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Beauty TikTok in shambles over dupe drama | Catherine Ebs apology + Ariana Grande & Ricky Alvarez🩷 · Mini Scroll

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  Coming up today on Mini Scroll, the beauty creator under fire
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  for her Charlotte Tilbury Duper view, Katherine Ebbs addresses
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  the grocery store scandal, and Ariana Grande is reportedly back
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  with an X Hi everyone. Welcome to Mini Scroll, the
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  All right, let's get into the stories for today.
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  So the first story that I have for you guys today is a beauty
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  creator Erin Parsons is facing backlash after her controversial
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  dupe take. So makeup artist and beauty
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  creator Erin Parsons has disappointed fans after posting
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  a video that started out as a Charlotte Tilbury dupe test and
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  ended in her suggesting that low income adults should get sent
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  influencers leftover PR. So Aaron is a creator with over
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  3,000,000 followers. She calls herself a vintage
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  cosmetics collector and has been in the industry for a very long
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  time. According to WWD quote, Parsons
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  kicked off her beauty career working at Lancome and Mac
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  cosmetics counters before moving to New York and assisting Pat
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  McGrath during fashion weeks and photo shoots for several years,
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  becoming Gigi Hadid's go to makeup artist and then in 2016
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  joining Maybelline New York as the brand's global MUA.
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  That is an iconic resume. OK so 2 days ago Aaron posted a
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  video comparing iconic Charlotte Tilbury lip products with a dupe
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  specifically from Kiko Milano. The reason she made this video
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  in the 1st place was in response to an interview with Charlotte
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  Tilbury herself that the BBC did in early July.
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  So in this interview, Charlotte said when you quote dupe, you
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  dupe the consumer because the consumer is not getting the same
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  quality with a dupe as the original.
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  You dupe, you dupe the consumer. That's not the quality.
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  I'm formula that you're going to get this amazing performance
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  that empowers people to look and feel that way.
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  So if you can do it, try baby, try darling, It's it's on, it's
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  on, it's on. The game is on but I have not
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  seen it yet. In a time where people don't
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  have that much money and they think they can get a sort of
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  Charlotte Tilbury esque look for a fraction of the price, why
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  wouldn't they buy that product? Because you just said it an
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  esque look, it's not Charlotte Tilbury and it's not the product
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  and it's not performing the way that my products do.
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  I have looked at those tubes and they do not.
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  So by the way, if I could do them for those prices, I would.
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  This is definitely not the first time that Charlotte Tilbury has
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  addressed dupe culture. Her brand is one of the most
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  duped in the industry because everyone is obsessed with the
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  formulas and her products but they are so pricey so she has
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  been vocal about the impact of dupe culture before anyways.
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  Off the back of this particular interview, however, Nina Poole
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  who is another massive beauty creator.
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  Her whole thing is to kind of like disrupt the luxury beauty
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  space by educating her audience. So Nina made a video responding
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  to the sentiment from Charlotte. In this video, which has reached
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  almost 6 million views at the time of recording, Nina explains
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  why Charlotte's take that dupes are duping the consumer because
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  you will never get the same quality is essentially untrue,
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  given that some Charlotte Tilbury products are
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  manufactured by the same labs as her.
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  Quote UN quote dupes. Charlotte Tilbury continues to
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  get on the Internet. She has a very arrogant air
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  about her certain documents like bills of landing or public
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  information in the United States.
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  So through a little bit of digging, I was able to find out
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  who Charlotte Tilbury's manufacturers are for certain
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  products. One of those products being a
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  lip liner pencil, the lip cheat. Now if you didn't know this, a
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  manufacturer called Schwann is one of the leading manufacturers
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  for lip liners. Here is direct proof that
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  Charlotte Tilbury does in fact get their lip liner pencils
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  manufactured by Schwann. I'm going to show you two
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  different brands lip liners and I want you to tell me which one
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  is which exactly. Oh, but the plot thickens.
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  These lip liners are from Charlotte Tilbury and a brand
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  called Kiko Milano. They are from Italy and they
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  started in 1997. Their lip liner pencils are also
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  manufactured by Schwan, the leading manufacturer of lip
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  liner pencils. So what I could gather from all
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  of this information and paperwork is they are tweaking
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  these products just a little bit and then tacking on the extra 30
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  or $40 and telling you that you are the one being duped if you
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  want to purchase anything that is similar.
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  To their product. They're also claiming that they
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  are innovative, that they are behind all of the science.
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  And that's what really bothers me because there are cosmetic
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  chemists that work for these manufacturers that are bright,
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  talented people. But people like Charlotte
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  Tilbury state that they are in fact the ones that are
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  revolutionary. I want to make it abundantly
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  clear that I am not trying to argue with anyone that is a
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  consumer of prestige makeup products.
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  This video is for everyone that's been made to feel less.
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  OK, so that was the entire context behind Aaron's video,
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  Charlotte's interview, and then Nina's response video.
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  They were both going fairly viral on like beauty TikTok, so
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  Aaron jumped in to compare Charlotte Tilbury products to
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  Kiko dupes. Aaron's video was relatively pro
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  Charlotte Tilbury, which already bothered some people who were
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  following along from Nina's video.
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  However, what really turned people off was how Aaron ended
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  her video of. Every color of the Kiko lip
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  liners. So can I dupe my favorite
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  Charlotte Tilbury lip liners? Both gorgeous.
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  Not a dupe. So I have some thoughts on this
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  with Charlotte Tilbury. She sounded quite angry,
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  rightfully so. She was one of the biggest
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  makeup bars in the world. That is not an easy job, let me
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  tell you. And then when she came out with
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  her line, it was innovative, it was unique.
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  You have to know that your products are going to be duped
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  in general, everything. It happens to every single
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  brand. I think what everyone was upset
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  about is the fact that she said you can't get a Charlotte
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  Tilbury look with drugstore products, which is absolutely
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  not true Shelby and disproves that every time she does her
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  makeup. The thing is, I hear this term a
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  lot. There are people that cannot buy
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  groceries out there. If you cannot buy groceries, you
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  cannot buy drugstore makeup. Who is going to choose lip liner
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  over food? So that point is kind of moot.
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  So she brings up the grocery store thing because obviously an
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  argument is that cost of living is so high right now and
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  sometimes dupes are the better option because they cost less, a
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  creator named Jazz wrote. I think a better point is that
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  dupes allow people to also buy food.
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  If you have $30 a dupe allows you to buy that $10 lip liner
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  and food versus high end which just doesn't.
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  She has some good products but should redirect her energy on
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  her trash packaging. And then Aaron responded.
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  But that is called budgeting, not that you are unable to buy
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  food. The term people keep saying is
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  can't buy groceries. Someone else wrote I have to
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  disagree with you about not being able to buy groceries.
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  Meaning you cannot buy lip liner.
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  Every person deserves to hold on to dignity and if wearing a
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  beautiful color on your lips gives you dignity and it cost a
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  dollar as opposed to $28.00 and that person can, will, and
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  should choose that. I know I would sacrifice a
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  gallon of milk or a carton of eggs to buy a product that will
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  last a month or more that will help me feel my best need.
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  A pool helps people who would otherwise be left out of the
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  conversation be a part of it, or at the very least have options
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  available to them that would otherwise not be.
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  And then Aaron responded to that.
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  Who said Nina wasn't helpful? I also feel like this comment is
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  touching on the lipstick effect. It's like when economic times
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  are tough, people still spend money on cosmetics.
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  I don't know if that's necessarily true anymore.
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  I actually think that I read that the lipstick effect is
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  actually no longer in effect as strongly as it used to be.
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  But you know, throughout time, typically people still would
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  quote, UN quote, splurge on cosmetics and like little things
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  like that that make you feel better, Like when you can't
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  afford a vacation or you can't afford, I don't know, a new car
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  or, you know, these kind of bigger ticket items, a new TV,
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  whatever. It's like people will still
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  spend money on those little things like this commenter said,
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  that make you feel good in these tough times.
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  And so often that will be make up.
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  And then someone named Alyssa wrote.
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  I can't put my finger on it but this feels icky to me.
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  I think maybe you're misunderstanding why people are
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  upset and perhaps you're taking the grocery comment way too
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  literally. There may be a disconnect on
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  your part as a very successful influencer and make a
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  professional. At the end of the day $28.00 pre
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  tax for a lip liner is insane. And then Aaron responded.
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  I've been without. I stole makeup when I was
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  younger. Not proud of it.
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  But saying you can't buy groceries to me means it
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  wouldn't matter whether it was high end or drugstore.
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  Your priorities are sustenance. But I hate to hear that and
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  think there should be some way to have it all.
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  OK, Whether you agree with the grocery store comments, the
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  people saying, you know, I would gladly give up XYZ to buy a lip
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  liner, I mean, that's definitely not going to be everybody's
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  position. So whether you agree with Aaron
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  in this situation or you agree with some of these commenters, I
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  do want to say that we see this kind of sentiment or like this
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  kind of response from a lot of creators, celebrities, wealthy
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  people that they used to go without.
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  And they know what it's like to be struggling.
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  And they kind of often use their past like financial situation as
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  a defense as to why they can't be criticized for having an out
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  of touch take because they too used to be like us.
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  But I think what is often missing from here is that people
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  do lose a lot of that perspective once they achieve
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  the money and success that they are trying to achieve.
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  And sometimes that success can actually make you less
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  empathetic to people's circumstances because you almost
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  start to see yourself as an example of somebody who worked
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  hard and like made it out the other side.
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  And so the attitude then is like, well, if I could do it,
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  that means anyone who is disenfranchised can also do it.
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  And if they haven't done it and are complaining about things
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  like the cost of living, then that is a personal failing on
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  their part rather than the result of a combination of so
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  many different factors coming together to allow that person to
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  succeed. And I'm not saying that there's
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  not a lot of hard work involved in that, but there are so many
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  reasons why some people will never be able to get to that
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  place. And I think it's like really
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  one-dimensional for the argument to consistently be like, I know
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  what this was like. I used to be you 2 and using
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  that as a defense as to like why they can't be out of touch.
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  OK, so then let's talk about the PR program idea that she
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  suggested because that has also faced some scrutiny, some
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  positivity. Some people are like, I agree
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  with this. And this is where PR, you know,
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  leftover PR or unused PR should go.
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  And then other people took this in bad faith, feeling like she
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  was saying that poor people should be given leftover or used
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  influencer PR it. Brings me to an idea, a proposal
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  if you will, and I think Charlotte Tilbury should be the
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  first to donate this idea. But basically, why don't we have
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  a Toys for Tots for adults? Why is there not some sort of
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  program that takes all the the PR that US influencers get?
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  I give away 99% of it and it is so much so I can't imagine what
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  other influencers get. I know my agency gets a lot of
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  PR stores could come into this, brands could come into this, but
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  a sort of a way to just give back anyone of his low income.
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  You fill out a form and there is a box sent to your House of
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  makeup that you are asking for. Now, I started a nonprofit for
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  the Research and Beauty History Archive.
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  I will be launching this soon, and I hope to use some of the
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  donations to create a program like this because I know it's
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  not a necessity. But if you want makeup, you
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  should be able to have it. So, Charlotte, I hope you're
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  listening. And I don't think that's
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  actually what she meant. Like I imagine she meant the PR
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  that she gets gifted or that influencers get gifted that goes
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  on opened. But the internets reaction I
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  believe to this was colored by her previous statements about
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  the groceries and like defending Charlotte Tilbury.
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  Finally, she did double down in the comments, which really upset
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  some people. So she called someone elitist
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  for saying they wouldn't want to receive donated makeup products
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  from an influencer's leftover PR.
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  She wrote why would you say no to free makeup?
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  I don't get it. Now you sound elitist.
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  It was a gesture of humanity. Again, I do not think that she
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  was suggesting that we take use PRPR that's been tested.
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  Like the amount of product that these creators receive, it's
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  unimaginable. I mean, we've all seen PR halls,
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  right? Like there is no way that they
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  are testing all of that, that they're opening all of that,
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  that they're using all of that. I mean, at the end of the day,
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  it goes where, right? And we see a lot of declutter
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  videos where influencers are doing PR hauls and decluttering
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  and sending it to like women's shelters and stuff.
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  So this is just like another version, I suppose of what she
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  is suggesting here. All right.
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  And the next story that I have for you guys today is Catherine
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  ABS has officially addressed her grocery store video in a new
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  TikTok. How is this the third update
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  that I have about Katherine Ebbs and her grocery store Tiktok?
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  I have no idea. But for a recap, last week
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  influencer Katherine Ebbs went viral after she posted a video
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  shopping in a quote UN quote small town grocery store for the
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  4th of July. She got a lot of backlash for
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  her attitude throughout the video.
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  She was basically making fun of the so many people made fun of
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  me on Tiktok. For this I say produce.
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  Produce. No, I say produce.
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  That is how we say it in Canada because at first I was like,
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  wait, I've lived in Australia for 10 years.
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  I was like, it's my husband who's Australian.
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  I'm like say this word and he kind of says it like obviously
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  with an Australian accent, but he kind of says it like me.
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  But I'm like, OK, that's not where I've fully gotten it from.
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  I'm like, maybe my accents are blending here.
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  And so many people in the TikTok comments were like, I can't
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  believe that you just said that word like that.
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  And I was like, wait, that's so weird.
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  So I responded to some comments being like, is this weird?
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  I'm so confused. And then I had Canadians
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  responding me like, no, I'm Canadian and I say it like that
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  too. And I was like, OK, thankfully
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  it's just people who have never heard it said like that, I guess
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  not realizing that we can say it like that too.
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  So anyways, making fun of the produce produce saying she felt
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  like she was in a simulation and was saying she felt like they
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  should just order their meals for the weekend instead of
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  buying food from this store. It was a very like stuck up
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  video. So the grocery chain ended up
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  using this moment to respond on social media in a very funny
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  way. They did a photo dump titled
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  POV. You're entering the grocery
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  store simulation and now Catherine has responded with a
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  dedicated video saying that she can look back and see now that
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  her stress from the day was coming through in that video.
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  I took the week off to just like kind of be with my family while
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  they were in town. Looking back the video I posted
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  walking in the grocery store, did I 1000% have a bratty bad
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  attitude? Yes.
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  I was very very, very frustrated with the day.
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  I spent weeks to make sure that everything went to plan and US
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  girly pops putting all the pressure on our shoulders to
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  make sure family birthday parties, family parties, family
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  weekends, family trips, everything goes well.
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  I felt like that day was just a simulation.
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  I was like everything that could have gone wrong went wrong.
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  On the flip side, watching it back through the lens of others,
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  I am now well aware that my day stressors were not reflecting in
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  the video. It was just, again, just a bad
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  attitude, bad energy. And now when I look back, I'm
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  like, I cringe because it's like my intent versus the impact are
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  miles and miles and miles apart. And that was just, that's not
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  me. That's not me.
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  That video does not reflect my own true character, my own true
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  thoughts. I come from way, way, way less
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  than what I have now. So I know what it's like to not
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  be able to feed your family, going to bed hungry.
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  And so again, that like that just was the furthest thing for
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  my intention. And I'm like, when I look back,
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  I'm like, if people were to like, I wouldn't have posted
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  that if like that was what I knew was landing because my eyes
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  was the stressors of the day. Not that it's an excuse, but I
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  hope it's something that people can understand where I was
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  coming from. I do want to say the bullying
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  that's come from this has been so unbelievably eye opening.
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  I have seen people online get ripped to shreds before but to
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  personally experience it. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  I don't condone the bullying. I don't condone a lot of the
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  things that have been said and done.
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  I wish the people that took this moment for their own virality,
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  if they meant to make such an impact and they wanted to make
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  such an impact, I wish they would have been like, hey, let's
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  like let's use her name for the cloud, but like let's use it for
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  impact. And impact is every single
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  person does deserve fresh produce and not bleached eggs,
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  not rotten cucumbers, like everyone deserves that.
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  But reflecting and like seeing it through the lens of people
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  who are like, I always have people in my household that
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  can't eat. I now I know how bad that looks.
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  And I again, that it's just, it truly was not my intention and I
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  am very sorry. I'm actually surprised that she
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  responded to this, especially so many days later.
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  I feel like it's been at least a week and this story has
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  absolutely blown over by now. So I'm surprised that she chose
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  to like reignite this. I understand it got so big, it
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  got really, really big. So I understand wanting to
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  address it, but I am just surprised that she decided to,
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  like, open this up again when it feels like, in my opinion, in my
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  world, it was well and truly blown over.
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  All right. And the last story that I have
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  for you guys today is Ariana Grande and Ricky Alvarez are
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  seemingly back together. So Ariana has seemingly
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  rekindled her relationship with Ricky Alvarez, who she was
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  dating back in 2015. I saw a post online that was
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  like, this is what I mean when I say we have to bring back 2016.
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  And yes, exactly. So romance rumor started
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  swirling after the pair were spotted together recently, with
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  Ricky attending some Eternal Sunshine Tour shows and in
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  paparazzi shots. Ariana also started changing the
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  lyrics and thank you next during her tour, indicating that her
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  relationship with Ricky had changed.
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  The original lyric was Wrote some songs about Ricky.
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  Now I listen and laugh just like Loki.
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  So savage. And on the tour she has made a
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  couple of changes, including wrote some songs about Ricky.
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  They still really slap. Wrote some songs about Ricky.
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  I know he's still got my back. And then on July 13th, she
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  changed it to wrote some songs about Ricky.
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  We always find our way back. Many took this as confirmation
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  that the two were back together. And TMZ has since reported that
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  their sources tell them the two are dating but taking it slow.
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  OK, to our viewers, I have Pump on my lap.
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  She started bopping around and wanted to come up.
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  So everybody say hi to little Pump.
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  So social media is now fixated on their lore and this is the
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  rundown. And of course, I had to tap
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  Annabelle in for this because she is Ari's number one fan.
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  So Ricky was actually a dancer on Ariana's first world tour,
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  the Honeymoon Tour, which is for the album My Everything.
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  They would go on to date after Ariana and Big Sean broke up.
• 19:52
  Ricky is believed to be much of the inspiration of Ariana's
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  album Dangerous Woman. He was also there for Donut
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  Gate, which is very important information.
• 20:03
  Many fans believe that Ariana's ex manager Scooter Braun was not
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  a fan of Ricky, which makes a lot of them like him even more
• 20:10
  so. According to a Reddit post on
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  the R slash Ari heads subreddit 1 User explained quote In
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  February 2016, Ariana fired Scooter Braun, her manager on
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  Dangerous Woman at the bonus track Jason Song is about this
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  and many of Dangerous Woman singles underperformed.
• 20:25
  Braun attributed this firing to a quote bad boyfriend
• 20:29
  influencing her decisions in interviews about the firing.
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  So while the 2 who did seemingly have a rough breakup, they
• 20:36
  appeared to become friends again over the years.
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  He was even one of the tour photographers for the Sweetener
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  Tour in 2019. Nevertheless, fans do seem to be
• 20:44
  excited that the pair are back together.
• 20:47
  Pumpkin, she's going crazy on my lap.
• 20:50
  OK, it's OK, she's ready to go home.
• 20:55
  And you know what? Fair enough, girl, it's been a
• 20:57
  long, stressful day at the office, hasn't it?
• 21:00
  Anyways guys, I have to get my dog home because she is freaking
• 21:04
  out but I love you guys. Thank you so much for listening.
• 21:07
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• 21:10
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• 21:15
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