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Bill Clinton And The Transcript From His Epstein Related Interview With Congress (Part 8) (8/28/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off with Bill Clinton and his transcripts
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  Speaker 1: from his conversation with Congress. Doing the questioning now is
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  Speaker 1: John McGuire. In your opening statement you talked about preventing
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  Speaker 1: future or more human trafficking in our country and I
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  Speaker 1: agree with that. I think that's one of the big
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  Speaker 1: purposes here today. Today we hope we can get Justice
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  Speaker 1: for the victims, have accountability, and transparency. Just curious, have
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  Speaker 1: you read the Epstein files that have been released? Bill Clinton, no.
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  Speaker 1: I have read many news stories about them, but I
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  Speaker 1: have not read them all. Question, and how many Epstein
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  Speaker 1: files do you recall were released during the Biden administration? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Bill Clinton, how many? Dave Kendall, if
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  Speaker 1: you know. Bill Clinton, I don't know. John McGuire, zero.
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  Speaker 1: and how many Epstein files have been released during President
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  Speaker 1: Trump's second term. Bill Clinton, thanks to Congress and the victims,
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  Speaker 1: quite a number. John McGuire, over 3 million. Now, as president,
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  Speaker 1: you're chief executive for the U.S. And as we get
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  Speaker 1: to the end of this, I'm going to ask you
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  Speaker 1: what we could do to prevent, because I think that's
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  Speaker 1: what we all care about, is what we could do
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  Speaker 1: to prevent more human trafficking type stuff. So let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about Kevin Spacey for a second. In a June 2024
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  Speaker 1: interview on Piers Morgan, Kevin Spacey recounted noticing young girls
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  Speaker 1: on the flight and expressed he didn't want to be
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  Speaker 1: around this guy Epstein because he felt he put the
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  Speaker 1: president at risk on that trip to South Africa because
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  Speaker 1: there were these young girls. So did Mr. Spacey ever
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  Speaker 1: communicate these concerns with you directly? Bill Clinton, not that
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  Speaker 1: I recall, no. Question, did anyone else express similar concerns
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  Speaker 1: about these young people? Answer, no. Question, Do you agree
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  Speaker 1: with Mr. Spacey's characterization that these young girls on the
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  Speaker 1: flights were concerned? Cheryl Mills, I'm sorry, what exactly is
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  Speaker 1: the characterization that Mr. Spacey gave? McGuire, that these young
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  Speaker 1: girls would put the president at risk. Cheryl Mills, so
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  Speaker 1: that's Mr. Spacey's concern? And you're asking him whether or
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  Speaker 1: not Mr. Spacey said that, shared that with him? McGuire, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Would he agree with that? Bill Clinton, I had no
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  Speaker 1: reason to believe that at the time. Question, okay, did
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  Speaker 1: you ever feel uncomfortable due to the presence of young
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  Speaker 1: girls on any of these flights? Cheryl Mills once again
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  Speaker 1: jumps in. When you say young girls, do you mean
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  Speaker 1: women younger than 18? And so you're saying there were
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  Speaker 1: women younger than 18? McGuire, I'm asking, yeah. Were there
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  Speaker 1: anybody on those flights that you can recall under the
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  Speaker 1: age of 18? Bill Clinton, to the best of my knowledge,
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  Speaker 1: there was not. If there was, and I knew it,
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  Speaker 1: I would be uncomfortable. McGuire, that answered. All right. Did
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  Speaker 1: you ever speak with or otherwise engage with? Well, I
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  Speaker 1: think you just answered young girls on the flights, so
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  Speaker 1: I'll move on. Ron Burkle, do you know him? Answer, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: all right. Ron Burkle commented on Epstein is Creepy. I
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  Speaker 1: would like to introduce majority exhibit. What's the number? 21.
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  Speaker 1: Majority exhibit, 21, page 5. The paragraph at the top
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  Speaker 1: of the page, the last sentence, if you would take
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  Speaker 1: a look at that. Cheryl Mills, can you say what
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  Speaker 1: page again? McGuire, sure. Page five, the paragraph at the top,
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  Speaker 1: the last sentence. Mills, if you can give us a
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  Speaker 1: minute to read it, that'd be great. McGuire, sure. So
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  Speaker 1: they get through it, they read it. Now McGuire says,
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  Speaker 1: so the question would be this. I understand you didn't
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  Speaker 1: know anything about it, but let me ask the question.
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  Speaker 1: You have no memory of this occurring, correct? Dave Kendall
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  Speaker 1: jumps in, another lawyer for the president. Excuse me, are
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  Speaker 1: you talking about Ron Burkle saying to the president? McGuire, well,
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  Speaker 1: let me read the whole thing. Sources close to Burkle,
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  Speaker 1: it says, he was invited by Clinton, assumed the rod
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  Speaker 1: was vetted, and flew home on a commercial jet after
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  Speaker 1: finding Epstein to be creepy. It appears he saw that
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  Speaker 1: and he flew home early, but that might be as
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  Speaker 1: it may. Do you have any memory of this occurring?
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, I do not. Question, why do you think
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  Speaker 1: that Mr. Burkle would think that Epstein is creepy? Cheryl Mills,
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  Speaker 1: are you asking for? David Kendall objects. Objection, speculative. He
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  Speaker 1: can't know that. Bill Clinton, I don't know. Some people
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  Speaker 1: thought I shouldn't fly with him. Question, did you witness
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  Speaker 1: anything unusual with Epstein that would lead you to believe
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  Speaker 1: that Epstein was creepy? Answer, no. I never saw him
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  Speaker 1: do anything that was suspicious. Question, and you don't recall Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Burkle leaving the trip early to fly home commercially? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question? Sure. So who else in your circle?
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  Speaker 1: Because one of the concerns I have is how did
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  Speaker 1: somebody who was convicted of trafficking humans, how did he
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  Speaker 1: infiltrate the highest level of government? If we could get
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  Speaker 1: an idea or a lesson learned, we could prevent that
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  Speaker 1: from happening again. Who in your circle, while you were
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  Speaker 1: president or after in the Clinton Foundation? Who else do
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  Speaker 1: you think that we should question here? Cheryl Mills, can
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  Speaker 1: you just clarify one thing? You said, who had been convicted?
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't convicted at the time. McGuire, Epstein, Mills, yeah. McGuire, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking afterwards. So people that were associated with him. Mills,
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  Speaker 1: after he was convicted. McGuire, one of the questions would be,
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  Speaker 1: is why do you think Epstein visited the White House
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  Speaker 1: so much? Mills, so he was convicted in 2000 and what, eight? McGuire,
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  Speaker 1: I will at least have to look at my notes. Question. Question.
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  Speaker 1: or answer by Mills, and he visited the White House
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  Speaker 1: in the 90s. So I'm just trying to make sure
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  Speaker 1: you're not speaking to before he was convicted. You're talking
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  Speaker 1: about after he was convicted? McGuire? So let me go back.
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  Speaker 1: So the thing is, he went to the White House
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  Speaker 1: so many times, and he is connected to the world
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  Speaker 1: leaders all over the place. Many people have resigned as
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  Speaker 1: a result of the Epstein files. So I'm just asking
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  Speaker 1: a neutral question. And based on your experience as a
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  Speaker 1: world leader, what could we do to prevent predators like
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  Speaker 1: this from infiltrating the highest levels of the American government.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, well, when someone knows about it, they should
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  Speaker 1: report it, and there should be a system set up
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  Speaker 1: to act on it. Question, well, I agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: Is it true that in 2013, Ms. Maxwell was a
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  Speaker 1: guest at the Clinton Global Initiative Conference? Bill Clinton, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. When's the last year we had it? Cheryl Mills,
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  Speaker 1: 2013 is one of the years they're asking whether or
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  Speaker 1: not she was there. Bill Clinton, off the top of
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  Speaker 1: my head, I don't know. Question, well, I understand. that
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  Speaker 1: she also attended your daughter's wedding. Bill Clinton, she did. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and so understanding now, the unspeakable evil that these people committed.
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe it was a mistake allowing them close
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  Speaker 1: to your family? Cheryl Mills, are you asking if you
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  Speaker 1: knew at the time when she was at the wedding?
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  Speaker 1: McGuire looking back. Clinton looking back, I had no idea.
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  Speaker 1: If I had known what she was doing, I would
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  Speaker 1: have done the right thing. Question, I understand. Bill Clinton
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  Speaker 1: jumps in, but also keep in mind I felt bad
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  Speaker 1: for Ted Wade. who was a very close friend of mine,
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  Speaker 1: and I never had any doubt about him and still don't. McGuire,
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  Speaker 1: Roger that. Well, I think we would agree that we
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  Speaker 1: all want justice for the victims. We all want transparency
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  Speaker 1: and accountability. We want to strengthen our anti-human trafficking laws.
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  Speaker 1: President Trump has secured the border and gone after the
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  Speaker 1: cartels and even passed legislation to help human trafficking victims.
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  Speaker 1: What other legislation could we do based on your experience
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  Speaker 1: that would help stop trafficking in America, if not the world? Clinton, well, first,
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  Speaker 1: you need to ask people who know more about how
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  Speaker 1: to get people over it. I mean, there's already been
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  Speaker 1: large numbers of dollars put into settlements, but I think
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  Speaker 1: there must be damages to people that will take a
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  Speaker 1: lifetime to heal. So I think there needs to be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of study on that. And I think there's
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  Speaker 1: hotlines that where people make reports need to be taken seriously,
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  Speaker 1: and you need to follow up on them. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that the more we talk about it, the less
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  Speaker 1: likely it is another big network will form. McGuire, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for answering my questions. Bill Clinton, I think you're
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  Speaker 1: doing good. Just having us talk about it is important.
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  Speaker 1: Next will be Mr. Grotham from Wisconsin. Cheryl Mills, can
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  Speaker 1: we get a time check? Answer, you have approximately 15 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Approximately 15 minutes remain. Clinton, okay. Hello, sir. Hello, Mr. President.
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  Speaker 1: Was Jeffrey Epstein on? You apparently took 26 flights on
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  Speaker 1: planes connected to Jeffrey Epstein. Was he on every flight
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  Speaker 1: you were on? Bill Clinton, was he on every flight
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  Speaker 1: I was on? Question, yeah. Bill Clinton, that's a good question.
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  Speaker 1: If you know, there's a flight manifest, but do you know?
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, there'll be a record of it, but I
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  Speaker 1: think he was, or certainly on most of them. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you think he was? Well, that's okay. Was Glenn Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: on every flight you were on, as far as you remember? Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: same answer. I think she was, but there'll be a
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  Speaker 1: record of it. Question, okay. When you took these flights,
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  Speaker 1: you're saying a lot of them were on behalf of
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  Speaker 1: your foundation or your charitable work, correct? Answer, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: who did you normally bring on these flights? I assume
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  Speaker 1: employees of the foundation, whatever. Clinton, I brought people who
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  Speaker 1: work with me, especially people who would have to follow
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  Speaker 1: up on the fundraising or people who were involved in
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  Speaker 1: my AIDS work. Question, just like I never go anywhere alone,
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  Speaker 1: you never went anywhere alone, right? Clinton, no. And I
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  Speaker 1: had the Secret Service with me. And then on occasion,
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  Speaker 1: I had people who had volunteered to help us and
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  Speaker 1: wanted to see what we were doing. For example, I
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  Speaker 1: think it was on one of these trips, I think
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  Speaker 1: that I had my first trip for the man who's
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  Speaker 1: now governor of Illinois, J.B. Pritzker, and his wife. They
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  Speaker 1: helped me get started. It's all a matter of public record. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know what else is a matter of public record?
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  Speaker 1: Virginia's allegation against Pritzker's relative. That's also a matter of
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  Speaker 1: fucking record. Question, okay, so as far as your normal trips,
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  Speaker 1: could you rattle off, say, to the four or five
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  Speaker 1: people connected to your foundation who you remember were most
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  Speaker 1: frequently on these trips? Or were the most important on
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  Speaker 1: the trips? Could you give us the names? Clinton, well,
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  Speaker 1: Doug Band, Justin Cooper, Ira Magaziner. And I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: who else. I'll be glad to look. Question. We'll give
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  Speaker 1: you a couple seconds to think. I can't remember who
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  Speaker 1: worked for me 10 years ago, so I don't expect you,
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  Speaker 1: but anybody else you can think of? Clinton. It was
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  Speaker 1: 24 years ago. I'd be glad to try and find
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  Speaker 1: out who else was there. Question. Okay. Well, when you
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  Speaker 1: were on the plane, first of all, what did the
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  Speaker 1: plane look like when you got on? Can you describe
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  Speaker 1: what it looked like? Clinton. At first, it looked like
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  Speaker 1: a commercial airplane. Seats on both sides of the aisle.
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  Speaker 1: and typically our crew kind of filled it up for
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  Speaker 1: a few, however many, depending on how many people we had.
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  Speaker 1: We had staff and friends of the foundation and people
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  Speaker 1: who were doing the work. Question, okay, so it's like
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  Speaker 1: a boardroom halfway back? Clinton, yeah. And then we had
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  Speaker 1: Secret Service further back, and that was it. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and how would you spend your time on the flights?
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  Speaker 1: When you went to Asia or Sub-Saharan Africa, those are
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  Speaker 1: quite trips. What would you do on those trips? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: we would spend a fair amount of time talking about
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  Speaker 1: what we were going to do at the next stop.
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  Speaker 1: We worked a lot. Then we read a lot, and
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  Speaker 1: we slept a lot, and we always cut out some
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  Speaker 1: time for card games. Question, okay, I was going to
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  Speaker 1: ask whether you do cards, and you beat me to
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  Speaker 1: the punch. What kind of cards did you play? Bill Clinton, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Helen Harts. Question, Harts, I was a player, so it's good.
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  Speaker 1: You said that the Secret Service was with you every
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  Speaker 1: time you went on these trips? Bill Clinton, every time. Question,
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  Speaker 1: every time? Okay, good. I was never signed off of
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  Speaker 1: Secret Service protection. Question, okay, did the Secret Service, they
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  Speaker 1: screen all the other passengers and pilots as far as
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  Speaker 1: you know? Clinton, they what? Question, screened them. Bill Clinton, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they have everybody's name and background and all of that. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: now I ask you about people that were connected to
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  Speaker 1: the foundation that you brought along, but I take it
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  Speaker 1: if they gave you an airplane and Jeffrey was on it,
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  Speaker 1: it was his staff too, correct? Clinton, yeah, they had
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  Speaker 1: some staff on it. Question, any of these people you remember,
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  Speaker 1: men or women? Clinton, well, I remember Ghislaine was there
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  Speaker 1: and there was always other people that staffed the airplane. Question, right.
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons you're successful is you
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  Speaker 1: deal with the average guy, right? You like to talk
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  Speaker 1: to the average guy. But remember the names of any
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  Speaker 1: of Epstein's staffers that were serving you or that engaged
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  Speaker 1: with banter about? Answer, well, the one we've been talking about. Question,
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  Speaker 1: Shante Davies. Answer, yeah, Shantae. I remember her. Shantae Davies. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody else you talked about? Where are you from? Clinton. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of them. One of them
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  Speaker 1: was from Hawaii and was a military wife. Question, okay. Clinton.
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  Speaker 1: I remember, but I don't remember their names. After 20-something years. Question,
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  Speaker 1: was she Asian? Clinton, no. Question, okay, okay. Was there
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  Speaker 1: any people you remember joining in? This kind of what
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  Speaker 1: spread out over what, four or five years? Or two
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  Speaker 1: or three years, I guess. Two years. Two years on
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  Speaker 1: the flight. Did you ever get to the Virgin Islands
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  Speaker 1: other than on these planes? Have you ever been to
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  Speaker 1: the U.S. Virgin Islands in your life? Clinton, oh yes,
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  Speaker 1: I worked. My foundation did work in the Virgin Islands.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl Mills, and you also vacationed there as president. Clinton, well, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And when I was president, Hillary and I vacationed there.
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  Speaker 1: And we liked it very much. But when we had
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  Speaker 1: hurricane in 2007, 17, excuse me, We went to the
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  Speaker 1: islands and tried to help. My foundation did. And we
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  Speaker 1: did a lot of work there. Grotham, okay, we have
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  Speaker 1: another question. When you read about this, and obviously, these
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  Speaker 1: files have received a lot of public attention. Recently, a
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  Speaker 1: columnist pointed out that one of the main reasons this
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  Speaker 1: human trafficking was allowed to exist is there were lawyers,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes high-priced lawyers, who were able to bring, I guess particularly,
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  Speaker 1: from Eastern Europe, Eastern European girls through here, negotiate the
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  Speaker 1: immigration laws, and such. and particularly some very high-priced famous
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  Speaker 1: lawyers who were hired, and apparently, I know they couldn't
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  Speaker 1: find anything better to do when they left Washington, were
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  Speaker 1: engaged in helping. I guess girls that some people allege
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  Speaker 1: became prostitutes get here from Eastern Europe. Could you comment
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  Speaker 1: on lawyers who make money bringing girls from Eastern Europe
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  Speaker 1: or other places around the world into prostitution? Cheryl Mills, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: just to clarify, you want him to comment on that? Question, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to comment. What do you think of
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  Speaker 1: these people? Mills, you're asking his opinion? Clinton jumps in,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it. Question what? Bill Clinton, I don't
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  Speaker 1: like it, but I don't know much about it. Question,
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  Speaker 1: would you think that, would you? Oh, I'm sorry, I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting the hook. You know how it is, saved by
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  Speaker 1: the bell. Well, why not finish that question? Do you
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  Speaker 1: think if lawyers help legally or illegally people come into
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  Speaker 1: this country for the purpose of prostitution, that they should
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  Speaker 1: be disbarred? Bill Clinton, not unless it's illegal to do it.
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  Speaker 1: If you pass the law, which said it was illegal
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  Speaker 1: to provide representation, notwithstanding the constitutional right. He gets cut
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  Speaker 1: off by Grothman. You think they're sleazy lawyers if they
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  Speaker 1: do it? Can we get you to say that sleazy lawyers?
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  Speaker 1: Can you say they're sleazy? Cheryl Mills, for the record,
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  Speaker 1: we think lawyers are fantastic. Question. Thank you, Mr. President.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here.
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  Speaker 1: And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to pick up where we left off. All the
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