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Football at Four: What's the Current State of the Eagles Offensive Personnel? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We keep seeing offensive coordinators get hired. We hear people
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  Speaker 1: that are interviewing with the Eagles. Why are people looking
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  Speaker 1: at this job and what are they seeing with this offense.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna look at the Eagles offensive personnel and what
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  Speaker 1: a new coordinator will get to work with today with
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  Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan from the Inside the Birds Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Adam, what's going on? Man?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike. That was the subject of our Monday morning show,
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  Speaker 3: which you can get on POT or YouTube with Jeff
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  Speaker 3: Mosher and I. We actually, you know, it's a two
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  Speaker 3: part series. We're going to do defense because we always
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  Speaker 3: do a yearly state of the roster. Then we give
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  Speaker 3: the antael off for free agency. Who what we're hearing
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  Speaker 3: about guys resigning. That's where we put the scoop out
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  Speaker 3: of Veagles who are feverously trying to trade Goddard and
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  Speaker 3: you know what happened to buy some way They found
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  Speaker 3: a way for him to take a pay cut and
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  Speaker 3: come back. But he's part of this discussion today, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: because he's one of their many free agents. On the
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  Speaker 3: offensive side of the football.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, we'll take a look at, obviously this
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  Speaker 1: offense and you know, so many people at him are wondering,
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  Speaker 1: what are offensive coordinators seeing that they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be here or they're taking other jobs. Is it the
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  Speaker 1: personnel on this offense? What are we looking at moving
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  Speaker 1: forward here? Obviously let's start with the quarterback spot and
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  Speaker 1: the role that he plays in this He is signed
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  Speaker 1: through the twenty twenty eight season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Jalen hurts, Mike. Look, it absolutely is a
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  Speaker 3: part of it. Either you want to work with him
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  Speaker 3: a Super Bowl or you don't. You evaluate the number
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  Speaker 3: one correct here for roster valuation is coaching tape All
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  Speaker 3: twenty two. Then you take the numbers. Then you try
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  Speaker 3: to match to marry the to and see what differences
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  Speaker 3: there are. But it's always tape and hurts to not
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  Speaker 3: have a good season. There's no sugarcoating it. He assigned
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  Speaker 3: through twenty twenty eight. There's a way. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: never easy, but there's a pretty good way to get
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  Speaker 3: out of the contract there for the twenty seven season
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  Speaker 3: if they choose so. But yeah, if you're going to
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  Speaker 3: be the OC this year, he's going to be your quarterback. Now,
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  Speaker 3: they had three quarterbacks of the roster this season, only
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  Speaker 3: two on our contract. Tanner McKee this coming season is
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  Speaker 3: a final year of his rookie deal. Now I post
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  Speaker 3: this to Jeff Mosher on Monday, I'm going to post
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  Speaker 3: the same question to you, taking all the information on
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  Speaker 3: Tanner McKee. Nobody's on the final yours a rookie deal
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  Speaker 3: coming up. A would you trade him? Be? What would
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  Speaker 3: you be looking for?
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  Speaker 1: Gott to think about if you got a call, I
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  Speaker 1: think you're probably looking what in the range of a third?
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  Speaker 2: Is that fair or no?
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  Speaker 3: I said Jeff, I would discussion had started a second.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff thought that maybe that was a little rich. No,
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  Speaker 3: he said, one was was Rich Mike, here's the question
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  Speaker 3: for you. Okay, how much did that start against Washington
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  Speaker 3: this season where he was not good? How much would
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  Speaker 3: that be a factor. I mean that's what look you
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  Speaker 3: you you take everything in consideration when you're training for
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  Speaker 3: a player, and that tape Mike was not great.
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  Speaker 1: Let's I mean, let's I was gonna say. I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna follow up to what you just said. I said
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  Speaker 1: I would have hoped if I was the Eagles that
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  Speaker 1: I got a better performance out of that last game
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  Speaker 1: that I could ask for a second or even God
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  Speaker 1: forbid of first. But that last game makes me say,
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  Speaker 1: probably in the range for a third.
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  Speaker 2: If somebody calls, well, see, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: You're saying, a third round pick, which is which is
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  Speaker 3: a middle of the road starter round for the fourth
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  Speaker 3: is bottom of the end to us, an above average
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  Speaker 3: starter one, it should be a great starter. So you're
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  Speaker 3: giving away an okay pick, a third round pick which
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  Speaker 3: Schelviisley is going to be in the twenties. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if you're getting one, if you're trading way one, you're one,
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  Speaker 3: you're asking for one, Well, you got to look at
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  Speaker 3: what what team you're getting it from? What what is it.
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  Speaker 3: Is it going to be in the twenties, it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be in the teams in the top ten. That
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  Speaker 3: that changes it. But looking at a two, to me,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's very realistic. You have to look at
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk more about free agency when we get closer,
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  Speaker 3: but how good free agent quarterbacks are going to be available? Look,
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  Speaker 3: Sam How is a free agent. Now we did talk
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  Speaker 3: about this, I would be very open if if you
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  Speaker 3: and I Mike were running the personnel apartment, I would
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  Speaker 3: be very open to Sam How. If we were going
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  Speaker 3: to trade McKee, I'd be very open to him because
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  Speaker 3: he's a gun slinger, he's an aggressive thrower, he's a
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  Speaker 3: good athlete. He's not big, you know, he's six feet even.
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  Speaker 3: But just guys play quality football and give it a chance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, if you traded McKee and brought hal back,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a big problem with Sam Halby in
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  Speaker 1: the backup here as well. By the way, on that front,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about threes. Correct me if I'm wrong at them.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles have.
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  Speaker 2: Three threes, three fours and three fives, I believe.
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  Speaker 3: See, And that's the thing about they knew that they've
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  Speaker 3: traded a bunch of pits away, but they still have
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  Speaker 3: a lot. Now they're projecting to get their a lot,
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  Speaker 3: the full lotment of compensatory picks. Howie was very clear
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  Speaker 3: about that. He didn't shot. He's willing to talk about
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  Speaker 3: It's funny. A lot of gms are not. He was
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  Speaker 3: willing to talk about it as long as it happens
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  Speaker 3: like they think it's gonna happen. Yeah, they're gonna have.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna have because you can't get hired on a
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  Speaker 3: third round pick fortense story. But they're gonna have plenty three,
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  Speaker 3: plenty fours and plenty of slives. And then if they
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  Speaker 3: get another third, you can always trade up. You could
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  Speaker 3: trade them and package them for a second empick like
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  Speaker 3: it gives you better flexibility in the draft or leading
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  Speaker 3: up to it. So, yeah, it's it's gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Be interesting, Adamplin. Let's look at running back.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, Barkley, much like Hurt, he assigned to twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: He got that extension.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, and then it looks like most of the room
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  Speaker 1: is going to be back next year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tank Bigsby will be with them to the twenty
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  Speaker 3: sixth season. And that was a big part of this trade.
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  Speaker 3: As we said at the time, we kind of laughed
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  Speaker 3: at the reporting was all that was wrong. The ones
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  Speaker 3: were saying, well, they made the main reason why they
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  Speaker 3: traded for him because he could be a kickoff Forturnent.
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  Speaker 3: It was down on their list. It was part of it.
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  Speaker 3: It was not even close to the main factor. They
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  Speaker 3: knew that Dylan was on a one year deal. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: AJ Dillon was on a one year deal. Will Shipley
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  Speaker 3: is not really a physical back and tank Bigsby. It
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  Speaker 3: turned out to be a great change up. It's more
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  Speaker 3: talented than it's more talented. Shipley's just a fact and
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  Speaker 3: Dylan Dylan did fine when he played, but once they
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  Speaker 3: made the trade, Dylan was out of a job. As
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  Speaker 3: you saw, he basically was inactive for the season. Safeman
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  Speaker 3: be a game the Washington game he was active for.
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  Speaker 3: But the bottom line is, Mike, they're good in that
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  Speaker 3: running back room. That's if you're a new coordinator, you're.
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  Speaker 1: Liking that room, all right, Adam wide receiver, I'm interested
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  Speaker 1: in your breakdown of this one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had AJ Brown signed.
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  Speaker 1: Through twenty twenty nine, so he has some challenges to
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  Speaker 1: move there. Davonte Smith you know, I'm very intrigued about
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  Speaker 1: this wide receiver conversation there with Smith because watching Seattle
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  Speaker 1: the other day, they've got Jackson Smith and Jigma and
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  Speaker 1: not a whole heck of a lot else No, and
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  Speaker 1: yet found a way to get him the ball what
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  Speaker 1: ten times for one hundred and fifty three yards in
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  Speaker 1: that game? So would Smith be a guy that the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles can say, you know what, if we got rid
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  Speaker 1: of Brown, Smith could be the number one guy and
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  Speaker 1: we could build an offense around him. You got Darius Cooper,
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  Speaker 1: You've got the free agent is Dotson here? Interesting they
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  Speaker 1: didn't use him all that much at all over his
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  Speaker 1: two years here, So what do you make of this
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver offseason?
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  Speaker 3: So Mike, Yeah, look there out he is. Eagles will
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  Speaker 3: be listening to A J. Brown offers that they could
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  Speaker 3: deny it, but other teams think so because it's funny.
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  Speaker 3: Every team that would have interest in a J. Brown
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  Speaker 3: knows about the media reports is unhappiness. They're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: to listen. It's just the way it is. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying that they're definitely gonna trade him. It could start
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  Speaker 3: this week at the Senior ball wall though. How we
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  Speaker 3: may not be there. It starts the combine where that's
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  Speaker 3: really where it heats up. That's where the god our conversation,
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  Speaker 3: that's where we be where we heard it that they
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  Speaker 3: were they were looking to move Goddard. We'll see what
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  Speaker 3: happens with a J. Brown Mike, But if they do
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  Speaker 3: move him, they don't have his replacement. They don't have
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  Speaker 3: an ex receiver. Debonte Smith is a smaller frame guy.
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  Speaker 3: We know he plays bigger than his listed size, but
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  Speaker 3: they would have to find a receiver with size, preferably
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  Speaker 3: with size. But the good thing is Mike. They've got
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  Speaker 3: a lot of draft picks they can address that that
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  Speaker 3: would be that would become Mike their number one need
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  Speaker 3: going into the offseason. If they do trade AJ Browns
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  Speaker 3: and into the draft, is fighting his replacement?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what do you make of if they You'll watch
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  Speaker 2: it Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: It made me say, like Davante Smith, do they They
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  Speaker 1: don't have to have a player, a player better.
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  Speaker 2: Than Davante Smith.
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  Speaker 1: On the other side, I'm not that AJ is better
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  Speaker 1: or worse or whatever, but you got two number one receivers,
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  Speaker 1: do you view Davante Smith as a guy that could
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  Speaker 1: be your best receiver?
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  Speaker 2: And and and run an offense with him one A.
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  Speaker 3: He's to me like he minds me with Terry McLaurin.
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  Speaker 3: You'd rat McLaurin is their number one receiver and number
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  Speaker 3: one pass target for the Commandos. But you would like
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  Speaker 3: someone this is the way he was explaining me. You
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  Speaker 3: would like someone with bigger size than McLaurin. There's a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more dynamic. But he's a really good football player.
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  Speaker 3: It has been a great story of development, no doubt
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  Speaker 3: about that. He's just a good football player. But Davante,
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  Speaker 3: to me, he's been an incredible draft pick, great player,
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  Speaker 3: great dude, He's a amazing But you like someone with
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  Speaker 3: more better stature. But let me get back to Seattle
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  Speaker 3: real quick, because we haven't talked since those games. Mike,
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  Speaker 3: that Clint Kubiak and the reason why so many teams
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be a head coach, and they were a
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  Speaker 3: lot of them weren't willing to wait. But the bottom
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  Speaker 3: line is he's so good at scheming guys open. You
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  Speaker 3: knows how to work with quarterbacks. If you're going to
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  Speaker 3: draft a quarterback or you have one that needs to
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  Speaker 3: be developed, why wouldn't you want Clint Kubiak to be
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  Speaker 3: your head coach. Look at the Jet Smith and Jigba.
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  Speaker 3: He's a good route runner. He's very strong for a size,
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  Speaker 3: but they scheme him open it. It's insane the number.
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  Speaker 3: Mike cayb what top five season the NFL hits your receiver.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, on the opposite side, Rashicha Heat
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  Speaker 1: had one catch. It was for fifty one yards. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, he was the guy they traded for. He
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  Speaker 1: got Cooper Cupp who is past his prime. But it's
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  Speaker 1: not like, you know, they have a j Brown Devonte Smith. No,
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  Speaker 1: they got Smith, the Jigma and not a whole heck
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  Speaker 1: of a lot else and we're able to score thirty
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  Speaker 1: one points. Very impressed with what they did offensively. Now,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, they struggled offensively at times throughout the year,
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  Speaker 1: but it can be done. Tight end's gonna be very
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  Speaker 1: interesting this offseason because Godner is a free agent, Calcatara
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  Speaker 1: is a free agent. Grandson is a free agent.
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  Speaker 3: Kylon Grantson he wound up not really doing anything other
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  Speaker 3: than special teams where he's very good. But they thought
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  Speaker 3: he'd be sort of like that movable chess piece tight
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  Speaker 3: end F tight end where you where the y's in
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  Speaker 3: line and the F is the move and it just
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  Speaker 3: didn't work out that way. Goddard had a great season
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  Speaker 3: in terms of touchdowns, didn't have a ton of catches,
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  Speaker 3: but had a great season, great in the red zone.
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  Speaker 3: They finally used him. But yeah, Cam Lattu and E J.
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  Speaker 3: Jenkins d J gents just resigned a future deal. But
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  Speaker 3: lat two's on the final his two year deal. That's
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  Speaker 3: all they have, Mike, So if they don't re sign Goder,
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  Speaker 3: and it still should be because I don't see him
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  Speaker 3: signing for more than a one year deal anyway. If
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  Speaker 3: he comes back, they need They need a dress sie
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  Speaker 3: Ton in position in a big way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they do.
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  Speaker 1: And it's funny because you know you have the twenty
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  Speaker 1: third pick in the draft. Is that another area that
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  Speaker 1: you might have to look at at twenty three?
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  Speaker 2: And I know when we get to the.
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  Speaker 1: Draft we're gonna start to look at needs at that
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  Speaker 1: spot there, but tight end, they do not really have
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  Speaker 1: one other than Latu on the defensive line at them.
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  Speaker 1: This has been the strong suit of this team. My
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  Speaker 1: lot has signed twenty eight. Dickerson signed through twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Jurgens is signed through twenty nine, Lane Johnson signed through
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven, his future obviously up in the air, and
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  Speaker 1: then Tyler Steen is signed through next season. They did
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  Speaker 1: draft some guys last year. They're all signed through twenty eight,
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  Speaker 1: so you could literally say, hey, we're gonna bring back
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  Speaker 1: the same five guys and the same you know guys
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  Speaker 1: behind them. But do they need to start remaking this
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  Speaker 1: offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: You know in the notes I sent you, Mike, I
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  Speaker 3: just I didn't give you like when the Eagles could
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  Speaker 3: get out of the contracts, but they have to. Like
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  Speaker 3: another need is even if Lank, like the adds are
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  Speaker 3: that Lame will come back. But if whether he does
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  Speaker 3: or doesn't, shouldn't won't preclode the Eagles from dressing his
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  Speaker 3: replacement at twenty three or wherever they want to pick,
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  Speaker 3: if they trade out, trade back, they have to address it.
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  Speaker 3: They have not addressed it. Cam Williams was a major project.
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  Speaker 3: Cameron Williams their last pick this past draft out of Texas.
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  Speaker 3: He did look good against Washington, but at the bottom
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  Speaker 3: line is he's a project. No one's thinking of him
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  Speaker 3: right now. His lanth replacement, So they need addressed that position.
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  Speaker 3: It is so, Mike, you brought up a good point.
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  Speaker 3: If you're an offensive coordinator and you're looking at this roster,
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  Speaker 3: look at all these questions.
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  Speaker 1: A ton of questions. And the other question is Fred Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, he is a free agent. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: had to play half the season this year and then
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  Speaker 1: the times that he didn't play, he had to constantly
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  Speaker 1: keep going in the game.
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  Speaker 2: If he's not back.
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  Speaker 1: Do they have a guy to replace Lane Johnson on
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  Speaker 1: the current roster.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean they don't Cam Williams. As I said,
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  Speaker 3: Mike is not ready yet. So Fred Johnson to make
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  Speaker 3: sure be a priority. We were joking on our show
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  Speaker 3: on Monday that that was the best free agent that
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  Speaker 3: they trade it for him. That was the best move
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  Speaker 3: that how he made in the offseason because think about
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  Speaker 3: where they'd be without Fred Johnson. Right, did a good job.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, you know Brett Toast is also
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  Speaker 1: a free agent. Uh, he played a lot of center
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  Speaker 1: this year. They I mean, I don't know what you
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  Speaker 1: saw from Kendall in the one game. Did they feel
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  Speaker 1: good enough? Hey, Kendall can play center in the end,
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  Speaker 1: so they got a ton of questions on this offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: Bred Tell shocked me much that one game it might
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  Speaker 3: have been a second Giant game. I remember when we
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  Speaker 3: did the Inside the Tape show, we were all blown
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  Speaker 3: away with how good he looked. He never looked that
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  Speaker 3: good in practice in the preseason or when he came
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  Speaker 3: into play over the on and off six years with
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles, and he's another guy, you know what, And
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  Speaker 3: he's been a Jeff stalin creation and development. I bring
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  Speaker 3: him back. They should look to bring him.
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  Speaker 2: Back, all right, Adam Kaplan.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, the Inside the Birds podcast all offseason long
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  Speaker 1: Football at four will be putting this Eagles team back together.
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  Speaker 1: I'll ask you, you know you, Brian Dable looks like
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna be in Tennessee. Mike McDaniel, he's going to
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  Speaker 1: the Chargers. You're starting to hear guys who have not
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  Speaker 1: been play callers, you know, Frank Smith, You've got Jared
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  Speaker 1: Johnson today, you've got Sean Manion. Are you starting to
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  Speaker 1: look at these candidates and thinking, wow, this is turned
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  Speaker 1: into a mess?
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  Speaker 3: Well, am I reporting? I put this out two weeks
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  Speaker 3: ago on our show that there was no chance Brian
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  Speaker 3: Dable was coming here as long as the Tennessee thing
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  Speaker 3: did fall through, Like what happened in Tennessee was this
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  Speaker 3: is what I was told, Mike. It wasn't just Robert Sala,
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  Speaker 3: it was the general manager. And I'll give you other nugget.
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  Speaker 3: Might Matt Naggy had he gotten the head coach a
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  Speaker 3: job that was his guy, Brian Dabell A little nugget
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  Speaker 3: for you there. So Brian dabel was always gonna go
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  Speaker 3: to Tennessee unless something fell through. He need to have
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  Speaker 3: other teams on his list. That's why the Eagles were
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  Speaker 3: on his lift. He knows hard to obviously he worked
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  Speaker 3: with him. He knows the Eagles, and Eagles beat the
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  Speaker 3: heck out of him when he was with the Giants.
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  Speaker 3: He knows that organization.
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  Speaker 2: He knows coach is.
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  Speaker 3: There was a fallback off, but it was never gonna
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  Speaker 3: happen as long as Tennessee didn't change her mind, which
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  Speaker 3: they're not doing.
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  Speaker 2: Though they're not. And obviously the Eagles now le left.
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  Speaker 2: Woo Do you think do.
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  Speaker 1: You think, Adam, that Matt Naggy is the most likely
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  Speaker 1: candidate of the group that we're hearing or is it
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  Speaker 1: someone who hasn't been talked to or reported.
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  Speaker 3: Yet I think it's open, Mike. I wouldn't say that
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  Speaker 3: Naggie would be him, and they know him. There were
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  Speaker 3: RUMs about him in Ohio State. But Arthur Smith has
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  Speaker 3: taking that job, so I think Maggie would be a
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  Speaker 3: good choice. They did a great job with Mitch Trubisky
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  Speaker 3: until they just couldn't get your biskey to play the
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  Speaker 3: way they need to know it could. So he's least
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  Speaker 3: qualified as anyone you get that job. But it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of it's kind of kind of interesting, Mike, this whole situation,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: All right, by the way, Frank Reich looks like he's
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: going to the Jets. Yeah, and that kind of came
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: out of right field, right, Hey, Frank Reich, you're You're hired.
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  Speaker 2: You're the next guy. Uh. So the Jets have got
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  Speaker 2: a guy. Uh.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Things are starting to fill up here and the Eagles
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: still have not made that elusive higher.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have more on football at four.
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  Speaker 1: Adams back on Friday show with Football at four from
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the Inside the Birds podcast, which you can get on
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: all podcasting platforms just search Inside the Birds. Adam appreciate it, Bud,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you,