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Talks to (the very patient) Mark Rawlins about his choice of The Mind Robber (5/5) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast, my name is Mark, and my name's Joe and
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  listeners. Joe has promised to be very
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  intellectual and not be rude at all.
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  On episode 5 of the Mind robber. I think you'll find most
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  educated people regarding mythical convictions as
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  fundamentally animistic. I would only say that because I
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  am currently having an epistemological quandary.
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  And I find most experiences border on the existential.
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  Well yes of course. I agree and I understand your
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  question. I do.
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  Yes. So given that the universe is
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  infinite and the Multiverse is RO so infinite.
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  Yeah, would you like a cheese sandwich?
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  I'd love a cheese sandwich now, that's a joke from Red Dwarf.
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  As in my, genuine question is this is 400 to 700.
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  So what would you like in the I met you on now?
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  All I Brie and worry, I've only got cheddar anyway.
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  What was the question anyway, nicer Factory?
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  And what was the question I've got a now began about cheese
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  sandwiches? No, my question is this, which
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  is why are you rubbing your head enough of me already have.
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  You had enough of this lat. No, no, no.
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  I'm trying so hard. So my question is this Rank.
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  The second doctor companions. Oh, that's fairly easy.
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  No, I'm My Own. Okay, go ahead.
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  What best to worst. Yeah.
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  Best I could to say Jamie that's got be Jamie has never better.
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  I mean I would say sorry first Jamie Zoe yeah.
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  Ben Polly Victoria. Oh you only Reagan been, I could
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  you fancy of? No I'm sure no, he's good, he's
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  better than but it displays a little bit whiny but they're not
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  as widely as Victoria utterly corrupted by Sarah to whatchu
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  about Polly. She's okay.
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  But Victoria is, I'm afraid at the bottom of the pile there.
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  I think. I'll probably go.
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  Zoe. Jamie Benn Polly Victoria.
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  So we kinda similar again, very similar.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, Victoria just so.
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  Why isn't she, can I just say that right, Mark, rather
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  gloriously attended, Anika Wills has birthday party.
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  Recently Steam Yeah. How was that Mark?
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  Was very interesting, very enlightening, exactly.
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  As I thought it would be a talking about us.
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  Well, she gonna do. I think, I'll just do a quick
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  impression though, because there was a dragon, lizard might be
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  listening shoulder, know about the war.
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  Baby dragon and she goes to other big wheels.
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  Do you like bearded dragons that occur?
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  World goes? Oh my God.
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  What is it? It's alive.
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  Annika wheels and I don't know, the man was doing it with her
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  right. It's there for his head in his
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  hands like what is she gonna come out with me?
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  After Terror, it was an hour and a half of Anika wheels.
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  So make of that. What you will?
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  Yeah. Well I tell you what, hang on
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  before we ship into the bottom. Sorry this episode's that is 17
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  minutes. Long people expect longer
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  content on a handsomer blunt, penknife.
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  I'm just going to talk about when d-pad Bree at the
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  convention that we went to recently and the furlings night
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  evening at 8:00. Entertainment.
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  When she did blankety-blank with leave the Bellman that was very
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  entertaining. Yeah.
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  That was good? Yeah, I thought you said that
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  was the worst night Center of your life on the line?
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  No, I think that was you saying that on the night?
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  It was it was very intriguing but what was funny was they were
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  really like bitching at each other or even that they
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  absolutely adore each other. It was so funny.
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  I was just great. Wendy pepper is lovely.
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  What's she say to you? When you get your photo with
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  her? Oh no, I thought so.
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  But again, I went out to her with a picture of me and her
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  having a cuddle with another convention back, in pre-pandemic
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  times. And I've read said, in all
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  innocence to her, and when it peppery are, I would like to
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  re-enact this Photograph, but I'm not allowed to touch you am?
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  I, let's just looked at me up and down, very scared and went.
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  No, you're not. Yeah, well, she's probably
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  because she saw you earlier on. Check it out.
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  Her ass on the staircase. That's probably what it was
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  trippy urge you. I she was having breakfast on
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  the table right next to us, you know, when we're at breakfast
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  one morning, look at that. Look at breakfast.
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  She got about four sausages and free, but it's a bacon, which is
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  only two horny. It's probably had a whole
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  conversation as well. I'm sure you're talking about
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  rude things, she was bad and I probably was, yeah, I'm telling
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  you and Peter Purvis, I gave him my total the first machine Yes,
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  you did you did you remember you sold me up there?
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  And you said, yes, to legend by the toast machine, me and BFF I
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  like doing for battle Legend. Thank you.
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  Okay, ice. Well I got my DVD signed of the
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  Mind robber by Wendy peppery and Fraser Hines, that's very nice.
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  What was that a convention? Yeah, I'm I said to and
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  appropriate style of the story in its first one and she said
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  yeah it's very good as now. I really like it's very
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  different and she enjoyed. She enjoyed it and Then with
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  Fraser Hines yeah he just sort of signed it and then was just
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  talking about how he wished that you've been in the 50th
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  Anniversary episode. There was looking for work.
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  I think we're like every comes along and she realized engaging
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  with the fans I think phrase Orion's comes along sees things
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  and just like people to buy him a drink.
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  Yeah, no. Yeah.
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  I've met friends and Hines that much.
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  I knew that once, actually, I think.
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  But I met Wendy, pepper crust. She's lovely.
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  Yeah, Wendy pepper is lovely. Yeah, she knows what she's
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  talking about. She does and if she lost her mom
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  robot, then we like her. Hmm.
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  Yeah. Okay.
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  Well okay, let's go into episode 5.
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  The Mind robber, this F. Sorry, you can't really add a
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  sneeze either. Can you we go that way.
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  Good. Please is now going to be
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  immortalized. Did you say?
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  Well, you're good. Are you taking a picture?
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  Anyway, your mom. If you want me to edit this, I
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  can do that for you. Yeah.
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  You will know because your edited to try and make me PG-13
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  and then basically it's just going to be just you talking
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  Right. Episode 5 of the Mind dropper.
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  Everybody, this is going to go buy a lick.
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  It's 17 minutes is just a lick, is fun.
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  Her spit? That's not always be together,
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  right? You'll spit games.
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  All right? And I didn't even know that was
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  a thing. And now I'm just right now for I
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  do not go looking at people lubricate anyway.
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  Anyway, 85032. Right into the, my robot.
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  Can you believe this skip intro button there?
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  Where I'm red box is there? No way, no way.
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  Would you ever skip intro on the Doctor Who theme tune?
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  No, not at all. I do something.
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  That would really? Yeah, why we told me that
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  because he got his neighbor's, do those Doctor Who fans or
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  whatever the music comes on, he fast-forwards it, or turn the
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  music down, you making this up, no serious, go listen to my
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  happiness, Patrol commentary with Marlo manners.
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  He is not out as Doctor Who fans the people in their lives.
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  Well, okay, he runs a doctor who podcast but he has absolutely
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  alive Choice. People can have, if you don't
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  want to, why don't you want people to know?
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  Maybe the be embarrassed boy here?
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  Yeah, we can skip the intro. You still watching Dojo though.
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  Oh yeah. But like you know if you don't
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  people in your life to know about it there was a time when I
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  did that, there was absolutely a time in my late twenties where I
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  would hide all my dogs Who DVDs when people came over.
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  No genuinely Only Palmer's out but the Doctor Who videos all
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  about. I'm joking you spit play.
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  Look at the tops of climbing up the bookshelf.
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  See look now the master land efficient is being Sinister.
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  Yeah, because he is but you're right though, he has been taken
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  over by this brain thing. So now your game Mark and and
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  there's the pace, does the pace picks up here.
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  They've got a lot to cram in in this 17 minutes and they've even
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  got a bit at the end to have a chat at the end.
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  You know, it's not like it finishes that, but it does
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  finish quite quickly. Like you said though, there's a
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  lot of set pieces. I don't think this is lacking
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  pays for out. No, no, but it's that background
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  of the castle. I just think that's really cute.
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  It works. Oh, this is great as well with
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  Jamie and Zoe go around the loop.
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  Yeah, they're very good at. You can just tell him, he do
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  something wrong. So they're playing the
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  characters. As always do with just a little
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  bit differently on there. So you can just tell though
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  they're very good but also the fact that they're repeating the
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  dialog. Yeah.
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  We clue. And then we will see all these
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  other characters won't be in a bit.
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  That's nice out because it's not bringing them all together as
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  like a bigger. Yeah but like nowadays, you know
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  what would happen nowadays from you is there'd be more, massive
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  CGI battle loads of characters and it would it wouldn't have
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  the charm or the Simplicity of this know and what is it really
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  gonna get Rapunzel again in a minute?
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  And I've only got one criticism of the actual story of this.
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  Yeah, and that is they defeat the master of Lana fiction and
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  the master brain by pressing a lot of buttons, they just
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  literally Krista later buttons, If It Isn't?
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  That type of story though, where you need that extra Nation, it's
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  more. The fun is the mystery in the
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  characters and it doesn't actually matter.
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  Yeah, okay. Yeah.
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  They just press the little buttons and it happens.
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  They're not it's not a clever solution but I don't think it's
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  not the type of story that needs it.
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  He's a flirt Rapunzel comes along with her hair.
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  This is what we needed, all those stories, every single
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  time. Yeah. there's this probably a
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  moment at every story, you know, every single star in the
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  invasion, they go down a lift shaft Yeah, yeah.
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  Silurians potholing. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Get down the drill facing
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  Inferno. Go down to the center of the
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  planet. Yes, story.
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  After this Invasion, on the helicopter, they can use every
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  guard territorial Waters. When they're up there radio
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  satellite. Yeah.
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  You know, that man didn't need to pull off their.
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  He could have literally grab Oliver are on the way down.
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  How do we do? I'll be these.
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  Oh no, it's just pretending to climb.
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  When the mind of evil or prison wall.
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  Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, yeah.
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  How long have you ever grown your head?
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  Hey, yeah, we just got a bit puffy.
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  So not not as long as Rapunzel. If you always had short hair
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  like that, you never had that long now, I just have a quite
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  long hair. Did you fairly low?
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  Well, I've got it, quiet for my range, what I used to have hair
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  like in, you know, Phantom Menace.
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  Anakin Skywalker. What's his name?
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  Ewan McGregor's character. You know what it sort of looks a
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  bit like a mother but it's like it was fairly short.
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  I was quite long at the back and I had enough where I had we
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  called it a Jedi died it was like one braid down the
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  backlight in Phantom Menace. I called it.
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  My Jedi break had. I have long enough hair to have
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  that so you have like a Rapunzel style.
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  Great. Put it was like one braid thing
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  there. Yeah it's sort of like sure the
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  front but okay so maybe not all et maybe for like a snail or
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  something that wanted to climb down your hair.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It was what it was, you know, enough to hang down to be
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  braided like one. And it was like it was all like
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  human a bit dreadlock. He was like one dreadlock bit.
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  Hanging down, Mark. Yeah, Johnny Rotten at one point
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  because I've seen a video of you, when you were younger, you
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  had proper Johnny Rotten red hair, it's not right now.
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  Not read read. It's not it's not like I went
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  and I used to have pink and blue hair for a while, pink and blue
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  spot. And then I used to have was
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  well-liked shaved at the sides, but we'd like patterns in it and
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  dark brown. Why don't you do me like bugs
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  off anymore them because I'm old and the rest of my hair anymore?
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  Yeah. You know what?
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  I had a couple of weeks but I do have my are all these from
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  color. Sirs.
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  What must we do? Really like 15 years ago.
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  But I literally died my hair about five times in a week.
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  I'm surprised I didn't lose the law.
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  Yeah. I I tried start my blond and he
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  went like this lemon color. I just, uh, my hair are
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  hunkering Transit. Used to use them son into a son
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  in me. You sprayed on your hair and
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  then it's Snapchat. Son.
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  That's tough god. Well, we egotistical when we
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  were younger, you see all sorts my But I know I wouldn't do it
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  now, nowadays, I mean, I don't even take a selfie now, you
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  know? I just, um, oh no, not at all.
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  Hey, we are anyway but system and robot software to.
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  There we go. It's all right.
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  Yeah, I got all the characters there.
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  This is great when they were evil.
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  Oh, and it's great. Where?
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  Yeah, when is trapped in and then I love their little laugh
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  that it was snigger. The second he walked in, they
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  should have realized he was in a glass box.
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  I mean, yeah, about five seconds for the reaction.
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  The evil. They were part of the ladder
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  fiction, aren't they? If you want to make a scene
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  Sinister and evil, get a group of kids laughing at you?
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  Yeah. Get those kids from the mafia or
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  a brood of the Damned go. No, don't start on them.
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  Please don't start as he wiped his spit away.
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  Now I think it comes back again, we had a big blob of it last
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  time. I'm so sorry.
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  I'm so sorry, this guy is great. I'm just it's just happened.
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  Sometimes, doesn't it? They just gobble idea mouth.
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  Not really. No.
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  Yeah. Job like a dry mouth sometimes
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  then you and he does. We've got a bit of a bit, do you
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  know? Sometimes it gets so sorry.
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  It doesn't have to be all the time but I can imagine acting
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  least some of the other day, right?
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  Yeah. And they got all the tomato
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  sauce all over their massive beard and he wasn't even aware.
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  They took him like five of them. You make you got tomato sauce
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  all over your beard. Yeah, exactly.
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  Exactly. Lee.
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  He's got a lot of lines in this school.
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  Explain the plot of the Mind dropper to everyone.
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  He can't be wiping his spear. So this is exactly the same plot
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  as the three doctors isn't it? They want the doctor to take
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  over pretty much share, and it's the same as that new adventures
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  conundrum. Yeah, it was basically, the guy
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  after this guy was stuck on one, it was very similar and that the
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  end of the new vet again, it was this sort of battle of wits and
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  of Just to take over. It wasn't anything different in
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  that in that Adventure. Arresting me in the legend of
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  the seidman. They did no one condemn Baker.
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  Take over. But I just think, you know,
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  probably wise I'm going to listen closely, you listen to
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  that on its own. Or do you need to listen to that
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  one idea? Can, it's better as the three
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  though because it is a running story.
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  I'm going to do that next. I was able to sit your spies
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  wreck of the Titan and Legend, as I bend my back agencies and
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  necessary, really? Yeah, I will definitely do that.
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  But I'd say that's the most authentic than the vision story
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  after this, right? And it's properly creative and
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  goes in some really wacky places, they've managed to make
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  it like white cinematic, given the facts on audio.
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  There's like this whole underwater sequence where all
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  the famous boats and submarines of fiction.
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  That's amazing. All moved.
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  And you've got Dracula's there. Yeah, obviously he's from
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  fiction and he's, he's cyber ties.
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  That amazing as well. Yeah.
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  So they pushed their way out of the book now and the doctor is
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  going to have a mental battle. Fictional battle with the
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  master. I love this year.
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  The music is quite, as well as like duh.
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  It's a bit like him because the doctors like, oh, and this
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  happens. And the leather fiction guys,
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  like all this happens Nyssa. It's like a playing, a game of
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  consequences. He used to play consequences.
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  Yeah. Now, I still want, you know,
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  where you do like word association.
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  I love that game. What I'll do is I'll say a word
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  and then you have to say a word as associated with it.
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  Oh God. I'm gonna be able to repeat or
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  deviate. So so it's in the first thing
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  that comes into. Dead.
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  That's right. Doctor.
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  Who Tardis? Dalek Deborah's skaro.
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  There for us Terry Nation I do I should I started anyway
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  Wisconsin them so consequences. You have a bit of paper, don't
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  you? And you write his name so you
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  write a name and then you fold the bit over, then you swap Bits
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  of Paper then you write her name or whoever and then you fold it
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  again and Swap and then you say he said to her and then you
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  write something and then you swap she said to him, you It's
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  something in the Swap and the consequence was, and then you
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  write something and you sort of Bits of Paper you fold it.
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  And there you go. And then you written in big,
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  have your story and you don't know what they've said in its
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  City stuff. Okay, so I'll get the die, so
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  it's been Jackson. Okay.
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  Yeah. But are you not supposed to know
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  you see, when I won a car stereo audio Sophie aldred.
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  He said to her Do you want to see my big ship?
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  She said to him boom, and because was they had their own
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  Doctor Who spin-off? Yeah.
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  Okay. So I remember this joint
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  consequences reminds me of bit of a weird one when I was at
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  University in buckinghamshire and High Wycombe.
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  My friends, I used to work with at the co-op back in Essex, what
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  I call we've gone out for a drive, but we've just driven for
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  a few hours and we nearby. Can we visit It was like, okay,
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  that's a couple of hours drive, okay?
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  Come over. It's quite late at night and I
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  was like, let's play consequence.
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  It's and it was what? Oh it's my friend, my friend,
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  Luke from school from primary school because they end up
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  working the coop and he wrote know what the consequence was,
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  he wrote he wrote something that annadurai don't know whatever
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  the consequence was. They went down the dirt track
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  because the river was running red.
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  I don't never forgotten, I'm so sorry about the day.
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  He got beaten up on box through night you'll learn about the
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  day. He got Pulled out a class for
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  sex education. I believe you wrote that.
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  I know about that bastard. That stole his copy of
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  remembrance of the Daleks. So anyway, I always think of I'm
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  always tempted to put that as whatever I play consequences as
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  the consequence, when a dirt track because the river What
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  does that mean? What I think it means.
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  I can't think of everything that's obscene that's obscene.
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  Even for me, I can't believe I've shocked you there your
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  face. I actually can't believe you
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  have been shocked. Is this a first vow of celibacy
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  on the back of that shocking? Revelation is named Luke.
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  Yeah, it sounds like a Luke, sorry, 20 Loops that listening
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  Except for the I do anyway. Baseline.
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  Sure. But we That's the trouble with
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  stories. Are they stay?
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  They spark off of the memory and only do they do?
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  Yeah, there's another person on the buttons, huh?
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  It's, yeah. Oh, look.
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  We're seeing all the footage of everything that we've already
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  seen. That's quite nice.
• 23:38
  I love to know what, I love the designer that Master brain
• 23:40
  behind them is massive and it was literally about to say it's
• 23:44
  a bit. I described it as cotton wool.
• 23:47
  Are you serious? That is massive.
• 23:49
  It looks like it's made out of glass.
• 23:52
  Yeah. Okay.
• 23:53
  Okay. I'll give you that.
• 23:54
  It's better than the dodecahedron from make awesome.
• 23:58
  Everything's better than make loss.
• 24:00
  You are So mean about the fun stories, we got it up let so
• 24:04
  they're firing on it. We're on we're on film for some
• 24:07
  reason. Here is it because of the fire
• 24:08
  and stuff? I feel like there.
• 24:11
  Must be. Yeah, that's all done on film
• 24:13
  but I could see why people would complain that this is all over
• 24:16
  with a bit quick. No, yeah, I do get it, I do get
• 24:19
  it. And, you know, it's like button
• 24:21
  pushing him far enough, you guns, whereas it should be
• 24:23
  something like it's been such a clever story to this point.
• 24:27
  It should be something clever to finish it off, you know?
• 24:31
  Yeah. But I can, I can look past that
• 24:34
  because we've had such, you know, episode 1, 2 and 3 with
• 24:36
  all the mystery and the and everything.
• 24:38
  I think we can. Journal stock.
• 24:42
  The journeys means, how much farther also, when I first heard
• 24:45
  this on video, because it finishes so quickly, I thought
• 24:48
  it was another episode. I was like, what happens next?
• 24:50
  Because they run off with this guy.
• 24:52
  I was like, where's episode 6? We never see him again.
• 24:56
  Do we know? I know he's very quick.
• 24:59
  Yeah, but I guess he goes back to his office.
• 25:02
  Yeah. But it feels like it's very,
• 25:05
  it's just so right, where's that extra five minutes?
• 25:08
  Just to see ya? It feels like, you know what?
• 25:10
  Like we just need to get back to normal.
• 25:12
  Like we've had fun. Let's get back to normal was and
• 25:15
  you know, God when do this very often, but like somebody like
• 25:18
  Steven, Moffat would think up a smart way of ending this?
• 25:22
  Like a way that makes you go. Okay.
• 25:28
  Like like it could be it could be that the doctor somehow finds
• 25:32
  a way of like then leaping out of the story like literally on
• 25:38
  the story. You know, like in come on.
• 25:40
  Imagine if they went they went out and it was the TV studio TV
• 25:43
  sentencing stage, 3 of legend of the Cybermen know where Jamie
• 25:53
  is. He's going for all these
• 25:55
  Landscapes he goes for Alice in Wonderland.
• 25:57
  Ezra Pooh, Bear, and all of this.
• 25:59
  And all of a sudden he finds himself in a sound booth and
• 26:03
  you're here. Nicholas, Brooks talking to him
• 26:04
  and he's like, he's like, I is Nicholas Briggs, can we just go
• 26:08
  again on that line? And, and he's very signs of
• 26:11
  Jamie going. What's going on is like, phrase.
• 26:13
  I come on, don't take the piss, right?
• 26:15
  Let's just keep going with the story and the whole inference is
• 26:18
  that. He's recording it in in big for
• 26:20
  the Studio's. Yeah, the kids are making gonna
• 26:23
  walk down the corridor and Sydney Newman could have been
• 26:25
  there. Oh my God.
• 26:27
  It would have been better. Yeah, they wouldn't have thought
• 26:31
  like that in those days they would say they never even would
• 26:35
  have even Grandma ended like that.
• 26:36
  Remember there was a programmer drama island in the last
• 26:39
  episode. It Crossroads back on the TV
• 26:43
  studio. Oh actually see that it was
• 26:47
  actually a manufacturing program the whole time.
• 26:50
  I don't know that. I was just thinking across those
• 26:52
  barriers in the shopping center and Supermarket, remember that?
• 26:57
  Oh well they finish Crossroads in the 2000s about a life in the
• 27:01
  whole of yeah the whole across it and it was all the crossroads
• 27:04
  characters in the supermarket, wash honest to God.
• 27:09
  Imagine a doctor who ended like that o is all a dream of some
• 27:12
  little kids who wanted to dream of a better life.
• 27:15
  You know, it's that kid in more than 30 years in the Tardis
• 27:19
  wakes up and then I'll yeah it's very good but it's yeah we carry
• 27:25
  them forward to the edge. Again so make sure work.
• 27:29
  You love it. When she gets some work, I love
• 27:31
  it. Yeah.
• 27:33
  Anyways fro she can do, she can afford a Christmas present.
• 27:35
  That year, there we are the Mind tropper really--and story.
• 27:47
  You need to do your three things that you are you do three things
• 27:51
  the but it's a different type of story in this season in
• 27:56
  Actually, the whole of the Patrick troughton time.
• 28:00
  It's completely different to any other.
• 28:02
  Second of the story, you're going to get, it's very
• 28:05
  imaginative. It's well-directed the regulars.
• 28:09
  All have brilliant screentime. Brilliant.
• 28:13
  Well, they, they carry the whole story and you need.
• 28:17
  Yeah. You just not going to get
• 28:18
  anything like this for a long time so it's definitely worth
• 28:23
  checking out. Come on three more.
• 28:25
  Yeah. I'd say the Sterling direction
• 28:28
  of David Maloney. Yeah, I would definitely say
• 28:32
  it's the free regulars at their best, like it's their best
• 28:35
  story. The three reactors because it's
• 28:37
  just, they just showcase so much.
• 28:40
  And finally gosh, if I'm going to just pick out one set piece,
• 28:44
  I'd say it's the one, we talked all over consequences where the
• 28:49
  doctor pulls out D'Artagnan and Blackbeard and you know, and
• 28:54
  it's one car after another 20. A different character.
• 28:57
  I'm so sorry. We've talked over that whole
• 28:59
  thing we could have had a more intellectual conversation over
• 29:03
  that whole sequence in episode 5 but no we did that.
• 29:06
  We invented the been and Ace spin-off show it's called Ace of
• 29:13
  Base dude. Anyway.