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Speaker 1: was originally recorded and released back in July of twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 1: We're releasing it publicly now because I'm gonna be honest,
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Speaker 1: I don't think any episode we could possibly release would
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Speaker 1: be more timely than this one, because I think we
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Speaker 1: can all agree the most important thing happening in the
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Speaker 1: United States this November is obviously the NBA Draft, which
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Speaker 1: is happening Wednesday, November eighteenth, and to celebrate that, we're
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Speaker 1: re releasing this episode, which is about the nineteen eighty
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Speaker 1: five NBA draft, which seems like it might have been
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Speaker 1: about the nineteen eighty five NBA Draft. Thanks everybody, we
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show with your hosts Adam Todd
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Speaker 1: just posted. He posted about it on Instagram, So I
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Speaker 1: assume I'm fine. We're talking. It's still Sports Month. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why I said still. This is the second
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Speaker 1: week of Sports Month on Conspiracy The Show, so it
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Speaker 1: still is week. Last week we talked about Barry Bonds
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Speaker 1: and my personal conspiracy theory that Major League Baseball kind
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Speaker 1: of manufactured the steroid scandal. They supplied to steroids to
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Speaker 1: cover up the amphetamine scandal and to just credit Barry Bonds.
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Speaker 1: So this week we're talking about the nineteen eighty five
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Speaker 1: NBA Draft lottery. Of course, the Yeah, the conspiracy. That's
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Speaker 1: the biggest conspiracy of all sports conspiracies, right, I think so. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think we'll glance over a few other NBA ones,
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Speaker 1: but the NBA. That's what may I should add before
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Speaker 1: we get started that a lot of the research for
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Speaker 1: this episode comes from the book The twenty five Greatest
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Speaker 1: Sports Conspiracy Theories of All Time by Elliott Kolb. And
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Speaker 1: then there's also some YouTube videos. We'll put up links
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Speaker 1: you get it. This seems believable to me, just because
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Speaker 1: the NBA is just seems like a shady outfit. Now.
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Speaker 1: I was aware of this for a long long time,
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Speaker 1: and I did zero research into it until you sent
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Speaker 1: me that this would be the topic, and you sent
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Speaker 1: me a couple of links and YouTube videos to look over.
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Speaker 1: I had heard one version of the conspiracy theory, which
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Speaker 1: is the hardest to prove right, And I didn't even
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Speaker 1: know the version that we're going to go through today,
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Speaker 1: which is basically like very very provable. Yeah. The only
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Speaker 1: thing you can't prove is like the intent of people
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Speaker 1: who you know of this thing that happened thirty three
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Speaker 1: years ago. Right, But it seems like the intent is
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Speaker 1: pretty I think they make a good case for this,
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Speaker 1: so we can make a good case for like what
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Speaker 1: the what the motivation would be? Right? And the thing
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Speaker 1: about the NBA, they have cheating scandals pretty often, but
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Speaker 1: they usually land on the side of the referees. They're
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Speaker 1: a good mark. Yeah. The what was the Fall Guy?
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Speaker 1: What good fall guy? Freeze? Nobody likes him anyways. I
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Speaker 1: thought you were making a reference to the TV show
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Speaker 1: The Fall Guy. Now, for some reason, my years perked up.
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Speaker 1: Watch that a lot as a kid. Who was the
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Speaker 1: ref that got in trut? I don't he actually went?
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Speaker 1: Once you click on it, I'll remember it. Prison, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Tim Donaghe, Tim Donaghe, and I remember that guy like
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Speaker 1: he He was an NBA ref for a long goddamn
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Speaker 1: time and eventually served fifteen months in prison for betting
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Speaker 1: on games and possibly fixing games with the help of
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Speaker 1: or at the behest of the mafia. Yeah, and it
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Speaker 1: comes up all the time. People point out that officiating
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Speaker 1: is always not always, but there are a lot of
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Speaker 1: cases where it seems like they're officiating in a way
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Speaker 1: to make a certain outcome happen. And yeah, so just
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Speaker 1: to explain for the people who don't really follow sports,
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Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, I guess it's easy to do
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Speaker 1: in really any sport any But basically, what a referee
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Speaker 1: will do is they'll sort of officiate a game in
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Speaker 1: a way that at certain like maybe the maybe lots
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Speaker 1: of players on one team get fouls and players on
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Speaker 1: the other team don't really get fouls, or they try
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Speaker 1: and keep it within a certain specific point range, so
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Speaker 1: you know, just whatever, you know, whatever the higher ups
6:12
Speaker 1: are like, oh, we want this game to go under
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Speaker 1: the you know, the right total or over whatever. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The most recent example is actually this year's Western Conference Finals,
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Speaker 1: Game six of the Western Conference Finals, which was it
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Speaker 1: was pretty clear that Golden State was just not getting
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Speaker 1: called for fouls, yeah, and Houston was getting called for everything. Also,
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Speaker 1: Game six of the one or two Western Conference Finals
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Speaker 1: between the Lakers and the Sacramento Kings. Right, Bricket's Warriors
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Speaker 1: Game six. This is the this is way too long
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Speaker 1: to watch all of it out there, but gets called
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Speaker 1: for if you go out to YouTube Chris H's YouTube
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Speaker 1: page Rockets versus Warriors w c F Game six officiating.
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Speaker 1: If they want to call it, they just need to
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Speaker 1: call it the same way on the other and there
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Speaker 1: are is the first a lot of examples of Houston
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Speaker 1: getting called for fouls that Golden State definitely does not
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Speaker 1: get called. And the thinking behind it is that immediately
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Speaker 1: the NBA wanted Golden State in the final as opposed
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Speaker 1: to Houston being restricted by oh yeah obviously, yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: or they wanted of Nature and having that in the
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Speaker 1: background is gonna fucking wear me out. It was. It
7:33
Speaker 1: was destroying me. Yeah, and the the game you just mentioned,
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Speaker 1: I would argue every championship Shaquille O'Neil won with the Lakers,
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Speaker 1: three of them, Baby, was an example of horrible officiating
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Speaker 1: because they would just let Shaquille O'Neill elbow a motherfucker
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Speaker 1: in the chest and they would never call it. I wonder,
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Speaker 1: as the Lakers apologist, I wonder if they let him
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Speaker 1: get those extra calls because they knew at the in
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Speaker 1: the last five minutes of every game, people would pack
8:06
Speaker 1: a Shack. Yeah, I mean maybe, but that's basically people
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Speaker 1: would just intentionally foul him because he was terrible free
8:13
Speaker 1: throw shit. Yeah, yeah it could have been, but it was. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the the game that really stands out during that Lakers runs,
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Speaker 1: they were playing the Sacramento Kings. Yeah. I think it
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Speaker 1: was also game six of the Western Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: it was one or two. I don't remember specifically which
8:29
Speaker 1: I believe O two and uh yeah, two thousand and two,
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Speaker 1: and Sacramento was up by like fifteen at one point. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, like everyone who's guarding Shack
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Speaker 1: just fouls out. Yeah. And there's one point where Vlade
8:49
Speaker 1: Divac is already on the bench because he's in foul trouble,
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Speaker 1: and Scott Pollard fouls out and Vlade Divac just starts
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Speaker 1: laughing uproariously at the call because it was like the
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Speaker 1: if you compare what people due to Shaq compared to
9:08
Speaker 1: what Shaq does to people in this game, like Shaq
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Speaker 1: should have filed out. I think that's more. The thing
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Speaker 1: is Shaq would have filed out of every game in
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Speaker 1: like the second quarter. Well that's that's sort of. I
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Speaker 1: mean this gets into a larger conversation about like what
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Speaker 1: superstars are allowed to do versus what other people are
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Speaker 1: allowed to do routinely. I mean, from Kobe and Michael
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Speaker 1: Jordan to Lebron and Durant and Chris Paul and James
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Speaker 1: Harden today, all the superstars to travel all the time.
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Speaker 1: It's like seven steps to do Alan iverson double dribbled
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Speaker 1: frequently or they would carry. But if you're a rookie player,
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Speaker 1: you don't get that call. And there's sort of this
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Speaker 1: weird hierarchy of like in the artistry of refereeing, they
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Speaker 1: give the better they give the better players more benefit
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Speaker 1: of the doubt. Yeah and stuff. And you know what
10:03
Speaker 1: they're doing here? Is that super loud? Yeah, it is
10:07
Speaker 1: really loud. Now I understand what you say. It's they're
10:09
Speaker 1: loud all the time. When when I enjoyed it, just
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Speaker 1: the mixes.
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Speaker 3: Different involved And how about now, beautiful everybody coming in
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Speaker 3: hacking down.
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Speaker 1: Here's a guy who knows part of it is just
10:30
Speaker 1: concentrated on two things. Yeah, I'm just a bit so. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it happened a lot during It happened with Jordan a
10:41
Speaker 1: lot too. I won't I'm a Bulls fan, so I'll
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Speaker 1: be objective about it, and it wasn't so much. It
10:47
Speaker 1: was more of the traveling with Jordan's Yeah. Well, basically
10:50
Speaker 1: all this comes down to for the lay person is
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Speaker 1: that there are many examples of star players getting foul calls,
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Speaker 1: or players on preferable teams, super teams, super teams, big
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Speaker 1: market markets, Lakers, Bulls, Golden State Warriors versus the Sacramento Kings,
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Speaker 1: you know, versus I mean, I guess Houston's a bigger
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Speaker 1: city than San Francisco. But you know, a lot of
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Speaker 1: this before we get into the meat of this. This
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Speaker 1: is all the context is basketball is better, or the
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Speaker 1: league makes more money, the league is healthier when there
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Speaker 1: are power teams that are in large media markets, right Chicago,
11:32
Speaker 1: New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco. I guess you could
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Speaker 1: add to that. Yeah, they've been added to it like
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Speaker 1: it used to be the other way. Golden State used
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Speaker 1: to be the third or fourth biggest in the country.
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Speaker 1: So it's weird that Houston doesn't get that sort of
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Speaker 1: deferential treatment. Yeah, liberal bias, But this isn't This isn't
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Speaker 1: this is not just this is not just a phenomenon
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Speaker 1: in basketball. This is baseball too. The league likes it
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Speaker 1: and the rule, and we can get into sort of
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Speaker 1: salary how the salary cap plays into this as well.
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Speaker 1: Baseball does better when the Yankees and the Dodgers are
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Speaker 1: doing better, right, right, and the Cubs and you know,
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Speaker 1: these teams that have long histories and are from big
12:15
Speaker 1: markets where there are millions and millions of people watching.
12:18
Speaker 1: The NFL is very popular in America only. But the
12:23
Speaker 1: NFL is sort of constructed and the rules are at
12:26
Speaker 1: the front of the rules that the front offices play
12:28
Speaker 1: by in terms of them signing which players, how long
12:31
Speaker 1: they can keep players, and stuff. The rules are made
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Speaker 1: in the NFL so that there's a lot of variants
12:37
Speaker 1: each year between which teams are good and which teams
12:39
Speaker 1: are right. There are still teams like the Patriots, which
12:42
Speaker 1: are really really good for fifteen years, right, But Jacksonville,
12:46
Speaker 1: Jacksonville can be Jacksonville made the AFC, they almost went
12:49
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. They were one game away from
12:51
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. Maybe they'll be good for the next
12:52
Speaker 1: year or two and then they can drop off again.
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Speaker 1: And Jacksonville being really good at making the super Bowl
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Speaker 1: for a year or two doesn't hurt the NFL the
13:00
Speaker 1: way that in baseball, if it's like Seattle versus Tampa Brizona,
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Speaker 1: those are in the same league. Yeah, Arizona versus Tampa Bay.
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Speaker 1: That's like, Oh, that's a that's a big that's a
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Speaker 1: big whiff. It's a bummer. It's a bummer for baseball,
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Speaker 1: and basketball is very similar. They want the Lakers to do.
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Speaker 1: That's why the le Bron's on the Lakers right now.
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Speaker 2: You know.
13:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine the NBA Finals being like Sacramento versus the
13:26
Speaker 1: Charlotte Bobcats. Yeah, you'd kill yourself. No one would watch
13:30
Speaker 1: that exactly. So there is and weirdly, it almost never
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Speaker 1: happens in the NBA. So to get into the nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty five draft, you have to understand that it is
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Speaker 1: in the league's benefit for teams like the Knicks to
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Speaker 1: do well, for teams like the Celtics the Lakers to
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Speaker 1: do well. And it's it's been argued for a long
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Speaker 1: time that they manipulate the game in a way to
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Speaker 1: make that happen. Yea, And that's kind of the crux
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Speaker 1: of what we're talking. We have this video evidence right
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Speaker 1: here of these we have the Golden State Warriors versus
14:01
Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets. The Warriors are getting a lot of calls.
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Speaker 1: It's because they're a super team. Steph Curry is the most.
14:08
Speaker 1: If you ask anyone under seventeen years old who their
14:11
Speaker 1: favorite player is, it's Steph Curry. Oh yeah. Even though
14:14
Speaker 1: he's like six' three and. Incredible he looks on camera
14:18
Speaker 1: because he's so much shorter than the other. Guys he
14:20
Speaker 1: looks like he's five four and he has these sweet
14:23
Speaker 1: baby blue. Eyes he looks like a kid next door
14:27
Speaker 1: and kids love. Him he's kind of got this pinash
14:29
Speaker 1: and he like chews on his mouthpiece a certain way
14:33
Speaker 1: and he fires up these crazy three. Pointers urant obviously
14:37
Speaker 1: very very popular. Player on the other, Side James, harden
14:41
Speaker 1: who's who Dates kardashians and goes to strip clubs all the.
14:44
Speaker 1: Time And Chris, paul who you might recognize FROM tv
14:48
Speaker 1: and being a lot Of state farm ads but actually
14:50
Speaker 1: isn't really well liked in THE nba. Community. Yeah and
14:54
Speaker 1: WHEN i was a, kid it Was jordan. Obviously. Yeah
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Speaker 1: and if a really good example Of jordan getting away
15:00
Speaker 1: with a huge foul and a huge moment is his
15:03
Speaker 1: final shot with The Chicago bulls when they win that
15:07
Speaker 1: SIXTH Nba. Championship he just Pushes Brian russell out of the.
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Speaker 1: Way there's and the announcer, goes Oh russell. Slipped it's, like,
15:17
Speaker 1: no he got shoved in the, ass My Michael, jordan,
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Speaker 1: Forcibly it's a bit human, nature, right like you, know
15:24
Speaker 1: if you have let's let's put this. In let's make
15:28
Speaker 1: this an example we could all think. OF i, mean
15:30
Speaker 1: you don't know my, brother but my Brother ethan is,
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Speaker 1: like just not the favorite. Son i'm the favorite. Son i'm.
15:36
Speaker 1: Sorry ethan knows. This ethan AND i are. Bros but,
15:40
Speaker 1: hey but ANYTIME i do, anything my, parents my, Grandparents
15:45
Speaker 1: god rest their, soul are, like Oh, brett how? Cool
15:50
Speaker 1: well what a cool. Thing and then the moment my
15:52
Speaker 1: brother talks, like oh Shot, ethan it's just like And
15:57
Speaker 1: ethan AND i could do the same, thing and it's, like,
15:59
Speaker 1: oh good, Job, Brett oh you're so, smart and they
16:03
Speaker 1: just hate Whenever ethan does. That it's just it's a
16:07
Speaker 1: bit of, like, well we Want Michael jordan to, win
16:09
Speaker 1: and we don't Want John, stock we don't want The
16:14
Speaker 1: Utah jazz to. Win like, yeah AND i was always
16:19
Speaker 1: as a, KID i always hated The Western, Conference LIKE i,
16:22
Speaker 1: thought aside from The, lakers The Western conference was just a,
16:25
Speaker 1: boring fucking. Conference To, YEAH i wasn't super up on the. During,
16:33
Speaker 1: yeah The, spurs, well The spurs kind of suck like.
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Speaker 1: Eh then as someone who watches a lot more, basketball
16:38
Speaker 1: now there's some The spurs are The spurs are like. Boring,
16:44
Speaker 1: yeah The spurs are like are a bit like The
16:46
Speaker 1: patriots a bit where they're like, there it's automatic that
16:50
Speaker 1: they'll be there every, year and it's like actually quite
16:53
Speaker 1: boring and. Monolithic, Right fuck The. Spurs but, today so
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Speaker 1: today we're talking about the the eighty five draft, lottery
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Speaker 1: which was the first time THE nba ever handled their
17:05
Speaker 1: draft in this, way which is an interesting. Thing and
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Speaker 1: the the argument is that THE nba rigged this draft
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Speaker 1: lottery So Patrick ewing would go To New York Patrick,
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Speaker 1: ewing you, know in nineteen eighty five coming out Of Georgetown,
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Speaker 1: University big. Center IF i, mean he's one of the
17:26
Speaker 1: more famous basketball players of the eighties and. Nineties he's
17:28
Speaker 1: really really. Good he ended up having a great career
17:31
Speaker 1: despite not winning a. Championship, Right but it happens at
17:35
Speaker 1: the time he was coming out of, college people assumed
17:38
Speaker 1: he was going to be like the Next Bill, Russell,
17:41
Speaker 1: yeah something like he, was and he kind of, was
17:44
Speaker 1: but he. Didn't he just never won a. Championship and
17:47
Speaker 1: what we were just saying about THE nba needing a
17:51
Speaker 1: team in a major market to be playing well really
17:55
Speaker 1: applied to The knicks at the, time because they were
17:57
Speaker 1: great in the late sixties and, seventies they won a
17:59
Speaker 1: couple champions, chips and then they just sucked for fourteen solid. Years,
18:03
Speaker 1: yeah like they were terrible for a long. Time and their,
18:08
Speaker 1: tickets like they used to sell Out Madison Square garden
18:11
Speaker 1: all the, time their ticket sales, dropped people stopped, watching
18:14
Speaker 1: and THE nbas was making less, money and at the
18:18
Speaker 1: end of the eighty six, season their television contract was coming,
18:22
Speaker 1: up so they needed something good to happen In New
18:27
Speaker 1: york to get. More THE tv contracts are how all
18:29
Speaker 1: these leagues make tons and tons of. Money so AND
18:32
Speaker 1: i think it's twenty twenty one when the NFL's contracts are.
18:35
Speaker 1: Up this is. How this is how all THE afc
18:38
Speaker 1: games are ON cbs and all THE nfc games are On.
18:40
Speaker 1: Fox that's all sort of decided every four or five.
18:43
Speaker 1: Years but THESE tv contracts that THESE tv networks played
18:47
Speaker 1: literally billions and billions of dollars to the league for
18:50
Speaker 1: the right to have you, know certain, games and with,
18:53
Speaker 1: BASKETBALL abc has the rights, now so they paid billions
18:56
Speaker 1: and billions of dollars, literally, yeah capital b bills to
19:00
Speaker 1: the league for the rights to air those. Games so
19:03
Speaker 1: it's a big it's a big, deal right and the
19:07
Speaker 1: so THE nba at the time had a lot of
19:10
Speaker 1: motive to fix this. Draft they had their, popularity like
19:14
Speaker 1: they they Got THE nba got really popular again in the,
19:17
Speaker 1: eighties but it was the late. Eighties it was before,
19:20
Speaker 1: yeah it was you, know that was More jordan and
19:22
Speaker 1: The pistons in the late. Eighties but this we're talking
19:25
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, four eighty, five sort Of Magic bird. Era,
19:29
Speaker 1: yeah it's it's, popular but it's kind of only but
19:32
Speaker 1: it's really popular For celtics And lakers. Fans it's population
19:35
Speaker 1: In massachusetts and Southern, california, Right, Yeah AND i watched
19:39
Speaker 1: a lot of it because my dad was for some
19:41
Speaker 1: reason A lakers. Fan but beyond, THAT i didn't, LIKE
19:44
Speaker 1: i didn't give a shit about THE nba at this. Time.
19:46
Speaker 1: EITHER i MEAN i was a young, kid BUT i
19:48
Speaker 1: watched a lot of, sports and they also had a
19:52
Speaker 1: huge cocaine. Problem like EVERY i mean the, eighties every,
19:57
Speaker 1: sport every sport, HAD i, mean every industry had a cook.
20:00
Speaker 1: Problem but their players were being really vocal about, it
20:03
Speaker 1: like doing. Interviews there was AN La times report that
20:08
Speaker 1: estimated that between forty to seventy five percent of players
20:11
Speaker 1: were using. Cocaine so on the conservative, side a little
20:15
Speaker 1: bit less than half of them were just doing cocaine
20:17
Speaker 1: right all the. Time and that, finally the Len bias
20:21
Speaker 1: thing happened after this draft, lottery so Len bias just you,
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Speaker 1: know some more. CONTACTS a year, later The celtics draft
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Speaker 1: this guy Lent, bias who who is drafted COMING i
20:31
Speaker 1: forgot what? School he's coming out Of, maryland young, Guy
20:35
Speaker 1: so you, know twenty twenty two something like, that and
20:38
Speaker 1: between the draft and the beginning of the, season dies
20:41
Speaker 1: of a cocaine. Overdime he died that. Night oh he
20:44
Speaker 1: died that. Night, YEAH i WAS i wasn't born, yet
20:46
Speaker 1: so it's all, Right, yeah he died the things technically
20:48
Speaker 1: the next, day but it was like two or three
20:50
Speaker 1: in the, Morrow, Okay And this was right when the
20:52
Speaker 1: crack epidemic was, Starting and, yeah the len bias, thing
20:56
Speaker 1: it wrecked The celtics because The celtics traded away a
21:00
Speaker 1: bunch of picks to get len bias and then they
21:04
Speaker 1: draft him and he died that night of a. Cocaine
21:06
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit later about the mechanics of
21:09
Speaker 1: how someone wins the. Draft but you don't win the draft.
21:12
Speaker 1: There you don't win the draft lottery every year getting
21:14
Speaker 1: the first getting you, know, right one of these high.
21:17
Speaker 1: Picks so for that pick to, die it's not like
21:19
Speaker 1: they can award. Them oh you can go next. Year, no,
21:22
Speaker 1: sorry the guy, died like, sorry that's. Horrible, yeah don't
21:25
Speaker 1: do so much. Cocaine, yeah he should have done a little. Less.
21:29
Speaker 1: Yeah we haven't talked about the way the draft worked before. This. Yeah,
21:34
Speaker 1: previously if you wanted the first pick in the, draft
21:38
Speaker 1: you had to be one of the two worst teams
21:40
Speaker 1: in the league and then you had to win a coin.
21:42
Speaker 1: Flip that's. It if you had the worst or second worst,
21:47
Speaker 1: record you had a fifty percent chance of getting the
21:50
Speaker 1: number one draft. Pick, yeah and they decided to change
21:54
Speaker 1: it in eighty five for some. Reason, yeah for some
21:58
Speaker 1: reason they decide in nineteen eighty five that it should
22:02
Speaker 1: be seven teams competing for the number one. Pick well
22:06
Speaker 1: that's because if they didn't change, it who would have
22:10
Speaker 1: been the two teams competing for the number? One, Okay
22:13
Speaker 1: Golden State warriors and The Indiana. Pacers So San francisco Or. Indiana,
22:17
Speaker 1: Yeah and at this, time The Golden State warriors were
22:20
Speaker 1: not what they are. Now they were a fucking they
22:22
Speaker 1: were a league team. BASE i mean they had they
22:26
Speaker 1: won some CHAMPIONSHIPS i think in the, seventies in the
22:28
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties and all of the two thousands up
22:30
Speaker 1: until twenty. Twelve basically they were a trash trash. Tea,
22:35
Speaker 1: yeah they were The Cleveland browns of The San francisco
22:38
Speaker 1: right if they if a player went To Golden, STATE
22:40
Speaker 1: i was just, like, Oh i'll never see them. Again
22:43
Speaker 1: they were just like so forgettable that the whole franchise
22:45
Speaker 1: was for thirty. Years. Yeah so THE nba didn't want.
22:49
Speaker 1: That they did not Want Patrick ewing ending up In
22:52
Speaker 1: indiana Or Golden, State, Oakland San. Francisco. Whatever but the
22:58
Speaker 1: other argument was that the old system encouraged teams to
23:02
Speaker 1: just tank the entire season to get that number one.
23:06
Speaker 1: Pick the problem is that never stopped like after they
23:09
Speaker 1: changed it that The spurs did. It The spurs did
23:12
Speaker 1: it to Get David robinson And Tim. Duncan, yeah so you,
23:14
Speaker 1: know to just kind of zoom out a. Bit they
23:17
Speaker 1: changed this from this this thing of the two worst
23:20
Speaker 1: teams will flip a coin and they'll get the one
23:22
Speaker 1: and two picks to for the first time in the
23:25
Speaker 1: eighty five. Draft all, right seven teams and we'll have
23:27
Speaker 1: a lottery to determine it right now to right, now
23:30
Speaker 1: it's fourteen, teams the worst. Fourteenth every team that doesn't
23:33
Speaker 1: make the, playoffs which is fourteen teams. Enters there's a
23:37
Speaker 1: there's a. Lottery it's a little bit more statistically, us
23:40
Speaker 1: it's a little bit harder to, fix and there's some,
23:42
Speaker 1: right it's a it's a bit different than how they
23:45
Speaker 1: did the lottery this. Time the lottery this time was
23:48
Speaker 1: like literally like sticking your hand in a. Ball it was.
23:51
Speaker 1: Shady it was just very. Exactly and they still. Can't
23:54
Speaker 1: so now they've gone from two teams to seven teams
23:57
Speaker 1: to fourteen teams and they can't fix the tanking and
24:00
Speaker 1: the angle of, well we're not really gonna be good this,
24:03
Speaker 1: Year so why don't we try to be really bad
24:04
Speaker 1: so we have the highest chance of getting this number one. Pick,
24:07
Speaker 1: LISTEN i don't know if you can get rid of.
24:09
Speaker 1: It this is a bigger this is a bigger conversation
24:12
Speaker 1: that we don't have to talk about right. Here but
24:15
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen every. Year THE nfl has a similar.
24:18
Speaker 1: Thing the team with the worst the worst, record gets
24:22
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the. Draft, yeah but we
24:25
Speaker 1: don't see the tanking as much because there's only sixteen.
24:28
Speaker 1: Games like it's, like, yeah and you're gonna. Lose you're
24:32
Speaker 1: gonna lose the games that you're supposed to. Lose in
24:34
Speaker 1: THE nfl rather than, basketball is a little bit closer to.
24:38
Speaker 1: Baseball it's a little bit more of a coin flip every,
24:40
Speaker 1: night not, ever not every. NIGHT i, mean the The
24:43
Speaker 1: Atlanta hawks playing The Golden State warriors are gonna The
24:46
Speaker 1: warriors of. Today The warriors are gonna win most most
24:49
Speaker 1: of the, time but they. Lose they might lose one
24:51
Speaker 1: or two games just out of the sort of variance
24:54
Speaker 1: of night tonight. Basketball SO i don't know if you
24:57
Speaker 1: can get rid of, tanking like unless you come up
24:59
Speaker 1: with some thing. Different the more the more incentive you
25:02
Speaker 1: have to get this this, prize at the, end you're
25:05
Speaker 1: gonna take advantage of, that, Right so The philadelphia seventy
25:08
Speaker 1: six ers take advantage of. That AND i think they're
25:10
Speaker 1: going to try and move in the next few years
25:12
Speaker 1: to something to prevent tanking where if you get a
25:15
Speaker 1: top three, pick you can't get another top three pick
25:19
Speaker 1: for like another year or. Two so even if you're
25:21
Speaker 1: the worst team in the league and you win the,
25:23
Speaker 1: lottery you'll just get picked number. Four so, OH i
25:26
Speaker 1: think that's how they're trying to curb. It but when
25:29
Speaker 1: you play eighty when you play eighty two games the
25:31
Speaker 1: season and you, suck you're just gonna keep. Losing, yeah
25:35
Speaker 1: that's that's the end of my pretty. Much and so,
25:38
Speaker 1: yeah they ostensibly the goal here was to stop teams
25:42
Speaker 1: from doing, that but they just really the goal was
25:45
Speaker 1: Get Patrick ewing to, Me, yeah but, really what happens
25:49
Speaker 1: is now seven now seven to ten teams are competing
25:52
Speaker 1: for those seven, spots, right and they wanted to get
25:55
Speaker 1: some some. Bigger they wanted to get The, knicks, yeah
25:58
Speaker 1: involved in that, lottery, Right and so they decide to
26:03
Speaker 1: change the draft to a system where it's almost like
26:06
Speaker 1: if you've ever watched the lottery drawings on, television there's
26:11
Speaker 1: a big. Bowl it's less than. That it's like bingo
26:15
Speaker 1: at the local retirement at. Home because that the states
26:18
Speaker 1: have to with the state, lottery they have to be
26:20
Speaker 1: some sort of transparency behind. It because Out california is
26:24
Speaker 1: fixing the lottery for some friend of the comptroller or,
26:28
Speaker 1: whatever then that's not gonna be a good look For
26:31
Speaker 1: california Or illinois or. Whatever. Yeah this they just threw
26:35
Speaker 1: a bunch of envelopes and a big what they do, now.
26:38
Speaker 1: Drum there's fourteen. Teams there's fourteen teams that are eligible
26:41
Speaker 1: for the. Lottery each team has a different statistical chance
26:45
Speaker 1: of winning the. Lottery the team with the worst record has,
26:48
Speaker 1: LIKE i, think a twenty five percent chance of winning the.
26:50
Speaker 1: Lottery and they literally put like they don't put. It
26:53
Speaker 1: they put like a hundred balls in, there and they
26:56
Speaker 1: assign each team certain sets of. Numbers, so for, example
27:01
Speaker 1: who had the best chance of winning the lottery last?
27:03
Speaker 1: Year it was This Phoenix SUNS i think, right, yeah
27:06
Speaker 1: probably they were assigned numbers like zero, zero, zero one through, two,
27:11
Speaker 1: five zero, zero, literally so they literally just draw out
27:14
Speaker 1: the numbers and, Write, okay we have number, four six nine, Seven,
27:18
Speaker 1: yeah that's tied to The Detroit. Pistons The Detroit pistons
27:21
Speaker 1: have one rather than this, time they literally put seven
27:24
Speaker 1: envelopes in a big, ball like big clear ball that
27:27
Speaker 1: anyone could see into like you would playing, bingo, right
27:32
Speaker 1: and they just spun it around a couple times like
27:34
Speaker 1: they're out of fucking county. Fair, yeah if you want
27:37
Speaker 1: to watch the video that a lot of what we're
27:40
Speaker 1: talking about next comes, from it's on. YouTube conveniently, enough
27:45
Speaker 1: it's called Did David Stern fix the nineteen eighty FIVE Nba?
27:48
Speaker 1: Draft By Mike corzemba on. YouTube it has like a
27:52
Speaker 1: million some. Views it's a short video, Too it's not
27:54
Speaker 1: only five or six, pets it's it's very, digestible more
27:57
Speaker 1: digestible than this. Podcast absolutely keep, Listening, yeah, definitely please keep. Listening. Subscribe, so,
28:03
Speaker 1: yeah so what happens with this draft? Lottery there's this
28:09
Speaker 1: is basically the subruder film of, basketball because there is
28:14
Speaker 1: video footage of this, happening and it has been examined
28:19
Speaker 1: over and over and. Over but what happens is basically
28:24
Speaker 1: they switch to this draft, lottery and the first weird
28:28
Speaker 1: part about it is the guy who brings the envelopes,
28:30
Speaker 1: out a dude Named Jack. Wagner, yeah And Jack wagner
28:35
Speaker 1: is he's from the accounting firm Of ernst And, whitney
28:38
Speaker 1: which is what we always, hear like anytime an impartial
28:43
Speaker 1: person has to bring, something it's always an accounting. Firm.
28:46
Speaker 1: Yeah cut to The oscars two years, ago Oh, Man moonlight. Drama,
28:52
Speaker 1: yeah so seemingly he is a neutral third, party but
28:57
Speaker 1: he Also ernst And whitney was the auditing firm For
29:02
Speaker 1: gulf And Western, incorporated who owned The New York knicks
29:06
Speaker 1: at the. Time so that part's. Weird, well as we,
29:09
Speaker 1: know In New York city there's only one accounting company
29:11
Speaker 1: firm and It's Earnstant. Whitney did we know. That, no
29:14
Speaker 1: it's a. Joe, no it's a. Joke It's New. York
29:16
Speaker 1: there's tons of tons of big high level investment banks
29:20
Speaker 1: and accounting firms and all sorts of you lived. THERE
29:22
Speaker 1: i didn't know if you had it, later no one
29:25
Speaker 1: with any other Account uh so what's really? Weird and
29:32
Speaker 1: will Watch let's let's just WATCH i, mean the people
29:35
Speaker 1: at home will have to fire up this video and
29:38
Speaker 1: watch with. Us it starts around the three minute and
29:42
Speaker 1: forty four second or point is when they start talking
29:47
Speaker 1: about the actual depositing of the. Envelopes. Right, so this,
29:51
Speaker 1: Guy Jack, wagner who works for the accounting firm that
29:53
Speaker 1: has ties to the company that owns owns The, micks
29:57
Speaker 1: comes out onto the stage and they had this big
29:59
Speaker 1: glass or plastic, ball and he throws their seven. Envelopes
30:03
Speaker 1: he throws the envelopes into the. Ball, Right so this
30:06
Speaker 1: is where we're at and take it Away internet.
30:09
Speaker 4: Video As wagner tosses the envelopes into the plastic, ball
30:14
Speaker 4: he presents the first piece of evidence that the draft was.
30:17
Speaker 4: Rigged look closely as he bangs the fourth, envelope which
30:20
Speaker 4: contained The New York knicks draft, card against the middle
30:23
Speaker 4: of the plastic.
30:24
Speaker 1: Ball as he's not even subtle about. It, Okay so
30:29
Speaker 1: he tosses like three or. Four there's seven. Envelopes he
30:32
Speaker 1: tosses like three in and there's sort of an axle
30:35
Speaker 1: in the middle of the, ball and he tosses three
30:39
Speaker 1: in without a. Problem and then on the fourth, one
30:43
Speaker 1: he just like smashes the envelope up against the axle
30:47
Speaker 1: like he clearly has the motion. Right and then after
30:51
Speaker 1: he drops this now kind of crumpled and folded envelope
30:55
Speaker 1: into the, ball he then for the other three envelopes
31:00
Speaker 1: tosses them in completely normally and doesn't smash them in
31:03
Speaker 1: this axle in the middle of the. Ball and another
31:06
Speaker 1: good question to ask about how he does it also
31:08
Speaker 1: is if you're gonna spin the thing and mix him,
31:11
Speaker 1: up why not just toss them all in at. Once
31:13
Speaker 1: why did they have to go in like you're dealing?
31:15
Speaker 1: Cards maybe ONLY i don't, know and That so the
31:19
Speaker 1: argument here is that he basically to prove that there's,
31:22
Speaker 1: seven just as a you, know, yeah to prove that
31:25
Speaker 1: there are seven, Envelopes come, on. Man so the argument
31:28
Speaker 1: here is that he basically bends the corner of this
31:31
Speaker 1: envelope So David stern can see, it, yeah and will
31:36
Speaker 1: know which envelope contains The knicks. Card so they win
31:40
Speaker 1: the draft and the.
31:43
Speaker 2: Envelope falls into the.
31:44
Speaker 4: Ball if we freeze, time we can see that the
31:47
Speaker 4: corner of the envelope is now.
31:49
Speaker 1: Bent what's funny about that part IS i cannot see
31:53
Speaker 1: that it's bent in that. Clip no that he. Showed
31:56
Speaker 1: this clip is not very good because it's like this
32:00
Speaker 1: A vhs. Transfer this is like SOME espn, right like you,
32:05
Speaker 1: know airing of this from nineteen eighty. Five the cameras
32:07
Speaker 1: aren't as. Good they don't HAVE. HD i can't tell from,
32:09
Speaker 1: this but the next the next, clip but the next
32:12
Speaker 1: shot actually shows it really. Clearly and so that's the
32:16
Speaker 1: that's the first part is this guy throwing this envelope
32:21
Speaker 1: in and bending the. Corner that's where the physical part
32:25
Speaker 1: of this conspiracy. Starts and so the next part Is David.
32:31
Speaker 1: Stern AND i think the video here makes a really great.
32:34
Speaker 2: Point hardly anything suspicious about.
32:37
Speaker 1: This As, Yeah David stern is the. Head, yeah well,
32:41
Speaker 1: yeah he's he's the, commissioner commissioner of the end of the,
32:44
Speaker 1: league and he's actually going to be the one who
32:46
Speaker 1: sticks his hand in and pulls out the, cards, Right
32:49
Speaker 1: and here's the ball is.
32:51
Speaker 2: Rotated As stern looks intently at.
32:53
Speaker 1: The, envelope he does not take his eyes.
32:55
Speaker 2: Off.
32:57
Speaker 4: Ready to select the envelope that will give the team
32:59
Speaker 4: inside the first pick in the. Draft as he prepares,
33:02
Speaker 4: Himself stern lets out a very deep.
33:05
Speaker 1: Breath why did he do. THAT i don't. KNOW i, Can't,
33:11
Speaker 1: LIKE i can't prove anything of that in a court of. Law,
33:14
Speaker 1: YEAH i, MEAN i am you can't a big city,
33:16
Speaker 1: lawyer but you can't prove anything in the court of.
33:19
Speaker 1: Law but this should this is the first time THE
33:21
Speaker 1: nba has ever built this contraption to fuck around with
33:24
Speaker 1: on draft, Day like this should be a very lighthearted
33:28
Speaker 1: moment For David. Stern and he looks. Petrified he does
33:33
Speaker 1: look a bit like if he selects the wrong, one
33:36
Speaker 1: like his family's can be. Murdered he. Does, yeah that's
33:39
Speaker 1: what the side is sort of reminiscent. Of BUT i
33:43
Speaker 1: can't say. That, YEAH i mean it MEANS i. Do
33:45
Speaker 1: can't say that it means. Anything IT'S i think that's
33:48
Speaker 1: the least of of the of the pieces of evidence. Here,
33:52
Speaker 1: YEAH i, mean it's it admissible in my, Court Judge
33:56
Speaker 1: Joe brown over, here let's go on.
33:59
Speaker 2: Hotly indicating that he is.
34:00
Speaker 4: Nervous is he nervous about being in front of a
34:02
Speaker 4: lot of, people something he's probably never faced as commissioner
34:06
Speaker 4: of THE.
34:06
Speaker 1: Nba that was, sarcasm.
34:08
Speaker 2: Folks nervous about something else.
34:11
Speaker 1: Like having his kneecaps broken by the mafia If patrick ewing.
34:18
Speaker 4: The. Hood the next few seconds cements the nineteen eighty
34:21
Speaker 4: five draft lottery as one.
34:23
Speaker 2: Of the NBA's biggest.
34:24
Speaker 4: Conspiracies As stern reaches into the plastic, ball we are
34:27
Speaker 4: going to.
34:28
Speaker 2: Freeze as the camera clear.
34:30
Speaker 1: Now, here you really see that bent. Corner it's. Bent it's, bent,
34:35
Speaker 1: baby it's very obviously ben Get billy picks up the bent.
34:39
Speaker 2: Corner on the envelope that contains The knicks.
34:41
Speaker 4: Pick, surely if we can see the bend now on
34:44
Speaker 4: a video that is from nineteen eighty, five Presumably stern
34:48
Speaker 4: can see it in real.
34:49
Speaker 2: Life.
34:49
Speaker 4: Now As stern reaches into the, ball he clearly grabs
34:52
Speaker 4: multiple envelopes as another envelope has landed on top of
34:56
Speaker 4: The knicks. Envelope he, then for some, reason lips the
35:00
Speaker 4: envelope is grabbed around before dropping all but one see
35:04
Speaker 4: one with the, quarter the one that gave The knicks
35:07
Speaker 4: the first pick in the nineteen eighty five.
35:09
Speaker 2: Draft and so there you have.
35:10
Speaker 1: It so there you have. It so there you have.
35:13
Speaker 1: It it's more convincing if you watch the video, yourself
35:16
Speaker 1: probably than Just brett AND i trying to explain this
35:20
Speaker 1: to you if you are the commissioner of a fantasy
35:25
Speaker 1: football league or AT i don't know how you do,
35:28
Speaker 1: it but my league does. It we literally all put
35:30
Speaker 1: fucking our names in a hat and someone throws everyone
35:34
Speaker 1: just rips up a piece of. Paper if you are
35:36
Speaker 1: just picking randomly out of a hat and you really
35:38
Speaker 1: don't care about the, outcome or you understand the outcome
35:41
Speaker 1: to be truly, neutral what you do is you Quarter
35:44
Speaker 1: you sort of a normal human sticks their hand, in
35:47
Speaker 1: doesn't even, look and just sort of wishes the right
35:49
Speaker 1: hand around once the hand is in there too to
35:52
Speaker 1: not only has it been spun around by the ball
35:54
Speaker 1: or the hat or, whatever But i'm gonna make it
35:56
Speaker 1: even more random by just sort of shaking my hand
35:59
Speaker 1: inside of their having the name that Says, brett you're
36:01
Speaker 1: the first pick of the. Draft he has his eyes
36:05
Speaker 1: laser focused on the bent envelope the entire time he
36:09
Speaker 1: sticks his hand. In there is an envelope on top
36:12
Speaker 1: of the bent. Envelope he reaches his hand to avoid
36:16
Speaker 1: the envelope on top of the bent envelope and flips
36:19
Speaker 1: it and picks out the bent. ONE i didn't even
36:22
Speaker 1: know about the whole bent envelope. Theory there had been this,
36:24
Speaker 1: thing this rumor as well that there's no way to
36:27
Speaker 1: prove that this Guy wagner From ernst And whitney had
36:31
Speaker 1: put The nick's envelope in a freezer like all day
36:36
Speaker 1: and that so when Stern tuck put his hand, in
36:39
Speaker 1: there would be a cold, envelope, right and it could
36:41
Speaker 1: have been a combination of. It Could there's no way
36:43
Speaker 1: to prove, that, Right So i'd only heard about the
36:46
Speaker 1: frozen envelope theory is that the envelope had been in
36:49
Speaker 1: a fridge or a freezer all day and then it
36:52
Speaker 1: was added to the. Ball but this is really actually
36:57
Speaker 1: more convincing than the Frozen. YEAH i think it is really.
37:00
Speaker 1: Convincing and the thing about it in the book we
37:03
Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of the episode that writer includes
37:08
Speaker 1: A i won't read the whole, thing but he includes
37:12
Speaker 1: a snippet from an article written in The Dallas Morning
37:15
Speaker 1: news the next day by a writer Named Randy, galloway
37:19
Speaker 1: and this writer basically, Says. Yeah in the weeks leading
37:23
Speaker 1: up to the, draft everyone was, like The knicks are
37:26
Speaker 1: gonna Get Patrick ewing and THE nba is gonna make
37:28
Speaker 1: sure The knicks Get Patrick. Ewing and then then draft
37:32
Speaker 1: happens and The knicks Get Patrick ewing and this guy's just,
37:35
Speaker 1: like you, know we can't prove, it but it seems.
37:38
Speaker 1: Fishy so this was immediately upon when this, happened people were,
37:43
Speaker 1: like that's. Weird not even immediately weeks before people knew.
37:47
Speaker 1: That the combination of the teams in the, draft it
37:50
Speaker 1: was like THE La, Clippers yeah they're FROM, la but who, Cares,
37:54
Speaker 1: Indiana Golden, state a few other just just real suck
38:00
Speaker 1: sucker teams they were in, there and everyone before the
38:02
Speaker 1: draft was, like, oh, YEAH i wonder How New york's
38:04
Speaker 1: gonna win this. ONE i wonder how that's gonna. Happen
38:07
Speaker 1: but it's gonna. Happen they knew that this was going to,
38:09
Speaker 1: Happen so then what did it? Confirmed The it confirmed
38:12
Speaker 1: the whole, thing, Right and a lot of times when
38:15
Speaker 1: there's a conspiracy, theory people look to the result and they're, like,
38:18
Speaker 1: well what they wanted to happen didn't, happen so that
38:22
Speaker 1: it's it's not. True and in this, case you, know
38:25
Speaker 1: the next winning a championship didn't, happen But Patrick ewing
38:28
Speaker 1: absolutely turned that team. Around, yeah just, yeah THEY i
38:32
Speaker 1: think they they went to ONE nba finals or was
38:36
Speaker 1: that even on the team in ninety? Nine uh, yeah
38:40
Speaker 1: he went for THE nba, finals the ones where they
38:42
Speaker 1: the one where they played The, Heat, NO i think,
38:43
Speaker 1: right you know that they lost to The. Spurs it
38:45
Speaker 1: was a it was A i think it was ninety
38:48
Speaker 1: nine was when this uh yeah short because of a
38:51
Speaker 1: strike forty eight hours after the. Draft the next got
38:54
Speaker 1: a thousand season ticket. Requests back in the day when
38:57
Speaker 1: you had to call a motherfucker to do, it called ticket. Tron,
39:00
Speaker 1: yeah THE, nba they obviously renewed their deal WITH. Cbs
39:05
Speaker 1: ewing WON Nba rookie of The. YEAR i didn't realize.
39:08
Speaker 1: This he took them to thirteen consecutive playoff. Appearance, yeah
39:12
Speaker 1: they were. Good they were good for the. Nineties they
39:14
Speaker 1: didn't win a. CHAMPIONSHIP i, mean when you're playing The
39:16
Speaker 1: bulls in the playoffs every year With Michael, jordan that's
39:19
Speaker 1: gonna it's not gonna be, great, Right it's not gonna
39:22
Speaker 1: be great for your for your. Odds but like they they.
39:25
Speaker 1: Were they were a contender that were in the mix
39:27
Speaker 1: for the next fifteen. Years. Yeah, yeah and he they
39:30
Speaker 1: they kind of just ran Into Michael jordan and we're
39:33
Speaker 1: talking On actually it'll be up by the time people hear.
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Speaker 1: This but me And brett have a sports, podcast an
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Speaker 1: unnamed sports podcast as of, now and we talk About
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Speaker 1: Lebron james on the inaugural, Episode Bron, james Le Bron.
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Speaker 1: JAMES i love. That fucking kids the Best and that's
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Speaker 1: kind of what happened To lebron early in his. Career
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Speaker 1: is he that he was Taking cleveland to the, finals
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Speaker 1: into the semi finals and just always running up against
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Speaker 1: some really fucking great team like The. Celtics celtics at the.
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Speaker 1: Time in The, Spurs, yeah but Still Patrick ewing took
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Speaker 1: them to thirteen straight playoff appearances TO Nba. Finals by
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Speaker 1: the time he left The, knicks they had a streak
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Speaker 1: of three hundred and forty seven consecutive sellout games At
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Speaker 1: Madison Square garden during his fifteen seasons with the. Team in,
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Speaker 1: total they had three hundred and ninety four. Sellouts the
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Speaker 1: thirty nine years prior to him joining The, knicks the
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Speaker 1: team only had two hundred and five. SELLOUTS i don't
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Speaker 1: believe sellout. Data no sellout data is don't believe anytime anyone's, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: yeah we've sold out this Many, yeah because a lot
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Speaker 1: of time selling. It because, basically what can happen before
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Speaker 1: a game or what does happen anytime these, TEAMS i
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Speaker 1: think The Red sox have had like consecutive sellouts for
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Speaker 1: like for like eighty years or something that right just.
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Speaker 1: Ended what happens at the end of the game is
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Speaker 1: the ticket office is, like all, right we have three
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Speaker 1: hundred two gets. Left what do we. Do, oh let's
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Speaker 1: give them to a, charity, Okay and you literally just
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Speaker 1: drop them off at the door of like a charity
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Speaker 1: right three hours before the game, starts and, like, yeah
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Speaker 1: you guys can show up or whatever or say that
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Speaker 1: you did and just throw the tickets in the trash right.
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Speaker 1: Right so that's And i've worked in ticketing, Before i've
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Speaker 1: lived In New york And i've worked In broadway. Ticketing
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Speaker 1: that's what happens when you want to maintain a sellout
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Speaker 1: or give the appearance of a, sellout is you just
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Speaker 1: you print the, tickets you comp, them and then you
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Speaker 1: literally throw them in the trash or you just give
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Speaker 1: them or you literally give them away to people right for,
41:37
Speaker 1: free so that it is sold. Out it's just that
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Speaker 1: a thousand of the seats were comped and you gave
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Speaker 1: them away on the street or in the trash. Can,
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Speaker 1: yeah but it he. Did he did turn things. Around,
41:49
Speaker 1: yeah like For New. York. Definitely they just didn't win
41:52
Speaker 1: a championship Because jordan's the greatest of all. Time that's.
41:56
Speaker 1: All so that's the that's The KNICKS Nba draft lottery.
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Speaker 1: Conspiracy i'm more convinced THAN i was two days. Ago,
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Speaker 1: YEAH i buy this one for. SURE i never saw
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Speaker 1: the envelope folding. BUSINESS i never saw. THAT i only
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Speaker 1: heard about the frozen envelope, thing which is you just
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Speaker 1: like can't, Prove, yeah you can't prove whether this one
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Speaker 1: guy who was like alone with the envelopes all day
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Speaker 1: but one of them met a. FRIDGE i don't know
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Speaker 1: how funny would it be if he forgot to bring
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Speaker 1: it with. Him what if he's still at home in his.
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Speaker 1: Freezer what if he accidentally brought out a box of
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Speaker 1: popsicles instead of The? Knicks that would be. Great these
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Speaker 1: These nestley cream sickle wins the first pick in the.
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Speaker 1: Draft so that's the. Episode this is A patreon only,
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Speaker 1: episode so you don't have to subscribe to anything Baby
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Speaker 1: patreon dollars hard at. Work M, uh good for. YOU
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Speaker 1: i bet it was good for. Them, yeah maybe, not who.
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Speaker 1: Knows so next WEEK i don't know what we're talking
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Speaker 1: about on The Conspiracy, pod but check out me And
42:55
Speaker 1: brett's sports. Podcast we'll probably add a third co host
42:59
Speaker 1: at some. Point, yeah who. Knows we'll come up with
43:02
Speaker 1: a name for, it or we'll just call it unnamed sports. Podcasts,
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Speaker 1: yeah who. Knows what's the BEST seo title for? It
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Speaker 1: just sports, podcast sports, podcast free for? Free what do
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Speaker 1: you have to? Plug? Brett, guys this season Of Big
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Speaker 1: brother is heating. UP i need to get this on the.
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Speaker 1: SOUNDBOARD i, KNOW i. KNOW i didn't bring them in.
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Speaker 1: Today Big brother's great this. Year just on the. Feeds
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Speaker 1: last night there was some drama about who just on
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Speaker 1: the on the bathroom. Seat so much good stuff going.
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Speaker 1: ON i have a podcast about. It it's for. Free
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Speaker 1: it's Called Hey. Julie find it On twitter at HEJULI
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Speaker 1: bb search for it where you get your. Pods you'll find.
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Speaker 1: It you'll find.
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Speaker 2: It.
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Speaker 1: Listen you don't have much to do this, summer so,
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Speaker 1: like regardless of whether you even Watch Big, brother, like
43:49
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to. Follow they just vote someone out
43:52
Speaker 1: of the house each. Week. Whatever it's very. Stupid me
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Speaker 1: and my Friend, danielle we're both very stupid people and
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Speaker 1: we just sort of goof off on this stupid show
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Speaker 1: for the. Summer to join us At. Hajulie give it a,
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Speaker 1: listen all, right let's get the fuck out of. Here
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Speaker 1: brett say, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. Everybody we love.
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Speaker 2: You people of a planet just has to be extolling