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Mando & Grogu Season 2 Retro Review Part 3 CCLXXVIII · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, I am your host Clay and with me
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  Speaker 2: like every single week except for last week. Well technically
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  Speaker 2: it was still us, just not live it is Katie. Hi, guys, Katie,
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for you know, being the
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  Speaker 2: the social media person right now as my as my
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  Speaker 2: life is slowly going into turmoil. And when I say that,
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  Speaker 2: it's just more so because I don't have time. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Katie was nice enough to let everybody know that we
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  Speaker 2: were not feeling well and there's just something going around. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: something going around. Excuse me. I'm just getting over it.
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  Speaker 2: One of my coworkers got it like hardcore. Like for me,
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  Speaker 2: it was kind of like a gradual thing. I could
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  Speaker 2: slowly feel it coming on, whereas my coworker it just
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  Speaker 2: poof and boom. He had it. So I'm just trying
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  Speaker 2: to now stay away from it so that way I
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  Speaker 2: don't get sick again, because I don't like being sick.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a baby when I'm sick.
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  Speaker 1: Most men are.
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  Speaker 2: But it's hitting Abby pretty hard because she is usually
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  Speaker 2: not the one to complain and kind of just fight
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  Speaker 2: through it and this one is kicking her butt. So
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  Speaker 2: to try and be really quick with tonight's episode, guys,
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  Speaker 2: we don't expect it to be too too long. Again,
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  Speaker 2: our main conversation is going to be our retro review
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  Speaker 2: of the Mandalorian season two, which was supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: last week's but of course we did put that other
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  Speaker 2: retro review out for the Comics and the Game Awards,
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  Speaker 2: which really quick. As our first piece of topic, I
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  Speaker 2: want to do an honorable mention because there is a
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  Speaker 2: possible new planet being introduced in Star Wars Racers. Oh
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  Speaker 2: and I need you to confirm if it's actually a
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  Speaker 2: new planet. Lantana l A n Yeah, lant Anna l
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  Speaker 2: A n A A in.
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  Speaker 1: A A in a.
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  Speaker 2: L a in t a A in a We have
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  Speaker 2: the Wikipedia page.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, the only appearance is in Star Wars Galactic Racer.
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  Speaker 2: New planet confirmed. There is some new footage today shown
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  Speaker 2: by Star Wars Galactic Racer. It said speed through lush
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  Speaker 2: tropical rainforest and pools of volcanic lava on the planet
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  Speaker 2: land Anna. So we're getting new planets, guys. This is
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  Speaker 2: pretty cool. I like the idea of being able to
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  Speaker 2: create lore in this because then in the future, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna read a book or we're going to, uh watch
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  Speaker 2: a movie on the big screen, and we're gonna see
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  Speaker 2: Lantana and we're gonna be like, that's because a galactic racer.
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  Speaker 2: And we now know that the only reason why that
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  Speaker 2: planet exists is because of a video game. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that's really really cool.
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  Speaker 1: And this isn't the first time planets have been created
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  Speaker 1: for video games, but it's always nice to see. I
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  Speaker 1: know we have a ton of planets, guys, but it's
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  Speaker 1: a galaxy far far away. What's one more planet.
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  Speaker 2: I see now? Now, I would hate to be the
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  Speaker 2: poor bastard that now has to edit the galaxy map.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're only doing it in spurts for this
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  Speaker 1: specific reason, Like we have a new planet for Darth
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  Speaker 1: Maul that I'm fairly certain has not been added to true. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so they're probably only doing it like once the year
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  Speaker 1: and going okay, here's where we're updating now. So and
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  Speaker 1: they probably just have one giant meeting this as these
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  Speaker 1: are all the planets we added this year. Where do
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  Speaker 1: they go on the map? That?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would make that would make sense. And I
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  Speaker 2: wonder who gets to choose that, you know, is it
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  Speaker 2: the people who create the planet or is there a like,
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  Speaker 2: oh gosh, who's the word what's the word?
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  Speaker 1: Story group?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Story group? But no, no, there is a word
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  Speaker 2: for a person who specializes in maps. What's that word?
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  Speaker 2: Uh uh? Pograph? Yes? Is there like a lucasfilm? I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. That would be actually amazing if like their
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  Speaker 2: only job was this one galaxy map and they get
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  Speaker 2: to work once a year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason Fry, I think did the bulk of the
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  Speaker 1: map in the first place, So I wonder if he's
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  Speaker 1: kind of taken on the role. I know other people contributed,
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  Speaker 1: but I know he was the one who like posted
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  Speaker 1: the most about it. Yeah, so it could potentially be him.
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  Speaker 1: He wrote the Last Jedi as well as some other books,
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  Speaker 1: so he has some other experience. But like i'd imagine,
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  Speaker 1: the story group goes, Okay, here's the planets you can include,
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  Speaker 1: and then kind of the author decides, Okay, hey, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to create a new planet, or we're going to
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  Speaker 1: actually include this guy too, because you want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure right that you're not crossing over story threads that
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  Speaker 1: are happening on other planets. Basically is probably what's happening,
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  Speaker 1: and you also want, like you want to see new things,
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  Speaker 1: Like we all talk about how we're sick and tired
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  Speaker 1: of tattoo, so this is precisely that reason. So it'll
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited about it. I'm really really excited.
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  Speaker 2: Now the second piece of news really the first piece
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  Speaker 2: of news, since that one was just a little tid
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  Speaker 2: bit honorable mention. Katie sent me a Instagram post of
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  Speaker 2: a possible book confirmation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's already on his website. It's doctor Chris
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  Speaker 1: Kempshall who wrote The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire,
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  Speaker 1: which is a non fiction fiction book. Yes, it's a
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  Speaker 1: non fiction book set in the galaxy of Star Warsh Every.
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  Speaker 2: High wouldn't they all be nonfiction? Technically because it's.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm filtered, so technic So no, because it's the
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  Speaker 1: genre of book, right, so every Star Wars is fiction.
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  Speaker 1: But in this case we said, okay, we want to
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  Speaker 1: know the biography of Like Kristan Baber wrote Skywalker Family,
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  Speaker 1: a war biography on the Skywalker Family. Kem Shaw wrote
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  Speaker 1: The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire from what's
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  Speaker 1: his Name's face? In the Rise of Skywalker the Hobbit dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, correct, And so this.
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  Speaker 1: One he is going to be releasing in October twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, again with DK Books, and it is called
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars Star Pilots, and it says this in universe
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  Speaker 1: work features the voices, words, and experiences of familiar and
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  Speaker 1: brand new starfighter pilots from both the Rebel Alliance and
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  Speaker 1: the Galactic Empire. Most importantly, it is produced by probably
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  Speaker 1: the greatest star pilot in history, Ledge and Tilly's. He
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  Speaker 1: gives us an unrivaled level of insight and expertise. It
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  Speaker 1: explores the full depth and breadth of what it means
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  Speaker 1: meant to pilot starfighters in combat in the galaxy far
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  Speaker 1: far away. I believe that when you have seen the
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  Speaker 1: conflict through the eyes of the pilots who participated in it,
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  Speaker 1: you will never look at the Galactic Civil War in
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  Speaker 1: the same way ever. Again. More details, including the final
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  Speaker 1: cover for Star Wars Star Pilots, will appear in due course,
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  Speaker 1: so there's no cover or anything, but it is coming
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  Speaker 1: out in October obviously, y'all know me. I love me
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  Speaker 1: some Dentillies. This may get me to read it because
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  Speaker 1: I struggle with the genre of nonfiction in general. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why I have Skywalker, A Family at War, and
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  Speaker 1: I have The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire,
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  Speaker 1: and I started both and I haven't finished book because
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  Speaker 1: the nonfiction thing really throws me. It's not something that
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  Speaker 1: I typically enjoy reading. So I'm hopeful to read this
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  Speaker 1: one because it's a white gentillies book, and I'm always
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  Speaker 1: here for white genentillies.
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  Speaker 2: And so now we get to add that to the
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  Speaker 2: list of books to review in October. And I was
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  Speaker 2: just thinking, we don't have a huge list for twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Six, so let me tell you what is releasing, because
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  Speaker 1: uten me Utenie is where I pull all of my
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  Speaker 1: release schedule stuff for and so if they have like
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: formats and everything that you can check out. So like
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  Speaker 1: if I go to adult novels, Legacy, which is the
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  Speaker 1: Leah Ray book is released in July twenty eighth, and
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  Speaker 1: then Rain of the Empire, Edge of the Abyss, which
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  Speaker 1: is the last book that we have on the calendar
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  Speaker 1: for Raine mouse World's adult book, is releasing September fifteenth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. And then if we go to the
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  Speaker 1: young adult almost the only one we have right now
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  Speaker 1: is July twenty first, twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: I like stars Stars, yes.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, July will be.
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  Speaker 2: Packed July, then it goes to September and then fall
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  Speaker 2: October with Star with Star pilots. So we actually don't
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  Speaker 2: have a crazy year for new books guys. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: if you guys are following us on Patreon, we are
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  Speaker 2: literally reading a book every single month.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, how far I made it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Katie, that's something I wanted to update you on.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm only on chapter ten. I I'm scared.
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  Speaker 1: I'm on chapter nine.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, Cool, Okay, We're good. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I did go ahead and bread the prologue even though
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  Speaker 1: we're not talking about it, I would ahead and read.
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  Speaker 2: It, so okay. So full disclosure, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, we're talking about Star by Star.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: We're we're talking about Starbuy Star, which is the next
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  Speaker 2: edition in the New Jedi Orders series that we are
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  Speaker 2: recording for Patreon. And when we open this book. When
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  Speaker 2: I opened this book the other day, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: this is a ninety page prologue with eight chapters. What
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  Speaker 2: is going on? Because I saw one, the little chapter one,
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  Speaker 2: and I started reading it, and I was like, this
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  Speaker 2: has already happened. What is going on? What? What in
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  Speaker 2: the world is this a recount?
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  Speaker 1: So guys, if you get the map, if you get
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: the oh my gosh, what is the type of this book?
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  Speaker 1: Mass market?
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: Mass market?
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: Math market book? The Prologue is an ebook novella that
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: was released before Edge of Victory one and it kind
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  Speaker 1: of covers what Han and Leia do during Edge of
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  Speaker 1: Victory one and the reconciliation kind of because you do
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  Speaker 1: need that for book two. I forgot it was in here.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise I would have told Clay and we would have
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  Speaker 1: talked about it. With Edge of Victory one.
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  Speaker 2: It was. It was a little bit jarring. So I
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  Speaker 2: texted Katie. I was like, what the world is this?
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  Speaker 2: She lets me know about it, and I'm like, got
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  Speaker 2: it skipping it now? And I started reading, and guys,
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: we have chosen Katie has set the marker for the
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  Speaker 2: first part of this book because it's a hefty book.
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  Speaker 2: Adding eight chapters to this book is not even fair. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: not even fair. That should be cut out of the book.
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  Speaker 2: But we're reading the first forty three chapters for part
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  Speaker 2: one of Star by Star and My God I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to read this, but I also have
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: to read Resistance Reborn for next week, which I was
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: able to get on Libby, thank goodness. And yeah, it's
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: just complete chaos, complete chaos when I started reading that book.
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  Speaker 2: But Travis Mitchell is in the chest saying, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 2: just read Master of Evil, easily the best Wader book
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  Speaker 2: I've ever read. We still have to record, Yes, we
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: still have to re record this for our second review,
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  Speaker 2: because if people don't know when we did our first
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  Speaker 2: review on this, Katie just read the book too fast
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  Speaker 2: and skipped an entire page and lost.
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  Speaker 1: Too fast because I read it twice, so I had
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  Speaker 1: time to read it twice. No, I can scam read it.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you read it the normal pace
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  Speaker 2: for you, but coincidentally, the one piece of information that
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  Speaker 2: you were missing you skipped twice.
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  Speaker 3: So so yeah, guys, you can go back and listen
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  Speaker 3: to our original review because Clay.
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  Speaker 1: Promptly corrected me and you get to hear probably I
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  Speaker 1: think it was like probably ten minutes of like what
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: the fuck did I miss?
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Katie was super lost, which again, guys, when
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: looking at the spectrum of Star Wars fandom and who
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: holds the crown. I will easily give that crown to
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  Speaker 2: Katie every single time. But when we read Master of
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  Speaker 2: Egel and when we were reviewing it, Katie was like
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: saying something wild and I was like, what are you
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  Speaker 2: talking about? Like that's totally not what the book was
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: trying to imply. It implied this, and Katie looked at
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  Speaker 2: me like, what are you even talking about? Like like
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  Speaker 2: I as if I had read a completely different book.
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  Speaker 2: It was gold, It was great. I highly recommend going
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  Speaker 2: to read Master of Egel because it actually was the
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  Speaker 2: start of the conversation of last year between having two
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: books that year release with a what did what? Did
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: we describe it as a uh not sincere description of
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  Speaker 2: the book?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the synopsis didn't feel very accurate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we had a very big opinion on that.
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  Speaker 2: So I highly recommend going to read Master of Eagle
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  Speaker 2: for that opinion. And then of course the very ending
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  Speaker 2: of the review where Katie completely just was like a
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  Speaker 2: deer in headlights that entire time.
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  Speaker 1: It was I don't know how much time you edited
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  Speaker 1: that out of that, but it was no.
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  Speaker 2: I had to edit out a lot of like because
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  Speaker 2: you were like just flipping through the book and there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of dead air, and I was like, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: taking that out, taking that out. Okay, that's where her
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  Speaker 2: reaction is, Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was because we don't Yeah, we don't get
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  Speaker 1: the hard copies, and I do a lot better reading
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  Speaker 1: a hard copy. I just read, I am, I read
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  Speaker 1: with better intention, And so yeah, that one. We do
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  Speaker 1: plan this year to go back in and reread that
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  Speaker 1: and record the second review. It just got busy in
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  Speaker 1: the back half of last year.
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  Speaker 2: This is a very interesting way of looking at that book, Travis.
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  Speaker 2: I like where your head is going. We have so
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  Speaker 2: many stories of Vader being Vader showing why Anakin became Vader,
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  Speaker 2: but Master of Evil is the first one that explained
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  Speaker 2: how he could become Anakin Skywalker. Again, that's a pretty
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  Speaker 2: interesting That's an interesting way to look at what happened
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  Speaker 2: at that point of the book. So I'm gonna keep
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  Speaker 2: that in mind when I do my reread when we
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  Speaker 2: talk about it again. But guys, that is it for
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  Speaker 2: the news our main topic tonight, and again we do
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: have to keep it a little short because my household
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: is feeling under the weather. I don't want to keep
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: them away from their beds for too long. So let's
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  Speaker 2: get down to the main conversation. Our retro review Part three,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Mando season two. We're talking about the entire season this
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  Speaker 2: time around.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and guys, if you are interested, we do have
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  Speaker 1: all the podcast had just started when season two was
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: coming out, so we have individual episodic reviews for the
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  Speaker 1: whole of the season that you can go back and look.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure Clay can go in and link if he
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: so chooses.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I will go in keyword search Mando season.
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  Speaker 1: Two, or you could go to my handy dandy review spreadsheets.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right, you made it even easier for me.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: That's even better. Yes, I will go grab the episodes
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: for Mando season two and I will paste them onto
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the show notes, so that way you guys can go
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: and listen to those if you choose to listen to them.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Before we talked about this.
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  Speaker 1: Retro Yeah, and the first time Clay is talking about
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  Speaker 1: this season because I don't think you had done any
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Star Wars Lionce episodes at that point, so.
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  Speaker 2: We actually had me guessed on the first episode because
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: we all because I think the debut of season two.
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  Speaker 2: I think there was like maybe like a total of
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: like five of us. I think Travis Hines from DC
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  Speaker 2: Alliance was on there. I think maybe Joe was on
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  Speaker 2: there as well, and myself because I specifically remember talking
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: about and I think it's you know, good to go
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: on starting this conversation. Yea very first episode Create Dragon.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely amazing to see it in live action.
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  Speaker 1: I probays forget that it's a shark. I think I
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: say that every time a dragon image comes up. I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: forget it's a land shark.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, And it is glorious. It's awesome. I love it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I love the way it looks it's a Create Dragon
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: shark worm like that's the easiest way to kind of
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  Speaker 2: explain it. And I love this episode because again with
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  Speaker 2: season two. First off, we go somewhere familiar tattooing, right,
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  Speaker 2: That's that's the first thing. And then we see familiar
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  Speaker 2: faces such as the Tuscan Raiders. But then we also
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  Speaker 2: see a familiar face in the armor of Bubba.
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  Speaker 1: Fat and this is one of the first book character
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  Speaker 1: introductions into live action. And of course what's his name?
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  Speaker 1: Chuck win Digg is not credited for creating this character
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: because Star Wars doesn't like to do that, but it's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: still pretty cool. We won't dwell on that too too much.
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  Speaker 1: But I really enjoy seeing his character and I love
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he comes back in play later with
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  Speaker 1: bo with that, which we'll talk about in two weeks ye.
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  Speaker 2: So, and again, guys, this is only a retro review.
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  Speaker 2: We're only kind of doing a retrospective, like kind of condensed,
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  Speaker 2: so we're not gonna stay super focused on too many things,
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  Speaker 2: and we're kind of just gonna bounce around and talk
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: about the episodes overall.
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  Speaker 1: I love the music. We just gotta go ahead and
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: get that all the way again, Ludwig kills it. There
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: is no way if Sands or bought about it, he
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: killed it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I love the music here as well. Uh, I don't
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: think like we did. We did talk about I think,
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  Speaker 2: like maybe two weeks ago, how we really like to
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: see how the music has evolved from John Williams, but
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: also how John Williams has inspired others to still have
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that Star Wars feeling inside music. So absolutely of that
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: as well. This season, guys, this whole entire season is
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: focused around the idea, of course, of getting Grogu, who
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: we finally have the name revealed this season grow.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Episode thirteen, so we get halfway through the season, yeah,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: more than and it's like, dude, we're just now learning
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the name. I remember being super mad about that and going,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I ge't given the character name, But did we really
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: have to wait that long for it?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Well, Like the thing is, when we get the name reveal,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: it's so nonchalant because again, Ahsoka is just like da
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: oh Grogu, and even Mando's like Grogu, Who the hell
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: is that? Oh that's his name? Like totally you know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: but we we know that Mando is trying to get
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Grogu to his people. Yep. This is very important to
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Mando because of the way he was raised and he
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: was able to find his people. So I really do
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: enjoy this season. I think season two we had its
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: problems with the things like the volume. Yeah, we we
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: had our criticisms over like oh, especially I think it's
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: episode three maybe episode four with Bokatan how it's like, oh, yeah,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: like you can definitely tell this is volume technology.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there's so many going around and around the ship,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: like you this looks really familiar.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: But the one thing that I will still give credit
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to when it comes to the volume. It's great technology.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: The use of it too much is what bothers us.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: One because it really lends itself to that close quarter
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: combat fight where you can dive into it a little
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: bit deeper. But when you just are going from place
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to place, probably a bigger set would make a little
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: more sense than just having the volume being an effect,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: because you just can tell that you're going around and around.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I do really love the Heiress episode still, which is
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: episode three. I just love the frog lady. I just
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: love her, and I love the fact that she was
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: able to reunite with her husband, and most of the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: eggs made it back safely, even though grogu.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I almost completely forgot that growed you eight. Majority of
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the eggs.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: She's like, this is my last this is my last clutch.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: This is the only way our bloodline will ever survive.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Egg Grog goes over here just like oh yum, absolutely insane.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: And then there's stuff. There is some stuff that like
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: is I rolly in that episode episode two. You know
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: we me and you, we don't do scary. We don't
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: do scary, we don't do horror. And spiders the Spider
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: episode gave me anxiety. But there's one scene that I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: laughed out loud and rolled my eyes at. It's when
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: she uses her tongue to grab her clothes and in
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: a blink of an eye, she's dressed. Like the cam
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: returns for just a split second, and then all of
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: a sudden, she's fully dressed and ready to run and
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: ready to fight with Mando. But like, we also get
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: another cameo from uh filony on this episode as well,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and we get oh, shoot, what's his name?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: We get uh Carson for the first time, Yes, Carson,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: he what is he?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Is it for the first time? Yeah?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: He wasn't in season one?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right, it is for the first time. And
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: then we see him a second time in episode five
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: or episode six, I think it's episode six, actually yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I think so, where we get the oh so famous
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: jeans guy that is now unfortunately edited out. Uh I
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: remember that being all the craze in the debut of
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: episode six.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: See, and I always missed that stuff, Like people were
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: posting about it on Twitter and I was like, what.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Why And it's so silly, Like I kind of like,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I kind of wish they would have kept it in
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: but of course now with the new age of technology,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: they're able to edit it, they're able to put it
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: back onto the streaming service, and it's just like it
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: never happened, you know. Yeah. But throughout this season we
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: have the trials of trying to find out where Grogu
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: is going to go. We need to find a Jedi,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: all these different things we find Ahsoka. Ahsoka refuses to
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: train him because he's just too in his own head
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: type of ordeal. We learned that Grogu is scared, he's
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: too attached to Dinjar, and he's angry. We see a
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: little bit of that anger at the end of episode
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: six where we see him met A on the rock
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: and when he gets kidnapped in the ship, we see
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: him use the force. He's choking out stormtroopers. He's getting angry.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: We see that there. So it's it's I look at
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: this and I'm still interested in how he is going
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to grow, you know, We eventually, you know, I don't
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: know if it'll be in our lifetime or not, but
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: we will eventually see a Grogu that will most likely
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: be able to defend himself, whether that be with an
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: actual lightsaber or not. But is force sensitive, and of
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: course that always brings about the conversation of hey, is
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: he going to go down the wrong path? Is he
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: not gonna you know, is he gonna be on the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: side of the light and things like that, And we
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: see a little bit of that anger and we can
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: we know from past experience with other force users that
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: can mean, you know, some dark stuff.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do love getting to see Typhon. I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: love the history that Felony and Fabreau bring into this
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: season with Typhon, even with the Jedi episode, with bringing
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: in that connection to Thron and everything, it just really
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: works out super well. And uh it's one of the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: few times that I think that Folony has done a
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: really good job manipulating things for characters that don't revolve
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: around him like once that he created, So I do
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: like that. I also love the Mayfeld episode, which is
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: episode seven, directed by Rick Famiua. He does an incredible
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: job with this and this entire episode that's actually written
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: by him. But that's the one where they go to
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: they go to find the location of maff Gideon's cruiser
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: on wrack and we get to see din Jarn take
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: off his helmet for the very first time with humans around. Yeah,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and so it's a really powerful episode that just shows
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you a lot of where Den Jarn is as a character.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And I know, we go, we can go on and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: on about Oh gosh, I can't where is there? Why
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: aren't they listed in the character list?
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Oh the Doubles? Yeah yeah, uh uh oh my god.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Literally I had the name and then it just poofed
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: right out of my head.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Other performers there we got Latif Crowder and.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Brindan Wayne Wayne. Yeah, there we go.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do an incredible job with the performance. But
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: really and truly, Pedro Pascal makes it in there.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah says uh.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: The Believer with Bill Burr is the best episode in
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the series in my opinion, but honestly made me disappointed
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: with the finale by comparison. Yeah, I we're about to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: dive into that. But yeah, it's an incredible episode. It
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: just goes to show you, also what things can really
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: happen when Favreau and Foloni aren't writing. Yeah, well the show.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we harp on that a lot, but
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I I one of my favorite Uh. I think it's
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: in this episode at the very end of this episode,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: or it may have been in the very end of
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: episode six, we actually get to see a hollow scent
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: to uh uh oh shoot, I'm I'm I'm Gideon, Gideon,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: and it's Den Jarren saying like, you don't know what
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: you just unleashed. You don't know how much that child
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: cares or how much I care about that child. And
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: it's just such like a very intimidating hollow and you
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: actually see for a split second Gideon like flinch just
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: to Tad. And I love the acting on that. It's
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: just like, it's so so good, it's so so good.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: But the finale, this is gonna be the very first
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: time that I get to talk about this finale with you. Yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I am pretty sure. I'll have to even go back
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and listen to the finale episode myself to see who
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: all was on it. But the rescue, the rescue, there
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: was so many conversations that were going on even before
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the reveal happened.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who's the Jedi that Goro who's reaching out to.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was Oh, it's all those people who
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: just love to think that makes Window is still alive. Oh,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be mixed Window. This is how they bring
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: him back. There's gonna be so awesome. Blah blah uh.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Calcastes was another one that people had wanted to have
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: be in the reveal. Here so many, so many conversations
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and rumors and theories, and then what did we get?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Cg Luke Skywalker.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I so I love the idea. I hate the execution
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: because it fully makes sense that Luke Skywalker would be
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the one that catches the communication from Grogo. You can't
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: tell me in a million years. Yes, there's other Jedi
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: out there that we know of, but you can't tell
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: me that Luke Skywalker doesn't make sense coming into play.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I see Travis's thing. I'm gonna finish my thought because
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: other way he'll lose it. Luke makes perfect sense coming
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: in the CGI and deep fake technology. Sure, is it remarkable? Absolutely?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: You can't tell me that he doesn't look lifeless like now,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: don't get I still got super pumped up seeing him
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: come in and defeat the dark Trooper bots and everything.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I will always be a Luke Scottwalker. I'm a little
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: biased in that regard. I just love legends. Okay, so
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I love getting to see Luke be the hero. But man,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I looked at that deep thake again, and I was like,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: this sucks.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: It, Like, at that point, it's just a thought of Like, guys,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it would have been a hundred times easier and cheaper
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: and cheaper for you to go with somebody else. At
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: this point around we know that Luke is in fact
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: training others in the art of being a Jedi. You
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: could have added new pieces of lore just for the sake,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Like how awesome would it have been for all of
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: us to be like, oh my god, it's Luke Skywalker.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it is Luke Skywalker. Oh my god,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: is Luke Skywalker face reveal? And it's somebody nobody fucking knows.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: That would have gotten me excited that much more because
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh shit, new characters, what is this? You know?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: And we didn't get that. We got a horrible deep
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: fake of Luke Skywalker, emotionless, lifeless. The only piece of
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: emotion we got in that entire freaking scene was R
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: two D two, a droid gave more emotion than freaking
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Luke Skywalker himself. Absolutely Abysmo Travis says, I am probably
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the only one, but the finale didn't work for me
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: at all. It felt hollow as besides Bubba Fett. No
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: one there cares about Grogu. All have ulterior motives.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I think, did you mean din jarring here? Because I
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: know in your next message you said Boba does not
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: like I know Boba made the vows, so that's why
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: he cares. Yeah, But like talking presence wise, I think
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: din Jarn. But I do feel like despite the actress
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Kara Dune actually cares about Grogu and that's why she
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: gets involved in like may Feld and everything. Yeah, so
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: we'll disagree with you there, and yeah, I can agree
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: with Bokatan and everything because din Jarn is basically using
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: them like he they used him. Hey you won something,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I need help, I need assistance.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so, but he says I love the Dark
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Trooper fight, which was an oddly specific homage to Terminator Salvation.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: But I felt Grief, Mayfield and Boba should have been
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: present in the rescue. Looking at the deep fake, the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: clear issue I notice is that they put Mark Hamill's
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: face on the wrong head shape. Mark Campbell had a
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: rounded triangular jaw. The actor they put the face on
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: as a has a square one yeah yeah, or Mark Hamill,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: excuse me, has a round triangular jaw and the actor
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: that they put him on had a square jawline.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: That doesn't like if they had just said, Okay, this
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: actor is replacing him, not the end of the world.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if you put Mark Hamill's young face on
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the wrong actor on the wrong face problems.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: It's going to look weird. Especially as a character that
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: is iconic like Luke Skywalker, people are going to immediately
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: recognize very different features, right yep, So yeah, totally agree.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: But this does introduce one of the biggest points of
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: what will be eventually season three that we talked about
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: with the dark Saber. How, of course excuse me, Dinjarren
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: defeats Gideon in combat, takes the saber, and of course
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Bokatan cannot take it, which I think is super hypocritical
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: by the way, all of this like, and again I
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: know there's different factions of Mandalorians and all this other stuff.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: They call denjar In a piece of the cult and
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: not being able to show his face, but then Bocatan's like,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I can't take that saber, like it's literally the same thing,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's literally the same thing. Guys.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the the so the reason bo can't
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: take it is because of what happened in Rebels, so
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: being gives her the Dark Saber and then the nine
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: of Thousand Tiers happens.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think about that.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: So that's why she's very point blank like, Hey, I'm
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: fighting Gideon because I have to win the Saber. I
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: can't just be handed it. I have to win it.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: And but the problem is is that she doesn't communicate
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: that specification to Din.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that you can't blame den Jarren if you didn't
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: give him all of the information, you know. And then
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Travis also says, I meant Den is the only one
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: who there for Grogu Bubba leads the fires away, then disappears.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Kara wants Gideon, Bo wants the ship, and the rest
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: are kind of randoms. It's cool, but a bit hollow,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: And I could agree to that sentiment.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I can agree to an extent.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, that is really it for the episode
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: or for the season retro. I think we will have,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: of course, more to talk about with this finale when
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: we talk about the Book of Bovaveet, because there was
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of words here in the g u a
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: and in gieg verse. I know Travis and Taylor and
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: all them had a lot to say in the idea
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: of what the season finale of season two really meant
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: in retrospect of all things. So, Katie, do you have
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: anything else to add for this retro?
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I do just want to shut up because Travis has
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: been in here the whole time. So in regards to
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Cobb vanth making your parents, He's said they describe convent
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: a bit differently in the books Beg and Scruffee, but
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I forgave it. I was too excited to see a
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: character in a book I read as a teenager walk
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: on screen. Agree, except for the teenager part because I
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: didn't read it until recently. But in talking about the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: speech that Mando gives to Gideon, Mandal repeats for batam
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: what Gideon said to him and the finale of season one,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: which I did catch that this time, I think, and
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I dug it. I really dug it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But guys, that is it for our episode. Like
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I said, I need to uh get dinner going and
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: my wife needs to hit the hay because she is
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: not feeling well. But thank you guys so much for
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: being here and uh, you know, enjoying this retro review.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Next week we're gonna be talking about Resistance Reborn. I
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: still need to get started on that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And guys, this one, this one takes place before Legacy,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: which is the Lea trains Ray book. So that's one
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: reason we're doing it is because kind of this takes
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: place before that, and Clay has never read this book.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: But then the other reason two is Rebecca Ronhorse's Reign
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: of the Empire book comes out this fall. We talked
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: about and so kind of giving y'all an idea of, hey,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: this is her writing style what you can kind of
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: come to expect. So twofold reason, but it was one
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: of the books that I was like, Okay, I'm in
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: for Disney Star Wars now and that made me pull
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: that trigger. So super excited to talk about it next week.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Very nice. And then of course after that we are
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: going to be talking about the Book of Bubba Fet
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: for our part four on this retro review, all leading
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: up of course to the Mandalorian Grogu movie. So guys,
• 44:56
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• 44:59
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• 45:03
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• 45:07
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• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Y'all? You can find me on most social media platforms.
• 45:13
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• 45:23
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• 45:34
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• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you to Unfiltered and Travis for being in the chat. Oh,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: he said, great show, guys, Thanks Travis, thank you so
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: thanks guys for being in the chat. I was like
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: seeing you guys here. So yeah. With that, I want
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: to wish everyone a great day or night, whatever time
• 45:55
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• 45:57
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• 46:01
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