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Chuck & Buck 12-22 Hour 3: Mike Sando, CFB playoffs and what happened Mike? · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: It's time for our visit with Mike Sando of The
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  Speaker 1: the horn and call Hunts now with Mike. Here's Chuck
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  Speaker 1: and Buck. Is that the song like back and Yellow
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  Speaker 1: bu and is that?
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  Speaker 2: Is that similar? But it's not? Okay, Yeah, I was.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna say Sandos got Tom there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I don't.
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  Speaker 3: He's a fair He's not a favoritism guy. But anyway,
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  Speaker 3: that would be that would be very Pittsburgh if you
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  Speaker 3: if that was his song that he was coming into. Well, anyways,
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  Speaker 3: welcome back to the program. We got another couple of
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  Speaker 3: hours here with Hugh and and Chuck's on vacation, so
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  Speaker 3: I don't know for sure. I've taken this as a
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  Speaker 3: Christmas present that I obviously was good. Sando, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: back me up on that that, uh, you don't have
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  Speaker 3: to talk to Chuck today and you get to talk
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  Speaker 3: to you Millan.
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  Speaker 4: He you know, I love Chuck, but it's great to
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  Speaker 4: throw Hugh and there we go back a long ways
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  Speaker 4: and we do on the sideline together, he watching practice
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  Speaker 4: and stuff. So I always enjoy hanging with you. It's good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're nerds enjoying the uh, the nexus of
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  Speaker 5: data crunching and football.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, Mike, we've GPT. Makes it too easy
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  Speaker 4: to you. You and I could have a different conversation.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, indeed, we'll, we'll carry it on. But I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to just hit you right now instead of leading you
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  Speaker 5: to a story. What's top of mind from from for
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  Speaker 5: you coming out of the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean went into it with obviously the big
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  Speaker 4: Seattle game, but I thought Jacksonville showed something yesterday and
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  Speaker 4: you know, exposed a little bit of Denver's defense. So
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  Speaker 4: I think that's kind of been a fun year that way,
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  Speaker 4: with you know, some of the usual suspects not there,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And that's why that's why it feels like
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  Speaker 4: there's so many Coach of the Year candidates, because that
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  Speaker 4: awards all based on like what was expected versus what happened,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and there's just a lot of things that
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  Speaker 4: weren't expected as fully. And I thought I thought Jacksonville
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  Speaker 4: flexed pretty good in the in the the afternoon game yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: They really handled Denver, and Denver's defense just doesn't look
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  Speaker 4: that good to me lately. So I thought that was
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  Speaker 4: a big takeaway from.
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  Speaker 3: Yesterday, Well, me being a big Bronco fan, I'm unfortunately
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you that the defense has looked suspect
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  Speaker 3: and kind of capable of being picked apart by some
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  Speaker 3: short passing, and then yesterday they compounded that with some
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  Speaker 3: poor tackling after they weren't having guys covered and and
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  Speaker 3: so what is it that you're seeing with them in
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  Speaker 3: particular that is making you kind of feel like maybe
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  Speaker 3: this is a paper tiger.
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  Speaker 4: So since week eleven, they're the twenty ninth rank defense
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  Speaker 4: and EPA per play that no one knows that you know,
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  Speaker 4: because you sort of get your own recognizance. We know
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  Speaker 4: they're a good defense. They've been good, but Jacksonville's number
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  Speaker 4: one since then, So to me, there was a big
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  Speaker 4: difference between how they're playing lately. The tackling, for sure,
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  Speaker 4: is part of it. I just also think that Denver
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  Speaker 4: has been a fine team, but they've they just not
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  Speaker 4: been a really top team. Even though they've won all
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  Speaker 4: the games in a row there, their point margin, you know,
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  Speaker 4: per victory during their win streak was the lowest for
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  Speaker 4: anyone who's ever won that many games in a row.
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  Speaker 4: So it's great to win those games. But when you're winning,
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  Speaker 4: like Kansas City find out last year, when you'll win
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  Speaker 4: all the close games, it doesn't last forever, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that Denver's just been masked some of
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  Speaker 4: their issues by just happened to have pulled out a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of games that you can't keep pulling out.
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  Speaker 5: And in that division, Kansas City, how much do you
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  Speaker 5: see turnover there? Like what kind of changes do you foresee?
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  Speaker 5: Would you say it's going to be major changes or
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  Speaker 5: is it simply hey, let's get Mahomes knee right and
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  Speaker 5: do what we've always done.
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  Speaker 2: What do you say?
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  Speaker 4: I think they got to be Boulder. I think they
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  Speaker 4: have to be a little bit of a Boulder team.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they've had the Mahomes magic bullet here, and
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  Speaker 4: it's been enough to even when they didn't have a
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  Speaker 4: good defense, or even when they didn't have great receivers,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they would still wind up kind of either
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  Speaker 4: in the championship game or the Super Bowl anyway. And
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  Speaker 4: I think when that happens, it's easy to just keep,
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  Speaker 4: you know, coming back somewhat the same. The times that
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  Speaker 4: they've really reacted strongly was when they got embarrassed. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I think that happened to them with their offensive line
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  Speaker 4: against Tampa Bay and the Super Bowl. They came back
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  Speaker 4: with basically a new line. You know, last year they
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  Speaker 4: got blown out by the Eagles and the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 4: to me didn't make uh, you know, the big moves.
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  Speaker 4: But I think you've got to look around that division
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  Speaker 4: going okay. I mean the Chargers are just sort of
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  Speaker 4: playing their fifth and six tackles and they've won eleven games. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Denver looks like they're going to be at
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  Speaker 4: least a pain in the butt for you know, for
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  Speaker 4: you So I think they've got to. I think they've
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  Speaker 4: got to. You know, they may get a top ten
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  Speaker 4: pick this year, so that could help them. But how
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  Speaker 4: do you use it? How do you maneuver around? Can
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  Speaker 4: you get multiple players? Right? I think we've seen Seattle
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  Speaker 4: do that nicely, and they traded DK Metcalf, they got
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  Speaker 4: im and worry out of it. You know, they've they've been,
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  Speaker 4: you know, making the Shaheed type moves. I think they've
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  Speaker 4: got to get more active in Kansas City and not
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  Speaker 4: just take that pass of income of Patrick Mahomes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. It does. They did not
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  Speaker 2: look good.
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  Speaker 3: Yesterday that's for sure, And yet I don't think anybody
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  Speaker 3: necessarily expected them to coming off of the fact that
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  Speaker 3: they got eliminated for the first time and Mames is
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  Speaker 3: on the sidelines and whatnot. In the NFC, you know,
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  Speaker 3: at this point, basically the Seahawks sitting in pole position,
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  Speaker 3: kind of controlling their own destiny. They earned it in
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  Speaker 3: the way in which they came back in the fourth
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  Speaker 3: quarter on Thursday. Would you right now, would you put
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  Speaker 3: the moniker on them as the best team in the NFL? H?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think that's fair. You know, yah?
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  Speaker 4: Do I think that they if they played the Rams
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  Speaker 4: three times, they would win two of them. I don't know, maygo,
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  Speaker 4: they might, but I feel like the Rams are right
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  Speaker 4: there too with them, I don't think, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they were up thirty to fourteen on Seattle. They picked
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  Speaker 4: them off four times in the game before, so I
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  Speaker 4: think that one's going to be decided a third time,
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  Speaker 4: and I like Seattle's chances'd be in Seattle. But I
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  Speaker 4: don't think it's like, you know, unanimous best team in
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  Speaker 4: the league. I think they're up there. I think I
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  Speaker 4: think Jacksonville has made a move to get into that
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  Speaker 4: realm as well.
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  Speaker 5: Let's stay close to home in that regard. You know,
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  Speaker 5: if if I had an MVP excuse me, Coach of
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  Speaker 5: the Year vote let me say that again, Coach of
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  Speaker 5: the Year vote, I would look at the playoff teams
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  Speaker 5: and I would say, is there something conspicuous about the
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  Speaker 5: challenges that had to be overcome with injuries? Particularly? Is
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  Speaker 5: there something at the quarterback position? And the forty nine
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  Speaker 5: or nobody has had to deal with injuries, including at
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  Speaker 5: the quarterback position like Kyle Shanahan, and it's just crazy.
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  Speaker 5: You feel like they're at some point they are going
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  Speaker 5: to fall off. They have not fallen fallen off. They
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  Speaker 5: could still be the number one seed. What do you
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  Speaker 5: make of down there? And whold? Who should be your
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  Speaker 5: front runner for Coach of the year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if the forty nine ers, you know,
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  Speaker 4: win and get to eleven wins here, I mean I think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's important for the Kyle Shanahan campaign, and
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  Speaker 4: I pretty much thought it would. You know, Vrabel was
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  Speaker 4: probably the most deserving simply because when they came into
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  Speaker 4: this season a lot of people were thinking of them
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  Speaker 4: as a bottom three or four team in the in
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  Speaker 4: the AFC, so they've been, you know, right near the
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  Speaker 4: top or at the top. I think that would be
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  Speaker 4: my probably my favorite. But here's the thing about the
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  Speaker 4: forty mineoners I've heard about this last week. They are
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  Speaker 4: a touchdown better per game on special teams, and that
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  Speaker 4: is a huge, uncontrollable thing. Like where you're making your kicks.
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  Speaker 4: They've made like their first twenty five field goals of
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  Speaker 4: the year. The other teams are missing. There's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of hidden stuff in there that helps you win these
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  Speaker 4: games when you've got guys hurt. So I feel like
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  Speaker 4: at various times this season they've sort of had two
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  Speaker 4: of the three phases going well enough to win, and
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  Speaker 4: if that special teams thing goes away, I think I
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  Speaker 4: think they all have a hard time winning. And so
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  Speaker 4: that's my only thing in the back of my mind
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  Speaker 4: is like when you're a touchdown better than you were
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  Speaker 4: last year in those plays because you're never missing field goals,
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  Speaker 4: your opponents are missing some you know, some of the
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  Speaker 4: return game stuff. I think that stuff comes and goes
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  Speaker 4: a little bit. So I think it's propped them up
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  Speaker 4: a little bit and doesn't take anything away from Kyl Shanahan,
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  Speaker 4: But like that's a huge factor, and we saw it
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  Speaker 4: for the Rams there at the other extreme, they're like
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  Speaker 4: a bottom five special teams team, and that's that's the
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  Speaker 4: only way they can lose. When you're up thirty to fourteen,
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  Speaker 4: you have to have a touchdown drive on a return
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  Speaker 4: that doesn't take any time.
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  Speaker 5: Mike Sando with us, Mike, you Andvite we've compared notes
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  Speaker 5: on Excel and crunching numbers, but special teams doesn't always
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  Speaker 5: get people's interests nor mind. But you just made a
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  Speaker 5: hell of a comment there that the forty nine ers
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  Speaker 5: are getting a touchdown a game advantage in special teams?
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  Speaker 5: How do you arrive at that? Just like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: illuminate our listeners. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 4: So the way you can measure that is that basically
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  Speaker 4: there's an expectation for which team is going to score
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  Speaker 4: next and how many points on every play, right, So
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  Speaker 4: if you have apa So if you have first down
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  Speaker 4: and goal at the one yard line and and you
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  Speaker 4: punch it in, you know that that one play doesn't
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  Speaker 4: give you the six points, right because because first and goal,
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  Speaker 4: anyone's going to score it from there. If you have
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  Speaker 4: a score a touchdown from your own one yard line,
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  Speaker 4: I mean you might the EPA might be a you know,
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  Speaker 4: ten or twelve point swing depending on the down and
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  Speaker 4: distance on it, just because.
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  Speaker 5: That's Gino's pick six last year was like negative twelve,
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  Speaker 5: twelve and a half.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, So if you are so on special teams,
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  Speaker 4: the way that works is, you know, if you uh,
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  Speaker 4: let's just take this the Shaheed return against the Rams,
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  Speaker 4: that play added about five plus points to the XP
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  Speaker 4: and that goes into Special Team's column. So that's a
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  Speaker 4: five EPA play. We all understand that. I mean because
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  Speaker 4: when you're getting when you're getting that, when when they're
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  Speaker 4: lining up to punch and you're gonna get the ball
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  Speaker 4: with decent field position, that probably carries some expectation for
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  Speaker 4: scoring in your next drive, right, I mean, maybe it's
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  Speaker 4: a point or two, but when you run it all
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  Speaker 4: the way back in, it's like, that's five points and
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  Speaker 4: that goes directly to the Special Team. So we can
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  Speaker 4: parse it out that way. And when you do that
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  Speaker 4: on a play by play basis, you get some real
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  Speaker 4: extreme things by the end of the year, where the
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  Speaker 4: Rams are super bad and the Ford Nits are super good. Well,
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  Speaker 4: the Fords were super bad last year.
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  Speaker 5: Actually Number one for a few weeks ago when the
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  Speaker 5: rams were thirty second.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you know what does that mean? Well,
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  Speaker 4: it means Shahid returns it for five points you weren't
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  Speaker 4: expecting to get. And you know that. To me, the
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  Speaker 4: special teams component is sometimes it is a reflection of
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  Speaker 4: like your overall mentality or your roster. Like I feel
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  Speaker 4: like the Legion of Boom era Seahawks. You know they
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  Speaker 4: had Earl Thomas and Tricia Sherman playing on special teams
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  Speaker 4: year you're just kicking button. That's pretty sustainable to be
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  Speaker 4: an awesome special teams group when you have a lot
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  Speaker 4: of guys like that that are Hall of famers or
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  Speaker 4: you know those guys playing on special teams. But for
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  Speaker 4: most teams in this day and age, a lot of
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  Speaker 4: it's driven by the kicker. And we all know that
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  Speaker 4: if your kicker goes cold, you're screwed. You just get
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  Speaker 4: a new one. There's no coach who comes out to
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  Speaker 4: practice and says, hey, keep your left arm straight in
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  Speaker 4: the backswing right, and then you get fixed. These guys
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  Speaker 4: go off the rails and you don't hear from them again,
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  Speaker 4: and then they come back and they're hot for a year. Right.
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  Speaker 4: So the forty nine ers get Eddie Panero after they
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  Speaker 4: used a third round pick on Jake Moody and he
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  Speaker 4: bombed out. They'll ride Panero until he becomes Jake Moody, right,
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  Speaker 4: And so that's the volatility of this and that's what
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  Speaker 4: the Rams are at. They're kicking. They're kicker right now.
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  Speaker 4: You know, They've got a guy that they brought in
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  Speaker 4: through the year. He looks like Craig Arrell out there,
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  Speaker 4: you know, playing for you to Seahawk fans, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And it's just like that's the nature of special teams
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  Speaker 4: for most of these teams. Now, Seattle does have a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of a I think Seattle's got some kind
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  Speaker 4: of vinegar to their roster, Like they got some of
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  Speaker 4: these guys. They get a mentality about him that I
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  Speaker 4: think shows. But if you don't have Shaheed just to
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  Speaker 4: take it all away, then you don't get that play right.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Sando, this is gonna be a maybe a hot
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  Speaker 3: button topic.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, DK Metcalf, I'm sure you saw that whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the dude is an absolute beast when
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  Speaker 3: it comes to what he's capable of. And yet there's
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  Speaker 3: times where you're like what are you thinking. That's another
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  Speaker 3: one yesterday where he ends up kind of trying to
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  Speaker 3: take a swipe and a fan. That's got to be
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  Speaker 3: they're going to suspend him for that, wouldn't you imagine?
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  Speaker 4: I would think so. Now, I've have heard some people say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of times, that's a that type of thing's
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  Speaker 4: a fine or whatever. I don't I don't know what's
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  Speaker 4: going to happen in the league. You can't always figure
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  Speaker 4: him out. But I would think you got to draw
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  Speaker 4: a pretty hard line there right against making contact with
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  Speaker 4: or threatening man or to a fan. I think it's
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  Speaker 4: a would be a positive thing for the league if
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  Speaker 4: there was a high price right here in the playoffs stretch,
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  Speaker 4: just because players. Everyone's got to know that's a that's
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  Speaker 4: a no no. You know, that's that's messing with things,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the the brand and the and the way
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  Speaker 4: people feel about the league.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know. Another thing, Green Bay, what's what's
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  Speaker 5: going on with Jordan Love there? What do you make
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  Speaker 5: of that? Of course, Michael Parsons they made the big acquisition.
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  Speaker 5: He's out for the year. But that's another team that
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  Speaker 5: you know that they're right now, they're the last wild
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  Speaker 5: card entrant. But what's your assessment of them?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of things. One in the context of that
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  Speaker 4: division has changed, you know, I just Ben Jonson's got
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  Speaker 4: to going. They've got some I mean, Dan Campbell, they're
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  Speaker 4: having their issues, but he sort of has an ethos
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  Speaker 4: to them. I feel like there's some teams in that
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  Speaker 4: division who have liked their head coach as much or
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  Speaker 4: more as Green Bay likes theres and get more personality
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  Speaker 4: from their guy that Green Bay does. That's an interesting
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  Speaker 4: big picture thing to me when you talk about the
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  Speaker 4: totality of the team. I think their roster's been great,
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  Speaker 4: but they've been super young, and I think you get
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  Speaker 4: inconsistency with that. Now you take away you know, Michael Parsons,
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  Speaker 4: I think that's huge because they've always been this team.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care, you know, if it was Rogers or
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  Speaker 4: far now Jordan Love where there. They're vitals on offense
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  Speaker 4: when their quarterbacks healthy are really good. But there's always
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  Speaker 4: something in the defense, or the and or the special
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  Speaker 4: teams that comes up to buy them. And I feel
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  Speaker 4: like that's still their team. You know, we saw it.
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  Speaker 4: They get had an onside kick. It's impossible to recover
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  Speaker 4: an onside kick nowadays, guys, right, I mean they land
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  Speaker 4: up for an onside kick, you're like, yeah, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: go take a bathroom break. It's just like a little
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  Speaker 4: and who gets it on them? If you had to
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  Speaker 4: pick one team before this weekend, who would allow an
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  Speaker 4: onside kick recovery to help lose the game? You'd pick
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  Speaker 4: Green By right, We've seen it happen before, and it's like,
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  Speaker 4: to me, there's some issue with that. With the roster construction.
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  Speaker 4: They've tried, hiring a good special teams coach all of that.
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  Speaker 4: Is it a mentality, a roster construction, a combination of
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  Speaker 4: those things. Matt Lafleur just made it sound like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: it's bad luck a couple of special teams plays. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they were sort of poking around it if he was gonna,
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  Speaker 4: you know, make a change, like Sean McVay didn't fire
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  Speaker 4: the coach. But it's always something with them.
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  Speaker 3: To me, yeah, it does like it did feel like
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  Speaker 3: it's always something with them.
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  Speaker 2: All right. I got one more for you before we
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  Speaker 2: got a break.
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  Speaker 3: If you got a vote MVP, who's your MVP of
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  Speaker 3: the league at this point?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think it's probably I do have
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  Speaker 4: a vote, you know, but I think Stafford's had a
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  Speaker 4: really great season. Now, you know, he doesn't have a
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: lot of the rushing production, but to me, that's almost
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: more impressive when you've got to do it all with
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: your armor. I think he's been outstanding. I think they've
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: been probably the most consistent offense in the league this year. So,
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: you know, I have thought that Drake May and even
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: at different times Josh Allen have a case for that.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: But to me, Stafford's probably a leader in the clubhouse.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I would imagine too. I was Drake May
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: with the way he was playing last night, and I mean,
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: it just seems odd to me. This season seems weird
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: where there's all these teams that are twelve eleven, you know,
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: even tens, and yet nobody's really kind of just surfaced
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: as the clear cut favorite, even though maybe the Rams
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: have been the one that have done it the most
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: and they got the biggest name at quarterback. Maybe that's
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: where I would be, So I'm with you on that. Well,
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: thanks Sando. I appreciate you. Got any any fun plans
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  Speaker 3: for Christmas?
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: We do, Yeah, we're gonna have you know, now that
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: our boys are older, you know, there's work schedules involved
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: and all kinds of stuff, but we've got it all
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: figured out. We're going to have family together and uh uh,
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: really looking forward to it. This is a it is
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: just a great week. And and for an end season
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: work week, it's a great week. Things change, you know,
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: there's people aren't in the office. It's it's nice.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Well, I got the inside track. I was talking to
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Santa for my own kids, and he said, you were
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: good this year, so you should get whatever it was
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: that you sent to him on your list.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: That's a great I thought you were saying I was
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: good this year. I mean I don't get anything because
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: I'm you're good. You know you're good. You don't need anything.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't care how old we get.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: We still need Santa to hook us up, right, and
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: if we were good, good boys and girls.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you were, he gave.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: He gave actually two thumbs up, said sand Oh yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: definitely on the nice list. So so congratulations on that,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: and enjoy your Christmas and enjoy your family, man, and
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: we'll talk to you next week.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, appreciate it.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Mike.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Merry Christmas.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: All right, there's Mike Sando.
• 17:17
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• 17:25
  Speaker 3: So you got to get on the horn, and Paul Hunts,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: is that it?
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: That's it, that's it. That's the only horn. Oh, yours
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: is better what I got? Howl horn sounded Viking hornish?
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: Which I got a Viking?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Did it sound Viking horn?
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: That's on a ship on a foggy morning.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: And when I'm looking at you do it doing it? Yeah,
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: I'm taking back about twelve hundred years.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, I don't normally, we don't normally do this zoom thing.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: And I'm realizing doing this thing. You look great, Hugh,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: but I have a lot of white in my beard.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Note is it's the lighting?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Is that what it is? Lighting?
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: They say the camera it's twenty pounds. It adds twenty
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: years to me. So anyway, all right, on the other
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: side of the break here, we're going to dive into
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: We dove into in our first segment a little bit
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: about this, but we're gonna get hughes take a little
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: bit more on the college football playoffs. So up next
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: at Sports Radio ninety three point three kg RFM.
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  Speaker 7: The the season, it was a lot.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of halls being decked right there.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: I didn't even tell you who sings that one because
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: it was just a generic one on the thing we're
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: allowed to use and play everywhere.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a lot.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: They didn't do a bad job with that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: No, I mean I don't. I don't really have a
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I don't have the same list.
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  Speaker 2: That Hume Millan does. By the way, welcome back to
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: We got Humilan sitting in for us today and and bringing,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: you know, deck in the halls with us, and and
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: he'll break down all kinds of Christmas music. I don't
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: really have that. I just kind of like it all
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: when it's when it's time to be played, and then
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I don't like any of it when it's not time
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: to be played.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: Is it time to be played all through December?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I would say yeah, I would say you can even
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: start after Thanksgiving. I just basically I don't know for
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: sure if you know this or not. I I do
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: a show with two people that are very premature on
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: their celebration and at times overly overly celebratory on certain things.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: You know, you know how Chuck is with the draft,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: to the point that even calls it draft. Miss it's
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: not a holiday, it's just a draft, and it's a
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: cool draft. Yeah, he's holiday as well.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I'm wrong then, I mean, everybody else loves it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm gonna stay in my wrong lane.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I think that Christmas stuff happens after Thanksgiving, not before Thanksgiving.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: That's the way that I feel like I'm getting really
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: lumped in here because I did not put up a
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: Christmas tree until the day after Thanksgiving.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't put up a single Christmas ornament this day
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: after abnormal for you.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, typically you put it up in like November sometimes, Yes,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: So you you have lumped yourself in there. Okay, I'll
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: give you credit for holding off until the proper time. Hugh,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: when did you put yours in? Did you put your
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Christmas tree up before?
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: I've always been gotta be after Thanksgiving. This is the
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: first No, this is the first year. It was a
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: late Thanksgiving and I'm like, and my wife wanted to
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: put it up I'm like, hey, A, choose your battles.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't want to.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: I just defer and then be Actually, I kind of
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: liked the idea. I liked the tree and so okay,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: oh yeah, so I'm worth I kind of classical all
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: around the mill at home this.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well you know what else is you got
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: for Christmas? President?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Is you got the college football playoffs, and so we
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: did get our first round games in. I'm not gonna
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: lead you anywhere in particular other than the idea of
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: James Madison versus Oregon holding their own ish against the
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: backups or the guys that Oregon brought in after it
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: kind of got out of hand and Tulane got absolutely
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: whooped up bound it. Do you like the way in
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: which these guys had their opportunity on the big stage.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't like the competition any more than anybody
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: else does. I'm you know, I've got my text blowing up,
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: and I agree with everybody. I mean, I would have
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: much rather seen Notre Dame or Texas in those games.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: But to me, I just I look at the college
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: football Playoff and if they were to try to eliminate
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: group of five teams. You're talking about that is anti
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: competitive collusion, which is a red flag and anti trust court.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: And the NCAAA has already grossly miscalculated and got horrible
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: legal advice in the Allston versus NCAA. Basically that was
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: just pedly little education related compensation like laptops or computers
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: or musical instruments for music majors, like little Piddley stuff.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: And Allston wonted. The NCAA should have just left well
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: enough alone. But the NCAAA appealed it to the appellate court.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: They lost again, and then the NCAAAAA appealed it to
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: the Supreme Court where they lost nine to nothing. So
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: those facts alone should convince you of my claim that
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: they got horrible legal advice. Well, what was the consequence?
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: All the things you don't like about college football? Then nil,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: rampant transferring, revenue sharing, all those things that many fans
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: don't like about it. It was all because the amateurism
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: argument got knocked out by the Supreme Court. And so
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: now on anti trust grounds, let me repeat that, on
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: anti trust grounds, So you want to miscalculate again, and
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: you want to let the group of five bring up
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: a class action suit or a coordinated suit against the
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: college Football Playoff, and the power for what you could
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: have is a situation where you have federal court mandates,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: a total restructuring and greater inclusion. How about not two
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: of those games, but five or six of those games.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: How about revenue distribution? How about triple damages on any
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: financial injury. So I just think I would tell my friends,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: and I did that for me. The best way to
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: handle it. It's not a twelve team playoff. We used
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: to have Nope, no playoff. Nineteen eighty four, Washington Huskies
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: lost eleven sixty to eleven forty to BYU, and it
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: was the closest vote from a percentage of the second
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: team to the first team. It was the closest vote
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: in the history of the AP and the only one
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: that surpassed that in terms of close vote was Washington
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: versus Miami seven years later. But at least Washington won
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: half of the title in that one. So then we
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: went to a two team So we went from NOPE,
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: no teams to a two team BCS. Then we went
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: to a fourteen and that was better, right, A two
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: team bs BCS was better than just voting and then
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: a four team playoff was better than the two team bcs.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: And now we have a twelve team playoff. No, no, no,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: not so fast. We don't have a twelve team playoff,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: a ten team playoff, right, we have a ten team playoff?
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Plus cover your ass and JMU and two Lane or
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: cover your ass, make sure you don't land in anti
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: trust court. Just think of it as a ten. It
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: will probably be it twelve or fourteen or sixteen soon,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: but ten is better than four. And think of it
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: like this, and I can say it real simple. Oregon
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: and Ole Miss gotta buy and they chose to scrimmage,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: just like when Mike Tyson is going to have a fight,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: he has a sparring partner. They just chose to have
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: a sparring partner a scrimmage against JMU and two Lane.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: That's the best way that I would advise to think
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: of it, because I don't like the competition either, But
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: I also don't want to have six of these games
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: and all the other consequences that could come down. So
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: that's my take on those two teams involvement.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I'm with him, I'm with you, and for what it's worth,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: I mean me coming from like a small school of
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: anai school. I'll go to my grave with the idea
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: of I would have loved to have played l Shoes
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: who won the college national championship. I would have loved
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: to have played them, had a chance to see now
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: they might have whooped us. I don't think they necessarily
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: would have whooped us, but they might have beat us.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And typically that's the way that it would be. Is
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: the underdogs, these small, smaller schools are not going to
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: match up against the big dogs, especially now with the
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: guys getting paid the.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Way that they are. And yet I want to give
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: them a chance.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I just don't necessarily want to come at the in
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: a way in which it is right now. Where a
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: couple teams basically, if you had lucked out and got
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the five seed or the six seed, you end up
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: getting to buy and and you know, some of the
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: other teams have tough matchups. Alabamas didn't have a cake walk,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: and neither did the Miami Texas A and M game.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Well, we talked about Alabama and Oklahoma, just touching briefly.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: We're up against the break. You know one thing that
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: the Miami Texas A and M game was I thought
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: a really good game, obviously a defensive struggle. Miami missed
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of field goals where they could have extended
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: the score. But on the other hand, an m they
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: had almost double the first downs, they had more than
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: double the passing yards, they had twenty six more plays,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: more time of possession, Miami controlled the line of scrimmage.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: But that game could have gone anywhere. But I will
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: want to say, you know, the people are going to
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: say secver versus the other conferences. Just keep this in mind.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: ACC had one team in the playoff, Miami. They were
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: playing the number three ranked team. But go look at
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: the seedings of the college football Playoff. The Texas A
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: and M was the third SEC. So I know there'll
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: be conclusions drawn at the end and along the way
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: about how the conferences are doing, But just keep that
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: in mind. That was SEC number three losing to ACC
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: number one in a game that went down to the
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: fifty ninth minute.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I think that the argument.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's an argument if the SEC is
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: a better conference than most of the others, and on
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: any given year, this year might be another one. Yeah, well,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: the Big ten could say, well, we won the National Championship,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: National championship last year, and we got the number one
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: and two teams this year. They could say, well, we're better,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: but top to bottom their top I don't think, yeah,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think that the I don't think there's argument three. Yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think the argument of which conference is better
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: from top to bottom is really even an argument. In
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Texas A and M being the third team out of
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: the SEC kind.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Of just almost proves that point to some degree. And
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: yet I think if you.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Took the top three teams in the Big ten, they'd
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: be the best, because I think you'd have Indiana, Ohio,
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Satan Oregon. I think that they'd be the better than
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: the top three even of the SC them. It might be,
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: it might be comparable. But if you start going down
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: to like like LSU is the tenth number ten team
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: in the SEC. If LSU is your tenth best team,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, think of the teams from the SEC that
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: didn't make the player. They had five teams in the playoffs,
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: and uh, think of the ones that didn't make it Texas, Yeah, Vanderbilt, Mi, Zuri, LSU,
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: like uh uh, you start getting into the middle and
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: down at the bottom, even Arkansas, they could drop five
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: hundred yards on your ass. Mississippi State looked like the
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: dregs of the SEC are a lot better than the
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: dregs of the other conferences, So so maybe not quite
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: as top heavy, but but the depth of the conference,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's there's any comparison. SEC is the
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: number one's conference in football one hundred percent.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: On the other side of the break, we're gonna dive
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: into something. I want to get huge perspective on whether
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: or not this is a concern should be yes, no, maybe,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: So stick around here at Sports Radio ninety three point
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: three KJRFM. We got another hour plus here to get
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: into some stuff. We don't have a lot of time
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: in this segment because we kind of blew through the
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: break on the last one. So I'm just gonna get
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: right to you. Puka Nakua, he's a snut. I mean
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: he has been basically since he got in there. We
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: know shit, he's playing with Sean McVay and Matt Stafford
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: and he just is a strong dude. And yet the
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: way in which he goes out there and puts up
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: the numbers that he put up, I mean, you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: to go out and have twelve catches for two hundred
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and twenty five yards and a couple of touchdowns. I
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: don't know for sure if anybody expected that against a
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald defense. Is that just something that's gonna happen
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: from time to time or would you expect a top
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: caliber defense to be able to take away the biggest
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: threat to especially would his counterparts out.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was surprised. I mean, the Seahawks defense this season,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: for the entire season, have given up seven completions of
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: forty yards or more. And four of those seven were
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Thursday night against the Rams. And of those, uh, three
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: of them were Tapuka Nakua and now there you know.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: One was against a two deep one, one was against
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: a three deep zone they had they beat Witherspoon on
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: a corner route against man Demand's I mean, he's just
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: he You don't think he's fast, but he's fast enough.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: He's extremely strong, got to be one of the strongest
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: receivers in the NFL. He's very bright. But but his strength,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: his strong hands, his strong body, you know, breaking tackles,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: what have you. He's a he's a load. I mean,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: there's a there's a fullback type of component to his
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: game of physicality. So nobody ever saw this. The Rams
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: didn't see it. They wouldn't have waited to the fifth
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: round to draft him. It's just been stunning. He's a
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: former Husky for a year before he went to b YU.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: But yeah, he's a wagon, he's a he's a hell
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: of a load.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Well, we've seen, you know, receivers over the course of time.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: You know, big guys that are strong, and obviously there's
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: a lot that goes into that after the catch and
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: then the contested catches. Being a block out the way
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: that we always talk about tight ends being able to
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: use their body, he kind of does that even though
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: he's a wide receiver. So yeah, I'm kind of curious.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, when it comes to like the strong hands.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: One of those first catches that he had was like
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: he was defended very well, and you yeah, he just
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: has a knack for being able to just take it
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: from you, like, Nope, that's my ball and I don't
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: care if you're blanketing me or not.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Well, one of those the fifty four yard are in
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: the first half, the Seahawks were playing a two D
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: five under zone, and some people refer to it as
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: a country zone when you just kind of spot drop
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: and Matthew Stafford he's the front runner for the MVP,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: and he threw with such great anticipation over the top
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: of Ernest Jones. Then they came back and he had
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: a similar type of that was kind of a what's
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: called a bender and a constant people some people call
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: clipper the corner leads the post. But then he had
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: a dagger concept where the slot clears out the safety
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: and then a deep end route comes from the outside.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Ernest Jones was one of the culprits in that zone
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  Speaker 5: defense as well. I think that where they got better
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: at some point in the game is when they did
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: a little bit more pattern matching with their with their
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: zones instead of just to the spot. They saw defenders
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: kind of really looking, you know, to work the guy
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: in your zone a little bit more sticky as opposed
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: to just eyeballing the quarterback the entire time. Put your
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: eyes on the receiver, take a grasp of the past concept,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: and then you know, a tick later, then gets your
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: eyes on the quarterback. That was adjustment that helped as
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: they had a better second half than they had in
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: the first half.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean they're gonna get another opportunity.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Probably, well, we don't know that for sure.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: We will see how the whole bracket matches up, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: there's still work to be done to figure that whole
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: thing out. But oil boy, they gotta figure something out.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna win a whole heck of
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of ballgames just letting them be able to
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: do the way that they did. So we're gonna come back.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: We got a break here, but we're gonna come back
• 34:18
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• 34:20
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