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Crystals: Magick and Science with Ashleigh From Big Crystal Energy · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: Something wonderful. What?
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  Speaker 1: I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear.
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  Speaker 3: To me now.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Occult Rejects. Today we're getting back
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  Speaker 4: into one of those subjects that sits right on the
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  Speaker 4: line between the magical world and the physical one, crystals.
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  Speaker 4: And returning to the show is Ashley from Big Crystal Energy.
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  Speaker 4: Last time Ashley came on, we got into the larger
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  Speaker 4: world of crystals, their history, their uses, and different ways
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  Speaker 4: people understand and work with them, and we talked about
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  Speaker 4: her podcast. This time I wanted to make things a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more personal and a little bit more focused,
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  Speaker 4: because instead of trying to cover the entire mineral kingdom,
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  Speaker 4: I asked Ashley to bring on some of the crystals
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  Speaker 4: that she genuinely loves working with. So this should be
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  Speaker 4: a fun one. And before we introduce her again, let
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  Speaker 4: me introduce Sanre, who's joining us. What is going on, Sanre?
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  Speaker 1: How are you? Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: What up, man? I'm very happy to be here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My name is Sanre. I am the author of Chaos
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  Speaker 3: Witchcraft and the facilitator of the Order of Chaos at
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  Speaker 3: Colt University, which is a school where you can come
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  Speaker 3: to learn all sorts of really awesome things about magic
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  Speaker 3: and esoteric philosophy.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I used to do a podcast, but now I just
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  Speaker 3: co-host this one because I'm very, very lazy, and this
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  Speaker 3: is so much easier for me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame you, dude. I just got to show up.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even have to book it.
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  Speaker 3: I looked at my content calendar, and I do a
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  Speaker 3: live stream every day. I do at least one lecture
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  Speaker 3: every week. I do a Q & A for my
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  Speaker 3: students on Sundays, and I try to make– videos exclusively
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  Speaker 3: for the school every week also and the thing that
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  Speaker 3: like i miss doing the podcast but man i just
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  Speaker 3: kind of love being here because you do such a
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  Speaker 3: good job of getting amazing guests and i can just
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  Speaker 3: hop on and i honestly just it's it's more fun.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks i do i do give you credit though man
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  Speaker 4: i mean i have noticed you live stream every day
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  Speaker 4: right i mean like every.
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  Speaker 1: Day yep that is awesome yeah yeah and.
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  Speaker 3: They're getting better too right i'm trying to the live
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  Speaker 3: streaming thing is new And I'm still sorting it out
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  Speaker 3: and adding new segments. But it's getting better. It's getting
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  Speaker 3: to be more fun. It's starting to be something I
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  Speaker 3: really enjoy doing.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's up, man. I'm glad to hear that.
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  Speaker 4: And Ashley, we got Ashley back again from Big Crystal
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  Speaker 4: Energy Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you back on. It's always
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  Speaker 1: great to.
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  Speaker 2: Talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: That was so sweet of you to invite me back.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, of course.
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  Speaker 5: I'm very excited to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I know I didn't plug much about your own stuff
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  Speaker 4: this time because it was your second time on. But
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  Speaker 4: please let everybody know where they can find your show
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  Speaker 4: or your podcast. you know, Instagram, TikTok, whatever you got.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You guys, I think I have like 90 followers on TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: I'm feeling big time over there. But hi, yeah, I'm Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: I'm from Big Crystal Energy Podcast. My podcast is about crystals,
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  Speaker 2: but many other things too.
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  Speaker 5: I talk about witchcraft.
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  Speaker 2: I talk about just anything magical, mysterious, mystical folklore, lots
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  Speaker 2: of different topics, lots of amazing different types of guests.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm also like a full-time physician assistant. I
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  Speaker 2: do orthopedic surgery and I'm a mom and all of
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  Speaker 2: those things too. So there's a lot going on in
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  Speaker 2: my world. Um, but I'm so glad to be back
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  Speaker 2: and talk crystals because it's one of my favorite things.
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  Speaker 2: And I even have my crystal crown today. I feel
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  Speaker 2: very fancy.
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  Speaker 5: That I got to bring that out today.
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  Speaker 2: Cause there's not a lot of perfect occasions for the
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  Speaker 2: crystal crown, but today felt like the right time.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. For sure. I definitely think it's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: As soon as I saw that, I was like, yo,
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  Speaker 4: that is gangsta.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're the only person that's ever called me
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  Speaker 2: gangster and pretty much my entire life. And I, and
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  Speaker 2: every time you say that, I just, it makes me
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  Speaker 2: giggle and I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I really do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe my idea of gangsta is different
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  Speaker 1: than everybody else. It's so funny.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Um, you know, maybe just for some people, just in case, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they haven't heard it before. Maybe we could
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  Speaker 4: just give a little bit of a background on like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, what you, like how you got into this
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  Speaker 4: and like what you're into and this and that just
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  Speaker 4: real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing. Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like I'm someone
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  Speaker 2: that always had a call to the magical side of life, but, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I got away from it for many years. I went
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  Speaker 2: to medical school and did all of those things and
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  Speaker 2: tried to check the boxes like we do. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, live this normal life, but then, you know,
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  Speaker 2: things start creeping back in. And, um, I got my
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  Speaker 2: way back to crystals. I, I got, um, I, I
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  Speaker 2: like to say that crystals are the gateway drug really,
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  Speaker 2: because they brought me down so many different rabbit holes,
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  Speaker 2: but it was this stone here in particular, this is
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  Speaker 2: my piece of cellistite. And I found this cellistite crystal
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  Speaker 2: in Santa Fe, New Mexico, when I was going through
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  Speaker 2: a really dark period of time. And, um, it really
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  Speaker 2: helped bring me out of it. And from there, once
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  Speaker 2: I connected with this stone, like my life literally changed
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  Speaker 2: so much, so rapidly. And I'm sure there are other
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  Speaker 2: influencing factors too, but it was something that helped me
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  Speaker 2: remember the witch that I've always been. And it brought
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  Speaker 2: that back out. And here we are, like I've had
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  Speaker 2: my podcast for like two and a half years and
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  Speaker 2: it's growing pretty steadily. And I've connected with so many
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  Speaker 2: amazing people like yourself. And, uh, it's just been the
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  Speaker 2: best thing that's truly happened to me other than my
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  Speaker 2: beautiful children, of course.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 4: Does it feel like a difference from like day one
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  Speaker 4: to where you are now with the podcast and everything?
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when I first started the podcast, I was, um,
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  Speaker 2: I was very like very focused on it just being
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  Speaker 2: about crystals. But then I realized that it can be
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  Speaker 2: so much more than that. And so it has really
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  Speaker 2: expanded from there because there's a lot of topics I
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  Speaker 2: like to talk about. And I mean, even now, like
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  Speaker 2: I have people that come on, I mean, I have
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  Speaker 2: like a vampire specialist coming on. I have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like it, it's so much like pretty much it's anything down,
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  Speaker 2: any sort of magical rabbit hole that you can go down.
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  Speaker 2: But there is like a strong crystal anchor every week.
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  Speaker 2: I have episode three, on Tuesdays that come out, it's
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  Speaker 2: called the crystal library. And I do like a, kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a short deep dive on one particular stone.
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  Speaker 2: And I teach listeners how to create their own connection
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  Speaker 2: to the stone. I talk about the history of the
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  Speaker 2: folklore and like a ritual that you can attach to
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  Speaker 2: the stone and, you know, make, make crystal, um, excess
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  Speaker 2: crystals accessible to everyone, because I think sometimes it can
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  Speaker 2: feel very overwhelming since there's, just so many out there
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  Speaker 2: and it's like how do we even know where their.
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  Speaker 5: Meanings how how do you know you see these meanings
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  Speaker 5: like these labels attach to them and like where does that.
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  Speaker 4: Even come from yeah yeah no I like that that's
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  Speaker 4: uh that's what they're I mean that's even kind of
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  Speaker 4: what I think uh Agrippa was even kind of trying
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  Speaker 4: to do in his book let's give a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of meanings behind and you know the renaissance itself is
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  Speaker 4: meanings behind why do we have these associations and maybe
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  Speaker 4: why does it do this stuff right it's pretty cool Nice.
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  Speaker 1: I think that is so, see, that I would say
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  Speaker 1: is gangsta. We'll kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Doing one Crystal on episode, I think that's fucking awesome.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's like, I don't know, totally nerding out
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  Speaker 4: on what you love doing.
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  Speaker 1: Why not? That's great. Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's been really fun. I mean, that was
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  Speaker 2: something that I started introducing last summer because it just
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  Speaker 2: felt like my plate was already full, so let's add
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  Speaker 2: a second podcast episode a week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But what I found is that when I sit down
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  Speaker 2: to do the research for those episodes, I try to use,
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  Speaker 2: I have so many books and materials in my own home.
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  Speaker 2: And so I really just try to go to like
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  Speaker 2: the source material where all the OG people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: wrote their books like Judy Hall. There's this woman who
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  Speaker 2: was very early in the crystal like healing community.
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  Speaker 5: Her name is Melody.
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  Speaker 2: There's all these like, people that came together and wrote
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  Speaker 2: all these really interesting books but like I try to
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  Speaker 2: take information from all the different sources and then I
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  Speaker 2: kind of see like what's the the through line like
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  Speaker 2: what weaves through the messaging because sometimes they're similar and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes they're different and then I try to put it
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  Speaker 2: all together and then kind of like distill out the
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  Speaker 2: the main thing behind each stone and then um it's
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  Speaker 2: just been really fascinating um to see that because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times we don't really know until we do
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  Speaker 2: a deep dive on something.
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  Speaker 4: No, I totally agree. Samarit, did you want to ask
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  Speaker 4: or anything before I keep going?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a question that I'm dying to ask
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  Speaker 3: if that's all right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because I talk about this kind of a lot. I
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  Speaker 3: love crystals. I don't talk about them a lot on
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  Speaker 3: my channel because I'm not an expert, but I love
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  Speaker 3: them and I love that the irony that crystals are
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  Speaker 3: often looked at as being like, Oh yeah, well I'll
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  Speaker 3: do tarot and astrology, but crystals, I don't know that
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  Speaker 3: that's too much for me. But crystals, like the most
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  Speaker 3: objectively true thing we can see within the realm of
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  Speaker 3: magic and say, this has a literal physical effect that
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  Speaker 3: makes all of our technology work. And people don't know that, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like they're, they'll like leave you a comment using a
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  Speaker 3: cell phone powered entirely by silicone to tell you that
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  Speaker 3: crystals are bullshit. Oh, that is.
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  Speaker 1: A funny fucking way to put it, dude. I love that.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So let me, here's the thing I've often, I don't know, speculated.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I heard this somewhere that our,
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  Speaker 3: our idea of a crown, like what you would see
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  Speaker 3: in like a Disney cartoon, you know, Robin hood, the
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  Speaker 3: King wearing the crown that what crowns were always meant
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  Speaker 3: to be for. And I don't know if this is true,
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  Speaker 3: but it'd be really fucking cool if it was, was
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  Speaker 3: not just like a fancy hat, but a, a facilitator
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  Speaker 3: for more psychic awareness via the stones placed in in
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  Speaker 3: the copper or gold, both of which are highly conductive materials, right?
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  Speaker 3: So you should be wearing something like this literally as
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  Speaker 3: an antenna.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: I've never heard that before, but that is fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like my energy and my vibration
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  Speaker 2: has just raised significantly since I put my crown on today.
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  Speaker 2: And it's surrounding your brain. It is.
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  Speaker 4: Well, even think of the electricity impulses going through there.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, all that stuff's conductive.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy. I mean, to your point about
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  Speaker 2: the electronics and everything, and that's oftentimes why I get
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  Speaker 2: so frustrated because I think when most people, when I
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  Speaker 2: tell a lot of people just out in the regular
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  Speaker 2: world that I have a podcast about crystals, I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people just think of it as just
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  Speaker 2: like this woo-woo you know, cheesy, like quirky thing that,
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  Speaker 2: that people are into, but they don't really understand that
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  Speaker 2: there's actual, there's actual science to it.
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  Speaker 5: And, um, that it's so much more than that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there are people out there in the world and, and,
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  Speaker 2: and I see them all the time too, at different
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  Speaker 2: events and they're draped in all these different, you know, and,
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  Speaker 2: and that, that it can be a little bit too
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  Speaker 2: much for me, but, um, at the core of it,
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  Speaker 2: there is a lot of, There is a lot of,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of truth to all of this.
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  Speaker 5: And I feel like.
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  Speaker 2: I have experienced it so much in my own life.
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  Speaker 2: Like there really has to be something to it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I, it's why I kind of like, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to get you on again for the crystals
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  Speaker 4: and I've covered, you know, herbs myself. I think those
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  Speaker 4: are two things right there that you can easily see
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  Speaker 4: how it affects a.
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  Speaker 1: Person or can do things. Yeah. It's right there and
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  Speaker 1: it's tangible, you know? Yup.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, another one is not to get off topic,
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  Speaker 3: but magic potions, right? Ayahuasca is a fucking magic potion.
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  Speaker 3: That's what that is, right? Magic mushroom tea is a
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  Speaker 3: magic potion. There are many, many potions and that's another,
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  Speaker 3: it's just an area of magic and occultism. This is
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  Speaker 3: like kind of thought of as being silly. And I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 3: this is, you can literally hold this in your hand.
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  Speaker 3: You can feel its effects. It's not purely psychological. There's
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  Speaker 3: a physical component to this. And so that to me is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, makes me think people are so afraid of
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  Speaker 3: an esoteric understanding of reality that they'll push away the
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  Speaker 3: things that are most objectively true, the hardest.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I totally agree with you on that. I mean, it's like, like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I get so much pushback about these things sometimes. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, well, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know that it works for me and I,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't feel like you know, I don't feel
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  Speaker 2: like it's my responsibility to argue with people about.
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  Speaker 5: These things or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everybody can find their own path to whatever
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  Speaker 2: it is that they want to do, but I wish
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  Speaker 2: that it was a little bit more, that it was
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  Speaker 2: recognized in a little bit more serious manner.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I get that. I get exactly what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what? And I, I wonder if that'll
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  Speaker 3: ever happen because I, my book will be out in
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  Speaker 3: October and I really tried my hardest to, um, give
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  Speaker 3: a very reasonable scientific explanation, uh, for magical phenomena. And I,
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  Speaker 3: I know I'm just, I know people are going to
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  Speaker 3: be like, so mad about it.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I love that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: People are mad about it. I'll be happy that they're
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  Speaker 3: mad about it, but it's, you know, the harder, the
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  Speaker 3: closer we get to this unification of science and spirituality,
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  Speaker 3: which is, I think something that's really happening at an
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  Speaker 3: accelerated rate now, the more people push back against it
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  Speaker 3: because it's, ultimately at the end of the day, and
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  Speaker 3: this is just my opinion, if you accept any kind
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  Speaker 3: of initiation into any kind of magical practice, somewhere at
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  Speaker 3: the heart of that practice is going to be an
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  Speaker 3: idea that you are responsible for a great deal of
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  Speaker 3: what happens in your life, which is obviously objectively true anyways,
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  Speaker 3: but nobody likes hearing it. If they're of a mindset
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  Speaker 3: that is disempowering to them which unfortunately is most people
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  Speaker 3: that's not their fault that's the media that's the culture
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  Speaker 3: that's whatever but you know i've always looked at it
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  Speaker 3: because my life was always really hard we never had
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  Speaker 3: anything growing up so to me magic has always just
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  Speaker 3: been a way to make my life better yes right
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  Speaker 3: it's always just been a way to improve my circumstances
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  Speaker 3: and i've always really appreciated that but i do see
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  Speaker 3: and many other people You try and explain these things
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  Speaker 3: and they get instantly offended because then they're confronted with
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  Speaker 3: the idea of, oh, maybe I've just made really terrible
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  Speaker 3: decisions with my life. And it's not just shit that
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  Speaker 3: happened to me. Maybe you are what happened to you.
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  Speaker 4: I've gotten pushback from stuff like that. And also, I
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  Speaker 4: think it's something that maybe some people misunderstand. And I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure it'd be the same way for you, Sunray, and
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  Speaker 4: the same way for you, Ashley.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just assuming. I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 4: But for me, I'm not explaining away everything else about magic.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just bringing one aspect to it. So now when
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  Speaker 4: I try to like, sometimes I try to make that
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more known because I do think some
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  Speaker 4: people think it's going to take away.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I think if anything, it's adding
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  Speaker 1: to the magic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people are like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it takes away the woo woo. I'm like, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: That's part of it. You know, technically.
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  Speaker 3: That's not. Yeah, that's a part of it. So that's
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  Speaker 3: a huge part of it. I mean, so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what I do is called Chaos Witchcraft, and I call
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: it that because Peter Carroll and I had a split
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: in our ways of thinking. But I worked with Pete
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: for a long time, and Chaos Magic was my kind
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: of go-to for many years. But Pete doesn't believe in astrology,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: and that's kind of where we started to split, because
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: I see astrology as being so in your face. It's
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: in your face as gravity. It's so obviously true, right?
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: None of the things that people really dislike about astrology
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: because they don't understand it is they think that it
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: takes away their free will.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Not at all.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Not even slightly. Just kind of tells you what's it's
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: like the weather. It tells you what's going on.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: That's all it does. But because of this misunderstanding, the
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Hollywood understanding of magic and all this stuff, people are
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: terrified of it. And that's propaganda. You know, like the
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: daily horoscopes are straight up propaganda. That's nonsense. That's just
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: to make you hate astrology. That's its only purpose. Come on, man.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: I love reading my daily astrology. I love my horoscope.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I haven't looked at.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: One of those.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: It's never right.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Never. Or, you know, another one that really, and I
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: want to credit Maren Altman who posted about this yesterday.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Something I wrote about in my book also, but it
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: got me thinking about it. You know, there, and there
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: are a great many like spiritual, like guru types that
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I despise and also a large section of the spiritual community,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: which is deeply committed to solipism and, And that's also
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: like really toxic and narcissistic because if you are of
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: the belief that absolutely everything in your reality is your
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: own manifestation, that's horseshit. You did not manifest the terrible
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: things that are happening around the world right now. You
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: manifest things that happen in your own life in a
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: meaningful way, but you didn't manifest your parents dying of cancer.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: You didn't manifest the car accident that you saw on
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: your way to work and you're not manifest. That idea
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: that you are the individual are responsible for literally everything
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: in your entire reality is horseshit. And that point of
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: view runs rampant in spiritual communities. Really?
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: That's interesting.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Gosh.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: No. I've seen it before, for sure.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, you got cancer? I guess he didn't vibrate high enough, bro.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I hate that shit so much.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, no.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Ashley, so I know you'll try to get through all
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: of them because you did bring a bunch, actually.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I did. I didn't get through all of them, but
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I did bring some. I thought I would bring....
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I brought some of my favorites, but I also.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: brought some that I think a lot of people are
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: familiar with and work with. And I think sometimes what
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I like to teach people is that just because when
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: you go and you're, you're looking at crystals or you
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: read about them on the internet, like you don't always
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: have to attach the meaning that you read about them
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: to what you're experiencing for them, for you personally, because like,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: There are certain stones that say they're for this, that,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: or the other, and I don't get that energy from
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: them myself. So I do think that you don't have
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: to be so rigid in your thinking about them. But also,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I just brought some different ones that I love. Do
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: you want me to just jump into some of them?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Jump into the first one.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Let's go for it.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: So most people are very familiar with clear quartz. It's
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: like the master healer. It's used for so many different things.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: It's used for real.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: In science, it's used in everything, right? It's really great
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: for everything. And not only that, it's really beautiful. And,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I feel very attracted to the stone for
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: many reasons.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: But one of the things that I.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Really enjoy doing with many of your listeners may be
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: familiar with, is I really like not this particular stone,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: but I really like to use it for scrying purposes.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I also have like a obsidian mirror that I like
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: to use for scrying purposes.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: That is awesome. I've heard of pendulums, too, with clear quartz.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, pendulum. I think that if you are new
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: to crystals and a lot of people want to know, like,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: what should I start with, I would say just start
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: with some clear quartz because it's super interesting. It's one
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: of the most abundant crystals on Earth, so it's easily accessible, okay?
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: And it's really neat. Like, you can do some really
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: fun little tricks with it.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: If you have, like, two little pieces of it, if
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: you go into– your closet and you rub them together,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: it has the piezoelectric effects. So that creates like a spark.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: So you can actually see that energy, right? You're not
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: just holding energy and like thinking, do I feel anything?
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: You can actually physically see it. And I think that's fun.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like to do that little trick with
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: my kids too. Um, and it's also kind of like
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: an amplifier. So sometimes if I'm trying to, um, if
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to do some kind of working or something,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: like sometimes I just like to have some clear courts
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: around me because it can kind of amplify that energy too.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: And I, I do love it for scrying and I have,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: you know, experience with that too, which is always just
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: like a really fun form of divination. And sometimes we
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: get some really interesting messages that come through. Awesome.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: And this stuff is also used a lot. I could be, well,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: maybe I'm thinking of silicone. Is clear quartz used in
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: a lot of devices?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like devices, clocks. It's used in a lot of
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: different things. It's used in, yeah, lots of electronics.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Clear quartz is the reason we're able to tune a
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: radio station.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Because of that piezo electrical effect. Because it has a
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: stable frequency, right? So in all of our modern technology
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: kind of stems from that.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: All of it. Computer chips. All of it. All of it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. You know, that's even more wild than when I
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: think of... I know I've mentioned this over and over again.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I probably even said it last time Ashley was on.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: How I think it was... Oh, man, I.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Forgot his name now. It was a Jesuit priest, I think.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Athanasius Kircher, maybe. He predicted, he thought in the future,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: through crystals, that he could... Well, we would, through crystals
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: and light and stuff, be able to transport like spirits
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: or demons. Again, you're talking about picking up waves in
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: the air with a quartz crystal to listen to shit,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: tell you what to do, what to think.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: That is weird, man.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: That is weird. That is weird.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Who is that?
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: I want to talk to that person.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, he's dead. Athanasius Kircher.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he was during the Renaissance,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's amazing. You know, and I think, what
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: was I going to say?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I already lost my train of thought. Never mind. Yeah.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Well, you were talking about the PZ electricity and doing
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: that stuff with the crystal.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. I'm sorry.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that, you know, we, as far
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: as like crystals, just to get back to like the
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: whole thing, like for the most part, crystals like core courts,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, they have like that state, that stable crystal
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: lattice structure.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So a lot of the things like, they're, they're, they're stable. Our,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: us as humans, we're kind of like constantly all over
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the place. Right. So a lot of the reasons why
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: working with crystals is that it's that it's, it's a
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: subtle energy. Most of the time, like if you, if
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you look, if you're holding the crystal, maybe you feel
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: it if you're super in tune, but it's got that
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: subtle energy that can kind of stabilize us. So I
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: know like early on in my, in my journey, I
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: was like in a really hard place and I, And
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: it wasn't that I was, I mean, I guess I
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: was feeling something physically, but it was like almost like
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: this anchor every day to like go back to this
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: thing where it was like it had that stable, subtle energy.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: But then it was also like this like visual anchor
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: of like what it was that I was trying to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: work on for myself because I was so like all
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: over the place that I really wanted to ground myself
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: during that time so that. When we're all over the place,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's so hard for things to come through to us.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I felt so blocked. I was just so blocked. I
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: had no creativity. I had no excitement for life.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: I had none of that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And then when I started working with just a few
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: simple stones.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: I didn't have a lot.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't have many in my collection. I had some
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: from in my early 20s that were just little tumbles.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: And then I had my celestite.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, that just goes to show you don't
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: have to have a lot. You only maybe just need
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: to have one or two that you enjoy working with.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And it was just that thing like that daily, like
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: having the ritual every day of what I was doing,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: having that visual effect, having the subtle energy effect. And
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: then it was like things started to quiet and all
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: these downloads started to come through for me.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: And it opened up a lot.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: So I don't think that we need to overcomplicate it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: We don't need to have like super fancy, expensive stones.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: We can just have something small that could be an anchor.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: You could even just have like a tumble of a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: clear quartz. You don't, that you carry around in your pocket.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a big showy piece because realistically,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: like I have, which I'll get to in a little bit,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I have this big, huge showy piece of Labradorite, which
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I absolutely love. But I mean, this thing weighs a ton.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Like I can't carry this around with me. I mean,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it's really great and I love it and I have
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: it on my altar and I use it for, you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: different things that I'm doing, but like it has to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: kind of stay in that spot. You know, I can't,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I can't, yeah. I mean, I can't take it out
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: with me, but every day I usually.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It's like a bowling ball if you want somewhere with it.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: It looks like a small bowling ball.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Like every day before I get going out the door,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I typically will kind of think to myself, like, what
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: energy do I want to carry with me into the day? I,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you know, I work in medicine, so I'm always around
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: lots of different kinds of people and energies and their
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: pain and they're hurting and they're mad and they're grouchy
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and they're, uh, uh, uh. So it's like, what kind
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of energy do I want to bring with me today?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And I'll usually just grab, you know, like I have
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: tons of stuff. I mean, I have tons of like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you know, tumbles and I'll pick what energy I want
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: and I'll stick it in my scrub pocket and I,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: and I take it with me. And honestly, like, I
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: feel like it does help. It's like, I can feel
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: it there when I feel myself getting frustrated, elevated. It's like, okay,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: remember Ashley, like we're going to focus on the energy
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: that we want to bring with us throughout the day.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: And it works.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: It works. I can't go anywhere. Not that I ever
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: leave my house, but if I did, theoretically, when I
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: do go out, I have this little bag that I
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: take with me absolutely everywhere. And this is the crazy thing. Listen,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: you don't need money to do magic. I want people
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: to buy my book and sign up for my school,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: but not everyone can afford to. And if you can
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: afford to and you want... to bring magic into your life.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: A little bag for five bucks. Put some crystals in
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: it that are meaningful to you. So, like, in mine,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I've got clear quartz.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Clear quartz, yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I've got some lapis lazuli.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Lapis lazuli.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: And then I've got my rune stones. So, I've got... Oh, yes.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I'll use for protection.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I have that, and I have... a sigil that you
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: can see this one in my book and its meaning
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: and everything like that. And if you do that, if
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: you put this whole thing is less than 20 bucks,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: it will change your life forever. If you're not already
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: doing this, it will change your life forever. Yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Those small little crystals right there. You can get for
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: a couple of bucks each sometimes.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: You don't have to have, you don't have to have
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: a lot. I mean, so much of what we do,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Like it's already inside of us, right? It's already inside
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: of us. And that's like a lot of what I
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: like to share on my podcast is that all of
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: these things, yes, they do enhance it and they can
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: be really great anchors for whatever it is that you're
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: wanting to create or manifest or whatnot. But like truly
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: all of it is inside of us and some of
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: these things just kind of help bring it out. Yep.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they help you stabilize. That's the main thing with
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: me with crystals is that they're frequency augmenters, right?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Everything else is like very intention oriented in the power
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: of your own mind. But crystals, it's a literal physical
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: effect that it has on your electromagnetic field. Yes.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly, man.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: That's how it is. That's how I see it. Kind
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: of like Ashley was saying, it's within you as well.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: It's a symbiotic. Well, not a symbiotic, but it's a
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: relationship that's like.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yes. feeds back kind of.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then, and then that too, that realization about crystals,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: you know, many, many, many years ago is what really
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: kind of tuned me into my own view of reality,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: which is animistic, right? That everything is relationship that you're in,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: how you're in a relationship with your entire environment, a
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: hundred percent of the time, that's the nature of reality.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: And there's so many ways you can, you can experience
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: that in a visceral way that clue you into the
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: more subtle ways that it's happening as well. And crystals
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: are one of those.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that concept of when I would kind
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: of newer into my magical practice and people would talk
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: about animism.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: And animistic way of life.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: And I was like, gosh, that resonated so much with
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: me ever since I was a kid, because I would
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: like physically feel, you know, like everything was like everything
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: had a spirit around me.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: Like and I felt that so deeply.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I can recognize not everybody else around me
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: had that same mindset about things.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: No, but that's also why if you have a corporate job,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I left my corporate job to do this, but there's
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: always that one guy in the office that the printer
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: will not work for. It's because the printer hates you, bro.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I am so, oh,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: this is so good. I am so glad that you
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: mentioned that because yesterday, I'm not going to say names,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: but there's a particular person in my work that is
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: not my favorite and i could hear him out in
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the office out in the hallway yesterday screaming at the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: printer i'm like yes not not only does the printer
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: dislike you so.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Does everybody else that is funny it explains.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: So much if you start looking at reality this way
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: everything makes sense.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I was like oh my gosh that is so funny
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: oh that vibe oh That vibe is not good.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: That vibe's not good, bro.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: That's funny. I was hiding at work yesterday in an
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: office and I was like, oh my gosh, I hope
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: nobody even notices I'm in here because I don't want
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: certain people to come and chat with me.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: I just want to do my own thing. Just let
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: me go to work and just leave me alone and
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: let me do my job.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. No, I get that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: I used to send out, like, mass emails to my
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: coworkers at the beginning of Mercury Retrograde, just be like, hey,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: just so you know. And then everyone's like, oh, God, okay.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: And then two weeks later, three weeks later, I just
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: send out another one that says, told you so.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Told you so.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Yo, I really, you know, again, I don't necessarily prescribe
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: to everything that people talk about with, you know, the
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: planets and shit. I do think there's a thing with that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: like I've even spoken with Samar and he was saying before,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I do think there's an influence, but, uh, when it
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: comes to Mercury retrograde, like that really like, you know,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: for me, it's almost like clockwork, like something electronically is
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: going to fucking go wrong during that time.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: It is very weird.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Like I've retrogrades, eclipses, all that stuff.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Times when it's been like really bad. I've even like
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: asked or looked like, wait, am I in Mercury? We
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: in Mercury retrograde right now. And I didn't even know it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, Oh, there you go.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: There it is.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: It's like, what the fuck? Yeah. It's very weird for me.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: It totally fits. Man.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: This summer was rough for me.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Woo.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: It's been like.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: A lot, a lot summer.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: There's like a lot of astral. There was a lot
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: of big astrological things that happened.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Over the last six months.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: So much.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: The biggest for me was Uranus leaving Taurus and moving
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: into Gemini. So if you're a fixed sign, if you're Taurus, Leo, Aquarius,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: or Scorpio, this is a life-changing event for you. It
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: means that for the last 12 years, I think, that
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Uranus was in Taurus, you've been getting the short straw
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: on everything. And now that it's in Gemini, everything is
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: going to get so much easier and better for fixed signs,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: whereas things for the mutable signs... are going to get
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: a little bit harder. So it's like, this is a
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: huge change for everybody.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Wow. Right before that whole Aries conjunction shit that happened.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm an Aries.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I could really say a lot of this stuff, a
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: lot of people were saying, just from my experience, a
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: lot of people were saying the same shit when it
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: was coming to Tarot or whatever, the astrology for what's
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: coming for Aries during this whole event. And a lot
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: of that shit honestly was like seriously very on point
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: for me during that time.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Like I was going through a lot and since then
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the decisions I have decided to make during that time
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: didn't even see like even during that time I was
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: just like I can't see like what like what's going
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to happen from this.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: And I see it now where it's like holy shit
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: that projected like I wouldn't even be in South Carolina
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: right now if it wasn't for the changes that I.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Made during that. Yeah. And I was like what the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: fuck like wow that really And I'm a lot happier
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and everything's going great and smooth.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: All that chaos, all that chaos was worth the good ending,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: you know? And I was just like, wow, like that
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: actually happened to me.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The motto I always use for my, you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I teach astrology to a point. Cause what I, the
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: kind of astrology I teach, I call it blunt force astrology.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Like I don't, I, I, I'm not going to be like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I've got friends who, are astrologers who do kind of
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: like a little bit of magic on the side like
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: i'm a magician there's a little bit of astrology on
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: the side you know what i mean but my motto
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: has always been astrology is so real that it hurts
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: because it can it can really hurt at times right
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: astrology can mess you right up and there's not a
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: lot you could do about it except understand it if
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: you understand it then you alleviate some of the suffering
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: you go through and that right there is worth.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: It How was your I'm curious, like what your point
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: of entry was for astrology? Because I always feel I
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: feel like. Yeah, because to me, I'm not I'm not
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not that knowledgeable of astrology. That's not really been
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: like a big pillar for me as far as because
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: for for whatever reason, it just feels like. I don't know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: it's just like feels so challenging for me. It is.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Astrology is hard to learn. I mean, so I had
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: two realizations. And one I'm going to call not a
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: realization because this is a straight-up download because I was
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: only like 9 or 10 years old. And my dad
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: and I had just built a computer so we could
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: play the original Doom.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: And so he was teaching me about computers. And one
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: of the things that I learned was that there's Windows,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: and underneath Windows there's DOS.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: So this is, I have no reason.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. You remember DOS? You remember the prompts?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Nine or 10 year old figuring this out. This is
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: why I say it was like a download, but I
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: just was, I remember vividly standing on our front lawn
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: one day shortly after the computer thing and realized like, Oh,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: this is windows. And there's something underneath it. That's like
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: DOS and that's astrology.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: That's so interesting.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Right. And then like fast forward five or six years,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Seven years. This is funny because I just talked to
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: this person yesterday for the first time in many, many years.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: My friend Moana, or Mo, we'll call her, who is
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: married to one of my other best friends. We all
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: met when we were teenagers and.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Mo and I were competing for the same promotion at
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: the pizza place that we worked at when we were kids.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: And like, we have like a better kind of rivalry
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: going on. And it just occurred to me, I'm like,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I wonder what her sign is. And I looked into
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: it and I found out she's a Scorpio. And I
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: looked at mine. I'm like, Oh, that's why we hate
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: each other. Cause I'm a Leo and she's a Scorpio.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: That makes perfect sense. Um, And then I really didn't
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: fuck around with astrology anymore until I was in my
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: thirties and like very, very actively practicing magic and already
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: kind of gotten way deep into tarot. And then it
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: just seemed like a logical next step.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: So because my, I decided around the time I turned
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: 33 that I was going to dedicate my life to occultism.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: And that means that there's many more things I still
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: have to learn. And I'm going to systematically go through
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: all of them. I'm good with tarot. I'm good with astrology.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I'm good with numerology. I'm very, very good at magic.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: But there's so much more. I don't know jack about Kabbalah,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: for example. That's the next thing, maybe. Or this system
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: or that system. It's like music. You can spend your
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: entire life dedicated to music and at the end of
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: that still just know one-eighth or one-hundredth of what there
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: is to know about music.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: But isn't that so exciting? I mean, that's what I
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: love about it.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: You know, that's the thing that like makes me feel excited.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Like every day when I wake up, I feel like
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: so excited because there's something like, even with my, in
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: my own niche, there's always something exciting to learn, but
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: then also so much beyond that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: And, um, you know, I feel like so many people.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Are, are living for the weekend. They're living to just
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: get through the motions of life. And like having this
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: path has made it so that like, I don't just
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: live for the, for Saturday and Sunday. Like I live
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: in every day because our life is mostly in the
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: everyday and not just on the weekends. And so like that,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: like having a magical practice and having my stones and
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: having like just all these amazing, beautiful things to like
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: research and learn about and be a nerd.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: About makes me feel excited about every single day.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: You know, every day is.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Not easy or perfect. But there's always like some little
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: thing that I can do, some little thing that I
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: can read about that just like sparks my interest a
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Whereas before I had this practice, I didn't really know.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't have that. I just felt like I was
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: just kind of like meandering through life and like, well,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: what's the next thing?
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Well, what now?
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. And, you know, that pattern also of living
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: for the weekend is beautiful. I remember doing that. There
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: were times in my life when I was living my
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: life fully on autopilot and I wasn't unhappy. right it
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: was fine but nothing really made sense and it was
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the cycle was go to work tolerate being at work
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: for 40 or 50 hours a week come home you
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: know tolerate all the things you have to do at
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: home and then get high and play video games and
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: repeat and it's just like i think i did that
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: for a decade Oh, wow. Yeah. And it's like none
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: of that time mattered in a way that every day
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: matters in my life now. Mm-hmm.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I see what you're saying with that. Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's true. I mean, I felt like, you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: for so many years, like you have to– you have
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: all these little boxes to check and you have all
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: these little things. And then, and then at the end
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: of it, I'm like, Oh, well I've done all these things.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: So now I should feel fulfilled and now I should
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: feel happy. And now I actually feel more void than ever.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I also think that's me. I'm a
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Sagittarius sun. So I'm always on like some sort of quest.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: You know, there's always.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: A side quest happening like every day.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: And they're just like this need for like.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Ongoing.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of, I'm ongoing. Like I always just feel
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: like a little bit of chaos at all times, but
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's, that's me.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: And I didn't have that. I just felt like it
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: was gone.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Like the whimsy was gone, you know, like someone just
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: asked me yesterday, like at work, I was doing hospital
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: rounds and one of my old coworkers comes up to
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: me and she's like, how do you get your whimsy?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: And I was like, Oh my gosh, that's like the nicest,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: that's like the coolest question anyone's ever asked me.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: How do I get my whimsy? Well, it's from all
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: of this.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah. I think one of the pivotal changes for me, essentially,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I think that there's two ways that people tend to
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: look at life. And I'm trying really hard to instill
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: this in my son right now. But you can go
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: through life with the question, what can I have? What
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: can I accumulate? Or what can I do? And I
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: think what can I do, what can I accomplish is
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: so much better than what can I have. And it's
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: the way to actually have anything is to be completely
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: and utterly focused on accomplishment. So this is something where
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: I feel like I have to defend myself from friends
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: and family about this all the time. Because, well, number one,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: they assume that because I do this full time that
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I must be broke, which I'm not. I make considerably
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: more money doing this than I did at my corporate job.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: right um one 1.5 times my income why.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Did i think why because they don't think it's like
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: a serious type of thing or like why do they
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: think that you are broke.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: It's just i don't know it's just an assumption people
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: have when you say you're a youtuber or like what
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: do you do for a living oh i talk about
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: astrology and magic you know oh see you know.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: What i get the complete opposite when when people happen
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: to ask like what i do and i say well
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: i say i podcast All of a sudden, they think
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: that I'm famous and making money. My apartment complex literally
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: asked me, do you think about maybe doing a commercial
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: on your show for us?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't think so. So now
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: everybody knows exactly where I live. Get the fuck out of.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Here. I guess part of it is for me, I'm
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: not doing this to I'm not a person that's really
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: motivated by money. I'm motivated by what can I accomplish?
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: What can I leave in the world that is going
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: to be here after I'm gone? Because no offense to
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: my family, but I look at some of them and
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you did nothing with your life. You did
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: jack shit. And I couldn't tolerate that. And this is
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of emotional shit building this for me because
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: my father passed away rather suddenly when I was a
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: kid and left us nothing to, I mean, like, you
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like nothing to like a photo,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: a letter, such something. Yeah. Anything. I didn't get that.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: So I set a goal to write a book that
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: would then get published so that no matter what, my
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: son could always just go to the bookstore and buy
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: another copy if he lost it. You know what I mean?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: You can't take it away from them.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: It's like you leave a legacy. You leave something behind,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: you know? And I think that's so true. I mean,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: so many people in our society and culture are just
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: so focused on, like, the financials and, like, the materialism
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: of everything. And, you know, I mean, obviously, like, I
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: get caught up in that sometimes, too. Like, I want
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: certain things and whatnot. But, like, at the end of
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the day, when I created this practice, when I created
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the podcast, like, The connections of the people that I have, like, just, like,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: met or, like, the people that I've helped through the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: things that I'm doing, like, that.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Is so fulfilling.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: More than, like, some trivial object that I'm buying or, like, what,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: you know, some piece of, like, some fancy bag.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: I don't like purses, but, like.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not. Yeah. I mean, like, you know,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: some trivial object like those connections are so much more
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: powerful and they like really stay with you.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: And, you know, what's the purpose of the community? Don't
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: get me wrong. I like stuff. You know, stuff is cool.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: If I had the money, I'd probably buy a cool car.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: You know, the cool stuff is cool. But what's the
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: reason for it?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: And if and for a lot of people, I think
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: the reason to accumulate wealth is to try and facilitate
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: relationships with people because they don't know how to otherwise.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: They want to be impressive.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: And one of the things I always try to especially.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: teaching the young men who come to me for advice
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: is like, you don't need any of that. You, you
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: need the ability to form meaningful relationships with people. It has,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: it has nothing to do with your status, with your wealth,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: with your job, with your anything. There were times in
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: my life when I was like literally homeless and still
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: had amazing relationships and still had, you know, good things
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: in life because i love people and i think that
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: them so another thing people come to me and i
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: ask which i think is funny because i'm a tarot
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: reader and i do astrology and all that it's like
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: well what's my meaning i'm like i don't fucking know
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: what's what is you tell me you know the universe
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: doesn't hand it to you you have to figure that
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: shit out for yourself i can do that but if
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: there is if there is in my opinion if there
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: is any kind of general purpose or meaning to life
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: it's to leave the world a better place than you
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: found it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: If you can i agree with that for sure.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: However you want to do that.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I agree. Can't go wrong with that either, right? You
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Just even a little like that.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: You can be totally selfishly motivated if you want because
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I believe in reincarnation, so I want to leave the
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: world a better place than I found it because I'm
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: fucking coming back here and I know it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: I do think that is a funny way to look
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: at it because I've heard you say that before and
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, that is a good way.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Like, if you believe in reincarnation, like, fuck, I don't
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: want to come back and it's even worse.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Imagine you, like, contribute to, like, the destruction.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Of the world and you come back here and you're like, fuck,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: god damn, I wish I hadn't done that. Yeah, like
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: me and my fucking mouth.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: That's why I hope, like, I don't know, obviously, but
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I hope that there is some sort of like life
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: review process that happens in between this life to the
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: next one where it's just like, Oh buddy, you fucked
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: up bad. Get back down there and do it again.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: It's like, you really found out for yourself. What's good.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: You have a lot more karmic lessons that you need
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: to learn. Get back down there.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: That's great. That was a good laugh. Thank you. Um, Ashley,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I know you got other crystals with you. Do you
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: want to talk about them? Let's hear it. Okay.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: So let's see here.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Let's see.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: What would be the best one to share?
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: So I'll get back to this, my other love of
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: my life, my Labradorite.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: I feel like for me... I thought you'd get one
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: of those.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think for me, Labradorite is really special because it.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Let's see, I'm trying to get the light to hit
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: it in just the right way where you can see
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: that flash.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: And to me, it's like one of those stones.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: And it is known for this, of course, but it
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: is like a very stone of like intuition. And I
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: think a lot of that is that it just, it
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: seems to have something like really special, like locked inside
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: of it. They say that it has like this, the light,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: the flash is supposed to be like Aurora Borealis, like
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: locked inside.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Of it, which I think is really interesting.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Cool from like a folklore standpoint and just something about it,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: you know, like sometimes we.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Can't really pinpoint what it is. I think a lot
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: of times with different.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Crystals, we, um, just feel a certain way, but that's
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: also kind of like based on who we are and
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: what we are and what we experienced in the world
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: around us. And for me, like when I am around Labradorite,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: it is just like a very magical and transformative stone. And, um,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: This is the this flash is actually called Labrador essence.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: You know, it's really beautiful.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's just like it just hits it hits
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: the color in different ways. Like I have manifested like
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: so much crazy stuff just through not necessarily this piece
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: of Labradorite, but other pieces of Labradorite, like things that
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I never really thought would even be possible for me.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Like just by working with this particular stone, they really
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: did come true. And I think a lot of it
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: is too, like for me having this stone, it really
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: allowed me to shift my own personal identity into allowing
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: myself to be more who I really feel like I
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: am on the inside and allowing that to come forth
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: on the outside. For me, this is really a stone of, uh, glamor. Um,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: and you know, glamor magic is something that I work
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: with too. So, um, I think a lot of the time,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: like we, like we feel a certain way on the inside,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: but like, how do we express that on the outside?
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: So this stone, like really, it's like.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: The embodiment of like how I want to look and
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: how I want to feel. And it like, it comes forward. Like,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't really know how else to explain that,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: but like, that's really what it does. It's just kind
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: of like this magic that's kind of hiding in plain sight,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: but that's like that magic within us.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: And how do we bring it out? If that makes sense.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: I think so. I guess the way I would explain
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: it would be that Labradorite has this way of switching
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: the places of the inside and the outside in your
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: reality to show you that that's the nature of how
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: things work. Right. I've got a question that's been in
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: my mind for a while now. When you look, when
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: you're scrying into a stone, like your laboratory, what, what
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: are you physically doing with your eyes? Do you, do
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: you stare intensely? Do you defocus? For me?
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just kind of, I kind of just like
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: relax and I kind of just like let my gaze go.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: Just relax.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I don't try to like stare too hard because I
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: think if I'm in a more relaxed state, then I'm
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: not forcing. Cause I think a lot of times with scrying,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: like we can feel like we're forcing.
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: We want to see something. We want to have a.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Visualization of something like really bad so that we really
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: force it. And I think it just takes time. Like
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: we have to, we have to practice these things. Like
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: it's not, you know, you can sit there and like
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: force it to the point where you're actually starting to like,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: you know, you're, you're pushing it too hard and then
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: your eyes are just like tweaking out. But like, I
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: just kind of sit there and I, and I usually
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: just sit at my desk, like I'm sitting here now
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: and I'll, and I'll kind of dim the lights and
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: I'll light a candle and I'll just kind of relax
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: and just see what comes forward. And sometimes it's not
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: even a visual. Sometimes it's more of like, um, for me,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: for me, I get a lot of like, my visuals
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: are more in my mind's eye rather than they are like,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: like physical things that I'm seeing.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Yep. I, I suspect that, That a great many accounts
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: by people like Alistair Crowley, perhaps to name one, who
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: describe seeing these things. They left that part out where
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: they saw it in their mind's eye and they describe
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: it as something they saw directly in front of them,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: which I don't discount. I agree with that, though.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I agree with it.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: But I think it sets up an expectation in practitioners
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: that if I perform some sort of evocation that a
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: demon is going to manifest in physical form right before me,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: like it does in Hollywood, and then they're disappointed when
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: that doesn't happen. And I'm like, well, you got your
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: idea from a fucking TV show.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Or even the opposite is that they'll think that, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: then because of the lighting and maybe just the way
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: the smoke happened to catch, you do think you manifested
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: something that you didn't.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It could go both ways, honestly.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: It can.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I've seen, so a friend,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: someone who I vaguely know on Facebook, and I'll never
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: forget this, posted a photo, and she got, she snapped
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: this photo, and this was before AI, okay, this was many,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: many years ago, of a skull perfectly forming in smoke.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: While she was crying. And it's, it is so dead
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: on in your face. Like this is an image of
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: a skull. It's so freaky, man. And so it can happen.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: But the, but to your point, Ashley, when you expect
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: it to happen, you block it from happening.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Expectation is a motherfucker on the mind.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Expectation ruins everything. Yeah.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Which is, which is hard to get around. If you're
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: always thinking I gotta put, I got all my intentions. Well,
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: my intentions are kind of an expectation.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: So it's like, it's a real, it's a mind fuckery here.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: It is a mind fuck. But so I wrote about,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: this is one of the things I wrote about my book.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: That's most important to me. And I even just did
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: a video on this. Here's the magic formula. And this
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: is my opinion. Okay. Intense desire without an attachment to
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: an outcome. Oh, that is the ticket. That is how
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: you create. That's how you get whatever you want in
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: your life. Focused, intense desire with absolutely no attachment to
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: whether or not you actually get the thing.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: How do we do that?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Train your mind. It is just what it sounds like.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Anyone can do it. You just have to separate attachment
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: to the outcome from the desire of the thing. So
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: you stay in a positive mindset about it, right? So
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: think about it this way. This is like a dumb example.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: You go to Costco and... because I go to Costco
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: all the time and like they always have cool shit
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: that I'm like oh man I really want that but
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: I can't afford it right now right I could put
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: it in my car and blow my grocery budget or
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: I could just remember I really want that and when
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: I can't afford it I will get it and to
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: not go through the emotional disappointment like that because that's
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: childish like I want it now or I'm gonna cry
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: yeah is throwing a tantrum and tantrums don't produce magical
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: results right patience desire and non-attachment produce magical results So true.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Cause I want that Ninja blender. Do you like, I
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: really want it. It's like $ 500.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Take the Ninja coffee machine. Fuck.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Right. I'm just waiting for them to come out with
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: like a sous vide machine. And if you're familiar with
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: that brand, like eventually they'll have one. It's like an
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: air fryer, a blender and a sous vide machine all
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: in one. That's what I'm waiting for.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Less appliances that we can have clogging up our countertops better.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: This is so real right here. It's so funny.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Oh man, you're awesome.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: No, no, that was great. That was great. Thanks, Ashley.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: I love that.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: It was real shit right there. Um, we have, what, oh, this, uh, yeah,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: the Labradite.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Anything else? I forgot what we were even saying.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: That was a good laugh.
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: I think one stone that most people are very familiar
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: with and everybody thinks of it as like the love
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: stone and all of those kinds of things is rose quartz.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: And I don't have anything against rose quartz because that
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: was the stone that I found a piece of rose
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: quartz when I was young and I, you know, just
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: outside and I really loved it.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: But as I got older, older.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: And as I kind of went into my crystal journey,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: I felt like I didn't like Rose Quartz anymore because
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: everybody is so it's like, just like everybody, a lot
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: of people in the crystal world are new to the crystals.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Like everybody's like Rose Quartz and I need love and
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I want a relationship and I need self-love and all that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: And I, and I was just like, Oh, I don't,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know that that just doesn't jive with me.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: But I was at, um, this in San Francisco periodically
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: throughout the year, they have these different crystal fairs and
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: they're really cool. You get to see like all different
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: kinds of vendors there. And I remember I was walking
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: around the corner and I came upon this table and
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: it was the same vendor that they handmade this crown
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: for me, but they had this particular piece of rose quartz,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: but it was different in the sense that it was like,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: it was like this dark and moody Rose quartz. It
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: wasn't dark.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: And that's me.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I'm dark and moody.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: And like, I, yeah.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: And like, there was just something about it and I
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: saw it and I was like, I was in the
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: market for like other stones that day coming across this
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: particular piece of Rose quartz was not on my radar
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: at all, but it was like, I saw it and
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I was, and I was like, I have to have it.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: I have to have this because there was just something
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: about it. And to me, it didn't, it didn't indicate like,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: those normal narratives that we hear about crystals like the
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: love and the self-love and all that it didn't give
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: me that energy it gave me this energy of like
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: like this is a stone that you've known for most
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: of your life since you were a child but this
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: is like a different spin on it and this stone
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: is gonna help like like project you to where you
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: want to go so you better get this stone and
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: you better bring this home and you better start working
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: with it because there's something locked inside here and that
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: is so much more than just romance and softness and forgiveness.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: This stone came at me with an energy like no other.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: And that's so unusual for what normally people think about
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: rose quartz. And so that put me in this mindset
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: of the attachments that people have to certain stones. Yes,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: there can be that underlying thread through it. But if
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: you don't feel that way, then you need to go
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: with what you feel you are getting from that stone. And,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: you know, and I think that that's a little bit
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: different spin on like how a lot of things are
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: presented in like the crystal healing community.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: It's true for all of the magic. I think that
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: if your magical practice, if your personal magical practice is
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: built upon other people's definitions, you will be deeply confused.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: You need to base it on your own observations. I mean,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: this is true for everything. Base it entirely on what
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: you actually experience, not what someone else says it should be.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Great, great stuff right there. Yeah, you'll definitely be deeply confused.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: I had an experience I would love to ask you about.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: I see your opinion. Um, and it was almost, almost
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: the opposite of what you have because my favorite stone
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: visually is Malachite. It's beautiful. Oh, I said that too.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: We talked about this last time. Yes.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: That's my favorite too. Fibrous Malachite stone was my favorite.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: I love Malachite. And I used, I, so up until
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: very recently had quite a lot of it. I had,
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: it was built in the mud, a lot of my
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: jewelry built into my wand. And I was leading my
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: students through a 33 day long, uh, Hekate ritual, which
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: is part of my program. Um, And towards the end
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: of this cycle of the 33-day long ritual, Hekate told me,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: get rid of all that malachite. Ditch it. Because I
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: was asking, why is my life so heavy? And when
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: I asked that question, I could feel all the malachite
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: that I have stored and that used to be up
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: here on the shelf just starting to pulse. Like, this
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: is why. And that's not to say there's anything wrong
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: with Malachite as a stone, but it's intense. It brings
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: out intensity. I don't want intensity. I don't want shit
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: to be easy. So I took it all down to
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: the local foresty area and I buried it. I said
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: goodbye to it. And I feel better and I feel
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: lighter now.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: You can just send it to one of us next time.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: No, and I think that's actually really interesting and true.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: For myself, I do agree because I really love it.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I have a few pieces of alakite, but I don't,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: it's like, it's like one of those stones that I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: feel like it has to be just the perfect piece
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: because I can't have it. I can't have it, like,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: everywhere in my house. Even though it's, like, one of
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: my favorites visually. It's so pretty.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting. It's so beautiful. But it is intense.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I do agree with that.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: But it does have an intense energy. So I can
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: understand that.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah. Beautiful stone.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm not mad at it. I also felt foolish, though,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: because I knew about the intensity of Malachi, and I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: chose to surround myself with it. you know, for years,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: for years, it's my favorite zone. And it's like, I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: almost just forgot about its purpose is to make things
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: challenging in life so that you can overcome the challenge. Right.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Oh, why is my life so challenging?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe, maybe, you know, it was there. It served
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: its purpose for whatever time.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: You know, that you needed it.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: It was there for a reason. You had challenges that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: you needed to learn about. You had challenges that you
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: needed to overcome. And then once you connected with the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: fact that maybe this was something that was a little
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: bit disruptive for you, You did what you needed to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: do and you took it out and you gave it
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: back to the nature and, you know.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally. It was a wild experience to get
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: such a visceral answer and then have that, like, oh,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: duh kind of moment about it.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: That's pretty wild, though.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: But sometimes those things, like, that's the thing. Like, sometimes
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: things are literally hidden in plain sight.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: It's just so obvious.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: It's so obvious that we just can't see it.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: For sure. Right?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: That happens to us all the time.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: It's happening to everybody all the time. And I think
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: that one of the things about becoming an esoteric practitioner
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: is that that happens less and less. But I think
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: for all the normies out there, people who don't practice magic,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: that's all reality is. It's like you can't see what's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: right in your face all the time.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Because we're able to step back. We're able to slow down,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: step back. And we're those people that are very introspective.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: We're really assessing all the things and relationships and everything
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: around us. Whereas so many people out there are so
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: reactionary and everybody like they all like it's everybody else.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: It's never them. You know, I always like to look
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: at it from the thing is like, well, what's my
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: part in this first? And then what else is going on? Like,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I don't want to, I don't want to be the victim.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Like I always want to own up to what the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: problem is, like from my perspective and see what I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: can do from there. But I think, you know, when
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: you have these practices and you're able to slow yourself
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: down a little bit and think about these things, then
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: it becomes so much more obvious, but we're not, we're not,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: we're not, you know, these things can happen to us too. Yeah.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: And we're not better, right? I don't think that being
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: a practitioner of magic or witchcraft makes you in any
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: way better. I think it just makes you, it's a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: tool that you can use. It's more than a tool.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: It's a belief system. It's a tool. It could borders
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: on even a religion for some people, a sense of spirituality,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: a relationship to your environment. It's the bridgeway between you
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: and everything else that's missing for a lot of people.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: And it is, it's also on a more physical level.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: We are, increasingly becoming an left brain dominant species. We
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: are like losing this side of our brain, which doesn't,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: you know, cause your, your language centers over here, but
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: over here, the subconscious, and this is a massive oversimplification,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: by the way, don't yell at me.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: But your right brain hemisphere is the subconscious and it
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: doesn't speak in words. It speaks in symbols and feelings
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: and colors and sounds.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: And we are experiencing reality through that lens less and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: less and less and And it is forming a kind
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: of mass psychosis. And that mass psychosis is disconnection from reality.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Just real quick, Sanre, do you happen to know of
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Ian McGilchrist?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: Yes. I mean, that sounds so familiar, but I can't
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: think of exactly.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Who that is. He has a book pretty much going
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: on about the same thing you just said. That guy's great.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: I just messaged him. I just found out about him.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: I watched his documentary, and he didn't reply.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, he might eventually. He's replied to me any time
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I've ever actually emailed him.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he may. You'll probably get it. If you
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: ask him to come on, you'll probably get the same
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: response I've gotten three times.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: In a row.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: No, I'm too busy. But good luck. Good luck. I actually,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: you know, I hope you do.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: But, no, he gets into right what you were saying, Sunray.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: And if people are interested into, like, a real nerdy, science-y,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: in-depth look on that, look up Ian McGilchrist.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Amazing shit. Him and Enlil Seth do some amazing work
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: for that type of stuff. All right, sorry. It was
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: awesome to hear him say that. Because I was just
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: looking into shit like that myself.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this shit is so cool, man. This is the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: thing about magic and all this stuff for me is
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: that I'm so happy with the path I'm on. I'm very,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: very proud of my book. I'm excited for it to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: come out. But for every area that I touch upon
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: in my book, I could have spent a lifetime mastering
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: that one thing. And I want to for all of them. right,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: for every little thing that I touch upon. I'm like,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: this is a whole, like in astrology, like neuroscience, psychology,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: manifestation in general, divination, all the different things that are
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: encompassed by witchcraft, all of them are specialties that you
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: can spend a lifetime on. And if I could live
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: to be 500, that's what I would do with that time.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: I would master each and every one of those fields independently.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I like that. Ashley, when are you going to do
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: a book? You should do a book on crystals. Oh,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: she's muted. What happened there?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Uh-oh.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe something unplugged. It could be StreamYard. Sometimes StreamYard will
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: do some wild shit like that. Oh, I can't unmute you. Sorry.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: No, I was just thinking, because of what you were saying, Sunray,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: and I know that she's been covering those crystals, I mean,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: you could probably do something like that with the science
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: aspect with it. Because not too many people really that
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: I've noticed really kind of, you know, it doesn't mean
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: it doesn't exist. But I haven't really come across too
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: many people that have gone into the crystals like that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: much in science.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Well, no, and I think that there's so many things
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: that deter you, right? So I always thought it was funny.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: One of my favorite books has nothing to do, not
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with, but is not science. It's a
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: real book of science and physics. It's called Biocentrism by Dr.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Robert Lanza, who has nothing to do with metaphysics whatsoever.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: He's just an actual doctor. He wrote this book called
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Biocentrism that happens to perfectly coincide with paganism. And he
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: even goes out of his way in his book to
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: say this is not magic. Just like Kirby surprised it
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: when he wrote the book Synchronicity, like over and over
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: again and says, this is not magic. Then write the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: whole last book about magic. But one of the things
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: in biocentrism that I thought was hilarious was he goes
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: out of his way to discredit like magic and magical
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: thinking and all that, and then goes on to talk about.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: how it takes a very special kind of crystal to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: perform the kind of experiments that we do. So like the, um, the,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: the double slit quantum eraser experiment, you need a Ruby
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: to do that because the Ruby is what separate separates
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: the light beams. I'm like, Oh, so you're using crystals
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: to do magic. It's what you're doing, dude. You're using
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: crystals to perform experiments that show us that time can
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: run in reverse. If you know what you're doing, that's witchcraft.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Yep. Can you hear me now?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, we can.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Okay. My audio just, my mic and everything decided to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: short circuit. There's too much magic. There's just too much
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: happening here today.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Yes. All those crystals are by your microphone.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Too many crystals. You guys, things are short circuiting and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on, but yes, I mean, I,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, I, I had never thought
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: about like writing, um, a book or anything before.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: And then I had, a.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: Reading a couple of years ago and the woman that
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: was doing my reading, like that was like the number
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: one thing that she said. And then she, and then
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: now I've just been like making so many connections with
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: all these publishing houses and all these other amazing writers.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: And now like the wheels are turning. So, you know, maybe.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe I just have to like figure out like what that,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: like what that thing is, you know?
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: Do it.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, figure out what it is you, I think
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: writing a book is just like, well, what do I
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: want to say?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: How, how do I say it correctly? And write it down.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: Get as close to that as you can. And then it's,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you, it's a horrifying experience, right? I think that's.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Why I'm not super excited about it. Cause it sounds like,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: like everybody says the same thing. Yeah.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: Because by the time you finish your book, you want
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: to go back and start over because your ideas have changed,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: but you can't give a deadline. You have, you know, you,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: if you do that endlessly, you'll never publish your book.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: So it's like you write a book and you probably
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: hate it at the end, but you're still very proud
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: of it. It's such a weird feeling. That's exactly how
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: I feel right now. I'm so excited for my book
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: to come out. I'm like, I'm so terrified for my
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: book coming out. So I'm so proud of it. I
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: also hate it so much. Oh my gosh. Like there's
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: so many things I wish I could have said just
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: a little bit differently or like, Oh, if I just,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: I could have, I could have expanded on this more.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: I could have, you know, but you can't get to
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: that point until you've written the book.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's other people that have like different experiences,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: of course. And I have books and they, and they like,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: like love the whole process. But I think, you know,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't grow up like I, like writing has never
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: been other than like chart notes, like writing and like journaling,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: but like writing has not been a big part of
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: what I do in my life. So it's like a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: whole nother skill, you know? And I think that's a
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: thing too.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: And that's one of the things where I feel like
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: with my book that I'm where I'm most self-conscious is
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: that I'm, I don't write in prose. I'm not a
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: fucking poet. I'm a dude with ideas and I try
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: to explain them the best I can, you know, but
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: I love when I read books, I'm like, Oh my God,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: this writing is beautiful. And they're so good at explaining
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: their ideas and everything's flows. I don't think my book does.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: I think my book explains what it's there to explain
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: in a very mechanical way. I am happy with it.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I'm really happy with the artwork I did for it.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: But I wish I had that ability just to write,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: like the natural writing ability that some people have. I
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: don't have that.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe it can.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Be cultivated over time. I'm sure you have more books
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: than you.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, for sure. I've got two more planned already.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's awesome, dude. Good for you.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: That's really cool.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: I told Nick this already because I spent the majority
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: of my adult life, I was a professional chef. It's
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: all people don't know about me. That was my major thing.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: But now I want to do a book of, like,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: kitchen witchery. Yeah. And, like, magic. I'm going to call
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: it the Bistronomicon.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Wow, that sounds so cool.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: That would be so great. That's fucking sick. Something like that, yeah.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: That would be fun.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Heck, yeah.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: When he told me about that, I was like, oh,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: are you serious with this? Because I'm, like, thinking, I'm like,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: I hope it wasn't a joke. Because I was like,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: this actually said that.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: He said that. I was like, yes.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: I'm fairly certain that the thing that I am best
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: at in the world and more so than magic is
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: that I make the best gumbo on planet earth. Okay.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: Come fight me. Cause I learned to make it at
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: the best restaurant in new Orleans before hurricane Katrina. So yeah,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have a piece of that culture that
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: is irreplaceable and, and you know, not to toot my
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: own horn here, but like I said, it was my
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: job to make the gumbo with the best restaurant in
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: new Orleans and I did it better than everyone else. So,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: now how is that restaurant?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: Does that restaurant still exist now?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: It's one of the most famous restaurants in the world.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to name names, but, uh, yeah, big deal.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, maybe off, off, offline here. Yeah. In October.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: And I'm trying to tell you lots of stuff.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: Tell me because we're going, we're heading there. Um, I'm
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: going to attend the and rice vampire ball. And, um,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: we're just taking the whole family for Halloween because I
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: can't leave my kids on Halloween. And we're just trying
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: to line up like where we want to eat and
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: That is cool.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I hope you have a great time.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you where to go and where not to go.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Cause I'm a foodie, but I am not a kitchen witch.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: Microwavable macaroni and cheese. Um, I never combined those two
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: things up until the idea for this book, because to me,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: being a professional chef was about art.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: It was a hundred. And I was like, I was
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: 16 hours a day, like screaming at people, high end cooking,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: like that, that shit you see on TV is nothing
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: compared to the real thing. He's like a fucking pussycat
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: compared to some of the people I worked with.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: And, um, Then for me, witchcraft was this whole completely
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: separate thing and the two never came together. And they
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: still don't until this one recipe, this recipe for gumbo,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: which is best made in a cast iron cauldron. I'm like,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: now I feel that there's something really worth combining here.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: I can see you. I see a visual of you
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: standing over this really amazing cast iron and just... you've
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: got like a robe on and like, like a velvet
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: cape rope, mixing it up and there's just steam coming
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: out and you're just like.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Ah, there's an alchemist over here.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Yes. There's bubble alchemy happening.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. Magic about it too, because I've, I've
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: watched people try to make this particular recipe and fail
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: miserably over and over and over again because it requires
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: so much patience and If you're going to make a
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: dark brown roux, which is just butter and flour cooked together,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: without burning it and keeping it even, it's like risotto.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: You've got to stand over that pot for 30 minutes stirring,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: or it's going to either burn or not be the
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: color you want.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: A lot of patience.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Do you want to do another one, or
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: we could wrap it up? It depends with you, Ashlyn.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going to share one more because it's my favorite.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: I love to share a favorite, and I just acquired
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: this particular piece of dioptase recently. And I just love dioptase. It's,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: I think, kind of like the malachite. It's a copper-based mineral,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: and copper-based minerals, I just find them extremely enchanting. And
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: when I first... learned about dioptase I'd never even heard
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: of it before I was just like watching like a
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: crystal live stream like of a sale and I was
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: like what is that what is that and then I
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: was like I need to get that and then I've
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: had this like strong attraction to it but um it's
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: uh you know it's it's not one that's it's kind
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: of fragile and it doesn't really make great jewelry but
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: it's a very beautiful showy piece and it's kind of
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: and it's not that common you don't you can't just
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: usually they'll maybe have like one piece in a crystal
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: shop or something. It's, it's not something that you can
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: get like tumbles of or anything. But for me, it
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: just is like this stone of like, just tell your truth,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: be yourself, own who you are, who cares what everybody says.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: And I just think it's just really stunning.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: It's beautiful.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: I only have a couple pieces of it because that's
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: all I can afford.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: So does it have any of that similar vibe to Malachite?
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: That intensity?
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. It's really more of like... For me,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: it has a much more subtle energy. It's really like...
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Kind of like this stone of healing and forgiveness. I
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: see that too for myself. It was a stone that
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: came to me during a dark time. And it just
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: kind of reminded me that I.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be okay. Everything's going to be good.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't have that intensity like the Malachite.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe that'll be my new favorite crystal then. Cause it's beautiful.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing that I was really attracted to
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: about Malachite was that beautiful green color.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: And so maybe this will be the next thing. I
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: really wish, sorry, go ahead.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: What do you wish? Well, I wish maybe, and maybe
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: this is going to be possible because what makes a
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: crystal a crystal is that it has a set atomic pattern.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: It's stable, right?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: Like you were saying, and it repeats over and over again.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: I wonder if there will ever come a point where
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: we can look at the atomic structure of a crystal
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: and determine the effects it will have based on mapping
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: out through geometry.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Yes. I would assume, yeah, something like that.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: That would be so cool.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: That would be so cool.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or if you don't like the color and just
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: the structures inside the crystals.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And we can do that to an extent now
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: with like color. But again, like you got to base
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: it on observation. I would just love to turn this
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: into like a hard science.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Me too. I love that. It's really interesting.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's like a really big thing
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: for me is just like really understand the science behind
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of it and not just like the woo
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: side of it. Because to me, I'm a scientist to
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: begin with. And then all of this other, you know,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: I think that that science was my first love when
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: I was a kid. I was always just like that
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: nerdy kid that couldn't wait for chemistry class. Um, And,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: you know, I love that side of it because to me,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: if I understand the science of it, then I can
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: understand the spirituality even more. And so maybe dioptase is
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: your new favorite. You know, I love emerald too. Emerald
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: is that is, is I love anything that's green, the
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: green stones and there's not a lot of them. The
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: it's usually the malachite, the dioptase and the emerald. Those
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: are like top three for me. But something about the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: copper based minerals is very interesting too. Um, but yeah, I,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You gotta, you gotta see, you gotta,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: you gotta replace, you got rid of all your Malachite.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe you need something else to fill back in. You
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: have some.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: Space behind you that.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Needs something showy, just like a little showy, just a
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: little showy piece back there.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: And something to put in my, you know, something to
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: put in my, in my pouch too, that just kind of,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: and I really believe this. It's like, if you're feeling
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: like there's something missing in your life, it's probably a crystal.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: It's probably, Oh my God, that is so quotable. There's
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: something that's probably a crystal.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. A little, little, like fill that gap
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: at least temporarily. Right. It'll bring in whatever vibration you're
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: kind of, you're missing.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to write that down. I'm going to quote you.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: You know, I, uh, I don't think all minerals are green,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: but I do find what's interesting is that, uh, with copper, um,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: You know, when it oxidizes, it even turns green itself.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: And even when it comes down to the Kabbalistic tree
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: of life, there's a green sphere, Netzach, and.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Venus could go there. And it's green sphere.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: And then if you attribute like the metal for Venus,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: that would be copper again. So I just do find
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: like that even like interesting right there. So I was like,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: you're even seeing kind of like that, even the color
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: matching up in magic with copper and green.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: But it has to oxidize in order for that to happen.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I find it interesting.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: There's so many interesting things. I mean, you could talk
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: about this stuff forever and barely just get started.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that stone. Can I see it again
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: real quick?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: It kind of reminds me of what malachite would look
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: like if it was like a crystal instead of like a.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: This, this stone was interesting because usually, um, a piece like,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, for dioptase, this is kind of like a
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: larger specimen. I mean, I've seen bigger ones and those
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: are like thousands and thousands of dollars, but I, um,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: was at the San Francisco crystal fair and dioptase was not,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: I only had like a few stones that I wanted
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: to get. Cause I'm like very particular about what I'm
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: getting at this point. And, um, I walked up to
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: this table and that piece was sitting there and it
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: was so affordable. And I was like, wow, what's going
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: on with that? And they let the, the couple that
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: ran this, their business, they were like, we've had this
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: particular piece for years. It's just been sitting. It's just been,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: we haven't brought it out, but we decided to bring
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: it out this time. And I was like, oh my gosh,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: like it was totally meant for me. It's been waiting
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: for me and it's coming home right now. No questions asked. Like,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Because they're like, yeah, we're releasing it at the original
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: price that we would have normally sold it for years
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: ago when we acquired it. Normally, something like this would
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: be far more expensive. And I was like, oh, wow, okay.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: Guys, I just found on Etsy for $ 38, and I'm
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: buying it, a dioptase necklace. Do it.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Give yourself some big crystal energy.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, this is beautiful. This is so cool.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Get yourself some.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: Big crystal energy.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I've gotten those things off of Etsy before. Actually, is
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: there a lot of, like, the reason I used to
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: use it, I'm assuming it's probably the same thing as you.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: You get, like, a lot of actual real practitioners selling shit.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: For everything.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Like, real witches.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: For everything.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: Etsy is so great. There's also a staff. like a
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: wizard staff. Oh yeah. Like a wooden one that I'm,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not going to splurge on it's hundreds
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: of dollars, but like when I can, I've got it
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: saved in my basket.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Nice. I love that. I just bought a beautiful last,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: last weekend. Um, where I live, I live sort of near, um,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Sacramento and California and there's not, I didn't think that
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: there was a big magical community here, but I was
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: proven wrong because I was, uh, went to this event
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: last Friday night and there was a woman there and
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: she forges like all of her, um, her, uh, limp,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: like tree, like tree branches. And she made these beautiful, um,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: like this beautiful wand. And I was like, Oh my gosh,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: I have to bring this home because it was just,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: it was just so interesting and beautiful and like affordable.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: And I love supporting small businesses and, especially the ones
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: where they're actually going out and foraging for these things themselves.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: And it just has like such a cool energy and
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: just to make those connections with local people. Cause you know,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to find local community and sometimes it can
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: feel really lonely to find your people.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: It really can. I live in like Alberta in the
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: middle of nowhere and It's rough. She's kind of in
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere. I live in a town. I
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: just moved to a bigger town, but the town I
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: was living in had a couple thousand people. No Walmart,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: no McDonald's, nowhere. Where I live now, still no Walmart.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: We do have a McDonald's, though. That's like a big upgrade.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised. I'm surprised no McDonald's actually does.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: It, too.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: I was using it as a metric for how small
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: the place is.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: I guess, right? Yeah, right?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: It's a long story, but I do, but I mean, I,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: it's one of the things that's been really hard for
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: me lately is that the three years I've lived here, I, I,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: you know, everyone here is trucks and cowboys. Like that's,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: this is the Texas of Canada, which is not my vibe. Um,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: but I just met someone the other day who, isn't
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: all the same stuff. And that to me, it's so funny.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: Cause like I met this person right at the end
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: of the eclipse season. Of course, of course that's how
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: it works.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's sometimes it's like, you don't need
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: to have a big community, but sometimes it's nice to
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: just have like.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: Local friends connection to anything. And not having that as
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: the worst, but I'm from California. So I know what
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: you mean. San Francisco is fantastic. for, for metaphysical stuff.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: I'm from Santa Cruz, which is also fantastic for the
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: metaphysical kind of stuff.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: I'm literally in the process of working on my three-year manifestation,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: a plan of getting a house in Santa Cruz and
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: moving there.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, I grew up there. I love it. It's
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: such a wonderful place. Look, um, you know, if you're
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: going to move to Santa Cruz County, I'll tell you
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: where the place you want to be, in my opinion,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: is La Selva beach.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: Smaller. It's a little bit less expensive. It's in between
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: like Watsonville and downtown. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great area.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: I'm open.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I'm open.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: Like I'm open to like that whole kind of like
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: that range there. I don't even mind people up a
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: little bit into the forest area a little bit. I
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: just want to be closer to the ocean.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: There's another wonderful area kind of out in the woods. Yeah.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: I just want to have that proximity to like the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: ocean and the forest.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: And I can be both in the same way. You
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: can't beat it. Oh, my God. So I went to
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: Aptos High School where we're like the beach and the
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: redwood forest are the same place. Oh, wow. It's so beautiful.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: That is fucking awesome.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: So wonderful.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been able to stay focused. I couldn't
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: go to college at somewhere like.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: I miss it so much.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: I couldn't. I went to college at the University of Kansas.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: So I was out like I had a hard time
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: staying focused in the middle of a cornfield. So there's
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: no way I could have been focused living near the beach.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: It's, it's the best place in the world. You get
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: the best Mexican food, which is like something I really
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: miss living in Canada. We don't have that here. Right.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: You get the beach and it's, and it's the Pacific ocean.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: So it's like a beach. You can like, if you,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: I love surfing. So to me that was ideal.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: And then you get the Redwood forest right there. And
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: it's also somehow, especially Santa Cruz, despite all that still maintains,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: it's like small town vibe.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: It does. And it's still got that quirkiness, even though
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: you're really close to the Bay area where like all
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: the high, like the tech and all that stuff is
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: going on. It still has that, that.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: And downtown is just like reeks of dog Champa from
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: all the shops. It's funny.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: So stay tuned. My manifestation plan is going to work.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: Three years. Drawing the line in the sand. It's happening.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: It's happening. You got this. All right. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Was there anything else you wanted to add about that one?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: We were pretty much done with that one, right, Ashley? No,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much. This was a blast. This
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: was great. good fucking time. Thank you, Sondra. I had
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: a really good time today.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I would love to connect more off the
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: podcast and hear about all your offerings because they sound
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: very interesting in your book and all of that.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you all about New Orleans too.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Please tell me all about New Orleans. I'll be heading back.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's some good information right there. That's definitely a
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: place I want to go to at some point in
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: my life too.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so great and I love that city.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Have you ever had anyone on your podcast that is
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: like a vampire vampire vampire or vampire specialist or do
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: you have you ever gone down that.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: That route not really i would love to yeah it
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: sounds um yeah i would love to.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: Okay well i have a guest coming on soon so
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: if if i find that she's like really like super
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: amazing and legit which i feel like she's definitely going
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: to be super amazing and legit i will i will
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: let you.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: Know for sure you know who i had on who
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: i mean i don't i don't know if it's the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: same thing if this counts, but, uh, Oh God, it
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: was Celeste Mott.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: She was like, yeah, she's awesome.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, she was in some sort of like, what,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: Anne Rice?
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: The Y2K vampire.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that was wild.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: I was just like, yo, what the fuck? Yeah.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, she's, she's a gangster too.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: She's a gangster too, for sure.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like her. She's nice. Um, yo, I love,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I'll forget about it. I'm not going to get into it.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: Some of her posts cracked me the fuck up.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: Um, All right, I'll let everybody plug this stuff. Sanre, please,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: let everybody know what's going on with you and wherever
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: they can find your classes, whatever you got going on,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: your Discord.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: Find everything at www.theorderofchaosmagic.com. I'm actually going to transition that,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: by the way, to chaoswitchcraft.org in the near future. Because
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: of that departure, what I do isn't technically Chaos Magick.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: My book is called Chaos Witchcraft. You can pre-order it now.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: It'll be out. It'll be shipping on October 2nd. So
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: we're getting very close. I teach, I have a full
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: program where you can come and learn almost everything you
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: want to know about magic and esoteric philosophy. I bring
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: in guest teachers all the time. I do live lecture
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: every Tuesday, live Q & A every Sunday, new content
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: every week. And the great thing about TOC, the Order
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: of Chaos, which is the name of my organization, is
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: that we don't care who you are or where you're
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: from or what you're into. It doesn't matter as long
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: as you treat everyone in the community with kindness and
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: dignity and respect. We're not a cult. We're not a religion.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: I don't want to tell you what to believe. I
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: just share the information as I have it. And you
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: can do with it whatever you want. And we have
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: this really amazing supportive community. and it's awesome. I love
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: what I'm building. Uh, and we'd love to have you there.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: And anyone who's watching this, listening, come check it out.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: It's 35 bucks a month to join. Um, or you
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: can get an annual pass for 200, which is like
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: 50% off more than 50% off. Uh, and I, I
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: do everything I can to make sure that all of
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: my students feel like that money is extremely well spent
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: and it helps build the organization.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I've heard really good things about it. Like
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, you seem pretty legit.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: I try.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: I've really heard a lot of good things about this dude. Awesome.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: Doing my best. It's not always easy. I do my best. I,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: you know, I, I try to, I just, my whole
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: thing is that this shit saves my life and I
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: want to facilitate that experience for other people. Because I
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: was really unhappy for only a long period. And then astrology, numerology, tarot,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: and magic, like, made me a happy person. Yep. Made
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: me a better person.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: I feel that. It's amazing, right? Yeah, that's some awesome stuff, dude.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming on, Sarai. Always appreciate it.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: Always have a blast with you. And Ashley, I'm sure
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: we'll get you on again. We got more crystals we
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: could talk about, so we could always get you back
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: on again.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: There's thousands.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: So I'm sure, you know, if you don't mind, we'll
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: have you on in the future. But please let everybody
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: know again what is up with you and.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Where they can find all your amazing stuff.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah. Check me out, Big Crystal Energy Podcast.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: And I have my website, bigcrystalenergy.com. And I am also
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: pretty much just on Instagram at bigcrystalenergy.ash. And I would
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: love to chat. All things magical. It doesn't have to
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: just be crystals. Yeah. I'm open for anything.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Definitely go check out her podcast.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: I'm weird on all senses.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: I would say, you know, a lot of the stuff she,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: if I, my opinion, if people like a lot of
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: what's covered on this podcast, they'll for sure like the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: stuff she talks about on hers.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: So for real, go check her stuff out.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: And you do different things too, which I think is great. Yeah.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: It's not just crystals. We do that, but we have, um,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: I'm excited too, because next year I kind of divide my,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: I have like seasons, but mostly it's just based on
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: the year next year. I'm going to really be focusing
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: on divination, lots of different types of forms of divination
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: and glamor magic. Those are going to be kind of
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: like the two over marching overarching themes of the year.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: So I'm really excited. And if anyone is a glamor
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: magician or has like a really interesting type of divination
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: that they do, reach out because I am really interested
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: in featuring lots of different kinds of folks that are
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: doing those different things.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: That's so cool because, you know, divination is such an
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: area where there's so much to get into. And I don't,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: I stick with my tarot cards.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: They work.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? But I'm fascinated by other
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: types of divinations. I would love to hear about that also. Yeah.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: It'll be really fun. I have like some things like
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: different people that I'm working on, but there's a lot
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: of types of divination out there that I'm not really
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: sure how I'm going to find guests for it, but
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: I know it will.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: I've had a few recent accounts, which I thought was
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: wild because I really haven't come across it in years.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: And all of a sudden I'm like, what's up with
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: all the glamor, which is following me. And some of them, uh,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: have a pretty well-known presence.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: And I think they do on go on podcasts as well.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: So I got to send them over to you. Yeah.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: I would love that. Yeah.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's so wild. I'll just recently I've noticed like,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: you're a chat.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: You're, I mean, you're pretty much a glamorous guy.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: I can feel that.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: I can see why they're. I can see why they're.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: You're funny. Oh, yeah, but I was just. I don't know.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe they heard, I don't know. Who knows? They heard
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: a show and came across me somehow. You're funny.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Right on, yeah. I'm open to it because I definitely.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I could for sure send you.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Different people's perspectives, you know?
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, yeah, Ashley, again, thank you very
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: much for coming on. Like I said, in the future,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll get you back on for another few crystals.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: I think that could be really cool. Try to get
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Sunrite back on, uh, Sunrite with us as well.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I would love to just get into the, the, um,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: can you do a whole episode with that piece of
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: Labrador that you have, like the crystal ball scrying in
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: general as a topic.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: I could even nerd out in parts of that.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a guess that I'm really thinking of
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: to come on and speak to that.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: My personal belief is that there's really something to the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: round shape that gives... I mean, you can't... It enhances something,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: and I don't know how, but I think that either
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: convex or concave... mirrors or reflective surfaces have different effects.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: Nostradamus looked into a curved obsidian bowl of water to
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: do his trying. And so if a concave gives you
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: visions of the future, does then convex let you see
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: the past? I wonder. I want to know.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: Inquiring minds.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: That's even like there's been architecture and then we'll close
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: it up. I'm not trying to run off with this.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: But there's architecture that I was showing that depending on
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: how the pillars are done with convex and concave things,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: you've got totally different reverberation and different tones you get
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: fucked with differently.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: And you're like, yo, do these mofos know that? Wow.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: Dude, you know that in Derinkuyu, the underground system of caves,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: there are chambers in there where if you hum, it'll
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: create a perfect 432 hertz frequency that resonates with the earth.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's wild.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: Right? And they're 100,000 years old.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: That's wild.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: Where did we go wrong? Even churches. There are churches
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: out there with such unbelievable properties.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah. I've been covering that recently. I've been
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: covering Christian churches.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude. How did we forget this stuff? That's a question.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: How did we just forget all the... You guys realize... Sorry,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: I know we're trying to end here.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: We are living in the one.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: Teeny tiny slice of human history where we have forgotten
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: that this shit is real the rest of our history
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: everybody knew everybody knew astrology everybody knew about crystals everybody
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: knew about magic.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: So why are we why are we acting like it's
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: not real why are we acting like it's not.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: Real yeah if this is all history this much of
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: it is when we didn't believe in this stuff and
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: you know what the sad thing is?
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: A lot of times it's out of fear. Yeah, totally.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: Or, I mean, look, I don't like to be a
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theorist. I think it's bad for your brain. But
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: there are also some conspiracies that are definitely true.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, you're right.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: There is. The pushing out of esoteric wisdom, it was
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: done very intentionally.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: That's, I think, the problem with being a conspiracy theorist
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: now is because you automatically start becoming like some satanic
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: panic fucking nut job.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Everybody's screwing kids and worshiping Satan.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: You probably have no idea.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. We got
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: to talk about that, though. Because you know what, man?
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: Because I should just get out of here.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: For years, I defended that kind of thing and said, oh,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: the satanic panic. But a lot of it wasn't horseshit.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, I know, I know.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: Recently, it came out about Michael Aquino, particularly, that I
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: want to talk about.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I've actually had people on the show.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Years ago, it was a little bit more conspiratorial. And
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: I have had people come on that have not painted
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: him in a good light at all. And then I've
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: even had people from the Temple of Set come on. Really?
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: I had two people from the Temple of Set come on, too.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: I wasn't grilling them. They were here on a topic
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: or a book. I had Stephen Flowers on for, what
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: did he do?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, that guy. Runes.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: And then I had, I forgot the other guy's name,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: Toby Chappelle. Come on. He was like the grandmaster of
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: that inner order that they have. The temple of said
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: has a trapezoid or whatever. He was like the grandmaster
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: of that too.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm like sitting there thinking like, I wonder if
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: they've ever listened to this shit we've talked about with Michael.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, honestly, man, like there's a great YouTube channel.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: It's like my, kind of my new favorite channel called
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: America's strangest history. And he did a deep dive on
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: Michael Aquino that completely changed my perspective about all of that.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Yo, he was kind of like the king of propaganda, dude.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: Fuck that guy.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate to say it. Yeah, yeah. I mean,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: I've covered it before, and I've kind of gotten off
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: the conspiracy stuff. But, yo, that guy.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: That guy, man. Yeah.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Yo, but, like, not to discredit.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: That shit right there should even show you how much
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: of the mind and how serious a real magician could
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: actually be.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: He's a good example of like how I don't think
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: people really take that shit serious. And here we are
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: as a cult is taking that serious.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: See, the thing about it to me is like if
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: you get deeply in. So I'm going to make so
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: many people mad right now. I don't care. It's fine.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: But if you get so deeply involved with that left
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: hand path stuff. So much of it is based on aesthetics.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: It just shows you for who you really are. If
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: you think the coolest thing in the world is black
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: magic because it has that evil connotation to it about it,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: you might be kind of an evil person. There's exceptions
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: to this. I don't want to make this clear because
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not here to talk shit about my friends. For example,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: Orly Stewart is one of the most amazing, magical minds
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: in the world today, and I think she's an absolutely
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: wonderful person, and she works with that kind of stuff.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with that. But it's like... a lot
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: of people that are just like super into upside down
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: pentagrams and, and being edgy and listening to fucking death
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: metal in their mom's face. You know, it's, it's like
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: they get involved with this stuff and they think it's so,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: it's so cool. And it's, I don't know. It's a,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: to me, that mentality is pure victimhood. It's like, uh,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, Same thing for, I'm a Star Wars fanatic.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: I love Star Wars. But one of the things that
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: I hate is when people pretend like Vader is the
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: hero of the story. Vader killed kids. You fucking retard. Like, like.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: Yo, did you forget that?
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he just slayed. Dude, so much of the Star
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: Wars fandom is like, yeah, Anakin was the good guy. No,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: he wasn't, you dipshit. Anakin is a warning. The story
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: of Anakin is why you need to be a person
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: who has emotional regulation.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely unchecked.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Pisces, without it, you are capable of incredible evil.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: Yo, that motherfucker can scare an Ares. You know what
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: Dude, seriously, Pisces is the scariest Zodiac sign, honestly. But,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: you know, the whole... The point of... Even George Lucas
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: himself said, like, the story of Star Wars is the
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: tragedy of Darth Vader. He's not the hero.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Yo, yeah, yeah, no, no.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: You know what's kind of wild is that I did
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: always get that a lot out of that whole series
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: was like, what the fuck actually happened to that dude?
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: Like, he got all fucked up. Dude, it's... Like, his
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: story is actually, like, fucked.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know if George Lucas intended this, but the.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: Correspondence, a correlation between the story of Anakin and the
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: story of Lucifer is like, get on. Look at that
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: scene in Revenge of the Sith when Anakin's marching on
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: the Jedi Temple with the 501st behind him and they're
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: going to annihilate all the Jedi. That's the story of
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: Lucifer's war on heaven.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. I never really looked at it like that.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: That's wild, man.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: But the crazy thing is, up until then, Anakin was
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: the Jesus figure.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: Immaculate conception, the chosen one, all this stuff. Right. And then,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: and then this, what was clearly allegory for a Christ
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: figure immediately becomes allegory for a Lucifer figure. And then
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: if you, I'm so sorry, I'm doing this, everyone. I'm
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: so sorry. I apologize. I'm showing what I'm doing. But
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: if you take that story, right. And then you realize that,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: that the, the, the Christ figure instantly becomes the Lucifer
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: figure and, Hopefully, in your brain, you make some of
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: these connections because both Christ and the actual Abrahamic religion,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: both Christ and Lucifer are the perfect son of God.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: Both Christ and Lucifer get sent down to Earth. They
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: both get punished. They're both called the Morning Star. It's
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: the same guy.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: There's just two different.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: Ways to tell the story. And somehow, and again, I
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: don't know if he did it on purpose, but George
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: Lucas perfectly shoved that into Star Wars.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: That is wild. I've got to watch that shit again
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: and look at it that way. I definitely thought there
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: was a lot of occultism in it.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: Dude, the Force, that's just consciousness.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: Come on. The electricity coming out of the fucking dude.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: It's the Tao. It's Kia. It's whatever. You call it Prana.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: That's why I even think when you get far up,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: that guy with the electricity, that's just raw energy. Yep.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: And you keep that shit unchecked, you turn into Darth
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: Vader and you start killing kids.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And it's a story about attachments, too. Like,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: Anakin was so attached to Padme and to Obi-Wan and
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: everything that you become this monster if you don't regulate yourself.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: I should do a whole episode on this. Like immediately.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: I feel like I've already said way too much. I
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: got to stop.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like he could go on for days.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Yo, but for real, Sunray, we should do a show
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: about this. I'm dead ass.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: I would love to nerd out on occultism one time.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Your people would love this so much. All right. All right.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: All right. All right. It's time.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, we're going to wrap it up again. Thank you, Sunray.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Alicia. I very much appreciate you. Alicia, Ashley,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 4: thank you very much.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: That's okay. Yeah. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: very much for coming on. I really do appreciate it.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: I had a blast.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: No, no, for real. We'd like to do maybe like
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: two or three.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: I just pre-ordered your book. Okay.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: I'm very excited.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, I got to tell the book company I moved
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: because I think they were going to send me a
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: book of yours anyway.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: Fuck. Add it to the list. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. I
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: haven't told any of the publishers that I deal with
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: that I've moved. I don't know if they've sent books
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: to the old address.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: Shit. Oh, well.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Thank you, everybody in the chat as well. That's
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: what's up. There was a bunch of people in there.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: Looked like some new faces, too. I appreciate that. Yeah.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: Or a couple of people that seem to be like
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: new recently in the last week. That's what's up.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you seeing you coming back and checking it out.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: Hope you enjoyed it. And until the next one.