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22 Panels Episode #236 - Copra Round Seven · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  TIE Fighter: Hey everyone, welcome back to 22 Panels. I hope last week was done well with the intro, we'll see, I gotta go back and listen to it. This is Tyler, sitting with you on a Saturday morning, and across the interwebs.
• 0:17
  TIE Fighter: Is Tad and Phil, good morning, guys, I'm back, the show can go on.
• 0:23
  Phil: Strong with twips!
• 0:25
  TIE Fighter: Do you like, do you, do you like my, my, audacity?
• 0:31
  Tad Eggleston: I think, I think last week, the two things I remember is I made it clear that… that…
• 0:41
  Tad Eggleston: To anybody who, who… who maybe…
• 0:45
  Tad Eggleston: Had issues because they're used to somebody else
• 0:49
  Tad Eggleston: opening the show that I was not Tyler, and I think I forgot the thwips.
• 0:57
  TIE Fighter: Oh!
• 0:57
  Phil: That's okay. You know, it's…
• 1:00
  TIE Fighter: as much, as you guys enjoy me doing them, I'm surprised that they were not… that they were not done.
• 1:10
  Phil: Well, I, I guess, I guess I, I would expect a, a flock from, from Tad for, for the Daredevil, sound of, of his, you know, the bouncing there.
• 1:20
  TIE Fighter: Yep, yep.
• 1:21
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:23
  TIE Fighter: Okay, okay.
• 1:24
  Phil: Something like that.
• 1:25
  TIE Fighter: So, what's going on this week? Let's look at the rundown here.
• 1:30
  Tad Eggleston: Easter nominations dropped.
• 1:32
  Phil: Yeah, big time news for…
• 1:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yes, we have.
• 1:35
  Tad Eggleston: We have… 20 guests, nominated… For 30 awards.
• 1:42
  Phil: Kingmaker right here.
• 1:43
  Tad Eggleston: That's not bad. So let's… let's go through really quick. We got Sam Beck.
• 1:49
  Tad Eggleston: was nominated for Best Adaptation from Another Medium, Alana the First Adventure by Tamara Pierce, with Vida Ayala.
• 1:58
  Tad Eggleston: the man of the year, in terms of noms, Dennis Camp.
• 2:05
  Tad Eggleston: Nominated for Best One Shot Slash Single Issue for Martian Manhunter No. 1 with Javier Rodriguez, for Best One-Shot Slash Single Issue for Assorted Crisis Events, number 4 with Eric Zawadzky.
• 2:18
  Tad Eggleston: For Best Limited Series, Absolute Martian Manhunter with Javier Rodriguez, for Best New Series, Assorted Crisis Events with Eric Sawadski, and for Best Writer for Absolute Martian Manhunter, Assorted Crisis Events, and The Ultimates.
• 2:33
  Tad Eggleston: Christopher Cantwell, nominated for Best Limited Series, Out of Alcatraz, with Tyler Crook. Elsa Chartier.
• 2:43
  Tad Eggleston: Nominated for Best Penciler slash Inker for The City Beneath Her Feet, Clayton Coles, nominated for Best Lettering, Absolute Batman, Batman, Batman and Robin, Year One, Birds of Prey, Black Canary, Best of the Best, Trinity, Daughter of Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman, Daredevil, Cold Day in Hell. It was when I was typing the…
• 3:03
  Tad Eggleston: the… Clayton Coles out that I went, oh, we have a very interesting…
• 3:11
  Tad Eggleston: former guest that wasn't nominated for anything at all this year. Let's see if you guys pick up on who that is. Tyler Crook!
• 3:22
  Tad Eggleston: Best Limited Series out of Alcatraz with Christopher Cantwell, Kelly Sudakonic, Best Continuing Series, FML with David Lopez. Kayla E. Best Graphic Memoir for Precious Rubbish.
• 3:34
  Tad Eggleston: Kieran Gillen, Best Continuing Series for The Power Fantasy with Caspar Winingard. David Harper for Best Comics-Related Periodical Journalism with Sketched.
• 3:44
  Tad Eggleston: Patrick Horvath, Best Limited Series, Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees, Rite of Spring, and Best Graphic Album Reprint, Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees, Storybook Edition.
• 3:55
  Tad Eggleston: Jesse Lonergan, Best Graphic Album, Jerome, Best
• 3:59
  Tad Eggleston: Writer-artist drone, and Best Coloring Drone. Meredith McLaren, best one-shot single issue, Absolute Batman 2025 Annual with Daniel Warren Johnson and James Heron. Hassan Atzmin El-How?
• 4:14
  Tad Eggleston: Best Lettering for Ill Vacations, Stillman, Absolute Martian Manhunter, Challengers of the Unknown, DCKO, The Flash, Green Arrow, Poison Ivy, Best Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees, The Exorcism 1600 Penn, Starship Godzilla, Author Immortal, and Our Soot-Stained Heart. Jacob Phillips, Everything Dead and Dying, with Tate Brown.
• 4:38
  Tad Eggleston: romball.
• 4:39
  Tad Eggleston: porn sack, Pichet Shot for Best New Series? Actually, the Everything Dead and Dying was,
• 4:47
  Tad Eggleston: Best Limited Series. Sorry.
• 4:51
  Tad Eggleston: There was so much to put in.
• 4:54
  Tad Eggleston: Best New Series, Exquisite Corpses with James Tynion and Michael Walsh and others. Eric Reynolds for Best Archival…
• 5:01
  Tad Eggleston: collection slash project strips for Barnaby, Volume 5, 1950-52, with… by Crockett Johnson, with Philip Nell, Scott Snyder for Best Continuing Series, Absolute Batman with Nick Dragata, and Best Writer for Absolute Batman, Batman Deadpool, and by a Thread Book 2?
• 5:20
  Tad Eggleston: You won't, and you won't feel a thing. Kelly Thompson, Best Continuing Series for Absolute Wonder Woman, with Hayden Sherman and Mattia de Ulis. And for Best Humor Publication, Jeff the Landshark, with
• 5:33
  Tad Eggleston: Tokido Koro, and for Best Writer for Absolute Wonder Woman, Birds of Prey, and Jeff the Landshark. And finally, Carol Tyler for Best Graphic Memoir, The Ephemerada, Shaping the Ex…
• 5:47
  Tad Eggleston: Inquisite Nature of Grief.
• 5:50
  Tad Eggleston: So, which one of our guests is surprisingly not on the list?
• 5:55
  Phil: I think this is… this is the first time in, at least 5 years, if not, close to a decade, that I haven't seen a Tom King in the eyes or knobs.
• 6:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 6:06
  TIE Fighter: Which…
• 6:07
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, essentially, what that told me… was… He's been so busy…
• 6:17
  Tad Eggleston: doing various Hollywood writing that he just hasn't been prolific enough.
• 6:22
  Phil: Probably something like that. I mean, I'm thinking about it, and it's like, he's been doing Wonder Woman…
• 6:27
  Phil: And… I mean, I know there were a bunch of other stuff in the few years before, but…
• 6:32
  Tad Eggleston: The… the, the… Black Canary, best of the best was him, early in the year.
• 6:41
  Tad Eggleston: But then you've got the Trinity Daughter, Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman, and as I was thinking about it, I'm like, I don't know if anything else was…
• 6:48
  Phil: Yeah.
• 6:48
  Tad Eggleston: 2025.
• 6:50
  Phil: Yeah.
• 6:52
  Phil: So, yeah.
• 6:54
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think it was, like, a snub-type…
• 6:58
  Tad Eggleston: shutout. I think it was, he's been doing so much non-comics.
• 7:05
  Tad Eggleston: that.
• 7:06
  Phil: He's going for Oscars now.
• 7:08
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 7:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 7:09
  Phil: With.
• 7:10
  Tad Eggleston: The Archie movie.
• 7:12
  Phil: Right?
• 7:13
  Tad Eggleston: I could see it happening.
• 7:14
  Phil: Some Golden Globes from Lanterns?
• 7:17
  Tad Eggleston: The, the, the…
• 7:25
  Tad Eggleston: Next nice piece of news, a stretch of Essex Street in New York was rechristened Jack Kirby Way.
• 7:34
  Tad Eggleston: on.
• 7:35
  Phil: It's about damn time.
• 7:37
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah. Yeah. And, what kind of week has it been? Like, .
• 7:46
  TIE Fighter: So, let's talk about, let's talk about, what's his name, Chi? Xi? .
• 7:51
  Phil: Oh, Xi Jinping!
• 7:53
  TIE Fighter: So, he, one of my favorite things from this week is that, he, he gave Trump some rose seeds for, for flowers.
• 8:03
  TIE Fighter: As a, as a kind of a joke, I think, about Trump paving over the.
• 8:11
  Tad Eggleston: Over there.
• 8:13
  Phil: That's hilarious. Yeah. He, he, he mentioned another one of, he asked Trump, how do we avoid the, I'm gonna butcher this Greek name, but the, Tyclidates Trap?
• 8:27
  Phil: Okay.
• 8:28
  Phil: Which was a name I hadn't heard before, and I doubt… I doubt Trump ever had before either, but it's the principle of, you know, when there is an existing power, feeling pressure from an emerging power, in history, they go to war more often than not.
• 8:47
  Phil: Essentially, essentially asking a hyper-intellectual question to Trump. How do we avoid going to war?
• 8:53
  Phil: Which is, again, hilarious to me that he would ask.
• 8:56
  TIE Fighter: He's like… because he's like, I don't want to. Like, he's even said, like, this would be bad for both of us, let's not…
• 9:02
  Phil: Yeah.
• 9:02
  TIE Fighter: you know.
• 9:04
  TIE Fighter: But Trump is so stupid. I mean, he just thinks that this'll be fine.
• 9:09
  Phil: When… yeah.
• 9:10
  TIE Fighter: Okay, go ahead.
• 9:11
  Phil: I was gonna say, when… when Xi Jinping is coming off looking like the, the better… the better national… national leader, you know we're in trouble.
• 9:22
  Tad Eggleston: So, here, here's, here's my, my, A million dollar question.
• 9:34
  Tad Eggleston: if… say… What, what, Trump… Trades for,
• 9:48
  Tad Eggleston: whatever non-promise the Chinese… I mean, because we know that you don't actually have to, like, deliver anything. Like, if Trump lifted restrictions on Chinese electric vehicles in exchange for whatever
• 10:06
  Tad Eggleston: Whatever pat on the back he's looking for.
• 10:09
  Tad Eggleston: Would that be a bad thing?
• 10:12
  Phil: I mean…
• 10:14
  Phil: I don't think so. I think, from what I've heard about the Chinese electric vehicles, they sound like, they would be great, you know? Like…
• 10:24
  Phil: if anything, it's, it's… it's one of those where, I feel like… I feel like…
• 10:29
  Phil: I feel like the…
• 10:31
  Phil: what… the best way to sum up the economy under Trump is, it's my foot, and I'll shoot if I want to.
• 10:38
  TIE Fighter: Yep. Yep, that is… that is perfect.
• 10:43
  TIE Fighter: It's my foot, and I'll shoot if I want to. It's mine! It's mine!
• 10:48
  Phil: Oh, goodness, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's… it's one of those things where, I mean, I haven't done any deep research, but from, you know…
• 10:59
  Phil: what I've heard of how things are going in China compared to how things are going here. It sounds like better, you know? It sounds like they're actually trying to make progress. I'm always a fan of nations, you know, putting resources into solar power.
• 11:14
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, they've taken over the electric market.
• 11:20
  Tad Eggleston: Worldwide, and, and, like, I've heard… But, but, like… Obviously.
• 11:31
  Tad Eggleston: Don't… don't know a ton about, because, like…
• 11:35
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'm finding that it's hard to even find information on them on U.S.
• 11:42
  Phil: Mmm.
• 11:43
  Tad Eggleston: Web portal, so, so, like.
• 11:44
  Phil: Yeah.
• 11:45
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't gotten deep into… Right. …just doing the Google search so far, but, like,
• 11:53
  Tad Eggleston: You know, word has that they're, like, fantastic cars.
• 11:59
  Tad Eggleston: And on one side, I… I get…
• 12:04
  Tad Eggleston: Like, the big deal is the, the, oh, the Chinese could… Could be…
• 12:13
  Tad Eggleston: they could be… using it to spy, blah blah blah. I mean, the same reason we don't allow what? Who, why?
• 12:23
  Tad Eggleston: Phones… I think it's who, why.
• 12:27
  Phil: I'm not sure.
• 12:28
  Tad Eggleston: One of the global competitors with Apple is a Chinese company that is.
• 12:35
  Tad Eggleston: allowed in the U.S. because…
• 12:38
  Phil: Interesting.
• 12:40
  Tad Eggleston: We're worried about them being used to spy.
• 12:45
  Tad Eggleston: At least that's the official reason.
• 12:47
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, sure.
• 12:47
  Phil: If anyone's They aren't Americans, it's gonna be Americans.
• 12:50
  Tad Eggleston: Aren't iPhones made in China, first of all? Second of all, like, the pagers that… that…
• 12:59
  Tad Eggleston: that Israel used as bombs weren't made in Israel.
• 13:06
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 13:11
  Tad Eggleston: It seems like…
• 13:18
  Tad Eggleston: It might be the red herring reason not to…
• 13:22
  TIE Fighter: Yeah.
• 13:23
  Phil: I mean, it's… again, back when… when…
• 13:27
  Phil: there was all the whole blue about, TikTok being Chinese-owned, you know, and they were like, oh, this is unprecedented data access.
• 13:36
  Phil: a lot of the analysis I saw was, this is literally, like, the same type of shit that Facebook does. So, rather than us being afraid of, oh, China's doing it, it's like, oh, that's because… that's because we want to be the only game in town.
• 13:49
  Phil: You know.
• 13:51
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 13:52
  Phil: Which is, quite frankly, an anti-capitalist sentiment. Quite hypocritical, coming from the US, if you ask me.
• 13:58
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, this is where I go back to where, like…
• 14:02
  Phil: Yeah, we're so far from capitalism, from even a generous definition of capitalism.
• 14:08
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Which is why, honestly, like, every time they talk about anti-capitalists being…
• 14:15
  Tad Eggleston: You know, added to, to, like, domestic terror…
• 14:19
  Tad Eggleston: watch this type of stuff. I'm sitting there going, like, we just need to change our language, make it strictly anti-oligarch.
• 14:25
  Phil: There you go.
• 14:26
  Tad Eggleston: Emphasize the fact that the powers that be are anti-capitalist.
• 14:30
  Phil: Yep. Yep.
• 14:31
  Phil: Discouraging competition.
• 14:34
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah. Anyway, new to order! Initial order's due May 28th. I can't believe that I've waited this long to talk about 100 bullets!
• 14:43
  Tad Eggleston: The U.S. of anger from Brian Azzarello and Eduardo Riso. Happy 250th, America! Lano's back! You won't survive the year. Not many people made it out alive from the fall of the Trust in 100 Bullets. Lano did, just barely, and it sent him spiraling on a years-long international odyssey. His one-time protege, Luke Hughes, was the only one smart enough to walk away clean.
• 15:08
  Tad Eggleston: But now, tragedy has come knocking on Loop's store, and the scent of blood has attracted a dangerous stray dog. Lano's back in the United States, and he's on the hunt. Through a network of good ol' boys and militias, megachurches, millionaires, and madmen.
• 15:25
  Tad Eggleston: in a…
• 15:27
  Tad Eggleston: In Brother Lano, Lano unsuccessfully tried to save his own soul in the U.S. of anger. He'll play Satan to a host of demons, tempting the United States to sell hers. The multi-Eisner Award-winning team of Brian Azzarello and Eduardo Riso has returned to its most famous creation.
• 15:45
  Tad Eggleston: Unleashing a new chapter in Vertigo's greatest crime saga.
• 15:49
  Tad Eggleston: Told for the first time in stunning black and white.
• 15:54
  Phil: Mmm.
• 15:55
  TIE Fighter: Awesome.
• 15:56
  Phil: That is exciting.
• 15:57
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cut off June 8th, in stores on July 1st.
• 16:03
  TIE Fighter: Okay, next up we've got Dead Acre, from Ret Sea, Bruno and, Jamie Castle, and Cullen Bunn, with art by Riley Brown.
• 16:15
  TIE Fighter: Life isn't simple for a demon hunter. James Crowley met his mortal end in a hall, or excuse me, in a hail of gunfire. I don't have the reading… reading specs on right now. Now he finds himself in purgatory, serving the White Throne to avoid falling to hell.
• 16:34
  TIE Fighter: Not quite undead, though not alive either. The best he can hope for is to work off his servitude and fade away. His not-so-sacred duty as a hand of God?
• 16:45
  TIE Fighter: Use his new abilities to hunt down demonic beings that have infiltrated the mortal realm. This time, the White Throne has sent him to the middle of nowhere, a western town called Deadacre.
• 16:58
  TIE Fighter: Cullen Bond and Riley Brown adapt, USA Today bestseller, Rhett C. Bruno and Jamie Castle's smash hit, number one, Audible bestseller, the first book in the Black Badge series.
• 17:09
  TIE Fighter: Final order cutoff will be June 1st, and this will be in stores July 1st, and this book is from Vault.
• 17:25
  Tad Eggleston: Fear of death.
• 17:27
  Tad Eggleston: A Rachel Rising story from Terry Moore. 10-year-old Zoe witnesses a brutal murder that sets her on a dark path.
• 17:35
  Tad Eggleston: When the Angel of Death arrives to collect the spirits, Lilith attempts to strike a deal, but doesn't get the outcome she hoped for. Vowing revenge, she sets a plan in motion that will become the story of Rachel Rising.
• 17:48
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff is June 1st, in stores on July 8th from Abstract Studio.
• 17:55
  Phil: Next up, we've got The Smart Division No. 1 by Zach Kaplan, John J. Pearson, and Hassan Utzmann El-How, coming out from Dark Horse Comics, a dark and modern sci-fi detective series set 5 minutes in the future. When a mysterious new predictive artificial intelligence program appears responsible for assisting someone in the perfect murder, a pair of unlikely investigators, a chaotic
• 18:19
  Phil: Gen Z savant, and a veteran FBI agent must hunt down the killer by…
• 18:24
  Phil: Starting the FBI's first AI Crimes Division.
• 18:27
  Phil: Creator Zach Kaplan and Eisner Award-winning artist John Pearson reunite for the first time since their fan-favorite horror series, Mindset. Once again, that's coming out from Dark Horse Comics, gonna have a final order cutoff of June 29th in stores August 5th.
• 18:47
  TIE Fighter: Awesome. Let's see here, we got… oh, my thing timed out on me. Give me a sec.
• 18:52
  Phil: Oh my god.
• 18:53
  TIE Fighter: I got a full rhythm.
• 18:54
  Phil: Okay.
• 18:56
  TIE Fighter: So, for listeners out there, we are going to talk about Star Trek red shirts, but my thing has timed out on me, and I don't have it pulled off.
• 19:05
  Phil: That's what I'm gonna call it next time. It's like, no, no, no, this isn't dysfunction, my thing just timed out.
• 19:10
  TIE Fighter: Yep.
• 19:11
  TIE Fighter: Yep.
• 19:12
  Phil: bottoms.
• 19:13
  TIE Fighter: All right. That is…
• 19:15
  Tad Eggleston: Is that what Peggy said?
• 19:16
  Phil: Yes!
• 19:18
  TIE Fighter: Yes, she said, honey, don't feel bad, it just timed out.
• 19:21
  Phil: It's a timeout error!
• 19:24
  TIE Fighter: Alright. Okay. Star Trek Redshirts Ghost of the 21st Century. Scott Buen Cristiano?
• 19:37
  TIE Fighter: Is that how you pronounce it? I hope so. From, IDW, Revenge is the dish best served on time delay, from Jerry Duggan.
• 19:50
  TIE Fighter: Comes the next Red Shirts bloodbath.
• 19:54
  TIE Fighter: On the Federation's farthest frontier, redshirts don't just die, they are used. When conscripted security grunt Harry Dubert finds contraband hidden inside a fallen comrade's body.
• 20:09
  TIE Fighter: He uncovers Section Null, a secret Starfleet directorate turning disposable red shirts into assets in a sprawling criminal conspiracy.
• 20:19
  TIE Fighter: Teaming with Lina Tavel, an Andorian officer with her own covert agenda, Dubert digs too deep and becomes a target.
• 20:28
  TIE Fighter: Someone inside Starfleet Security is selling out the Federation, and when Stubert and Tavel learn what red shirts are really for, there's no going back.
• 20:38
  TIE Fighter: This is a final order cutoff of June 15th, and will be on sale July 22nd.
• 20:48
  TIE Fighter: And, yes, this is from IDW.
• 20:51
  Phil: Alright, a warning to listeners, this next title is indeed a pun. This is Valhall Law.
• 20:58
  Phil: like Valhalla, but spelled with law at the end.
• 21:01
  Phil: From Ben Fisher and Pedro R.M. Andreo. Aedis Frigg's daughter is an Icelandic attorney and descendant of the goddess Frigg, blessed with the gift of making unbreakable contracts. Aedis takes on her most difficult case yet when she is hired to broker a peace treaty between the Norse gods in an effort to prevent a new Ragnarok.
• 21:22
  Phil: Valhall Law is a contemporary fantasy filled with dark humor and high-concept action, plus a bit of legal drama. But at its chilly heart, the book is about family, as Adis juggles saving the world and rediscovering romance with her recently reanimated girlfriend.
• 21:38
  Phil: Gonna have a final order cutoff of June 8th in stores July 15th from Ablaze Comics.
• 21:49
  TIE Fighter: That's you again, Phil.
• 21:50
  Phil: Oh, it is me again, holy cow, now we're into graphic novels.
• 21:53
  Tad Eggleston: Graphic novels…
• 21:54
  Phil: graphic novels! My thing timed out as well. This is Big Guns Stupid Rednecks by Austin Allen Hamblin and Mariana Mira, with a cover from Kurt Belcher. After a string of unexplained disappearances in the southern parts of the United States.
• 22:14
  Phil: Retired detective Clint searches for his white trash brother. While trying to solve the mystery of his brother's disappearance, Clint ends up being abducted.
• 22:23
  Phil: by aliens.
• 22:25
  Phil: He is now in the arena for Big Gun Stupid Rednecks, Intergalactic Cable's newest hit show, which puts humans in blaster gun gladiatorial combat, and his brother is the reigning champion with 27 kills. From the minds of Austin Allen Hamblin and Mariana Mira, Big Gun Stupid Rednecks is a fast-paced social commentary full of rednecks blowing each other up with lasers.
• 22:49
  Phil: This trade paperback collects for the first time ever. Oh, it's a collection, not a graphic novel. Okay. That's okay. It is gonna have a final order cutoff of June 29th in stores July 22nd. And that is…
• 23:06
  Phil: Prana Publishers, yeah.
• 23:15
  TIE Fighter: Alright, so we are gonna talk about Qlik!
• 23:20
  TIE Fighter: From Kayla Miller, from the New York Best Times… New York Times best-selling author-illustrator Kayla Miller comes a graphic novel about friendship and finding where you click in middle school. It's perfect for fans of Smile and Real Friends.
• 23:37
  TIE Fighter: Olive wants to get in on the act.
• 23:40
  TIE Fighter: Any act. Olive clicks with everyone in the fifth grade, until one day she doesn't. When a school variety show leaves Olive stranded without an act to join, she begins to panic, wondering why her… all of her friends have already began… already formed their own groups. Without her.
• 23:58
  TIE Fighter: With the performance drawing closer by the minute, will Olive be able to find her own place in the show before the curtain goes up?
• 24:06
  TIE Fighter: The New York Times best-selling author-illustrator Kayla Miller has woven together a heartfelt and insightful story about navigating friendships, leaning on family, and learning to take the stage in the most important role of all.
• 24:21
  TIE Fighter: Qlik is going to have a final order cutoff of June 1st, and will be in stores July 1st, and it is being put out by HarperCollins.
• 24:36
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, Momo…
• 24:39
  TIE Fighter: John Cusack, this is…
• 24:40
  Tad Eggleston: Blamed actor John Cusack and celebrated international artist Ignacio Ngo deliver a wild, genre-bending road trip with cosmic stakes. Two fidgetives form an uneasy alliance on a mission tied to none other than Jackie Gleason. Yes, that Jackie Gleeson.
• 24:58
  Tad Eggleston: and quickly find themselves in way over their heads. What follows is a surreal collision of pulp sci-fi, occult mystery, and dark humor, packed with bizarre encounters, buried secrets, and forces far beyond their control. As reality starts to crack and loyalties fray, one thing becomes clear. This trip to save the world
• 25:18
  Tad Eggleston: Or… end it?
• 25:20
  Tad Eggleston: In spectacular fashion.
• 25:22
  Tad Eggleston: Fashion. This is from Mad Cave Studios. Final order cutoff is June 15th, in stores on July 8th.
• 25:32
  Phil: Do you think.
• 25:33
  Tad Eggleston: Now, we'll do some collections.
• 25:35
  TIE Fighter: Get to some collections. Go ahead, Phil.
• 25:38
  Phil: Is there any chance we could get a Chicago legend John Cusack on this podcast, since you're from Chicago?
• 25:46
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you know that, that, that if there is, I'll find a way.
• 25:52
  TIE Fighter: Fingers crossed.
• 25:53
  TIE Fighter: If… I'm not kidding you guys, High Fidelity was one of my favorite movies ever.
• 25:58
  Phil: Growing up, yeah.
• 25:59
  TIE Fighter: Yes, that movie, I saw it in the theater more times than any other movie, and I don't know why. You know, yes, I like…
• 26:05
  Phil: Good one.
• 26:06
  TIE Fighter: I like record stores, but there was something about this tragedy of his, girlfriend situation that just… I don't know, it resonated with me. Yeah. But anyway, next up, we got Batman Hush 2 from Jeff Loeb and Jim Lee and Scott Williams.
• 26:24
  TIE Fighter: Two legendary creators, one incredible story, Jeff Loeb and Jim Lee returned to the Batman saga that changed the Dark Knight forever. With the sequel to the original Hush.
• 26:36
  TIE Fighter: Hush 2, a mysterious villain from Batman's past, has returned, leaving the Dark Knight's world upended. Now he must use every resource and tool in his belt to save both his city and himself.
• 26:50
  TIE Fighter: From legendary creators Jeff Loeb and Jim Lee, the sequel to the original Hush Saga has finally arrived, heralding a new age for Gotham and everyone who lives here. This collects Batman 158 through 163, and we have a final order cutoff of June 22nd.
• 27:09
  TIE Fighter: However, it won't be in stores until September 15th from DC.
• 27:15
  Tad Eggleston: Now, here's my question.
• 27:18
  TIE Fighter: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Tad Eggleston: It's through Batman 163.
• 27:23
  TIE Fighter: That's what it said, yeah.
• 27:30
  TIE Fighter: Is that a typo?
• 27:32
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, okay, good, good. 163 has at least been solicited.
• 27:38
  Tad Eggleston: Oh my.
• 27:41
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, well, no… So, Tyler…
• 27:47
  Tad Eggleston: 163 is supposed to come out next week.
• 27:53
  TIE Fighter: Wow.
• 27:57
  Phil: I see there's a big suppose.
• 27:58
  Tad Eggleston: You've ordered way less than I would expect, though.
• 28:03
  Tad Eggleston: Only, kind of.
• 28:08
  TIE Fighter: What, one or two, I think…
• 28:10
  Tad Eggleston: Its initial order date was June 26th of… Last year. Last year.
• 28:16
  TIE Fighter: I know, I know.
• 28:18
  Phil: I mean, it wouldn't be a Jim Lee comic without some legendary delays.
• 28:21
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean… Which… what's the number of the most recent fraction, Batman?
• 28:29
  Phil: 9 or 10 now?
• 28:31
  TIE Fighter: 10. I think 10.
• 28:35
  Phil: Something like that. I know the trade for that one is coming out next week.
• 28:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, so, I mean, Fraction restarted with a number 1.
• 28:48
  Tad Eggleston: That was… that was supposed to be… Like, a number one after… this had… wrapped up.
• 29:02
  Tad Eggleston: the last volume.
• 29:06
  Tad Eggleston: So my question, Tyler…
• 29:10
  Tad Eggleston: First of all, do you have 163 yet? Because you sometimes have your lunar stuff for next week by now.
• 29:18
  TIE Fighter: My lunar box is here.
• 29:21
  TIE Fighter: So, should I open it up on air?
• 29:23
  Phil: Yeah, let's do an unboxing!
• 29:25
  TIE Fighter: Okay, alright, let's do this.
• 29:27
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wait, wait a minute, it says, store order history…
• 29:36
  TIE Fighter: Are you looking at my order?
• 29:37
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, you're supposed to have one, so it'd take a long time, possibly, to find it.
• 29:42
  Phil: Oh, nice.
• 29:43
  TIE Fighter: Here's the thing, here's the thing. I'm the only one that buys Batman in my store right now, so…
• 29:48
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow.
• 29:49
  Phil: That's funny.
• 29:51
  Phil: Guys, like I said, don't read it until next Tuesday, at least.
• 29:55
  TIE Fighter: Guys, like I said, or Phil, you weren't on… on at the time, you were… you had lost…
• 30:01
  Phil: Taking a sabbatical.
• 30:02
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, no, this was, like, 10 minutes, or an hour ago, before you… before you came back on.
• 30:10
  TIE Fighter: May has been a tough month at my store.
• 30:16
  Tad Eggleston: This, so I, I, I, I still get Daredevil from Dreamland in, in, in…
• 30:25
  Tad Eggleston: Libertyville, because I like Charlie, and I don't want to stop patronizing him, so I was in to pick up my new Daredevil yesterday. You know who we had for Free Comic Book Day?
• 30:38
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm gonna bring this up because this is one of the people that you should have been looking into for Free Comic Book Day.
• 30:45
  TIE Fighter: Elliot Rahal?
• 30:46
  Tad Eggleston: No, Doug Mankey.
• 30:49
  TIE Fighter: Oh, Doug, yeah, he's in… he's in the cities, too. He's a Batman artist.
• 30:53
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 30:54
  Phil: He's done a lot of stuff.
• 30:55
  Tad Eggleston: Well, apparently, he used to spend his summers doing…
• 30:59
  Tad Eggleston: doing, like, he did 3 summers where he was one of the airbrush artists at Great America.
• 31:08
  TIE Fighter: So, the thing about Doug, I know him personally. He is… he's really big into bodybuilding right now, so he's not focusing a lot on artwork and things like that, but, I mean, he may be working on a new cover or something like that.
• 31:22
  TIE Fighter: But Doug's really great about doing covers, not so much interiors. I don't know if you've noticed that.
• 31:29
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but sometimes.
• 31:30
  Phil: Those are the…
• 31:30
  Tad Eggleston: Artists that have the most people show up.
• 31:33
  TIE Fighter: Yep.
• 31:33
  Phil: He… he used… he did a…
• 31:35
  Phil: decent run. He's done a lot of…
• 31:38
  Phil: John's Green Lantern, he's worked with Grant Morrison a handful of times on stuff. He basically finished Final Crisis, I'm pretty sure.
• 31:46
  TIE Fighter: Also, he is the artist that came up with the mask that Jim Carrey later played. That was his book.
• 31:56
  TIE Fighter: Yeah. So, he's a big deal, he's a great guy, he's super fun to talk to.
• 32:01
  Phil: Absolutely shredded.
• 32:02
  TIE Fighter: He lives in… He is shredded, yeah, he's a bodybuilder. He lives in, Minneapolis area.
• 32:09
  Phil: I wanna see him and, Greg Capullo have…
• 32:12
  Tad Eggleston: I'm saying, these…
• 32:12
  Phil: Flex.
• 32:13
  Tad Eggleston: These are people that, like, properly, coerced and then, properly promoted, could bring people to your shop.
• 32:22
  TIE Fighter: I know. That's putting the cart before the horse, because… Again…
• 32:28
  TIE Fighter: nobody cares here besides me and a couple other people. Do you know what I mean?
• 32:33
  Tad Eggleston: That's why I said properly promoted.
• 32:36
  TIE Fighter: properly promoted, I gotta get…
• 32:39
  Tad Eggleston: True.
• 32:39
  TIE Fighter: lie. It's a tricky lie, because, you know.
• 32:41
  Tad Eggleston: So that… so that people… people from… from Sioux Falls or… or Minneapolis are driving out to you, because Doug Mankey's there.
• 32:51
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, it's… it's got… that…
• 32:55
  TIE Fighter: there is an argument to be made both ways, where I gotta have the store have a little bit more customers coming in for people to
• 33:02
  TIE Fighter: even know who Doug is, let alone spend their time coming in to see him, in… you know what I mean?
• 33:08
  TIE Fighter: It's… it's a tricky thing.
• 33:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:12
  TIE Fighter: It's… it is definitely both ways, and… and in…
• 33:17
  TIE Fighter: I'm kinda… like I said, I'm struggling right now, so it's…
• 33:21
  TIE Fighter: It is… it has been a tough month.
• 33:24
  TIE Fighter: That is for sure.
• 33:25
  Phil: Well, I hope the summer starts a good upswing for you. You know, I would hope that kids being out of school might… might bring in more… more traffic for you, you know?
• 33:34
  TIE Fighter: Well, my thought was this, that, maybe the…
• 33:39
  TIE Fighter: different things that are… okay, so it's May right now, high school, graduation is coming up next week,
• 33:47
  TIE Fighter: All of the end-of-the-year choir concerts, band concerts, plays, all that kind of stuff is going on all the time, so maybe that has to do with it.
• 33:58
  TIE Fighter: I'm just… Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm hoping, I'm hoping. Alright, let's keep moving forward.
• 34:08
  Phil: In, in not at all a, an omen to be taken seriously, next up is The Drumsticks of Doom from John…
• 34:19
  Tad Eggleston: from some Chicago area guys.
• 34:21
  Phil: Take ag ago, guys. John Westoff…
• 34:23
  Tad Eggleston: Thanks, guys.
• 34:24
  Phil: Ann Doherty, Ryan Vela.
• 34:27
  Phil: Cover by Dan Doherty and Wes Wong. When Black Sabbath, not the Beatles, became the world's most famous band, the universe was changed, musically and otherwise. Lost arts like alchemy were made common. Schools taught about transfiguration and alternative science. Demons were summoned, and some stuck around. Lana loves music. She has played in bands all through high school, and now in college, she still plays
• 34:52
  Phil: plays in her ex's fledgling metal band. She's convinced they're…
• 34:55
  Phil: Their drummer to play her indie songs in secret.
• 34:59
  Phil: She's finishing up the best practice yet when they are drawn into a spiritual battle to keep metal on the top of the charts. Issues 1 through 4 are a wild ride of day wolves, metal cults, and hybrid creatures presented in trade paperback for the first time. 122 pages.
• 35:17
  Phil: 100 plus stunning black and white interior story pages, plus extras, final order cutoff of June 29th, in stores July 29th, from…
• 35:27
  Phil: the fine folks at Massive Publishing.
• 35:34
  TIE Fighter: Awesome.
• 35:35
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 35:38
  Tad Eggleston: We're gonna do another, Zach Kaplan hit. Masterminds from Zach Kaplan and Steven Thompson at Dark Horse.
• 35:47
  Tad Eggleston: When an ambitious and troubled video game programmer dares to audition for a secret society in the gaming tech industry composed of cutthroat genius masterminds that promise to help their members achieve their wildest dreams, he and his rebellious coworker find themselves in a gauntlet of real-life puzzles that quickly turn deadly.
• 36:05
  Tad Eggleston: But in order to win, they must solve the dangerous challenges, unlock the group's true motives, and unveil the real architecture of this ordeal. Are they truly smart enough to survive the mysterious game of the masterminds?
• 36:19
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff on this is… June 22nd, and it'll be in stores on October 20th. I love this series. I like Zach Kaplan quite a bit. He did.
• 36:32
  Tad Eggleston: Need to reach out. It's been a while.
• 36:35
  Tad Eggleston: Who wants to take this week's final order cutoffs?
• 36:38
  TIE Fighter: to me.
• 36:40
  Phil: Oh, I can read the final work cutoffs.
• 36:41
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 36:42
  Phil: Alrighty. Finally our cutoff for this week, Monday, May 25th. First up is The Beast of Borican, number 1, from Julio Anta, Daniel Irizari, coming out from Dark Horse, in stores July 1st. Jeff the Landshark Superstar, number 1, from Kelly Thompson.
• 37:00
  Phil: Toki Tokoro and Gurihuru, from Marvel, in stores July 8th. A Mischief of Magpies, number 1, from Simon Spurrier and Matthias Bergara at Distillery, in stores July 15th. Looking forward to that one. Kerr Evil from Mirka and Dolfo and Laura Braga at Image, in stores July 1st.
• 37:24
  Phil: Shaolin Cowboy Staying AI Live, number 1, from Jeff Darrow and Dark Horse, in stores July 1st, Terminal number 1, from Robert Kirkman, Joe Casey, Andy Kubert, Dave McCaig at Image, in stores July 22nd, and Vampirates, number one, from Fred Van Lenti and Luca Pizari at Boom, in stores July 8th. Next up is crowdfunding.
• 37:47
  Tad Eggleston: Lab Zero Remix, a comics magazine hacking pop culture from Ronald Wimberly on Kickstarter through June 9th. That one Matt Bohr's comic…
• 37:58
  Tad Eggleston: Just one? June 11th. I'm working on having Matt and Glenn come on the show. Essentially, this is, like.
• 38:07
  Tad Eggleston: there was one, and Phil's the most online of us, so we'll see if he recognizes it. There was a Matt Bohr's comic…
• 38:18
  Tad Eggleston: That, that, like, When a full-on meme… .
• 38:25
  Phil: Oh, is it… is it the one where the… the fascist is, like, shaving his own head, and he's like, you're making me do this!
• 38:33
  Phil: Because there's a few. I've seen a few Boris comics that, that, that have memed around.
• 38:40
  Tad Eggleston: Let's use the share button.
• 38:43
  Tad Eggleston: Where's my share button?
• 38:45
  Phil: Honestly, my favorite Matt Boris comic that has stuck with me is the, the one about the bog being, where he does a short parody of Swamp Thing that's really hilarious.
• 38:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 38:56
  TIE Fighter: Really?
• 38:56
  Phil: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 38:57
  TIE Fighter: Bog being, I like that. It's just a.
• 39:00
  Phil: Before Pay It'll come, it's really funny. It's basically… I laugh because it's kind of… it's the occasional dynamic between me and my wife.
• 39:12
  Phil: Oh.
• 39:13
  TIE Fighter: It's awesome.
• 39:14
  Phil: But, yeah, no, Matt Boers is hilarious, I…
• 39:18
  Tad Eggleston: Of course.
• 39:18
  Phil: was never a regular reader of the Nib, but whenever I see his stuff, I always… I always stop and read it, because it's… it's… it's both hilarious and insightful.
• 39:27
  Phil: I think I've seen…
• 39:31
  Phil: Oh, yep, yep, I have seen this one. The, a peasant saying, we should improve society somewhat. And then, a man popping out of a well saying, yeah, you participate in society. Curious! I am very intelligent.
• 39:45
  Phil: Yeah.
• 39:46
  Tad Eggleston: And here, there's a small sampling of remixes.
• 39:51
  Phil: Oh, nice.
• 39:52
  Tad Eggleston: Here's the full, full original comic.
• 39:54
  Phil: Oh, wow, I don't think I've ever seen the other 3 panels!
• 39:58
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 39:58
  Phil: That's wild!
• 40:01
  TIE Fighter: Alright, let's, finish the crap.
• 40:03
  Tad Eggleston: Then a bunch of people will be… Writing about it, etc.
• 40:10
  Tad Eggleston: So, it reminded me on one level of, how to read Nancy?
• 40:18
  Phil: Nice.
• 40:19
  Tad Eggleston: We're, we're, like, it's this, this, this crazy… Deep dive into… one small.
• 40:28
  Phil: Right? That… I'm laughing because that… I saw recently, when scrolling on Reddit, someone asking to explain the joke of a Nancy comic, and I was like, if you don't get Nancy, there's something wrong with you. There's just a fundamental disconnect from society.
• 40:43
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, like, the, the only thing I can, I can,
• 40:52
  Tad Eggleston: Some Olivia James, and I haven't read as much of the Carolyn Cash stuff as I'd like, you have to be either younger or more wired in.
• 41:02
  Tad Eggleston: To get, some of the humor gets a little bit more subtle.
• 41:06
  Phil: It was a, it was a classic Nancy, or at least it looked like a classic Nancy. Someone, someone, most likely a bot, was, was just, was just not having a good time.
• 41:17
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right. So, anybody,
• 41:21
  Tad Eggleston: Coming soon on Kickstarter, we've got Forgotten Divine from Mark Russell, Russ Braun from Ahoy, interviews from Mark and Russ, as well as Ahoy Heads Tom Pyre and Stuart Moore are already available on 22 Panels, as is a conversation with
• 41:40
  Tad Eggleston: Jason Cohn, whose film documentary, Tezuka, God of Manga, will be launching soon on Kickstarter. That was my most recent conversation. It went live last night.
• 41:54
  TIE Fighter: All right.
• 41:55
  Phil: I'll do that.
• 41:56
  Tad Eggleston: So, learn more.
• 41:57
  TIE Fighter: Humble Bundles.
• 41:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yep, humble bundles.
• 42:00
  TIE Fighter: Alright.
• 42:01
  Tad Eggleston: I just bought them.
• 42:02
  TIE Fighter: Humble, Bernardo.
• 42:03
  Phil: A bundle of humbling.
• 42:04
  TIE Fighter: Strange Romance from Image Comics. Right now, you guys, you can get, 59 items, which include falling in love on the path to hell.
• 42:14
  TIE Fighter: for $18. Includes Love Everlasting, Saga, Sex Criminals, tons of stuff. Guys, this image bundle is great. And then, book… it goes to the Book Industry Charitable Foundation. It's recently been extended to May 21st.
• 42:30
  TIE Fighter: Next we have the boys' grand finale, for… you get 13 items with this, so it's the complete series plus the offshoots for $18, and that goes to the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, and that has also been extended to the 21st.
• 42:46
  TIE Fighter: And then, last up, we've got the complete Terry Moore. This, is huge, so if you liked any of the stuff we were talking about earlier with Terry Moore, definitely check this out. 54 items for $16, and this goes to the World Kitchen, or excuse me, World Central Kitchen.
• 43:05
  TIE Fighter: Again, extended to May 21st.
• 43:10
  TIE Fighter: Chad, 3 amazing new books!
• 43:12
  Tad Eggleston: Top spot was easy.
• 43:15
  Tad Eggleston: Absolute Martial Manhunter 11, and Bleeding Hearts number 4, Dennis Camp, Javier Rodriguez, and Dennis Camp, and Stippy and Morian, from DC and DC Vertigo, respectively.
• 43:28
  TIE Fighter: Camp again, yes.
• 43:29
  TIE Fighter: His, his absolute… or, excuse me, his bleeding Hearts is so great.
• 43:34
  Tad Eggleston: Bleeding Hearts is great, but, like, there aren't words to describe
• 43:41
  Tad Eggleston: like, I just did a reread of… of Absolute…
• 43:48
  Tad Eggleston: Martian Manhunter, because it was the Bendis Book Club on Word Balloon.
• 43:53
  TIE Fighter: Yep.
• 43:54
  Tad Eggleston: And there just… there aren't… Great.
• 43:59
  Tad Eggleston: it's really hard to use words to describe how good it is.
• 44:03
  Phil: You gotta use pictures.
• 44:04
  Tad Eggleston: I'm trying to.
• 44:08
  TIE Fighter: The great thing about comic books is you have both.
• 44:10
  Phil: Well.
• 44:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 44:12
  Tad Eggleston: But, but, but, like… I've been, like, composing a dream team book club.
• 44:25
  Tad Eggleston: Around this book.
• 44:27
  Tad Eggleston: try to make happen over the summer, where it's…
• 44:31
  Tad Eggleston: Master, master cartoonist and or, like… super smart comic.
• 44:42
  Tad Eggleston: adjacent people.
• 44:45
  Tad Eggleston: Who aren't necessarily superhero people.
• 44:50
  Tad Eggleston: Because, like, This book is just so much.
• 44:58
  Tad Eggleston: deeper.
• 45:02
  TIE Fighter: You're talking about Martian Manhunter, right? Or Bleeding Park.
• 45:04
  Tad Eggleston: Absolute Martian mantarch.
• 45:05
  TIE Fighter: That's what I thought.
• 45:06
  Tad Eggleston: Don't get me wrong, bleeding hearts?
• 45:10
  TIE Fighter: Yeah. But, you know, prior to Dennis Camp, I wouldn't have gave two thoughts about Martian Manhunter.
• 45:18
  TIE Fighter: But… It's good. It's just really good.
• 45:22
  Tad Eggleston: So, so yeah, no, I, yeah.
• 45:27
  Tad Eggleston: But also, I actually went back and re-read the first 9 issues of Forged, so that I could read 10 and be up to date, and enjoyed the first 9 way more than I remembered enjoying them before, possibly because it's another one of those that had a inconsistent release schedule, and therefore, you know…
• 45:47
  Tad Eggleston: managing to keep the story together in my head was difficult, but, Greg… Greg Recca and Mike Henderson's, book is quite fantastic. Can't recommend it enough. And then, D'Arc!
• 45:59
  Tad Eggleston: I like to say it that way.
• 46:01
  TIE Fighter: I like how you're still trying to make it classy. You're just like, geo…
• 46:05
  Tad Eggleston: The arc.
• 46:08
  Tad Eggleston: Number 4 from Brett Bean at Image was also amazing, and a great work of, comics. So, Phil, take a walk while I cover my eyes and ears.
• 46:18
  Phil: Yep, oh yeah, we are going below the fold with this one, guys. Way down below. If you notice, Tyler was absent last week, and the only way we could lure him back is by promise to talking about one of his favorite subjects.
• 46:32
  Phil: Porn.
• 46:35
  TIE Fighter: When I got that… when I got that text that you were going to be doing porn, I… I thought… no, I'm just kidding.
• 46:44
  Phil: Worlds!
• 46:45
  Tad Eggleston: Tyler, were you Phil's first OnlyFans subscriber?
• 46:49
  Phil: Oh god, oh god, please.
• 46:51
  TIE Fighter: It was a…
• 46:52
  Phil: No, no only fills. OnlyFills is not a thing.
• 46:55
  TIE Fighter: I hope so.
• 46:57
  Phil: Oh, so…
• 46:59
  TIE Fighter: It was a mutual thing. He followed my… he followed mine, I followed.
• 47:03
  Phil: Follow for follow.
• 47:04
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, you know.
• 47:05
  Phil: cross-promotion.
• 47:06
  TIE Fighter: It's…
• 47:07
  Phil: It's just… it's just us… us pushing our beards together.
• 47:12
  Phil: Okay.
• 47:13
  TIE Fighter: Oh, bad.
• 47:13
  Phil: Anna!
• 47:14
  TIE Fighter: Welcome.
• 47:14
  Phil: On a much more serious note. It's like, don't.
• 47:17
  TIE Fighter: Brows stuck together.
• 47:18
  Phil: Like, good God, we're so… oh, oh, this better not awaken anything in me. So…
• 47:25
  Phil: Kickstarter has announced, new, well, while not quite a ban, new challenges to promoting, explicit or adult material on their website via pressure from their payment processor, Stripe.
• 47:41
  Phil: So now, supposedly, you can kickstart, erotic literature or comics of some kind, as long as you don't talk about it, or you don't show any of it.
• 47:52
  Phil: Even if it's censored. It's a little ridiculous. Thankfully, it sounds like Kickstarter is open to feedback at this time, so if this is a passionate subject of yours that you think, hey.
• 48:04
  Phil: we need to protect SMUT. It is usually the canary in the coal mine of other censorship and oppression that goes on. You know, it'd be great if, Kickstarter changed course on this one, and, you know, just let people, let people have a good time.
• 48:19
  Tad Eggleston: So… I wonder if we'd protect it.
• 48:24
  Tad Eggleston: more and better?
• 48:26
  Tad Eggleston: Came up with a word other than smut.
• 48:29
  Phil: I mean, here… I thought you were gonna say a word other than smart. Other than porn, I think smut's not bad, you know? I think that…
• 48:37
  Phil: I mean, porn is… is certainly the… at least to me, the one with a lot more negative connotations. Smut is, like, playful, you know?
• 48:45
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 48:46
  Phil: it's kind of funny, but I agree. I mean, it… to quote Alan Moore, you know, pornography is usually an indication of the society, so if you want a better society, you need to create better pornography.
• 49:01
  Phil: You know, meaning more humanist and, you know.
• 49:06
  TIE Fighter: It's AI.
• 49:07
  Phil: Yes, 100%, all good.
• 49:09
  TIE Fighter: Right? I mean, I don't know about you guys, but when I'm watching a good porn, and all of a sudden… no, I'm just kidding.
• 49:16
  Phil: A computer walks in, I'm out, you know?
• 49:19
  TIE Fighter: I am out. That computer-generated, ladies, or guys, no, I'm just kidding.
• 49:28
  TIE Fighter: This is too much. This is too much… this is too much fun, Phil, this.
• 49:31
  Phil: This is too much fun!
• 49:33
  TIE Fighter: porn topic, you've…
• 49:35
  Phil: Now we're gonna… we're gonna lasso that in and stuff it back down into our deepest repression holes, and never talk about it.
• 49:41
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'll just say that, Tyler, if you're really into the robot porn, there's this, there's this comic called Saga?
• 49:51
  Phil: There we go! There we go!
• 49:53
  TIE Fighter: They love it.
• 49:54
  Phil: You know, this is a subject I'm sure Brian K. Vaughan would agree with us on.
• 49:59
  TIE Fighter: Alright. So, One Piece Race…
• 50:04
  TIE Fighter: I'm sorry, are we done with the,
• 50:06
  Phil: I'm done. I'm done. I'm as done as I can be.
• 50:09
  TIE Fighter: Okay. One Piece Race, week 99!
• 50:13
  Tad Eggleston: Wait a minute. Yeah. So, so you, you, you really, you, you blew it that fast?
• 50:19
  TIE Fighter: blew up.
• 50:20
  Phil: Yeah.
• 50:21
  TIE Fighter: Baum bum. Yep. Yep. Yes. Yes.
• 50:25
  Phil: It was just…
• 50:26
  Tad Eggleston: off.
• 50:27
  TIE Fighter: Phil, I'm okay.
• 50:28
  Phil: No, I'm dry, I'm dry.
• 50:31
  TIE Fighter: Holy shit.
• 50:32
  Tad Eggleston: Is that what she said?
• 50:34
  Phil: No!
• 50:36
  TIE Fighter: I can't breathe, you guys.
• 50:38
  Phil: That was good.
• 50:39
  Phil: That was good. Oh, man.
• 50:42
  TIE Fighter: Did you wipe off?
• 50:46
  Phil: If this is a Zoom, anything could be happening off-camera.
• 50:50
  TIE Fighter: This got dirty. This got dirty.
• 50:52
  Phil: This is why we don't joke.
• 50:54
  Tad Eggleston: Please keep your camera on your face, Phil.
• 50:57
  Phil: I'm so sorry, Tad's mom, I just remember.
• 50:59
  TIE Fighter: If you're listening.
• 51:01
  Phil: I apologize.
• 51:03
  Phil: I don't want you to.
• 51:04
  TIE Fighter: Seeing it, like.
• 51:04
  Phil: this.
• 51:05
  TIE Fighter: Oh my god.
• 51:06
  Tad Eggleston: Happy birthday, Mom!
• 51:08
  TIE Fighter: Oh, baby!
• 51:08
  Phil: No! Not after Mother's Day!
• 51:13
  Tad Eggleston: Her birthday was Thursday, actually, so, I mean, it's not quite…
• 51:18
  Phil: Happy belated birthday, Tessa.
• 51:20
  TIE Fighter: Oh, my eyes are watering.
• 51:22
  Tad Eggleston: Well, depending on when I publish this, I'm going to a baseball game with her tomorrow. If I publish this before I leave, there's a good chance that she'll have listened to it by the time I see her.
• 51:34
  Phil: So…
• 51:35
  Tad Eggleston: I'll have a drive to listen.
• 51:38
  Phil: Definitely keeps on giving.
• 51:39
  Tad Eggleston: I'm just gonna, I'm gonna point out to Mom that, like, this was all Phil's idea.
• 51:46
  Phil: Yeah.
• 51:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yes, I may have… Lobbed some… some verbal grenades, but that's just because.
• 51:54
  Phil: He was an innocent bystander.
• 51:56
  TIE Fighter: I love that.
• 51:56
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I have, I have, I have friends who have…
• 52:01
  Tad Eggleston: have corrupted me, and I'm tired, and, you know, the stuff just rolled off of my, off of my tongue, and I'll say it like.
• 52:11
  TIE Fighter: What's your mom's name?
• 52:13
  Tad Eggleston: Julie.
• 52:14
  TIE Fighter: Alright.
• 52:15
  Tad Eggleston: I'll say thanks to our patron, Andy, for corrupting me so well, and having the, the…
• 52:23
  Tad Eggleston: the various, is that what she said and whatnot become part of my lexicon.
• 52:30
  Phil: That was… that was one of the best that… is that what she said that I've heard in a minute, so, applause. Applause to you.
• 52:37
  TIE Fighter: Alright, so let's… let's just take a serious minute. Julie, I… I can't… I can't even be.
• 52:43
  Phil: You can't take a serious minute!
• 52:45
  TIE Fighter: I am sorry that we have corrupted Tad. I'm so sorry.
• 52:50
  TIE Fighter: But…
• 52:52
  Tad Eggleston: You know, she's known me for 46 years.
• 52:55
  TIE Fighter: I don't think.
• 52:55
  Tad Eggleston: She believes that any of you have corrupted my life.
• 52:58
  Phil: I wasn't gonna say, this is one of those societal notions that we'd love to start changing, that, hey, maybe this shouldn't be seen as impure and corrupted from, like, a puritanical moral system.
• 53:09
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's actually another thing I'll say about taking away the stigma of… Things like this, like…
• 53:17
  Tad Eggleston: If you don't call all porn bad.
• 53:21
  Tad Eggleston: Then you can start having discussions about what is good and what is bad porn.
• 53:26
  Phil: Exactly. You know?
• 53:27
  TIE Fighter: It needs… to be good porn, it needs to have a story.
• 53:32
  Phil: Yes, agreed. Agreed. And I mean, like, it's.
• 53:35
  TIE Fighter: It's all…
• 53:35
  Phil: Also, it's also.
• 53:36
  TIE Fighter: I…
• 53:36
  Phil: Those things that, like…
• 53:37
  TIE Fighter: I need to be wooed a little bit, right?
• 53:40
  Phil: need some romance, you know? And that's perfectly fine. And so, the way I think of it is that, mentally, if everyone could just divide porn into three categories, one, yes, I'm into that.
• 53:52
  Phil: Two, I'm not into that, but it's still okay. And three, that probably shouldn't exist.
• 53:57
  Phil: That would be a great place to start. Right now, too many people are putting things entirely into
• 54:04
  Phil: one bucket or the other, you know?
• 54:06
  TIE Fighter: Yup.
• 54:07
  Phil: Or acceptance of things that you're not specifically into.
• 54:10
  TIE Fighter: It needs to… it needs to be… be a, a spectrum, you know?
• 54:14
  Phil: Yeah. And again, this stuff isn't gonna change if people don't talk about it. If it continues being a subject that people are too embarrassed to talk about, or ashamed, or… it just… that's how oppression runs rampant, when we don't talk to each other.
• 54:29
  TIE Fighter: Yep.
• 54:31
  Phil: Cool. That's my soapbox, I'm gonna put it back.
• 54:34
  Tad Eggleston: I honestly think that one of the reasons that Europe seems to have so many less problems with a lot of these things is because they sent their Puritans here.
• 54:44
  Phil: Yeah!
• 54:44
  TIE Fighter: The Puritans came to America, so they're fine over there now.
• 54:49
  Phil: The people who were too stuck up and, judgmental for the British were sent over here.
• 54:58
  TIE Fighter: That's funny.
• 54:59
  TIE Fighter: Oh, man, let's talk about some Copra.
• 55:03
  Tad Eggleston: What!
• 55:04
  Phil: Go through.
• 55:04
  Tad Eggleston: Skip something!
• 55:05
  TIE Fighter: Did they?
• 55:06
  Phil: You were not becalmed.
• 55:07
  TIE Fighter: Oh my god.
• 55:08
  Tad Eggleston: I was not becalmed.
• 55:10
  TIE Fighter: Here's the thing. Here… here's the… here's the thing.
• 55:13
  Phil: Maybe you need to find a, find a way to participate in this, in this grand tradition, of course.
• 55:18
  TIE Fighter: Oh, of One Piece?
• 55:19
  Phil: Yeah.
• 55:19
  TIE Fighter: Okay, alright. So, week 99, you guys, of One Piece. 99.
• 55:27
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, and we did actually go back and, like, get the numbers right. You notice there's no question mark there.
• 55:32
  Phil: anymore. I'm like, I feel like we jumped ahead, because we were…
• 55:35
  TIE Fighter: I did.
• 55:36
  Phil: for a while.
• 55:36
  TIE Fighter: We did. Last week, well, or two weeks ago, when you were gone, Phil, or whatever it was, Tad and I did a quick, research…
• 55:44
  Tad Eggleston: Two weeks ago. I don't know if it was strictly two weeks ago, but…
• 55:48
  TIE Fighter: Oh, you're right, you're right. It was in the past.
• 55:50
  Phil: In… yeah.
• 55:51
  TIE Fighter: we did a little research and figured out that we are actually, right now, currently 99. Nice.
• 55:59
  Phil: That's awesome.
• 55:59
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, and…
• 56:00
  Phil: So it's almost 2 years, coming up on the 2-year mark.
• 56:04
  Tad Eggleston: It is.
• 56:04
  TIE Fighter: of chatting about One Piece.
• 56:08
  TIE Fighter: Currently, I'm not participating in it, because… Life is hard.
• 56:14
  Phil: That's fair.
• 56:15
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I read a book and a half this, this, this.
• 56:20
  TIE Fighter: you know.
• 56:21
  Tad Eggleston: I'm through, I'm through volume.
• 56:24
  Tad Eggleston: and Tyler, control yourself. I just finished Volume 69.
• 56:33
  TIE Fighter: I'm fine. You know why? Because I have an emotional support pickle.
• 56:37
  Phil: That's amazing. Oh, that's fantastic. That's hilarious.
• 56:42
  Phil: Oh, did your emotional support pickle time out earlier?
• 56:45
  TIE Fighter: Did it sign up? Yeah, you know…
• 56:49
  Phil: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that's the last one for now. That's the last one for now.
• 56:53
  TIE Fighter: Hell!
• 56:54
  Phil: And this is now… so, Tat, are we accepting, Manhwa in the… because, you know, my goal in this one-piece race is to see, how, how many other series. So I read, a little Manhwa called, My Bias Gets on the Last Train.
• 57:09
  Phil: It was actually a really cute rom-com about, two people who, met by, taking the last train home.
• 57:18
  Phil: together, and one of the guy, accidentally plays some indie music loudly, and the girl then says, hey, I recognize that, that's, you know, this band, Long Afternoon. He's like, oh yeah, I absolutely love them. Turns out.
• 57:32
  Phil: she is the artist Long Afternoon, and so now it's like they're in a romance, but she's ideing that she's, you know, his favorite artist from him. It's really cute. It's really cute and innocent and sweet, so I had a good time.
• 57:43
  TIE Fighter: Until she has to tell him the truth, and he dumps her.
• 57:46
  Phil: Well, that's what… that's the lingering drama, yeah, that's the tension.
• 57:51
  Tad Eggleston: In one piece, they're saving children that the government is experimenting on.
• 57:56
  TIE Fighter: That's…
• 57:56
  Phil: That's, you know, certainly seems more prescient, that's for sure.
• 58:02
  Tad Eggleston: So… Yeah.
• 58:05
  Tad Eggleston: now we can talk some Copra. Okay. Alright. This volume.
• 58:09
  Phil: In the clear. This was… this is a good one.
• 58:11
  TIE Fighter: Hey, you guys, did you guys read this digitally, or do either of you seen it physically? Because it's huge, Volume 7.
• 58:18
  Phil: Digitally, yeah.
• 58:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I know it's huge. I read it digitally.
• 58:20
  Phil: Team Bicker, yeah.
• 58:21
  Tad Eggleston: It's like, it's like 300-some-odd pages.
• 58:24
  Phil: Yeah, there's way more than, the typical volume so far.
• 58:29
  Tad Eggleston: I think a lot of it was because it was a shorter story arc. He threw in the verses, he threw in some of the stuff that hadn't been published previously.
• 58:39
  TIE Fighter: Yep, yep.
• 58:41
  Tad Eggleston: This was also the volume… I kind of realized this, but this was the volume where I really, really realized, like, the level of indie…
• 58:52
  Tad Eggleston: Most of this was when it came out, in terms of…
• 58:57
  Tad Eggleston: He'd make it all himself, he'd print it all himself, he'd send it out, all himself.
• 59:03
  Tad Eggleston: Like, it was a really old-school comics community built out of this book.
• 59:10
  Tad Eggleston: And I like, I like that,
• 59:14
  Tad Eggleston: The Copra Versus was both a way to…
• 59:20
  Tad Eggleston: Expand on some of our villains.
• 59:23
  TIE Fighter: Also…
• 59:24
  Tad Eggleston: Also, an opportunity for him to… Mess with different styles?
• 59:33
  TIE Fighter: Yep.
• 59:36
  Tad Eggleston: I kind of want the artist's take on that.
• 59:39
  Tad Eggleston: Tyler.
• 59:40
  TIE Fighter: For different… working with different styles, I feel… Well, but what you're.
• 59:45
  Tad Eggleston: What you thought of, of, of his…
• 59:49
  Tad Eggleston: of the styles he was doing, you know, there was the one where… where he penciled and then colored and didn't ink, and… Yeah. …did straight ink, and…
• 59:59
  TIE Fighter: Yep, and, you know, so you had this difference between, like, kinetic action and, like.
• 1:00:04
  TIE Fighter: A little bit more, like, quiet, personal drawing.
• 1:00:09
  TIE Fighter: I know those are weird words, but, like, I just felt like it would go from bombastic
• 1:00:18
  TIE Fighter: to just… I don't know.
• 1:00:22
  TIE Fighter: Like, pressure is relieved with the, with the, more… quiet artwork.
• 1:00:28
  TIE Fighter: I don't… do you know what I mean?
• 1:00:31
  TIE Fighter: To me, to me, it released pressure of, you know, and I bring it back to Robert Kirkman writing Die, Die, Die, and there was no relief in that, it was just constant action.
• 1:00:44
  TIE Fighter: And… this is a good blend.
• 1:00:47
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:00:47
  TIE Fighter: And when he switches art styles to deter, you know, to show the difference between the two, I think it really works well.
• 1:00:54
  Phil: Oh, yeah. Well, and I appreciated his notes on, how he was playing with storytelling as well, with those changes in art style, of that. I didn't realize that the reason, Copra issue 25 was, you know, considered the long-lost issue was because it was a flashback.
• 1:01:11
  Phil: And it took him pointing out that it's been a continuous string of events with, you know, a memory here, or a reference to past events there, but it's been largely unbroken.
• 1:01:24
  Phil: In that way, and that issue 25 would have broken that, that, cohesiveness. So, I really appreciate that, as well as, Daddy's versus issue being told, you know, pretty wildly differently from… from how most issues have gone so far, was also…
• 1:01:41
  Tad Eggleston: With the one story per panel?
• 1:01:44
  Phil: yeah, like, holy cow, that's, you know, that's the kind of stuff that I love seeing. And I felt like…
• 1:01:52
  Phil: Oh, the… my main… my biggest point, from last week was that it… the art felt off to me last volume. Like, it felt like he was changing his style to fit more of the expectations of a typical image reader. And now, with this volume, it feels like he's…
• 1:02:09
  Phil: kind of found himself again, to where he's getting weird, he's getting experimental. This has some of, probably, the most experimental stuff in Copra that we've seen so far.
• 1:02:20
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, I agree. Like, in the early stuff, he did kind of go back and forth between, like, less…
• 1:02:31
  TIE Fighter: Detailed isn't the word, but.
• 1:02:33
  Phil: Frank.
• 1:02:34
  TIE Fighter: Simple? I don't know, that's not the… still not the right word.
• 1:02:38
  Phil: It's like, all of… it… Early on, all of the artistic liberties, like the… the…
• 1:02:47
  Phil: non-conventional storytelling was done to service the action, whereas now, I feel like the non-conventional storytelling is the point of itself, you know? And so it's used in more quiet moments, and it's not just… it's not like it just gets weird when there's action.
• 1:03:06
  Phil: If that's, like, an overarching, .
• 1:03:09
  TIE Fighter: Oh, I…
• 1:03:09
  Phil: you there.
• 1:03:10
  TIE Fighter: I agree.
• 1:03:11
  TIE Fighter: Yup, and then, to me.
• 1:03:16
  TIE Fighter: Having this mix of, you know, the main… the main, arc.
• 1:03:24
  TIE Fighter: But then, also including these long out-of-print rarities, previously, you know, like, stuff we hadn't seen, or at the time it was coming out, readers wouldn't have seen it.
• 1:03:35
  TIE Fighter: You know, it really dove deep into the rogues gallery kind of thing, and, you know, early adventures, you know? I just think it…
• 1:03:45
  TIE Fighter: It was a great collection, almost, as opposed to… yes, there was the main,
• 1:03:52
  TIE Fighter: arc, right? But there was so much more included.
• 1:03:56
  Phil: And this is one… If… sorry, go ahead.
• 1:04:00
  TIE Fighter: It just added flavor to the whole thing, all 7 volumes so far. Is there 8 total, or how many are there?
• 1:04:06
  Phil: Yeah, right.
• 1:04:07
  Tad Eggleston: now?
• 1:04:07
  Phil: that's what I was getting to, is that if I was someone who was, reading these volumes as they came out, this would be like a signpost that, okay, he's… he's kind of cleaning out the closet before the series is over, you know? Because…
• 1:04:22
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, the writing here, there are a couple places where he talks about 50 and beyond, so I don't.
• 1:04:29
  Phil: Power feature.
• 1:04:30
  Tad Eggleston: Changed his mind between…
• 1:04:33
  Phil: rating.
• 1:04:33
  Tad Eggleston: the essay stuff here, or if we're gonna read Death to Copra and go, oh, wait a minute, this isn't necessarily
• 1:04:41
  Tad Eggleston: Over, over.
• 1:04:42
  Phil: Yeah. That would be interesting to see.
• 1:04:44
  TIE Fighter: I think that'll probably be the case.
• 1:04:46
  Phil: I mean, it, it…
• 1:04:48
  Phil: the… my biggest guess that it'll probably be over-over is because they're putting out the master collections, which, I mean, like, could be wrong. It'd be great if it's wrong. It'd be great if there's either a second series or a spin-off, you know, regardless of whether it's connected.
• 1:05:03
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, the first Master Collection came out when he went to Image to begin with.
• 1:05:09
  Phil: Oh, okay. Okay. Because I just saw that the Volume 2…
• 1:05:12
  Tad Eggleston: Second one and third one are… are…
• 1:05:16
  Tad Eggleston: Second one is coming out soon, the third one's been, I think, announced.
• 1:05:20
  Phil: Nice, yeah. I am definitely gonna be looking at those, Christmas scenes here.
• 1:05:26
  Tad Eggleston: Those are definitely… things I want to add to my…
• 1:05:33
  Tad Eggleston: I.
• 1:05:35
  TIE Fighter: I think…
• 1:05:36
  Tad Eggleston: library.
• 1:05:37
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, I think we… I mean, when we talk about, like, how big it was, I brought this up, because if you think about it, he's a one-man show.
• 1:05:45
  TIE Fighter: And the sheer labor that went into writing, drawing, inking, coloring, and lettering every one of the core.
• 1:05:54
  Phil: Yeah?
• 1:05:54
  TIE Fighter: core pages, right? And on top of that, he definitely doesn't use digital gradients, digital coloring, nothing. He's using colored pencils, and markers, and traditional ink.
• 1:06:07
  Phil: I think he's starting to more… like, that was the thing, because that was the thing, is there… I noticed some… it was definitely digital colors starting with last volume, and there's a couple points of it here, but he's blended in more of the colored pencils again.
• 1:06:21
  Phil: So that was kind of what fell off about last Volume 2, was that, like, oh wow, this is, at least as far as I can tell, this is definitely digital coloring, and even, you know, but yeah, but even still, even with just touches of digital coloring, it's still a massively impressive labor, to put out an entire issue, one-man show.
• 1:06:40
  TIE Fighter: the panel structures are so crazy and different, because, like, right? We, routinely have, characters being smashed through panel borders. Yep.
• 1:06:53
  Tad Eggleston: That…
• 1:06:54
  Tad Eggleston: Go ahead, finish, but that leads me to, like, the next major topic that I was gonna bring up.
• 1:07:02
  TIE Fighter: And so, and so that kind of layout really,
• 1:07:07
  TIE Fighter: helps bring to life the chaotic and speed of those fights, you know what I mean?
• 1:07:13
  Phil: Absolutely.
• 1:07:14
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, go ahead, Ted.
• 1:07:17
  Tad Eggleston: What did you think of that last arc?
• 1:07:21
  Tad Eggleston: And would you have noticed that he used a 9-panel undergrid if he hadn't told you?
• 1:07:28
  Phil: I would not… I would not have noticed.
• 1:07:30
  TIE Fighter: I would not, nope, nope.
• 1:07:31
  Phil: I mean, there were enough variations there to where I probably would have seen, okay, yeah, there's 9-panel grid going on, but I don't think I would have seen it for the whole thing. Nope, yeah.
• 1:07:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:07:44
  TIE Fighter: But it… once you see it, or once you're told that that's what he did, you're like, oh, that looks cool.
• 1:07:50
  Tad Eggleston: And that… and that really… I mean, it's another statement about the versatility of comics, you know? I mean, I… as much as I love…
• 1:07:59
  Tad Eggleston: Creative panels and, and, and whatever, you know,
• 1:08:05
  Tad Eggleston: You know, some of my favorite cartoonists never use them at all.
• 1:08:10
  Tad Eggleston: You know, the, the, the… the Hernandez brothers are almost exclusively
• 1:08:17
  Tad Eggleston: 4, 6, 8, or 9 panel grids.
• 1:08:21
  Phil: Nice.
• 1:08:22
  Tad Eggleston: you know, Kirby tends towards… 4 and 8 panel grids. Actually, most of his, like, serious…
• 1:08:34
  Tad Eggleston: grid experimentation is pre his Marvel years.
• 1:08:38
  Phil: Oh, interesting.
• 1:08:41
  Tad Eggleston: Kirby has more…
• 1:08:43
  Phil: Okay, I don't think I've seen that stuff, because I mostly think of… I mean, when you said four-panel, I'm like, oh yeah, most of the Fourth World stuff of his I read was in…
• 1:08:52
  Phil: Was in 4 panels, more or less.
• 1:08:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  TIE Fighter: He's definitely matured… panel stuff aside, he's definitely matured from round 1 to Round 7, I mean, as artists do.
• 1:09:04
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and I think… like, the way I understand it,
• 1:09:09
  Tad Eggleston: That was part of this exercise period, was to spend less time
• 1:09:16
  Tad Eggleston: Planning and more time doing to build the skills.
• 1:09:22
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  TIE Fighter: Well, it worked. I mean, because early round, like, round one, the line work was raw, it was scratchy, it was intentionally, I think, inconsistent. It was inconsistent.
• 1:09:34
  TIE Fighter: Heavily reliant on, you know, jagged, high, friction, ink lines.
• 1:09:42
  TIE Fighter: Yeah. And then, by the time round 7 comes around, he's definitely more confident and precise. His artwork feels fluid. The line weight on each of the lines is much more deliberate.
• 1:09:55
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:09:56
  TIE Fighter: It reminds me of somebody… Round 1 reminds me of somebody who's brand new at tattooing.
• 1:10:02
  TIE Fighter: And then… and then later on, you see some of their work, and the lines are just perfect, and confident, and…
• 1:10:09
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:10
  TIE Fighter: you know, they're able to pull that line really, really well. You know, and even when we talk about coloring, right? Early, early on, the pencil strokes of his colored pencils were very…
• 1:10:23
  Phil: scratchy.
• 1:10:23
  TIE Fighter: Yep.
• 1:10:24
  TIE Fighter: And he had sparse color fields, right? It wasn't, like, very nice.
• 1:10:29
  Phil: It wasn't fully packed, it wasn't solid. That was what tipped me off to the digital coloring, was that it was a solid, even block of color.
• 1:10:35
  TIE Fighter: I… I don't know if it's digital. I assumed it wasn't.
• 1:10:41
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:10:41
  TIE Fighter: But I don't know if it is, but I agree with you that it changed, because then… then all of a sudden we had multi-layers and dense textures, the blending of the markers was amazing.
• 1:10:55
  TIE Fighter: Other pencils were still there, but he definitely used more mixed media.
• 1:10:59
  Phil: Yeah. Well, and I think that what you're talking about, the evolution, is that
• 1:11:05
  Phil: some of the… some of the aspects of the art that felt chaotic in Volume 1 now feel intentional by Volume 7. So, like, the scratchiness of those lines and the unevenness, it felt like a product of how fast he was going early on, but now.
• 1:11:21
  TIE Fighter: Oh my goodness.
• 1:11:21
  Phil: Like, an intentional look and technique that he's trying to go for.
• 1:11:26
  Phil: Which is just so cool to see, as, like, that's one of the great things about comics is, like.
• 1:11:31
  Phil: when you start reading a series of Volume 1, you're like, wow, this is incredible, and then, like, you keep going, and they get better as you go on. It's like, oh, it's such a great feeling.
• 1:11:42
  Phil: It's one of the things I love about long-running series like this, and seeing others develop and grow.
• 1:11:46
  TIE Fighter: I hate to use the word mature, because.
• 1:11:49
  TIE Fighter: It's implying that he was immature, as an artist at the beginning, and he wasn't.
• 1:11:56
  Tad Eggleston: And I just think of it like… like wine maturing, or cheese.
• 1:12:00
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:12:00
  Tad Eggleston: maturing.
• 1:12:01
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:12:03
  TIE Fighter: Yeah.
• 1:12:03
  Phil: That's a good point.
• 1:12:04
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, and so by round 7, the surrealism is being pushed, like, it was always there, but by round 7 here, it's crazy, and so Fife balances, right? He uses that negative space really well with, you know, very dense backgrounds.
• 1:12:24
  TIE Fighter: Making… making, you know, the sci-fi and magical elements, I guess, feel more…
• 1:12:32
  TIE Fighter: Grand and over… big and overwhelming, you know?
• 1:12:35
  Phil: Yeah, I, I love.
• 1:12:36
  TIE Fighter: I tried to search for the right words, but…
• 1:12:38
  Phil: I love how he uses abstraction to emphasize sci-fi and fantastical elements, because so much of the rest of the team is just, like.
• 1:12:47
  Phil: Dudes with guns, and a guy who can beat the shit out of people, you know?
• 1:12:51
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:52
  Phil: That, yes, that he uses the non-traditional techniques, strange paneling, the, you know, scenes with people's arms flying all over the place. He uses the surrealism to emphasize supernatural elements, and that works super, super well in a series that
• 1:13:11
  Phil: Started off feeling really grounded, and then got really crazy really fast.
• 1:13:17
  TIE Fighter: I think I'm gonna try and get… can these still be bought in physical form?
• 1:13:22
  Phil: A lot.
• 1:13:23
  Tad Eggleston: A lot of them are hard to be bought in physical form, period.
• 1:13:27
  TIE Fighter: So I'm gonna… I was gonna try and get.
• 1:13:28
  Tad Eggleston: So many.
• 1:13:28
  TIE Fighter: norm.
• 1:13:29
  Tad Eggleston: were… Whoa. So it… I bet…
• 1:13:34
  Phil: Single issues are probably really hard to find, because there was a small press, self-published thing.
• 1:13:39
  Tad Eggleston: He was doing everything.
• 1:13:41
  Tad Eggleston: Mailing them out to his subscribers.
• 1:13:44
  Phil: Image does the trades now, so it's possible…
• 1:13:47
  TIE Fighter: I could get the trades. That's what I was… that's what I was…
• 1:13:50
  Tad Eggleston: Trades shouldn't be hard.
• 1:13:51
  Phil: Yeah. I'm hoping Master Collection Volume 1 isn't, like, sold out, out of print everywhere.
• 1:13:56
  Tad Eggleston: it's not…
• 1:13:57
  Phil: Okay, cool.
• 1:13:59
  TIE Fighter: Okay.
• 1:14:00
  Tad Eggleston: I may have checked.
• 1:14:02
  Phil: I was gonna say, I, I, you know, starting to think about Christmas already.
• 1:14:06
  TIE Fighter: Alright, guys, let's, keep moving, cause I'm hungry.
• 1:14:13
  Phil: Find a reason as Eddie.
• 1:14:15
  TIE Fighter: Yep. Alright, do you guys have anything, final words on Copra?
• 1:14:20
  Phil: I'm excited for next volume. I'm excited to see how, you know, whether it lands with, an ellipses or an exclamation point.
• 1:14:29
  TIE Fighter: Probably in ellipses. I wouldn't doubt that he'd leave it open to keep going, right?
• 1:14:35
  Phil: It'd be interesting, we'll see. We'll have to see.
• 1:14:38
  TIE Fighter: Yep. Alright, so…
• 1:14:39
  Tad Eggleston: And I would say, like, this is… this is… Michael, FIFA. Bowls.
• 1:14:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:14:47
  Phil: Yeah, right?
• 1:14:47
  Tad Eggleston: Dot, dot, dot.
• 1:14:49
  Phil: Boom!
• 1:14:51
  Tad Eggleston: I think it'll actually be boom, dot dot dot.
• 1:14:54
  Phil: Oh, okay, alright, alright.
• 1:14:56
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, speaking of, do you guys like the way he writes in the sound noises, and how he incorporates them into the artwork? Oh, yeah.
• 1:15:06
  Phil: The armor.
• 1:15:07
  TIE Fighter: Media's in there, you know?
• 1:15:09
  Phil: Yeah. I… like, I don't care for onomatopoeias that stand over the art too much. I love when they're incorporated into the art, like, almost.
• 1:15:19
  TIE Fighter: Correct.
• 1:15:19
  Phil: Almost any time that the artist does the sound effects as well, they're… they're great.
• 1:15:26
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, yup, I… I agree. It's not… it's not a sticker over the top.
• 1:15:32
  TIE Fighter: it's… it's, you know, blended. It's hard to explain. And when I tried to talk to my… my art students when I was at school with them.
• 1:15:40
  TIE Fighter: is that same thing. We don't… we don't want to just slab element on top of element, you know what I mean? And make this, like, non-cohesive thing. You gotta find a way for the viewer to just flow from one thing to the other, you know?
• 1:15:57
  TIE Fighter: But anyway, three books we hope will be spectacular. Tad, what do you got?
• 1:16:03
  Tad Eggleston: I got Narco number 3 from Doug Wagner and Daniel Hilliard.
• 1:16:07
  TIE Fighter: It's alright.
• 1:16:08
  Tad Eggleston: much I love Narco.
• 1:16:10
  TIE Fighter: Just kidding, it's awesome.
• 1:16:13
  Tad Eggleston: It says how much I love Narco, that it's in my top spot.
• 1:16:17
  TIE Fighter: Yo.
• 1:16:17
  Tad Eggleston: Rather than the…
• 1:16:19
  Tad Eggleston: the double feature of number ones from Chris Condon of the Earth with Andrew Eric and Charlie Adlard, and.
• 1:16:28
  Phil: Mmm.
• 1:16:28
  Tad Eggleston: Pack Reborn with Stefano Caselli, Image, and Marvel, respectively. And then, End of Life number 4 from Kyle Starks and Steve Pugh at DC Vertigo. I know!
• 1:16:44
  Tad Eggleston: The Dead Teenagers No. 3 from Jude Ellis and S. Doyle and Caitlin Yarsky is spectacular as is. End of the Arab of the Future Volume 1, A Youth in the Middle East from Riyadh Sattoof.
• 1:16:58
  Tad Eggleston: I'm a fan of graphics.
• 1:17:00
  Tad Eggleston: Nagographic.
• 1:17:00
  TIE Fighter: I probably would move up the end of life to number 2 or 1. It is so good.
• 1:17:08
  Tad Eggleston: It really is.
• 1:17:09
  TIE Fighter: It's… it's amazing.
• 1:17:10
  Tad Eggleston: Kyle's amazing.
• 1:17:11
  TIE Fighter: Narco, I think they have a… I would actually battle them out for number one. They're both equally great.
• 1:17:19
  TIE Fighter: But anyway, collections, I'll quit interrupting.
• 1:17:24
  Tad Eggleston: Phil?
• 1:17:25
  Phil: Oh, okay, I didn't know if you were going to highlight any… so… so I actually.
• 1:17:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I tossed some stuff, but…
• 1:17:30
  Phil: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:31
  Phil: the, all-new Giant Size Trade Waiter graphic novel pick. First up, yeah, so it turns out that, Copra Master Collection Book 2 is coming out this week. So figured I'd shine a light on that in case, all of our talking about Copra has enticed you to… to buy it. It's… it's coming out soon, or an easy way to ingest it is coming out soon.
• 1:17:50
  TIE Fighter: What's included… what's included with the Master Collection? Is that rounds 1, 2, and 3, or something?
• 1:17:56
  Phil: So, it's…
• 1:17:57
  Tad Eggleston: Book 2.
• 1:17:59
  TIE Fighter: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:00
  Tad Eggleston: issues were in the first Master Collection.
• 1:18:03
  Tad Eggleston: Think this one takes you through 24?
• 1:18:06
  Phil: Yeah, I didn't get a full list, but I'm hoping that… if I had to guess, if they do two volumes per master volume, then there might end up being four. Who knows? Maybe they'll go more than just the first 12 this time, or the next 12 this time, but
• 1:18:21
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, we will see. And then, of course, there is a book that I read back when it came out, it's getting re-released, Dave.
• 1:18:29
  Phil: With the A as a 4, IDW Classic Collections from Ryan Ferrier and Valentin Ramon over at IDW. It's a series about, Earth after it has been, taken over by robots, and it is… it was a fucking hilarious series about, you know, the life of… of this robot, amidst a weird world. It was…
• 1:18:50
  Phil: Yeah, it's been a while. I should probably reread it, but…
• 1:18:52
  TIE Fighter: Definitely.
• 1:18:52
  Phil: Definitely recommend it. And then another book that looked really interesting is The Liquidator from Peter Milligan and Peter Kowalski.
• 1:19:00
  Phil: As well as, the colorist, the last name was Simpson, I want to say Brad Simpson? I could be wrong there, and Simon Boland, from Mad Cave. That looked like a weird, time travel story of some sort. I love, Kowalski's art, and Milligan, is a pretty good writer, too, so, definitely worth checking out if you haven't.
• 1:19:21
  TIE Fighter: Guys, I'm on… I'm on Lunar right now, looking at… looking for Copra books for my store, and initial due date for Copra Round 1, 12… 12-31-1899 is what it says.
• 1:19:39
  Tad Eggleston: the number that they put in for anything that was before Lunar started?
• 1:19:44
  TIE Fighter: Oh, that's fun.
• 1:19:45
  Phil: You know why they probably do that is, because if your invalid date is set in the 1800s, there's no way to confuse the 20 and 21st century. We run into that at my work a lot, where people set a date of 66, and they need it to say 2066 instead of 1966.
• 1:20:02
  Phil: Yeah, it's the… the… Date issue that, was solved to overt Y2K.
• 1:20:10
  TIE Fighter: Okay.
• 1:20:10
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:20:12
  TIE Fighter: Good to know. I can't… okay, I can't get the Master Collection Volume 1…
• 1:20:20
  Phil: Mmm.
• 1:20:21
  TIE Fighter: But I can get the trades.
• 1:20:23
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:20:24
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:20:25
  TIE Fighter: It's interesting.
• 1:20:28
  Phil: out.
• 1:20:29
  TIE Fighter: Anywho,
• 1:20:31
  TIE Fighter: What is next? I gotta go back to our itinerary here. Are we ready to, to say adios?
• 1:20:37
  Phil: Oh, yeah?
• 1:20:39
  TIE Fighter: This has been a fun episode, guys. I enjoyed all of the, below-the-belt talk, if you will.
• 1:20:50
  Phil: Some might say too fun of an episode.
• 1:20:52
  TIE Fighter: the lowball humor. Low balls, if you guys are like… Well, don'.
• 1:20:58
  Phil: We don't need highball humor. It's a young man's game.
• 1:21:01
  TIE Fighter: Getting into my age, we're talking lowballs.
• 1:21:05
  Phil: That's not the braggy thing.
• 1:21:09
  Phil: Anyway…
• 1:21:10
  TIE Fighter: Alright, guys, thanks for listening, hope you enjoyed it. Sorry, Julie. We'll catch you guys after the next page.
• 1:21:19
  TIE Fighter: Later!