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Strictly Come Hamster - 12th Doctor Finale (featuring Joumana, Frazer, Mark & Dan) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  No, when I say no, you turn back around.
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  Hey, I'm going to be dead in a few hours.
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  So before I go, let's have this out, you and me, once and for
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  all. Winning.
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  Is that what you think it's about?
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  I'm not trying to win. I'm not doing this because I
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  want to beat someone, because I hate someone, or because because
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  I want to blame someone. It's not because it's fun.
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  God knows it's not because it's easy.
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  It's not even because it works, because it hardly ever does.
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  I do what I do because it's right, because it's decent, and
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  above all, it's kind. It's just that.
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  Just kind. If I run away today, good
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  people. Will die if I stand and fight.
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  Some of them might live, maybe not many, maybe not for long.
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  Hey, you know, maybe there's no point in any of this at all, but
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  it's the best I can do, So I'm going to do it, and I will stand
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  here doing it till it kills me. You're going to die too,
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  someday. Welcome back to Strictly Cum
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  Hamster. My name is Joe Ford and together
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  today I have assembled a group of the largest, the most
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  excitable Peter Capaldi fans. Is that how you say his name?
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  Capaldi. Capaldi, 12th Doctor fans that
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  you could possibly meet? Now, what retrobates do I have
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  in front of me here? Let's find out.
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  Well, from trap one, Mr. Mark McManus.
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  Hello. Hello, thanks for having me
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  back. Now please, in one word, sum up
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  your feelings on Peter Capaldi. One word.
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  Brilliant. Oh, that's a good word.
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  Unfortunately, Fraser Gregory is also with us here today.
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  Hello, Fraser. Well, good evening, Joe.
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  How are you today? Yeah, I'm fine.
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  Would you sum up the 12th Doctor in one word for me, please?
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  Yeah, you're going to ask us this.
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  And it really kind of flungsters a little bit because what I was
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  trying to think of that sort of raw, unfiltered side of him that
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  I really enjoy, but that kind of misses out that fire that he's
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  got that passion, that loyalty, that fierceness about him.
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  So in the end I just went with the the obvious 1 and I'm going
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  to say Scottish. You couldn't just say one word,
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  could you? Of.
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  Course not. The most and I'll met him for
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  the first time in the flesh this weekend, the beautiful Mr. Dan
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  Pitt. Hello, Dan.
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  Hello Joe, Thanks for having me. And Dan, would you please
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  summarise the 12th Doctor in one word for me, please?
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  I realise that's difficult with a complex character like this.
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  Alien. That's a good one.
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  That is a good one, and reasonably new to a hamster with
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  a blood pen knife. But banging her way through
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  Gallifrey interviewees right now.
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  Hello, Jumana. Hey I've.
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  Realised this is a tough sort of question, but one word.
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  The 12th Doctor. Transcendent.
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  Oh yeah, sorry guys, your ones are out.
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  That would be amazing. We are here today, now.
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  We're not here to discover the best the 12th Doctor story
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  because let's be honest, that really isn't the strictly come
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  hands to format. But we will discover our
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  favorite and the story that is going to kick through into the
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  finale of grand finales as one story from each Doctor goes head
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  to head and we find out who the hell is going to win this.
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  Let's say what's the opposite of chart topping, chart bottoming
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  list of stories. But to start us off, I would
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  like to talk about the era as a whole.
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  Yeah, so we're talking Season 8, Series 8, Series 9 and series
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  10. Can I just have your overall
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  thoughts on those three seasons? And let's go in the reverse
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  order this time, Giovanna. Oh well, I think they are a very
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  ambitious series of, well, series, series of seasons.
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  I can never get them right anyway, one or one or the other.
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  I think they make a very ambitious hole because it is a
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  slow burn. And I know it starts off in a
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  way that robbed a lot of people the wrong way.
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  But I think you really have to see them as a whole because the
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  evolution of the character is like, it never happened this way
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  for any other Doctor before. So I think I find it a very,
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  very impressive ensemble if you like, but definitely darker and
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  more mature perhaps than we have seen previously.
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  If I had to force you to put a pin in one season and say that's
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  my favorite season. 09. 90 We're coming at this from very
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  different angles. We're going to have a great
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  conversation today, Dan, the era.
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  What do you think? Yeah, I think it does the same
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  as as the other Moffat era, the the the 11th Doctor one where I
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  think it starts really strong, gets a bit flabby in the middle
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  and and then kind of rallies round for and goes out on a
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  high. So I, you know, I think I think
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  with, with, with this, you know, the Peter Capaldi era, it's a
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  season that feels like it was made for the fans rather than
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  for the, the, the wider viewing audience.
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  It feels much more. Yeah, it, it feels like Moffat
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  is no longer worried about ratings or anything like that as
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  long as he's telling good Doctor Who stories.
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  And I think that's what he was aiming for here.
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  And I think like, you know, like, like I say, I think like 8
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  is a really strong opener. Obviously has a lot of
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  similarities to the Colin Baker era.
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  I suppose, you know, the the the doctor is you, you've had such a
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  nice pleasant Dr. prior to this that you then had to have one
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  that was a bit more spiky, a bit more edgy.
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  So you you've got that kind of starting off and and as that and
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  they get to do it that proper arc, really don't they, where
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  those rough edges kind of get smoothed off and and by the end
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  of it, you know, he's he's he's he's you know, he is the doctor
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  and I think it's. What Colin wanted wasn't it.
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  It's exactly what Colin wanted. Was like Mr. Darcy from
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  unlikeable figure to hero, but it just didn't have.
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  The time where? There's the time here, isn't it,
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  to tell that story? Yeah, and you know, for me, I
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  think like season 10 is peak, peak Moffett, not just peak
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  Capaldi. And I think it that teacher and
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  mentor and the student kind of aspect of it suits this Doctor
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  really well. And I think, I mean, he has
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  great, don't get me wrong, he has great chemistry with Clara,
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  but but I think that that chemistry with Bill, I just, I
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  just love that season that, you know, that those two paired up
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  with and also with Nardo, not forgetting him.
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  I just think it's a really strong, tireless team And and
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  yeah, finishes really, really high in.
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  Mr. University Lecturer. I mean, that's just gold, isn't
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  it? Boy, if he'd been one of my
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  lecturers back in the day, I might have actually paid
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  attention to make money on podcasting, you know?
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  Good grief. Well, Fraser, now, look, I just
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  want to say to you. Right.
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  Yeah, Obviously we've been podcasting quite a lot lately
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  and having this sort of combative relationship.
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  Yeah. I love you with all my heart,
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  Fraser. Gregory, please tell me what you
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  think of the 12 Doctors era. Succinctly, please.
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  Succinctly. As an era, I think it's it's
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  probably one of the most complex and sophisticated will you we've
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  ever had in classic on you. You know, it's it's an era that
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  more than any really gets under the skin of who the doctor is.
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  You know, there's a lot of episodes, a lot of stuff going
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  on that is really poke and a stick into the character of the
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  Doctor. And you know, the scene, what
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  what happens. It's, it's a funny one because I
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  think there's a, a definite, you know, yes, he starts off very
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  much as an unlikable character. And I don't think that's
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  necessarily intentional. I could be wrong, but I don't
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  think I've ever seen like an interview with Moffett, a
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  Capaldi, where they've ever said, you know, this, this is
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  what? You're doing to be a prick.
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  Yeah. What we're doing to really hate
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  him. Yeah.
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  Is that. Well, you know, we we looked at
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  season 22 and we thought that's great.
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  That's, you know, I think. Similarities though, right?
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  There are, there are, but I don't think it's intentional.
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  I think what's happened more than anything, obviously without
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  any to back this up, is that Peter Capaldi has been playing
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  Cardinal Rush Lou before he comes in to Doctor Who.
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  He's been playing Malcolm Tucker in The Thick of It and in The
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  Loop before he comes in to Doctor Who.
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  He's a known face. He's a known, well established,
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  well respected actor and the writers initially can't see past
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  that. And so they are writing, they
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  are not writing for Doctor Who, they are writing for Peter
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  Capaldi as Malcolm Tucker. So I think that really
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  influences the first season. So you do see this kind of tail
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  off and it works. It really does work as a
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  character progression from, you know, really unfiltered, you
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  know, just seeing exactly what you think's at the start of
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  really soft and having that more, you know, professor
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  student relationship with with Bill by the end.
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  But I think as a result of that, what you see is the more
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  likeable his character gets. Unfortunately, I think the
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  quality of the rating goes down as well.
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  So for me, I'm I'm a bigger fan of season of Series 8 than I am
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  of 10, purely on the strength of the quality of the the
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  individual stories in that you. Champion of the DAM for nothing
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  today. Yeah, and also the arc as well.
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  I think you know, the three arcs we get, you know, I would rate
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  bottom of the pile has to be the hybrid because I still don't
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  know who the hybrid is and I don't think anyone knows who the
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  hybrid is. I think it might be the five of
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  us, you know? It could well be standing
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  standing in the ruins of hamster with a blood and pen knife.
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  Yes, I think you know, after that you get the redemption of
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  Missy. But the real arc, the real one
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  that I keep coming back to time and time again, is is the
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  tragedy of Danny Pink, which I made a good mind.
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  That's that's not what series it's about.
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  It's all about the relationship between Clara and Danny Pink and
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  Clara and the Doctor and the Doctor and Danny Pink and that
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  whole arc is just is it's brilliant for me, you know, it
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  is. It's just you know, Moffett is
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  the man that doesn't do characters, but it's so
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  character driven is the 12th Doctors here.
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  It's all about these relationships between him and
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  Clara, him and Bill, him and Missy, him and Danny and.
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  It's. I remember, you know, not liking
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  them as much after Series 8. And I remember getting my Series
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  8 box set for Christmas and thinking, well, you know, I've
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  only got this out of completeness.
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  You know, I didn't quite enjoy that as much.
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  And then I remember kind of thinking just after Christmas,
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  I'm going to put some Doctor Who on.
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  So, and I went straight for the series 8 box set and I put that
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  on and I went started going back and I started rewatching.
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  And over the years I've rewatched and I've rewatched.
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  And the more you rewatch, I think this is any of that really
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  rewards rewatching and, you know, doing a marathon or doing
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  a doing it in order. And the more I've watched the
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  12th Doctor, the more I absolutely adore.
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  And I think no other doctor can really.
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  Or here I really nails who the Doctor is as much as this one.
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  Succinctly, I'll say that was. That was succinct.
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  You should see the notes I've made.
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  Please don't answer this because I don't want another lecture
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  like that. But they said Steven Moffett
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  can't do characters. Who says that?
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  What a nonsense thing to say. Everyone, everyone says Moffett
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  doesn't do character work. He does.
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  He's all a plot and RTV he doesn't do plot, he just does
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  characters. One of my favourite moments in
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  all of Doctor Who comes from a Steven Moffett script featuring
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  one of my least favorite characters of all time, together
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  or not at all. Off the roof.
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  Oh, it's amazing. Well, possibly the most
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  devastatingly handsome man in all of Doctor Who podcasting,
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  Mark McManus. What do you think of the 12th
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  Doctor Zira? I love the 12th Doctor Zira.
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  It's my favorite of the new series by by some way.
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  I think the, the, I do really like the writing of all three
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  seasons. I think that, you know, at the
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  time there was, there was talk that Stephen Moffatt decided he
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  wanted to slow things down a bit.
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  He wanted to have longer scenes a bit kind of more in depth and
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  that kind of thing. And just immediately right from
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  deep breath just clicked with me.
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  I I slightly disagree with the idea that he's an unpleasant,
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  you know, kind of character right from the off.
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  For me, I think the 9th Doctor is more spiky and unpleasant,
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  but it never really seems to get picked up on.
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  But I think maybe because he came first and then capacity
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  became after tenant and Smith who he, you know, manic Pixie
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  dream doctors sort of thing. So I think there was more of a
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  contrast with what immediately came before.
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  And I think Capaldi came with it.
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  You know, he grew up with the first four doctors and that was
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  what it was. We know it was a massive,
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  massive fan of. And I don't think he's I think
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  he's of that ilk and that that's why, again, it just is jazz for
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  people with with the more recent doctors.
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  But I don't think he's any more spiky for for using that word
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  again. Dan, Dan, any of the first four
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  doctors and and Colin Baker's who said so.
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  I think he's yeah. I just think he's brilliant.
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  I love his area. He's one of those doctors that
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  just lifts even a weaker story or a script that you're not that
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  keen on. Just his presence in the way
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  that sort of Tom Baker, just his presence in a story just makes
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  it so watchable. And he's brilliant throughout.
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  And I think my favorite of his series is Whichever Can I just
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  most recently. Yeah, Can I just come in there
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  on that point? I think 100% agree.
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  You know, we've went from, you know, Tennant in Smith, young
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  dashing, you know, puppy dog doctors to someone who's a lot,
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  you know, older and got me and that is John.
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  But I think for me it's it is just that filter.
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  You know, it's it's like, you know, the 11th Doctor and the
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  12th Doctor, exactly the same characters.
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  They're written by the same manner, exactly the same way.
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  It's just the the 12th Doctor doesn't have that filter that
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  stops and saying things that are potentially uncounted.
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  The 11th Doctor is every bit as much as a prick as the capacity
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  Doctor. He just smiles and is cuter
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  about it, which I think is a bit more insidious actually.
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  At least 12 is upfront about how much.
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  This is, this is it. He's, you know, the the 11th
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  Doctor hides it very well, and the 9th Doctor, I think probably
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  hides it a bit better as well. But where's the 12th?
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  There is nothing hidden. He is as straight and honest as
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  as he can be to your face. Yeah, if I can add to that,
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  because the 11th Doctor still had an understanding of, you
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  know, social mores and how humans behave.
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  So, so, so he knows when he, you know, when he's being rude, but
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  with a smiling face, he knows what he's doing.
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  The 12th Doctor is completely he's he's been reset.
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  He no longer, you know, all his understanding of how society
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  works among humans has been stripped away.
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  So he just says it like he, you know, he wouldn't.
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  He doesn't know when he's being rude.
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  He's just, like you said, he's just raw And and then he's very
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  surprised when somebody's offended because.
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  Those cards, Oh my God, I'm so sorry for the loss of your pet
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  relative. Whatever it is, it's just like
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  go get the car, start quick. So funny.
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  I mean, like, I don't think there's a a moment in a that's
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  more jarring than that moment in the beast below where the star
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  is like, oh, go fly through space, Amy Pond.
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  And then by the end of that episode, he's screaming in her
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  face like no one's got any right to tell me what's happening.
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  There's no point in a where Capaldi is that horrible to to
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  pull Jenna Coleman's Clara Mark. Did you have anything else to
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  add there about the Era I? Was going to say was my favorite
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  season is usually whichever one I've watched most recently.
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  A gun was up in my head. I would say 8.
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  I'm in complete agreement with you.
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  I suppose it's my turn next. I I think 8 is my favorite
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  Steven Moffitt season of all. And I love, I love how much of A
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  prick he is that year. I love Colin being a bastard and
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  I love John Pertwee being a bastard as well because I think
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  the payoff is extraordinary. You start with and by a good man
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  and you end with. Do you honestly think, you know?
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  You could betray me and I still wouldn't.
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  I still wouldn't be here for you and help you out there in dark
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  water, which is just one of the best.
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  Thing I care so little for you that between me would.
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  Make it's beautiful, beautiful and her reaction to that.
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  I just get chills watching that, whereas I I find the the midlife
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  crisis 9 a little bit, you know, on some of tanks with guitars
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  and. I I love the tank that the only
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  when you love it. Yeah, I mean, I'm scared it's
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  gonna be me in about 5 years. That's probably why I'll I'll be
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  doing that in five years. So when I hit 50 and then in 10.
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  I love the professorial thing and I love the relationship with
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  Bill. I think they go in 10 with like
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  this. We're going to make him as
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  likeable as possible because something's gone wrong and he
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  hasn't caught the audience that we wanted him to.
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  So he has like a run of stories. I don't think that's.
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  What happens? I don't think that's what
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  happens. I think there's there's a
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  deliberate shift in the pilot to make him a more likeable
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  character because in the previous couple of episodes he's
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  literally going the whole universe can end and I don't
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  care. And that's not a very likeable
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  stance. Whereas in the pilot, he's just
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  immediately being helpful and lovely to everybody.
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  Yeah, I'm going to correct you on that because the previous two
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  episodes of the two Christmas specials, which is I was.
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  Talking about helping. Doctor Mysterio and and those
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  ones. Are Well, I'm sorry Fraser, I'll
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  try very hard to forget about Doctor Mysterio somewhere in the
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  back of my hypothalamus. That's because you're a loser
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  and it is just getting, it's the different dynamic between him
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  and Bill and and him and Clara. How?
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  Refreshing. It is, but at the same time, I
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  think you know what goes on between the cross Dr. and Clara.
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  It's interesting. You know, you might not like it.
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  You might think, you know, this is yeah, you might think this is
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  this is toxic. This is you know what, not what
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  I want to see the Doctor down the companion doing.
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  But you know, it's interesting. It's different.
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  It's you can see Moffett coming up this and thinking, you know
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  what? We've got to see this formula
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  we're doing with everybody. Let's do something a bit
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  different. Let's shake it up a little bit.
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  Let's let's, you know, make it interesting.
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  And he doesn't always get that right.
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  You know, often he throws a lot of stuff at the screen to make
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  it interesting. Like, you know, like Daleks
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  can't say the word pity or whatever.
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  I mean, crap like that. But sometimes it really does
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  work. You know, if nothing else, you
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  are engaged and interested much and then you come away and
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  you'll slag it off, but you slag it off because you're engaged,
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  because it's resonated. Hit something with you.
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  I think it's hampered though, because Coleman wimped out of
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  leaving the show in last Christmas and so she's barely
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  got anything to do in nine. You know she's written out of
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  well. She's tagged with Missy in the
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  1st 2:00. Which is lens?
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  Which is she's written out of two episodes completely.
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  She's forced to play a villain in one episode because.
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  Which is brilliant. Saigon too far to, yeah, but the
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  character of Clara isn't given anything to do, and that's a
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  problem. That's a problem.
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  Like, Oh my God, that's a big statement.
• 21:09
  And not until, Obviously not until face the Ravens, when we
• 21:14
  finally get rid of her. Oh, no, wait, we don't because
• 21:16
  we don't do that anymore anyway. Sorry, I don't.
• 21:18
  And then in 10 and then in 10, yeah, I do.
• 21:22
  I do think there's a new mission.
• 21:23
  Well, that's how I see it anyway.
• 21:25
  And then in the second-half of the season, I think that's
• 21:26
  muddied because you get scenes like him trying to get Bill to
• 21:30
  shoot him and things like this. And it's, there's some really
• 21:33
  awkward, ugly moments in that second-half of that season where
• 21:36
  I'm just not sure who he is. It's like the mind warp of Trial
• 21:40
  of a Time Lord. You know, they've they've
• 21:41
  corrected the character and then he's behaving in an unpleasant
• 21:44
  way again. It's all a bit strange, but the
• 21:48
  I love the darkness of the era. I like how psychologically
• 21:52
  probing the era is. And I just think he's an
• 21:55
  extraordinary actor, probably the best actor to have ever
• 21:59
  played the Doctor. Despite what I think of the
• 22:01
  material, Capaldi is strong enough to rise above or meet the
• 22:07
  material, wherever it's at. Quality rise.
• 22:10
  Yeah, he's amazingly good. Oh, now everyone's nodding their
• 22:14
  heads at me. Now I'm saying nicely.
• 22:16
  Capaldi is the best. He's he's extraordinary.
• 22:19
  Like I said, he's transcendent as an actor.
• 22:21
  You can't take your eyes off him.
• 22:23
  Like it don't matter who else is in the scene.
• 22:25
  I just can't take him while I was off Capaldi.
• 22:28
  What if he's not a leading man that often, is he?
• 22:30
  When you think like he's in The Three Musketeers, he was, you
• 22:34
  know, he was a villain, so he wasn't in it that much.
• 22:36
  He's in ensembles like in The Thick of It and In The Loop and
• 22:39
  that type of thing. But he's he's totally leading
• 22:42
  man material. He can completely carry a series
• 22:44
  like Doctor Who. It's a shame you don't get to
• 22:46
  see that more, I think. He's he's prepared to step back
• 22:50
  as well, I think, and give other people their moment in a scene.
• 22:53
  He doesn't have to dominate a scene like some of the doctors
• 22:55
  you get in the new series. Did you want to say Dominic?
• 22:58
  Still. Oh, Fraser, you're still always
• 23:01
  looking at him. Well look, let's go into round
• 23:06
  one then and have a look at the runners up.
• 23:12
  This is a chance for the runners up to have an.
• 23:14
  Before we do that, before we do that, can I ask everyone a
• 23:17
  question please, Because I mean, obviously this is this is
• 23:22
  strictly come hamster. This is where good sense and
• 23:24
  good taste and goes to die. And the options we've been left
• 23:28
  with are spurious at best, batshit at worst.
• 23:33
  You know, I can guarantee that everyone has got one story at
• 23:37
  least that they are gutted is not in this mix.
• 23:40
  So I want to know what is the one story from the 12th Doctor
• 23:43
  that everyone if you had a pass you would put in this list?
• 23:48
  Who are you asking? Well, I'll go first while
• 23:50
  everyone thinks, because obviously this is what I've just
• 23:53
  dropped on. Is it drop of a hat?
• 23:55
  So for me it is the husbands of River song that was mentioned
• 23:58
  because, you know, I just think that is such a beautiful story.
• 24:04
  It's, you know, we come off to 9 and it's been really heavy.
• 24:07
  It's been really dark and it's been really deepened.
• 24:10
  You know, we have we'll have a Christmas special, which is just
• 24:13
  a nice bit of fun. River Song I've never been a fan
• 24:16
  of until this episode, to be honest.
• 24:19
  By the time we got to the end of this, by the time we got to.
• 24:22
  And that that scene where she is extelling the virtues of the
• 24:26
  Doctor and not knowing that you stood right next to her.
• 24:29
  And then he turns, she turns and looks him in the eye and he just
• 24:32
  smiles back. Hello, sweetie.
• 24:35
  And every single emotion possible breaks on the Cliff of
• 24:40
  Alex Kingston's face in response to that.
• 24:43
  It's just such a beautiful moment and I think.
• 24:45
  Ending Fraser where they're staring into each other's eyes
• 24:48
  and I dread to think what came after.
• 24:50
  We cut away from that scene at the.
• 24:52
  End 24 years of Deridium. Boy it is sexy as hell.
• 24:55
  It is and it's, it's, it's the perfect sort of end for River
• 24:59
  Song. It's, it's just a, a brilliant
• 25:02
  performance by Capaldi. You know that scene where he
• 25:04
  goes into the TARDIS for the first time?
• 25:06
  So this is my turn. Now I get to.
• 25:08
  Do this. You know, it's, it's, it's a
• 25:12
  real highlight, you know, I mean, I watch every all the
• 25:14
  Christmas specials every year, you know, I'm counting down till
• 25:17
  it's officially far enough in November 1st to start watching.
• 25:20
  And it'll be one of the first ones I watch because I really
• 25:22
  adore. So that would be my choice.
• 25:25
  Oh my. God, my understanding of noise,
• 25:30
  of physics has been completely transformed.
• 25:33
  Forever. So great, No, Even better during
• 25:37
  the bit of the star when he opens the door to the Carol
• 25:39
  singers and goes bugger off. I got Amazon.
• 25:46
  And when River says he never noticed before the look he gives
• 25:49
  her. Or maybe he'll notice this.
• 25:51
  Time. Does everyone find they're
• 25:54
  becoming Peter Capaldi's doctor the older they get?
• 25:56
  I mean, I am. Well, let's go round to let's
• 26:02
  ask Mark next. What episode is not on this
• 26:04
  extremely sophisticated list of episodes that you would choose?
• 26:08
  Probably an obvious one, but Mummy on the Orient Express is,
• 26:12
  is an absolute favorite. It's just, it's it's fun and
• 26:16
  it's funny, but it's creepy as well.
• 26:18
  I think the mummy design is, is excellent and it's just, yeah,
• 26:23
  it's just a great story. The really satisfying
• 26:25
  conclusion, I think. Yeah, good, good guest cast and
• 26:29
  everything. It's yeah.
• 26:31
  It's one that I often bring up to watch just as a, as a good
• 26:35
  example of the of the era. So yeah, it's a it's a surprise
• 26:39
  I suppose, that that wasn't made it through because it seems to
• 26:41
  be one that people who don't like the era would cite as one
• 26:45
  that they do enjoy. I was feeling contrary that
• 26:48
  night. I'll kick that one out.
• 26:50
  Although you sure it's got nothing to do with Jenna Coleman
• 26:52
  in that cocktail dress? Well.
• 26:57
  You don't have to answer that mark.
• 27:01
  Soap Pyjamas yeah, I would have gone with with mummy, but but as
• 27:08
  Mark's beaten me to it, I will nominate Time Heist.
• 27:12
  I think I it's it's it's a favorite of mine and it's also a
• 27:19
  favorite of of my sons as well. So it's some it's one that we
• 27:23
  tend to watch quite a lot together.
• 27:26
  And that was his first question when when he when he came in and
• 27:30
  saw that I was watching kill the moon and asked why I was doing
• 27:34
  that. And I said, well, this is the
• 27:35
  list I've been given. He goes, why is time heights not
• 27:38
  on there? So so so time.
• 27:40
  Heights your mouth of babes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:43
  Good lad. Yeah.
• 27:44
  Now, Joanna, you're going to say time heights, obviously.
• 27:46
  Well, you're treating 3/3 of my choices, so I think I will say
• 27:53
  deep breath it. It's a great opener.
• 27:58
  If you're new to Doctor Who, the first thing you see is a a
• 28:01
  dinosaur spitting out blue box in Victoria and London.
• 28:05
  You're like, I want to know what's going on here, you know,
• 28:09
  and it's just the way he immediately he inhabits the part
• 28:13
  fully. And he is, he is, he is, he is
• 28:16
  weirded out and he's weird, but he's also funny.
• 28:19
  He's, I don't know, there's yeah, I, I, I was not prepared
• 28:26
  to talk about this episode, not on the list, but I think there's
• 28:30
  so much to it. I love the the Paternoster gang.
• 28:35
  I love how funny Strax is and with with Clara as well, and how
• 28:41
  he he brings her down a notch without without meaning to, but
• 28:45
  it's funny. It's not, you know, without.
• 28:47
  Meaning to he throws that paper right in her face.
• 28:51
  Oh God. That's her first and she's.
• 28:52
  So funny, isn't it? Is that the funniest visual joke
• 28:57
  in all of Doctor? It's kind of.
• 29:00
  It's, it's, it's comedy and then it's dark and then it's kind of
• 29:04
  body horror, but not in a disturbing way.
• 29:07
  And it's just bonkers. And then you get this wonderful
• 29:11
  scene where all this time the doctor has been confused and
• 29:15
  doesn't know who he is. We don't know who he is yet.
• 29:17
  He's just acting very strange. And then you have this
• 29:19
  confrontation with this half robot, half person where he gets
• 29:24
  really intense and you start seeing, OK, I think I can start
• 29:29
  seeing it. Like he has this dark and we
• 29:31
  don't know. We're not told.
• 29:32
  Who cares who you know whether? What do you think?
• 29:36
  I think doctor puts him but but you know, and the, the moment
• 29:42
  where he kind of looks down and then he suddenly he looks up
• 29:46
  into the camera always gets me because the, the, that look is
• 29:50
  just extraordinary. And it's gorgeous.
• 29:53
  It's gorgeous. You know, Victorian episodes,
• 29:55
  they're always gorgeous. So it, they're so it's, it's,
• 29:58
  it's fantastic. There's some, I mean, we could
• 29:59
  do a whole episode on that. I don't want to go on and on,
• 30:01
  but yeah, since you have taken my three first choices, I was
• 30:05
  saying to Beth, yeah, although there are so many episodes I, I
• 30:09
  really love about this. Hold on.
• 30:11
  No one took my choice. I'm pleased to say mine's a
• 30:14
  massive grower because I didn't really think that much of it on
• 30:17
  transmission and the more I watch it the more I love it.
• 30:21
  Mine's Into the Dalek, which I just think is the one of the
• 30:24
  most stylish episodes. The bits where the Daleks burst
• 30:28
  through that door and that model, Oh my God, it just looks
• 30:31
  absolutely sunny. But it's a great examination of
• 30:33
  the 12th Doctor as well and comparing him to the Dalek.
• 30:37
  All of that stuff's really interesting.
• 30:39
  Clara gets loads to do. There's lots of quirky, weird
• 30:42
  stuff going on. All the antibodies inside the I
• 30:45
  just think it's a great adventure, that one.
• 30:46
  It's the nice right tone of sort of RIP roaring action
• 30:53
  psychological examination and and just a great showcase for
• 30:58
  Capaldi and Coleman as well. Yeah, I think it's I think it's
• 31:00
  wonderful, but they're not on the list.
• 31:03
  So what the list we're stuck with today is Robot of Sherwood,
• 31:10
  Flatline, Hellbent, The Pilot and Wild Enough in Time and the
• 31:16
  Doctor Falls. Yes, that's right, it was the
• 31:19
  runner up. So let's do a round Robin then
• 31:23
  and see what what people are choosing.
• 31:27
  And because he's fidgeting uncomfortably in his chair.
• 31:30
  Dan, why don't you go first? Yeah, I I suppose reason and
• 31:36
  logic dictates that I should pick something like Flatline or
• 31:41
  A Wild Enough of Time and The Doctor Falls, but I'm not going
• 31:44
  to. I'm going to nominate Robot
• 31:50
  Sherwood. I knew.
• 31:53
  Somebody was going to do this. And the reason is it's just,
• 31:57
  it's just so much fun. It's just, it's just such a, you
• 32:01
  know, like a fun adventure. It's, it's, it's camp.
• 32:05
  It's, it's just brilliant, you know, And I, and I think it's
• 32:10
  kind of the story that if, if you are going to have a Doctor
• 32:12
  Who that starts off where he is a little bit sort of edgy, a
• 32:17
  little bit sharp, you know, you need stories like this with that
• 32:21
  blend of like sort of like comic humour, that sort of, and then
• 32:26
  the swashbuckling kind of adventure and robot insured it
• 32:32
  has it in spades. It's, it's, you know, and I
• 32:36
  think, I think the highlight of it is that that rivalry between
• 32:42
  Robin Hood and the, the 12th Doctor and, and it, you know, it
• 32:47
  starts off and they're very quite confrontational and kind
• 32:50
  of trying to outdo one another. But, but as the story goes,
• 32:56
  there's this sort of mutual respect that just kind of grows
• 33:01
  between the, the, the 2 characters, you know, and like,
• 33:04
  you know, at the, at the start of the story, you've got like,
• 33:08
  you know, Robin Hood, he's just laughing at everything and, and
• 33:12
  all this sort of stuff. And, and, you know, the doctor
• 33:16
  goes, you know, do people ever punch you in the face?
• 33:19
  That's. Brilliant.
• 33:22
  You know, there's this legendary character and the Doctor goes,
• 33:28
  well, they would like to punch you in the face every time you.
• 33:31
  Laugh Exactly the sort of things you want to say to people.
• 33:33
  Yeah. Oh, exactly.
• 33:34
  We've says it, don't it? We we've all been in groups of
• 33:37
  people where there's someone like that, they don't shut up.
• 33:41
  I'm just going to, you know. Who you talking about from this
• 33:44
  weekend just gone down? I'm not going to say on camera.
• 33:53
  I've got a bruise on my cheek though.
• 33:58
  And yet, you know, towards the end of the story, you know,
• 34:01
  that's the as the Doctor goes into the TARDIS, you've got like
• 34:04
  Clara going to admit it, you like him and he goes, well, I'm
• 34:08
  leaving him a present on ice. So and it's just lovely that
• 34:12
  sort of that scene where he gets, you know, Robin gets
• 34:14
  reunited with with with Marion. So it kind of really, really
• 34:19
  touches, you know, really tugs on your heartstrings.
• 34:21
  That does, doesn't it? You've you've also got the sword
• 34:26
  fight with the spoon. I mean, only in Doctor Who could
• 34:29
  you have a character fight someone with a with a spoon and
• 34:35
  you know, and I just I just love the way that the you know, this.
• 34:40
  And again, I think this kind of backed up what Mark was saying
• 34:43
  that that he isn't this doctor isn't as unlikable as people
• 34:46
  actually kind of make him out to be.
• 34:48
  Because when he goes, I don't have a sword, I have a spoon.
• 34:53
  And he goes, you know, on guard. And he's right into the action
• 34:56
  sort of thing that that that is not someone that's horrible.
• 34:59
  That is, that is, that's someone that that's fun, that's you know
• 35:03
  well. He wields that spoon like Errol
• 35:05
  Flynn doesn't. He with the glove.
• 35:10
  I love the the archery tournament because it, it
• 35:15
  becomes like, who's got the biggest Willy con between,
• 35:19
  between the between Robin and the doctors that they're trying
• 35:23
  to outdo each other with more and more sort of elaborate
• 35:27
  trickery. And then later on we find out
• 35:29
  that the doctors actually cheated and used technology to
• 35:32
  be able to show him up. You know what else?
• 35:39
  Yeah, I, I, I really like Ben Miller as the.
• 35:44
  As the the. The Sheriff of Nottingham as
• 35:46
  well. I think he's that kind of, he's
• 35:49
  one of those villains that almost feels a bit panto, but
• 35:52
  kind of like twirling of the the mustache, a little bit of over
• 35:56
  the top kind of thing. And I and I, and I think what,
• 36:00
  what's really good is that I feel it's quite fitting that
• 36:04
  Robin defeats him with the move that the Doctor used to defeat
• 36:07
  him when they were sword fighting at the beginning.
• 36:10
  And I and I think that kind of then it does underline that sort
• 36:13
  of admiration that's growing between those, those two, two
• 36:17
  people. It's Chekhov's butt thruster.
• 36:20
  Yes, but, but I think it's not just that banter because because
• 36:26
  that feels quite quite thin. Quite, you know, shallow.
• 36:32
  There is quite a lot of depth to this story as well because
• 36:36
  you've got that running theme through series 9 where the
• 36:39
  doctors kind of asking am IA good man.
• 36:43
  He, he's striving to kind of find his identity after his
• 36:46
  previous regeneration. And, and I think through Robin,
• 36:51
  the story kind of holds a mirror up to the doctor and it kind of
• 36:56
  highlights his, his, his character as being good, as
• 37:01
  being a hero, as, as being someone that fights, you know,
• 37:05
  for the weak. And, and, and, and I think, you
• 37:09
  know, that's kind of highlighted towards the end of the the the
• 37:12
  thing where the, the episode where the doctor and Robin are
• 37:16
  kind of saying their goodbyes. And, and you know, there's,
• 37:21
  there's a similarity in that journey where both were Gentry
• 37:25
  who ran away from their responsible or foot stood up for
• 37:29
  their responsibilities, I suppose, and then began that
• 37:34
  sort of like championing the the the those that were weaker than
• 37:38
  them fighting for those people. And, and I and I think it's
• 37:41
  it's, you know, that I I think that's really, really good.
• 37:45
  How that's kind of how Mark Gaters has kind of weaved that
• 37:48
  into it and kind of answers that am IA good man.
• 37:51
  Only three episodes into that arc.
• 37:55
  Yeah, yeah. And then and I think I, I think
• 38:00
  like the I'm going to leave it with this because I don't want
• 38:02
  to take up too much time, but I love that line at the end when
• 38:05
  the Doctor and and Robin are talking with one another.
• 38:08
  And and Rob Robin kind of goes, is it, is it true that I've been
• 38:13
  forgotten as a real man and I'm only remembered as a as a
• 38:16
  legend? And the doctor goes, well, I'm
• 38:17
  afraid it's so. And then Robin comes back.
• 38:20
  He goes, good history is a burden.
• 38:23
  Stories can make us fly. And I, and I think this is a
• 38:26
  story that really does fly. That's why I'm putting it
• 38:29
  forward. Oh.
• 38:31
  Yeah, fantastic. I'm.
• 38:32
  Half convinced, you know Jomana, what are you choosing from this
• 38:40
  list of oddities? I'm going to champion the pilot.
• 38:46
  I mean, I was torn between two or three, but I I'm going to go
• 38:49
  for the pilot because I think it's such a beautifully crafted
• 38:52
  opener. You know, there are there are a
• 38:55
  lot of continuity references it but in it, but like on the
• 38:59
  doctor's desk and and things like that.
• 39:01
  But if you're a new viewer, they don't get in the way at all.
• 39:03
  You actually don't need to know a thing about the doctor or the
• 39:06
  show before you start because you discover it through the eyes
• 39:10
  of the companion, which is the best way.
• 39:12
  And I actually envy anybody who watches this episode without
• 39:15
  prior, prior knowledge because it is really kind of you go from
• 39:20
  wonder to wonder and you get to discover the TARDIS in that
• 39:25
  amazing way. So, so, so you start and it's
• 39:29
  just this maybe eccentric professor.
• 39:32
  And I love Bill the moment she walks in and she gives Nardo
• 39:39
  that look when he squeaks. He's such a perfect look.
• 39:44
  And, and I love how the Doctor kind of explains that he she
• 39:52
  kind of picked her out. You noticed her in the class
• 39:54
  because when she doesn't understand something, she
• 39:57
  smiles. And it's such a lovely thing.
• 40:00
  And it's also, I mean, putting, putting myself in the, in the,
• 40:03
  in the shoes of a young, a young viewer, it kind of gives the
• 40:06
  message that all you need for the doctor to notice you is to
• 40:09
  love to learn new things. And, you know, you don't need to
• 40:13
  be special in any other way. And it's just, it's, it's, it's
• 40:20
  a, you know. A soft reboot, if you like.
• 40:23
  So it's not a complicated script, but it just there are so
• 40:26
  many delightful moments like when when he goes to take back
• 40:30
  photos to take photos of her mom for Christmas and she opens
• 40:35
  them, she's crying. And I was, I watched this again
• 40:37
  yesterday because I thought I might champion that I was crying
• 40:40
  right along with her. And he doesn't even want credit
• 40:43
  for that, right? He, he, he doesn't even have the
• 40:46
  intention of letting her know he did this for her.
• 40:48
  He just wants her to have this beautiful present.
• 40:51
  And I think that's just gorgeous.
• 40:52
  That's just such, so thoughtful. You know, he's come a long way,
• 40:57
  right, in understanding what makes humans stick.
• 41:03
  And and then I love when so he's been there.
• 41:08
  Clearly he's resignated to the fact he's probably never going
• 41:11
  to travel again because he has to.
• 41:13
  We learn much later. He has to watch over that vault
• 41:15
  for 10,000 years. So I don't know how, how long,
• 41:18
  but when there's this mystery of this puzzle, he can, he runs, he
• 41:23
  can't run fast enough. And I love, I think this is one
• 41:27
  of the most hilarious parts for me when Bill asked him do you
• 41:31
  know any sci-fi and the look he gives.
• 41:34
  You the look. The look I was giving the TV in
• 41:36
  that moment, I was like, dude, he is sci-fi, what are we
• 41:40
  talking about? You know, you said about the
• 41:43
  running. Do you remember how Bill
• 41:45
  describes it? Yes, like a Penguin Is Azar's on
• 41:48
  fire? I mean, it's right.
• 41:51
  She's right. Isn't she good?
• 41:56
  And then the way they have to get into the TARDIS in a hurry
• 42:00
  and, and it's very nice thought that now the TARDIS is parked
• 42:03
  over that rug, which which she gave like this little detail of,
• 42:07
  huh, how did that happen? And then when they have to go in
• 42:10
  there and he leaves her and he goes and switches the lights on
• 42:15
  and he's, you know, changes into his Doctor's velvet.
• 42:19
  And he looks so excited. He's like, Oh my God.
• 42:23
  And then the theme, his theme song a a good man starts again.
• 42:27
  And at this point, you know, my heart is just lifted because I
• 42:31
  love this theme song and we hadn't heard it for a while at
• 42:34
  that point. And just hearing it just kind of
• 42:37
  sends me it. I just, it really lifts me.
• 42:40
  I I think it's absolutely beautiful.
• 42:44
  And then you have this chase, which is basically takes build
• 42:47
  from wonder to wonder or, or from terror to terror, depending
• 42:50
  on the way you look at it. We get introduced to the
• 42:52
  dialects in this really brief but very kind of, I guess,
• 42:57
  economical scene. The Movellens make an
• 42:59
  appearance. You know, I'll watch this.
• 43:01
  I had, I basically, I had never watched any Doctor Who earlier
• 43:06
  than Capaldi the first time I watched the pilot.
• 43:08
  And you know, none of this phased me.
• 43:10
  I, it was all amazing because I was really in that phase.
• 43:13
  But when I came back to it after watching everything, oh man,
• 43:17
  that's when I got really excited because like, Oh my, he gave
• 43:20
  Naruto the 4th Doctor's screwdriver and the, Oh my God,
• 43:24
  it's the Movellens again. And Jesus, they do look good,
• 43:26
  very stylish. Why did they not come back?
• 43:29
  You know, all that stuff. It's just, it's just a series of
• 43:34
  delightful scenes that are not too taxing, but still lovely.
• 43:38
  And the relationship between them two in the from the start
• 43:41
  is just, I think, very lovely. And just there's also this point
• 43:48
  at the end when he's he's decided not to erase Bill's
• 43:52
  memory and she goes out and he, you know, he kind of looks at
• 43:58
  River. He says shut up.
• 43:59
  He looks at Susan, says you shut up too.
• 44:02
  And and it's lovely because he's talking to the photos and, you
• 44:05
  know, he's done this before. You know, he talks to them
• 44:08
  because he misses them. And it's just so you know.
• 44:11
  I'll do it. Don't you do it.
• 44:12
  I'll do it if I go. Stop looking at me, all right?
• 44:17
  And then we're we're off, you know, he's like, what the hell,
• 44:20
  Let's just go, let's just go have an adventure.
• 44:22
  And it's so exciting and it's so lovely and it's so nice after
• 44:27
  all the really difficult stuff he's gone through.
• 44:33
  You know, it's been very dark, it's been very painful.
• 44:36
  And that's the reason why he's so warm and fluffy now and
• 44:38
  frankly a bit tired. He looks quite worn out at this
• 44:41
  point. And but I think why I said, you
• 44:45
  know, these three, the three runs were all 1 arc is because
• 44:48
  in order to get to this point where he is so sweet and fluffy,
• 44:52
  he had to suffer and he had to love and to lose.
• 44:55
  And that's where that's what, you know, smoothened out all the
• 44:58
  edges. So he's earned this really nice,
• 45:02
  lovely relationship with a with a student where he can be
• 45:05
  grandfatherly and he's not so alien anymore.
• 45:08
  So, yeah. So I think it's just a lovely
• 45:10
  episode, very beautifully crafted and very rewarding.
• 45:14
  I don't know if you listened to the episode where we covered
• 45:16
  that, but we all extolled the virtues.
• 45:19
  It was a rare, unanimous. Everybody loves this one.
• 45:22
  When the pilot was being talked about.
• 45:24
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm glad we all enjoyed it.
• 45:27
  I haven't, I haven't listened to any of the strictly for the 12
• 45:30
  blocker because I didn't want to have my heart broken.
• 45:34
  You should listen to the series 8 ones, you know, very nice
• 45:36
  about those. I think Mark McManus is on one
• 45:39
  of those. He's very good, you know.
• 45:41
  I think on two of them actually. He was, yeah, talking of Mark
• 45:45
  McManus. Mark, what story are you
• 45:48
  choosing? Yeah, I'm going to say flatline,
• 45:51
  which I think extraordinary that that's a rudder rope, yeah.
• 45:57
  Great. It's, I think it's absolutely
• 45:59
  brilliant. I think the inventiveness of it,
• 46:02
  the the 2D aliens and the way that that gets represented on
• 46:05
  screen is brilliant. It's the, you know, they've,
• 46:09
  they've now learned. I think it's obviously Matt
• 46:11
  Smith here how to do a Doctor Light episode is you just film
• 46:14
  the Doctor on the TARDIS set. So it doesn't feel like a a
• 46:16
  Doctor light episode anymore. And they can be in it just as
• 46:19
  much. And there the humour, the, the,
• 46:24
  the, you know, the when he first climbs out of the sort of half
• 46:27
  size TARDIS and, and you know how you say Peter Capaldi
• 46:30
  running, I think in the thick of it, Amanda Nucci said, you know,
• 46:33
  if we wanted to get like a cheap laugh would just get pizza
• 46:36
  Capaldi to sort of run down a corridor, run somewhere.
• 46:39
  It is funny, but he's generally, there's a lot of physical humor
• 46:42
  like that, like him just climbing in and out of the half
• 46:44
  size TARDIS is really funny. And then when it's, you know,
• 46:48
  it's the size of one of our character options Tardises,
• 46:53
  which is just brilliant because when Clive was carrying it
• 46:57
  around, it looks like it looks like a character options sort of
• 47:00
  TARDIS, doesn't it? And I remember there was a spate
• 47:02
  of kind of really inventive stuff on Twitter at the time of
• 47:04
  people kind of doing the the thing with the hand coming out.
• 47:08
  Mark Papi, isn't that just genius?
• 47:11
  Absolutely brilliant. How am I going to get off this
• 47:13
  track? I don't think it's, it's such a
• 47:20
  crucial one in terms of the Doctor and Clara's relationship
• 47:23
  because throughout the series they've they've not kind of seen
• 47:26
  eye to eye. They've not been able to see
• 47:27
  others point of view, each other's point of view.
• 47:30
  And then they're forced to hear. So literally the Doctor can only
• 47:34
  see what Clara sees because she puts the earpiece in which
• 47:38
  hijacks her optic nerve or whatever, so that on the TARDIS
• 47:41
  scanner, he can only see things through her eyes and she has to
• 47:45
  kind of walk in his shoes and see what it's like as the
• 47:47
  Doctor. So it's, it's a really, really
• 47:51
  interesting thing from the point of view of, of their
• 47:53
  relationship, because Amy was saying about the 12th Doctor,
• 47:56
  he's, he's not as aware, you know, kind of how to act
• 48:00
  socially and that kind of thing. And he, you can barely tell one
• 48:03
  human apart from another and that kind of thing.
• 48:05
  But when he's forced to sit through Clara's eyes, he's
• 48:07
  really observant and, and he starts to spot the clues and
• 48:10
  that kind of thing. And he, he seems to understand a
• 48:12
  bit more. And then Clara starts to
• 48:14
  realise, you know, what it takes to be the Doctor.
• 48:18
  And there's some really interesting stuff there, what
• 48:20
  she's figuring out. And the Doctor's given her
• 48:22
  advice about when they're running, when she's with the,
• 48:26
  the group of people who are doing the, I was going to say
• 48:29
  work experience there. What do you call it?
• 48:32
  Community service? Yeah, that's it.
• 48:34
  Yeah. And the doctors is a crucial
• 48:37
  point. You know, they need a leader
• 48:38
  right now. Make sure it's you.
• 48:40
  And you can kind of see how how the doctor operates and Clive
• 48:43
  sort of steps into that, that space.
• 48:46
  And even like the way that Clive was evolved in this series, I
• 48:49
  think in the the moment you're expressed, she was really
• 48:52
  uncomfortable lying to Maisie was now she's kind of got much
• 48:57
  more comfortable with that. And there's a series goes on
• 48:59
  that becomes a big part of her arc and everything.
• 49:02
  So she's now lying to Danny sort of, you know, quite comfortably
• 49:06
  when they're doing the bit with the the egg chair thing swinging
• 49:09
  out. She said, no, no, it's fine.
• 49:11
  Yeah, I'm just. Just eyes a fucking chair like
• 49:13
  that but swings out the window like that.
• 49:16
  God. Sex.
• 49:19
  And there's that line about, you know, so you make an excellent
• 49:21
  doctor, but but goodness has nothing to do with it.
• 49:24
  So it's it's part of the, you know, am IA Goodman thing as
• 49:27
  well. And I think the way it feeds
• 49:29
  into that story is the Doctor kind of realizing that, you
• 49:33
  know, he's forced into that role.
• 49:34
  He's the man that fights the monsters.
• 49:36
  And it's just that ending is just just glorious.
• 49:38
  That kind of delayed gratification, I think of the
• 49:40
  doctor arriving and saying that saving the day.
• 49:42
  It works brilliant. Like in A Christmas Invasion or
• 49:45
  in Family of Blood where the Doctor is he's different or
• 49:49
  unavailable or post regenerative, whatever.
• 49:51
  And then when he say he comes full on as the Doctor.
• 49:54
  So when he bursts out the TARDIS and names them the boneless and
• 49:57
  all that, it's just it's it's one of my favorite towards
• 50:01
  Doctor moments. It's just kind of a punch the
• 50:03
  air moment of him just being purely pure Doctorly.
• 50:08
  I think because he's been sort of a bit fallible in this
• 50:12
  series. He's been he's been wrong about
• 50:15
  things. Obviously, you know, talk about
• 50:16
  Robert show. It's a it's a fun episode of the
• 50:18
  Doctor Who's completely wrong throughout that he thinks it's a
• 50:21
  fun fair or a trap or whatever, you know, that that that there
• 50:24
  must be androids or something. Arguably he's wrong in listen.
• 50:29
  So it's yeah, it's it's it feels like a real kind of coming
• 50:34
  together of of his character at that point.
• 50:36
  And as I say, so important in in their relationship.
• 50:40
  So yeah, I think it's it's key episode.
• 50:42
  It's just fantastically entertaining.
• 50:43
  It's got, it's got everything. Homeless are so creepy, aren't
• 50:48
  they? The special effects of them all
• 50:50
  sort of rippling and juddering, and they have like, proper
• 50:53
  zombies in Doctor Who. And you talk about physical
• 50:57
  comedy. That bit where it comes into the
• 50:59
  TARDIS and goes, it's like, yeah, he can do physical comedy.
• 51:07
  All right. Right, so I'm going to go next
• 51:10
  because I want to put you in a bit of a bind if that's all
• 51:12
  right, because I never thought I wouldn't choose Flatline from
• 51:16
  this list because Flatline single handedly basically got me
• 51:20
  back into Doctor Who after really struggling with 7 and the
• 51:24
  first half of eight on transmission.
• 51:27
  Flatline came along and just revolutionized.
• 51:29
  It was just so full of new ideas and it for me, it revolutionised
• 51:33
  Clara as well because I, I've just thought she was so good as,
• 51:37
  as the Doctor in that story. She was so great.
• 51:42
  But Fraser, you are responsible for me choosing.
• 51:48
  I can't believe I'm going to say this robot of Sherwood funny.
• 51:52
  Do you know I feel another love coming on?
• 51:56
  God, I cannot remain on this herself.
• 51:59
  Execute me. No, I didn't execute the old
• 52:01
  fool. Hang on, execute him.
• 52:04
  Sorry, execute him. Execute him.
• 52:06
  I'd like to see if his head keeps laughing when you chop it
• 52:08
  up. Robin Hood, always.
• 52:10
  Laughs in the face of death. Just.
• 52:11
  Rolling around the floor or laughing.
• 52:13
  I would pay good money to see that God, God, God, God.
• 52:27
  Do we review understand in any way at all that there isn't
• 52:33
  actually a God out there? Because I really didn't like
• 52:39
  that episode. And then we did a commentary
• 52:41
  together. I watched it beforehand.
• 52:43
  I loved watching it for the second time.
• 52:45
  And then I watched it with you and I saw it through your eyes.
• 52:49
  And God, there's just so much here to enjoy.
• 52:54
  I mean, you want to talk about comedy?
• 52:55
  The bit that makes me how the most is when the Doctor and
• 52:58
  Robin are going at each other and Clara just goes, will you 2
• 53:01
  both just shut up? How?
• 53:06
  But do you know what, right, You're going to think I'm crazy,
• 53:08
  but I really like that once a year there is a light, beautiful
• 53:15
  looking episode because it's a really dark era.
• 53:19
  This visually it's dark, emotionally, it's quite dark.
• 53:24
  And they just go for a jolly adventure that there's this.
• 53:28
  I, I adore the Jeremy Matheson one from series 2, the girl who
• 53:32
  died. That's really fun that episode
• 53:34
  as well. And in the last season, it's
• 53:37
  Empress of Mars for me, which is just the ultimate trad Doctor
• 53:40
  Who jolly adventure with Victorian soldiers on the moon.
• 53:44
  But like, there's a shot, it sort of sums it up.
• 53:47
  There's a shot in Episode 1 where the camera sort of swoops
• 53:50
  down through the forest, across the river to the Doctor and
• 53:55
  Robin with their weapons ready to go.
• 53:58
  And it's just stunningly beautiful.
• 54:01
  It's a great time. I had a great time realising it
• 54:05
  was a great time because of you. And so yeah, I, I want it that
• 54:10
  to be in the winners. I want it to be there.
• 54:13
  So, Fraser, you either have to choose Robot of Sherwood and
• 54:18
  have this as a majority vote, or you choose something else and
• 54:23
  Robot sure was going for her anyway because it's a majority
• 54:26
  vote. Or you choose Flatline or the
• 54:30
  pilot and then it's head to head and the person who didn't choose
• 54:34
  one of those episodes will have to make the decision for us.
• 54:38
  What would you like to do, Fraser?
• 54:40
  Well, I did say going into this off mic, I said there was two
• 54:44
  runners up. I was really torn between it.
• 54:48
  Can't be flat line a robot or show it, is it?
• 54:50
  It's certainly not flat line, flat line.
• 54:54
  I I like, I like, but you know, I watched it back, you know,
• 54:58
  this week and I just thought, you know what there is
• 55:02
  everything that's been said about it is is wonderful.
• 55:04
  I think the really interesting thing this in Mummy and your
• 55:07
  Express, I think are really interested in what they are
• 55:10
  trying to do is not change the character of the Doctor to make
• 55:14
  him a little bit more likable for us.
• 55:16
  You know, they're trying to change the audience and Clara,
• 55:20
  and it's like trying to pivot the world around the Doctor to
• 55:23
  say, well, actually, we're not changing the Doctor.
• 55:25
  You need to change your view of the Doctor.
• 55:27
  You need to see what the Doctor is doing and why he's doing it
• 55:30
  and how Key operates and why, you know, you might be a bit
• 55:34
  more caustic. And that's really interesting.
• 55:36
  From that respect. I think, you know, the comedy
• 55:38
  there absolutely think that the two disc gag was, was was my
• 55:43
  favorite book. You know, it was just, it was a
• 55:45
  little bit too bleak for us, to be honest.
• 55:46
  It was a little bit too this. Yeah, it was just a little bit
• 55:50
  too bleak. It was kind of just like
• 55:51
  unpleasant people underground being unpleasant.
• 55:54
  And I think, you know, it really does get summed up at the end,
• 55:57
  you know, like you were excellent, but goodness had
• 55:59
  nothing to do with it. So I'm not going to go for flat
• 56:01
  9. The two you know, the other one
• 56:04
  of the ones. We're not allowed to go for all
• 56:06
  of them. Well, you just bloody thing.
• 56:07
  One place. We want to go to bed tonight.
• 56:10
  Don't interrupting us. Then I was about to.
• 56:13
  The two that I was really struggling with is Robot of
• 56:16
  Sherwood and Wilderness and Tyne and the Doctor Force.
• 56:18
  Which I. Which I I genuinely adore for
• 56:21
  two completely different reasons.
• 56:23
  Obviously, Roberta Sherwood, you know, you guys have said a lot
• 56:25
  about it. I can't really add a great deal
• 56:27
  more than that other than just quote a few more lines.
• 56:30
  For example, when Clara comes out the TARDIS in that red dress
• 56:32
  and Robin Hood stands and goes, is there more of them in there?
• 56:36
  And. Doesn't she a beautiful embrace
• 56:39
  as well? You know, the the whole, you
• 56:44
  know, the, the, the scene in the the prison cell is just wondrous
• 56:47
  of start to finish. I just love, you know, the
• 56:49
  bickering and he soiled himself. I said he soiled himself and
• 56:55
  he's just the the way they're sorting.
• 56:57
  And then Clara just sitting there going.
• 56:59
  What's your plan then? Well, thank you for that.
• 57:00
  Last of the Time Lords, Prince of Thieves.
• 57:02
  It's over the. It's it's sparkles and like you
• 57:05
  say, it's, it's light. It's you know, it's it's there's
• 57:08
  this in this in the forest of the night where they've actually
• 57:11
  turned the lights up and put the split the sunshine and on the
• 57:14
  series, which I think is so refreshing.
• 57:15
  Get this gets gets it. He everyone else is writing
• 57:19
  Capaldi as Malcolm Tucker Kapal get this is writing them as
• 57:23
  Victor Meldrew. So he's getting that you can be
• 57:27
  grumpy and you can, you know, be miserable, but you can be funny
• 57:30
  with it. So that's why I really love
• 57:32
  robot Sherwood and that's why I'm happy that it's going to go
• 57:35
  through in the final because I am going to pick world enough in
• 57:37
  time. The Doctor falls just because I
• 57:39
  can at this point and still have I can have my cake and eat it.
• 57:43
  World enough in time, I think is just a superb bit of drama from
• 57:46
  start to finish. You know, it's just this, this
• 57:52
  high concept idea to start with of the spaceship, which is so
• 57:55
  long that it's so close to a black hole that the time is
• 57:58
  running slowly at one end and the other, which you know, the
• 58:00
  maths of it is never going to work.
• 58:01
  But the concept is sound and I really enjoy that.
• 58:04
  And you know what, this, this potholes left, right and centre
• 58:07
  when you, when you start to look at it, But you know, you, you
• 58:11
  start off with Missy coming out and just being so meta and
• 58:14
  Moffaty and everything. And then on a dime, it turns and
• 58:18
  goes to shit when Bill gets shot.
• 58:20
  You know, the Doctor, there's this danger.
• 58:24
  The Doctor comes out and does his big monologue speech, which
• 58:26
  is supposed to say that and it doesn't.
• 58:29
  And I mean, but when you, when you talk about this in the in
• 58:32
  the strictly episode, you're like, why, why we have got this
• 58:35
  hole in our chest and why we look pointing the camera through
• 58:37
  it. It's.
• 58:37
  I hate it. It's the Blake's.
• 58:39
  It's the Blake's seven thing. I'm watching Blake.
• 58:43
  Seven, I'm watching Doctor Who. Spoilers for anyone that's and
• 58:47
  not watch the end of Blake 7 Mark, you can listen to this now
• 58:49
  that I know that you have. But at the end of Blake 7, Blake
• 58:53
  gets shot and Gareth Thomas the the actor wanted to make it
• 58:58
  very, very clear he was not going to come back for series E.
• 59:02
  So he got the special effects guys to put double the amount of
• 59:06
  fake blood in the pack on his chest and it's an absolute gore
• 59:10
  explosion to make it clear that this is what's happening.
• 59:13
  Quite. Funny, actually, isn't it?
• 59:16
  Yeah. I don't think there's as much
• 59:17
  blood inside somebody that comes out of him in that episode.
• 59:21
  So, you know, this is what we're doing here.
• 59:23
  We are making 100% clear that Bill is not walking away from
• 59:26
  this. She is, you know, we, we're
• 59:28
  sitting there thinking, well, this is Moffat.
• 59:30
  Moffat never kills anyone. She's obviously going to get out
• 59:32
  of it. And he's making 100% clear.
• 59:35
  And the story just kind of evolves around there.
• 59:37
  You know, she gets brought back and then, you know, we'll have
• 59:40
  this, this whole idea of being in the bottom of the ship for
• 59:44
  the 2 decades while the Doctor is, you know, explaining enough
• 59:49
  of what's going on at the top to be able to come down.
• 59:52
  It's it's death by exposition really.
• 59:54
  Because the beautiful thing is, is that she was never going to
• 59:58
  walk away from that because the Master was sitting there waiting
• 1:00:00
  for the Doctor to come back. The Master says the Doctor, if
• 1:00:03
  you hadn't stopped and explained so much, if you already had two
• 1:00:05
  hours sooner, you would have saved her.
• 1:00:07
  But that was never going to be the case.
• 1:00:09
  The Master was always going to be two hours ahead of them.
• 1:00:11
  And it's just a beautiful. Evil twist from John Sims
• 1:00:15
  Master, I was totally fooled by this on transmission.
• 1:00:19
  I wish I'd been fooled about the Mondussen Cybermen.
• 1:00:22
  I wish I had known they were coming because that would have
• 1:00:24
  been a beautiful twist of just piercing that together.
• 1:00:28
  You know, those silhouettes in the hands and the voices without
• 1:00:32
  knowing. And I was totally fooled by John
• 1:00:36
  SIM in his in his make up and that was just a cleed forgot the
• 1:00:40
  master was supposed to be in and off it comes.
• 1:00:42
  And then you're going to Part 2 when you've got 2 the 2 masters.
• 1:00:45
  You've got Missy and John SIM squaring off against each other.
• 1:00:48
  And I think it does, you know, run out a little bit of steam in
• 1:00:52
  in in the doctor falls. But more than anything in one
• 1:00:55
  while see to pick this with this episode is because by the end
• 1:00:59
  you have got that perfect distillation of this 12th
• 1:01:04
  doctor. In fact, all the doctors, you
• 1:01:05
  know, where I fight and where I stand is, you know, where I
• 1:01:10
  fight is where I fall stand, and where I stand is where I fall.
• 1:01:12
  And was it without hope, without witness, without reward?
• 1:01:17
  You know, it's just such a perfect, perfect summation of of
• 1:01:22
  who that guy is. And that arc, that journey from
• 1:01:27
  the start, from deep breath, from shouting at pudding brains
• 1:01:29
  to this is me, this is who I am. I think it's just an outstanding
• 1:01:34
  bit of drama. And we'll go on and we'll talk
• 1:01:36
  about Peter Capaldi himself shortly.
• 1:01:37
  But you know, the fact that Capaldi pulled, you know, called
• 1:01:42
  the shots on that scene, you know, he was the one seeing no,
• 1:01:45
  actually, you 2 walk away from us.
• 1:01:47
  I don't turn around. I will run in front of you to
• 1:01:51
  stop you because you aren't going to stop for me.
• 1:01:53
  I have to go and physically stop you.
• 1:01:55
  The fact that, you know, with everything that's going on at
• 1:01:57
  the time behind the scenes with him, that he is still putting
• 1:02:01
  that much effort into that scene and it really shows.
• 1:02:05
  So wild enough in time the Doctor falls.
• 1:02:08
  It's it's not nearly as fun and, you know, entertaining as Robert
• 1:02:13
  Sherwood, which like you say, comes at exactly the right time
• 1:02:15
  when you need a bit of levity into this.
• 1:02:17
  But it is probably at the end of a series which always felt a
• 1:02:20
  little bit like Moffett was running out of steam.
• 1:02:23
  That is just the big rows yourself up off the mat, do the
• 1:02:27
  triple suplex, do the finishing move finale that Peter Capaldi
• 1:02:32
  and the 12th Doctor deserved. That would have been my second
• 1:02:36
  choice as well. I don't understand why you can't
• 1:02:38
  just exemplify those strengths rather than banging on about it
• 1:02:42
  for 5 minutes. We didn't used to do that in the
• 1:02:45
  classic series. He just was a good man and was
• 1:02:48
  heroic and did all of it. You didn't have to tell
• 1:02:50
  everybody all the time. We'll get there.
• 1:02:51
  We're going to talk about Capaldi.
• 1:02:52
  We'll get there. OK, well guys.
• 1:02:56
  Well, Robot of Sherwood was quite surprisingly kicks into
• 1:03:00
  our list of winners. This is strictly after all.
• 1:03:03
  Just to clarify if if that Joe hadn't thought I would have
• 1:03:06
  voted for Robot to show what to get through as well.
• 1:03:07
  So. I did wonder, I did wonder, I
• 1:03:10
  mean, Jesus, that this right sleeping them all is going to
• 1:03:12
  win this. But shall we go to our first
• 1:03:16
  round of listeners comments now? But remember, you can Heckle and
• 1:03:20
  cajole the ham fam if you wish, although there's a plenty of
• 1:03:24
  positivity here as well. So this first one is from
• 1:03:27
  Strangers in Space. It's the best era of Doctor Who.
• 1:03:31
  It tells a story about a character, his flaws, his
• 1:03:34
  strength, his alienness, his relationships, his ambitions,
• 1:03:37
  his weaknesses, and makes the other characters around him just
• 1:03:40
  as 3 dimensional. Other people might prefer the
• 1:03:43
  Doctor to be less interesting, just an archetype who wanders
• 1:03:46
  into other people's stories. But it's OK to make the lead
• 1:03:49
  character, the eponymous character after all, the subject
• 1:03:53
  of the series rather than its facilitator every now and again.
• 1:03:56
  It's done beautifully here. Bravo Jr., Southall.
• 1:04:02
  And the next comment is from the wonderful Mark Cockrum and it
• 1:04:07
  and he says I adore Peter Capaldi.
• 1:04:10
  He was a fantastic Doctor, possibly the finest actor to
• 1:04:13
  take on the role. He was also a great ambassador
• 1:04:16
  for the show during his tenure. Turning up at the Doctor
• 1:04:19
  experience on a day off in costume and visiting kids at a
• 1:04:23
  Hospice are just a couple of examples.
• 1:04:26
  A real class act. Imagine being like those kids in
• 1:04:29
  the Doctor Who experienced that day I made Jesus Christ.
• 1:04:32
  You'd explode, wouldn't you? Yeah, the next comment is from
• 1:04:37
  Daniel Knight. He says Peter Capaldi was born
• 1:04:39
  to play the part, but like Colin, his Doctor is written as
• 1:04:42
  unlikeable. It's not until Mummy that I felt
• 1:04:45
  I actually liked his character. Saddled with him, saddled with
• 1:04:48
  some high concept but dreadful stories, His ear is not one I
• 1:04:52
  like. And yet when I watch any of his
• 1:04:53
  episodes, I see him shine. Heaven sent his great drama, but
• 1:04:57
  I struggle to like it as an episode of Doctor Who.
• 1:05:00
  Husbands to Oxygen is his best run of episodes.
• 1:05:03
  His You'll be Safe Here speech in the pilot is wonderful.
• 1:05:08
  His hello sweetie moment is just smiles at River is adorable as
• 1:05:11
  he just smiles at River is adorable.
• 1:05:13
  I wish we'd had more of him and River.
• 1:05:16
  So not to like about him up until Mummy on Neuron Express.
• 1:05:19
  Don't you love that line? You know you want to have a chat
• 1:05:21
  with him. He's that top layer over there.
• 1:05:23
  Wonderful. That was when my wife stopped.
• 1:05:26
  Watching, I know, yeah, yeah. So not everybody is perhaps as
• 1:05:31
  keen on this. No, and I think.
• 1:05:32
  It's a big wit. It's really interesting because
• 1:05:34
  I think Mummy is just as harsh is is any any episode he's in.
• 1:05:40
  I think he's just as there's no real difference in that one.
• 1:05:44
  I am and I would say the best run he has is from the caretaker
• 1:05:48
  up into including in the Forest of the Night.
• 1:05:51
  What? I would say deep breath to twice
• 1:05:55
  upon a time. I am with.
• 1:05:57
  Mine I am. With mine, kill twice upon a
• 1:06:01
  time. Are you mad?
• 1:06:03
  Kill the moon until last Christmas.
• 1:06:06
  I think we're unfortunately in the forests of the night in
• 1:06:09
  there as well. All those kiddie winks.
• 1:06:13
  Someone please think of the children.
• 1:06:16
  Glenn Fitzgerald then absolutely loves Peter Capaldi.
• 1:06:19
  He is the Doctor of New Who for me.
• 1:06:22
  He brings back the aliens and mystery of the Doctor.
• 1:06:25
  He can be funny one second and deadly serious and dark the
• 1:06:27
  next. A key ingredient for the
• 1:06:29
  character. You can see Capaldi's passion
• 1:06:32
  for Doctor Who on and off the screen.
• 1:06:34
  Splendid. Oh, Arthur says I was never a
• 1:06:37
  fan of the Am IA Goodman stuff. It's so weird that someone with
• 1:06:41
  Moffett's fan credentials would think that copying the 6th
• 1:06:44
  Doctor's arc would be a good idea.
• 1:06:46
  Paul Arthur, the 6th Doctor had a fabulous arc, all right, so I
• 1:06:49
  could absolutely see why he did that.
• 1:06:51
  Add to that the dark and decided the grim tone of many of the
• 1:06:55
  stories, and you get a Doctor I don't want to revisit much.
• 1:06:59
  Well, you're missing a great actor there, Paul, I'm afraid.
• 1:07:01
  Revisit a Paul Arthur appears. Simon Threadgold says utterly
• 1:07:08
  brilliant. Each series saw him develop the
• 1:07:10
  character with a clear through line from Roe exposed nerve to
• 1:07:14
  healed and fully realised best version of himself.
• 1:07:18
  The most layered, thoughtful and compelling Dr. of all, and
• 1:07:21
  anyone who says otherwise is perfectly entitled to their
• 1:07:24
  opinion. Did you hear that, Poe Artha?
• 1:07:29
  All right. Simon's absolutely right, and
• 1:07:31
  he's brilliant on Twitter as well.
• 1:07:33
  He's really funny. Great guy.
• 1:07:37
  And we've got a comment from another great guy who I met at
• 1:07:39
  the weekend, David Gillespie Pratt.
• 1:07:42
  He says this is a tough one. Capaldi is one of the best
• 1:07:46
  actors to ever appear in the series.
• 1:07:49
  But Lombard with the Series 8 asshole.
• 1:07:52
  The Series 9 midlife crisis interpretations character
• 1:07:56
  development perhaps, but it. Drove a lot of people away.
• 1:08:03
  He didn't drive Jabana away, all right?
• 1:08:05
  It to be it did drive my family away.
• 1:08:08
  This is where they bailed out on me and it was just me watching.
• 1:08:10
  But yeah, yeah. But it drove a lot of people
• 1:08:13
  away. Had we had a season 10 Capaldi
• 1:08:17
  from the start, it might have been different.
• 1:08:19
  Words would have been boring. Yeah, he always just.
• 1:08:22
  Would have been like everybody else.
• 1:08:24
  Wouldn't it? Exactly.
• 1:08:25
  He's Lombard with nothing in in series name.
• 1:08:28
  The Doctor on a tank playing the guitar is hilarious.
• 1:08:31
  Oh. Boy, I mean, I think he should
• 1:08:34
  have started off, you know, as that acerbic kind of evil
• 1:08:37
  bastard and just got worse throughout the run.
• 1:08:39
  You know, by the end he's got around murdering entire planets.
• 1:08:43
  Oh, fabulous. Hey, wait, sorry.
• 1:08:46
  Paul. Quinn says the best.
• 1:08:47
  You better watch out, Mark McManus.
• 1:08:49
  All right, reading this out. Good luck.
• 1:08:54
  The best actor to play the role since Davison or Trouten and
• 1:08:57
  absolute love for the show shining through some of the
• 1:09:00
  greatest performances in the show's history.
• 1:09:03
  All wrecked by a showrunner repeating the mistakes of
• 1:09:06
  seasons 21 to 23. With hindsight, Whittaker and
• 1:09:10
  Chivnut should have taken over in season 8.
• 1:09:13
  What was Moffat doing? Cast a version of himself making
• 1:09:16
  him an unlikeable twat and then spent three years plus a near
• 1:09:20
  near long gap. Near year long gap.
• 1:09:23
  This was me trying to work out the Doctor's character and
• 1:09:26
  surprise surprise, it ended up with the Doctor still urging
• 1:09:29
  people to be kind. No wonder the audience cleared
• 1:09:32
  off. Oh dear.
• 1:09:33
  I think we can disregard that. 10.
• 1:09:35
  Yeah, he's wrong. He's so wrong, to be fair.
• 1:09:37
  It's worth, it's worth mentioning that he stood up in
• 1:09:39
  front of a room full of people to give the talk on how there
• 1:09:44
  was incest in ghost like novelisation at the Target book
• 1:09:48
  there, right? So he does come things at a sort
• 1:09:49
  of niche angle. The most of the recording and
• 1:09:53
  you'll never look at a cigar. The most shocking element of
• 1:09:57
  that is there's only one swear word in it.
• 1:09:59
  To be honest, I was expecting more.
• 1:10:02
  Well Dave Rennie says season 8 us a bastard season 9 bit of a
• 1:10:08
  bastard Season 10 you're cool cuddly grumpy uncle a superb
• 1:10:13
  actor but take his prior to season 10 was too harsh for me.
• 1:10:17
  What is wrong with these people you Lily Liver?
• 1:10:19
  Doctor Who fans as Clara was still around to make it through
• 1:10:23
  a few tough years for me, despite some gems in the
• 1:10:25
  stories, not so keen any. There was gems in there.
• 1:10:31
  Lucy McCall says, having dropped out of watching Doctor Who
• 1:10:35
  towards the end of Matt Matt Smith's tenure.
• 1:10:37
  I missed this one. Apart from Heaven Sent, despite
• 1:10:40
  my admiration for Capaldi as an actor, nothing I have heard
• 1:10:44
  about the era. It makes me want to go back and
• 1:10:46
  watch it. It may be a question of age.
• 1:10:48
  Teenage me might have found the error bold and clever.
• 1:10:51
  Older and more experienced me finds the very idea of a lot of
• 1:10:54
  it repulsive. Yeah.
• 1:10:56
  I Love Lucy, but. I Love Lucy, but that makes me a
• 1:10:59
  little sad because as we know, the Doctor Who fandom is often
• 1:11:02
  completely wrong about everything so.
• 1:11:05
  Don't listen to us, Lucy. Go make your own opinion, mind.
• 1:11:08
  Yeah, I also. Respect her a great deal that if
• 1:11:11
  she doesn't think she's going to enjoy something, she doesn't
• 1:11:14
  watch the lot of whinge about it.
• 1:11:15
  She just says no, I'm not going to watch that.
• 1:11:17
  Very. True.
• 1:11:18
  Very true. Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  She is missing some wonderful stuff though.
• 1:11:21
  She is, and there's some stuff in there she'd love as well.
• 1:11:24
  I think she'd love Mummy. She loves a good horror movie.
• 1:11:27
  Oh yes, I think so. So the next comments from Ian
• 1:11:32
  Banks and he says he's the best actor to have portrayed the
• 1:11:36
  Doctor ever. If you watch carefully, you see
• 1:11:39
  that he knew how to approach the character when the writers
• 1:11:42
  didn't. And he is the reason why I
• 1:11:45
  stayed a fan of the show when I was in danger of becoming a
• 1:11:48
  casual viewer of the 21st century iteration of the show.
• 1:11:57
  Bebo Pete says RTD and Moffitt bent Doctor Who into a really
• 1:12:00
  accessible shape for contemporary viewers.
• 1:12:03
  Especially when we got a couple of matinee idols in the lead.
• 1:12:06
  Casting Peter Capaldi was always going to be a challenge.
• 1:12:09
  That audience was always going to challenge the audience.
• 1:12:12
  But Moffat and his second lead offered them a very high
• 1:12:15
  percentage of quality material. One quality of that material is
• 1:12:19
  introspection. The question am IA Good man
• 1:12:21
  bookends the Capaldi era. Perhaps an audience doesn't want
• 1:12:25
  to see the Doctor in garage. They care when the character
• 1:12:28
  suffers external peril, but they never want to have to question
• 1:12:31
  who the Doctor is. I liked it.
• 1:12:35
  I'm so sorry, did I say your comment last time?
• 1:12:38
  Sorry, I was just wrong with it. Luke Sims Jenkins gets a few
• 1:12:45
  things wrong with his comments. He says they have many problems
• 1:12:47
  with series 8 and 9. The stories Mr. Pink fantastic
• 1:12:52
  as we know. The Doctor fucking Clara.
• 1:12:56
  Just to clarify, there is a space there, it's the Doctor,
• 1:12:59
  and then it's fucking Clara. It's not the Doctor fucking
• 1:13:01
  Clara. Thankfully sees there is a full
• 1:13:05
  stop there, yes. There's some grammar in there,
• 1:13:08
  yeah. Oh boy.
• 1:13:10
  Just to make that absolutely clear.
• 1:13:11
  Although maybe Matt Smith, I don't know actually.
• 1:13:15
  Tell us off Mike. And thankfully series 10 exists.
• 1:13:19
  Bill Potts is tremendous. And finally I fall in love with
• 1:13:23
  this doctor. Why couldn't we get 3 Series of
• 1:13:26
  this, The last three stories of series 10 being my faves.
• 1:13:31
  Yeah so interesting. He refused to watch series 10
• 1:13:34
  because he really didn't like series 9 and just assumed it was
• 1:13:38
  going to be more the same and then when he watched it was like
• 1:13:41
  one of his favourite seasons ever but he watched it like 8
• 1:13:45
  years later or something like that.
• 1:13:48
  Just just to clarify, obviously because you know, I said you've
• 1:13:50
  got a few things wrong there and he has got one thing very right
• 1:13:53
  and that is the the third or last story of season 10 is an
• 1:13:56
  absolute banger he does of light.
• 1:13:58
  Oh, David Kitchen says I agree with everything Luke says.
• 1:14:03
  Although I'm quite fond of a number of stories in series 8.
• 1:14:06
  But series 10 is my top 2 new Who seasons.
• 1:14:09
  Capaldi is great and gets better every year and Bill is easily
• 1:14:12
  the best Moffett era companion. Only if you forget about Nardo.
• 1:14:18
  So great. I do forget about Nardo quite
• 1:14:22
  frequently. Oh God, old Presser, you and I
• 1:14:27
  are not going to be friends, old Presser says.
• 1:14:33
  At least you're honest. I was so excited for Peter
• 1:14:36
  Capaldi becoming the Doctor, a great actor who knew about the
• 1:14:39
  character and what makes it great.
• 1:14:41
  We were going to be in for a new golden age.
• 1:14:44
  And then he was written as a complete count and started as
• 1:14:48
  the most unlikeable companion in the show's history.
• 1:14:50
  For two years, while they explored every aspect of misery
• 1:14:53
  possible, pushing the show to places it should never go.
• 1:14:59
  There was a brief respite from Husband of River songs.
• 1:15:02
  Why couldn't we have had that character two years earlier,
• 1:15:05
  helped by the introduction of Bill?
• 1:15:06
  But then it all went down the same nasty rabbit hole again.
• 1:15:09
  My main feeling is one of regret that we were denied something
• 1:15:12
  that could have been so amazing and fun.
• 1:15:14
  Instead, it remains my least favorite era of all Who?
• 1:15:18
  You said haven't we like? My brain shut down 5 minutes
• 1:15:20
  ago. It's a payoff for those two
• 1:15:24
  years, right? Is that you can finally chill
• 1:15:26
  out, you know? It's the peer off of me having
• 1:15:29
  to sit through all the River Song episodes and.
• 1:15:34
  Sorry for to be facetious, but you finally got rid of that.
• 1:15:36
  Bloody Clara was like, yes, right into the universe, let's
• 1:15:39
  go. Where's my wife?
• 1:15:42
  I'll behave. OK, the next comment is from PJ
• 1:15:47
  Gallery and he says or she says I don't know if a male.
• 1:15:54
  There's definitely a man, he's got a lovely profile picture of
• 1:15:56
  his pecs out. He says it's a set of episodes
• 1:16:02
  I've never revisited since broadcast.
• 1:16:04
  For that reason. It all became so joyless and
• 1:16:07
  bleak. The next era was joyless and
• 1:16:10
  worthy. Capaldi and Whittaker were
• 1:16:12
  excellent, but what could what could have shown was blunted by
• 1:16:16
  other people's production choices.
• 1:16:19
  He seems to be commenting on series 11 there, but you know,
• 1:16:25
  there's two whole eras he didn't like.
• 1:16:27
  Oh, PJ Gallery, I'm so sorry for you.
• 1:16:29
  That's that's a lot of that's nine seasons.
• 1:16:35
  So the brilliant Brendan Jones or the usually brilliant Brendan
• 1:16:37
  Jones says dramatically fascinating and brilliantly
• 1:16:40
  acted. But making the oldest Doctor
• 1:16:42
  also be a grumpy old man for so long is a predictable choice.
• 1:16:45
  It's so much more fun when he goes against that with fun,
• 1:16:48
  cheeky moments. And Capaldi Macchi's chemistry
• 1:16:51
  is up there with Baker, Slash, Slayden and Tennant and Tate.
• 1:16:54
  Oh. That's actually true.
• 1:16:56
  That last bit. Yeah.
• 1:16:59
  Oh yeah. Yeah, I've got Ian Clark then,
• 1:17:04
  who says it's never a good idea to make the Doctor unlikeable at
• 1:17:07
  the outset. It's even a worse idea to make
• 1:17:10
  the Doctor seem untrustworthy to his companion.
• 1:17:13
  Nope. But we're not talking about On
• 1:17:15
  an Earthly Child. We're talking about Peter
• 1:17:17
  Capaldi. Or John Pertwee in Series A, You
• 1:17:20
  know. Not even in service of a long
• 1:17:24
  term story arc. That said, Capaldi is always
• 1:17:27
  interested and he comes good in the end.
• 1:17:33
  Oh, sorry, it's me, isn't it? I.
• 1:17:35
  Just I just. Don't get it.
• 1:17:36
  I do not get all these comments about A and Clara in because the
• 1:17:40
  whole point is you're examining that relationship, right?
• 1:17:44
  And he doesn't quite understand how to function within it.
• 1:17:46
  And when the pay off is, you get that extraordinary scene at the
• 1:17:50
  end of Kill the Moon where she literally slaps him down and
• 1:17:53
  says go on, piss off, all right, I'm done with you.
• 1:17:58
  Oh God, it's amazing drama. What are you talking about?
• 1:18:02
  Sorry, who am I got to? Professor Stephen Hawkwind.
• 1:18:05
  Hawkwind. I actually really like the more
• 1:18:08
  callous, sarcastic take early on.
• 1:18:10
  I rather prefer the Doctor as a more patrician figure rather
• 1:18:13
  than the cool hipster bloke who Nicks your girlfriend.
• 1:18:16
  Yeah, me too. London Calling says the finest
• 1:18:20
  actor of the new Who Doctors with some terrific stories.
• 1:18:24
  Kill the Moon is as good as any classic Who classic, but like
• 1:18:27
  Matt Smith, much of his narrative gets drowned under the
• 1:18:30
  weight of Moffat's fussiness. Yet Capaldi is the one I return
• 1:18:33
  to and enjoy more and more every time.
• 1:18:37
  Like fine wine fussiness. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:18:42
  I don't really know what that that's about.
• 1:18:45
  To do. And then I've got Nathan Botany
• 1:18:52
  with with a really short punchy 1 here.
• 1:18:55
  He's the best one. That's very economic for him,
• 1:18:59
  you know. And then we said we go down as
• 1:19:04
  far as gazbo. Was that including?
• 1:19:06
  Including, yeah. So go Foley says it was Hanford
• 1:19:10
  Capaldi was a breath of fresh air after Smith, but sadly the
• 1:19:13
  inclusion of Clara and her shoehorned in life over the
• 1:19:17
  first two years just made the Doctor's character feel hollow.
• 1:19:20
  Series 10 Doctor Who is back and better but all too brief for me.
• 1:19:23
  It was a long and numb five years previous.
• 1:19:27
  I'm still hearing mixed reaction to the material, but nobody's
• 1:19:32
  got a bad word to say about Peter Capaldi.
• 1:19:35
  No, yes. Despite them, sure.
• 1:19:37
  And you know, and you'll be pleased to hear that the
• 1:19:40
  second-half of these comments are far more positive, some
• 1:19:44
  fabulously positive ones in there.
• 1:19:47
  Well, given that nobody's got a bad word to say about Peter
• 1:19:50
  Calde, shall we just do a quick round Robin and talk about him
• 1:19:55
  as an actor in the role and his characterisation of the Doctor?
• 1:19:59
  Let's sort of mush it together. And because he'll probably go on
• 1:20:04
  the longest, let's go to Fraser first.
• 1:20:09
  Yeah, I said we'll come back to this.
• 1:20:10
  I think the thing you get with Peter Capaldi is The Doctors 1.
• 1:20:13
  You get a fan, you know, so you get someone who's got a really
• 1:20:17
  good understanding of the character of the Doctor and
• 1:20:20
  knows what he wants to do with the role, knows how he wants to
• 1:20:23
  approach it. He's an older actor, so you get
• 1:20:29
  experience as well. You get, you know, a good couple
• 1:20:34
  of decades on his predecessors in terms of experience.
• 1:20:37
  So he's making different choices.
• 1:20:40
  He's making, you know, different deliveries of lines, which, you
• 1:20:45
  know, has been been grounded in in in that sort of experience.
• 1:20:51
  What do we realize? They get very early on or well,
• 1:20:54
  perhaps halfway through series 8, is they get someone who can
• 1:20:57
  monologue exceptionally well. So, you know, why, why does
• 1:21:02
  everything have to be a big massive speech for the 12th
• 1:21:04
  Doctor? It's because Peter Capaldi is so
• 1:21:07
  fucking good at doing them, to be honest with you.
• 1:21:10
  You kind of see it in sort of mummy on the open express.
• 1:21:13
  You see in, in flat line at the end of a, you kind of you can
• 1:21:17
  see this light bulb go off in Moffat's head going 02 things I
• 1:21:21
  need to do next year. I need to, one, make this guy a
• 1:21:23
  bit more chilled out and a bit more funny and a bit more, well,
• 1:21:28
  Evan's going to see a midlife crisis, but I'm just going to
• 1:21:30
  see a bit more disco. And two, I need to give him a
• 1:21:33
  lot more opportunities just to stand there and deliver some
• 1:21:36
  dialogue because he's, he's so good at doing that.
• 1:21:39
  He's, he really is something that's obviously come to light
• 1:21:44
  in, in the the two strictly for Tenney and Tenby that I've
• 1:21:47
  listened to is, is, is obviously what was going on with Peter
• 1:21:50
  Capaldi behind the scenes at the time.
• 1:21:52
  You know, the, the chemistry that he has with Pearl Mackie
• 1:21:55
  is, is not born from necessarily them having a good working
• 1:21:59
  relationship to start with. And obviously he's been trapped
• 1:22:02
  terribly badly by the BBC in terms of we don't want you here,
• 1:22:07
  but we don't want you to leave. So come back and do this last
• 1:22:11
  episode, this last series, even though we are technically
• 1:22:14
  sacking you, you. Can't tell.
• 1:22:17
  You can't tell because like I said, I think his his
• 1:22:19
  performance gets better over the three years.
• 1:22:23
  So by the time you get to the end of a three, by the time,
• 1:22:26
  like I say, you get to that scene in the doctor halls where
• 1:22:29
  he sent a Rachel, tell her they know actually, we're going to do
• 1:22:32
  it this way because those guys should just walk off.
• 1:22:35
  When I'm about to give my big speech and I'm shouting at them
• 1:22:38
  to turn around. They shouldn't do it.
• 1:22:39
  I should have to run around in front of them and physically
• 1:22:42
  stop them. You know that.
• 1:22:44
  To think this is a man whose dream job basically has turned
• 1:22:49
  sour and he's still doing that. The sheer professionalism of the
• 1:22:53
  guy. Oh, I think there might have
• 1:22:56
  been an element of. I'm going to show you how good I
• 1:22:58
  am, yeah. Yeah, quite possibly.
• 1:23:01
  But you know, it's kind of. Like me, You're going to like me
• 1:23:03
  by the end of this year. You know, I can't I can't say,
• 1:23:07
  you know, certain other actors nowadays behaving in that sort
• 1:23:11
  of way without wanting to name any.
• 1:23:16
  You know, I just think it's it's the measure of the man.
• 1:23:19
  There was a comic book earlier about them, you know, going to
• 1:23:22
  hospices and the Doctor Who experienced in costume and you
• 1:23:26
  know, every time you see him offsets with fans, you know,
• 1:23:29
  it's he's one of these people that you like I said, no one has
• 1:23:33
  a bad word to say about him. John Arnold said when he waited
• 1:23:38
  to see Peter Capaldi with his son Eddie.
• 1:23:41
  Oh my God, gorgeous. And he waited for ages because
• 1:23:44
  they were filming and he just really wanted Eddie to me,
• 1:23:49
  Peter. And they waited maybe like 3 or
• 1:23:51
  4 hours. And he was just there sort of at
• 1:23:54
  the edge of the set. And he said he's anyway, anyway
• 1:23:57
  we can. And the guy went over to Peter
• 1:23:59
  Capaldi and he went, how long have they been waiting?
• 1:24:02
  4 hours. So he just came, bounded over,
• 1:24:05
  He just scooped up Eddie and he just gave it.
• 1:24:08
  And they've got a beautiful photograph together.
• 1:24:11
  And like, it's Eddie. That's his most treasured
• 1:24:13
  memory, that Peter Capaldi was appalled.
• 1:24:16
  But they've been kept waiting for four bloody hours to talk to
• 1:24:19
  him, he said. If you'd have told me, I'd have
• 1:24:21
  come straight away. Never mind the filming.
• 1:24:24
  Like, oh wonderful. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,
• 1:24:28
  Gem. So look, you have him in the
• 1:24:30
  world. I think, you know, we'll only
• 1:24:31
  appreciate him more as time goes on.
• 1:24:35
  Dan. I think it speaks volumes that
• 1:24:38
  those, all of those comments, many of the people commented
• 1:24:43
  that he is probably the best actor to, to have taken on the,
• 1:24:48
  the role ever. And it's really hard to kind of
• 1:24:55
  disagree with that. And I, and I think it's sort of
• 1:24:59
  like, obviously his, as Fraser said, sort of like his era and,
• 1:25:06
  and he's probably renowned for those big speeches that, you
• 1:25:13
  know, really sort of quite bombastic with a lot of gravitas
• 1:25:17
  and all that sort of stuff. But I, I want to, I want to go
• 1:25:21
  the other way because, because I think after a while, I kind of,
• 1:25:25
  they kind of lost their impact for me because we were having
• 1:25:28
  them quite so much. I understand why we were having
• 1:25:31
  them because like Fraser says, he's so good at them.
• 1:25:34
  You're going to, you're going to get him playing to his
• 1:25:36
  strengths. But, but I think he's an actor
• 1:25:39
  that has got many strings to his bow.
• 1:25:42
  And, and I think it's sort of like it's, it's the little
• 1:25:46
  things that he does that really kind of come across for me much
• 1:25:51
  louder than those big speeches. You know, he, he's able to
• 1:25:56
  portray so much expression and emotion just by lifting an
• 1:26:02
  eyebrow or, you know, and, and those kind of like those little
• 1:26:07
  smaller moments where he, he kind of really takes it down.
• 1:26:13
  Just amazing. I I I was thinking it's it's in
• 1:26:19
  the diner at the end of of of well, it's Fredded all the way
• 1:26:23
  through heaven sent, isn't it, where he's lost his memory of of
• 1:26:27
  of Clara and he but he's relating the story and he's he's
• 1:26:32
  just strumming away on on his electric guitar.
• 1:26:38
  Clara's theme and, and, and it's just, there's just so much in
• 1:26:42
  that there's, there's none of this, you know, lots of
• 1:26:45
  bombastic speeches and all that sort of thing.
• 1:26:48
  It's just really quiet and you really feel the emotion, the,
• 1:26:53
  the loss that, that, that, that the Doctor has felt.
• 1:26:58
  And, and that's down to, to Peter Capaldi, because I think
• 1:27:03
  sometimes I, I don't necessarily think Steven Moffat is able to
• 1:27:10
  write the most speakable dialogue, but but you really got
• 1:27:15
  what was, what was kind of happening there.
• 1:27:19
  And and I think, and I think that's the thing and it, it kind
• 1:27:22
  of feels like with with Peter Capaldi as as in the lead role,
• 1:27:27
  you felt like you had an actor that could he could play the
• 1:27:31
  funny lines, he could do the emotional bits, he could get the
• 1:27:35
  anger, you know, the full gambit of emotions he was able to do
• 1:27:40
  and he was able to do them well. And I think there are a lot of
• 1:27:44
  doctors where you go. Yeah, he's really good at that
• 1:27:46
  bit, but he's not so good at that purely because I guess the
• 1:27:51
  actor isn't as skilled as what Peter Capaldi is.
• 1:27:54
  And, and, you know, he's rightly regarded as the best guy, the
• 1:28:00
  best actor in in the role for for a reason.
• 1:28:03
  And I think it just, it just comes across in, in, in
• 1:28:05
  everything that he does, whether it's big or small, he does them
• 1:28:09
  so well. Jomana.
• 1:28:12
  Wow. Well, other than agreeing with
• 1:28:14
  everything that's been said so far, it's like for me, Capaldi
• 1:28:17
  completely embodies the Doctor. And, you know, I came to him
• 1:28:19
  first and he's the one who got me hooked onto on the show.
• 1:28:25
  For me, he is the Doctor much more than any other of the
• 1:28:28
  younger actors. And that's not at all me
• 1:28:30
  dismissing their talent because they're all very talented.
• 1:28:33
  But but this is the beauty of what an older actor can bring.
• 1:28:36
  He has this extra life experience.
• 1:28:38
  And clearly Capaldi is somebody who has thought very deeply in
• 1:28:42
  his life and he has had quite a, you know, he has not gone like a
• 1:28:47
  sleepwalker through his life. So he brings, he has the depth
• 1:28:50
  of wisdom, the depth of character that that come from
• 1:28:54
  that those extra years and he pours all that into the role.
• 1:28:57
  Plus, of course, his long knowledge of the show and a
• 1:29:02
  different way of looking at the character of the Doctor.
• 1:29:04
  I like the deeper ways. He's definitely not superficial.
• 1:29:07
  And so when I look at him, I can see an alien being with a cosmic
• 1:29:12
  consciousness who can who, you know, brain the size of the
• 1:29:16
  universe who is just trying to fit in with humans because he
• 1:29:21
  has a huge heart as well. And he cares for them even
• 1:29:23
  though they drive him absolutely bonkers.
• 1:29:25
  I mean, that doctor must feel like the only sober person at
• 1:29:29
  the party all the time, which is a feeling I know very well.
• 1:29:33
  So no wonder he's grunt, you know, but but you know, but it's
• 1:29:38
  a depth of caring that if if you felt that, if you felt that
• 1:29:44
  deeply all the time, and you, you would also be grumpy about
• 1:29:48
  it because it's just unbearable to see a species, because this,
• 1:29:53
  this doctor sees the magnificent potential of humans while
• 1:29:57
  they're all behaving like, you know, squabbling brats around
• 1:30:00
  them all the time. It's like, you know, what do you
• 1:30:03
  do? And I can, I can totally see all
• 1:30:06
  this enormous complexity in his face, in his voice.
• 1:30:11
  And I think it's very telling that whenever voice actors have
• 1:30:14
  tried to do the 12th Doctor, like Dan Starkey or Jacob
• 1:30:18
  Dudman, they have completely, always completely failed to
• 1:30:20
  capture the complexity of the character.
• 1:30:23
  They always kind of, I mean, they're not terrible, but it's
• 1:30:26
  like they always just go for a slightly caricature grumpy
• 1:30:31
  Scotsman and they cannot get past it.
• 1:30:34
  And I don't know if you've heard recently Big Finish announced
• 1:30:38
  that Jon Kosher was going to. And when he does him and he
• 1:30:42
  captures all the incredible nuances of his voice, it's like
• 1:30:47
  magic. And you can't.
• 1:30:48
  I suddenly I was like, Oh my God.
• 1:30:52
  I it it kind of the contrast just amplify just how
• 1:30:57
  unbelievably complex Capaldi is an actor.
• 1:31:01
  And I don't think you can do that by thinking about it.
• 1:31:04
  I think you really have to be the doctor in that moment and
• 1:31:08
  completely give yourself to the to the parts.
• 1:31:10
  No, Jamal. I think Peter Capaldi in his
• 1:31:12
  head has been playing the Doctor since he was about four years
• 1:31:15
  old, so he's thought about it a long time.
• 1:31:20
  I think, I think he's, he's, he's done more than playing.
• 1:31:23
  I think he's, he's really tried to understand what it must be
• 1:31:27
  like to be the doctor because it's, it's, it's such a, he
• 1:31:31
  brings such a depth to the road and he's mesmerizing.
• 1:31:36
  And, and I also do agree that I've never heard anything,
• 1:31:41
  anything bad about him as a person.
• 1:31:42
  Actually, as a matter of fact, I have a friend who I'm very
• 1:31:45
  jealous of who's much younger than me, who used to be a
• 1:31:47
  waitress in the cafe that where he went regularly.
• 1:31:51
  And she says he he is the most lovely and they always had
• 1:31:55
  lovely conversations. I never patronized her.
• 1:31:57
  He had the more he was like a grandfather having very
• 1:32:00
  respectful conversation with her.
• 1:32:02
  And there's another, some other actor who I, I will not name
• 1:32:05
  who, who was not that nice at all.
• 1:32:10
  So. I, I recently had a conversation
• 1:32:12
  with, I was somebody that worked on the set throughout the
• 1:32:15
  entirety of Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi's time.
• 1:32:19
  And obviously I wanted the gossip.
• 1:32:20
  I wanted, you know, give me all the Goths, you know, and I heard
• 1:32:24
  it, all the dramas on the set, you know, that Coleman was a
• 1:32:28
  complete monster at times, You know, all this stuff and all of
• 1:32:31
  this stuff, right? And then I said, come on, Peter
• 1:32:34
  Capaldi. And he just went total gentleman
• 1:32:37
  without fail. Total gentleman.
• 1:32:41
  Yeah, it's almost too good for the doctor here, isn't it?
• 1:32:46
  Yeah. So, you know, I kind of, I, I,
• 1:32:48
  I, I look at him and I feel safe because he is a doctor to me.
• 1:32:53
  And he may not have the social graces that that this particular
• 1:32:57
  doctor, but I would completely kind of trust him no matter
• 1:33:01
  what, even how even if he's very weird, behaving very strangely.
• 1:33:05
  And and you know, I know much more difficult people in my
• 1:33:07
  mother. So that's not, I'm not at all
• 1:33:11
  put off by that. So.
• 1:33:12
  I'm right here, you know, OK. Joe, you are you are a puppy in.
• 1:33:17
  Comparison. No, I.
• 1:33:19
  Know I know put up was in the Middle East so you know yeah, so
• 1:33:23
  I could go on all night about this but I think I've said.
• 1:33:27
  We'll do some more commentaries, you know, so you can do that.
• 1:33:30
  Don't you worry, Mark. Yes, probably not much I can add
• 1:33:35
  to that. I think.
• 1:33:36
  Yeah, he's, he's brilliant in the roles that I said at the
• 1:33:39
  start, you know, he's my favorite new series doctor.
• 1:33:41
  As Germano said, he's he's transcendent.
• 1:33:44
  He's he has your attention the whole time that he's on the
• 1:33:47
  screen. He's always doing really
• 1:33:49
  interesting things. He's the Doctor.
• 1:33:51
  That was not just because he's my favorite, but the one I was
• 1:33:54
  least ready to, for him to leave because he was still doing new
• 1:33:58
  interesting things in a way that maybe Tennant wasn't and and to
• 1:34:02
  a lesser extent, Matt Smith wasn't.
• 1:34:04
  Felt like Peter Capaldi still had places to, to to go with it
• 1:34:08
  and was still, you know, kind of enjoying it, exploring it like
• 1:34:12
  that. And yeah, just from the point of
• 1:34:15
  view and being an ambassador for the show, you know, like,
• 1:34:17
  there's so many lovely stories like that, like, say, about John
• 1:34:20
  Allenson and that. There's a really moving story.
• 1:34:23
  I think it's from season 8 when the mum brought her autistic
• 1:34:28
  daughter along to to meet him. And she's been having a hard
• 1:34:31
  time accepting the change of Doctors.
• 1:34:35
  So the Peter Capaldi took her to one side and showed her a photo
• 1:34:40
  on his phone of him with Matt Smith and Jenna.
• 1:34:42
  Jenna Coleman from the regeneration from the, from the
• 1:34:47
  regeneration said, look, you know, we've, they, they've said
• 1:34:50
  it's fine for me to play with the Doctor.
• 1:34:51
  Hope it's OK for you as well. And it's just such a lovely,
• 1:34:54
  lovely thing that he, you know, he understood that.
• 1:34:57
  He took the time to explain it. I met him at convention a few
• 1:35:00
  years ago as well. It was up in Edinburgh and he
• 1:35:04
  was just doing autographs that day, but he was doing autographs
• 1:35:07
  all day long. He stayed well beyond the time
• 1:35:10
  that he was supposed to because everybody wanted to meet him.
• 1:35:14
  He gave all the money from the autographs to charity and he
• 1:35:20
  made sure that he had time with everybody to have a bit of a
• 1:35:24
  conversation, everything. It was the most comfortable
• 1:35:28
  because it it kind of, you know, you get an autograph from
• 1:35:30
  somebody. It's a little bit of a sort of
• 1:35:31
  an awkward, weird situation, isn't it?
• 1:35:34
  But it was the most comfortable, easy kind of meeting of a of a
• 1:35:38
  style like that, you know, kind of ever had.
• 1:35:41
  He was he was absolutely superb. And the the kind of the Stew was
• 1:35:44
  also on side handed the phone and he would sort of take a
• 1:35:46
  photo of you meeting him. Capaldi was aware of that.
• 1:35:49
  While he was having a conversation, he was looking at
• 1:35:50
  the camera a little bit. He was smiling.
• 1:35:52
  It was he was just a total pro and just absolutely kind of
• 1:35:55
  tireless all day doing it. And that's I'd already left.
• 1:35:58
  But it's where that clip of him, I think he finally come up with
• 1:36:02
  a guitar and he took the guitar and sang David Bowie Starman.
• 1:36:07
  So that was, you know, kind of really popular at the time that
• 1:36:09
  that was that day as well. So even after like an entire
• 1:36:11
  full day of signing autographs and stuff, he was entertaining
• 1:36:15
  and just, yeah, he just seems to one of those just kind of very
• 1:36:18
  admirable people that you say nobody's got a bad word about.
• 1:36:21
  He's a total, total gentleman, kind of a a really good role
• 1:36:25
  model, I think. And it doesn't matter who wins
• 1:36:28
  this episode. We won by having Peter Capaldi
• 1:36:31
  playing the Doctor. Absolutely.
• 1:36:33
  I will just add because wonderful things for everybody
• 1:36:37
  there, but I always think about his natural eccentricities as
• 1:36:42
  well as the Doctor and how effortless that is.
• 1:36:45
  So it's that bit in, I don't really like the episode, but
• 1:36:49
  he's great in it. Doctor Mysterio, where it's a
• 1:36:52
  really tense moment and they're there in Harmony Shoal and he
• 1:36:56
  just turns up and he's just eating his take away and he's.
• 1:37:00
  Sushi it's. Coming, coming just pulls back
• 1:37:04
  and he's eating sushi and he said what I bought a snack.
• 1:37:08
  Or that reaction in Last Christmas, which is a banger of
• 1:37:11
  an episode. What is it?
• 1:37:13
  You've got a movie called Alien that's so racist.
• 1:37:17
  I mean, it's offensive, so offensive, so funny.
• 1:37:21
  All that bit in The Girl Who Died where he goes, oh, electric
• 1:37:27
  eels, he goes of his face with crazy eyes.
• 1:37:31
  It's just wonderful. And just little moments as well.
• 1:37:34
  Less the grandstanding, less the speeches, because I don't really
• 1:37:37
  like the speeches either, especially like that last one,
• 1:37:39
  which feels like it went on the length of a Bible.
• 1:37:41
  But the bit in Kill the Moon where she's going at him and
• 1:37:46
  he's sort of falteringly going to her.
• 1:37:49
  That was me respecting you like, and he just can't believe he's
• 1:37:52
  got it so wrong. And he's throughout the 1st 5
• 1:37:56
  was except, so he's had all the answers and he's been witty and
• 1:37:59
  acerbic and all of that. And he just can't say anything
• 1:38:02
  to her to, to, to, to bring her down because she's so angry.
• 1:38:06
  And he, he plays that on the back foot so brilliantly.
• 1:38:09
  There's just loads of little moments like that.
• 1:38:11
  Whoever said that those little moments, sometimes they're not
• 1:38:14
  even written, you know, But he, he finds those moments.
• 1:38:17
  It's like what I always quote the Barry Let's line of even if
• 1:38:23
  the material isn't always up to scratch.
• 1:38:25
  We won an actor that you can't take your eyes off, and that's
• 1:38:30
  what they've got. With Capaldi, he's always doing
• 1:38:32
  something. You know, you could have Oscar
• 1:38:35
  winners. Actually, he's an Oscar winner,
• 1:38:36
  isn't he? Yes.
• 1:38:38
  Yeah, OK. You can have other Oscar winners
• 1:38:40
  and you wouldn't be looking at them.
• 1:38:41
  You'd still be looking at Peter. Well, I mean, where is this love
• 1:38:46
  going to take us? Sleep no more?
• 1:38:48
  Are you going to win? Let's find out, shall we?
• 1:38:51
  Do our second round of comments then before we go into the last
• 1:38:54
  round. Before the grand finale.
• 1:38:57
  Our grand finale beating Capaldi episode.
• 1:39:00
  Oh fellas, wait till you everybody listens to this list
• 1:39:04
  of episodes we've got in the finale, right?
• 1:39:06
  So we are starting with Mike Hickman and we finished on Mark
• 1:39:11
  so Fraser. Oh my Kickman then says that I
• 1:39:16
  love both Capaldi and Whitaker. Probably has me down as a marked
• 1:39:19
  man. I do tend to think that both
• 1:39:22
  were better than the material, but Revisit and Jodie makes me
• 1:39:25
  aware of the tonal misfires of the 12th Doctors era were worse
• 1:39:30
  than I remembered. The cremation thing.
• 1:39:33
  Oh, we've talked about that Tamara way.
• 1:39:35
  Yeah. And I, I still don't get it.
• 1:39:37
  I still don't don't get it. Someone else that you probably
• 1:39:39
  won't get is Chris Winwood. Who says I bailed out after the
• 1:39:43
  first 3 or 4? Now we know Fraser's missus did
• 1:39:46
  this as well, so same rational people can reach this conclusion
• 1:39:49
  too. Oh no way she's married to
• 1:39:51
  Fraser. Dr. Snide and I'm listening.
• 1:39:54
  Writing smug and over complex. No fun.
• 1:39:57
  There is fun robot Sherwood. Clara hiding under the child
• 1:40:01
  Doctor's bed and scaring her into saving the universe.
• 1:40:04
  Yuck. I gave up after that.
• 1:40:06
  Till Jodie. Well, you missed a lot of good
• 1:40:08
  Doctor Who then. Chris Winwood, I'm afraid.
• 1:40:13
  Jason Thompson says Capaldi is superb with everything he's
• 1:40:16
  given. The creative decisions about his
• 1:40:18
  Doctor far less so making him so unlikeable.
• 1:40:22
  For God's sake people, what is wrong with you?
• 1:40:25
  Making him so unlikeable and suddenly lacking in empathy was
• 1:40:29
  I think not the right move for a character established as a hero.
• 1:40:33
  OK, I have to say say this doctor never lacked in empathy.
• 1:40:37
  God. Also he was not written as
• 1:40:40
  unlike, but he was traumatized and just it's it's there.
• 1:40:45
  It's all there. And the story that she just
• 1:40:46
  stopped stopping at the surface, I don't know.
• 1:40:49
  I think I'd like a boy. It's such a weird gauge though,
• 1:40:52
  because like, you know, like there's people that I know in my
• 1:40:55
  life who are absolute camps and they're so likable, you know,
• 1:40:58
  but someone else will probably look at them and go, well, that
• 1:41:00
  person is so horrible, you know, but it's.
• 1:41:04
  It's that classic thing with them, the demons, the Doctor
• 1:41:07
  story, the demons where the Doctor.
• 1:41:10
  Is electrics. But he is the on the he's, he's
• 1:41:16
  the good guy. And then you have the very
• 1:41:18
  likeable, very small, very sophisticated master who's
• 1:41:23
  obviously the the Ragan. So it's like, what do you want?
• 1:41:26
  Do you want likeable and evil, or do you want unlikeable and
• 1:41:31
  good? Yeah, I'm starting to to read
• 1:41:33
  unlikeable as does not conform to my expectations.
• 1:41:36
  Of what? What the characters would be and
• 1:41:39
  it's I think with I really like Jason Thompson.
• 1:41:42
  So, you know, sorry, sorry to kind of kill you out, but you
• 1:41:45
  know, you're kind of the camels, the straw that rolled the camels
• 1:41:49
  back. You bought the Judas.
• 1:41:51
  Good. We're covered for you, Jason
• 1:41:53
  Thompson. All right.
• 1:41:55
  I think it's the user interface though, isn't it?
• 1:41:58
  It's it's a case of like as we said earlier, both David Tennant
• 1:42:04
  and Matt Smith, their doctors could be absolute Dick heads,
• 1:42:09
  but because they've got the pretty interface, it's not so
• 1:42:13
  noticeable because it's wrapped up in a, in a, you know, a nice
• 1:42:16
  looking. You think this is an image thing
• 1:42:18
  then Dan? I think it is because because
• 1:42:20
  obviously Peter Capaldi's the old craggy grey haired man.
• 1:42:25
  And, and and I think it's it's it's the superficial kind of,
• 1:42:31
  you know, the, the interface isn't quite as pretty as the
• 1:42:34
  previous two. Therefore, I'm it, it feels like
• 1:42:38
  the unpleasantness is is ramped up.
• 1:42:42
  That's that's how I see. And I think he's very pretty.
• 1:42:45
  Peter Capaldi. To get the same for.
• 1:42:47
  The gorgeousness. But you know, I think, I think
• 1:42:48
  this is a very British society kind of thing where you guys are
• 1:42:52
  so addicted to politeness that any, any times.
• 1:42:55
  And personally, coming as a foreigner, I think politeness is
• 1:42:58
  a socially acceptable way of being rude.
• 1:43:01
  But as long as it's polite, they're fine.
• 1:43:05
  That the moment they're honest and they drop the polanis,
• 1:43:08
  you're like, you know this is not acceptable, you're rude.
• 1:43:11
  Unlikeable condom. Like fuck sake man.
• 1:43:15
  Oh, hang on. So does that mean I could be
• 1:43:16
  honest on this call? Right, Fraser, I've got a list
• 1:43:19
  here of issues that I've got with you, OK.
• 1:43:22
  Again, do I have to go through this again?
• 1:43:27
  56 Reasons for Our Masters of Death was the most tedious
• 1:43:30
  moment of my life. Now I'm joking.
• 1:43:32
  I'm joking. But but anyway, the, the, the
• 1:43:34
  doctor's core has not changed. This doctor is still putting his
• 1:43:37
  life on the line for saving people.
• 1:43:39
  Who cares whether he he's nice on the surface, I don't care.
• 1:43:43
  He's still going to save my life.
• 1:43:44
  You know, I don't care if he he's, I don't, but.
• 1:43:48
  Some people don't know how to express that stuff.
• 1:43:51
  I know people that don't know how to express kindness.
• 1:43:54
  They they, they behave in a kind way, but they don't know how to
• 1:43:58
  like, do it verbally and emotionally sometimes, and
• 1:44:01
  that's OK. Exactly, exactly.
• 1:44:04
  And I will talk about this later in my choice so.
• 1:44:07
  OK, well, you know, remember, you're addressing the ham fam,
• 1:44:10
  all right? They listen to this bullshit
• 1:44:12
  like they're not the most savvy of people, Dan.
• 1:44:15
  Please give us. OK, well, Next up, we've got
• 1:44:18
  your your nemesis Joe. We've got Michael Storm.
• 1:44:21
  He's. Gonna love it, then he'll love
• 1:44:23
  it. Yeah, here we go.
• 1:44:25
  As you might expect from your nemesis, I bloody love most of
• 1:44:29
  this era. Capaldi brought back the harsher
• 1:44:32
  gruffer edge to the Doctor that had been largely absent from New
• 1:44:36
  Who. He has that dangerous edge that
• 1:44:38
  you had from early Hartnell and Hinchcliffe stroke Holmes era.
• 1:44:42
  Tom, I like the less user friendly take and I have a
• 1:44:47
  different reading of some of his harsher moments throughout the
• 1:44:50
  run. Capaldi never puts a foot wrong
• 1:44:53
  in his acting. I agree with him.
• 1:44:58
  Stephen Rhodes says I enjoyed seeing this.
• 1:45:00
  Doctor's slow transformation, Insufferable twat from space to
• 1:45:03
  the kindest granddad in the universe over three series.
• 1:45:07
  I don't think any Doctor actor could have done this as well as
• 1:45:09
  Capaldi. He was perfect.
• 1:45:11
  Liked him with Bill, loved him with Clara.
• 1:45:13
  I just wish we'd had more of him as a semi mythical university
• 1:45:17
  lecturer. That was a genius idea.
• 1:45:19
  We've gone from grumpy to insufferable twat now.
• 1:45:22
  How bad. Oh I'm so pleased that Fraser
• 1:45:26
  gets to read out James Larks comment.
• 1:45:28
  These are the positive comments. Job, OH.
• 1:45:30
  Yes, I'm so sorry. Maybe I'll put some at the end I
• 1:45:35
  think. Well, I was I was hoping I was
• 1:45:37
  going to dodge an essay, but this is the point where I have
• 1:45:40
  to see if anyone needs a piss break.
• 1:45:41
  Go now, because James Lock writes the following.
• 1:45:46
  Capaldi's Doctor is charismatic, complex, warm, witty,
• 1:45:49
  simultaneously very human and completely alien.
• 1:45:52
  It is hands down the most interesting interpretation since
• 1:45:55
  the siege returned in 2005. All of this in spite of Oh.
• 1:46:00
  God, we were doing so well. You're doing so well.
• 1:46:05
  I am tearing my hair out. The initial attempts at making
• 1:46:09
  him edgily dark and dangerous are so cacanded you wonder what
• 1:46:13
  the hell they thought they were doing.
• 1:46:14
  They were writing for Malcolm Tucker.
• 1:46:16
  Whipping through this. It's even more egregious that
• 1:46:19
  then it's sorry. It's even more egregious than
• 1:46:23
  the stuff Colin was given because it's so arbitrary and
• 1:46:26
  inconsistently applied. Ditto the attempts at whimsy,
• 1:46:30
  invariably underscored with Murray Gold's most unsubtle
• 1:46:33
  look. He's been eccentric.
• 1:46:35
  Everyone there's a carto strings.
• 1:46:38
  That and all of the cool grandad stuff is proper behind the sofa.
• 1:46:41
  Cringe and in lesser hands would be completely unwatchable.
• 1:46:45
  This before he ends this. This is how you literally do a
• 1:46:48
  shit sandwich right? Go frozen.
• 1:46:53
  That Capaldi not only managed to sell all this, but somehow comes
• 1:46:56
  through with his dignity and the Doctor intact speaks to his
• 1:46:59
  skilfully judged performance and magnetic screen presence.
• 1:47:03
  I think he's magical and frequently deserved much, much
• 1:47:07
  better. Now, look, I don't want you
• 1:47:09
  people coming at me, all right? I'm not responsible for these
• 1:47:11
  comments. I'll just assemble them, OK?
• 1:47:14
  Carolyn Arnold very succinctly says the 12th doctor was the one
• 1:47:19
  to fully unmask and show their autism.
• 1:47:23
  That's a really interesting angle.
• 1:47:24
  It is and it's it's one I I want to push back a little bit on.
• 1:47:28
  I hope I don't offend anyone by doing so, but my youngest son is
• 1:47:33
  autistic and I can see where this reading of the 12th Doctor
• 1:47:39
  comes from. We talked all the time about him
• 1:47:41
  being unfiltered. He doesn't have the social
• 1:47:43
  niceties, he doesn't have that ability to recognise social
• 1:47:47
  clues, to know that he is saying the wrong thing, that he's
• 1:47:49
  upsetting people and and all the rest of it.
• 1:47:52
  And that is a a very autistic reading.
• 1:47:54
  But the issue I have with with reading the 12th Doctor as
• 1:47:57
  autistic is that it's all played for laughs.
• 1:48:01
  You know, every time he does this, and it's especially
• 1:48:03
  prevalent in nearly part of Series 8, it's very much done in
• 1:48:08
  order to get a laugh, usually at the expense of Clara's
• 1:48:10
  appearance. So, you know, things that you
• 1:48:13
  have got a very moon faced shape, you know, and, and that
• 1:48:17
  sort of stuff. So you have the element where,
• 1:48:20
  you know, autistic people will say things and it will, oh, I
• 1:48:24
  can't believe you said that. It's hilarious.
• 1:48:25
  And it kind of misses the other side of that where they will say
• 1:48:29
  some unbelievably kind and unbelievably beautiful things.
• 1:48:32
  I'll give you an example from my son.
• 1:48:34
  We had a conversation with his head teacher.
• 1:48:36
  And, you know, the subject came up and he said, oh, yeah, I've
• 1:48:39
  noticed. You know, he asked me the other
• 1:48:42
  day why I had so many chins and we all kind of yes, but he said,
• 1:48:48
  you know, he counted that. The other week I showed him a
• 1:48:50
  photo from, I think it was, you know, 5-5 years ago.
• 1:48:54
  And he told me, you know, yes, why I looked younger now than I
• 1:48:57
  did in that photo. So, you know, you get you get
• 1:49:00
  the other side. We don't say that with with this
• 1:49:02
  doctor. So I I kind of no.
• 1:49:05
  I counter that then, sorry, I know we do have to go to bed
• 1:49:07
  tonight, but I absolutely think he says incredibly kind things.
• 1:49:12
  And I don't think it's always played for laughs either.
• 1:49:15
  Occasionally it's played for laughs.
• 1:49:16
  It's it's not done in that sort of, you know, I am not reading
• 1:49:20
  this. The the room sort of weird is he
• 1:49:23
  says kind things because he is being kind basically he says.
• 1:49:26
  So as well, I do think to be fair to Carolyn, everybody's
• 1:49:29
  experience of autism is different and if that might
• 1:49:33
  absolutely be within. Her life.
• 1:49:36
  Her experience of autism. It's, and this is what that's
• 1:49:38
  why I said at the start, you know, I hope I don't offend
• 1:49:39
  anyone. You know who who has that
• 1:49:41
  experience by seeing that book? You know, my, my, you know, my
• 1:49:45
  lived experience kind of has me kind of pushing back against
• 1:49:49
  that as a reading. Well.
• 1:49:52
  Of the 12th Doctor. But yeah, absolutely everyone
• 1:49:54
  else's experience is going to differ, but I think.
• 1:49:57
  It's a fascinating reading though.
• 1:49:59
  It is and that's the beauty of autism.
• 1:50:00
  You know, there is no one way of, you know, every autistic
• 1:50:05
  person is, is different from every other autistic person.
• 1:50:07
  There isn't. It's wider spectrum basically.
• 1:50:10
  It's not just a 1, you know, one-size-fits-all box sort of
• 1:50:14
  approach. You really have got to look for
• 1:50:16
  the the the subtleties and the nuances with with every artistic
• 1:50:19
  person there. Well, I'm very pleased that I
• 1:50:21
  get to say on behalf of David Greene.
• 1:50:24
  Oh, Capaldi is glorious. Possibly the best actor to play
• 1:50:28
  the part. Sea Snake was a wobbly one, but
• 1:50:30
  seasons 9 and 10 might be my favorite of New Who.
• 1:50:33
  Missy Bill, even Nado. What's not to love?
• 1:50:40
  Lord Rev Called says Capaldi was very good, Pearl Mackie and Matt
• 1:50:44
  Lucas were excellent, and Michelle Gomez was lots of fun.
• 1:50:47
  However, the writing became a huge turn off for me.
• 1:50:50
  It's an era I never go back to through choice.
• 1:50:53
  Make. The choice, make the choice.
• 1:50:55
  Yeah. And Mummy on the Express
• 1:50:58
  back-to-back. Go and watch Robert of Sherwood
• 1:51:01
  go and watch in the first of the night go and watch eat as if
• 1:51:07
  light to. Be oh listen to this next comic
• 1:51:10
  go down. OK, so MV Lang says Capaldi is
• 1:51:16
  the exact opposite of Pertway. The higher the hair, the better
• 1:51:21
  the story. I mean what 1 can always tell
• 1:51:24
  where one is in the Capaldi ever by the size of his bouffant?
• 1:51:28
  That is true. Supreme Human says I prefer I
• 1:51:34
  prefer more light hearted Doctor Who and I'm afraid his era was
• 1:51:37
  written was rather too dark for my taste.
• 1:51:39
  It's much better in Torchwood, where darkness was more welcome
• 1:51:43
  in the show. We like dark.
• 1:51:47
  I don't like Torchwood. Now you?
• 1:51:51
  I'm not sure. That keep it.
• 1:51:52
  Dark. That was mostly comedy, wasn't
• 1:51:54
  it? Tortured.
• 1:51:56
  Mostly crap, wasn't it? It was something.
• 1:52:00
  It was something we'll, we'll agree on that.
• 1:52:02
  So keeping it formal, Mr. Alistair says.
• 1:52:05
  Very recently watched it all, many episodes for the first time
• 1:52:08
  since broadcast. I genuinely loved it all.
• 1:52:13
  Apart from the death of Bill. Spoilers.
• 1:52:15
  She doesn't die at the end. My son and I decided, once
• 1:52:18
  finished, not to carry on into the chimney era.
• 1:52:21
  Well, Mr. Alistair, you and your son are missing out.
• 1:52:23
  Carry on into the chimney era. It is a treasure trove of
• 1:52:27
  goodness. Yes, I get another +1.
• 1:52:29
  Chris Curtis, I welcome the crotchety or there's a new,
• 1:52:32
  there's a new word, crotchety and alien nature of this Doctor
• 1:52:35
  Stark contrast to the unlikable nature.
• 1:52:38
  Sorry it didn't likeable nature. David and Matt think Clara was
• 1:52:42
  the wrong companion, and it felt at times that the role was
• 1:52:45
  shared between the two. You don't like strong women?
• 1:52:48
  Chris Curtis? What's going on there?
• 1:52:50
  So Mercurial flips between serious and comical in a
• 1:52:53
  heartbeat. Yeah, that's the show, isn't it?
• 1:52:55
  Yeah, that's that's the best Doctor Who, isn't it?
• 1:52:57
  Yeah, and that's an interesting point.
• 1:52:59
  Then crotchety because obviously the first.
• 1:53:01
  Doctor want to go to bed tonight All right, the. 4th Doctor's
• 1:53:04
  alien, but we're seeing unlikeable for the 12th.
• 1:53:06
  No. Why can't he be crotchety?
• 1:53:07
  Why can't he be alien? Why can't he be everything?
• 1:53:10
  We describe the other thing. Yeah.
• 1:53:13
  OK Kane Parker says absolutely love him.
• 1:53:15
  A welcome change from 10 and 11. Peter and Jen are absolutely
• 1:53:19
  frustrated together. Possibly my favorite team from
• 1:53:22
  you who aside from 10. Donna regularly revisit his era
• 1:53:25
  and has some truly classic episodes in it.
• 1:53:29
  Excellent. Nice.
• 1:53:31
  This is a great name CSO Fringe. I think he was a very good oh,
• 1:53:41
  is it worth missing that? I think he was a very good
• 1:53:44
  doctor. It's just a shame that the show
• 1:53:46
  became tonally very dark, levelled out somewhat when Bill
• 1:53:52
  arrived. James Sylvester says the doc
• 1:53:57
  that made me break my no favorite Doctor rule.
• 1:53:59
  His portrayal portrayal made me feel seen in a way that actually
• 1:54:03
  shocked a little and he was probably the finest actor to
• 1:54:06
  take the part on. He's more like it.
• 1:54:08
  We're on a row now, folks. Come on.
• 1:54:10
  Yeah, we'll go. Here's another one.
• 1:54:11
  Alex Hargrove. Adore his era.
• 1:54:14
  He's up there with John, Tom and Peter as one of the four best
• 1:54:17
  Doctor Who's. While he is Peter, I
• 1:54:19
  particularly love series 10 out of series 10.
• 1:54:21
  So much that I have this prop from the Doctor study hanging in
• 1:54:24
  my own Home Office, which works wonderfully on podcasts.
• 1:54:28
  Yeah, we can't see it, but what prop has he got the the is it
• 1:54:33
  the rug? Carry on, I shall report back.
• 1:54:38
  Colin Neil says I loved him and I loved his era.
• 1:54:41
  Pert We bake Times 2 all rolled into one season. 10 is perfect
• 1:54:45
  Doctor Who for me. Good man.
• 1:54:48
  Charlie Barnes One of the rare occasions when this fandom was
• 1:54:52
  unanimous was when he was announced as a Doctor.
• 1:54:55
  We all thought he was inspired casting and that he would kill
• 1:54:58
  it, and we were correct. This era of the show can be
• 1:55:01
  summed summed up as 2 middle-aged Scotsmen living out
• 1:55:04
  their childhood fantasies and I'm all here for it.
• 1:55:08
  Wonderful, wonderful. OK so the next comment is from
• 1:55:16
  PlayStation Gamer 187 and he says.
• 1:55:19
  I didn't really like him to begin with but after rewatching
• 1:55:27
  with my little one he's now in my top five of Doctors.
• 1:55:31
  He has all the alien vibes of the 4th Doctor but with the
• 1:55:35
  wonderful dry wit of Edmund Blackadder.
• 1:55:39
  Loved Bill too, a refreshing change from Clara.
• 1:55:42
  I feel like we need a comedy sound effect for every time
• 1:55:45
  somebody says grumpy crotch to you.
• 1:55:46
  Whatever. Right.
• 1:55:47
  Can you choose one? What's a What's a popular sound
• 1:55:50
  effect from the Capaldi era that I could kick in there?
• 1:55:53
  Just have him shouting get these.
• 1:55:55
  No, no, no. Just go in.
• 1:55:57
  Shut up, shut up. I'll put that.
• 1:56:01
  In all right, I think that or or putting brains every time the
• 1:56:05
  same like. That would be a good one.
• 1:56:06
  I'll take that one. Alex Wilson says everything got
• 1:56:12
  better in his last season. I think everything, not just
• 1:56:16
  Doctor Who, but everything got better.
• 1:56:20
  Just just to confirm then before we go on, Scott, that Alex
• 1:56:22
  Hargrave has got a painting and hanging in his Home Office.
• 1:56:27
  I don't recognise it, but if he says it's from the US 10 I shall
• 1:56:31
  believe him. How are you in Alex Hargrave's
• 1:56:33
  Home Office? Wibbly wobbly timey whammy.
• 1:56:37
  Anyhow, Scott says. I could have gone so wrong.
• 1:56:43
  You saying that? Scott says.
• 1:56:46
  Brilliant. Overall, after a note or even
• 1:56:48
  start, which isn't unsurprising or uncommon, they weren't quite
• 1:56:52
  in the pocket to begin. Including Missy, the next two
• 1:56:55
  had extremely strong streaks. He might be my favorite, though.
• 1:56:59
  I really like Megan Trouten and all the new ones.
• 1:57:02
  We've got a sort of Knickerbocker glory metaphor
• 1:57:05
  going on from Dave Crowley, Greatest doctor ever.
• 1:57:08
  It has little bits of the other doctors put into him.
• 1:57:11
  Excuse me. Which is capped off with the
• 1:57:14
  cherry of Peter Capaldi's presence.
• 1:57:16
  Bam. Amy says.
• 1:57:19
  I love his portrayal. He's my favorite Doctor and I
• 1:57:22
  think his era is fantastic. Right now Season 8 is my
• 1:57:25
  favorite of his seasons. I think Peter Capaldi had a very
• 1:57:28
  strong sense of who the Doctor is and how he wanted to play the
• 1:57:31
  character. Yes, I would agree with.
• 1:57:33
  That we're on a snowball going down the hill of love.
• 1:57:36
  Now come on, let's see. Next up we've got a bewildered
• 1:57:41
  Badger who says whilst his era is host to a few to a few of my
• 1:57:46
  least favorite stories in the history of the show, the average
• 1:57:50
  quality is very high. In addition, Capaldi, Coleman
• 1:57:55
  and Gomez are free of the finest actors to appear in the show.
• 1:57:59
  We were fortunate to get them together.
• 1:58:04
  Edward Gillooly, since I wasn't particularly a fan of his era or
• 1:58:08
  his portrayal. Clara stayed a season too long.
• 1:58:11
  His final season was much better with Bill in it.
• 1:58:13
  In truth, there are very few of his episodes that I want to
• 1:58:16
  watch again. Do it just.
• 1:58:20
  Go and watch it. Go watch some some of the ones
• 1:58:22
  we've talked about. I don't really like his comment,
• 1:58:26
  but he's got a great surname isn't he I.
• 1:58:30
  Think like I've found when I haven't liked an era of Doctor
• 1:58:34
  Who, if I go and rewatch it, I totally reappraise it and see it
• 1:58:39
  in a different, a different light because, because I think
• 1:58:41
  that happened with with me and, and, and Chris Chibnall and
• 1:58:45
  Jodie Whittaker, because it wasn't, it wasn't something that
• 1:58:47
  really hit home when it was broadcast.
• 1:58:50
  But since going back to it and rewatching it a couple of times,
• 1:58:53
  it's like, I can really see how how much better it was than what
• 1:58:59
  I originally thought. So it's always worth, you know,
• 1:59:01
  rather than going, oh, I don't go back to that.
• 1:59:03
  Give it a go. Give it a go and and and you
• 1:59:05
  know. What it is, it's that fan
• 1:59:07
  mindset of, yeah, it's coming out now as shit.
• 1:59:10
  So to go back and watch the previous era and automatically
• 1:59:12
  you re evaluate that. It's that and disappointment,
• 1:59:16
  isn't it? Of, you know, I expect this to
• 1:59:17
  be something, it's not something, therefore I don't
• 1:59:20
  want to. But like I say, every time I go
• 1:59:22
  back, I enjoy these, this era, the stories more and more.
• 1:59:25
  Jamala said it earlier. I think, I think the people came
• 1:59:28
  in with massive expectations of what Capaldi was going to
• 1:59:32
  deliver and maybe don't do that. Maybe just go in and see what
• 1:59:36
  he's doing. I was expecting it to be a bit
• 1:59:40
  Markham Tucker. I was expecting it to be like,
• 1:59:42
  ah, Davros, come the fuck in or fuck the fuck off.
• 1:59:47
  Kind of get that. So I.
• 1:59:48
  Wasn't expecting him to throw Davros out of his chair though.
• 1:59:50
  Oh God. That's a terrible.
• 1:59:52
  That's a bad choice. Anyhow, moving on, Michael
• 1:59:57
  Muslin, I didn't like his portrayal and wasn't a fan of
• 2:00:00
  the 20 monologue every other episode.
• 2:00:04
  Not a fan of Clara as she was irritated and annoying.
• 2:00:07
  And please, enough with the companion who saves the bloody
• 2:00:10
  universe, that's the Doctor. Bill was so much better a
• 2:00:15
  companion. Well, Bill saved the bloody
• 2:00:17
  universe as well, so. Yeah, so did Donna.
• 2:00:20
  So did all of them, Martha. Well, I'm very pleased, One,
• 2:00:25
  that these lengthy comments are over, and two, that I'm ending
• 2:00:29
  on a positive comment here from Jan.
• 2:00:32
  Just Jan. I don't know who you are, Jan,
• 2:00:34
  but I'm assuming by this comment.
• 2:00:36
  You're wonderful. My favorite Doctor from any era.
• 2:00:40
  Emoji covered in kisses. He reminded me of a classic
• 2:00:44
  Doctor, that he was sharp and as quick as any of the modern
• 2:00:47
  Doctors. I adore his entire era.
• 2:00:51
  Season 9 is my favorite. Well, nobody's perfect Jan.
• 2:00:54
  The intense relationship with Clara was total perfection and
• 2:00:58
  Bill and Nardo were great too. Hiss are.
• 2:01:03
  Boy, I mean, I've seen some passions flaring up in those
• 2:01:05
  comments there from you bunch, you know?
• 2:01:08
  The thing that struck me about those comments was very
• 2:01:10
  polarized. It's either I love it, I love
• 2:01:12
  it, I love it, or I hate this Very, very little.
• 2:01:16
  Actually in the middle with that it's it's very.
• 2:01:22
  Well, everybody, a great a great decision now is facing us.
• 2:01:30
  I'm going to give you the list of winners.
• 2:01:32
  Obviously robot of Sherwood is in with a chance of winning this
• 2:01:35
  as well, which would be true to strictly form.
• 2:01:39
  So the winners list that we have to choose from is Listen, Kill
• 2:01:44
  the Moon, Sleep No More, Oh my God Sakes, Thin Ice and Empress
• 2:01:52
  of Mars and Robot of Sherwood. And I think we should probably
• 2:01:59
  start this time with that delicious man from Trap 1, Mark
• 2:02:03
  McManus. Well, the list I've got has got
• 2:02:07
  another story which I was going to.
• 2:02:08
  Pick and last Christmas. Well and last Christmas.
• 2:02:15
  Ho ho ho. Yeah, I I absolutely adore last
• 2:02:19
  Christmas is my favorite of the Christmas specials.
• 2:02:22
  I think particularly where where it comes after series 8.
• 2:02:27
  It's it's it's I can't say it's for all of them.
• 2:02:31
  It's really fun and funny, but it's also it's creepy, it's
• 2:02:35
  exciting. It's just it's a brilliant idea
• 2:02:37
  that the dream crabs that the whole thing if not knowing if
• 2:02:41
  you're in reality or a dream, like I think everybody at some
• 2:02:44
  point has that in a dream where you think you've woken up, but
• 2:02:47
  you haven't and that kind of thing.
• 2:02:50
  So it that whole sort of, you know, idea of not knowing what's
• 2:02:55
  real and what isn't worked really well.
• 2:02:59
  I remember going into it and thinking Doctor Who's been on
• 2:03:02
  over 50 years. We've seen the trailer with Nick
• 2:03:05
  Frost as Santa, a Doctor Who's so mercurial and, and, and
• 2:03:12
  unexpected. It could be Santa or it could be
• 2:03:15
  something else like it's, it's, you know, at this stage, this
• 2:03:19
  stage, Santa could turn up as a character and Doctor Who, you
• 2:03:22
  wouldn't, you wouldn't rule it out.
• 2:03:23
  We've had Robin Hood in the previous series.
• 2:03:25
  So the the you know, what's to say it won't it won't be the
• 2:03:28
  real Santa. And then I think there's a
• 2:03:31
  really clever thing going on where obviously Santa is real,
• 2:03:35
  obviously, but in this story it isn't the real Santa.
• 2:03:39
  And there's a really clever thing going on with the way that
• 2:03:42
  each person that Santa interacts with, he is he's sort of a
• 2:03:45
  mirror of that person, which kind of is a clue that he is,
• 2:03:50
  you know, a projection fit for each of those people.
• 2:03:52
  So when he speaks to Clara, first of all, on the rooftops,
• 2:03:55
  he lies to her, which echoes that whole series eight thing
• 2:03:58
  that, you know, mentioned before about Clara kind of learning to
• 2:04:00
  become a more adept at lying through becoming more like the
• 2:04:04
  Doctor. When he talks to the Doctor, he
• 2:04:07
  immediately starts talking about alien races, talking about the
• 2:04:10
  slave being bigger on the inside.
• 2:04:12
  And then when he's talking to Ashley and Shawna, he's all kind
• 2:04:16
  of like modern and sassy and he's like My Little Pony and all
• 2:04:19
  that kind of stuff. And so it's that whole thing of
• 2:04:22
  whoever he's talking to, he he's a he's a mirror.
• 2:04:24
  That person. I thought was was like a really
• 2:04:26
  brilliant touch that I think I know it's on like the second
• 2:04:28
  watch or something like that. The dream crabs are a really
• 2:04:32
  muffety kind of alien, aren't they?
• 2:04:33
  Because they they're not just scary looking, but they they
• 2:04:37
  play with your perception and play with your reality and all
• 2:04:39
  that kind of stuff as well. And it kind of, you know, they
• 2:04:44
  didn't really go anywhere, but it kind of kind of at the time
• 2:04:47
  made me start thinking about, you know, is this because they
• 2:04:50
  wake up and it looks like the planet where Clara was
• 2:04:52
  destroying all the the TARDIS keys and stuff, didn't it?
• 2:04:56
  So it was. Very economic use of a set
• 2:04:58
  there, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:04:59
  So then it was like, well, are they, are they unwriting the end
• 2:05:01
  of the last series or something like that?
• 2:05:03
  But that kind of didn't go anywhere.
• 2:05:04
  But it kind of it, it's any of those sort of things.
• 2:05:07
  It makes you wonder where the dream crabs actually actually
• 2:05:10
  came in you. Think during that episode they
• 2:05:12
  went could you just film this bit please while we got the set
• 2:05:15
  up. That's it.
• 2:05:19
  So yeah, I just, I thought it's a just a brilliant all round
• 2:05:24
  story. It's got a, you know, echoes of
• 2:05:26
  The Thing and Alien, all that stuff.
• 2:05:27
  It's got that great line that you mentioned before, Joe,
• 2:05:29
  about, you know, it's a horror movie called Alien, so
• 2:05:32
  offensive. It's brilliant.
• 2:05:35
  And then you talk about Capaldi being, you know, all those
• 2:05:38
  comments about, you know, kind of being joyless and dark and
• 2:05:41
  whatever, and you have the Doctor ride in the sleigh at the
• 2:05:45
  end and it's just, it's just pure.
• 2:05:47
  Joy. What does he say?
• 2:05:48
  Yippee, Kaye. Yeah, it's it's it's a
• 2:05:56
  wonderful, joyous story and yeah, definitely my favorite
• 2:05:59
  Christmas special. Well.
• 2:06:00
  Do you know what? I'm going to put a spanner in
• 2:06:02
  the works again because I want to make figures more interesting
• 2:06:07
  in this winners because I want to choose last Christmas as
• 2:06:13
  well. So we're going to go in
• 2:06:14
  immediately with two votes for last Christmas to see how this
• 2:06:17
  goes. And I want to highlight one
• 2:06:20
  moment in particular that I think captures the confidence of
• 2:06:25
  Doctor Who so perfectly. And it's everything I love about
• 2:06:30
  Doctor Who is a moment in the base when the dream crabs attack
• 2:06:34
  everybody and it's really tense and all these horrible things
• 2:06:38
  are coming down from the ceiling with squiggly arm legs and going
• 2:06:41
  on people's head to some things. And then it cuts to these toys
• 2:06:45
  coming in in slow motion. Hello.
• 2:07:25
  It comes Santa Claus, and suddenly it's the campus thing
• 2:07:28
  you've ever seen in your entire life, and it's gone from horror
• 2:07:30
  to high camp in a heartbeat. And that's Doctor Who for me,
• 2:07:34
  man. And the confidence of that, I
• 2:07:36
  mean it, it shouldn't work at all.
• 2:07:39
  And they just get away with it brilliantly.
• 2:07:41
  I mean, the nerve of Shona waking up with that bloody list
• 2:07:46
  of films that have inspired this episode of Moffat.
• 2:07:49
  You have got some nerve. But I admire your confidence.
• 2:07:52
  You know, I think Clara's amazing this as well.
• 2:07:56
  There's one moment where she's genuinely terrified when she's
• 2:07:59
  under that desk and that the goo from the green drink pad is on
• 2:08:04
  her shoulder and she's screaming.
• 2:08:06
  You don't often see Clara in that typical companion role of
• 2:08:10
  being absolutely terrified, and she does it brilliantly.
• 2:08:14
  Just everything about these things.
• 2:08:16
  I remember watching this I it was the last episode I watched
• 2:08:19
  with a member of my family, my nephew Reese, and we snuck out
• 2:08:25
  to his bedroom because no one else in my family is going to
• 2:08:27
  watch it. And we sat and watched and we
• 2:08:28
  were both just gripped and had the best time with it.
• 2:08:32
  Yeah, I think it's the best Christmas special.
• 2:08:35
  It's certainly top 10 new who for me.
• 2:08:38
  And so on that list of episodes I've listened, I could make a
• 2:08:41
  case for as well because I think, listen, it's delicious,
• 2:08:45
  especially in how it refuses. I mean, Ma for half goes to me.
• 2:08:48
  Well, what was knocking on the door?
• 2:08:50
  What was under the bed? I'm like, oh, will you shut up?
• 2:08:53
  I mean, that is why it's scary. For God's sakes.
• 2:08:57
  The knife last Christmas. Yes, that's two votes for.
• 2:09:00
  Last, I'm gonna say very quickly, Nick Frost also.
• 2:09:02
  I think he's absolutely brilliant.
• 2:09:04
  Sweet Papa Crimbo, all that. Stuff.
• 2:09:08
  Doesn't he turn off his sleigh with a car key?
• 2:09:13
  It's so great. OK, who are we going to go to
• 2:09:17
  next? I think we should leave Fraser
• 2:09:19
  till last. That'll be the longest.
• 2:09:20
  So, Gemana. Yes.
• 2:09:24
  Winner of choice. I'm going with listen.
• 2:09:29
  Okay, so sorry, I'm going to my notes a bit because it's past my
• 2:09:32
  bad time and the brain fog is setting in.
• 2:09:36
  So I think it is a very subtle episode.
• 2:09:40
  So on the surface, it's a thought experiment where the
• 2:09:43
  question is left absolutely unanswered.
• 2:09:46
  So whether you lean towards one type of explanation or the
• 2:09:49
  other, it depends very much on on your own makeup.
• 2:09:51
  And the writing is so careful not to give more weight to one
• 2:09:56
  or the other. So how you read so you know, you
• 2:10:00
  can't say this person is wrong or that person is wrong.
• 2:10:02
  The episode does not give any answers.
• 2:10:05
  And how how you react to that is also the, you know, very, very
• 2:10:12
  much up to you whether it fascinates you or disappoints
• 2:10:14
  you or makes you uncomfortable or even makes you angry.
• 2:10:17
  It's a personal thing. And I feel like the viewer is
• 2:10:20
  invited to ask him or herself, how do I feel about not knowing
• 2:10:25
  and about not having the answers?
• 2:10:26
  How does that make me feel? So how?
• 2:10:30
  Does it make you feel? Me, I love it.
• 2:10:34
  It's actually something that I very much put in my work.
• 2:10:38
  It is. It's a trademark of my work that
• 2:10:40
  I use Writing that you cannot read so that you can tell that
• 2:10:44
  something is written, but you cannot read it because this
• 2:10:48
  feeling of mystery, I find it absolutely gripping.
• 2:10:52
  And the moment you have the answer, it it just vanishes.
• 2:10:55
  So I make sure that you cannot read the answer.
• 2:10:57
  And this tension is never dissipated.
• 2:10:59
  So, So for me, something like this where you want to know but
• 2:11:04
  you can't know, it's really, I don't know how to describe this
• 2:11:09
  feeling, but I love it. You know, it just keeps me
• 2:11:13
  going. So yeah.
• 2:11:18
  So a few, a few things that I love about it.
• 2:11:22
  There's a beautiful line in it that's quite profound.
• 2:11:25
  And it's, it's, it's a throwaway line, but it's like he when the
• 2:11:28
  doctor says the deep and lovely dark would never see the stars
• 2:11:31
  without it. And that is so profound.
• 2:11:34
  You could take that and meditate on it and you could read it on
• 2:11:38
  so many levels. And that's just a just a line
• 2:11:42
  that says in passing that has no bearing on the story.
• 2:11:44
  But it's a beautiful line. I love how he's portrayed in
• 2:11:48
  this episode. It's his third one in this
• 2:11:49
  incarnation. It's so early.
• 2:11:51
  All things human are still completely going through his
• 2:11:54
  head and going over his head. Sorry.
• 2:11:57
  And great example. He he, he, he, he parked the
• 2:12:02
  target, sorry, the TARDIS in Clara's bedroom.
• 2:12:04
  And he's like, I thought I'd better hide in the bedroom in
• 2:12:06
  case you brought him home. Like he's not being a jerk.
• 2:12:11
  He's so dead, isn't he? From another planet, you know,
• 2:12:15
  it's like he just so you know, I it's so funny and at the same
• 2:12:21
  time it's very endearing and talking about the how different
• 2:12:25
  people express different things. So he can appear to be uncaring.
• 2:12:28
  For instance, when Clara is upset after her date, he doesn't
• 2:12:31
  really respond to that in any any way that appears caring.
• 2:12:35
  But 5 minutes later when his face was a scared child, he's
• 2:12:37
  really good. He doesn't get any softer, but
• 2:12:40
  he has this great little pep talk.
• 2:12:42
  So, so clearly he does care. He just has his own way maybe of
• 2:12:46
  expressing that and of responding to these situations.
• 2:12:52
  So I don't want to go on too long because I'm leaving.
• 2:12:53
  I'm leaving the big piece for the for last.
• 2:12:56
  So the the different pieces of the story, they fit so well
• 2:13:00
  together, but with a lighter touch than Moffat usually has.
• 2:13:03
  And there are some really, really beautifully written
• 2:13:06
  moments. For instance, there's a kind of
• 2:13:08
  a mirroring at one point when the Doctor is really worried
• 2:13:12
  about Clara and he wants her to get safe and without arguing
• 2:13:16
  with him, he stops being flippant and he just really
• 2:13:19
  shouts at her like you do, as you are told, get into the
• 2:13:22
  TARDIS. And so she she doesn't argue,
• 2:13:25
  just get in there. And then later on when she's
• 2:13:27
  worried about him and she wants him to get safe without arguing
• 2:13:31
  with her, she stops shouting. That's when she stops shouting
• 2:13:35
  and she goes really soft instead.
• 2:13:38
  And it's just, it's, it's really interesting and, and subtle, you
• 2:13:42
  know, now. But for me, the, the, really
• 2:13:47
  the, the meat of this and that is that is the underlayer.
• 2:13:50
  That is what's hidden underneath this beyond the sci-fi adventure
• 2:13:54
  and the awkward romance, which is hilarious and the kind of
• 2:13:58
  thought experiment. This episode is about listening
• 2:14:01
  and you know it's hidden in place.
• 2:14:03
  I the, the title is listen, but it is about listening, listening
• 2:14:06
  to the other person, right. So Clara starts out, she's very
• 2:14:09
  sad centred in this season. She's it's all about her and she
• 2:14:13
  reacts to all the characters as if the world revolves around how
• 2:14:16
  they they make her feel. She takes everything personally.
• 2:14:19
  She's very defensive. And in this episode, we start
• 2:14:22
  with Clara thinking the Doctor is off on another weird and
• 2:14:26
  dangerous obsession. And it doesn't occur to her for
• 2:14:29
  a moment that it there's something that he is freaked out
• 2:14:32
  about and he needs to exercise it.
• 2:14:34
  He he needs to find an answer about it.
• 2:14:37
  And similarly with Danny on the date, she's completely oblivious
• 2:14:40
  to the fact that maybe he's he's tired of being judged solely by
• 2:14:44
  his former profession and, you know, being being like AI don't
• 2:14:49
  know, he being pigeonholed because he was a soldier.
• 2:14:51
  So in both cases, she's not attentive to the people who are
• 2:14:54
  in front of her. She's just going with her own
• 2:14:56
  prejudice, right? And by the end, after everything
• 2:14:59
  that happens, she's finally looking beyond herself and she
• 2:15:02
  is listening and empathizing. So she can finally see that the
• 2:15:06
  doctor and the doctor, that the harsh exterior is basically an
• 2:15:09
  armor that he has around himself because there's a great
• 2:15:13
  vulnerability inside because he's so raw.
• 2:15:15
  And she also starts seeing that Danny also, he's in protective
• 2:15:18
  mode and that both men are scared in their own different
• 2:15:22
  ways. And she needs to bridge that if
• 2:15:23
  she wants those relationships to work out.
• 2:15:26
  And she's completely changed by the end because she started
• 2:15:28
  listening. And if that's not a lesson to us
• 2:15:31
  all, particularly certain fans, I don't know what is.
• 2:15:35
  All right, I'm right here, you know?
• 2:15:40
  Oh, Joe, what you're you're swaying me towards.
• 2:15:42
  Listen now, maybe I'll change my mind.
• 2:15:44
  Let's see what everyone else has got to say, Dan.
• 2:15:49
  I've gone for Empress of Mars. It's that great big drill, isn't
• 2:15:57
  it? Well, I love an Ice Warrior, as,
• 2:16:00
  as you know, Joe. Yeah, because God Engine is a
• 2:16:05
  very good book. But yeah, yeah, so I think it's
• 2:16:09
  it's it is quite a mad thing that I realised that when I
• 2:16:12
  picked my 2 that from the runners up and from the winners
• 2:16:18
  that they're both Mark Gatiss scripts, which which is is weird
• 2:16:26
  because because it's not normally someone who I find I
• 2:16:31
  find him quite hit and miss. But I think he writes really,
• 2:16:34
  really well for Capaldi and and the 12th Doctor.
• 2:16:39
  But yeah, that, that, that's by the by.
• 2:16:41
  Really. So I want to go in with the big
• 2:16:45
  guns 1st. And it's not the drill.
• 2:16:48
  It is the fact that we have Alpha Centauri making a cameo at
• 2:16:54
  the very end of the story. Will.
• 2:16:56
  They make. It.
• 2:16:58
  Oh yes, in fact, this might be the beginning of the Martian
• 2:17:03
  Golden Age. Are you receiving US, Mars?
• 2:17:07
  Are you receiving? This is Irexa, Queen Empress.
• 2:17:12
  Of Mars. Ah, excellent.
• 2:17:14
  We have received details of your situation.
• 2:17:17
  We would be happy to send a fleet to your aid at once.
• 2:17:21
  A physical marker of some sort would be appreciated to guide
• 2:17:25
  our ships to. Whom?
• 2:17:26
  Am I speaking? This is Alpha Centauri.
• 2:17:38
  Welcome to the universe. You're so voiced by Yassane
• 2:17:43
  Churchman, who was the original voice during the Perkway era.
• 2:17:47
  And you're not allowed to bring that up without doing an
• 2:17:49
  impression, I'm afraid. I can't.
• 2:17:52
  There's no way I could get that, honey.
• 2:17:54
  I'm really in the nuts. Well, yeah, I might have been
• 2:17:58
  able to do it when I was about 11 or 12, but not now.
• 2:18:04
  Yeah. And to be honest, I think that
• 2:18:07
  is enough for the wind. So I don't know if I need to say
• 2:18:09
  any more really. You don't think about Peter
• 2:18:14
  Capold or anything, just Alpha Centauri, Yeah.
• 2:18:16
  Yeah, yeah. You want more, I'm guessing.
• 2:18:20
  OK, OK, I've got I've got more. I'm I'm teasing.
• 2:18:26
  So what I like about this, yes, it is a very traditional Doctor
• 2:18:31
  Who is probably one of the most traditional Doctor Who's from
• 2:18:35
  this era, I would say possibly knew who.
• 2:18:38
  But then it is a Mark Gatiss script.
• 2:18:39
  So he he kind of that that that was his his thing, wasn't it?
• 2:18:44
  I love the way it starts off with a mystery that, you know,
• 2:18:47
  we're there in the, you know, Mission Control of NASA and you
• 2:18:55
  know, we've got the, the, the rock formation of God Save the
• 2:18:58
  Queen. You've got, you know, you're
• 2:19:00
  thinking, well, the, the viewers thinking, what does that mean?
• 2:19:04
  How did that get there? But also the doctor Nardo and
• 2:19:07
  Bill were thinking that as well. So they go off to discover that.
• 2:19:10
  And I, I, I think really, it's one of those things that plays
• 2:19:16
  to all the things that I really, really love.
• 2:19:19
  It's an, I just love the fact that Victorian British soldiers
• 2:19:27
  could get to Mars. That is just a an amazing kind
• 2:19:31
  of kind of concept and I love. To who, isn't it?
• 2:19:36
  Yeah, yeah, because there's need, EDA isn't there with Peter
• 2:19:42
  Davidson and Turlo. Oh, Imperial Moon, Yeah.
• 2:19:45
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah. That's.
• 2:19:47
  Where? It is as fun as this though.
• 2:19:48
  No, no, no, no, but Oh no, no, it isn't.
• 2:19:53
  But you know, I just love those visuals of the fact that their
• 2:19:57
  space suits look very much like those very old fashioned diving
• 2:20:02
  diving suits. And you've got like the.
• 2:20:05
  You've got like the gramophone kind of speaker that that for
• 2:20:09
  the, you know, and I just really love those kind of little,
• 2:20:12
  little, little things like that, you know, so, so it's great to
• 2:20:15
  find that you've got these Victorians on on Mars and
• 2:20:20
  they've got this kind of steampunky kind of kind of get
• 2:20:24
  up a bit, you know, that's a great visual.
• 2:20:28
  I, I, as I say, I really love the ice warriors.
• 2:20:32
  They're probably my favorite returning alien species.
• 2:20:37
  I, I don't know why, because a lot of the time the stories that
• 2:20:40
  they're in aren't very good, but I, I, I really like them.
• 2:20:43
  And I think this is, this is an example of new who taking an old
• 2:20:48
  monkster look and, and making it better.
• 2:20:53
  And I don't think that always happens, you know?
• 2:20:55
  Hello, hello, the Zygons. That woman.
• 2:20:58
  What? What's that woman's name?
• 2:20:59
  She looks fabulous. That ice.
• 2:21:02
  Ice only, is it? Oh God.
• 2:21:05
  Araxa, isn't it Araxa? Yeah, You know, so, so I, I and
• 2:21:10
  it and it and it's the first time we ever see the Ice
• 2:21:14
  Warriors on Mars as well. So that's that's really cool.
• 2:21:17
  Like you say, that's the first time we see a female Ice
• 2:21:22
  Warrior. We've seen the Ice Lords, the,
• 2:21:24
  the, the normal, I swear he is. But we've, we've actually got,
• 2:21:26
  you know, an Empress. She's just a Bill, Dan.
• 2:21:30
  Oh, these noisy men. Noisy men, will you please help
• 2:21:35
  them? Make a decision, please, Bill.
• 2:21:37
  Yeah. And I think that I think that's
• 2:21:39
  really good because, because I love, I think it's quite a good
• 2:21:42
  story for Bill because there is that element of the Empress
• 2:21:46
  going, well, what do you think? You're a female.
• 2:21:48
  What do you think? Because everyone else is male,
• 2:21:51
  you know, sort of thing. And I think that's really cool.
• 2:21:53
  I love that line. When is it Godsaker's laughing
• 2:21:58
  at the thought that that a, a policewoman could, could be a
• 2:22:01
  thing. And then she's going, I'm going
• 2:22:04
  to make allowances for your Victorian values because.
• 2:22:07
  You are Victorian. You.
• 2:22:08
  Know, I just think that's a really good line.
• 2:22:12
  It's witty, isn't it? Yeah.
• 2:22:14
  Witty writer. Yeah.
• 2:22:16
  And, and also, I think I like that, that redemption story, for
• 2:22:19
  for God's sake. So obviously he, he was an
• 2:22:23
  officer in the army. He got, they attempted to hang
• 2:22:28
  him for cowardness. And, you know, for whatever
• 2:22:33
  reason, it didn't, it didn't kill him.
• 2:22:35
  He found the Ice Warriors and he ends up in charge of more people
• 2:22:39
  and more more soldiers and the fact that when when the ice
• 2:22:44
  warriors are coming up through the ground again, he he he he
• 2:22:48
  goes to pieces and and legs it, but he does come back and and
• 2:22:54
  obviously stops catch love, who's another mustache twirling
• 2:22:59
  villain in the in the kind of that kind of style.
• 2:23:03
  And yeah, you know, but but and then, then, you know, obviously
• 2:23:08
  he he sort of, I guess he wants Araxa to kind of finish, finish
• 2:23:15
  the job really, you know, to because he feels that he hasn't
• 2:23:18
  made the most of his second chance.
• 2:23:22
  And because of his, you know, actually standing up and being
• 2:23:26
  heroic at that point, she kind of gives him a third chance.
• 2:23:30
  And he has this opportunity to to help the Ice Warriors kind of
• 2:23:34
  kind of rebuild. And I think that that's really
• 2:23:36
  quite a nice, a nice sort of story and like, say, ends on a
• 2:23:42
  high because we get our man or what?
• 2:23:46
  No Gen. the neutral what? Is it?
• 2:23:49
  Yeah, hermaphrodite hex. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:23:54
  Coming back, we get Alpha Centauri.
• 2:23:55
  I mean, I mean, who was actually expecting that when we when we
• 2:24:00
  first watched it? Because.
• 2:24:01
  And it's just like. Oh yes.
• 2:24:03
  That's a great. Yeah, when the macro came back,
• 2:24:06
  I literally had the same reaction.
• 2:24:07
  When I saw our episode tomorrow, I was like.
• 2:24:09
  Yes, yes, yeah. So there's a lot to love here.
• 2:24:13
  I know it isn't one that is popular amongst fans, but.
• 2:24:17
  You love it. That's.
• 2:24:18
  What? I love it.
• 2:24:19
  It's another fun story, another fun sort of rompy kind of, you
• 2:24:25
  know, thing. Yes, it isn't dark as some of
• 2:24:27
  these other ones. And and yeah, again, if logic
• 2:24:31
  was to prevail, I'll probably would be going to listen or, or
• 2:24:35
  whatever. But for me, I really enjoy this
• 2:24:39
  one. So this is the one I'm pushing
• 2:24:41
  forward. But yeah.
• 2:24:43
  I can't believe you didn't mention people getting turned
• 2:24:45
  into bouncy balls. Oh, I mean, that is the best
• 2:24:48
  thing about that whole episode. See, that's one he knows better
• 2:24:51
  than to mention. Balls in front of you, Yeah.
• 2:24:55
  We have met fans. I mean, what's great visual
• 2:24:58
  though? Really.
• 2:24:58
  All the limbs sort of go in. They got boring boring, boring.
• 2:25:02
  Funny, I think that's one thing I was a little bit disappointed
• 2:25:05
  with because I kind of like that old school, sort of like wibbly
• 2:25:08
  wobbly. Of the mirror long.
• 2:25:10
  Yeah, yeah. I don't see why they couldn't
• 2:25:13
  have kept that, but hey, you know.
• 2:25:15
  Well, shall we find out if we've saved the best till last our
• 2:25:20
  Fraser? Now, Fraser, I just want to
• 2:25:22
  remind you the position you're in right now and given you're
• 2:25:25
  making the choice, I better start the camp music, right,
• 2:25:30
  Fraser, you, you're either going to let last Christmas win
• 2:25:32
  because it has two votes already, or you're going to put
• 2:25:35
  in a vote for Listen or Empress of Mars and it'll be a deadlock,
• 2:25:41
  in which case the person that didn't vote for those two will
• 2:25:44
  have to make the choice. Or you're just going to go for
• 2:25:46
  something else entirely and just be a typical you listen.
• 2:25:50
  I mean, it's last Christmas. It's it's not the best Peter
• 2:25:56
  Capaldi Christmas special. There's there's 2 better than
• 2:25:59
  it, Mysterio and husband's a bit of a song.
• 2:26:03
  Why? Why did we put up with him on
• 2:26:05
  our respective podcast? I mean, you've got the patience
• 2:26:07
  of a St. and I do too. I mean, yes, you've come on the
• 2:26:11
  both of us have talked about last Christmas, and yet not one
• 2:26:14
  of us has mentioned the one thing that would possibly swear
• 2:26:17
  me to vote me for it, which is Danny Pink.
• 2:26:20
  Not one of yours for. Who in that Santa costume?
• 2:26:22
  Yeah, Danny Pink's in this one. Let's let's mention him.
• 2:26:24
  So shame on you guys. But listen, Empress of Mars,
• 2:26:32
  ultimately, you know, I can't sit here and say I'm going to
• 2:26:35
  vote for either one of those just to stop last Christmas from
• 2:26:40
  winning because ultimately listen, I have a few wishes with
• 2:26:45
  listen. I think listen has got some of
• 2:26:47
  the single stand out scariest moments in all of Doctor Who
• 2:26:51
  full stop in it. It's also got a lovely ROM com
• 2:26:55
  bit with me, man, Danny Pink in it.
• 2:26:57
  And it's also got this sort of delve into law, into the
• 2:27:02
  doctor's childhood. I just don't think all three of
• 2:27:05
  those belong in the same episode, which is the feeling I
• 2:27:08
  got the last time I watched. Listen, Empress of Mars, yes, I
• 2:27:14
  agree with everything that's said about that.
• 2:27:17
  You know, it's great fun. You know, Victorian soldiers on
• 2:27:22
  Mars having tea and cake being served by an ice warrior.
• 2:27:25
  I mean, there's just so much to enjoy about there.
• 2:27:28
  But again, you know, it's, it's interesting that we've got all
• 2:27:33
  three of marketers scripts for Capaldi in the final for this
• 2:27:37
  and again members. Underrated writer, you know?
• 2:27:41
  Yeah. The two going into this that was
• 2:27:44
  sticking out was there is 2 stories there that were like
• 2:27:47
  these ones are sticking out as the ones.
• 2:27:49
  So I was like which which one should I go for?
• 2:27:51
  Should I go for the one where you know the doctor makes the
• 2:27:54
  companion decide whether the the poor innocent creature lives and
• 2:27:58
  dies and they have this big emotional blowout or that I go
• 2:28:04
  for kill the moon instead. Ultimately my, my gut says go
• 2:28:14
  for kill the moon because, you know, again, you know, listen
• 2:28:18
  back to the episode you guys talked so much about that final
• 2:28:21
  scene where you know, the, the the doctors made Chloe make the
• 2:28:25
  choice in the back of the Taurus and he realizes he done fucked
• 2:28:28
  up. You know, he's literally on the
• 2:28:31
  stairs and you can just see his face just drop as he realizes I
• 2:28:35
  have got this so, so long. Any back pedals and he tries to
• 2:28:38
  get himself, he tries to explain his way out of it and he just
• 2:28:41
  feels miserably. And it's that wonderful line.
• 2:28:43
  He said, I will slap you so hard you will regenerate that you
• 2:28:47
  know that it's just those two are the very, very best that
• 2:28:51
  they are. But there's so much else to
• 2:28:54
  enjoy in that episode. I love the very start of it.
• 2:28:56
  I love Doctor Who, you know, and you know, the TARDIS lands on
• 2:29:00
  the space which is about to land on the moon.
• 2:29:02
  And, you know, the Doctor comes out and he's in his red space
• 2:29:06
  suit and, you know, rather than just flashing the psychic paper
• 2:29:10
  or anything, he talks his way in the confidence of these people.
• 2:29:13
  And he is hopping around testing the gravity.
• 2:29:16
  And he is just using his words. And he kind of sledgehammers
• 2:29:20
  them into just saying, I am the Doctor.
• 2:29:21
  I am here. I will, whatever is going on, I
• 2:29:23
  will help you with this. And that bit's just brilliant.
• 2:29:28
  You know, this the spider, I hate spiders.
• 2:29:30
  I'm freaked out by all the spider stuff going on.
• 2:29:34
  You have this little horror thing, but then you get to the
• 2:29:36
  real story that's being told you thank you.
• 2:29:40
  Which is all about the choice. You know, it's it's the Doctor
• 2:29:45
  making club. I make this choice as to what
• 2:29:48
  the what she's going to do. That's that's the crux of the
• 2:29:51
  story. The moon is an egg, so fuck it
• 2:29:54
  means nothing. Right.
• 2:29:56
  It's just it's, it's so inconsequential to the the
• 2:29:59
  actual story and everyone gets hung up.
• 2:30:02
  I know. Well, the moon's an egg.
• 2:30:03
  That's just a stupid plot thing. It's.
• 2:30:04
  Not the police box is an interdimensional time machine.
• 2:30:08
  You know, like, get over it. I mean, there's there's so much.
• 2:30:11
  I mean, we could we could wheel Jason Thompson and just place
• 2:30:14
  the talk and head and just get to see all the signs.
• 2:30:16
  That's why Wheeling back out again.
• 2:30:17
  But if you're going. To do that.
• 2:30:20
  That's not the point, man Doctor Who is is littered with
• 2:30:23
  inaccurate science and, you know, plot holes and things
• 2:30:26
  going wrong. Look at what the story is doing.
• 2:30:29
  Look, this is we've said this is the series of life said this is
• 2:30:32
  this the era that examines the count of the doctor more than
• 2:30:35
  any, you know, this is this is the 7th doctor element of him
• 2:30:39
  coming out and just being laid bare and being gotten so wrong.
• 2:30:44
  It's just it's electrifying stuff that whole that whole
• 2:30:47
  point and the the resolution is is so perfect.
• 2:30:50
  I think it's undersold completely by mummy on the
• 2:30:52
  express coming up. But that's not this episode's
• 2:30:55
  fault. This one gets it, gets it so
• 2:30:57
  right. So, you know, I was going to be
• 2:30:59
  like all about kill the Moon and then then we'll put Robot a
• 2:31:01
  Sherwood through and you know, fuck it, if I'm going to.
• 2:31:03
  If I'm going to this better not be a prelude for robot or show
• 2:31:07
  being your I've. Already said what I'm going to
• 2:31:08
  say about robot or Sherwood. I think it's fantastic it's it's
• 2:31:10
  so much more fun so let's vote for that last Christmas is going
• 2:31:14
  to win because I'm going to vote for something different but I
• 2:31:17
  will go out on my models and I will say out of the suppose it
• 2:31:23
  123457 stories the the one that if I was to turn this recording
• 2:31:30
  off and go and watch a Peter Capaldi episode out of those
• 2:31:32
  seven it would be robot of Sherwood.
• 2:31:34
  I would have the best time with spoons and fucking golden arrows
• 2:31:39
  at the end and and all the rest of it and yeah for me please.
• 2:31:43
  Such a shame you said that, phraser, because you know what?
• 2:31:46
  You were so beguiling then. I was about to be the worm
• 2:31:48
  turning. I was going to move my vote
• 2:31:51
  across to kill the moon and it would have won the episode.
• 2:31:54
  Although I just. No, no, no.
• 2:31:56
  You've made your choice, I'm afraid.
• 2:31:59
  What if you can change your? Mind I can change my mind?
• 2:32:00
  Oh, actually you can actually. Yeah, call them.
• 2:32:02
  Let's do kill the moon. I'll still kill the moon.
• 2:32:05
  Well, I've changed my mind again then, because just to keep the
• 2:32:07
  suspense going just a little bit longer now.
• 2:32:10
  Now. Last Christmas.
• 2:32:11
  Yeah. And listen.
• 2:32:13
  And kill the moon. So not Empress of Mars.
• 2:32:16
  Let's be serious. Those three right are just all
• 2:32:19
  bangers. Are they absolute bangers?
• 2:32:21
  Now, please, will each of you give me one reason, man, I've
• 2:32:25
  got. I could choose anyone.
• 2:32:26
  Jomana, listen. Just one reason.
• 2:32:27
  Anything. Oh dear God, can I, can I not go
• 2:32:32
  first? Oh, OK, Mark, last Christmas.
• 2:32:36
  I mean, I don't need much convincing.
• 2:32:37
  Look at you, but come on. I think Dan Starkey is another
• 2:32:43
  brilliant person that we didn't mention in last Christmas.
• 2:32:45
  He's great as one of the elves. He's absolutely here.
• 2:32:47
  Is he called Wolf or something like that?
• 2:32:49
  It's brilliant. Is a great reason Fraser killed
• 2:32:52
  the moon. Mining Novice is also excellent
• 2:32:56
  in Killed the Moon and this lends a very interesting dynamic
• 2:33:00
  when the choice is being made by the three sort of generations of
• 2:33:04
  women making that decision as to the future of the moon.
• 2:33:09
  You've just reminded me I can't bear her in that episode.
• 2:33:11
  Kill the moon's out, Jomana. Terrifying.
• 2:33:14
  Terrifying. It's terrifying.
• 2:33:16
  It is terrifying, especially if you came home to bed, you know,
• 2:33:19
  you went up to bed and something was on the bed with the sheets
• 2:33:22
  over it like. Don't, don't I?
• 2:33:24
  I'm going to have to turn the lights off.
• 2:33:26
  Oh, yeah, you're home alone today, aren't you?
• 2:33:28
  Always forgetting. Oh, you've got out of bed and
• 2:33:30
  somebody grabbed your foot. I mean, Jesus Christ.
• 2:33:33
  Oh, shit my pants. Oh God.
• 2:33:35
  Last Christmas or listen. Last Christmas.
• 2:33:37
  Or listen. They're both buffets as well.
• 2:33:40
  Yeah, and, And listen, listen, it's got Danny Pink in it that
• 2:33:44
  killed the moon. Last Christmas has also got
• 2:33:46
  Danny Pink. Yeah, you don't like you don't
• 2:33:48
  like Danny Pink. But Danny Pink is really likable
• 2:33:51
  in Last Christmas because he's not actually Danny Pink.
• 2:33:53
  He's sort of fantasy Danny Pink in.
• 2:33:55
  Fantasy Danny Pink. Yeah, but.
• 2:33:58
  You have double Danny Pink in medicine because you have
• 2:34:01
  awesome pink and you have Rupert thing.
• 2:34:03
  Oh, it's. Full of an amazing sequence in
• 2:34:05
  the future with something banging on the doors.
• 2:34:08
  Bang Bang bang. Oh my God I've got to make a
• 2:34:12
  choice. This Camp Suspense music has
• 2:34:13
  been going for far. Too long.
• 2:34:15
  Now I know what we can do. We can all turn our lights off
• 2:34:17
  to help you decide. Just like and kill the moon.
• 2:34:22
  No. Oh no, sure.
• 2:34:23
  No, I just remembered the line. This is the clincher.
• 2:34:27
  I've just remembered the line. It's so muffy as well.
• 2:34:33
  What is it? I will mark you, Santa says.
• 2:34:36
  Shona. Last Christmas is our winner.
• 2:34:40
  If Santa was only in the dream, why was he on my roof?
• 2:34:49
  4 4 patients, 4 manuals Do you know what I hate about the
• 2:35:00
  obvious? What?
• 2:35:02
  Missing it, Matthew were not saluted.
• 2:35:11
  You're the same people as before of.
• 2:35:13
  Course they are. Oh.
• 2:35:13
  Sorry I deleted you well. That's not a very nice attitude,
• 2:35:16
  is it? 4 Manual, Jess.
• 2:35:20
  Yes, Why? One each, one each.
• 2:35:22
  Yes, what's the problem? Well, the problem is you can't
• 2:35:25
  see the problem. What instance?
• 2:35:27
  You gotta be 1. I have a name actually.
• 2:35:30
  Doesn't matter, I don't need it. When we first met you in the
• 2:35:33
  Infirmary, what were you doing? It's a long story.
• 2:35:36
  Uptight boss one, What is the primary mission of this polar
• 2:35:40
  base? It's a long story.
• 2:35:42
  Sexy 1 What brings you to the North Pole?
• 2:35:45
  Your age. It's a long.
• 2:35:47
  Story. OK, why are they all giving the
• 2:35:50
  same answer? Because that is a tiny bit
• 2:35:51
  freaky. Everything that's freaky.
• 2:35:53
  Try this. We were in the TARDIS.
• 2:35:56
  Why did we come here? It's a long story.
• 2:36:03
  Doctor. Dreams.
• 2:36:05
  They're funny, they're disjointed, they're silly,
• 2:36:11
  they're full of gaps. But you don't notice because the
• 2:36:15
  dream protects itself, stops you asking the right questions.
• 2:36:19
  For example, why do you have 4 manuals, one each, when you have
• 2:36:23
  a crew of eight? What did you forget about your
• 2:36:28
  friends and the infirmity here? But we woke up.
• 2:36:32
  Dreams within dreams, I warned you.
• 2:36:35
  This isn't a dream. I know it isn't.
• 2:36:36
  No one knows they're not dreaming, not one of us, not
• 2:36:40
  ever, Not for one single one of our lives.
• 2:36:45
  Clara page number make it a good one. 12.
• 2:36:53
  Very. Very, very.
• 2:37:00
  Hey. Come on, that is a great light.
• 2:37:02
  Although to be fair, some worthy winners there.
• 2:37:05
  But wouldn't you say? Yeah.
• 2:37:08
  They're great, Doctor, and let's be honest, how some of those
• 2:37:11
  Capote episodes weren't in that list, well, it's madness.
• 2:37:15
  It's it's strictly. It is strictly.
• 2:37:17
  I wouldn't have been disappointed with Listen winning
• 2:37:19
  because I did champion that I think in the season 8 A 1, so
• 2:37:24
  yes. I adore a lot.
• 2:37:26
  I think it's pure genius. You know that Chardis has all
• 2:37:29
  got candles in it at the start. I listen, you know, the camera
• 2:37:32
  sort of sweeping around dark music.
• 2:37:34
  Well, everybody, Last Christmas goes into our finale of finales
• 2:37:40
  alongside School Reunion and Mind warp guy dread to think
• 2:37:50
  what's going to come out of the other doctors because, you know,
• 2:37:53
  I do want you to get some sleep tonight.
• 2:37:55
  Let's very quickly tell everybody where we are online
• 2:37:59
  should they wish to come and find us or podcasts or anything
• 2:38:01
  you want to plug. Mark, I believe you do a bit of
• 2:38:04
  podcasting. Yes, you can.
• 2:38:06
  You can hear me on the Trap One podcast, which assembles a new
• 2:38:10
  group of fans each week to form a panel to talk about a new
• 2:38:13
  release or event from the world of Doctor Who.
• 2:38:16
  And you can find me on Twitter or Blue Sky is at
• 2:38:20
  Quarkmarkmiles. I just very quickly say as well,
• 2:38:23
  you mentioned when we talked about Empress and Mars there
• 2:38:25
  about Victorians on the moon. There's a brilliant trilogy of
• 2:38:28
  Paul Mars books. I think it's called something
• 2:38:31
  like The Lost Girl on Mars or something like that.
• 2:38:35
  I don't think it's that well known, but they're absolutely
• 2:38:37
  brilliant. And you know, if you talk to a
• 2:38:39
  fan, you're probably familiar with Paul Mars writing, which is
• 2:38:41
  always fantastic, but I would seek those out because they're
• 2:38:44
  along that vein as well. You only have to say Paul Mars
• 2:38:48
  and I was sold. Fraser, where can't people find
• 2:38:53
  you on podcasts? No way, I think I've everywhere
• 2:38:58
  now. So you can find me on the dying
• 2:39:01
  embers of Twitter at at Felix Razor or one merge Razor with
• 2:39:04
  AZ. You can find me likewise on Blue
• 2:39:07
  Sky as well. There.
• 2:39:09
  Don't do that though. What I would do want to.
• 2:39:11
  What's the word I'm looking for? Plug.
• 2:39:17
  Plug yes, that's it. I want to plug the YouTube
• 2:39:20
  channel. It's app Doughnut, so it's it's
• 2:39:24
  without the the comma in it under score AP donut AP DOHNUT,
• 2:39:32
  which is my autistic son that I mentioned.
• 2:39:35
  He has got a YouTube channel. Now what he's doing is he's
• 2:39:39
  playing his Roblox videos. He's videoing them and his mum
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  is putting them online every day.
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  So please make a 7 year old child very happy by going and
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  watching some of his videos. Like and subscribe, as the kids
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  will say, you'll make his day. You really will.
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  Bloody love doughnuts. I'm there, Chamana.
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  I'm on bluesky@majnuna.com MAJNOUNA.
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  I'm on Instagram at Jou majnuna JOUMAJNOUNA.
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  Given you are so tired, well done.
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  And also keep an eye out all right for the continuing series
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  of Gallifrey interviews. All right, Miles Richardson
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  coming this Sunday. And last but never, never leads
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  the man who is creating the spectacular artwork for the new
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  Hamster Book Club. Dad, Hello.
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  Yeah, I'm on the Hamster Book Club, one of the many groups on
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  there. I'm on that reasonably
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  regularly, and that's pretty much me podcast wise.
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  But I can be found lurking, loitering about on, on most
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  social media platforms. And it could be some variation
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  of Devon Dan or whatever, something like that.
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  I don't know exactly what they are, but yeah, yeah, come and
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  check, check me out. Yeah.
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  Because there'd be some, there'd be some artwork appearing within
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  the next month. Yeah.
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  It's. Gorgeous.
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  Well, everybody, thank you so much for coming on and
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  celebrating this wonderful era of Doctor Who, this fantastic
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  actor, and this terrific incarnation of the Doctor.
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  I mean, we've been extremely positive, except for those
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  idiots who left all the comments really mean and ruined our
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  episode for us. Don't you worry, I can still
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  edit some of them out. I think we should sort of end
• 2:41:38
  the episode. We'll go into the music with us
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  all doing a Peter Capaldi Dr. quote, shall we?
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  Right, Fraser, you go first. I'll go last.
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  Oh, for God's sakes. All right, I'll go first.
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  It's a a hybrid Dan. My mind has gone blank.
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  That's not the quote. You've got three bloody seasons
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  to quote from. I know, I know, but I don't
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  remember stuff like that. Mark.
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  I just like punching about on a big plane.
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  Jamana, can you do us as convincing of Peter Capaldi?
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  Oh, I can do the impersonation, but I can I can do the quote.
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  Yeah, your hips are fine. You're a bit like a man.
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  And frighter, see us out. Well, I won't do the impression,
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  but I will say never be cruel, never be cowardly, and never
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  ever eat pears. Remember, hate is always foolish
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  and love is always wise. Always try to be nice, but never
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  fail to be kind. Laugh hard.
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  Oh. God, you're still going, Jesus.
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  Be kind, hamster, I let you go. That was the longest dramatic
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  pause in history. I'll cut it there.
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  The. The.