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Best of Ian Furness 10-6 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: It's time to talk Cougar football with two Wazoo legends,
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go. It is time to check
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  Speaker 2: in with our Cougs, Alex Brink. M. Christo Bruce, the
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  Speaker 2: legends that are Washington State University football. Alex, are you
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  Speaker 2: in the shoe shop today?
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  Speaker 3: Feels like I'm in the closet here. No, I'm at
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  Speaker 3: one of our E-Force sports facilities. It's in the side
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  Speaker 3: office with all our storage stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I won't even ask MK where he's at. He's got
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  Speaker 2: offices all across the country. When you're a world traveler
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  Speaker 2: like he is, that's what it is. That's what it is.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a lot to get to today. I had
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  Speaker 2: guys yesterday talking to me like, I'm getting texts on
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  Speaker 2: the weekend. Are the boys coming on on Tuesday? What's
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  Speaker 2: going on? They need to hear from the legends. Let's
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  Speaker 2: just start with this. Five games in, one and four.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to some of the details in a second.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just get to some overall thoughts. Alex, I'll start
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  Speaker 2: with you and what you've seen. We'll get to Fresno
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  Speaker 2: State and all that in a second, maybe possible changes.
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  Speaker 2: But let's just get the general assessment where this team
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  Speaker 2: is five games in.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's obviously really disappointing where this team
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  Speaker 3: feels like they are so snakebitten by things that I
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  Speaker 3: think are controllable, right? Pre-snap penalties and mental errors and
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  Speaker 3: things like that. And you see some flashes of good
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  Speaker 3: and some moments of good, and then they're not able
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  Speaker 3: to maintain it for 60 minutes. And I think for me,
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  Speaker 3: that's what's frustrating because I will say in past Washington
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  Speaker 3: State teams, you know, they've had their moments of struggle,
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  Speaker 3: but have seemed to be able to pull themselves out
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  Speaker 3: of it. And I don't know if that's a, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's certainly a piece where we have to appreciate that
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  Speaker 3: you have, you know, a new head coach and a
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  Speaker 3: new staff and a lot of new things. And then
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  Speaker 3: the idea of the transfer portal and like what that
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  Speaker 3: means for teams, you know, and their ability to gel,
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  Speaker 3: like some teams do it. Some teams are Indiana, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and some teams aren't, you know, and so you gotta,
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  Speaker 3: how that plays out and, you know, how these, how these,
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  Speaker 3: you know, groups gel and bond is, is I think
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  Speaker 3: an interesting dynamic and, you know, Washington state is just
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  Speaker 3: not there yet.
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  Speaker 5: You know, and I'll tell you this, you know, this
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  Speaker 5: is my first time back this season and my wife
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  Speaker 5: and I were able to fly over there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if I mentioned I'm a pilot or
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  Speaker 4: not yet, but.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, we had no idea. We don't see anything
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  Speaker 2: on social media or anything like that. Alex, did you
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  Speaker 2: know that?
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  Speaker 6: Did you know he was a pilot? I think he
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  Speaker 6: had a boat or something.
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  Speaker 4: So we fly in there. Captain.
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  Speaker 5: Landon to Pullman, and we go over to the RV Lightning.
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  Speaker 5: And here's the thing, though. Pullman's such a special place
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  Speaker 5: for anybody that's kissed there. It's my wife's first time
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  Speaker 5: back in a long time. Everybody believes that this could
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  Speaker 5: be a very good team, and we're so close to
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  Speaker 5: being that, right? As we get into the stadium, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm thinking all the way up, they've done such a
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  Speaker 5: great job of creating a fan experience. So if you
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  Speaker 5: haven't been there yet this year, they brought in lights.
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  Speaker 5: They brought in music. They brought in a screen. And
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  Speaker 5: everything for a good, great Pullman environment is set up.
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  Speaker 5: The stage was absolutely set up. The band was absolutely electrifying.
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  Speaker 5: They did a wonderful job. The atmosphere was something I
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  Speaker 5: haven't seen in years there. It was a great atmosphere
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  Speaker 5: that I think collectively Washington State set up to have
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  Speaker 5: a great win in that stadium that day.
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  Speaker 4: It was electrifying. And then when we get out there.
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  Speaker 5: Defense, I'm telling you, Ian, as a defensive back from
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  Speaker 5: Washington State, Defense could not have been in more bad situations.
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  Speaker 5: You could not have tried to put him in more
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  Speaker 5: bad situations. And collectively, this may be the worst offense
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  Speaker 5: I have seen personally, and it was so hard to watch.
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  Speaker 5: It was so hard to watch. And we'll keep talking
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  Speaker 5: about it from here, but I'm letting you go. Holistically,
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  Speaker 5: I like the environment and what Washington State is doing.
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  Speaker 5: The only way to change is offense.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get into it. It's interesting, too, because, Alex,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned that And it's true, the reality of college
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  Speaker 2: football these days, new staffs, transfer portal, new players. The
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  Speaker 2: problem is, then when you have an Oregon State with
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  Speaker 2: Jamarcus Shepard and the best freshman receiver in the country
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  Speaker 2: having great success, coming off a season like they had
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  Speaker 2: last year, which was just an absolute dumpster fire, not
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  Speaker 2: for the fact Wazoo handed them one with a missed
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  Speaker 2: chip shot field goal. I mean, they would have been
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  Speaker 2: almost winless last season. I mean, and funny, because it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of, it's flipped. The two anchor tenants of the
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  Speaker 2: Pac-12 team have flipped, and it happens just like that.
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  Speaker 2: So then there's more pressure on the new coaching staff.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be very clear. I want to be very, very,
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  Speaker 2: very clear with this. I am not giving up on
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  Speaker 2: Kirby Moore. I don't think anybody should give up on
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  Speaker 2: Kirby Moore. The last thing that this team and this
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  Speaker 2: program needs is another massive change. Three coaches in three
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  Speaker 2: years is brutal. I mean, it's unsustainable. Even in today's
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  Speaker 2: goofy environment, that's not it. Kirby has to make adjustments,
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  Speaker 2: and it took him five games to finally get to
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  Speaker 2: that point. Let's talk about the offense. Alex, we'll start there.
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  Speaker 2: None of us have called plays. It drives me insane
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  Speaker 2: when people are like, oh, a play calling. How do
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  Speaker 2: you know? But those who do, analysts, Ryan Leaf, Alex Brink,
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  Speaker 2: and others that watch it, are questioning some things. So
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  Speaker 2: they make the change. Kirby Moore, I believe, successful offensive
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  Speaker 2: coordinator at Missouri, probably should have. taken over and should
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  Speaker 2: have been the play caller from day one. But first-year
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  Speaker 2: head coach, I'm going on too long. But, guys, Mike
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  Speaker 2: McDonough was a first-year head coach. He says, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: giving up play calling duties on the defense. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I do because I've got a great defensive coordinator. It's
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  Speaker 2: my other set of eyes. I like the fact Kirby's
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  Speaker 2: taking that step. Let's start there, Alex. What are you
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  Speaker 2: seeing from that change? What do you think that could
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  Speaker 2: help us with?
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, I think one thing that Kirby Moore has
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  Speaker 3: done great in his career as an offensive coordinator is
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  Speaker 3: he can adapt his play calling to personnel, right?
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  Speaker 6: And like what he has.
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  Speaker 3: So at Fresno with Jake Hainer, they were spreaded out three,
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  Speaker 3: four wide drop back pass. I mean, Jake Hainer's an
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  Speaker 3: NFL quarterback and they like let that thing ride. When
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  Speaker 3: he gets to Missouri in the SEC, he's got a
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  Speaker 3: probably first round NFL draft pick at running back and
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  Speaker 3: it becomes an athletic quarterback and it becomes more run first.
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  Speaker 3: It becomes creative in the run game. you know, they're
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  Speaker 3: going to use the screen game. So like, I think
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  Speaker 3: he understands that aspect of it. And he also knows
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  Speaker 3: where his players are limited. And so he knows how
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  Speaker 3: to put them in the best situations possible. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that's one thing that like through five weeks that
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  Speaker 3: I've noticed is that it's been a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: same plays. And I think the idea of that was
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  Speaker 3: to keep things simple and make things, you know, try
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  Speaker 3: and make it easier for the players. The reality is,
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  Speaker 3: the players, it just, it wasn't good for them. There
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  Speaker 3: was not the right situations, right? Like the offensive line's
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  Speaker 3: probably not going to run outside zone great because they
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  Speaker 3: don't reach and run very well. That's just not who
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  Speaker 3: they are, right? You're probably not going to be able
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  Speaker 3: to throw the ball vertically downfield the way you think
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  Speaker 3: because you just don't have enough team speed to like
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  Speaker 3: press the ball downfield. But quick game, screen game, you know,
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  Speaker 3: downhill run, quarterback run, like there are things that you
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  Speaker 3: have seen be successful. And I think You just haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen enough of it called, and I think that's where
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  Speaker 3: Kirby Moore can probably pretty objectively look at what his
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  Speaker 3: personnel can do and get them in the best position possible.
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  Speaker 3: That's really what I'm hoping for because, again, I think
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  Speaker 3: there's opportunity there, but they've got to find the consistency, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: MK, let me ask you as a defensive guy. You
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  Speaker 2: were on the sideline. You look at it from defensive eyes.
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  Speaker 2: how easy has this offense been to defend? All the
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  Speaker 2: things Alex just said, if they can't do this or that,
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  Speaker 2: but there's other things they can do. But you're watching there.
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  Speaker 2: How easy do you think it's been to defend this
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  Speaker 2: Cougar offense?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and not to bash, because I'm not coming out
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  Speaker 5: here bashing, but when I'm watching this, it is the
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  Speaker 5: most vanilla thing I've ever seen. I've seen high school
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  Speaker 5: schemes that have been better and more dynamic and as
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  Speaker 5: a defensive guy, I'm literally watching and it's just, you know,
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  Speaker 5: three step drops or, or, you know, it's, it's the
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  Speaker 5: same thing every single time. And even, even the blocking
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  Speaker 5: schemes already know I'm watching the play that I can
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  Speaker 5: just stand them up, ship them off.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm, I'm attacking this run.
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  Speaker 5: So there was nothing that was throwing me off or,
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  Speaker 5: or surprising me at all and could not get his
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  Speaker 5: first down and save their life.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and that's, and that's, you know, the limitations that
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  Speaker 2: you might have. And I don't want to put it
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  Speaker 2: on one guy, you know, Freeman's not like an all
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  Speaker 2: American or.
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  Speaker 6: Anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: You can't put it on one guy.
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  Speaker 2: But, but I, Let's go down the quarterback road, Alex.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Caden Pinnock. You know, over the years, it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to, because over the years, Wazoo's had great quarterback play. Like,
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  Speaker 2: they've had great quarterback play. I mean, Alex, you had
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  Speaker 2: a cup of coffee in the end. I mean, almost
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  Speaker 2: every one of these guys over the last few years
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  Speaker 2: has had at least a dance in the NFL, it
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  Speaker 2: feels like, right? And now, outside of Kevin Lapina, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what we're feeling like, it's the Kevin Lapina show. Like, it's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's, you know, it just, so... Kirby said yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: Alex Brink, MK, and Christopher Bruce with us. Kirby said
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  Speaker 2: yesterday that everything's on the, you know, opening it up.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's going to get reps this week. Is there any
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  Speaker 2: part of you, Alex, that thinks a quarterback change is necessary?
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  Speaker 2: Because there isn't a fan in the world that thinks otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll ask the quarterback. Is a quarterback change necessary?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know, I've been there, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like, I've been a part of that conversation. And I've
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  Speaker 3: been on both sides of it, right? I've been the
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  Speaker 3: backup that came in. I've been the starter that's gotten benched.
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  Speaker 3: Like I've I've been all of it.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And I see all of it. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think what I would say is that. Kirby Moore's
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  Speaker 3: right to open it up and create competition, you know, at,
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  Speaker 3: you know, one in four, like it is.
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  Speaker 6: What it is.
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  Speaker 3: And everybody in the room, everybody in the building knows
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  Speaker 3: that it's a game of results, regardless of how you
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  Speaker 3: get there. And so, you know, I think that idea
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  Speaker 3: is totally fine. Like it should light a fire under Caden.
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  Speaker 3: It should get the other guys excited. And, and then,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the chips fall where they may do. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's, do I think Caden should be benched because of,
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: you know, the first five weeks of the season?
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  Speaker 4: Not really.
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't, I, cause like there's too much going on,
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  Speaker 3: on that side of the ball to pin it on
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  Speaker 3: one guy. But like, again, if, if for Kirby, if
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  Speaker 3: it's like, we just need a fresh start to like
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  Speaker 3: get things, see if we can jumpstart things.
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  Speaker 6: And like, that's part of football. Like I've been a
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  Speaker 6: part of that also, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: And so I would, I, I, prefer to think that
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  Speaker 3: with Kirby Moore taking over call and plays, you get
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  Speaker 3: yourself in a better position offensively from a play calling standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: and then Caden can be successful like we've seen him
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: be successful in the first half of Arizona or at
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  Speaker 3: times during Kansas State and things like that, even during
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  Speaker 3: the UW game. So I think everybody's frustrated, rightfully so,
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  Speaker 3: and things kind of roll downhill, as we know, and
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  Speaker 3: it usually starts with head coach, offense coordinator, quarterback. So
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  Speaker 3: it just is what it is. I think there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of other issues involved. on that offense. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think particularly offensive lines got to find, got to
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  Speaker 3: play better. Like you have six guys that came back
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  Speaker 3: with playing experience, you know, playing time and they have
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  Speaker 3: to find a way to protect and establish the run better.
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  Speaker 3: It's just not, and that may be scheme again. Like
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  Speaker 3: I don't, that's the part I have a hard time
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  Speaker 3: understanding is like, you know, maybe, maybe again, they're not
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  Speaker 3: being put in the best position possible to find success.
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  Speaker 6: I think that could be a very real thing.
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  Speaker 5: And here's what I see on the sideline, on the
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  Speaker 5: ground lower. Cause you got that, that view from a
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  Speaker 5: top two, but, When I'm looking at this, is this
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  Speaker 5: offense put in the right position to be successful? Like Penning,
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  Speaker 5: should he be dropping straight back, sitting in the pocket?
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  Speaker 5: Would he be better off rolling in a bootleg situation
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  Speaker 5: where he can use his legs if he has to
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  Speaker 5: get out of.
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  Speaker 4: There or whatnot?
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  Speaker 5: But like you were saying, this offense collectively– has not
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  Speaker 5: found a rhythm.
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  Speaker 4: And at some point, if you guys saw it on Saturday,
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  Speaker 4: the crowd was booing.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there was really a rock bottom in that
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  Speaker 5: situation where you couldn't have gotten any worse on offense.
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  Speaker 5: So do you put a Duggard in and go wildcat
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  Speaker 5: and figure something out there? Or do you put somebody
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  Speaker 5: else in and mix it up or do something? But
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  Speaker 5: Penick's reaction to everything, granted, you're frustrated, you're a young guy,
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  Speaker 5: you know, missing, and you're probably talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 5: missing another one of those interviews and him coming back
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  Speaker 5: and apologizing again. I mean, it feels like he's at
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  Speaker 5: rock bottom. He has nowhere else to go, but up,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, what's the.
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  Speaker 4: Next move there?
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  Speaker 6: Well, let me go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: And I would say, I would just encourage everybody to,
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  Speaker 3: to again, like what happens, especially this, I can't even
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  Speaker 3: imagine when I was playing, what it would be like,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, I caution everybody that is trying to
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  Speaker 3: be like the armchair analyst that like watches a clip
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  Speaker 3: and is like, Oh man, that guy's coming free.
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  Speaker 6: He's got to like throw that. And it's like, Oh,
• 13:01
  Speaker 6: that guy's wide open.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like, nobody knows what the read is like
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  Speaker 3: nobody knows what the protection is so nobody knows really
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  Speaker 3: who's at fault and i think that's always something you
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  Speaker 3: got to be really careful of when you're kind of
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  Speaker 3: evaling thing from an outside even for me like i
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  Speaker 3: i have the all 22 i watch all the tape
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  Speaker 3: i've watched all the game tape but like i don't
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  Speaker 3: actually know the exact play call and how it's exactly
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  Speaker 3: taught and supposed to happen and so i think you
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  Speaker 3: gotta be really careful in the judgment there now again
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  Speaker 3: results are all that matter. So ultimately you got to
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  Speaker 3: figure out how to get that. One thing I liked
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  Speaker 3: about say like last year's offense, which was a little
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  Speaker 3: bit times anemic, maybe by design is that they did
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  Speaker 3: do things like have packages for Duggar or some trick
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  Speaker 3: plays or some like things that mixed it up. So
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  Speaker 3: that's where I'm interested to see it. Where's the creativity
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  Speaker 3: go in this offense to create whoever's pulling the trigger quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: There's gotta be some more creativity. There's gotta be more
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  Speaker 3: easy throws on first down. There's gotta be probably less
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  Speaker 3: run game, frankly, you know, and be throw first to win.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting, Alex Brink and Crystal Bruce. Yeah, Alex, I
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  Speaker 2: was just thinking for you, when you were a quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the ups and downs that you went through
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  Speaker 2: during your years. Can you imagine with social media? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: my God. You know, we're all frustrated. I think it
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  Speaker 2: was an important year going in. You know, last year,
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  Speaker 2: think about it. Last year, there were some similar things.
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  Speaker 2: Jackson Potter gets the first starts of the year, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a guy in Zeviak House sitting on the sideline.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's like, man, we saw this guy in a bowl game.
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  Speaker 2: He did something, right? And they finally made that move.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the thing. If for no other reason that, like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe for the betterment of Caden Pinnock, maybe for the
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  Speaker 2: betterment of the program, and MK, I'll let you speak
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  Speaker 2: to this, the locker room, it's not working. And it's
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: the most important position in sports. It just is. Like,
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: you could talk starting pitchings, goaltenders in hockey, whatever. The
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: most important position in sports is quarterback. If it's not working,
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: if he's not working, if he's, maybe he just, the
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: fact that they haven't even taken him out for a
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: series is mind-boggling to me. Like, that just is absolutely,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: to me, it's not fair to him. It's not fair,
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: and MKL throw it to you. I don't think it's
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: fair to the rest of the team. Like, now maybe
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: the rest of the team's in that locker room going, hey, man,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: I've watched Eshelman in practice. I've watched Duggar in practice.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: It ain't going to get better. But it just feels
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: like you need to make a change. Maybe it's not
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: the start, but maybe if you have a series or two,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: maybe just give one, whoever number two is, we don't
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: even know who number two is because they listed as or, right?
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: It could be Duggar. It could be Eshelman. We don't know.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: But whoever number two is, it's not like the kid
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: playing in front of him is an All-American. It's not
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: like the kid in front of him, you know. I mean,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I'm going nuts looking at the kid at Idaho rally
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: his team for a win against Montana State. Eight miles away,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: the guy's a legacy. Why the hell is he not
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: in Pullman? You know, like, what are we doing? But
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: that said, MK, what do you think the locker room's
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: thinking right now?
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: You know, I'll tell you on the sideline, the defense
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: is the heart and soul of this team, right?
• 15:46
  Speaker 7: You got to.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: And Caden Beatty, that guy is an absolute psychopath. If
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: nobody has seen this guy or talked to him or
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: been around him, he's an absolute psychopath.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: And I love it.
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: Him and Keith Brown are just absolute studs and the
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: leaders of this team. But, you know, I don't think
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: they've lost confidence in pinning, but you can see the
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: slumping and the disappointment. I mean, there's definitely a feeling
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: on the sideline of like, they need a spark. And
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: like you were saying, it's got to be a mix
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: up of somebody coming in and doing that. Is it
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: a wildcat with, you know, with Duggar or whatever, right?
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: But something has to change because, you know, Pinnock does
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: look defeated. I mean, the look in his eye was
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: just pure defeat.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that, listen, the adults in the room,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to just say this. I don't want to
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: put you guys in a bad position.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: I'll just say it.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: The adults in the room got to do a better
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: job with him and with everything. Like, it is such
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: a bad look. Alex, I don't know if you ever
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: were hit. Bill Stevens did a great job for decades
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: at Wazoo. You can't just keep hiding the team leader
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: and not having no offensive players available after the game.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: That is such a bad look. In today's college football,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: these guys are different than when you guys played. Whether
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: it's $ 250, 000, $ 1, 000, it doesn't matter. They're basically getting paid.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: You've got to face the music. You've got to be accountable,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: especially if you're the quarterback. Two times for him not
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: to show up. I don't think it's on him. I'm
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: guessing it's on protecting him. That ain't working either. You've
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: got to face the music. Washington did that once this
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: year with DeMond. It's dumb. Put him out there. By
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: the way, it could be worse. It could be John Mateer.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: How's life for you down in Norman right now? It's
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: hard all the way around. Let's look ahead. Alex, this
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: game coming up, you mentioned the offensive line, and I
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: think that's the key. Running the football has been a
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: massive challenge, and God, weren't we all excited? You get
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the three guys back. You bring them all back, especially
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the top two. I'll do respect to Pulaski. It's Woods
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and Voorhees. I feel like there's times I see a
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: pretty good pocket in terms of passing and maybe no
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: one's coming open. You're watching all 22, but running the
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: football and you guys kind of talked about it. Running
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: the football has some massive limitations. That's a disappointment too,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: because you brought all these guys back and all six
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: of them, right?
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, that's, that's the part that's really hard
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: for me to watch. I mean, I think there's like,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: there was a sequence in the game. I think it
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: was like the second quarter where, you know, coogs run
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: like a naked they throw it to trey leckman he
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: gets nine yards you're in second one it's.
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: Like oh we're in like the best that that's it
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: we did it and then.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Like you go and run like you know g guard
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: halfback counter guard h back counter and it's like centered
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: misses and maxwell woods instead of just staying straight ahead
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: and just picking up zero or taking a one yard
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: loss bounces outside and loses nine and now you're in
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: third and ten and it was like I mean, those
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: are things like you can talk about play calling all
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: you want.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: It's like, what do you do there? You know what
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: I mean?
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Like that's and so it's like things like that, that,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: you know, they've been behind the chains, run the football ton.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: You see the you often this is what I was
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: talking about. Like, is this team built to run wide zone?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: And so many things is oftentimes like the running backs
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: are good. contacts being made on them at or near
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, they're not getting to the second level.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: So like a guy like Kirby, that's like a one
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: cut kind of vertical run back, like never get.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: He's chopping his feet in the backfield. He never gets
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: to see that speed, like get going.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: And, and Maxwell Woods, who's a little shiftier, he needs
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: to be able to see that first cut so he
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: can get up in there. And it's like, he never
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: sees a cut. And so, um, you know, again, like I,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: some of that for sure is scheme. Some of that's
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: for sure coaching and then some of that's for sure execution.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: It's kind of all of it.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: And everybody wants to find the one thing that goes
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: together for how offensive football works. Like it's 11, there's
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: 11 bodies out there that everything has to go right. Um,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: for it to be a good one. And, and right
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: now you're not, you rarely are getting all 11 things
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: going your way.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Okay. For sure.
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's, let's, uh, let's wrap it up with
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: this fellas. It's, uh, You go to Logan on Friday,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: that's a team that's struggling as well. A little surprised
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: with Bronco there coaching. It's been an interesting year. A
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: year of transition. We've had two years of exhibition games.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Now we've got a year of transition. Some are flourishing.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Boise State's picked up where they left off. Oregon State,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know. What the hell? Whatever's going on there,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: give them credit. Give the Beavs credit. I'm a little
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: surprised by Utah State's struggle just with the coaching acumen there,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: but Alex, on Friday night, what do you want to see?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Let's assume Pinnock plays. Do you want to see somebody
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: else come in or if he struggles at all? And
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying quick hook one series, but what do
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: you envision seeing and hoping to see on Friday?
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Offensively, I just want to see a more cohesive plan.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I want to see it tie together. That's the thing
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: about offense. Oftentimes when I'm watching great offensive play going,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I can kind of see where it's going.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: Like, oh, we're throwing.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: we're throwing something to the right sideline to stretch the defense.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: We throw it to the left sideline and stretch the defense.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Then boom, it's a downhill run that, you know, you're,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: you're gashing a team when they're not, you know, right.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Then you see a play that happens a couple of
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: times over. And the next thing you know, there's a
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: double move off of it, or there's a reverse off
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: of it. So like, I want to see the cohesion
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: and not just like a grab bag of plays that
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: are like, we're hoping works. And so whoever's playing quarterback,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: like if you see that, if you see that cohesion,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: if you see more first down pass, if you see
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: more first and second down screen plays, like.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: I think it's going to be successful.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: That's really what I want to see, because to MK's point,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: the defense is doing the best they can with the
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: situations they're giving.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: And they really are the heart and soul.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: And like you want to you want them to feel good,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: have some opportunities where, you know, they get some short
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: fields and, you know, and or long fields that they
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: can keep a defense or an offense pinned back. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: so I'd like to see that level of complimentary football.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: And that's a big thing, too, because the game actually
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: changes right now. I mean, that was the best defense
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: I've seen. I think this is the first time seven
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: tackles for loss. I mean, they were in every bad
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: situation they could.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: And think about this.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: If you're always down, you don't really get the chance
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: to pin your ears back and get more sections.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Like, why do we not have more sections? Like, well,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: the other team's always up. You know what I mean?
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: So defensively, they've been playing well.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: I do like Alex was saying, if there's any kind
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: of cohesions, first down scoring points, Defense and special teams
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: should never score more points than the offense, right? So
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: if we can get that turned around, it's going to
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: be a totally different situation.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I like Kirby. It took six weeks. I like the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: fact that he's taken over the offense. I think that's
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a good thing. It should have been sooner, but it's now.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Here's the beautiful thing you got going for you. You
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: got a great defensive coordinator. He shouldn't have to worry
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: about that and doesn't need to worry about that side
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: of the ball because Trent Bray can just handle that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You go do your thing and It's kind of an
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: NFL model in a sense, right? You've got a defensive
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: head coach, and Mike McDonald is watching defense a hell
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: of a lot more than he's watching offense. We're watching
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: training camp and practices. So let's see what happens. Are
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you flying down there, MK? I mean, I don't know
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: if people don't know you're a pilot. You could fly
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: into Logan if you want.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if you knew this or not,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: but Logan's not too far away from me.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hopefully you get down there and get him
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: going again. Alex, tell us about the shoe brand.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, check out osaga.com. Family shoe brand my brother and
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I revived from the 1970s. Retro casual wear, retro runners,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: super comfortable, really great quality.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Osaga, O-S-A-G-A.com.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: MK, sell me a house. Give me a mortgage.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: If you're looking for a HELOC, if you're looking to
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: buy a house or refinance, call Team Bruce over at
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Guild Mortgage. Or if you're just looking at any kind
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: of fitness at all, Maple Valley Renton, Covington, Black Diamond,
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: Four Corners, come over to the Buffalo Gym.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: You're the man.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Guys, go get one. Let's hope it's a better conversation
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: next Tuesday.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: Thanks a lot.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Go Cougs.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Go Cougs, baby.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: That's Alex M.K. We'll come back. Much more to come.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: John Lund coming up at 2 o'clock, 93.3 KGRFM.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: It's time for Ian's weekly visit with John Lund, Unleashed,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the Bay Area rock star who Ian's been kicking around
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: for a couple of decades. They'll be talking NFC West,
• 23:38
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• 23:44
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• 23:49
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• 23:52
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• 23:56
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• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to a minimum. Here's John Lund with Ian.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Our friends at Chambers Bay Distillery located in Bridgeport on
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Bridgeport Avenue down there, University Place. They want me to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: point out that tonight they have trivia night at the
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: tasting room for Chambers Bay Distillery. So go head on
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: down there if you're one of those trivia guys, which
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: makes you smart. I'm not. Head on down there. It's
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a good time. Good craft cocktails. with our friends at
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Chambers Bay Distillery, and I was thinking about sending a
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: bottle of bourbon down to our buddy, but he's late today,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: so screw you, Lon. You'll get nothing today, and you'll
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: like it.
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: You'll have nothing and like it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Our text line right now at 49451, there is a
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: lot of There is a lot of anti-Lund sentiment on there.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: You're afraid to come on. It's 49er hate week. That's
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: why he's late today. Clearly, Lund is late. This was
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: not the week for you to pull this stunt, fella.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you right now, it does not look
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: good on you or the 49ers for really the face
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: of 49er football in the Bay Area to be late.
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I am the face of 49ers football. And like
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: I said, I, I'm still sitting in the penthouse of foreign.
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: Oh, you played the dregs. I mean, oh, and four
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: chargers and even made it, they made it a one
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: score game.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, come on, man.
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: We played Denver.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: We played a team that, you know, is formidable. We
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: played a formidable opponent.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: You played the Chargers and all these other weak teams,
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: and we've already beaten the Rams.
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: I mean, come on, man.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: That's a big word for you, by the way. That's
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a really big word for you.
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: Formidable?
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a big word.
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: I have no idea what it means.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: No idea.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I think it means the other team's good. I think
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: that's what it means. First of all, I brought this
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: up earlier. Look at the text. It's kind of mixed.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: We're trying to figure out... The rivalry in the NFC West.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Is it 49ers or is it Rams? I think I've
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: come to a conclusion, and I don't know if you
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: guys share the same thing. I think maybe you're more
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Rams-centric down there, but I could be wrong. I think
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: for us here in Seattle, it's very much a three-way thing. Seattle,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the Rams, and the 49ers. It depends on the week,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the month, the year, but it's a three-way rivalry. Arizona,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you guys aren't included in the party. You can't be
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: part of it.
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: No. No. Again, I don't know in terms of Seattle.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: I would think based on last year, just because those
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: last two games were so good, that maybe it's a
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: Rams thing and the 49ers have to force their way
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: back in. Because, I mean, there's the history. You don't
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: really have history.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: With the Rams.
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: The Niners used to dominate the Rams.
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: And all that kind of stuff.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: So it really.
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: isn't from a San Francisco standpoint, I can tell you
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: that the Rams aren't, even though Kyle and Sean McVay
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: are kind of the same and all this, all these
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: different things, it's, it's been a Seattle rivalry because of
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: Harbaugh and Pete Carroll, and because they both, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: want to play smash mouth football and all these different things.
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: And the weird thing about it is like people in
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: the Bay area hate the Dodgers. You know, they hate
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: the Lakers.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: They hate those two teams and they don't have as
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: much vitriol for the, for the Rams. And every time
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: I try to bring it up, it's just not one
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: of those things. Now the Rams beat the Niners a
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: couple of years ago in an NFC championship game. Like
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: I said, nobody likes Sean McVay unless you're a Rams
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: fan and there's actually no Rams fan. So I don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: know who would actually like them, but yeah, But, you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: so yeah, for the 49ers, you know, speaking for the
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: fan bases, I do because I am the head of it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: The Seahawks and the Niners from here. But I can
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: understand Seattle, at least right now, having it be a
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: Rams thing because of what happened last year and winning
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: that game in the way that they did in the
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: regular season and then winning the NFC Championship game in
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: the way that they did. So yeah, I get that.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: It's always a better atmosphere, I'll say that, though, with
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: the 49ers. And I brought it up in 2023, that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: December game in 2023 when The 49ers came here and
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: beat Pete Carroll and Seattle on that December day, and
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: there were a ton of 49er fans here. They travel
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: really well. Yeah, and then a couple weeks later, Pittsburgh
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: was here, and there were a ton of Pittsburgh fans here,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and I kind of felt like that was when Seattle
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: kind of lost for two or three years the home
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: field advantage, and it was like, this is the beginning
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: of the end, because Seattle fans are the same way.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: They travel really well. Seahawks fans travel. Seahawks fans, 49er fans,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and Dallas fans all kind of, are the ones
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like travel the best in the NFL. They
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: took over. Since McDonald's been here, Seattle's 3-2, including the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: playoff game against San Francisco in the five games they've played.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens this week. Tell me this.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: How in the hell has Brock Purdy not been sacked?
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a great point because it's four games. For
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: the 49ers, that hasn't happened since 1965. For the NFL,
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: and press your friends because I'm just a world of
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: knowledge person, this hasn't happened to begin a season since
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: Peyton Manning in 2005, he went 114 straight games or
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: excuse me, passes 114 shakes passes without being sacked rocks
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: at one 13, by the way, the all-time record is
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: Marino at seven 58, God, 758 straight passes because he did.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: He didn't give you time to get to him.
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: His release was so fast. So He's not anywhere near that,
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: but for an offensive line that is kind of maligned
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: and Trent Williams is, you know, 38 years old and
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: everything they're playing, they're averaging over five yards of carry
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: on the offensive line and they haven't given up a sack.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: So right now that's kind of what their strength is.
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: Their other strength is they've got a bunch.
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: Of old guys. Most of their touchdowns have been caught
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: by 30 plus year olds. Kittle's 32, Debo's 30, Mike
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: Evans is 33. For some reason, They've got injuries all
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: over the place, but they're 30 plus year old guys
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: have been able to stay relatively healthy and they're, you know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: they're banged up more than any other team in the NFL.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: It's always what they are, but yeah, their offensive line
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: has been great. Their offense has been the best offense.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: in the NFL by just about any metric. They there's, well,
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: their second points are second yards, but I mean, across
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: the board, third down conversions and, you know, Kyle has
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: been absolutely a mastermind, but the problem for the 49ers
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: and everybody knows this, and this isn't, isn't just Seattle.
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: Mike McDonald has, has been the kryptonite for lack of
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: a better word, the kryptonite for Kyle Shanahan. This goes
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: back to, there.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Was a game.
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: I don't know if you remember it, but there was
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: a game on Christmas night a few years ago, the
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: year before he was installed as Seattle's head coach. And
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: he absolutely just throttled the 49ers. They beat him by
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: three touchdowns. They couldn't do anything. Brock was having a
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: great year, completely neutralized him. And then he's gone on to,
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: to Seattle and done the same thing. In fact, again,
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: I don't know if you'd remember this, but last year
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: they put Kyle on the super bowl coverage and they
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: put them on there specifically to talk about the Seahawks.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: And they asked him a question directly. They said, well,
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: how do you beat a Mike McDonald defense? And he goes,
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: how the hell would I know the last few times
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: that we've played him? I haven't scored a touchdown. Like
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: he just, he just dead banded. Like, I don't know
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: how to beat his defense. I never can beat his defense.
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: So as well as they're playing offensively, and it's one
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: of the better offenses in all of the league and
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: every metric that you'll see in Brock Purdy's even being
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: talked about as an MVP, he's been that good. They
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: have not done well. Kyle specifically has not done well
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: against Mike McDonald's defenses, even if it was in Baltimore
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: or Seattle.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: And you notice Wiles McDonald struggled against Sean McVay. Right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: But I think it just goes back. It's a three-way thing.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: These three teams, you guys have just kind of rolled.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I'll joke you aside. The 49ers have just kind of
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: rolled through. Here in Seattle, we're kind of talking like, yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: you're 3-1, but it just doesn't feel like a good 3-1.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I haven't played a great four quarters yet. The old cliche,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I've got to play four quarters. But really, if you
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: look at Seattle, every game they've had one or two
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: good quarters, and it's been enough. Because they're good enough
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: to do that, and the competition has been what it
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: has been. But by and large, they just haven't been
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: good enough all the way through. You guys really, for
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the most part, have played four complete games, right?
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say so.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: They have those lapses, you know, and they probably will
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: now that he said that this weekend, but.
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they haven't had the lapses. And I, we said
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: this last.
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: Year, they went 12 and five of the most injuries
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: in the league. They're doing the same thing this year.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: And I really don't know how they're doing it because
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: like defensively, they're going to have a three, seven to carry.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: Seattle doesn't have much of a running game.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I know you're dealing with that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: They had a decent week last off, obviously last week
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: against the chargers, but trying to sign mixing, which didn't
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: work out. I feel like this may be an unpopular
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: opinion or it might be the opinion of record in Seattle.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: I think the worst off season move was not signing
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: Ken Walker. I just, what he's doing in Kansas city,
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: he's 20, you know, 26 year old guy. I think
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: he's hitting his stride. I think I just, I don't
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: understand for all the home runs that John Schneider has hit.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: And I give him a ton of credit of just win, win, win.
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: Great move. Great move. Great move. I don't get that one.
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: You'd have to explain it to me, but they're not
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: hitting their stride because of their running game right now.
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: And then Sam Darnold, this is just my amateur thing.
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: Sam Darnold, isn't a carry the offense kind of a
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: guy that's no knock on him. It says he needs
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: the run game. Like a lot of quarterbacks need to
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: run game. Brock Purdy needs to run game. Josh Allen
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: needs the run game. They all need a balanced offense.
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: So I think that's the struggle. And if, you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: up here, at least the prevailing.
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: Opinion is, is that it's a good time to be
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: playing the.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: Seahawks because they're going to figure it out. I have
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: no doubt they're going to run the ball and they're
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: going to figure it out, but this, you know, it
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: just takes a minute. And you know, the difference is
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: exact for like Brian Flurry, the offensive coordinator there up
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: in Seattle, what is he called four games in his life?
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: Kyle Shanahan just passed.
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: Bill Walsh as the longest tenured, as far as games coached.
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: in the history of the 49ers at 167 games. So
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: he's called offenses law about 10 years before he became
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: the head coach and he's been here 10 years.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: So you're looking at an offensive.
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: Coordinator in Kyle Shanahan, that's called plays. And you know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: was Mike Shannon's kid for 20 years going against the
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: guy who's calling plays for the first time in, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: for four games. And it was the same thing last
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: week against Denver, Sean Payton gave up late calling duties
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: to a guy in Davis web. Who's called four games.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: And it looked like it last week. You know, why
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: is Christian McCaffrey not carrying the ball? Like, I don't
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: want to talk about your fantasy team.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about that.
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: He cares about your fantasy team.
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: This is about your fantasy team.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: You're right.
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: Hey, think about this though.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: In all seriousness, he has fewer carries in Emmanuel Wilson.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: Like, yeah.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: Like what?
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: What?
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: Like this is, and I was the one who said
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: it was going to be fine. So I feel some responsibility,
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: but I still don't care. But the thing is, is
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: that the, we saw this last week, he had 15
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: carries and four receptions. So he's up to.
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: 19 for his 49ers career.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: He averages 18 carries and about five. So he's about
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: 23 touches per game. And he's starting to inch up
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: towards that because Kyle just can't help it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: I would imagine, because you know this as well as
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: I do.
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: And so do your listeners, that for a coach, they
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: use the term trust all the time. And their backup
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: running back is Kalen Black, who's a rookie out of Indiana,
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: who they like a lot. But I don't think they're
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: going to trust him up in Seattle. So I expect
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: him to get a heavy workload, because as they play
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: these tougher games... And everybody knows here's the main thing.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: Everybody knows to go anywhere. You got to win this
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: division because then you're going to be playing like maybe Atlanta.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: You're going to be in the four or five matchup
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: with Atlanta. Or if you're the third place team in
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: this division, you're going to be lower than that. It's
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: really hard Rams, Niners or Seahawks to go from that position.
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: So Seattle goes to the Superbowl and wins it last year.
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: Cause they won the division. And if you have like
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: the Niners last year, they went to Seattle, had they
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: won that game, which that's hilarious to say, cause they
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: were never even close in that game. They would have
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: had to go to the Rams. Like who, you know,
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: in this division, if you have to be a wild
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: card team and you have to go to Seattle, So
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: let's just say the Niners last year would have had
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: to go to Seattle, then the Rams. You're not winning
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: those games. So these games between these two teams right now,
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: or the Rams or whatever, they're incredibly important because you've
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: got to win the division.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: This is a bigger game, by the way, for the Seahawks.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: You have to win your home game.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: You think so?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to win your home game
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: against the division opponents. Now, they didn't last year, and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: they won the division. Yeah, I get that. But the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: way things have gone already... and maybe Darnold's going to
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: get going at some point. Seattle's running game is, they
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: went and signed a guy off the commander's practice squad,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: and he's on the roster now. That kind of feels
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: like what you guys have gone through when McCaffrey gets
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: hurt every other year. He's not hurt yet or anything
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: like that, but that's kind of what it feels like.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: You can't run the ball. Darnold's not quite right. This
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: is a game the 49ers— probably feel like they're going
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: to get or should get, and yet Seattle being the
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: home team, you don't want to give that away. When's
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: the next game, by the way? Is it end of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the year?
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: No.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: It's coming up quick, isn't it? When's the next game
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: between the teams?
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I have to look. I should have looked. I
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: should have been prepared.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: I'm not prepared for.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: The show today. Oh, no, November 29th.
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I knew it was fairly soon, but well, and here's,
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: here's the one thing. So everything I just said, you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: they're doing great. They're scoring a bunch of points. They
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: still have a major injuries at wide receiver. They have
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: major injuries along the defensive line. And the one thing
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: that Seattle can take advantage of now, obviously we're going
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: to try to run the ball.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: They've been really good.
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: They have a million injuries along their D line. Like
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: Nick most is not going to play.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And a lot of guys are out. That's unfortunate.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sure. Cause he, he basically, I mean, I
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: know that they won the game with your good friend
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: Tungus who's out by the way, last year with that
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: catch at the end, but it was Bosa who made
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: that play that knocked the ball away from Darnold. And
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: the thing is the Niners had 20 sacks last year,
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: which was the worst in the NFL. They're on pace
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: for 26 this year. They have the, they have one
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: of the lowest pressure rates, lowest sack rates. They don't,
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: the one thing they don't do is they don't get
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: to the quarterback. So if the, if the Seahawks are
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: going to get well in the passing game, if Sam
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: Darnold could not, not turn the ball over from a
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: Seattle standpoint, double negative, if he, if he, you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: continues to do that, that'd be great. But again, the
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: Niners don't get to the quarterback. And if they do,
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: what they're doing is with Raheem Morris as their defensive coordinator,
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: instead of Robert Sala, who's there last year is they're
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: blitzing a lot. They're blitzing. They're bringing different guys, not
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: necessarily blitz percentages up. It's just that they'll bring a
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: safety and bring a guy back, you know, like his
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: own blitz kind of thing, or they'll bring a linebacker,
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: bring a DN back or whatever, because their, their regular
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: pass rush is not getting to the quarterback. So RAM,
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: 425 area code, RAMS is a big word for Lund. So, like,
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: that's true.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: Cat, dog, you know.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: People wondering if.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: I struggle.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Let's see.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: What are you going to do?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: A lot of people asking if you got caught in
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: the substation gravitational pull.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so....
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: I mean, the injuries are ridiculous.
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: They have, I don't have the number straight in front.
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: Of me, but they, their injuries are like 40% more than,
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: than any other team. Like it's just like they're wider.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: They're down.
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: Like you were just talking about running backs. I mean,
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: they're dude, they've signed Brandon cooks. They've signed, they've signed
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: like three, they signed a Dante Pettis, the former Washington Husky.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: They drafted him in 2017.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: He's horrible. They just brought him back. And he hurt
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: his calf on the first day. They have no defensive line.
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: They have no wide receivers.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: I have no idea how they're winning.
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: It's crazy.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I made all the Husky fans mad. I don't mind that, actually.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Big thanks to our friends at Chambers Bay. Original Boathouse
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: aged bourbon, by the way. And again, don't forget to
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: check out the Town Center Tasting Room down there in
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: University Place. They've got trivia tonight. So go check that out.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Have a great craft cocktail. Maybe I'll send you a
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: bottle down there if the 49ers win.
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: How's that? Yeah, let's bet something. Yeah, how about that?
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: That's a good idea. We'll do it off the air,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: because I've got to go. You're late, and I'm late now,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm getting in big trouble. No, come on.
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: Rich doesn't care.
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: I just talked to Rich like five minutes ago. He goes,
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: take as long as you want.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I guarantee.
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: Nobody's buying commercials during your show. There's no way.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: He probably did take your call, because he'd love to
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: replace me with you, so that's probably why he took
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: the call.
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: You have a great week. Tell all the 49er fans
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I said hello, all right?
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: Let's go 28... 20 49ers. We'll talk about that next week.
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: And I'll expect my bourbon in the mail.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go 24-17 Seattle.
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: All right. Save that, Ashley.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Save that, Ashley.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: Will do.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys don't have the same great spirits
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: we have up here, but you'll find something to send me.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: I make toilet water moonshine. That's my standard.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Anything above that, we're looking good. That's the Utah State
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: in you. All right. I'll talk to you next week.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: See you.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: Bye.
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: See you.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: John Lund joining us. Big thanks to Chambers Bay Distillery. ChambersBayDistillery.com.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Check it out and go look for it in your
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: local establishments. We'll take a break.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: Come back.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Ashley, you have the pick today. Let's keep it rolling.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Next.