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ICE: Accountable to No One · The Overlap

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Yell his name was Juan Hiro Coronilla Duran.
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He was twenty eight years old.
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He was from San Luis de La Paz,
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which is in the Guanajuato state in Mexico,
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and he had a wife, her name was Jessica,
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a seven year old son, a daughter who was seven months old.
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Seven months. She's not gonna remember her father.
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She'll just have to know him from photographs and stories.
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He came to the United States on a valid tourist visa.
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He went to Atlanta first and stayed with some family and some friends and
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he did the thing a million upon millions of people do every year.
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The the whole thing that the state of Florida is built to sell you.
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He drove to the beach. He wanted to see the ocean.
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On july fourteenth, twenty twenty six,
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before seven in the morning, ICE and Homeland Security Investigations agents walked
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up to the car he was in at a gas station in St.
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Augustine, Florida. That's the oldest city in America.
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And no one to this day is yet to explain why they walked up to him.
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All four people in that car did what people do in the
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When a group of armed men with tactical gear come at them incredibly fast,
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they ran. Fight a fight or flight response kicked in.
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Juan ran across State Road sixteen and slipped on the grass in the median,
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and he was hit by a tractor trailer.
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He died there on the ground, on vacation.
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The Department of Homeland Security won't confirm that he had a valid visa,
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but he did. They just won't say it.
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DHS cites the ongoing investigation.
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Everybody cites the ongoing investigation.
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But his body was flown home to Mexico,
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commercial flight straight out of Orlando.
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This guy came to see the beach.
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And they put him in the cargo hold of a plane going the other way.
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Hey everybody, welcome to the overlap.
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I'm Joshua. This is the show about power and labor and the machinery
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of American injustice. You know the parts that they don't put in the brochure.
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So Will's not in the room today,
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another solo episode. We missed you,
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brother, hold it down. But I want to talk about a dead man on vacation.
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And I want to be clear up front that I'm not talking about Mitch McConnell.
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But let's talk about what this episode is and it isn't.
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It's not about how ICE could do better about reforms or body cameras
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or better training. I'll talk about all of that because it's in the record,
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right? And I'm not going to hide my actual position in the second half
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of the show like I usually do.
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The position is that ICE should not exist.
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Not reformed, not retrained,
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gone.
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Now I didn't arrive to that opinion from ideology.
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I arrived at it from the body count,
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from the last twelve months, from a list of names that keeps getting longer
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and longer while the people in charge go on Fox News and tell the critics that they
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should shut their mouths, they're making America safer.
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Well why now?
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Because on July 14th, a tourist died in St.
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Augustine and it barely made the national news.
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Because of, you know, by July of 2026,
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a dead man after an ice encounter just doesn't seem to be news anymore because it's
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Tuesday and IC still exists. That's the part that should stop you cold.
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A man dying while running from federal agents at a gas station before dawn
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is now so damned routine.
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That it doesn't clear the noise floor.
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That's not because people don't care,
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I know people care, I care, you care,
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that's why you're here. Because the volume has made
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the individual deaths indistinguishable from the background radiation,
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the toxic sludge of this whole operation.
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Juan was, by the the count reporters were keeping,
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at least the tenth fatality connected to immigration sweeps since this
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campaign started. And I say at least because ICE is demonstrated,
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documented in the record, that it will hide its own killings for the better part
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of a year if you let it. So ten is a floor,
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not a ceiling. So we're gonna do two things.
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We're gonna go back.
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Because that's where we start.
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Because the impulse to build an armed federal force that can grab people
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off of the streets with complete impunity and no accountability is
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now older and uglier than ICE.
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ICE is just the current uniform on this very old idea.
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And then we're gonna come all the way forward to the machine as it runs right now.
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The $20 million body camera program.
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That produced almost no body cameras.
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And the ten point three billion dollars budget,
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the acting director who stood by his agents,
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the border czar, who said the bloodshed would continue.
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Because Juan didn't die because one agent made a mistake at a gas station.
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Juan died because of a system that was working exactly like it was designed to.
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So that's the argument. Let me build it.
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Let's go back to before the acronym to understand why a tourist is dead
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in Florida with nobody accountable.
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You have to understand that immigration enforcement in this country
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was never really about immigration.
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It was about a labor market. And who gets to be disposable inside
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of that labor market? And I want to start with something closer than
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the eighteen hundreds. Something that shows you the exact machinery that
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is still running right now.
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It happened on march fifteenth,
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twenty twenty five in South Padre Island,
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Texas. His name was Ruben Ray Martinez,
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twenty three years old, a US citizen.
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I'm gonna repeat that a US citizen,
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not a green card holder, not a tourist in this country fully legally
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as a citizen within our borders.
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Because it keeps somehow not mattering to the people who should care.
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Ruben Rey Martinez was an American citizen celebrating his birthday in
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a beach town in Texas.
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There'd been a car crash at a busy intersection.
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HSI agents, that's Homeland Security Investigations,
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that's ICE, were on the scene.
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In the version Ice tells, Reuben intentionally ran over an agent.
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Now his mother disputes that. A friend who was there disputes that.
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An agent fired three shots through the driver's side window and killed the man.
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And then they handcuffed him before he got medical care.
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A twenty-three year old US citizen shot three times through his own car window,
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and the priority was handcuffed.
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Now ICE hid its involvement for nearly eleven months.
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His family knew he was dead. They didn't have the full story of
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who killed him because the agency that killed him decided that you didn't need
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to know. It only came out because a watchdog group called
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the American Oversight filed a FOIA lawsuit and it pried
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the internal documents loose. That's how accountability works in this system.
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A private organization has to sue the federal government to find
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out that the federal government shot an American citizen on his birthday.
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A Texas grand jury declined to indict,
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is anyone surprised? And the acting director of ICE,
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a man by the name of Todd Lyons,
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remember his name because he's a POS,
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but he stood by the decision. He stood by it.
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So why start here instead of a century ago?
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Because let's be honest, it's been going on a long time.
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We originally brought slaves into this country for the same reason.
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It's because this isn't a bug in a young program.
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This is the program. Within the first months of this deportation campaign,
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before the machine was even warm,
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it had already killed a person and hid it for the better part of a year
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and walked away spotless, smelling like a rose.
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That's a system succeeding at the thing it was built to do:
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to move human beings without friction and treat the ones who die
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as a rounding error.
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And that impulse, right, to to build a force like this is very,
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very old and genuinely very American.
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And the through line is always labor.
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For most of the twentieth century,
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immigration enforcement followed the same pattern.
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When the economy needed bodies for the fields,
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the rail lines, the meat packing floors,
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the border, it was a sort of a hazy suggestion.
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Come on in, we need you. When the economy softened or the politics turned,
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the same people who'd been invited became the target of raids and roundups
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and mass expulsions.
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The welcome mat and the deportation bus were the same policy,
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pointed in different directions depending on what the market wanted that year.
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In the nineteen fifties, this is the actual government name,
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Operation Wetback, the Eisenhower administration deported over a million people
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in one year. Military style sweeps through California and Texas,
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the people rounded up weren't strangers.
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They were workers recruited by American agriculture who'd spent years
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in the fields that fed our country.
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And when the political pressure shifted,
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the invitation evaporated.
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That's the real deep root. The person is never a person in this system.
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The person is a unit of labor whose legal status is a dial that gets turned
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by people who will never meet them.
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What got worse is that we built this standing armed federal police force around that
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mechanism, ICE. That was created in 2003 in a panic after 9-11,
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folded into a brand new department called Homeland Security.
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That framing Homeland Security is the whole trick.
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It took a labor market enforcement function and dressed it in
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the language of terrorism and national defense.
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So when an agent shoots a twenty three year old US citizen on his birthday,
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it gets filed under a security operation instead of what it actually is.
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I don't know if the people who built this kind of knew that that framing would
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let agents kill without consequence,
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but I know what they built. An agency inside the department least subject
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to the transparency rules that bind every local police officer I've ever met.
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An agency built to operate everywhere,
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not just at the border but in Minneapolis,
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in Houston, in a gas station parking lot in the oldest city in America.
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Built from day one with a culture
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of concealment masks hidden.
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Eleven months of hiding a citizen's murder isn't new.
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It's the oldest instinct in this apparatus.
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The people it processes don't get to know what happened to them because they were
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never really people to it. They were units.
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And you don't owe a unit.
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An explanation. So when IC hid the killing of Ruben Ray Martinez,
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that's not a scandal that somehow broke this entire system,
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that's the system peeking its dumb little turtle head out of
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its shell and introducing itself.
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Hi there.
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So, citizen Shawna's birthday,
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keep that in the back of your head.
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Take the the handcuffs before medical care,
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take the eleven months of silence with you forward,
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because we're gonna walk into the summer of twenty twenty six and you're gonna
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see the exact same machine running faster with more money and a promise
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it made and broke every single time.
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Ten point three billion dollars.
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That's the ICE budget for twenty twenty six,
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in case you were curious.
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I can't feel a number that big.
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I'll never touch a number that big.
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You won't either.
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So let me shrink it down to one line item that you can actually hold in your hand
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in a mind and in thought. $20 million.
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Not much better, right? But in April of 2026,
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Congress specifically appropriated $20 million
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for body-worn cameras for Department of Homeland Security law enforcement
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so that when someone dies, there's a record that isn't just a guy's word.
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Here's why that money existed.
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In January of 2026 in Minneapolis,
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an operation called Metro Surge killed two US citizens in 18 days.
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Renee Nicole Good on January 7th and Alex Jeffrey Pretti on January 24th.
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I talked about them all on this show in the past.
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Both deaths were caught on bystander cell phone video.
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And the
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Video contradicted the official accounts,
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not by a little, by a lot. When ordinary people could pull up camera footage
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on their phones and compare it to what DHS was saying,
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the legitimacy of the entire thing was cracked open wide and trust
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was forever broken for even people who think that ICE is a good thing.
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Now look, Minneapolis did what you're supposed to do in a democracy.
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Yes, Karen, it's also a republic.
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It's like saying all all rectangles are polygons,
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but not all polygons are rectangles.
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We have a democracy in this country.
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It's a representative democracy.
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50,000 people. Some counts said a hundred thousand in the streets.
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A Quinnapiak, I don't know how to say that.
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Quinapiak? Quinapiac? Quinapiac poll?
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Sure. Said that 82% of registered voters had seen a video of the shootings.
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That's a national consensus that something terrible happened.
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So DHS really didn't have a choice.
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They had to say something.
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So at the time, dumbfuck Barbie Christy Gnome pledged to rapidly acquire
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and deploy body cameras to all DHS law enforcement nationwide.
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Here's the detail that tells you it was theater.
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The same administration had originally proposed cutting the body camera program
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before the killings made cameras politically necessary.
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The rapid deployment wasn't a value,
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it was damage control. It was just a
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PR release with a verb in it, while the noun,
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the cameras, actually on bodies recording what agents do,
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has remained largely theoretical.
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And the truth is, Congress did it did its part.
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It did what they're supposed to.
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It controlled the purse strings and said,
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here, $20 million in April, folded into a bill that ended
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a partial government shutdown,
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real money, legally designated four cameras.
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Did the camera show up? By July,
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ICE told Congress directly that less than one third of officers nationally
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had been issued a body camera.
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Three months after the money showed up,
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two out of every three agents in the field were still roaming around with impunity
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unwatched.
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That's why this lands on actual bodies.
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July seventh, Houston. Lorenzo Salgado Araujo,
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fifty two, lived in Houston for thirty five years,
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owned a construction business,
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no criminal record, was literally in the process of applying for legal status.
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He's driving his crew to a job site in his white van.
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ICE agents are surveilling a completely different target.
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And Lorenzo's van matches a description.
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They stop the van, they shoot him in the abdomen,
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and he dies at Ben Taub Hospital.
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Ice says he weaponized his vehicle.
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Where have we heard that one before?
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Witnesses in the passengers say no agent was even in front of the van,
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and the shots came from the side of the van.
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There's no camera footage. The agents weren't wearing cameras.
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Ice later admitted he wasn't even the target.
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July thirteenth, six days later,
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Bidaford, Maine.
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Johann Sebastian Duran Guerrero twenty six,
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legal work authorization, a pending asylum case,
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not the target of the operation is shot and killed by an ICE agent named David
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Michael Bruyette. No cameras. The DOJ initially refuses to share information with
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the state of Maine. Over five hundred people rallied in Portland and there
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was not one federal charge.
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July fourteenth, the next day,
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Saint Augustine won. No footage of the encounter.
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DHS won't even confirm that he had a visa to be here.
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Three deaths, one week, zero cameras.
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An agency with ten point three billion dollars and
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a specific congressional appropriation for cameras,
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and not one agent involved in three murders was wearing one.
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Christy Nome was replaced as DHS Secretary in March of twenty twenty
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six by Marquine Mullen. Yes,
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that's the pronunciation of his name.
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He is a former ~ senator or House of Representatives rep to the state of Oklahoma.
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I know him very well. His office knows my name very well.
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The body camera rollout has stayed a joke under the under this joker.
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DHS has also refused to answer whether Juan had a valid visa,
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same instinct. The eleven months instinct.
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You don't get to know. Todd Lyons,
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the acting director, who stood by the grand jury on Rubin,
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is the one telling Congress about the one-third number standing
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by every public shooting.
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and saying that he stands with them consistently.
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And then Tom Homan, God, if I've ever met a man with a punchable face,
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the White House borders are. When the deaths piled up,
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Homan went on Fox News and warned that bloodshed would continue unless Democratic
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critics shut their mouth.
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He said he was afraid of having to bury an ICE agent.
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When pressed on the civilian deaths,
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the citizens, the tourists, the legal residents,
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his agents had murdered, he wouldn't address them.
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He redirected every single time.
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The bloodshed will continue.
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That's the man in charge saying the quiet part into a microphone,
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into a megaphone. It's horrific.
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Not a warning about, you know,
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like this is a problem, we need to solve it.
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A promise about a policy being maintained.
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The mechanism's not hidden, folks.
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ten point three billion dollars.
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An armed force that operates everywhere.
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A body camera program funded and not delivered
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on purpose because footage is a liability and darkness is an asset.
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Leadership that stands by every shooting hides the details
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and threatens the critics.
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Why does this still happen? Because it's working.
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Nobody's been charged. The velocity is up,
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the money is flowing. From the perspective of the people running it,
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there's no problem to fix here.
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Let's go back to Juan. Because in this episode,
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he's getting his own. We're gonna say his name and we're gonna refuse
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to let Juan just be a data point in this episode.
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Juan Jairo Coronilla Duran,
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San Luis de la Paz, Guanajuato,
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28 years old. He gets a valid tourist visa,
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goes to Atlanta with his family and friends.
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There's laughing in that, a couch,
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meals, somebody's kids running around.
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Then he does the most ordinary thing a person can do in this country.
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He decides he wants to go to Florida.
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He wants to see what it's like to be a Florida man.
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He heads east. He's got a wife,
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Jessica, a seven year old baby boy,
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a baby girl seven months old, and at a gas station in Saint Augustine before seven
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in the morning, men with guns and badges and bulletproof vests are
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Walk up to his car and nobody has explained why.
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What was the intelligence? What were they looking for?
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It certainly wasn't him, he couldn't have been on a list anywhere.
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It's never the person. It's a van that matched the description,
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a a car at a gas station, the wrong guy,
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over and over and over. He was brown.
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This operation generates motion.
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The motion generates contact. The contact generates death,
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and the death generates a citation of an ongoing investigation,
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and that's the i that's the loop.
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That's the whole thing. Look, he ran.
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People ask why he'd run if he was legal.
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Look, guys, you're at a gas station at dawn.
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Armed men rush your vehicle,
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three other people in your car take off,
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you run. That's not a confession.
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That is our central nervous system giving us two options fight or flight.
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And he didn't fight back. He ran because he was scared.
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Because that is what our central nervous system tells us to do.
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He ran across the road, slipped on wet grass,
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and a truck killed him. They flew his body home in the belly of
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a commercial plane out of Orlando.
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His seven month year old daughter will not remember his face.
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His wife had to retrieve him at an airport in Mexico,
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and the government of the country he came to visit as a tourist with permission will
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not even confirm that he had permission.
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Now put him next to Ruben Ray Martinez.
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Ruben was a citizen. Juan was a tourist.
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In the fantasy version of this system,
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this status is supposed to mean something.
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Both, by the rules that this system claims to run on,
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were people had that had no business killing.
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Both of those are dead. In both cases,
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no charges. In Rubin's case, a grand jury declined to indict,
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and the director stood by it after eleven months.
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Of purposeful concealment of the case.
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And in Juan's case, they won't even release the details of why his
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car was even approached.
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The legal status does not protect you.
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The whole justification for this bullshit We're going after people
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who broke the law. It collapses the second you line up the actual dead people.
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A citizen on his birthday, a tourist with a visa on vacation,
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a thirty five year Houston resident in the process to get his green card,
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a Colombian man with a legal work authorization and pending asylum.
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Lorenzo Salgado Aurajo left behind a business,
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a crew, a family, a son named Ronaldo?
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Johann Durangero left behind a partner and a three year old little girl.
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Ruben's mother, Rachel Reyes, is still waiting sixteen months now
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for justice for her son. And Jessica La Mia is a widow with two kids because
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her husband wanted to see the ocean.
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He wanted to see the water, folks.
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That is n that is a human desire.
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And I think about this seven month old little girl that will grow up
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in a house where her father is just a story.
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And the place where that man should be just has a hole in it.
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Exactly the shape of an explanation that DHS decided she wasn't entitled to.
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Why did you walk up to the car,
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Mama? Nobody ever said Miha. The government cited an ongoing investigation
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and kept citing it and time passed and nobody got charged.
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And the investigation closed into silence and the hole stayed the shape it was.
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That is the human cost of this darkness.
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That's not just an evidentiary gap in a court case,
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a permanent hole in the world.
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In a child's understanding of why her father died,
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that no lawsuit, no FOIA request,
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no watchdog organization can close,
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because the footage that would have answered the question was never recorded.
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The bloodshed will continue, Holman said,
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and he was right. The blood keeps belonging to citizens and tourists
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and asylum seekers and construction bosses,
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and the man who said it still sitting fat in his office.
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Let me pull these two threads together because really they're just one thread.
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Thread one, ICE kills people who aren't the targets of its operations.
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Tourists, citizens, legal residents,
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and faces no criminal accountability whatsoever,
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forever. End of story. And thread two,
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the body camera promise is made and funded and broken every time,
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which means there's never footage.
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To contradict the official account,
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which means ICE's word becomes the record.
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Functionally, the only version of events.
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Put those together and you get an armed federal agency,
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a gestapo, that kills the wrong people,
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controls the only narrative of how they died,
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and answers to no one. That's not a broken system.
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That is a complete system.
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Kill without accountability, narrate without contradiction,
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threaten anyone who complains about it,
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and shut your damn mouth. That's not dysfunction,
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that is a design. This whole thing was never about immigration as a moral category.
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It was about controlling a labor market by making a class of human beings disposable
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and turning their legal status into a dial that you could turn.
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When a person is a unit, you don't owe them a body camera,
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an explanation, or their widow a phone call,
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you process them. If one dies while in processing,
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that's shrinkage, the cost of doing business.
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That's why Juan being a tourist matters so much.
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He wasn't even part of the labor market that they're claiming to police.
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He was a customer, exactly the person Florida's tourism economy is built to attract.
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Come see the beaches, bring your family,
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spend your money. And the machine murdered him anyway.
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Because it doesn't distinguish.
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It was built to grab first and sort out later,
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and later is a luxury that a dead person doesn't get.
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Eleven months of concealing Rubin's death isn't the exception,
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it's the promise. It's the agency telling you exactly how much accountability you're
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gonna get.
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As little as legally possible,
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extended as long as legally possible,
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and none of it at all if they can help.
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That's why the idea that reform is the answer is a categorical error.
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You can't add cameras to an agency whose core competency is darkness.
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Twenty million dollars proved that they had the money,
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they had the legal authorization,
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the mandate, and eighty-two percent of the country having seen the videos
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and they still didn't put damn cameras on the damn agents who killed Lorenzo Johan
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or stood at the gas station where Juan died.
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That was not inability. It was intent.
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Twenty million dollars against a ten point three billion dollar budget
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is a rounding error. They could have bought every camera needed for every agent
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in the field and had money left over,
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but they chose not to, because a system built on treating people
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as disposable has no use for a device that records their disposal.
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Camera isn't a tool the system wants.
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It's a threat to its fundamental operating logic.
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So the question is not how do we make ice safer?
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It's why does a country that can't claims to believe in due process operate
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an armed security force whose entire function is to deny due process?
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And once you ask it that way, there's only one honest answer with what to
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do with a machine like that. You don't figure out how to tune it,
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you turn it off.
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Here's what you should be watching more closely now.
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Watch out for the phrase ongoing investigation and watch it over and over again.
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It sounds like accountability,
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like the wheels are turning, it's definitely not that.
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It's the mechanism of the eleven months and how they hid Ruben
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Rey Martinez for nearly a year,
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and and how they're hiding whatever happened at that gas station to Juan.
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Every time an agency says it, start a clock.
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And watch how many of those investigations ever produce a single charge against
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a single agent.
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And they take advantage of that and they weaponize it.
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They know you're not going to pay attention.
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As of this recording across at least ten deaths,
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that number is zero.
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Ten dead, zero charged, and everything else is noise designed to keep
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you from figuring that out.
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Juan came here on a tourist visa.
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He was, in the most literal sense,
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a paying guest to the United States.
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Florida spends fortunes advertising its beaches to exactly this kind of person.
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Come see us, bring your family.
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And when he died running from federal agents who never explained
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why they approached him, the government's response was to refuse to confirm
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he was allowed to be there. We invited him to visit and killed
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him by accident during an operation that wasn't even for him,
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and then denied him the dignity of admitting.
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That he was our guest, because admitting it would make the story worse.
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The visa becomes a secret because the truth is inconvenient to the killing.
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Learn the names of the agents.
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There's one on record, David Michael Bruliette,
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the agent in Maine. And that name exists because people fought to make it exist.
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Because advocates and journalists and state officials pushed back against
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a government that wanted the shooter to stay a faceless representative
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of an institution. The default in this system of is anonymity for the shooter
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and a permanent secret for the family.
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So the most radical thing that we can do.
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Is refusing to let these people be just faceless ice agents.
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When you talk about these murders,
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attach the human names on both sides,
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Juan and Lorenzo and Ruben, and Renee,
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and Alex and Johan, and the agents when we can get them.
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Because a system built on darkness cannot survive being named out loud over
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and over by ordinary people who refuse to stop.
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I know this was a dark one, guys,
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but that's the overlap for this week.
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You can find us in all of the usual places,
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FOF dot foundation. You can find us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.
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Please give us a rating if you haven't already.
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Say a name today, say Juan, say it to somebody who hasn't heard it.
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His daughter, seven months old,
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and she's going to need us to remember for her.
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We'll see you next week.
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Bye.