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#641 - Shyne Talks Music Comeback, Convos With Hov, Working With Dr. Dre, Leading the Opposition in Belize · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: So legend that we shine from Belize. Check me out
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  Speaker 2: Yo.
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  Speaker 3: hear us. Let's get into the interview.
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  Speaker 2: Bootleg keV show Man. We got a special guest in here.
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  Speaker 3: Sean motherfucking Poe that's right in the building from Belize. Yes, sir, man,
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  Speaker 3: fresh off the plane, Fresh off the plane, man, Buck flight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's good to see you. Man. How's first of all,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about this little bit. You're obviously kind of
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  Speaker 3: it's been twenty five years since you got convicted.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, it's it's well, we're in March, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. Yeah, yeah, it's not an anniversary
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  Speaker 1: I can to remember.
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  Speaker 3: Right, But I mean, really, twenty five years since kind
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  Speaker 3: of your entire career and we began to know you,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with the debut album.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, twenty five years since the Shan album came
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  Speaker 1: out self titled Debut twenty six. We were just talking
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  Speaker 1: off about the time period between March sixteenth, two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and one, when I was you know, oh so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: wrongfully convicted, held in captivity, how I literally had the
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  Speaker 1: album dropped September twenty sixth, two thousand.
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  Speaker 3: So coming up in September, it's twenty five years.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, we're in the twenty five years. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're in twenty twenty six. I keep thinking, yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm celebrating until we get to September twenty six, twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: which is coming out. That's a good number six, twenty six. Well,
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  Speaker 1: here we were talking about how in you know, September
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixth, twenty thousand, two, Guys, yeah, you had two thousand.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry you had October, November, December, January. I was
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  Speaker 1: picking the jury February. I was on trial. In March sixteenth,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one. I was wrongfully convicted. So I
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  Speaker 1: never got a chance to come here. I never got
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  Speaker 1: a chance to perform, which is crazy day, which I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to because you know, we launching the world
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  Speaker 1: tour may Tewid King standa Brooklyn, New York, where I
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  Speaker 1: was born. I literally was born blocks were not born.
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  Speaker 1: I was born in Belize, but we had my hip
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  Speaker 1: hop career was born. Yeah. I came to America when
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  Speaker 1: I was eight years old, but where I grew up,
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  Speaker 1: literally the kingstad is blocks away. So yeah, I look
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  Speaker 1: forward to performing here in La uh in a few months.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to me man, because you obviously you've had such
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  Speaker 3: an interesting journey. You know, we'll get to what ended up,
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  Speaker 3: what happened that made you go sit down, but even
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  Speaker 3: just the idea of like being someone incarcerated and still
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  Speaker 3: captivating old hip hop media at the time. We talked
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  Speaker 3: about how he was on the cover of three of
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  Speaker 3: these things while he was locked up.
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  Speaker 1: The Vibe magazine and I was on I was not
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  Speaker 1: just on the Vibe magazine.
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  Speaker 3: It was on the Source three double XL hold on,
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  Speaker 3: I was.
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  Speaker 1: On the Juice cover of the Vibe magazine. Now, let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you who were on the Juice cover. A
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  Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of uh Barack Obama, a gentleman
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  Speaker 1: by the name of Michael Jackson Crazy, and a gentleman
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  Speaker 1: by the name of Tupac Crazy. And another gentleman by
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  Speaker 1: the name of Notrri's b I G. I think they
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  Speaker 1: in different years. Yeah, they did the Juice cover, which
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  Speaker 1: is the biggest cover. So definitely, I was a mythical creature.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you had this mythical allure while you were incarcerated
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  Speaker 3: in it. And you know, I even remember the bidding
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  Speaker 3: war that was talked about while in so you were
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  Speaker 3: in jail because I think your deal with bad Boy
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  Speaker 3: was up in like.
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  Speaker 1: Two Well, no, sure that I felt, man, you know,
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  Speaker 1: of course, it took my life, took my life, you know, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, and I remember there was like a point in
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  Speaker 3: time where there was a lot of rumors that maybe
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna go murder inc or you were gonna go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, God, bless God, bless irv Gotti and Sol rest
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  Speaker 1: in peace. They definitely came through to Rykers Allen when
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  Speaker 1: I was down there fighting my pill. I got to
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  Speaker 1: give you know, credit to fifty cent as well. He
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  Speaker 1: reached out. He was trying to do the g anything
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  Speaker 1: him and Shaw Money XL, So he definitely wanted to
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  Speaker 1: sign me. Doctor Dre, Doctor Math approached me to do
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  Speaker 1: a record with a young gentleman by the name of
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  Speaker 1: the Game for the documentary album. But then my guy,
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  Speaker 1: who's a big time Hollywood execu out here now Imani Helly.
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  Speaker 1: At the time he was in the music he was
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  Speaker 1: managing a young California a union by the name of
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  Speaker 1: Keisha Cole Okay right from the Bay right, And I
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  Speaker 1: had to make a choice between Dre and my child friend,
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  Speaker 1: and so I had to go with Manny, right, I
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  Speaker 1: had to. I had to go with my friend. But
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  Speaker 1: everybody Jay jay Z pulled up to Rykers Allen and
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  Speaker 1: the mayback, everybody wanted to sign.
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  Speaker 3: jay Z comes and sees you and and I mean,
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  Speaker 3: obviously this is jay Z early two thousands.
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  Speaker 1: He's still Hove, right, but he's over.
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  Speaker 3: But but you know, twenty twenty six, we look at
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  Speaker 3: jay Z like he's this mythical figure that he's like,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, he was signing people.
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  Speaker 1: He was he was always he was always a mythical.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious, what's the what's the visit.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to hold you. He was always a
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  Speaker 1: mythical creature from five to sixty State Street, like Hove's
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  Speaker 1: always hole. Obviously he's billionaire Hove now and he's he's inactive,
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  Speaker 1: although I saw some some rumors saying that he's working
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  Speaker 1: on I just saw this too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's about time. It's good a minute.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I love the way I announced
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  Speaker 1: my album. Was just talking to Cam Killer Cam and
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  Speaker 1: Mace Murder. Mace. He was just on the phone because
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  Speaker 1: you know Mace, that's my guy. You know, we came
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  Speaker 1: up together. He was uh, he was it was the shack.
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  Speaker 1: He was the shack. He was the shack. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I was the Kobe that just came to the team.
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  Speaker 1: But we were just talking. And you know when I did,
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  Speaker 1: I talked to Cam. We had done some media back
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  Speaker 1: in September because I had just gotten you know, my
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  Speaker 1: work papers, so I couldn't, you know, start the tours,
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  Speaker 1: start anything. But I came on the day the album
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  Speaker 1: was released just to make the announcement that it's coming,
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  Speaker 1: the tours coming, the albums are coming. So just for
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  Speaker 1: the record, I was there September twenty sixth visualizing the
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  Speaker 1: new albums which is coming end of the year. Right
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  Speaker 1: the lineup, I can imagine the lineup. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: just got off the phone. My little brother, hit Boy
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  Speaker 1: shot to hit Man, you're in l A. I just
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  Speaker 1: got off the phone. I've been trying to catch up
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  Speaker 1: with him. But you know how it is, numbers changed.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody needs you to drag just blaze from wherever he is.
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  Speaker 1: You know I was thinking about just what is just?
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea, but that's one of your favorite
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  Speaker 1: songs right down. T is my favorite chine Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: thank you man, thank you. My favorites too. Well. We
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  Speaker 1: got to find out with Justice and I'm gonna put him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on that. I'm gonna put I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna ask Lenny, Yes, I'm Lenny will probably be here
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  Speaker 1: for now.
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  Speaker 3: I saw you talking that the new new project. You've
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  Speaker 3: gotten some working with him? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, listen, man, I was, I was in Miami.
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  Speaker 1: I just came from Miami. You know, I had to
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  Speaker 1: plug Belieze, but I just came from Miami.
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  Speaker 3: Man cooking?
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  Speaker 1: How many?
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  Speaker 3: How many songs you think it got done so far
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  Speaker 3: for this project?
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  Speaker 1: Now? I got three albums, you got three. But the
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  Speaker 1: way I make my albums is the music first. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't physically write rhymes. I create in
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  Speaker 1: my in my mind. But I only create based on
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  Speaker 1: the music.
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  Speaker 3: So you're gonna pull, you pull the music together for
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  Speaker 3: each project and then and then I start recording.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense right, So so yeah, so I got
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  Speaker 1: my three albums worth for material. Yeah, pretty much I'm
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  Speaker 1: closing out now, so I need that. I need that
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  Speaker 1: a West Coast bounce, get it hit boy, right, I
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  Speaker 1: need like d god bless you know, he's like in
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  Speaker 1: the ether. So I got my best record so far
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  Speaker 1: it is with him. But doctor, I got so many
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  Speaker 1: crazy records.
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  Speaker 3: What is it like? Because for you man like.
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  Speaker 1: But let me tie tie that back into We asked
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  Speaker 1: me what it was like when Hove came to see Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so all that I just explained to you is a
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  Speaker 1: diamond that Hove gave me when he came to see
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  Speaker 1: me on rykers Allen because he was also the president
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  Speaker 1: of Death Jam at the time. So we were going
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  Speaker 1: over the Godfather Buried Alive album, yes with death Jam,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, he came to pay his respects as
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  Speaker 1: a president and that what what was that conversation Like
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  Speaker 1: that conversation was him telling me about him meeting with
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  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones and them explaining to him
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  Speaker 1: the process of thriller. And that's what that's the mentality
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  Speaker 1: that he wanted me to apply to the upcoming projects.
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  Speaker 1: Right after, you know, Godfather Baried Alive was done. I
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  Speaker 1: believe he already released it. But moving forward. He was like, listen,
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  Speaker 1: the process that Mike and Quincy gave me was that
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  Speaker 1: every so they do beat It, then they do Billy Jeans,
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  Speaker 1: then to be like, Okay, we gotta do Thriller. Then
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  Speaker 1: we just every record had to be a record bigger,
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  Speaker 1: better or competitive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're competing against yourself the last record.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, so it's like you're looking So it's like,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing right now. Like the record. I
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  Speaker 1: really got to thank Dre, you know him and his team.
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  Speaker 1: I got Smitty.
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  Speaker 3: Smitty's great writer too.
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  Speaker 1: Smitty's incredible, and you know, just going to sit down
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  Speaker 1: with Dre, there's so much for my mental space as
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  Speaker 1: far as you know, you know what you have to offer,
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  Speaker 1: you know what you came to do. But I literally
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  Speaker 1: wrote this down a year ago. When I lost my
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  Speaker 1: seat in the House of Representatives, I came up with
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  Speaker 1: a plan. I said, well, listen, I had no idea
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  Speaker 1: that would happen, but I said, what am I going
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  Speaker 1: to do? And I said, you know what is my
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifth anniversary coming up in September. I need a tour.
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  Speaker 1: I had promised when I was in the House Representeds
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  Speaker 1: when my documentary came out the Honorable Shine on Hulu.
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  Speaker 1: Go see that if you haven't seen it. I had
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  Speaker 1: promised the Honorable album, but I just couldn't do it
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  Speaker 1: because I was gayer people serving my people right, and
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  Speaker 1: I never want to. I never want to to short
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  Speaker 1: or to to to disadvantage my supporters and give them less.
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  Speaker 1: You want to serve.
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  Speaker 3: If who are elect you to do something, you gotta
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  Speaker 3: give them.
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  Speaker 1: But then I'm talking about my audience. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: my music, and the.
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  Speaker 3: People turn the music, because then you're gonna put out
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  Speaker 3: some ship and people might be like.
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  Speaker 1: People, and the people of Beliefs come first. To this day,
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  Speaker 1: they still come first. And all of these things you see,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm talking everybody, visit Belize, this camera, that camera, Paradise.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure you visit Belize. But so I couldn't create
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  Speaker 1: greatness because I was so focused on creating solutions for
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  Speaker 1: the people of believes But when I lost my seat,
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  Speaker 1: I said, you know what.
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  Speaker 3: I need to do to get to the curse.
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  Speaker 1: I need to do the honorable shit. I need to
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  Speaker 1: tourist my twenty fifth anniversary. And I always said that
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  Speaker 1: if I were to return to the stage, it would
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  Speaker 1: have to be something special, like performing at the Grammys,
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  Speaker 1: a getting some type of lifetime achievement award. Once more
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  Speaker 1: special than twenty five years. Right, Not too many people
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  Speaker 1: get to celebrate twenty five years. So I wrote down
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  Speaker 1: back in March year ago. Actually actually gonna be two
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  Speaker 1: days since I lost my seat, March twelfth, March tenth. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a year. But I wrote down. I
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  Speaker 1: wrote down doctor Dre, Timberland Swiss beats for I had
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  Speaker 1: just blaze DJ Khaled, you got you got it?
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, that's man, that's that's also a hard thing
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  Speaker 3: to do.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, listen, I'm so, I'm so blessed. Yeah, I'm so blessed.
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  Speaker 1: But but so I got in with with nine of
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  Speaker 1: the people closing up with it. I need to see Alchemists.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta get with Alchemists, no Id and Mustard and
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  Speaker 3: and I'm done, you right, the gotta happen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm done. Yeah, so uh, but but going to see Dre,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I never met Dre, but I just said, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting on the plane. You know my god, Manny
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  Speaker 1: I told you he's out here. Yeah, Hollywood, exec stay
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  Speaker 1: at the crib. He got the studio in the in
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  Speaker 1: the house, and I'm like, yo, I gotta give Big Boy.
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  Speaker 1: That's my guy. You know. I went on on his
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  Speaker 1: show and he was like, Yo, let's go to Snoop party.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we met Smitty. So everything came together. Big
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  Speaker 1: was hitting Dre like, Yo, Sean wanted to see you.
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  Speaker 1: I never met him, but I had him number one
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  Speaker 1: on my list for the Shane album and we met
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  Speaker 1: first on some leader Leader the leader that was the
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  Speaker 1: energy because you know, he's doing incredible things and Compton
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  Speaker 1: and you know, building two hundred million dollar educational compounds,
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  Speaker 1: and so he saw what I was doing and belize
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  Speaker 1: and as a leader, he respected that and appreciated that.
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  Speaker 1: Once we talked, he was like, let's go downstairs and
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  Speaker 1: I could do I could listen. I picked because I
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  Speaker 1: like to do ten song albums already, I picked by
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  Speaker 1: ten joints with him. But you know, with him, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a process for sure. So I got
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  Speaker 1: the few joints that's gonna go this way, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, if we finish an entire project together. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: while you're just but just just sitting in the studio
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  Speaker 1: listening to dre beats, coming up with rhythms and melodies
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  Speaker 1: and you know, set offs and just knowing that you're
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  Speaker 1: recording something for dre to hear. Really, you know Boostman
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  Speaker 1: and Smitty. You know, Smitty's like the barber shop. He
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell you, he gonna tell you if it ain't hitting,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: he gonna tell you right if you know, you need
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  Speaker 1: to tighten it up before you even get to the doctor.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, you know, then making my rounds,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: going to Rez, you know, going to Timbo Swiss. It
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  Speaker 1: really is a dream come true.
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel like because obviously you get elected in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty, right, and you know, I'm not sure how
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  Speaker 3: active you've been in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: Did it? Does it take a while? Meaning like, oh man, listen, listen.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta remember when I was in the House of Representatives,
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  Speaker 1: I was spitting bars. You listen to my speeches. I'm
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  Speaker 1: speaking on behalf of the people. When you put speeches together,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta have an intro, you gotta have a build up.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta know there's an art to speech, and then
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: you got to have a close right, and then you
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: got to deliver that. You can't just write the speech
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you have to you have to deliver that. And so yeah,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you can hear the baritone, you you can feel the
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: energy and uh yeah, just pass me the ball game
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: on the line.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Talk to me, man, because uh, you have to have
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: seen like there's the you always see so many I
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: mean there's been so many TV shows and move we
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: see the dark side of politics kind of brought to
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: life so much.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: For you.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Man. Was there a situation where you're going through throwing
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: your hat into the political ring where you realize, like, oh,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: this is a dirty game because the politic game is
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: it's it might be more grammer than the rap game.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely neck and neck.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: It's very cutthroat.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's worse than the music industry because
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: at least with the music industry there were certain unwritten rules,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: right and you know, nineteen year old shining, twenty year
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: old shine back in that time. I don't know what
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: these young kids are doing. I don't encourage them to
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: do anything that is not law abiden, because it's not
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: worth it. I lost ten years in my life. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: was defending myself and you know, took the fall. However,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: at least there are these rules where you know that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: if you violate somebody, it's gonna end bad. In politics,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: it's not the same rules at least, and belize because
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: they the way that they're moving, it's like they'll force you.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: They'll force you to the limit. They'll force you to
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: jump out the window, no parachute, and just risk it
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: all because of the unethical, despicable, you know, behavior of
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: some of my political colleagues. Right, But I had to
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: make a choice and say, you know what, I'm not
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: going to do that to my democracy. We've had a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: peaceful democracy thus far, despite the behavior of some of
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: my colleagues, and I'm not going to be the one
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to turn Beliez's democracy upside down. I took my lick.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I learned. I know how to move smarter and sharper
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and more efficient the next time around when elections are
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: called in a couple of years, And thank god, I
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: could go forward living my dream. Not too many people
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: could come to La and go to Dre's house, right,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: not not too many people. I'm gonna go left right now,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: my boy pooh Bed, I'm gonna go left right his birthday, birthday,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: all right, No, No, I mean listen, my brother went
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: one of the best, right, just justin Bieber, one of
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the greatest. Go so you know, because you know, I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: need to talk to my lady friends, I need to
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: talk to the women everything Mane and shine exactly right.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: So so so you know I'm gonna go see him
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: in a little bit.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: So when you see him, he'll tell you. He'll hit
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: you with the happy birthday all right. Yeah, he tells
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: everyone happy birthday because he's like, hey, we.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Were supposed to get together in Miami, but he got
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: stuck in Paris. Great, I told him I was out here,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: so yeah, man, like, like that is a that is
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a blessing. I'm so fortunate and uh and yeah. So
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I made the right choice by taking that ll politically,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: not resorting to anything other because I'm in the courts
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: right now trying to get my damages back because they
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: defrauded me. So I lost millions of dollars belize and belieze. Yeah.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: But but but I went to the courts. You know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I got the lawyer I got. I gotta pay homage
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to my lawyer. He's the principal of the Norman Manly
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Law School in Jamaica. He took my case and he
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: fought for me. We were victorious, and so now it's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: about getting damages because I lost millions of dollars. Well,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the the the people that try to overthrow me. What
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: they did is they created their own bootleg cave show.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And so they had somebody put on the Indian hat,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: set the whole thing up and say, you know, well
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: we we the real bootleg cave. And so while we
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: had him in court, the judge didn't put a restraining
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: order on them and tell him, listen, you can't keep
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: saying that your bootleg calve right. But what he did
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: is he kicked them out of the building, told him that,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you know, they can't be in the building. It was
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: just that was fraud. That was fraud. That was by
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: them saying that, by her saying that she was the leader,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: because you were the leader of the opposition, leader of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the opposition. But then we had another person saying that
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: she was the leader of the party and putting forward
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: candidates in the general election. So we had a duplicate slate.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: We're splitting the vote, splitting the vote. Listen. In my mind,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they were probably being funded.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: By the other side.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Ah, you're a brilliant jennerer.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Because if you could split one side of the vote,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: then you're gonna win every time, exactly.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And so what happened is I got nine hundred and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: odd votes in two thousand and twenty. We got the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: same amount of votes in twenty twenty five. But the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: person that duplicated that defrauded the people, he got the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: majority of the nine hundred, exactly nine hundred what we
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: got in twenty twenty because people never voted any other
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: color but red in that constituency. Right. So yeah, but
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: like I said, so is worse than anything I've ever
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: been in. But the the reward as far as changing
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: people's lives, as far as when I made my first
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: two albums, I was a youth crying out to the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: system to save me, to help me, to give me
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: an alternative. To be in a position of creating systems,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: creating societies, creating economies, Yeah, creating opportunities for young shine
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: boy or girl. There's nothing more rewarding than that. And
• 24:28
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  Speaker 3: I always wonder you've been through so much. If you
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  Speaker 3: could go back and give eighteen nineteen year old Shane
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: any any advice outside of maybe avoiding a certain night,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: What advice would you give the guy who, uh you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: who was who was rough around the edges, who came from.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: The So a little bit more humility, do more? Say less? Yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit more humility. Humility goes a long way.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: It's it's really hard to lose ten years of your
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: life and get on the other side of that and
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: and find like silver lining in that. But I imagine
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: you kind of have to to keep going right, like
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: you get on the other side of that, Like is
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: there is there silver lining? Obviously you were able to
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: help your people, You're still relevant, you're still here. But
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: you know, I can only imagine like the mental toll
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: sitting there being you know what is the silver lining?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I got I gotta tell you. I got to tell
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: you that I come from a country of resilience. Belieze
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: is a resilient country. From the moment we you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: beat back the Spaniards when Spain was trying to settle
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: in Belize, from the moment you know, a gentleman by
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the name of George Price, who was the first Prime
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Minister of Belize, first premiere. Uh you know my political
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: hero a law with Michael Manley from Jamaica. You know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: he fought to get independence bloodless, not not. You know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: no one died. We're resilient people. So I'm embedded with
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the resilience that is inherent just in the Belizian spirit.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: But going from Belize where my mother was a single mother, impoverished,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: we didn't even have a toilet system, going from that
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to joining her h once she you know, got her
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: citizenship and she regularized herself here. She brought me here
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to the States, and still we were poor. But you know,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: American poverty is different than a day a developing nations poverty.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: But we were still poor, still single pair. But going
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: from a developing nation to the United States where you're
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: one in a couple hundred million, being an immigrant child
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and being able to accomplish what I accomplished by the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: time I was twenty years old, when no help. Father
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't around, mother was struggling to pay the bills, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: living with Grandma, living with aunts, living with everybody cousins
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: in one, you know, small house, and to go from
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that to putting out a platinum album to putting out
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a classic album, to putting out a second classic album.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: But let's before we even get to the second classic,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: which you you like, Godfather Buried Alive orderan to Shine album,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and that says a lot. Yeah, that says a lot.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: But just before we get to Godfather Buried Alive. When
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: my first night in incarcerated after I was convicted was
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: in Manhattan and the tombs, I got on my knees
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and I prayed because I always prayed. I got shot
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: when I was sixteen, and ever since then, I never
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: missed a dead prayer because I was praying to stay alive.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I wasn't even praying to be successful, or praying for
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: a new car or praying for anything. I was just praying, God,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: don't let me die, and I don't. I'm not a
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: disloyer person, so not because I didn't get the outcome
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: that I wanted a trial, all of a sudden, I'm
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: not gonna believe in God anymore. When I just put
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: out a classic album right that went platinum, you know, right.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: MTV directect everything right.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And I was I was hitting. So I got on
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: my knees and I said, you know, God, it's not
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the outcome I wanted. You know, they did me dirty.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: You know, I was just defending myself. But check this out.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I'm extremely grateful for all that you've done for me.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: You let my dreams come true. And that's that's one
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: thing I had asked for. I pray to God that
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: at least because I knew I had an unlicensed weapon.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I know that's illegal. There's nowhere around that. I admitted that,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: but I was defending myself, so I didn't expect that
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the jury would convict me of anything other than the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: weapons charge. But I said to the creator, to the
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: most side, the architect of the universe, I said, listen,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: my dreams came through. At least my mom. No matter what,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: no one can take away her child from Carrosso Street, Mesopotamia,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Belize south Side. He did what no other belizing had
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: done at the time, for sure, and still hasn't done.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: No other Bleasing has accomplished the commercial success that I've accomplished.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Respector Andy Pelasio or Lord Raven, you know, Paul the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Boar and a lot of other great musicians. Super g
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: stick the artists. I got to do that. I got
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to live my dream. There's so many talented kids right now,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you know, whether in Compton and Crenshaw, whever, wherever in
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: California in the Bay that are dreaming about being Kendrick,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: dreaming about being the Game, dreaming about being Tupac, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that might never happen. Right, So my dreams came true.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, God, thank you. All
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I ask is that I don't die in here, or
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I don't end up killing somebody in here, and just
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: let me get up out of here, right, let me
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: endure every day in here, and let me let me
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: make it out of here. And he did it better. Yeah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: he made me a mythical creature. And you know what,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I just looked a number one. You were on four
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: double Xcel covers four of them, not three. It was four. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: yeah right. So not only did he allow me to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: endure the worst thing that any human being could ever
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: go through. I would not never wish that on anybody.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I can my word enemy. So he didn't just allow
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: me to endoor. He allow me to thrive. Right, the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: multimillion dollar deal with death jam everybody calling Drake calling
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Hole calling, you know Jamaine, I got it, I got it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I forgot Jamaine on my list. I'm would He's definitely
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: on my list. But when Jamaine and Mark Pitts respect
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the man because he's a president over at r C
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: A Sony. When they called me to get on the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Usher record, respect the Usher, imagine I was. I wrote
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: that song is because music is everything to me throughout
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: my journey. So literally we have a keyboard and a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: cassette tape, and so every new album that comes out,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Mama love my mom. She sends the tapes.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So I just got the Usher album and when I
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: heard Confessions, I kept playing the song over and over
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: and over and over again the remix, like who can
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: script that? I'm no cat? Listen, no cat. Next thing,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I checked my phone messages and Jermaine and
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Mark Pitts on my phone saying, listen, I should want
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: to talk to you. Got this record he wants you
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to do and you don't want a verse that you
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: already have. He wants you to wrap it over the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: phone and you're on that with twisting Kanye Kanye West,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: who produced more or Less with Foxy Brown, No no, yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Foxy Brown chorus chorus. So imagine, like I was just
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: talking to Hit and he was talking about the record
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I did with Corrupt, the.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Behind Them, the East Coast remix.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Right, So I'm just saying, brother, I'm so blessed, so fortunate.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: You know, we got it Grammy for the Confession because
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: the Confession's remix was on the album. There was a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: version of just like my book, they want to grab
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: me for my breathings for Alicia. Yeah. Right, So I'm
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: just saying, I'm extremely fortunate, man. So I have so
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: many silver linings and so throughout that to be a megastar,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to be a mythical creature, to put out another number
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: one album, to put out a classic album, uh, and
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: to just all throughout my incarceration, I was at the height.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Even when the documentary came out, A young game is
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: rapping about Sean Uh dip set the game was name
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: dropping you a lot, dipset rapping about Sean.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not rapping about Shane.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Well. And there's also like an alternative timeline where obviously
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: you're a free man. So that goes without saying. But yeah,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: you know, bad Boy didn't have the greatest track record
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: of putting out artists consistently or doing right by them
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: while they were You know, there's a chance that first album.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Comes out and.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: You know you end up like, you know, no disrespect
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: to like a Mark Curry or somebody, but somebody who's
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: like frustrated with yourself.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: But that's why I'm telling you it was a dream
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: come true because I came out and I had I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: had hits that the Bonnie and Sean was a hit,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: The Bad Boys Class was a massive hit. Then I
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: was on, I was on I was on a bunch
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: of other hits. I was on the Phone Tap I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Can't Believe with Faith and Carl Thomas. That was a
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: hit that got nominated for a Grammy. YO, when you
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: were I gotta ask you because I was on Keisha Coles,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I broke her. I was just I was just cursing
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: out Manny asking him how would the remix not be
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: on the on the on the album? That's crazy because
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the remix is what everyone was playing, and that's what
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: really broke her. She came with Fat Joe, respect the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Fat Joe. They came to Rikers Allen and performed that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: for the inmates that was. I changed my mind, right,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: changed my mind. I'm trying to figure out Kanye West
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: on the track Joints. Yeah, came to visit. Believe a
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: big respect to j Prince Godfather Rap own a few
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: islands out there and believe yes, wow, So definitely I'm
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: trying to get doctor draded by a few islands as well.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, what was the process of getting your verses
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: off in jail? Was it just over the phone?
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: No? No, no, that's the only one I did over
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the phone? Was usher washer?
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: What you didn't do the corrupt one over the phone?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Nah? That was already I went to record that, Okay, okay,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I recorded that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Was yeah, because that was around the time of the os.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: That was that was on the So what I did
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: is I took it because it's like what I'm doing
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: right now. Uh, I have a very eclectic palette for music,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and so while I'm creating straight hip hop classic, I
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: still I want to have the different bops, right. I
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: don't want to just have you know, New York, but up,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I need to get that West West. The Keisha record
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: was recorded in jail or no, no, no, no, that
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: was that was something that was the first that I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: had already recorded, but I just didn't release you.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Got You You Got You Got, So like when you
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: do the Usher remix though, right, is it?
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Is it? Like what it is?
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Sitting in myself, I'm saying, like, is it You got
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: to set up a time where they accept the call
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: and the engineers recording it and then now you know.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you know you might dine the yard.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: So I had guys, I have point person paying attention
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: to make sure nobody don't. It's crazy.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: There was this rapper from Sacramento name X Rated Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and this dude he went platinum in the nineties off
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  Speaker 3: of prison Albums where he recorded all his ship over
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• 37:52
  Speaker 3: and he was like, you know, we would just take
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• 37:56
  Speaker 1: When we shot the video and Clinton donnamoor for with
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: me and Ashanti respect that shanty the Jimmy Jimmy the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Choo record.
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  Speaker 3: Damn, that's crazy man.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: We pretended like we were doing an interview. Yeah, and
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I just do it that they sent me. They sent
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: me to Adam and Sag for that that I definitely
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: for me. They took away my phone. Yeah, and they
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: put me in isolation for have you ever like, did
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you ever do the twenty three hour lockdown? Yeah? In
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the hole. Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: They say that can mentally break you.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, outside of that, you get mentally broken
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: being there. Uh yeah. So that's kind of the reason
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: when I got out, I lost my voice and I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: didn't have I didn't have the motion, I didn't have
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the energy. Yeah. It's reminiscent of someone who is shot
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: several times and it is bleeding out and they're trying
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: to get themselves to safety. So they'll run. They'll run
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: until they get this safety. Then they'll pass out. They
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: don't even don't have time to look at the wounds
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: until they get to a place of safety. And I
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: believe for all those years, with the number one albums,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: with all the accolades, with the Grammys, with all of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the respect for my pearers, which which matters very much
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to me, of course, I still was That's why I
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: call the Godfather buried alive. I was buried alive. There's
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: no way around that. And so when I came out,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: it's like being resurrected, it's being you know, brought back
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to life, and so I had to. I had to,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: you know, learn how to walk, learn how to do
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: everything again, learn how to breathe the fresh air. And
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: my guy, my guy hip hopp hop definitely came down there.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: For those you know gen z s might not know.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: It was an R the Great rock Fellow Records and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: all those classic you know Jason your albums. Yeah, gee,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Roberson respect the g as well. They both came and
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: see me in Clinton. But Hop came to see me
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and Belize and built a studio in my house for
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: me so that we could work on the new album.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: You know, but I just wasn't ready. I wasn't ready.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And then a record leaked. I did a record for Kalid,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: respect the Calid as well, because he's always been a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: super Shine fan. Before he was flying the private.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Planes, he used to only take the bus every Yeah,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: so he said.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yo, I take a boat to you. Just please do
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: this record for me. But that record leaked and my
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: voice sounded terrible because I just I wasn't ready.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like your your your you found your
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: voice again?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Oh a trillion? But could you could he here? You
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: could hear and you know you could have heard it,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: when I did the Lifetime Achievement performance in LA and
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  Speaker 1: I always wonder when you're in your situation you get
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: this deaf jam deal the album comes out.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: But again, even when we talked about the album a
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: little bit before we started recording, you could you could
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: tell it ain't your baby, like Shine is your baby
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: because Shine you were there.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you could never have another Shine man.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: But I love But I'm curious, like I'm assuming there
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: was a lot of like, hey, there's a lot of
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: stuff that I recorded before I left.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know I recorded that album. So
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: that album was be my second album. So that album
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: was in the can prior to you sitting down, Okay,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was like I had already
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: gotten with with Blaze, I had already gotten Yeah, I was.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I was just collecting beats because I knew I was
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: going to sit down. I just didn't I didn't expect
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: that I would have been sitting down just in case,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: just in case we don't have another at I had
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: no matter what, you're gonna go sit down in New York. Yeah,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: licensed weapons.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: So I knew that makes sense. Man, I'm curious, while
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: you're incarcerated you find Orthodox Judaism.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I had already been I was born. It's interesting, you know,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: being today. Some people say that it's ethnic, but it
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: really isn't. It's a religion religion depending on who you
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: talk to exactly. But I take the position that it's
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it's a religion. Anyone can be a Jew if you believe,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: and obviously depends on what kind of Jew. They're Orthodox Jews,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Ultra Orthodox Jews, Reform Jews, Conservative Jews. Uh So, it
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: just depends on what you want to be. And I
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: believe the relationship with God is a very personal one.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: For sure. It doesn't have to involve religion, But religion
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: can give you a structure in a guideline, whether it
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: be Islam, to be Catholicism, whether it because you're a
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: moral a moral compass to kind of follow a skeleton
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: if you whatever, whatever the road map is to where
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you're trying to go. But I'd always been into mono Theism,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and it could be maybe based on my heritage, which
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: is from you know, Jews from Portugal. Uh, they went,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: you know, my my great grandparents, the Lindos and the Barrows.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Barrows meant Bark and Lindo is Levy, you know. So
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: that's why I took on the name Levi. But yeah,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and I believe there's some Ethiopian roots there too, but
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the Portuguese roots is official. The Lindos and the Barooks
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: they went to Jamaica, the Baroks, the Barrows ended up
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: in Barbados, and so yeah, so I guess there's something
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: genetic there. But mono Theism was always my thing. As
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I said when I got shot when I was sixteen
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: years old. I would always pray, but I wasn't praying
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to intermediary. I didn't feel comfortable praying to Muhammad or
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: praying to Jesus, or praying to Buddha or any any
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: entity other than the creative of the universe. And that's
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: why I chose the name Moses, because Moses was one
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: of the most powerful men on earth before he decided
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: to go on this path of you know, leading out
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the Israelites and liberating them and creating you know this
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: religious structure coming from Abraham and other mono theists, but
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: so I'm really a mono theist and Judaism is the structure,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: is my infrastructure of how you know, I practice, and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: how I practiced to a point where I got to
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: a level of enlightenment. So it's like, you know, I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: could drive on the Shabbat. You know, I don't necessarily
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: have to eat strictly at a kosher restaurant, but I
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: don't eat non kosher food, meaning you know, I eat
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: fish and chicken. But if I eat you know, a
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: burger has to be a kosher burger kh if it's beef.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: But that's just my science. It doesn't you don't have
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: to do that, and you can still be a great person,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Which takes me to what I said about enlightenment. So
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: enlightenment means my religion is love, compassion, kindness, honesty, integrity, tolerance,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: practices of such values and character traits. That is what
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I swear by. That is my Torah, that is my Kodan,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: that is my Bible, that is my religion. Yeah, because
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I think when you first got out, it felt like
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: you were like like I was, like I was, I
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: was UTU orthodox. But I look at it as as
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: when you go to U c l A. Right, Yeah,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: you could get your PhD in music, of course, but
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: it don't mean that you're gonna win Grammys, and it
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: don't mean that you're gonna put our classic albums what
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: you would train you were initiated, right, So I feel
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: like what I went through with their religious journey was
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: an initiation as far as going through all the degrees.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: And now I'm at a place of enlightenment where I
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: bring people together. So I'm a I'm a humanitarian human being.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not a Jew first, I'm a I'm a belizing
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: first of anything. But I'm a I'm a human being
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and Judaism is my foundation that led me to get
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: to a level of enlightenment. But I'm here to bring
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: people together and I'm here to to create a new,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: a new era of enlightenment where people aren't, you know,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: allowing religion to separate them. But let's agree to have
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: been people. Let's agree to have integrity, and let's agree
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: to be tolerant, Let's agree to be kind, let's agree
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: to be compassionate. Like yeah, that's it almost like it's
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: almost like this the way I mean, but I pray.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I pray, yeah, to the creator of the universe, to
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the architect of the universe.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: But I was gonna say, if you think about this,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: like it's almost like if you I don't do it
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: on my someone says, hey, I'm a Christian. I believe
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: in God, I believe in Jesus, but I don't necessarily subscribe.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: To you know what some of the more.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Hard line you know, super preacher ship, you know what
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like there's a difference between like excuse me.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think we've seen specifically with you know,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: the last few years, like and what's been going on
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: with Israel and Palestine and all that, Like there's been this.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: They're the same, they're the same blood, they're the same.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: If you want to talk about a race, they're there.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: They're the same race. This idea of Europeans come to colonize,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: it's just not true. I don't want to get into
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: the politics, right, they're the same race that theyre come from,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the same Llawance right, Israel and Ishmael, Right, they're the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: same there, Isaac's son, right, It's the same people. And
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: that's why I Sayligion and I think that is the
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: thing that you know, we've heard this all of this.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: You could like people being critical of a country and
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: a country's actions. It is not the same as someone
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: being critical of a religion, a religion and the people
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: because because everyone is not like I don't get into
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: external politics here and anywhere else, but not because I
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: lived in Jerusalem and your day value system and studies
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: is what has allowed me to get to my level
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: of enlightenment. Means that I support the current government or
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: any other actions or any other government that that so
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: so one has nothing to do with the other. Doesn't
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: mean that I praying for the humanitarian crisis to have
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: come to an end and praying for the war to end,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: and and praying that there is an Arab state that
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: lives in peace with a Jewish state doesn't mean I
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: support Hamas or I support you know, any terrorist right.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I support right wing people in Israel who
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: may consider yeah, I don't. So I don't support extremism
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. That's what the religion thing.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: So to me, religion may lead you to a Pandora's
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: box of extremism, and I believe in light meant is balanced.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you were ever at a point
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: where you were teetering on the extreme side with the Judas,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: never to the point of not recognizing other human beings
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and their right to self determination. I saw somewhere you
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: like when you're performing, because because there's super the super religious,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: there's some super religious Jews that don't agree they're not
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: There's there's extreme Orthodox Jews are not Zionists exactly. So
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: so Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism, with should
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: they values per se? Right, It's it's compl I.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Was wondering because like I'm I'm I'm like, I'm a
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: pretty political guy in terms of just being as students
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: as as stude as possible. Yeah, there was a point
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: in time where you shouted out Jonathan Pollard on stage.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah he was he was kidded by Jonathan Pollard was
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: the guy who was a spy.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I thought you was talking about a lot. I know
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: here're talking about he was kidnapped Jonathan Vibra who got
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: arrested and then Obama didn't let him out, or maybe
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Obama did let him out. Yeah, and then I know
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: who you're talking about. BB greeted him on the on
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: the tarmac, and so I just I just yeah, I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: just think like we've gotten to this place where everyone
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: is so extreme and like this specific sometimes like I
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: think you you nailed it, man, Like it would be
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: amazing if two people could have their own nations and
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: live next to each other.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: And and we look at things as like, hey, look.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: At look at my god Kaled. You know, I know
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: his heartbreaking. I know his heartbreaking.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I wish he'd speak up about it, to be honest,
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: but you know that's not you know.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking. And everyone everyone makes their contribution.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: For sure, and we might not know what he's how
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: he's contributing. We might not to be fair. He is
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: a Palestinian though, so exactly right.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: But I know I was when when when October seventh
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: first happened and all the bamba started and you know,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: all the bloodshed on both sides. I went to see
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: him because you know, that's my guy, and I wanted
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: to check on him, and I know it was tough,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: and yeah, so our relationship is the epitome of what
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: the world should be. Right, Like, we're not you know,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not here condemning Arabic people, Palestinian people, I'm not
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: here condemning any people. I'm not here are taking the
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: side of extremists on any part of the planet. Right,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I'm here saying that the United Nations they had partitioned
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: what was Palestine, and Palestine contained both Arabs and Jews,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Christians and all types of people. So, you know, I
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: don't want to get into the politics of it, because
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you go back to thousands of years, you know, it
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: can get You got King David, you got King solid
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: It's a lot, It is a lot, and it's I think.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: But all I'm saying is, let's deal with where we're
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: at now. Where we're at now is the United States said,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: this is the state of Palestine, this is the state
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: of Israel's for the sake of for the sake of peace,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: we need to abide by that. But but but again,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: it has to go both ways. We can't have we
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: can't have either state to destroy the other state both states.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: So that's my dream and that's my prayer, because there
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: are people from both sides that don't want the other
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: side to exist. And that's what we gotta We gotta stop.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent talk to me. You gotta kind of
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: you know, last year earlier.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Just not forget May second Kingstad to Brooklyn, New York,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: first show back. Are you nervous? I look nervous, well,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: because you didn't. You didn't really get to tour like that. No, no,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I told you it was ninety days. But no, no, no,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I'm what you gotta understand.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Is because this this is gonna be the first time
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: you've performed a lot of your songs, I'm assuming.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I'm only doing a shine album. And I got some surprises,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: cause I got some guests coming out, some people that
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I did records with. But no, for me, I it's
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: just like the the the the BT Awards, right, I
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: felt the gravity. That was one of the most difficult
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: things I ever did MM period, not just as far
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: as artists, as far as anything. Cause when you go
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: when I go in the House of Representatives, I'm representing
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: my constituency, and when I was leader of the opposition,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I'm representing the country because everyone didn't vote for the government.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: So every time the House of Representatives was set, I
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: would feel I I would feel the weight of the moment.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: But then I prepare, I make sure my speeches, uh,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: and then you know I have an ability where I
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: have a speech, but no matter how much it's written out,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I deviate and I know how to get you know
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: how to get back into it. Yeah, But but I
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: go there and I go there with a purpose. So
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: when you ask me and I don't, I had to
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: let my humility come back. It's not that I'm like,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: do I look nervous. It's like, after all that I've
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: been through.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: It's like once you're a politician and.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: You speak to a nation of Yeah, but not just
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the politician, but after all that I've been through as
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: a human.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: For sure, it's like prepared for a concert.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: This is the moment, but listen, this is These are
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: the moments that we live for. And then this is
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: a celebration. I'm going there to celebrate with the people
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: like you and others who love Shine's marryingson Levy coming out.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: We gotta wait and see. He's on two of your
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: biggest records. We gotta wait and see. I'm not I'm
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: not making any promises because you got to get the
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Orange Man to give him that green light. Flights, get
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: flights get you know, he's in Jamaica. He's in Jamaica.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not making any promises. I did that once in
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: my life and it didn't end right. So can you
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: get buried to leave to come out? So people need,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: people need to know that Shine is going to be there.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not making any promises other than Shine is going
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: to be there. But just as I said, for me,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: obviously I'm preparing, I'm rehearsing. You know, I'm gonna actually
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: because I go, I'm based in believes and I go
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: back and forth. But I'm going to spend you know,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: like a month leading up to the concert there just
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: preparing and making sure that this moment is excellence, This
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: moment is perfection because this is a moment of celebration,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: This is a moment of triumph, this is a moment
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: of reconciliation. Yeah, so this has to be a great moment.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: It's not for me. Commission live would be crazy, it's not.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: But listen, this is not a moment for me. So
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, I'm not nervous for me. I
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: can't be nervus. I can't. There's so many people waiting
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: to celebrate this moment for me, and I'm an instrument,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: right and and that's how I approach I approached these things.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: The Diddy documentary coming out the world kind of has
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: to relive this terrible situation because it's a big chunk
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: of one of the episodes. What was it like for
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: you to kind of just go through like a lot
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: of people learning about your situation for the first time
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: through that document I wasn't.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I wasn't a part of that documentary they used, but
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: they spoke yeah, I didn't. I didn't see it for
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: that reason. I don't need to relive the trauma. Big
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: respect to Fifty and Alex the young Lady who.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: It was a well done directed documentary, I didn't see.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't see it. I'm saying the reason I didn't
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: see it is because I did not have the bandwidth
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: to relive that trauma. I put out my documentary which
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: is on Honor Bushin, which is on Hulu, So so
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: even going to that space for that documentary was a lot.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: So revisiting that space again, I didn't need to do
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: it by even being a consumer of the content. So
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't even want to watch it. Not because I
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: had anything against Fifty or anything against Alex. In fact,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I applaud them. I've applauded them publicly for being a
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: voice for the victims and the people that felt they
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: were wrong, regardless of whatever the verdict was in the case,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: and giving those people a voice. And I know that
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: they spoke highly of me in the documentary, and I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: have no reason to believe that the documentary was presenting
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: anything but the truthful.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Did they reach out for you to do anything?
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: They did? Alex said she did. But so many people
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: reach out to me and I don't. I'm not interested.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like even right now, I'm interested about
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: May Second Kings Theater, Brooklyn, New York putting forward a
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: spectacular performance. I'm gonna do the entire country definitely. La Yeah.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: And so for me, I wish Cassie well, I even
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: wish Diddy well.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like you've made peace and forgave him?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Forgiving is something that I did a long time ago. Unfortunately,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: when the little Rod accusations came back, as far as
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: him bragging that you know, he shot up the club,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: that did he told them he shot up the club,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: and that Sean took the fall. That opened some old wounds,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: and then hearing all these things. But I can't live
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: in that space. I refuse to live in that space.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I moved on, I continue to move and I'm so blessed.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I have so many great things to talk about. These
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: three new albums. The Honorable is the first album coming out,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Rap Prime Minister, second album coming out, Actual Intelligence, the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: final album of the trilogy, Independently. Are you doing this? No,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: we we we We're gonna decide what major, What major
• 1:01:08
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• 1:01:13
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• 1:01:15
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• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: The scope, you never go wrong with Interscope.
• 1:01:22
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• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: be three albums, but I'm saying that first one, man,
• 1:01:39
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• 1:01:40
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• 1:01:42
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• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: like Shine. And so that's the mentality I'm going into
• 1:01:48
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  Speaker 1: the new hip hop that's that's happening right now? There's
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  Speaker 1: so much man like hip boys is you know? He
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  Speaker 1: inspires me. I just listen to that Blizzard album hm,
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  Speaker 1: because you know I want that bop. I want that
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  Speaker 1: West Coast bop and you got it. He got it right.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy. I mean like I mean the clips, the
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  Speaker 1: clips inspire me. That album so good. Yeah. Kendrick Kendrick
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  Speaker 1: inspires me. She am not pronouncing it.
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  Speaker 3: She's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Did I pronounce it but her name? Because I want
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  Speaker 3: The thing about the.
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  Speaker 1: bars from.
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  Speaker 2: He just you know what?
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  Speaker 1: And he putting seven albums with hip boy. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: twenty from twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty was the first street first one to now incredible. Yeah,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: it's crazy too because even Nas is like a businessman
• 1:04:30
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• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: seven crazy He did the ghost Face album that day.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Saw I mean, yeah, I can, I can just imagine, dude,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I listened, I have an eclectic taste. Whiz Kid aspires me.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: You know, burna boy and I got DJ Tombs. Who's
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: with whiz Kid? I listened to a lot of dance
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: souls so so Russian. Uh, you know, he produces Sancia.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Of course, I was gonna tell.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Carl Teller's having an incredible run, but he never stopped
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: having a run. If you asked me, he was bigger
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: incarcerated yeah, uh than he was or just as and
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: continues to be, you know, just legendary iconic figure.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in Uh, I went in the grill
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: and around that. While I was in the grill, I
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: didn't know, but he had he had a stadium show
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: in Kingston and it was stadium crazy.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, you know Brett fires, Yeah, incredible, you know,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: because like I said, I'm not making music just just uh,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: just for the you know, just for the guys. I
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: gotta make music for the women.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Like the late Don Tolliver, Don Taliver's crazy. That new
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: album The Octane is crazy, Bryson Tiller, Tiller's dope, It's dope.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: If you if if if if you could get a
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: guest verse from anybody right now, a verse, who would you?
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  Speaker 3: If you could just make a call and it's it's done.
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  Speaker 3: Who you? Who you calling? Oh?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: That dre versus what I wanted. But we got that,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: We got that figured out. So after dre Man, it's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: a time between Jay and nos. I mean, he an't
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: go wrong with either of those.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then and then Kendrick did. Yeah, Kendrick, I say, like, Kendrick,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I just had an argument with my friend because I
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, a lot of people put Biggie
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: in their top five off of two albums, which is fine,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, when I say Kendricks in the top five,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: big tough.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: When I say Kendricks in the top five, some people
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: say I'm crazy, and I'm like, Yo, this guy's discography
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: is he's five albums deep, now six albums deep.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: You could he missed.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: He's definitely top five and won the biggest rap battle ever. Yeah,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: he's definitely tough worthy.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like he's in that discussion and.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm not taking those sides, so, uh, I gotta throw.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: You'll take the Drake verse?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: No, but I'm gonna show you I'm not taking those sides.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: And maybe and it's not the politician in me. I
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: just feel as an elder statesman, I'm not supposed to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: take any sides off anything. I'm supposed to bring people together, right,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm not here to take any sides. But yeah,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: definitely I would. I would round out. So my top
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: five rounding out, so we ad dre uh Jay, Jay
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: And and this is the top five people you want
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: a verse from Jay AND's top five, Kendrick four, and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: then Push and Drake round out the five. Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: The Clips album I think showed everybody like, hey, like, but.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: You know, Push gave me a verse already for an
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: album that I think is an incredible album, and I'm
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: gonna re record that album. That Gangland album It's crazy
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: if you listen to the beats was twenty sixteen, right, nah,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I think like maybe twenty twelve. Okay, I think okay,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Well my voice wasn't there. Yeah, it was terrible, It
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: was terrible, But that's a great album. I gotta re
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: record that when I'm finished with these three albums, I'm
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: gonna re record that. So some big respect to Push
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: always always supported me. What is because I feel like
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Belize doesn't get talked about enough, and you're you are
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: such a big, you know, spokesman for your country.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Like it looks like such a beautiful place, looks like paradise.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Is paradise, Absolutely paradise. But listen, definitely Cardi Dough she.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: Don't She's the best performer in music. I just saw
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: her live and.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I just rep fiz. Yeah yeah, you know done. I
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: feel like I mean, I feel like so so I'm
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: just saying we was talking about my top five.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: And don't you give you one of them joints?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: But you know you got the you know right, Cardi definitely,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: you know Cardi got the motion. Big respect to her guys, Darryl.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: And and yeah, yeah, shout out to her and her people. Man,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: all right, so we know when the show is going
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: to be second.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Kingstad Brooklyn, New York. But you were asking me about Belize. Yes,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Belize is paradise. Uh so the most beautiful I'm taking
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: the wife there, got to take him the most beautiful,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: you know, nation in the world. Most beautiful beaches, uh
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: clear waters, beautiful people, great food, rich culture. You have
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: the Maya temples there, you have the girlfriend of people there,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: you have the Creole people there, you have the Mestizos
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: people there. You know, you got Indian Asians, you got
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: the Mennonites. It's it's just such a rainbow of culture
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: and people bounded together just with one as I said, resilience,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: one determination. Yeah. No, it's not like Belieze. Yeah, it's
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: crazy because I don't think people understand like you guys
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: border so much.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: It's like watch Yah Mexico.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're an Alaska flight away direct from from
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Lax straight flight. We are a direct flight from Miami
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: hour and a half so to Lax is four and
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: a half hours, Miami hour and a half direct flight,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Houston two and a half hours, Atlanta two hours. Jet
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Blue used to do direct flights. Newark does a direct
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: flight from New York four hours.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: It's not far from Kancun.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Huh nah, it's right here right there. Yeah, it's like
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: that's like a traffic era. That's a belize. I think
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: their flight is maybe like two hours.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're in like, you know, I can only
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: assume once you see the world through a politician's glasses, right,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: anything that's going on, Like do you just like kind
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: of see what's going on in the US and be like,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm kind of glad.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of glad. I got I have believed this
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: shit's kind of fucked up over here right now. The
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: way we retreating immigrants is the way retreating I mean,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: it is, it is, it is, honestly, Uh, I'm not sure.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I haven't been alive for a wilder time at least. Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why it's important for people to be involved
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: in the electoral system. And so for me, I don't
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: get involved in external politics, as I mentioned, So I
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: don't take Democrat side, I don't take Republican side, right,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: because I mean, because shit, Obama could have saved you
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: from getting deported. He could have pardoned me. He could
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: have done a lot for me, and he didn't. It's
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: under President Trump that I'm here. But I first came
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: under Biden. I first came under President Biden when I
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: was a diplomat, when I was leader of the opposition.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: But when I lost that status, you know, President Trump,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: you know his administration could have fronted on me. But
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: the long story short is when President Biden was there,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: I met with Republicans because beliefe first. So I'm not
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: here to get involved in American politics. I will sayspect.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: As an immigrant, I pray for immigrants, and I pray
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: for compassion and mercy and the things that I said.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: And if I have an opportunity, if I have the
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: privilege to sit with the President of the United States,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: because I believe in dialogue. Of course, regardless of how
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: vehemently people may disagree. When when the Democrats want something done,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: they go to the Oval office.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: And I Respector Mondani, the Mayor of New York City,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: because when he needs some shit done, he goes in.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: He'll pick up that phone and they'll talk.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: So But as I said, so, my my message is
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: compassion and and and tolerance and mercy because you know,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the nation, the United States was built by immigrants. They
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: add so much. But in all fairness, uh, President of
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: the United States was elected on a mandate that he broadcasted.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: And even even though his opponent h Harris, she said, well,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: I you know, I told you all what was going
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: to happen. I'm not taking any side. I'm just saying,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: in all fairness, with respect to President Trump, this was
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: his mandate. It said he was going to do this,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: and the people voted for him. And in democracies, you
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: have to respect the will of the people. Now, however,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: is it being carried out executed the right way? The
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: execution it's people of America. I don't vote in America.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: So that's why I'm not going to get involved. You
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: guys will have an opportunity to determine whether you know
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: you made a mistake, whether you are satisfied, that's for
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: you to determine. As I said, if I ever have
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: the privilege of meeting with the President, sure I'll share
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: with him one on one things that I think. You know,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: if you could look at this and if you could
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: have a little bit more mercy with this and more
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: compassion with that. But if you really look at it,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: he's executing his mandate and it's just up to people
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: that disagree to to you know, go back to the post.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: And one thing I will say, your democracy is working
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: because you have a separation of powers that is working.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: The Supreme Court. When when people feel agreed, whether they're immigrants,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: whether it's the terrorists, whether it's whatever, they yes, that
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: is democracy working. So so President Trump had his vision
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: and they got to get this warship together because he
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: also ran on no wars. Well again, you know, I
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: like you said that the American Yeah. Yeah, But I
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: definitely don't support dictators. Of course, I was a leader
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: of the opposition. I was allowed to say anything I
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: wanted about the Prime minister, and I was allowed to protest,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: and I was allowed to criticize without getting locked up,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: without getting shot up. So I appreciate democracy. So so
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: when it comes to removing dictators like Maduro and and
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: the Ayahtolas and these people, I shed no tears for them. So,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: you know, that's just my opinion. I believe in democracy.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: The women's school getting bombed.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Right, but they said that that was Iranians. But but
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: and then if you go back, if you go back again,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: they said, the Timahawks are sold to everybody, right, but
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get Well, listen you Australia, look but
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: look at what, look at what, look at what you know,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: look at what could happen in the world. And that's
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: why I said, let's try to bring everybody together.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: I agree, I think we got to try to bring
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: with some of these people.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Some of these people don't believe in tolerance, don't believe
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: in inclusion, don't believe in compassion. They're rigid. And if
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: you're not, if you're not a certain religion, if you're
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: not a certain persuasion orientation, you get killed or you
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: get jailed. So I don't shed any tails for those people.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Do you like you've been there, because I've seen this
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: a lot in the news. They say that certain parts of.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: Israel, in the West Bank where a lot of the
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: settlers are, that they they'll treat Christians like very disrespectfully,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: or or if you're not ethnically Jewish you get treated
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: a little different. Has that been anything you've experienced in here.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I've never I've never seen that I've seen. You know,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: as I explained to you, as Jews look alike sometimes
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: unless you're unless you're religious, unless you're a religious Muslim,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: is the only time that you could really tell the difference.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: And no, like, there's a place that I go to
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: in Hebron in Israel, and Hebron is where the patriarchs
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: are buried, where Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, Rebecca and Asaph
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: they're buried. They say even Adam and Eve are buried there.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: But there's a part where Jews can't go because it's
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: controlled by the Muslims and Jews can only go on
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: certain certain times. And that's a security issue and a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: safety issue. So as I said, it's complicated, but there
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: are places where Jews can't go. And so the issue
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: of the discrimination, uh, you haven't seen that I haven't seen,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: because again, there there's so many different types of Arabs.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Not everyone is a Palestinian. You have different types of
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Arab people to live there, Arab Israelies that are Israeli citizens.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: There are Israeli citizens that are that are that are Palestinians.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Ye, So so yeah, I didn't witness. I didn't witness,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: and I was praying. I was going to the to
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: the to the whaling Wall, to the to the temple.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: And when you go to the temple, I'm walking with
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Arabs who are going to pray. Got it right at
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: the other side of the wall, which Jews. I think
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: now they just allowed Jews to start going where the
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: dome of the Rock is and that's where you know
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Isaac was sacrificed, and that's where you know, the temple,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: stud et cetera. Like I said, I wish that we'd
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: get to a place where people can worship whatever they
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: want to worship, people can be whoever they want to be,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: and then by side. Yeah, that's what I'm praying for.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: You had mentioned earlier you were chopping it up with
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: Mason cam.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got I'm headed out there.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: I'm head gotta go see.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Gotta go see.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Can you talk about your relationship with Mace, because like
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: you said, man, you're on double up. You guys have
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Mace is my guy. This is my guy. You know,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't really. I wouldn't say it didn't
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: start like.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: That because I saw you talk about it on the
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: Breakfast club a little. There was some tension over something.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not really tension. It was just that I came
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I came in the door. You know,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Eric being rock Camp. I came in the door right,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: just stomping the door down. Kobe coming to the Lakers,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: you know. But Shaka is a superstar and listen. I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: had the biggest crush on Brandy, And you know, once
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: the opportunity presented itself for for me to connect with her,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: it was a dream come true. You know, I'll never
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: forget you know, uh, just speaking to her, I jumped
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: like after I got you were dating Brandy. I had
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: the biggest crush. There was an entanglement where everybody had
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: I had the biggest crush on Brandy. Yeah, and uh
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: you know, so were you and Mace talking to Brandy
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: at the same time talking listen. Uh so Mace also,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: you know, also had a crush on brand I also
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: had a you guys, okay, you guys have a crush
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: off the same relationship with with Brandy. But I didn't know.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. I had no idea because it was
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: you know, she's who she is. She was she at
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: that time, man, she was listen. That was the biggest album.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: That's why I said I had a great life. I
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: want you to understand, you know, respect to missus Norm
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: with mister ray J, everybody, entire family. But I was
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: a poor kid. I turned the laundry room into my bedroom.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: That was the first time I ever had kind of
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: a bedroom my entire life in the United States. And
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: the bed, it was like a queen size bed, took
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: up the whole laundry room. I could touch both walls
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: with my hands, right, yeah, And then my head would
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: be on the wall back here with my pillow, and
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: the TV would be right there, and I could change
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: the the TV with my feet right And what was
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: I watching? What was I watching? MTV? Right?
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Hold on, boys, mind not come out until I get signed.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: It comes out in ninety eight. Yeah, So when it
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: comes out I signed, you know, I'm the talk of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: the town. It's all shine. And you know Sylvia Roone,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: it's like a mother to me. I love her so much.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Credible woman, credible executive boss of bosses. Even though I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: didn't sign to Electra, I did a deal with her
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: to write songs. I did a songwriter's deal.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: And so I would always go up deliver certain amount
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: of songs to a label.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would always go up there to see her.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: And you know, my homegirl Lisa Bronson were still friends
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: to this day. I remember when I was up there
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: and she had a picture of Brandy on her thing,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: and I was like, Yo, you know, that's my biggest
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: crush ever. And you know, I just you know Brooklyn Belize.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: We got a level of confidence. That's the only way
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: I survived death. And that's the only way I got
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: to where I went to it every day every day
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: I could have died, got to ship every day I
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: could have died, and I willed my life into existence.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: So like, after I accomplished what I accomplished, there's nothing
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: I can't accomplish. So I saw the picture, I was like, listen,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I got a crush on her. What's happening?
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: So when Puff approaches you about this conflict, what is
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: the what is the is it?
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: Hey man, like, guys are both signed to me.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like yo, yo bugging, what
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: are you? What are you doing? Mace is shocked. He's
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: the chance. Yeah, he's the MP m v P of
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: the team like you just got here like chill. But
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: but but we got past that, you know what I mean.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: So when you end up on from Scratch and listen,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I think, I think Brandy. I thank Brandy for helping
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: me make a classic album for sure, because you know,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: like I said, my biggest crush, you know, we in touch,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: fly here to see her, you know, connected right connected.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: But then there was another young lady also you know,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: she sold a couple of million records, but she was
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: a rapper, and you know she was my friend as well.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: You know, we were connected, and her and Brandy got
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: into it. They got into a little you know over you, right,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: So she called me, you know, cursing me out like
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know who you think you are,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Like you're nobody, You ain't even sell one record like
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: I'm Brandy, like swong with you.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: And that hit me.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: That hit me like a media out of like an
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: asteroid out of space.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: It put a battery in your back.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: To no, it hits me like you will never talk
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: to me, No one will ever talk to me like
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: that again. But I needed to hear that because you
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: know I was, I was, I was living it up too, much,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: you know, focused on the you know, on the pop
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: divers and the rap divers and he was outside. Yeah yeah,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: but that that slapped me up. That gave me that
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: the hand of God.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: When you up doing the from Scratch record with my
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: song on that, Mace and.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Then me and Mace, Me and Mace connected, you know,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: murder Mace, Mason Bether my guy, like you know, he
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: really we connected and you know, he gave me so
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: much information. That's when he was doing the deal with
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Jermaine and of yeah, what I'm saying, rest in piece
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: the Hoddy, Rest in peace to Lottie. But yeah, me
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: and him became close.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: When you end up doing the double up songs from
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: Scratch ends up dropping in the mint.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Puff wanted Puff wanted the He wanted to square up
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: over that.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: He wanted to scare with you over here.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: He wanted to square up over the why because initially
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: it said if I could start from scratch, I had
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: to sign the Death Jam Hustle with Rust a couple
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: of million advance. Oh he didn't like that because I'm
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: because I'm not a bad boy. I'm more like a
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: bad man. Put more people in Pitts than Brad man.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: So after so he heard that and.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Was like, you got leak what. I was actually in
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: the studio with Mace Mason Cam. I think I think
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Cam because Cam and lived in the studio. Respect the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: un Uh. Yeah, he wanted to square up. He wanted
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: to square up. I was like, man, listen, behave yourself.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: It's crazy, and then you end up signing to death
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: Jam eventually yells a couple of ms. Yeah yeah, man, listen, dude,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to, uh the new music obviously, and
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: the shows.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: It is in Brooklyn, Brooklyn, New York pro show of
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: many shows.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: How crazy is it for you to walk around Brooklyn
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: now and see like how Flatbush is like gentrified.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: It's a development is important. We just got to find
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: a way, the elected officials got to find a way
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: to make sure that that upgrade includes.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: His people who are there.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so that's the thing, right, We gotta we
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: gotta make sure the investment is going there. I love
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: what Brooklyn Borough President Antonio is doing. He's running for Congress.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: My guy, a great model is my guy Donovan Richards.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: He's a Brooklyn bor president. Because you know, even though
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: I'm doing this twenty fifth anniversary celebration. I'm tied and
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: heavy with all the political leaders. Yeah, and on both sides.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: You know, Byron Donald's who's running for governor of Florida,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: you know, tied in with his people because, as I said,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: it's important. You know, the the Republican South Carolina House, uh,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: you know, gave me a proclamation and I met with
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans and even though that's a red state, right,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: they recognized, you know, my political leadership, so uh so. Yeah,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: but definitely the political leaders such as assembly Woman Seantel
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: Jackson was from Belieze. She's a belizing American. You know,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: they need to do what they need to do to
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: make sure Madami has this incredible vision.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Man, look, I mean, let's let's see if he comes
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: that crime is down and and uh well let's see
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: if he could turn it into crime was done down under?
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: Eric Adams, that's my guy. I'm a little bit biased, you.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: Know, the wild dude that Eric Adams. He got a
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: crypto coin. Yeah, when the mayor launches a crypto coin, yeah,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: but I guess our president launch a crypto coin.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I need to launch a crypto.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: Don't do that not if you would get re elected
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: and believe one day they're gonna be like this guy
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: did a rug pull well, listen man, the second of
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: May Brooklyn Uh, and then the honorable Shine album. Yeah,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be the first of three projects.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the rap Prime Minister and actual Intelligence.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: I gotta put that actual intelligence out there, so nobody
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: don't don't run with that.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, you have to put it out there,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: otherwise you're gonna be like, wait a minute, yeah.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: Because you know miss AI right, Me and Timberland we
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: were having that discussion because.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: You know, he's the AI guy.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: He's a AI guy, and I believe it's a balance. Yeah,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: I believe, But I believe I believe in actual intelligence.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: And for everybody out there listening, don't give your brain
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: away or we'll be living I robot Will Smith. We
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: need actual intelligence. We're gonna always need this brain if
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: we want to exist, or we will come extent.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Man, Well Shine, actual intelligence.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you pulling up.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I'll be in La when
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: I when I come perform in La.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, and you pull up there, you already know
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: man Shine, Pope appreciate you better.
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