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Finals Are Here, Liz Opens Up & Sue Has THOUGHTS · No Dribble

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  Speaker 1: Well, Nettle is a confusing game, isn't it. We don't
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  Speaker 1: know what a replay is anymore. No one knows what
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  Speaker 1: a short pass is anymore. But what we do know
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  Speaker 1: is that you are here for a short chat. The
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  Speaker 1: long'st chat, a medium chat with No Dribble. You're on
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  Speaker 1: No Dribble Strabag. Hello and welcome to Friday. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: No Dribble, the podcast where we talk about netbil, we
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  Speaker 1: talk about so much more. My name's Carolyn Swindell.
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  Speaker 2: I'm lose Ellis, I'm Sue Guardian.
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  Speaker 1: I am Susan Gordion am. Yes, please remember you're required
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  Speaker 1: to use those letters as often as you can. Liz,
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  Speaker 1: why are you here?
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  Speaker 2: Why am I here? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I know you why you're here in the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: But why do I get to have you here? Well?
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  Speaker 1: Why isn't katherin here for started? She's at a junior
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  Speaker 1: netfall comp for the day.
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  Speaker 2: So oh, knew were missing someone? Now thank you for mentioning.
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  Speaker 1: That cancering's off at the rodeo again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm here because I have been doing somewhat
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  Speaker 3: for the Asthma Foundation, and interestingly, we're launching a campaign
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  Speaker 3: which is called she Needs to Breathe, and it basically
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  Speaker 3: is about getting GPS to talk to women at different
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  Speaker 3: stages of their lives about asthma. And what I have
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  Speaker 3: learned through this campaign when they came to and said,
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  Speaker 3: would you like to do this campaign?
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  Speaker 2: Obviously because I have the asthma.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you seem so hale and hearty.
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  Speaker 3: Look I am, but I've had the asthma since I
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  Speaker 3: was a kid. But what I learned through when I
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  Speaker 3: first spoke to the people the eyes of the Asthma
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  Speaker 3: Foundation was that women are affected by asthma far more
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  Speaker 3: than men. So it affects young boys more than young girls.
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  Speaker 3: But once puberty hits, that switches, so twice as many
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  Speaker 3: limen die from asthma than meant. Right, I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: this was a human's health problem. I just thought it was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a light problem. But it's a women's health problem.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a campaign now to get GPS to speak
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  Speaker 2: to women at all different phases of their lives.
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  Speaker 3: Because your asthma changes with hormones, so puberty, pregnancy, perimeno bores, menopause,
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  Speaker 3: and then in older age, as your hormones change, your
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  Speaker 3: asthma changes. So I was down here to do some
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  Speaker 3: things with dis launch and some media, and I thought, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: if that means that I can come in and hang
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  Speaker 3: out with my.
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  Speaker 2: Mate and that's very acute. Well that's not a bad
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  Speaker 2: result out of curiosity. Have you so you have you
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  Speaker 2: had asthma all your life? Oh? My life? I can't
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  Speaker 2: remember a time where I didn't wheeze, right, okay? And
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  Speaker 2: so then based on have you had, did you notice
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  Speaker 2: changes at those points? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So when I was little, my ass were presented
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  Speaker 3: as the waze where now it presents is really heavinous
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  Speaker 3: in my chest. So, and one of the interesting things
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  Speaker 3: was when I was little, my parents I got diagnosed,
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  Speaker 3: but I was a kid, so I didn't know what
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't you're a key. You had no idea what
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  Speaker 3: the doctor's saying to your parents.
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  Speaker 2: And I got diagnosed with severe asthma, but mum and
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  Speaker 2: dad decided to not tell me I had severe asthma.
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  Speaker 3: They used to tell me I was a mild asthmatic.
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  Speaker 3: And they did that so that I didn't think that
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't do stuff. So they didn't want me to
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  Speaker 3: be defined by being asthmatic. It's interesting, isn't it, but
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  Speaker 3: I got selected in my first Diamond team and we
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  Speaker 3: went and did all the screening and do you remember
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  Speaker 3: Grace Bryant, She was the Diamonds doctor. Grace she's been
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  Speaker 3: she's like an institution in Australian sports medicine. And she
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  Speaker 3: did all the tests and she said, oh, okay, so
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  Speaker 3: you and your foot.
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  Speaker 2: In the form of mard asthma.
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  Speaker 3: She goes and she set me off to get to
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  Speaker 3: do some testing so to get a baseline, and she
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  Speaker 3: said to me, you know you're not a mild asthmatic
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, I am, I've always asthma.
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  Speaker 3: She has, Yeah, you're a severe asthmatic, so we need
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  Speaker 3: to treat you accordingly. So I rade mum and said,
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  Speaker 3: did you know that I was a severe severe asthmatic?
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  Speaker 3: Chairs yeah, so well, like you tell me, She's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we just didn't want.
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  Speaker 2: To make a big deal out of it. Your father
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  Speaker 2: and I thought you'd be much better if you just
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  Speaker 2: thought you were mild. So it was amazing, Like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that you want to pro tick. You might
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  Speaker 2: not want to do that with your.
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  Speaker 3: Kids down blow their medical issues so that they don't
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  Speaker 3: think about them too much because then we had to
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  Speaker 3: go and get like a management plan.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, Grace was fantastic. But I really appreciate the
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  Speaker 2: fact that Mum and dad just never let me think
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  Speaker 2: that I could define yourself here I myself or not
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  Speaker 2: do something because of, you know, of being asthmatic. So
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  Speaker 2: but now, and since I went through fertility treatment and
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  Speaker 2: I wrote my book, I'm really about about fertility and
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  Speaker 2: whether it's fertility or anything else or asthma, I'm really
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  Speaker 2: passionate about the fact that women have to be their
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  Speaker 2: own best advocate in the healthcare setting. And we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: that now, like the City Morning Herald to run an
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  Speaker 2: excellent series about medical misogyny. And I think you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the past it's always been the doctor knows best.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you go in and your Google, you
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  Speaker 2: get doctor Google or glean paring your doctor. You actually
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  Speaker 2: should ask questions, you should push for a different opinion
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  Speaker 2: if you feel like you're not getting treated seriously with
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  Speaker 2: your symptoms. And a lot of women don't when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to asthma, so or there's a lot going on
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  Speaker 2: and they don't mention it to their doctor. So this
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  Speaker 2: whole campaign is about getting GPS to proactively speak to women.
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  Speaker 2: But it's also about getting women to be proactive about
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  Speaker 2: going to speak to their doctor. So when you're at
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  Speaker 2: your doctor, if you feel anything's changed, going have that
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  Speaker 2: conversation because you might need a renewal of your asthma
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  Speaker 2: management plan. And it's not just asthmirates everything else. I'm
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  Speaker 2: so determined to harp on it for as long as
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  Speaker 2: I can. That nobody knows your health stro like you do,
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  Speaker 2: and nobody can advocate on behalf of you like you do, right,
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  Speaker 2: so take control, don't be afraid to ask ess so
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  Speaker 2: that you coming to tech drag. I proactively went to
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  Speaker 2: the doctor because I thought I had ASTHMONI just told
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  Speaker 2: me I was unfit, struggling to breathe a little bit
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  Speaker 2: at one point in my time.
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  Speaker 1: It's so interesting this this stuff, this medical misogyny stuff.
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  Speaker 1: As you say that, it's like, but it's like until
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, they weren't required to study women's health
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  Speaker 1: in med school. So that means that the people I
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  Speaker 1: went through my contemporaries at university were not studying women's self.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is something these sort of think. All the
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  Speaker 2: all the.
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  Speaker 1: Old men doctors, they wouldn't know that. But it's like,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three is not that long ago. But even
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  Speaker 1: with all of the information at our disposal and the like,
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  Speaker 1: I had a rough run with planet of fasciitis up
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  Speaker 1: until about twelve months ago. That's related to menopause and perimenopause.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, is it what the fuck new sore
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  Speaker 1: feet is from?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, unless we're talking about these things that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we just go, well, there's no way I
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  Speaker 1: would talk to my doctor about that because I just go,
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  Speaker 1: it's just musclesareness in my feet. It's very painful and unpleasant,
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  Speaker 1: muscle saun but you know, you roll them out, do
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  Speaker 1: all these other exercises. But you know, it's seeing pedietrists
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  Speaker 1: and the like. And it wasn't until I went to
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  Speaker 1: I went to a pedietist in Balmain who has actually
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  Speaker 1: worked with both the Swiss and the and the Giants,
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  Speaker 1: and just in passing she said, oh, yeah, it's not
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  Speaker 1: not an uncommon thing for perimenopausal and menopausal women to
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  Speaker 1: get planted fasciotists. Well, you would not think that what's
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  Speaker 1: going on with your hormones is actually going to be
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  Speaker 1: impacting the souls of your feet. And it's incredible all
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  Speaker 1: the different things that it does impact. And you know
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  Speaker 1: how we meant to know that if our doctors don't
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  Speaker 1: know that. So it is a you know very much
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  Speaker 1: about advocating for yourself and and and I guess even
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  Speaker 1: being aware when you're at the GP of what are
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  Speaker 1: the things that are going going on in my body?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'll often go and go, I'm here for a newscript,
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  Speaker 1: and how's this going, how's that going? And unless I've
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  Speaker 1: spent some time thinking about it before I go into
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  Speaker 1: the GP to say, you know, oh, well here's some
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  Speaker 1: here's some things. Is there anything interesting in that? Well,
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  Speaker 1: he can't work with what I get in.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: And from us if you think about we're a netball podcast,
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  Speaker 3: so you go back to netball and to sport even research,
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  Speaker 3: so in the past, and there was no requirement that
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  Speaker 3: research had to be done on men and women. It
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  Speaker 3: was just madely done on men, and then women were
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  Speaker 3: treaded as small men. Yeah, and so things like ACL injuries,
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  Speaker 3: there's a.
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  Speaker 2: Link to your hormones and to the time of your cycle.
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  Speaker 2: And so you would see this with your work directly
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  Speaker 2: with athletes. So absolutely research needs to be done on
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  Speaker 2: women because your menstrual cycle has a massive impact on
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  Speaker 2: your physiology. Yeah, World Netball, I just got an email
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  Speaker 2: just recently, World Netball. There is a study currently going
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  Speaker 2: on around connection to ACL and mental cycles. So they're
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  Speaker 2: asking for elite athletes and coaches and medical staff, et
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  Speaker 2: cetera to engage in that research so that we can understand.
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  Speaker 2: They know that there's a link, but they want to
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  Speaker 2: get a better understanding of that link and then like
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  Speaker 2: the preventative measures, right because you know, obviously as a
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  Speaker 2: women's dominated sport, it's a fairly important piece of our
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  Speaker 2: puzzle to try and eradicate if we can from the
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  Speaker 2: game because acls take seasons away. Sunday our an is
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  Speaker 2: just a great example of you know, that horrific scene
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the Internationals, you know, and then
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  Speaker 2: you're not playing this year and missing a Commonwealth game.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the last thing we want for any athlete for.
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  Speaker 1: And it happens, you know, when at the time girls
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  Speaker 1: are hitting puberty too.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot more of sports.
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  Speaker 1: Related injuries for exactly the same reason. They've got all
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  Speaker 1: of these hormones going through their system, and you know
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  Speaker 1: there's and that's a time when girls are going to
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  Speaker 1: drop out. Most likely to drop had a sport too,
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  Speaker 1: So it's really critical that we get a better understanding
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  Speaker 1: of all of these things and the impact that it has.
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  Speaker 1: Because you know, you play sport, I reckon you're going
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  Speaker 1: to a happier life.
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  Speaker 2: That's yes, God, you know, with athlete management systems, I've
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  Speaker 2: been out of the game for a long time now,
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  Speaker 2: so in terms of being a player, so I'm interested
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  Speaker 2: in what happens. Yeah, there's athlete management systems and the
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  Speaker 2: athletes record how they're feeling, and do you tailor training
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  Speaker 2: or rest periods or recovery around menstrual cycles? Are we
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  Speaker 2: that sort of in tune with that sort of stuff? Yet? Ah,
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  Speaker 2: that's very play individual because as we all know, menstrual
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  Speaker 2: cycles vary in terms of intensity and et cetera. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: has has different scenarios and some players are on you know,
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  Speaker 2: medications or whatnot that you know that they don't get
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  Speaker 2: their cycle during the season. Some choose to do that sometime.
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  Speaker 2: But it looks you know, like I mean, it's monitored.
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  Speaker 2: It's more it's more the other aspects around it. That
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  Speaker 2: can become with fatigue, So some players will cite fatigue
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  Speaker 2: around that period of time, lack of sleep that can
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  Speaker 2: often be part and parcel around a mental cycle. So
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  Speaker 2: those things are noted they but specifically tailoring training around
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  Speaker 2: around a mental cycle. It would be more the information
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  Speaker 2: you take to that into the bigger picture and the
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  Speaker 2: load management of that athlete at that point in time.
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  Speaker 2: But again, as I said to you, I think the
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  Speaker 2: research that is inevitably going to be done will play
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  Speaker 2: big piece moving forward in us understanding understanding better. And
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  Speaker 2: actually I think Liz understanding earlier, like Carolyne you just mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: you know, at a younger age, understanding the impacts on
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  Speaker 2: athletes earlier, so that when they're getting into pathway systems
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  Speaker 2: and then at that elite level where we're better, they're
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  Speaker 2: better and we're better for it, not just sort of
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  Speaker 2: dealing with the elite product. I think it's through the system.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see what comes from that. Cool
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  Speaker 2: good chat.
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  Speaker 1: Good chat. But yeah, make sure if you if you
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  Speaker 1: have asthma, talk to your GP about how to change
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  Speaker 1: your treatment plans.
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  Speaker 2: Just going your treatment plan.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like before we have a break and come
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  Speaker 1: back and talk about netball. We've given Margaret Ellis's parenting
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a hammering in the.
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  Speaker 2: Last couple of bees, but I won't like to say.
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  Speaker 1: You know, have you ever heard an interview with Kurt Fernley,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just legendary paralympian Kurt Firmley grew up in Kawa,
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  Speaker 1: one of a number of kids in his family, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's just great to hear the way he
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  Speaker 1: was brought up and you know, he clearly didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the lower body mobility or development that his siblings did,
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  Speaker 1: and they just went keep up, you know, and then
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  Speaker 1: the town got together and raised money to get him
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  Speaker 1: a racing wheelchair. But you know, again, his parents didn't
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  Speaker 1: let him define himself by what was, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: significant disability, and you talked about, well this suben you
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  Speaker 1: have to deal with, mate, get after it. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what an extraordinary athlete came out of that self belief.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good word, Margaret. Yeah, I was just quickly. I
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  Speaker 2: was just thinking about this actually only this week that
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  Speaker 2: this word resilience, right, like, you know, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that I feel like our generation like we will build time. Well,
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  Speaker 2: our generation nothing compared to the generation for ours resilience. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like this word resilience is slowly dwindly.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's right or wrong, but I
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  Speaker 2: just I just hope that the current generation can continue
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  Speaker 2: to build resilience. I think it's really important. It's such
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  Speaker 2: an like it's such a powerful word and it can
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  Speaker 2: be used so often, and like you hear you know,
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  Speaker 2: like you know your mum lives, I mean, like she
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  Speaker 2: really just built resilience in you, didn't she as well? Right,
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  Speaker 2: like get out, keep at it whatever, ye.
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  Speaker 1: Should pay attention to that one.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what?
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  Speaker 3: Actually it does come into my parenting because when my
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  Speaker 3: kids were little, oh this is going to say, really mean,
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  Speaker 3: I would do things to make them be resilient. So
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  Speaker 3: I would just walk in and say television goes off
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  Speaker 3: in three two one and they lose it fun.
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  Speaker 2: Then five minutes started old fun. I was like, see,
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  Speaker 2: you can get over it. And I still do things
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  Speaker 2: from them now. I mean it's not mean, it's not illegal,
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  Speaker 2: but I do things to make them be risky, resilient.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I've probably telling, but then when they win,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, hey, hey, you're going to have something
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  Speaker 2: to tell your therapist.
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  Speaker 1: So my hot parenting tip for people with young children
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  Speaker 1: is you do you know they try to go to
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  Speaker 1: sleep in the car when you're about eighteen months two
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  Speaker 1: years old. They go to sleep two minutes before you
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  Speaker 1: get in nice for nap time, and then they go, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm fine, I've just had a sleep.
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  Speaker 2: Look.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't going to be in any books you read,
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  Speaker 1: but this is why you listen to this podcast for
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: the parenting tips that you can't get in official channels.
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  Speaker 1: We kept a little water pistol in the cop.
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  Speaker 2: Love it, Oh, I love that the window. Wish I'd
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  Speaker 2: have thought of a what can you imagine driving past
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  Speaker 2: the cough and one head on the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little siny whale shaped one that they used
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  Speaker 1: in the bar. I don't know that it was my
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  Speaker 1: finest moment as a parent.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, whatever gets you through the day, right, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: all right, We're gonna take a little break and if
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  Speaker 4: you come back and talk about some netball, netball, netball, netball.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a lot left of this season. There are
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: two games left in the Super Netball season, so we've
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: got to suck the life out of this. But then
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  Speaker 1: we've also got I would like us to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the signings period, which I know is probably a night
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  Speaker 1: It is a nightmare for you, Sue. It's probably a
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  Speaker 1: nightmare for you, Liz, because you've got a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of other stuff that has But for someone like me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to sit back and crack open a
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  Speaker 1: wine and look at social media. I can't wait for
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  Speaker 1: the map social media team this year for the announcements
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  Speaker 1: of tea Birds were great with their announcements this year
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  Speaker 1: and the like so. But first of all, let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about Actually, one thing I want to talk about is
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: the Heffenans. So Georgia Hefferanan on the weekend played in
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  Speaker 1: a preliminary final for Southern Steel versus Tactics. At the
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  Speaker 1: same time, her twin sister Kate was playing for the
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  Speaker 1: Thunderbirds in the what the hell do we call a
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  Speaker 1: semi final?
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  Speaker 2: Daryl says, you're.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yes, and they've gone on for the Southern Steel
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  Speaker 1: Beatax Tactics sixty to fifty four. So his to mister
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  Speaker 1: and missus Heffernan, who I don't know, how do you
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  Speaker 1: decide what to watch on delay?
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  Speaker 2: And what you what? I would have watched?
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  Speaker 1: Kate on delay, working on the assumption that she's probably
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  Speaker 1: going to be going through to the Grand Final. But yeah,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: so George, it's got a game this week, Kates a
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: game next week. Twins like George and Kate Heathnan, the
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Cransberg Twins, like the It's insane, isn't it.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I mean the beauty for the Cransburg's, the parents that
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: you know, they're in the same team, and it was
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: same for Vrombertos in their time as well, in the
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: same team. But for the Heavenens they're not just only
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: different teams, they're in different countries, right.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: The different time zones different a.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Little bit different time zone. But by all accounts, both
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: syst well, we know Kate Heffernan's having a blinder, but
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I think I think her sisters having a ripper season
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: as well, which was great, and being named in the
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Silks to play in Common Games. So yeah, like, irrespective
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: of how that all works out to players in form
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: for the Silver Fans leading into Common Games, it's pretty exciting.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: A lot of players in form for the Silver fans
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: leading into the Common Games. I think it was much And.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: How's that, you know, Like, I mean, just quickly we digress,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: but it's netball digress, so we're allowed to digress. Nolin
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Tartu coming out this week. We're going for gold. The
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: statement has been made. The silver Ferns are going for God. Now,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I know that sounds stupid because you don't go to
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games and don't go for gold. But you
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: wait for it to be said by you wait for
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: it to be said by Dame Nolen Tara or that
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: means business. And like you think about the turmoil that's
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: happened with the Silver Ferns and stepping and all of that,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: and now apparently all back on track within reason, side
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: selected and Nolin now out and the voice piece is
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: where we're going for it? Well, wouldn't you say that
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: when you're having a look at the form of some
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: of your players in the league over here? Kellie Jackson
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: took every award at the Firebirds. You see that she
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: took every award at the Firebirds dinner ever award. Kellie
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Jackson coaching no one else. Naddy Gordon I thought played
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: some really good netball in the back end of the
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: season when she'd sort of got her injury right. Heffernan
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: just insane k Heffen's a pick. She's been amazing. Karen
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Berger also had a blinder of a season.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: You know, I think who key We netball fans really
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: need to thank, and that is Grace workI because because
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Grace had the courage to step out of what was
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: then the rule about Silver Ferns eligibility and she went
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: no one and go and play with the Swifts for
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: a while. That put pressure on New Zealand Netball to
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: change that rule, which then meant we had all of
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: these amazing key We players coming over here at this year,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: which has been great for our season, but has been
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: sensational for the Silver Ferns leading into colm games because
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: they have all had this season now playing in the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: best comp in the world leading it. So, you know,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be at all surprised. I've a pissed. I
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be at all surprised if they did get the gold
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: medal this time.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what's been interesting And I think
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Coxy said it a few weeks ago on on the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: dribble around, you know, like she probably spoke up a
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: little bit earlier in the season to say they hadn't
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: really a lot of the Ferns imports hadn't really lit
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: the season on fire. You know, they're a bit but
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: it just took them a little while to understand, as
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: it does with a lot of imports in this leet.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: When you step in to the world's best netball league,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: it takes a bit of time to find the tempo,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the rhythm, the style of game and new club, et cetera.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: But those Silver Ferns players have all found form at
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: the right end of the season. And like if you
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: were the Silver Fans coach Arnie Knowles, you'd be rubbing
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: your hands together. So that statement, I think there's a
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: lot of weight and power behind that statement and also
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: too within reason. When you look at the the two
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: what do you call them pools for Commonwealth Games? Ozzie's
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: have got the tough pool. They've got England and they've
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: got South Africa. New Zealand have Jamaica now Jamaica and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: no throwaway but they don't have they don't have foul
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: and Emma Aiken, George Nelson whilst the team hasn't been announced, Shit,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: there's an inside for you. But do you know what
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I mean? Like that they're not going to have well
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming they don't, but they're not going to have
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the power at the front that they usually have. They'll
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: certainly have the back, but not the power at the front.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: So like ferns probably have an easier run to the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: goalpost than the others.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know, interesting, it's exciting. I just remind everyone
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I have two passports, so you know I can jump
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: on what out of bandwagon? I wait, you know I'm Australian,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: not happy jan, I'm Australian. I didn't get up to
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: watch the soccer eos on Saturday morning, though I did
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: wake up at six and look at my phone and go,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: they're too kneel down off, I'll you just watch it
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: from bed.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't get up. I'm got up and I said
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: to my husband as I go a bed, I must
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: really out a sign, m oh, did did you get it?
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Did Astin get up? Austin is obsessed, obsessed with soccer obsessed?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, And I thought he was like, Mommy,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: can you get up? And I thought they'll.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Come a time, can't expelled Kapauhey were like, Mum, please
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: don't come anywhere near meet So I thought, right, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I just excused to line the b bag and cuddle him.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, I saw something incredible this morning, and I took
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a screenshot of it because I wanted to share it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: So there is a woman in Where's she from? She's
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: from Ecuador. In nineteen ninety eight, a woman in Ecuador
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: entered a Coca Cola raffle thinking she'd won a trip
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: to the World Cup. She'd actually won a trip to
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: every World Cup for the rest of her life. Wow,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Maria Jesus Pinagotte, I very much apologize for the pronunciation.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: There has now attended eight consecutive tournaments France ninety eight, Korea,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Japan two thousand and two, Germany two thousand and six,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: South Africa twenty ten, Brazil twenty fourteen, Russia eighteen, Katat
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: twenty two and now US in twenty twenty six, all
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: from a raffle she entered twenty eight years ago. House
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: sensational and like young men she was watching play at
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the first one. Are now like coaches? What do they
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: call the team managers that I don't understand the geffer
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the geffer, Godie, what were you going to say?
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: No? I was just going to say, like Federation Square
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne So I was in Melbourne the previous week
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: obviously for the Fever Vixen's Round fourteen game, and that
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: was the first Ossie game that where we won. I
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: can't remember who we played, and Federation Square was set
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: up and the amount of people that came to fed
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Square to watch the game was incredible. I was like, Oh,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: that's terrific. But then I was really disappointed, and this
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: is what just hope Australia doesn't get to this point, right.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So I watched then some footage of game two, which
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: was the three am or would depend would six five
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: am with you on the East Coast game, and again
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Federation Square was pulsating like insane, to the point that
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: so many people had turned up they couldn't get them
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: into fed Square. And then the madness started and people
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: were pushing and barriers started to fall down and people
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: were jumping, and I just go like, there's just that
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: for me, like as a mad sports fan, I go,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: but there's just no space for that sort of behavior.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: And I just I know the world game and I
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: love the passion and I love how it again I
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: watch things like this and I go sport is one
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: of the most incredible vehicles for human togetherness right, and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: can also on a dime turn very quickly. You look
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: at the NBA Finals over in New York and the
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Knicks fans decided they want to bloody rip up the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: city after the Knicks winner game. I mean, what sort
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: of behavior is that. It's just stupid. So I get
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I love it on one hand, but like, can I
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: just say to all of those young men out there
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: that listen to the Note Trooper podcasts, because I think
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: in the event diagram of like people ripping up the city
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and listening to the I don't know that there is
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: an overlap.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: But Auntie Susan has some advice Auntie Susan.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And that is to all the dribble parents out there
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that have sons that turn up to Federation Squirrel anywhere else,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: please tell them to behave Like I know I sound old,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: but like, honestly, watching footage like that, I go from
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: one moment where I'm watching the footage and it just
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: is so patriotic and the way they sung the national
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: anthem like honestly just unreal. And you know, I'm the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: big I love that sort of stuff, but in a dime,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I'm then just so disappointed with such pathetic, stupid, immature
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: behavior that's unnecessary. And they all just think they're bloody heroes.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: They're dickheads. They go from heroes to dickheads. Sorry that
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: segment called anti suster Wolf. I just love that buddy.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Every get your Shit Together by Sue Gordian. Yeah, can
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I are you avoiding talking about this weekend's game though?
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Is that what's going on here? In talking about all
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: these young.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as we speak, I'm on an aeroplane vice as
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: we speak.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing world. This is a live podcast, and Sue,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: it's Friday.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: She's on a plane.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So Vixen's Fever, I'm going to I reckon Fever have
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: got this one. As I said, you know, underestimate the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Vixen's at your peril. But when I look at the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: path that they have both had to get here, I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: think that Fever have been building and I think that
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: now I do have to make an apology. I did
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: say that. I did say last week's episode that Vixen's
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: haven't had a win since about round nine, but this
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: is their run. In round seven they beat Fever by six.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: In round eight they had a win, but it was
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the Giants by two. Round nine they had a win
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: it was a five Birds by twenty three, so again
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: two teams at the bottom of the ladder. Round ten
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: they lost to Lightning. Round eleven they beat the Swifts
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: by ten, but all four of those games were teams
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: sitting who did not make the finals. Then they've had
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Round twelve they lost to Thunderbirds by nineteen. Round thirteen
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: they lost to mAbs by nine. Round fourteen they lost
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: to Fever by nine, and then of course last week
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: in the final they lost that by fourteen. Contrast that
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to Fever. They have Hades. Round twelve they lost to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Mavericks by three, but round thirteen they beat the Giants.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Round fourteen they beat the Vixens in Melbourne and in
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the semi final they beat the mAbs by four. So
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I just I feel like it will be Fever going
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to the finals.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth, was you us? Yeah?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Would you or anyone cared to comment on my well
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: argued backed up by facts and stats channeling Darryl Milton point.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I think the preliminary fund is always tough because you've
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: got a team that's come off a loss and they're disappointed,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: and a team that's come off a win, and in
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: this case, the team that's come off a win is building.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: The team that's come off for loss is sort of
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: they look that their results don't suggest that they're traveling
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: particularly well. I think the home crowd will come into
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: it for Vixen's and it's I think we're going to
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: get a really desperate match. I think both teams will
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: play really desperate netbook. I know they'll have to, as
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: hunder Burns will be really happy watching both teams be
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: really desperate.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I just think you go into this and the form,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: the form suggests Fever for the win, the class and
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: the talent in the Vixen's team, you think.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I'll probably just sat there. I'm sitting
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: on the fence. I frequs switching like this for me,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and I've thought this for a while. This is probably
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest rivalries that's been developed in our sports.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: So when you look at stats like these are the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: two most successful clubs in the history of some Corps
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: super Netball in terms of yeah finals appearances. So they're
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: both played in eight finals appearances in the in the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: ten years of the competition.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: And Fever seven in a row or something.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Like seven in a row for Fever, eight in total
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: for Fever and eighteen total for the Vixens, but not
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: seven in a row. And then you think about it
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and you go like in terms of brand finals and
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: whilst this is only a preliminary final, but you're talking
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: about the history of these two clubs. They've played, i
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: think off in three grand finals against each other, which
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: is more than any other clubs had played against each other.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: And yeah, there's some real there's some real sort of
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: background and some you know, it goes right back to
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the COVID days and it started really the rivalry off
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: the back of that game that got canceled when the
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Vixens crossed the border and they didn't come to per
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and then the West Coast Fever. Refresh my memory on that.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Oh god, so there was we're in COVID during the
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: COVID Hub. Was it about lockdown? Ye Vixens were due
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: to come to Perth. Three of their players across the
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: border into Byron Bay and then the borders closed and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: so they then crossed the Queensland New South Wales border
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and then the border closed. And if you had been
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: in that region in the period of time you were
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: in lockdown, and so three of the Vixen's players were
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: automatically put into lockdown, and so the fight became, you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: should you play on or shouldn't you? And so if
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: you're West Coast Fever and you've sold a stadium, you
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: expect your opposition to turn up irrespective of circumstance. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: if you're Fever, you don't sorry, And if you're Vixens,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: you want to make sure that you're playing with the
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: best possible team you can. Anyhow, I wore a hat
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: that was called a general manager at that time, and
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I became a very very angry, abrupt person during that period. However,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: it is where the rivalry I think it started because
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the game was canceled. Fever then had to fly into
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Hub and then had to play a game like so
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: we were playing one game a week, but Fever had
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: to find a second game, or we're playing two games
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: a week or something, and Fever and Viction's had to
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: find an extra game in a week to play, which
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: was I felt a disadvantage to the West Coast Fever
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: given a couple of players across the border. Anyhow, depends
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: which side of the fence you sit on. But that's
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: where the rivalry started, I think between the two clubs,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and since then you've just had two clubs that, you know,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: a season contenders year and year out just about and
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: when they come up against each other, I think you're right, Liz,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: you know that it's going to be a bloody, bloodbath
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: battle six sided. So Sue Fever will fly across to
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Melbourne for the preliminary. If you win, you'll fly back
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: to Perth and come back across. Was there any I assume,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: was there any thought of staate? Like what do you
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: weigh up when you make that decision? That's a man
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: take money out of it, because obviously there's a cost
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to having players. Yeah, but so even if yeah, like
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: is there an advantage would you stay? Is there advantage
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: to get players home into their into their homes, into
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: their normal routine, Like, what do you weigh up? So
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the tough one with this for the West Coast Fever
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: is the game being on a Saturday night doesn't allow
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: us to get out on the same day. So we
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: fly today and whenever this ries, we fly today and
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: then play tomorrow night and then fly home Sunday morning
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and we would return home. I think, just just with
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: the sense that people just want to be in their
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: own beds, and you know, like at the end of
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the day, flying is flying. When you're flying after a win,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: you know you're playing in a Grand Final, four hours
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: five hour on flights, nothing right, you don't worry about it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: But the difference also now is the league have an
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: expectation of clubs to arrive earlier and at this point
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: in time I actually can't remember exactly whether that's Wednesday
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: or Thursday, but because now part of the Grand Final
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: packages that you can purchase the rights to go to
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: captains runs and then there's sort of all these other
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: bits and pieces that captains have, photo shoots, etc. So
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: historically you would try and come in as late as possible,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: if particularly if you're from Perth, because you're trying to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: savor your time. But that's no longer the case. It's
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: a bit of a tough one. But at this stage
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: the intent would be we're returning home and then come
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: back if we're.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Fortunately, what's the access to training facilities? Then for you
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: if you're always so clearly Vixen's will be a home
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and they'll have oh no, I'm wrong because I'm thinking
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: about a Grand Final if you're back there, if you're
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: back early for that, so both teams are at the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: same disadvantage.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: It's actually really good. It's actually a really good question.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And again GM had on when I was there. It
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: was one that I fought because depend each team and
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: this is not just a Fever centric thing, but teams
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: train it. You know, you have your regular or your
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: standard training week, and using West Coast Fever as a
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: case example, we would train on a Thursday evening, right,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and we're also two hours or three hours behind, depending
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: on which time of the season. But coming to finals,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: we're two hours behind. And so whereas other teams might
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: train on a Thursday morning, and then if you're expected
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: to fly for Fever, we need to fly earlier. Again,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: other teams might only might be able to fly in
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: on the day, so you can get your training in
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: on the Thursday morning. Now that might seem really simple,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: that's all right, Fever, just jump on a plane, go
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to Melbourne and train there. But you see, it's about
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: what's in your training environment. And so for West Coast Foever,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: by way of example, we fundamentally rely heavily on our
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: training partners and our men's players who are coming to
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: the environment, and our greatest access to them is after
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: business hours on a Thursday, and it's a big product
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: of the Fever training environment and so then if we
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: have to go early, we actually lose that on our
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: most critical training session. So it's a bit of a
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: battle with the league on it. But you know, at
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, we're also an entertainment product
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and you know, you've got a tick boxes and so
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: you manage and you find ways. So historically we've flown
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: in our training our men's training partners, which has been great,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: but you know that costs a lot of money and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know where the club will be at this
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: time if we're fortunate enough to get ourselves to a
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: grand find.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: That's so if it was a Thunderbird's Fever Grand Final
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: in Melbourne, could you use us the Victorian men's team
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: to come and be training partners, Yes.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, but you know, like, well you could, you could,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: but it's not the same, Like you know, your training
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: play a role and they understand the environment and they
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: know yeah, like I mean you could, and historically, to
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: be honest with you, we actually have done that. We
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: did that during COVID because we couldn't get anybody, so
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: we did have and they were brilliant. And again and
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: probably a shout out to the men's game and the
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: boys who continually put their hand up and come into
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: all of the club's training environments and play formidable roles
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: as opposition and motivators and all that they do in
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the environments. And so yeah, historically we have done that
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and the boys have put their hand up and they've
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: come in and whatnot. But I don't know that that
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: works as well outside of a COVID environment. Ideally, want
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: you want a training environment. So that becomes a financial
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: decision for clubs to make depending on what's important.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: And do you source the bees locally or will you
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: bring the bees.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: On court over from Western So because we will be
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: getting a chartered flight over, we will. No, that's correat.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: So they were the fever aviist apiarist. No. I was
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: just worried about all the biosecurity being broken there, So
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: don't juke's about security. No, we'll be picking up bees
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne, don't worry about that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: One thing I did have to ask is the world's
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: longest Nepele segment. But I did say we would talk
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: about the signings free for all. So just briefly, do
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you have any sense yet so as to what sort
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: of when that window will be.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Or so the intention, the intention, as it always has been,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: would be that the window would open after the Grand Final.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: But at the moment there is still some toing and
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: throwing about whether that timeline will be met. I think
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: everyone's trying to work towards it, but a few things
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: have to fall into place. I guess for that to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: be achieved. Will stay optimistic and hope that's the case,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: because one of the difficulties, and again you know, aligning
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: coming off contract and going into a major tournament like
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games. You know, one of the difficulty is
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: that the longer that gets delayed, it kind of overlaps
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: with some key events. But that's why players that managers
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: and hopefully managers can can service roles that they're supposed
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: to irrespective of what else is going on in the world.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: So at this point in time, clubs are prepping as
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: per the dates, but also prepping for the fact that
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: there might be some some delay while you know, negotiations
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: continue to try and get to a point. God, what
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: not me?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. Well, I think we'll have a quick
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: break and we'll come back for our final segment. Okay,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I have the things that make you go. It's a
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: brief one, but I think it's appropriate given the what
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: we've talked about where I'm actually looking for Jarti Susan's
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: views on this one. So on the weekend I watched
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the Super Rugby Final and that was played in New
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Zealand between two New Zealand teams, none of the Australian
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: teams qualified for but in the opening package beforehand, this
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: made me go, hmm, they went through all of the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: years of Super Rugby and all of the teams that
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: had played it except if an Australian team had won
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: in that year. Then they just pretended that year didn't exist.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: They only put up So this is the Sky Sports
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: package opening package, So the equivalent of Fox doing something
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: for netball and just going well, let's just pretend that
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: never happened because I don't like X y Z team,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: so they just completely erased Australia from and like, to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: be fair, there's only about in that fifteen or twenty
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: not more. Order raise there's not many, no, but it's like, well,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I worked for the Brumbies for several years
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: where they won the Super Rugby finals. That no mention
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: of it, no mention of when the Warratas won it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: It's just love.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: It did not exist. Made me go, do you know?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: As you know part of the way I earned my
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: living history of keynote speaking. And if you listen to
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: my kenote speech, you could be forgiven to think that
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the two thousand and three World Cup never happened. S
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: fair it up, But I was actually going to say,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: all the more reason for them to actually put in
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: when an Australian side one, because at highlights, it's like
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: going back to the ams ED Championship days. These magic
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: were the only team that make finals and actually won
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a premiership in the eleven years or how many years
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: the championship. So you don't shy away from that. You say,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: well done, but you know the other team wrong my bone? Yeah,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: pat him on the head.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Oh look, even sometimes the Australians had managed to do
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: okay in it. But I thought, imagine how wild the
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: keywis would be if an Australian broadcast did do that,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and just went you do not exist here.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: That to happen. I find that really hurrigant. Yeah, anyhow,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: and well, I.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Mean clearly they're clearly marketing to a particular audience, like
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: there wouldn't have been I mean, there's not men Australians
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: watching Super Roupy as far as I can tell anyway,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: But like you know, there wouldn't have been many Australians
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: who watched it. But you know, we certainly did. Hear
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: my mum lives in Wellington. Hurricanes wonn't convincingly, but you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: just interested in rugby, we would.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Have watched it anyway.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: But it was just funny to watch the opening package
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and go, hello, I thought this was a transtasment competition,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: but apparently I'm wrong.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: If you win, yeah, well that's that's I think you've
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: just nailed it there for me. If you're going to
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: open your competition up to others around the world, you
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: accept that straight away, do you know? Years ago at
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen World cuff I was commentating with Jenny
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Woods the final and so as host broadcaster, our commentary
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: went to both New Zealand and Australia, and back then
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I had Twitter, I don't have Twitter anymore, and I
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: got all these filthy messages from Kiwi's yelling at me
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: for not cheering for the New Zealand team.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Then you need to be encouraged. I'm like, bat, I'm like,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: this broadcast goes everywhere. I'm trying, like I'm giving obviously
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: given Australian perspective, but like they were really upt me
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: for not cheering, and I'm being more vocal about cheering.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: And I've got to explain a story. I'm going to
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: tell this story in a way to keep it interesting.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: But I'm not going to throw that person under the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: bus because I did that live on air. But I
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: World Cup South Africa, Last World Cup South Africa. So
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I was with the host broadcaster and called a lot
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: of the Aussie games and then we would usually have
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: a non Australian sitting as expert, and then depending it
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: might have we had Maddie Brown over there with us.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Maddie might have been on the sideline or whatever. Anyhow,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: we got to one of the bigger games. Missus good.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: You know, dwindled down, folks, You'll figure this out. So
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I got to one of the bigger games and I
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: was commentating with someone from the opposing country. So it
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: was Australia and someone from the opposing country and not
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: an overly experienced commentator, and we're going through the game
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and Australia were killing it like they were doing a
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: really good job. And so and I pride myself and
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I don't care who's playing. I just call the game
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: as I see it. But my co commentator decided that
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: that wasn't the case and was very patriotic in moments
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: that just didn't deserve patriotism, and so I just called
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: it on air. I just had had enough and I
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: was just like, get off your I actually said the country,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: get off your something high horse, and call the game
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: as you see it. And anyhow, she wrote to the
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: executive producer and I got kicked off the Grisian final
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: port you jeez.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: No, And I just wondered why you went to Yeah, yeah,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: it was crazy.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: So anyhow, it's a bit of controversy over in South Africa.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: But anyhow, lots goes on in the background. But yeah,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I just like, you know, like if you're going to commentate,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: it's it's really important that you go in and you
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: call it as you see it, unless you're an Australian like,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: so when Kath Cox and Kim Green call the Aussie game,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: that is for Australian audiences. So you call the hell
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: out of Australia, right, But when you're going to listen
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: to my commentary over at the Calm Games, I'm neutral,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: So I will call what I see. You know that
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: we just have a little moment. Who at Channel seven
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: didn't do their research? And I've let you as I
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: wouldn't end be Channel seven, you must be host broadcast?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: So who is that you? And that's great, isn't it
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: someone who was the host broadcast? So didn't actually just google? Who?
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: The two? Who are the two of the naughtiest girls
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: in netble? Oh, let's put them together.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I was going to talk before when we were talking
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: about the Netball Hub where Sho's having this terrible time
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: as GM and you and Cath are just on the
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: pierce except for the four hours a day that you
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: commentated to hang on.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I've got video called GYPSU on the piers sometimes. Yeah,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: every so often that stuff pops up? Is that me
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and I Yoda? Do you remember when I had the
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: blanket over me with So I'm trying to bring my
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: husband going. You know, I really miss you. It's a
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: terrible Meanwhile, we're like Sue be Yoda. Yes, no they have.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: They've let Cat and Eye into Glasgow to we've been
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: We've been messaging back and forth. Cat actually has a
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: flight at this point in time on Friday. I simply don't,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: so I don't even know if I'm going, but I
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: hope I get a flight soon. But I mean so,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. I haven't had a lot
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: of time next to Cat. We always message each other
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and we laugh at each other's jokes occasionally. Well, I'm
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: quite looking forward to Yeah, it should be fun. And
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: then I will switch to I'll have to switch between
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: you two and Kathy Kim how Australian of course you
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: in the Bears.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not surprised you haven't had much time to
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: think about the Colm games. You've got a lot on
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and we're very, very very grateful that you have given
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: us this time. Live from your flight over the Nullaball
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: plane heading to Melbourne. I hope it is a good
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: trip just for everyone. Our tickets to our Grand final
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: E function, must I stop selling. I've had to negotiate.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I've had to beg for the venue to let us
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: go through until Monday, the twenty night the June, but
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: we have to stop selling that day at midday because
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I have to give them final numbers. So if you
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: are intending to come, and we have some amazing guests,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: so god In is going to come and join us too.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: We have some awesome other surprise guests, big prizes, good times.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Jump on trybooking and get your ticket. Please do come
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and join us. It's it's a super fun event, isn't it.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: So it's just super fun. Ev me or be there?
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Oh there?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe there are no ticket sales at the door. You
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: must buy them before midday on Monday, the twenty ninth
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: of June. But that is all we have time for.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Ah, that's good. I think something made a noise. Then
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I've got a wi and I didn't want to do
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: a hat Cox and go meet out, So you don't
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: want to do a cat Cox.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: But here's to a final penalty penultimate round of super netbaal.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Let it be an extraordinary one. Thanks for joining us.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I'm Carolyn Svindel, Misealos' only su bye think okay, So
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: this is the bit right at the end of the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: show where we say something really funny, so ready go
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: not knock? Oh great, who's there?
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I do do you know what? I do? Not know
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: and not knocked joke? Do you know I'm not knock joke?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I do know what, but it's not very nice,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: so I'm not going to tell it. I told it
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: at the bob Or Brewery a couple of weeks ago,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and Cats really wanted me to tell the story. I'm here,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: but it's like, no, it's not particularly for people who
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: were religious, it's not. But no, why did Why don't
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: gingerbread ladies wear skirts?
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Why don't gingerbread ladies?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I've got crumbing legs.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: That's how you'd be a professional stand up comedian. All right,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks by