• 37:46
  farming. When we look at conventional
• 37:48
  farming, that depends heavily on these chemicals.
• 37:50
  It is a form of fossil fuel farming that is deeply damaging
• 37:53
  to the climate, and I think that is another conversation that we
• 37:57
  need to have about how the chemical industry and the fossil
• 37:59
  fuel industry are using agriculture as a way to continue
• 38:02
  to prop up their profits at the expense of not just our health
• 38:06
  but also the environment and the climate.
• 38:08
  Well, you'd have to think that if the EPA would allow Bayer to
• 38:12
  make a product that's 45 times more toxic than the original, I
• 38:17
  mean, usually you would think it would go in the opposite
• 38:18
  direction. You know, my take is probably
• 38:21
  runs in line with Elon Musk. And I'm sure George feels the
• 38:24
  same way. I you know, it, it, it, it, we
• 38:28
  would have probably me laid our government, you know, me laid.
• 38:30
  If you remember what he went through, he's like way go fue go
• 38:34
  fue go. He was just burning down all the
• 38:36
  different agencies. I've always thought that the EP
• 38:39
  and the FDA were just a bunch of bullshit.
• 38:42
  I never feel like they really did anything that was
• 38:43
  beneficial. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 38:45
  What are your thoughts on that? Because you know, when we
• 38:48
  started out and they brought in Doge, I was hopeful that we were
• 38:51
  going to just start canceling these operations, not just
• 38:54
  firing a handful of people. I'm not happy about the FBI in
• 38:57
  its current form. I think that most of these
• 39:00
  organizations have their charter and what we're told they're
• 39:03
  doing isn't even close to it. I think most of them are money
• 39:06
  laundering operations in one way or another.
• 39:09
  And at at a minimum, they're ineffective as government
• 39:11
  agencies. I've never thought the EPA, the
• 39:14
  FDA were worth a shit. A lot of their policies actually
• 39:17
  damaged US versus what they were supposed to do, which was
• 39:19
  protect us. What are your thoughts on that,
• 39:21
  Sarah? We're in such a, if I could
• 39:25
  flag, you know, sort of one thing as the most important
• 39:28
  about what's happening right now on pesticides.
• 39:30
  I think we're in a really unique political moment where we're
• 39:33
  seeing kind of momentum across the political spectrum asking
• 39:37
  for a healthier food system, healthier environment, getting
• 39:39
  chemicals out of our food. What I think is so important to
• 39:44
  recognize is that, in my opinion, that depends on kind of
• 39:47
  good government policies that actually make that happen, that
• 39:50
  rein in the power of corporations and that protect us
• 39:53
  from chemicals. The EPA has not provided that
• 39:57
  sort of regulation or those sort of policies for many decades.
• 40:02
  There was an expose a few years ago where an EPA toxicologist
• 40:06
  said it is the unwritten rule that to get a promotion, all
• 40:10
  pesticides must pass. And like I said, right now there
• 40:14
  are a lot of chemical industry lobbyists working at the EPA.
• 40:17
  So what we're seeing is the EPA right now is putting pesticide.
• 40:22
  They basically serve the function of just, you know,
• 40:24
  permitting every pesticide, registering every pesticide,
• 40:27
  just passing chemicals through and sort of letting the
• 40:30
  corporations do whatever they want instead of actually
• 40:33
  protecting people. So the EPA has utterly failed to
• 40:37
  protect people and particularly children from toxic exposure to
• 40:40
  pesticides and particularly cumulative exposure.
• 40:44
  But I do think that we should. I think we should reform the EPA
• 40:49
  and make it serve the people instead of the pesticide
• 40:51
  industry, because I do think we depend on some regulations in
• 40:55
  order to protect us from pesticides and to kind of
• 40:58
  maintain the Commons, our air, our water, our soil, and protect
• 41:02
  our health. You know, I think it's always
• 41:04
  tricky because I always think that, you know, all these
• 41:09
  agencies are so fully corrupted. It's not only from, it's not
• 41:13
  only from the top down. There's just so many individuals
• 41:16
  within there that have been compromised in one way or
• 41:18
  another. And when you look at the
• 41:20
  lobbyists or you look at the different industries, they're so
• 41:22
  good at manipulating the people that are in there.
• 41:24
  And they're also so very good at placing their own, you know,
• 41:29
  their own staff, ex staff members or their own, you know,
• 41:33
  supporters within these agencies.
• 41:37
  We've seen, you know, just even agencies like the CIA, what an
• 41:41
  amazing job they've done in infiltrating social media
• 41:43
  companies. So many ex ex CIA work, for
• 41:48
  example, inside of Facebook and we saw so much of the narratives
• 41:51
  are controlled. It's it's always interesting to
• 41:53
  me. But you know you you mentioned a
• 41:55
  little earlier about the 45 more toxic version of bear.
• 41:58
  That alone to me is a failure by the EPAA massive failure.
• 42:02
  And then you go into something that I've never heard of these
• 42:06
  silent killers. They're and I'm I'm not sure I'm
• 42:08
  going to get this pronounced right, but I'm going to try neon
• 42:10
  a cotonoids is. That right?
• 42:15
  Nicotine needs. OK, All right.
• 42:16
  I definitely, I definitely screwed that one up.
• 42:19
  Wait, wait, wait. How do you call?
• 42:21
  The you can call the neonics for short.
• 42:24
  Neonics. How do you say the word though?
• 42:26
  The whole word. Neonicotinoids.
• 42:29
  Neonicotinoids. Yeah, I I fucked that all up.
• 42:32
  Well, let's let's talk about those because I've never heard
• 42:35
  of these before. Here's another thing we've got
• 42:37
  to be worried about, probably another thing that Epas sliding
• 42:40
  through and sliding into US, you know, see, that's what I mean.
• 42:43
  If the EPA can't do their fucking job, then they ought to
• 42:46
  just be closed down. If they can't do the job and of
• 42:49
  what they're supposed to do, then why don't we maybe, you
• 42:52
  know, get rid of that agency and then put more pressure on the
• 42:55
  FDA to maybe cover this area and do a better job.
• 42:58
  Not that I'm saying the FDA is doing a good job either.
• 43:00
  I just feel like, you know, bloated government, just we
• 43:04
  continue to spend these inordinate amounts of money and
• 43:06
  get nothing for the money. Much of it gets filtered out and
• 43:10
  and stolen in my opinion. But let's talk about these for a
• 43:14
  minute because I don't think the majority of our audience, I know
• 43:16
  I've never heard of these before.
• 43:17
  Let's talk about what these are and let's talk about giving
• 43:20
  putting the warning on how dangerous they are.
• 43:23
  So neonicotinoids are a class of insecticide.
• 43:27
  They are meant to kill insects. They're one of, I think they're
• 43:30
  the most widely used insecticide in US agriculture.
• 43:33
  And the most common use of neonicotinoids is actually as
• 43:36
  seed coatings. So they come pre coated on corn,
• 43:40
  soy and other seeds. And in many industries,
• 43:44
  particularly in corn, it is difficult to get seeds that are
• 43:47
  not coated with neonicotinoids because of the monopoly that the
• 43:51
  pesticide industry holds over seeds.
• 43:53
  And they also, you know, want to sell their pesticides.
• 43:55
  So they sell these pre coated seeds.
• 43:57
  And it's difficult to even get seeds in many areas that aren't
• 44:00
  coated with them. What's so disturbing about them
• 44:03
  is that they're very persistent in the environment and they kill
• 44:05
  beneficial insects like bees and essential pollinators who, you
• 44:09
  know, contribute $34 billion to the US economy every year.
• 44:13
  They're not just killing quote, UN quote, bad insects.
• 44:16
  They're killing good insects like bees as well.
• 44:18
  And studies have shown that on average, they actually have very
• 44:22
  little benefits to yield or to economics for farmers anyway.
• 44:26
  So you're forced to buy these neonicotinoid coated seeds.
• 44:30
  You can't get seeds that aren't coated.
• 44:32
  These seeds, on average, aren't providing you with much of A
• 44:35
  benefit. And then they're killing
• 44:36
  beneficial pollinators that actually, you know, are
• 44:39
  essential for the resilience of farm systems.
• 44:42
  And finally, neonicotinoids have recently been linked to more and
• 44:46
  more health impacts, including birth defects and including
• 44:50
  nervous system impacts and endocrine disruption, which is
• 44:53
  really disturbing if these are really being, you know, the most
• 44:55
  widely used insecticide that's being used across millions of
• 44:59
  acres of farmland. And the reason, one reason this
• 45:02
  is happening is because the EPA has an exemption.
• 45:06
  They don't require seed coatings to go through the same review
• 45:10
  process as other pesticide uses. It's called the treated article
• 45:14
  exemption. And that is a really simple fix.
• 45:16
  That is something that either Congress or the EPA could easily
• 45:20
  reform and say, hey, these seed coatings actually need to go
• 45:23
  through the full safety review process.
• 45:25
  You can't just slap whatever you want on a seed and then say it
• 45:28
  doesn't need to be studied the same way.
• 45:30
  So it's a problem that we really need to address, both for
• 45:32
  pollinators and for human health, and another example of
• 45:36
  how there's an easy solution right in hand that our
• 45:38
  government could take if they weren't catering to the
• 45:41
  pesticide industry over people's health.
• 45:45
  You know, the fact that you have little to no choice is
• 45:47
  frightening enough. And then for most people, you,
• 45:49
  you, you say it so casually because you're very familiar
• 45:52
  with it. But for the audience I got, I
• 45:54
  got to tell you that without the pollinators, we're basically
• 45:57
  fucking dead. I don't think, I don't think the
• 46:00
  when you hear that it's actually killing pollinators, that alone
• 46:03
  should be enough for Congress to immediately just say, Nope,
• 46:05
  sorry, we got to put a dead stop to that.
• 46:07
  Until you figure that part out, you can't do it anymore.
• 46:10
  But that's the interesting part, because, you know, I, I don't
• 46:13
  know if people really recognize how important those pollinators
• 46:16
  are because without that, we wouldn't have any food supply.
• 46:19
  Food supply would be basically gone and we would die.
• 46:21
  There wouldn't be enough food on the earth you guys can look
• 46:24
  into. Of course you guys can say, oh,
• 46:26
  well, we'll eat beef. Well, of course, you have to
• 46:27
  have pollinators for everything to grow the, the beef eats and
• 46:31
  and and and and and so on and so on.
• 46:34
  So if you think about something that that that's that dangerous
• 46:37
  and yet Congress is too busy arguing.
• 46:39
  You know, George, you and I have talked so many times about it,
• 46:42
  how ineffective they were raving about how, which we we don't buy
• 46:46
  into. Let me let me point that out on
• 46:47
  this show. I don't want buy into Republican
• 46:51
  Democrat. I think that's all just a bunch
• 46:53
  of trash. But you know, they raved US,
• 46:56
  George. Oh, we've got control of the
• 46:57
  House. We've got control of the Senate
• 46:59
  and yet, you know, they are, this may be the most ineffective
• 47:02
  Congress in history. I don't think they've
• 47:04
  effectively passed much of anything.
• 47:07
  They sure aren't, you know, supporting the administration
• 47:10
  and they're using the judiciary this time to do their dirty
• 47:13
  work. You know, George, I mean, I
• 47:15
  don't, I don't see this working any better.
• 47:16
  Of course, that's why they can't even focus on something as
• 47:19
  simple as this. It's easy enough to look that if
• 47:21
  something's killing pollinators, like, yes, sorry, you guys were
• 47:24
  dead stopping that. Don't coat the seeds anymore.
• 47:25
  That's done. Well, well, if you're expecting
• 47:29
  Congress to get anything done, we're going to be forget about
• 47:32
  it because look at how they struggle with this.
• 47:34
  Bill, blue boy, we'll just hold our breath.
• 47:36
  Yeah, you have to do it on your own.
• 47:38
  You can't. You can't rely on government.
• 47:41
  Government does what do they do? Well for the people, pretty much
• 47:44
  nothing. Nothing.
• 47:47
  So you get it done. But I want to say something
• 47:49
  because we had a limit Grieving in a chat.
• 47:50
  She goes, I, she goes. I also have a poll pollinator
• 47:54
  plant, so she gets lots of butterflies, bees and Humber
• 47:56
  birds. So I said I'm going to have to
• 47:58
  borrow limit where you bring it to my yard, see if that works.
• 48:01
  I don't. Know well you can plant lots of
• 48:03
  flowers that support pollinators.
• 48:05
  You know there's lots of seed mixes you can use in that way.
• 48:09
  You're going to say something. So I was just going to say, I
• 48:13
  think one of the things that's very frustrating about the
• 48:15
  current Congress is a lot of them campaigned or kind of
• 48:19
  catered to the Make America Healthy Again crowd or to any
• 48:23
  voters across the political spectrum who cared about food
• 48:25
  and health by talking about the issues.
• 48:28
  And this is something that I think is really important.
• 48:30
  They campaigned on it because it was popular.
• 48:33
  But now what we're seeing is kind of an about face and a
• 48:36
  failure to deliver. I don't know if you all saw, but
• 48:39
  there was, you know, a letter from 79 members of Congress,
• 48:43
  they happen to be all Republican, who basically said
• 48:47
  they sent a letter to the Maha Commission saying don't take any
• 48:51
  action on pesticides. There's nothing wrong with these
• 48:54
  products. You know, there's nothing that's
• 48:56
  not safe about them. And you know, the people who are
• 48:59
  asking for pesticide reform, who are asking for chemicals out of
• 49:03
  our food are misguided and malicious.
• 49:05
  And I think that was an. Insulting.
• 49:08
  It doesn't surprise me that a bunch of what I'd like to have
• 49:10
  those Republicans do is say, OK, well, let's see if that's
• 49:13
  credible. How many of you took money from
• 49:15
  the pesticide industry or the chemical industry?
• 49:17
  How many of you had lobbyists stuff your bank accounts full?
• 49:22
  You know, it, it And what this is the the tough part, right?
• 49:25
  If we were really going to have Congress, you know, operate
• 49:27
  effectively and honestly, they would have to wear patches on
• 49:31
  their jackets in the halls of Congress.
• 49:33
  And those patches would indicate who was sponsoring them, just
• 49:36
  like NASCAR. So instead of it being a hood,
• 49:39
  it would be their jacket. So if they get out and say, oh,
• 49:41
  don't the chemicals are safe and the biggest patch on their
• 49:44
  jacket is bare across the back, then you'd know they're full of
• 49:47
  shit. The problem is we, we've got,
• 49:50
  you know, the, you know, there was something that Ulysses S
• 49:52
  Grant said, you know, you know, traders and patriots, right?
• 49:56
  At the end of the day, that's what we really have.
• 49:58
  We have traders and patriots and I'm not sure how many patriots
• 50:01
  we really have, but we mostly have traders.
• 50:03
  The majority of Congress has sold itself out for anybody that
• 50:06
  thinks that. I'm not saying all of them.
• 50:08
  There are some good men and women and there are some that
• 50:10
  are in there trying to do the job.
• 50:12
  But the amount of money they take from these powerful
• 50:14
  companies and then they come out and say, oh, we're going to sign
• 50:17
  a letter. To me, it's not surprising that
• 50:20
  the Republicans wouldn't matter whether it was Democrats or
• 50:22
  Republicans to me that they would sign a letter that fucking
• 50:25
  ridiculous when the majority don't even know what they're
• 50:28
  talking about. It's not like we're talking
• 50:29
  about scientists. We're clearly not even talking
• 50:32
  about business people. And we're, and even worse, we're
• 50:35
  talking about people that weren't honestly elected, that
• 50:38
  were most likely installed because our election system is
• 50:41
  not it's, it's compromised, right?
• 50:43
  It's not an honest, free and fair election system.
• 50:47
  The money usually buys you influence, and the influence
• 50:50
  buys you a position of power. So if you've got, you know, if
• 50:54
  you're really, really well financed, you're likely to win
• 50:56
  in a congressional runoff. Not because you were the best
• 50:59
  choice. Not because you were the
• 51:00
  brightest and best or the smartest or the most capable,
• 51:04
  but because some big lobbyists put a bunch of money in your
• 51:06
  pocket or some big super PAC got behind you.
• 51:09
  And that's why you got elected. And most likely you were chosen
• 51:13
  because you were easily manipulatable.
• 51:15
  You're the kind of individual that has no integrity or any
• 51:18
  morality. And that's why they choose you,
• 51:20
  right? That's why you're stuck in
• 51:22
  there. It's, it's nice when we see the
• 51:23
  opposite of it, but it's very rare, right?
• 51:25
  It's a, it's an exception. It's not the rule.
• 51:28
  Let's talk about for the audience because we've heard,
• 51:31
  you know, the catch, the new catch term is regenerative,
• 51:33
  right? You've talked about regenerative
• 51:35
  versus organic and even organic a lot of people question, you
• 51:40
  know, we've heard the stories about people using the organic
• 51:43
  label, but they're really not organic.
• 51:45
  And a lot of that's got to do with enforcement that they've
• 51:47
  got. They seem to become very
• 51:49
  flexible, kind of take us through that and where you kind
• 51:51
  of think that's going on. And maybe also talk about green
• 51:54
  washing in the food system. That's another term I wasn't
• 51:57
  familiar with. Yeah, absolutely.
• 52:00
  I mean, so organic is one of our kind of proven solutions to
• 52:04
  pesticide use because it is backed by a rigorous legal
• 52:08
  standard. It's been around for decades.
• 52:11
  And organic prohibits, you know, more than 900 synthetic
• 52:14
  pesticides that are allowed in conventional agriculture, and it
• 52:16
  prohibits synthetic fertilizer. And there's a whole suite of
• 52:19
  other requirements in organic to protect the soil, to, you know,
• 52:24
  take care of the land, all of those things.
• 52:26
  And what we find is that when we study people who eat a
• 52:30
  conventional diet and then if we put them in on an organic diet
• 52:34
  for two weeks, pesticide levels in their bodies drop, drop up to
• 52:38
  95% in just two weeks from eating an all organic diet.
• 52:41
  So it's one of the most proven ways, like the most clear and
• 52:44
  comprehensive ways to protect people from pesticide exposure.
• 52:50
  Now, organic isn't perfect. No, none of these kind of labels
• 52:54
  or regulatory programs are perfect, but it is sort of the
• 52:57
  best that we have at the moment because it is backed by a clear
• 53:00
  rigorous legal standard. It's constantly being updated
• 53:03
  and improved and there's decades of peer reviewed research
• 53:06
  showing that it reduces chemical exposure, that it, you know, is
• 53:10
  better for soil health that it has, that organic soils have
• 53:14
  improved water holding capacity, that it supports more
• 53:17
  biodiversity. Organic farms have 50% more
• 53:20
  wildlife on average than conventional farms.
• 53:24
  So there's a lot of data backing up.
• 53:25
  Organic regenerative is also really cool, but the problem is
• 53:31
  it is a huge spectrum. The regenerative label doesn't
• 53:35
  have one clear set definition. That's why they agreed upon so,
• 53:39
  so, you know, a chemical company like Bayer or Syngenta can slap
• 53:43
  the label regenerative on a conventional chemical intensive
• 53:47
  commodity crop farm and someone can put the label regenerative
• 53:51
  on, you know, the best, most sustainable, healthiest, you
• 53:55
  know, perfect farm out there. So we're looking at a broad
• 53:58
  spectrum without a lot of quality control.
• 54:01
  And I think there are organizations that are starting
• 54:03
  to address that. But the influence of the
• 54:05
  pesticide industry in the regenerative space right now is
• 54:08
  very heavy and there's a lot of chemical industry influence and
• 54:12
  there are very much greenwashing and Co opting the regenerative
• 54:15
  label. Even though there's a lot of
• 54:17
  people out there with great intentions who are doing great
• 54:20
  truly regenerative agriculture, we also have the chemical
• 54:23
  industry interfering. So I would say, you know, the
• 54:27
  organic standards, again, they're not perfect, and the
• 54:29
  organic community is consistently working to improve
• 54:31
  them. And I think that's important.
• 54:33
  We should continue to tighten them to crack down on fraud, to
• 54:37
  crack down on particularly organic import fraud, to invest
• 54:41
  in domestic organic production so we don't have to import so
• 54:44
  much of our organic food from abroad.
• 54:47
  And then also we need to do some work to tighten up regenerative
• 54:51
  and make sure that the chemical industry isn't able to greenwash
• 54:54
  it. You know, there's a guy's name
• 54:56
  that's shown up within lots of discussions about our food
• 55:00
  supply. I don't particularly like him.
• 55:02
  I don't particularly trust him. In fact, he kind of makes my
• 55:05
  skin crawl. Bill Gates, his name's come up
• 55:08
  over and over again. Clearly his involvement in the
• 55:12
  food industry doesn't seem to be based on trying to help or she's
• 55:18
  wanted to come out and he and he's doing so creating products
• 55:23
  that are pre vaccinated products like appeal I believe is one of
• 55:27
  his. Do you have any thoughts on Bill
• 55:30
  Gates? Because to me it often seems
• 55:32
  that when people get large amounts of capital, they end up
• 55:36
  sticking their fucking noses in places they shouldn't be
• 55:38
  involved in. Bill Gates seems to be one of
• 55:40
  them and and I'm not very happy that the fact that he hasn't
• 55:44
  faced any consequences for his 27 trips to Epstein Island.
• 55:49
  I guess I should say a. Lot.
• 55:50
  No one's faced any consequences for going there.
• 55:52
  Whatever happened to the absentee files?
• 55:54
  We never even got that either. Yeah.
• 55:56
  You got any thoughts? Because we see this a lot.
• 55:58
  We see people that all of a sudden, you know, he's he.
• 56:01
  I think he's what Isn't he the largest owner of farmland now in
• 56:04
  the United States? I think something to that point.
• 56:09
  Yeah. I mean, maybe it's a product of
• 56:12
  just the particular things that I work on and the particular
• 56:15
  spaces that I work in. But I feel like my number one
• 56:18
  enemy is just the pesticide industry and I'm kind of laser
• 56:22
  focused on them. And I haven't really dealt had
• 56:25
  to deal with like any issues with Bill Gates very much.
• 56:27
  I mean, I just feel like the pesticide industries are real
• 56:30
  kind of enemy. Bear, Syngenta, BASF, Cordtiba,
• 56:34
  the four companies that control the vast majority of seeds,
• 56:37
  agricultural technology and agricultural chemicals in this
• 56:40
  country. And the things they're trying to
• 56:42
  do, like pass immunity bills to shield themselves from legal
• 56:44
  liability in states around the country, the way they're trying
• 56:47
  to pass a federal law to prevent like local States and cities
• 56:51
  from passing their own pesticide restrictions and protecting
• 56:54
  people from chemicals. Those are just the things I'm
• 56:56
  most concerned about. Yeah, of course.
• 56:59
  You know, I just didn't know if you came across.
• 57:00
  Let's talk about what works and what doesn't work.
• 57:02
  Let's talk about, I know you've pressured ConAgra quite a bit.
• 57:06
  You know, we talked about accountability.
• 57:08
  What kind of accountability does work?
• 57:09
  Because to me, that's the biggest flaw, right There isn't.
• 57:12
  And now they want to give themselves an additional layer,
• 57:14
  I mean, to pull themselves out of a situation where they could
• 57:17
  be harming people and say, Oh yeah, sorry, can't litigate
• 57:20
  against us. We have a we have a safety
• 57:22
  shield, a safety net. Let's talk about that a little
• 57:25
  bit. Yeah, I mean, Friends of the
• 57:27
  Earth organization I work for, one of the reasons I love
• 57:30
  working for them is because we're a non partisan
• 57:32
  organization and our goal is to pretty much hold everyone and
• 57:35
  anyone accountable, whether they're a corporation or a
• 57:37
  politician, regardless of their political affiliation.
• 57:41
  We are willing to kind of call out and take on anyone no matter
• 57:44
  how much power they have and no matter, you know, which side of
• 57:48
  the political spectrum they're on.
• 57:49
  So we, you know, I campaign against major organizations.
• 57:53
  You mentioned ConAgra, who's a major food manufacturer, against
• 57:56
  Fair and Syngenta, major pesticide companies against
• 57:59
  Target and Kroger, major food retailers, anyone who has a lot
• 58:03
  of power in the food space, and then also against politicians on
• 58:06
  both sides of the aisle. So right now, you know, we're
• 58:09
  really focused on holding the current administration and
• 58:11
  Congress accountable because we don't think that they're moving
• 58:15
  in a direction that is, you know, beneficial for protecting
• 58:18
  people from exposure to toxic pesticides.
• 58:21
  I mean. Has any administration done it?
• 58:24
  No, I mean, we've seen kind of failure for decades on this
• 58:28
  issue. And I think that's why people
• 58:30
  are so fed up across the political spectrum.
• 58:33
  It doesn't seem to matter who's in office.
• 58:35
  We're not seeing the action that we need on pesticides.
• 58:39
  We have a few champions. Cory Booker comes to mind as
• 58:42
  someone who continuously is trying to introduce bills that
• 58:45
  will actually address pesticide use, but not a lot.
• 58:49
  And I mean, right now what we're so concerned about is a lot of
• 58:53
  the things that, you know, actually were some programs that
• 58:57
  we're doing a limited amount of good are being cut.
• 59:01
  And then there are other things being implemented that are
• 59:03
  making the problem worse. Like for example, one program
• 59:06
  that has near universal support across the political spectrum is
• 59:09
  the Local Food for Schools program, which helps connect
• 59:14
  schools to local farms, usually organic and truly regenerative
• 59:17
  farms, and then sell that food to schools so that kids have
• 59:21
  access to healthy, fresh, unprocessed foods.
• 59:23
  That's usually lower in toxic chemical residues and it also,
• 59:28
  you know, boost local economies and helps local farmers and
• 59:31
  local businesses. And then the administration cut
• 59:34
  $600 million from that program. I understand cutting wasteful
• 59:38
  spending, but to on the one hand, be trying to pass the
• 59:42
  budget reconciliation bill, which increases spending for
• 59:46
  chemical intensive commodity crops by $30 billion and then to
• 59:50
  cut $600 million from a tiny, you know, local food for schools
• 59:54
  program that helps kids all across the country access fresh
• 59:57
  food and helps local farmers. It just doesn't make sense to
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  me. And I think this administration
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  hasn't delivered so far on what voters were hoping for when they
• 1:00:06
  thought that they were kind of, you know, people really want to
• 1:00:08
  see reform on food health, not. The administration, it's, it's
• 1:00:11
  Congress, it's not delivering. It's no matter what you have on
• 1:00:14
  both sides, it's you know, they're, we call it the UNI
• 1:00:16
  party. They unless it benefits them
• 1:00:19
  personally or for their agendas, it's hard to get stuff done
• 1:00:23
  actually for the people's. I mean, there's only so much any
• 1:00:25
  president can do. They can, you know, voice their
• 1:00:28
  opinion and get out there. But it's ultimately it's
• 1:00:31
  Congress is the ones that pass the laws and they suck at it,
• 1:00:34
  both of them. You know, and at the end of the
• 1:00:36
  day, when, when you, when you have corrupt people, corruption
• 1:00:41
  is one of those things that when you allow it to continue, people
• 1:00:45
  just get bolder in their corrupt actions, right?
• 1:00:48
  So with no consequences, you know, it doesn't matter whether
• 1:00:51
  it's something as simple as insider trading, doesn't matter
• 1:00:55
  whether it's taking, you know, dark money or foreign money or
• 1:00:57
  super PAC money. Once you start, you're
• 1:01:01
  compromised. And I think that many of our
• 1:01:05
  agencies have intentionally compromised people.
• 1:01:07
  For example, if you look at the Epstein files, there's lots of
• 1:01:10
  high level people that were probably compromised through
• 1:01:12
  that process 'cause that was a bribery, extortion and a
• 1:01:15
  blackmail system. I don't think Jeffrey Epstein
• 1:01:18
  ever made a legitimate dollar. I think that his operation was
• 1:01:22
  funded and organized by the Mossad, and then I believe he
• 1:01:25
  was a dual agent and then he provided resources to the CIA
• 1:01:29
  and others. When you take compromised
• 1:01:31
  individuals, whether they're in the judiciary or they're in
• 1:01:33
  Congress, once they start to take the money, it doesn't, the
• 1:01:37
  spigot doesn't turn off because now they're caught.
• 1:01:40
  And I think the difficulty comes is that, for example, the
• 1:01:44
  Russian collusion hoax, we should have, we should already
• 1:01:47
  see The Dirty 51 + 8 already have been arrested because that
• 1:01:51
  would be considered treason and seditious conspiracy, right?
• 1:01:56
  The fact that they lied to the American public, they fabricated
• 1:01:58
  the Steele dossier. If you and I did that, we would
• 1:02:02
  already be in jail. We would be in prison right now
• 1:02:05
  either waiting trial or we've already been run through the
• 1:02:07
  system very rapidly. And I think that in the, in the
• 1:02:11
  situation when you have these large conglomerates that are
• 1:02:14
  funneling in massive amounts of money to manipulate Congress,
• 1:02:18
  right? And, and the Congress is doing
• 1:02:20
  it willingly. It's not like they've been
• 1:02:21
  tricked into it. They know they're taking money
• 1:02:23
  from Bayer or Con Agra or whoever else, but they do it
• 1:02:27
  because there's nothing to stop them from doing it.
• 1:02:30
  It's kind of like having a somebody working on your farm
• 1:02:32
  that's stealing from you. They steal a Bush of apples the
• 1:02:35
  first day and they don't get caught.
• 1:02:37
  And then the next day, maybe they steal 2 bushels and they
• 1:02:39
  steal 3 bushels, and by the end of the month, they're still in a
• 1:02:42
  truckload and they're making quite a bit of money off of you
• 1:02:44
  if you don't catch them. They're empowered.
• 1:02:47
  They're enabled. And it's the same thing with our
• 1:02:49
  congressional members. It doesn't really stop.
• 1:02:52
  So even if if, and again, I'm not telling you that Donald
• 1:02:54
  Trump is on top of the issue when it comes to agricultural
• 1:02:57
  products, I'd be surprised if he was, but because it's not really
• 1:03:01
  in his wheelhouse. I thought we thought Kennedy
• 1:03:03
  was, I mean, but he's, he's. Kennedy is, but he's slowly.
• 1:03:06
  Working on it, yeah. You look at how much he's got to
• 1:03:09
  try to accomplish. I mean, just the vaccines alone
• 1:03:12
  is such a major problem, right? He, you know, and again and he's
• 1:03:17
  and he's put a lot of great people around him.
• 1:03:19
  But when you have an ineffective and intentionally corrupt
• 1:03:23
  Congress, it makes it extremely difficult.
• 1:03:26
  And now they've weaponized the judiciary in a way that every
• 1:03:29
  time you do try to get something done, even when it comes to the
• 1:03:32
  immigration issues. Yeah, and.
• 1:03:34
  Then like like what you said, Sarah, then then you take
• 1:03:38
  something the big beautiful bill.
• 1:03:40
  I don't think it's I don't think you can take big and beautiful
• 1:03:43
  and combine those in a bill. That's one of our biggest
• 1:03:45
  problems writing administration because there's so much pork
• 1:03:50
  barrel legislation, so many hidden agendas in these bills.
• 1:03:53
  I mean, who the Hell's going to read a four or 5000 page 10,
• 1:03:56
  1000 page bill? Nobody.
• 1:03:58
  And that's the problem. So much shit gets hidden in
• 1:04:00
  there. And then maybe on top of it,
• 1:04:02
  good programs get harvested because maybe by cleaning out a
• 1:04:07
  good program, it makes it looks like they got something done,
• 1:04:09
  but really realize all they're doing is damaging people because
• 1:04:12
  maybe that good program was actually helpful.
• 1:04:15
  I mean, think about it. Doge uncovered $4.7 trillion in
• 1:04:21
  illegitimate spending. There's 14 magic money computers
• 1:04:25
  so far that were not hooked to the system and don't require a
• 1:04:28
  code where I can simply send you a payment just by plugging your
• 1:04:32
  name in and nothing else. You're not a lying on them in
• 1:04:35
  the Congressional Budget. How about the zombie
• 1:04:37
  organizations, organizations that were, you know, were in
• 1:04:40
  existence, you know, years and years and years ago had never
• 1:04:45
  been voted on again. But they can send can you can
• 1:04:47
  receive a budget and nobody even knows where that money went.
• 1:04:50
  I mean, look at Chelsea Clinton, She got $84 million from USAID
• 1:04:54
  and nobody can figure out why she got it.
• 1:04:57
  To me, that's criminal. That's stealing from the
• 1:04:58
  American public. How come she hasn't been
• 1:05:00
  arrested? And I, I only use her as an
• 1:05:02
  example. And I think that's where it's
• 1:05:04
  tricky. Even social media, I would bet
• 1:05:07
  that if we analyze the spending of ConAgra, Baer and many
• 1:05:11
  others, I'd like to see what their budget is for paying
• 1:05:14
  social media influencers or in fact running bot accounts,
• 1:05:18
  running social media influencers or social media accounts to run
• 1:05:22
  opposition of any negative publicity.
• 1:05:25
  I'd like to see that part of their budget because to me
• 1:05:27
  that's that in itself is is is a crime because those there's
• 1:05:31
  specific laws from the FTC and FCC that say that you have to
• 1:05:34
  disclose that. Do you have any idea what
• 1:05:36
  they're spending on social media posting?
• 1:05:40
  I don't, I don't know if you can get that information because
• 1:05:43
  they keep a lot of stuff confidential as much as they
• 1:05:45
  can. And I think the thing that
• 1:05:47
  you're saying that I, I really agree with and that resonates
• 1:05:50
  with me a lot. It's just there is no
• 1:05:52
  accountability right now for people with power, whether we're
• 1:05:55
  talking about corporations or politicians, like you said,
• 1:05:58
  they're not being held accountable.
• 1:05:59
  They're not being held to the same standard as you and I.
• 1:06:02
  If we commit a crime, you get punished.
• 1:06:05
  If they commit a crime, they just get to keep committing it.
• 1:06:08
  And I think that actually goes back to the pesticide immunity
• 1:06:12
  bills which we had briefly mentioned earlier, which is the
• 1:06:15
  pesticide industry's been trying to pass state level bills across
• 1:06:18
  the country that would give them total legal immunity from any
• 1:06:22
  harms they cause. So basically if you're, if you
• 1:06:24
  living in that state, if you're exposed to a pesticide product
• 1:06:27
  and then you get cancer and there was no warning on that
• 1:06:30
  bottle, you can't then sue that company and say you gave me
• 1:06:33
  cancer without warning. They want total legal immunity
• 1:06:37
  from lawsuits like that. So they want to operate in a
• 1:06:39
  space where they can do as much harm as they want and not Yeah,
• 1:06:44
  it is, even though they're barely held accountable.
• 1:06:46
  Now they're like, we need even more, Yeah.
• 1:06:48
  They're asking them, and that's the problem, right?
• 1:06:50
  Because the, you know, having all those Republicans sign that
• 1:06:53
  letter just shows what a bunch of scumbags they are because
• 1:06:57
  they're signing something and they're talking about an
• 1:06:59
  industry that they probably know very little about.
• 1:07:01
  If we gave them a test, if we gave them a 15 question test
• 1:07:05
  about that industry, I would be, I'd, I'd venture to say 90% of
• 1:07:08
  them would fail. But they don't really know
• 1:07:10
  what's going on. But let's, let's try to do this
• 1:07:12
  for the audience, I guess what kind of gives you some hope.
• 1:07:15
  And maybe let's also give our audience some homework, maybe a
• 1:07:18
  call to action of what they can do and why it's important.
• 1:07:21
  Maybe they do it. I mean, the number one thing
• 1:07:24
  that gives me hope is just that I think we're seeing an
• 1:07:27
  incredible amount of momentum right now around pesticides,
• 1:07:31
  around toxic exposure, around healthy food and healthy
• 1:07:34
  farming. And I think that that momentum
• 1:07:37
  is really promising. I think that if we can turn that
• 1:07:40
  momentum into action, we can leverage enough pressure over
• 1:07:43
  our politicians and corporations to kind of force them to be less
• 1:07:47
  corrupt and to prioritize us over, you know, pesticide
• 1:07:50
  industry profits. I think, you know, between the
• 1:07:53
  Make America Healthy Again movement and all the many other
• 1:07:57
  people who have been working on this issue for decades, we're
• 1:08:00
  seeing kind of an upswelling conversation around it that we
• 1:08:02
  haven't seen in years. That's exciting.
• 1:08:05
  And I think the more people who can be involved in that and kind
• 1:08:07
  of push that momentum forward, the better.
• 1:08:10
  I think the number one thing that people can do is call your
• 1:08:14
  member of Congress and your senators.
• 1:08:16
  Call them now and tell them that you want them to take action on
• 1:08:20
  pesticides, That you don't want legal immunity for pesticide
• 1:08:24
  companies. That you don't want pre emption,
• 1:08:26
  which means you think States and cities should have the right to
• 1:08:29
  pass their own pesticide restrictions.
• 1:08:31
  That you want chemical industry lobbyists out of the EPA.
• 1:08:35
  That you want the chemical lobby to stop influencing Congress.
• 1:08:38
  That you want to see investments in organic and truly
• 1:08:41
  regenerative agriculture. That you want to see support for
• 1:08:45
  farmers to transition away from chemicals instead of policies
• 1:08:48
  that lock farmers into chemical intensive production.
• 1:08:51
  So I think people need to be calling their members of
• 1:08:53
  Congress now and saying, hey, like in these bills you're
• 1:08:55
  trying to pass the big beautiful bill in appropriations, in the
• 1:09:00
  farm bill that's hopefully coming out next year if
• 1:09:04
  possible, that you want to see real action on this, you want to
• 1:09:07
  see real change that you want chemicals out of your food.
• 1:09:11
  Definitely. So let's do this.
• 1:09:14
  Let's do this shameless plug here, you know, tell them about
• 1:09:17
  your websites, tell them about your social media where they can
• 1:09:19
  find you. Maybe follow with what you're
• 1:09:21
  working on and how people can get involved through those
• 1:09:24
  sites. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:09:26
  So you can follow me and Friends of the Earth at foe.org.
• 1:09:30
  Luckily, it's a simple website, foe.org, and we're also on
• 1:09:34
  social media as Friends of the Earth US or Friends of the Earth
• 1:09:38
  Action across all platforms, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter,
• 1:09:42
  Facebook, Blue Sky, I think that's all of them.
• 1:09:47
  So you can either find us as friends of the Earth US or
• 1:09:49
  friends of the Earth Action. And you can follow our work to
• 1:09:52
  fight for a healthier food system and to get the influence
• 1:09:54
  of Big AG out of our politics. All right, Sarah Starman,
• 1:10:00
  appreciate you joining the show today and thank you so very much
• 1:10:03
  for that important information. But you know, you guys can't sit
• 1:10:05
  on your asses and expect everybody else to do it for you.
• 1:10:08
  If you want to fix this is going to take action on your part,
• 1:10:11
  you've got to make the same effort that the rest of us are.
• 1:10:14
  We try to educate here, but take this education and maybe do
• 1:10:17
  something about it because if they keep this up, I can tell
• 1:10:20
  you this, you may find yourself getting sicker and sicker.
• 1:10:23
  You're sure as hell not going to get healthier.
• 1:10:25
  And that's what longevity is about, right?
• 1:10:27
  Better quality of life. And that is not what these
• 1:10:30
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