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Bart Gets Hit By A Car (with Jeff Loveness) · Four Finger Discount (Simpsons Podcast)

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  All right, guys. You know we are all huge nerds here at four
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  this podcast, But for now, sit back and enjoy the show. D
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  it was a beautiful dead The sudden was shaming. He was driving to the
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  orphanage to best out toys. Suddenly that encourageable Simpson boy darted in front of
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  me. Oh my goodness, look what happened. Oh it's not important,
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  sir, Let's drive on. Were you despicable cool blooded monster? Regardless of
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  what you think, we watched someone help and comfort the dear boy until an
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  own good it arrives. M NA take me, I'm all, that's what
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  happened. What are you looking at me like that? For? You believed
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  his cack and bull story. Four Finger Discount, dude, Welcome to four
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  Finger Discount, the podcast that also comes with a faux pel necklace. Today,
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  we're heading all the way back to season two of The Simpsons to review
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  episode seven. A one zero Bark gets hit by a car. I am
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  Dando, I am guy, and we are not alone. No, we
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  are not. We are very likely to be joined by a man who continues
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  to pave his way into the top in Hollywood, whether it be writing for
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  Kim or writing Rick and Morty episodes, or you know, just casually writing
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  the scripts for blockbuster Marvel films like ant Men, The Wall, Quantamnia,
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  and the upcoming Avengers, that Kang Dynasty. He's of course, Jeff loved
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  this. Jeff, thanks for your time. How you doing, Hey,
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  guys doing all right? I am very excited to talk about this episode.
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  I don't think I realized that when I chose it. This is the first
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  Simpsons episode I ever saw, like, this is the for real this is
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  the episode that like broke it open for me. Yeah, I love this
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  one. Well, we're a similar age because you're you've just will happy birthday.
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  By the way, any couple of weeks agothday, Like, oh no,
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  no, that's wrong. For some reason, the internet has my birthday
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  March. Yeah. So I was like, yeah, because you didn't.
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  You didn't, you didn't mention anything on social media but your birthday. I
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  was like, Kale doesn't celebrate his birthday very much. June sixth man,
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  I'm a June sixth man. Wow, that's that's my mother's and my sister's
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  birthday. Dear Lord, all this d day annivers not the same person.
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  Let us clarify, not the same person. I don't know how it works
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  in Austria. Yeah, but no, yeah, I'm about thirty three,
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  gonna be thirty four. So like I sort of aged up with the Simpsons.
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  Yeah, it was like the dangerous show when you were a kid,
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  like my I was not allowed watch it. I was like forbidden from watching
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  It's same. So I was all right. But I've told the story plenty
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  of times in our podcast, how I watched Trios of Horror one that's where
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  they have the bad Dreamhouse where they're having the nightmares and it's whatever, and
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  they go Maggie goes into the kitchen and gets a knife. Well, I
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  proceeded to do the exact same thing. So my mom went, no more
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  Simpsons for you. Oh yeah, maybe your mom was right. That is
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  pretty one to one. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it is.
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  It is corrupt in the youth. So you're similar ash to me.
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  Did you experience the BARTMANI always had already sort of gone by the time you
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  sort of found The Simpsons. Well, I'm a I'm from like a really
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  really small town in like rural California, So like I didn't really get a
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  lot of like Simpsons pop culture exposure. Like I didn't get to see all
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  the mania and the T shirts and things like that. So I certainly knew
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  who Bart Simpson was, but I didn't really get to see like the popular
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  American like takeover of pop culture. But certainly like he was a popular guy.
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  He was like a Ninja turtle, you know, he's everywhere. Can
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  you remember when you first saw the Simpsons, Like, what was it just
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  like this mind blowing experience? Yeah, because you said this episode was the
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  first one you saw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did not have
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  the Fox network and we only had three channels, and so like Fox was
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  off the table where The Simpsons came on, but I think CBS, which
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  is another channel, was playing like a rerun or something, and so the
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  first glimpse of it I got, I think was like call of the Simpsons
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  or whatever one where he's like the Bigfoot guy. I only saw like a
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  couple seconds of like a joke like the newspaper that says like, you know,
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  Bigfoot likes uh whatever his dinner was, and like, and then it
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  turned off because like someone said a bad word, like my mom ended and
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  very religious mother, and so like something something on a front to Christ happened
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  somewhere in those thirty seconds, and I was not allowed to watch it.
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  But then my neighbor invited me up to his place one day and we were
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  like playing video games or whatever, and then he's like, as if we
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  were about to do like rowin or something. He's like, hey, do
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  you want to watch the Simpsons? And I was shocked, and I was
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  like scared, But then he's like, no, no, no, I
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  think I think you'll like it, and so he pulls out a VHS tape
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  and this episode was the one we watched. I still remember it, like,
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  and it was like a bomb went off in my head. Like that
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  was the first kind of comedy that I saw that really like resonated on a
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  deep level with me, Like I loved it so much, And this episode
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  has so many great little tricks and jokes and characters, like this is almost
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  like a perfect Simpsons episode. I love it, Jeff. I'm wondering if
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  seeing something like that at such a formative age really sort of lit a bit
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  of a create or ignited a bit of creative spok in you as well.
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  I mean watching shows like this growing up, I mean, did they give
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  you some innate sense of half stories are told, how they work, how
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  they structured, how jokes work, which one's land, which one's doing.
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  Yeah, no, you're right on the money, like the Simpsons, I
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  mean starting from this episode, but I mean so many of them. I
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  really do think it is this is price in too controversial an opinion, Like
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  it is probably the best American form of comedy to be made. I think
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  it really is. And of course it's an international show and everything, but
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  like it really summarizes what is beautiful and chaotic and insane about American life,
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  and uh yeah to me, Like I mean obviously, like seasons, you
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  know, like two through whatever wherever you want to cut it off on the
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  on the purest list, but like it really is just the sharpest form of
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  comedy, right and if anyone from Conan, John Schwartzwelder to John Viddy like
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  so yeah, as a young person, like I just soaked it in and
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  I see even ant Man, I I kind of borrowed. I took inspiration
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  from a Simpsons episode for a big chunk of ant Man and a character.
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  So I mean it's still it pays off. Well, that's rock. It
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  was Frank Grimes. Have you guys, Yeah, have you guys seen at
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  Man? Or am I spoiling it? Yeah? Because spoiler Modoc who is
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  like Corey Stoll from the very first movie, like he's been gone for a
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  long time. I basically I wanted to do a riff on the Frank Grimes
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  dynamic. He's like, oh, I mean that's such a beautiful episode of
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  like this guy cannot win and this like loser slob has like the perfect life
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  that he wants and nothing goes right for Grimes. And I thought of playing
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  that with like a super villain would be quite funny of like to get into
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  the Marvel Weeds. I guess, like if your Corey Stole, he's been
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  gone since like ant Man one, which was basically like ten years ago,
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  and so in that time, Paul Rudd has you know, become an Avenger.
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  He's dating Hope Van Dyne, Hank Pim respects him, he's a superhero
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  beloved by the world. He's time travel with Captain America twice. Like to
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  me, that almost felt the equivalent of like Homer showing Grimes his wall and
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  like you've been made, You've been to space, you've never been, never
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  been, like to see my Grammy, all of that stuff. It felt
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  like a fun kind of jealous, arrogant dynamic to play with those two guys.
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  It's also a really great I guess evolution for Darren Cross as well,
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  because I mean I remember in the first ant Man, I mean I really
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  like Corey Stole as an actor, and you know he sort of plays alpha
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  ish guys. Yeah, but in the ant Man he's like, you know,
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  he's got the power suit on and he's got the power of stance.
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  He's he's someone who's clearly listened to a lot of Tony Robbins, but he
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  just can't quite pull it off. It's like Sam Roqueville and Iron Man too.
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  He's like, you really want to be Tony Stark, and under different
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  circumstances you'd be the alpha in the room, but you just can't, can't
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  quite pull it off when you're up against you know, DJ or Paul rud
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  or something like that. So yeah, that was that's I'm glad you picked
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  up on that. That was very much the other inspiration point. It was
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  like, look, man, I know you're trying, but uh, yeah,
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  it's kind of a big head. I'm sorry. Like if like Darth
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  Vader in episode three, you know, falls into that volcano and comes out
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  not wearing the coolest, most badass sci fi suit of all time, but
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  just with a deform head and little baby legs, like to have him be
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  to have that like insecurity, just at the core of Darren Cross the whole
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  movie until it blows up. That was. Yeah, that was a big
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  part of it. I'm really glad you did it with the mode went that
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  way with the Modoc character as well, because I mean, he's somewhere He's
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  something that you could make really gross or greatisque and the characters inherently is like
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  he's been a If there's any character you can use comedically in Marvel comics,
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  it's always been Modoc and so like, I almost felt it was a disservice
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  to the character to do like a serious, gritty adaptation of him. Like
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  I'm like, no, no, like that, that's against the spirit of
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  Modoc. He should be ridiculous and he should be like as comic accurate as
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  we can get, which we did pretty well. But yeah, there were
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  some talks about making him. You know, how do we make it real?
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  How do we make like Nope, shut those down, Like no,
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  no, no, no, He's just gotta be a big head, bid
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  baby legs. Let's sh Yeah, that's it. Don't make him like oh
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  is nanotech used with the wore to no no, no, no, no,
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  no, big head, big head. We're constantly pointing out in this
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  podcast that I want superhero movies to be fun again. It feels like and
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  DC did this slop and it's like the Dark Knight. Everything's dark and gritty
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  and real. It's like I grew up in the nineties with Batman Forever Man,
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  go back to that. I jumped back into Batman and Robin the other
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  day and like you know, maybe not the best film, but I kind
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  of had that same feeling of like, man, I kind of missed fun
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  Batman. Yeah, miss Batman. That was like pop culture, like the
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  art not art deco, what's the word, Like seventies technicolor, like sixties
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  and seventies. Like, yeah, that Batman stuff is fun. I kind
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  of like a more playful Batman than just like a perpetually foggy Batman. I
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  love that you chose Frank Grimes as well, because you go back to the
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  nineties. When that episode came out, he was the reviews were scathing.
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  Fans hated that card. And it's funny how it's now evolved tree people who
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  grew up in the nineties like at the time, the older audience at the
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  time hated it. Those who grew up with that episode look back now and
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  go, that's one of the greatest episodes of all time. It's funny how
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  the opinions just shift over time. I'm praying that happens with quantum Mania.
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  Man. I want history to prove me right. I want history to prove
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  me right. Verymatus in the ground, man, I was about to say,
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  I mean, I was reading a few interviews with you and listening to
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  a few news within we've talked about how Quanta Mania is proving kind of divisive.
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  That's kind of what the best movies are. I mean, you don't
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  want one percent cinemas, you know, a plus cinema schoo or one hundred
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  percent on Rotten Tomatoes. I mean it is. There will be Blood Fargo,
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  Winds of Desire, A Man of the Wasp, Quantumnia. Yeah,
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  those are kind of British filments that dude needs to redo that list real quick.
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  No, I mean like that, yeah, I mean I oh,
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  this actually relates to this episode two. Yeah, some of those articles that
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  you were mentioning, like, oh, I felt so betrayed. I felt
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  so like you're doing all these press junk at like zoom interviews, you know,
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  twenty minutes at a time, and like someone asked about the reviews,
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  I'm like, oh, yeah, I was kind of depressing. Oh you
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  know, but you you get over it and you kind of move on.
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  I tossed it away the like the most casual, kind of friendly, you
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  know, up speak kind of you know, tossed away comment. The next
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  day, it's like a swirling newspaper headline writer depressed and I'm like, oh
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  my god. And it went out to like Variety tweeted it, People Magazine,
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  like all these majors, like literally it was everywhere, and I got
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  all these hundreds of texts, like people asking if I was okay, if
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  I needed to see someone. So there's this joke in this episode two that
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  like, yeah, I think like Burns is gonna fire fire Homer and Speathers
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  is like, well, do you think that's the best idea, sir?
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  Think of the headlines the smart move by Burns. Ye hooray for Burns.
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  Great decision by Burns. I really did think of like a Simpsons headline when
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  like I said this small thing and then suddenly like the headline is so egregious.
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  So yeah, I don't know, man, I actually like, man,
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  I kind of loved the movie. You know, things aren't for everybody
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  and all that, but like I wanted to write a yeah, like a
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  fun comic book movie. I wanted to write something that was like colorful and
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  had quirky, goofy gags, like broad jokes, almost like dumb and dumber,
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  and then you had an awesome villain and like you get to have a
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  serious film and a fun villain. Like, yeah, it's kind of been
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  strange to see how this all play out. But man, I don't know.
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  I had a good time. I liked it. I think a lot
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  of people they get angry and they don't get what they expect, right,
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  it happened, And I was guilty of that. When the second Star Wars
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  film came out, what was it, the last Jedi. She's a lifelong
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  Star Wars fan. I was so angry. The longer it's gone on,
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  I've just gone that wasn't that bad. It's not for me. It doesn't
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  mean it's not good. It's just people just have this sort of ownership of
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  the Marvel universe, like it has to be the way we want and it's
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  not the way we expect that, then it's not good. Yeah, it's
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  gotten to that place where it's like a professional sports team or something. You
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  know, it's been it's been in the family a bit. It's reaching that
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  Star Trek age where it's been around for like enough for another generation to come
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  into like other things that the previous one didn't. So like, yeah,
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  I mean I grew up reading comic books. I'm a hardcore X Men fan,
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  so like, I know, you know these are sports fans. Boone
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  at the Yankees, you know, like I think we'll be all burns out.
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  People don't like the Yankees. I did find interesting that you love Blade
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  because my man, he go out he loves Blade as well. Blade is
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  so great that first movie. He no character arc, he just shows up.
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  He's Blade. He kicks ass for about ninety five minutes and it's great.
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  It's not evenutes of Wesley stops sucking up vampires. Lady, miss you
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  don't miss. I love the two thirds mark of that movie spoiler alerts for
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  Blade. He gets like three triple whammies at once. It's like, hey,
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  man, your mom she's alive. Bad news, your mom's a vampire.
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  Bad news, she's fucking the vampire you hate, like three in a
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  row, and he barely He's like damn. He keeps going back to fights
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  like that would have crushed any other man, but Blade just kind of took
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  it in stride, not Wisley. How much there is there any other Simpsons
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  inspirations in your scripts particularly obviously can't talk about it. Kan Dynasty that's you
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  know, that's under yeah, But is there going to be some sort of
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  like Simpsons influences in that film as well. Kane Dynasty is heavily influenced by
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  the minorrel episode That's that's one for one. Put a jointed little hat on
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  Jonathan Majens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got He's already practicing the
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  song I m man. I don't know. I mean, the Simpsons is
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  pretty deep into most of my comedy. I can't think of a specific reference,
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  So I guess, I guess I'll say no, but I'm sure something.
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  I'll pop up camp crops. We'll be in there somewhere, Pepe fear,
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  I don't know. Jumping back to um. Sorry we mentioned mister Burns
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  a little while ago and ub Oh. Yeah. I had a nice bit
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  of synchronicity this morning watching rewatching Barkeets hit by a car. But before that,
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  I read this really long article in Vanity Fair about the Murdoch family and
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  about about Rupert Murdoch especially, and how you know, the guys what a
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  something? What is he not? Three hundred like? But they've kept very
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  very quiet the fact that you know, he's just had multiple health issues over
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  the last you know, maybe five or six years, including one where he's
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  like fractured his back because Wendy Dan pushed him into a piano and he's just
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  you know, I'm like, what the fuck. But then watching this episode
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  and it's like, at least at the very start when mister Burns is behind
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  the wheel, like, oh, this is the kind of mean, threatening,
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  you know, own big wig in Pottersville, mister Burns that we used
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  to know. And then but then later on you've got I'm gonna crush you
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  like this paper cups that I remember being the first Like, that's like the
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  major joke of the episode that made me laugh out loud when I was a
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  kid. I've always remembered that paper cup joke, and it's it's like the
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  pre mister Burns voice he's doing these earlier seasons. Mister Burns, he's not
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  quite the like excellent kind of guy. I do like that that this is
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  like my favorite of Burns though, where he's he's not quite a super villain.
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  It's just a rich guy, rich old guy just abusing his power.
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  Yeah, I do. I highly prefer like an evil billionaire to a cool
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  billionaire. I never buy the Iron Man Elon Musk. Then give me an
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  evil Turn of the century billionaire any day. Magnate, like a robber baron.
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  Yeah, and it's funny how they change the character because we're going sort
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  of in chronlogical lorders aft the season seventeen now, and by this point the
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  Burns character is just how would you describing guy? He's just nothing. There's
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  no scariness, there's no evilness to basically a ghost. Yeah, like his
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  body falls upon any basically, Lenny, there's nothing to it. But this
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  is a really really monumental episode because this was the first appearance for Phil Hartman,
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  so that the first little hunt. I assumed watching this again, I
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  assumed it was the first appearance, but I cut that too. I'm like,
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  oh, and he went on to be such a mainstay Lionel Huts is
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  you know, almost every four episodes or something, I'll pop in. Yeah,
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  yeah, well Phil Hartman is just incredible. But yeah, but it's
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  almost like a different Huts here, because Huts would going to become sort of
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  like the here's the sleazy lawyer here going to be sort of become the bad
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  lawyer as the show would evolve on like where he was it was, it
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  was still sleazy, but he was just sort of he was just a really
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  bad lawyer wasn't good at his job, you know. Yeah, well that's
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  interest. That's a nice that's a nice discerning take. You're right. And
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  then he would just slowly get worse and worse and more and more incompetent.
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  Yeah. Is this the first appearance of doctor Nick too. Yeah. And
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  they just go hand in hand as a pet, don't they really? When
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  you think about it, it's the way you see it with a lot of
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  Simpsons characters, though. I mean, they'll start them in a relatively grounded
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  fashion, and I was like, well, we can turn this style just
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  a little bit, you know, make him not so much a sleazy ambulance
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  shase or it's just a guy like the Willie Lowman of lawyers. It was
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  like, then you can have this one. It's half full. Well one,
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  I just drank out of a toilet. It'll be back, which my
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  favorite huts exchange of all time. I love the small modulations that happen to
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  characters. I'm right there with you, Like watching older episodes with like Skinner
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  and all of his Vietnam flashbacks, like all of his Vietnam like he's an
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  unstable man, like he's ready to snap at any seconds, and then buy
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  about season what seven, we forget about the Vietnam War and it never comes
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  up again. Well in season nine is where they have the fact that he
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  wasn't even the guy. He wasn't even Yeah, that's what's your thoughts on
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  episodes like that where they really changed the cannon of a character. You know,
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  it's tough, it's I kind of do look at it the same way
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  as comic books, like every once in a while there's gonna be some weird
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  left turns, Like in the nineties they pulled that with Spider Man. It's
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  like, oh no, no, no, the character you've known for about
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  fifty years. I he was a clone. There's another guy, like,
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  he's not real, there's another like you know, a good twist can be
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  good, but then eventually it all kind of ends up resetting and in your
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  mind, like do you even believe that episode or do you kind of I
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  don't know. I like the Skinner we got like I like, so,
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  I don't know. I think I mean the Simpsons. How many episodes are
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  there even like a couple of thousand, I think seven fifties one. I
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  just recently Pops, which is still a ship light of episodes it feels like
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  a thousand. I think it's okay to kind of play fast and loose because
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  it's almost like Star Trek. You know, these are not sequential episodes outside
• 20:15
  of a couple of them that have like a two parter. They're kind of
• 20:18
  like, you know, in one episode spos got like a brother, then
• 20:22
  you never hear about them again, you know. Or it's like or they'll
• 20:25
  they'll do an episode like there's always an old girl friend of Bones that shows
• 20:27
  up. It's like, how many old girlfriends do this guy have? Like
• 20:30
  I think with American TV especially and the older style of it before it became
• 20:34
  like this bingeable, streamable thing. You know, this might be the only
• 20:37
  episode someone sees or the first episode someone sees, so you can kind of
• 20:41
  like play fast and loose to the continuity. Well you're a knicks Men man
• 20:47
  as well, and continuity and that sort of in that saga is just nomany
• 20:52
  idea. How many time displace kids cyclops as they're all over the place.
• 20:57
  So the end you just got a sort of roll to sign and just like
• 21:00
  looks it's the mutants there this week they're doing this. You know, just
• 21:06
  enjoy it. You just kind of I think that's fun with that style.
• 21:08
  I mean same with like Star Wars, like reading all those novels in the
• 21:12
  nineties or two thousand, like at that expanded universe kind of thing. It's
• 21:18
  probably not quote Cannon, but like who cares like it's it's like a take
• 21:22
  it as like a one off. Yeah. Nothing infuriates me more than people
• 21:26
  who would just hell bent on continuity to the to the point where they're like,
• 21:30
  well, you know it's James Bond is you know, he's played by
• 21:33
  different actors, but they're all the same James Bond. They're just switching up
• 21:37
  the double saven designation to different people. Like not the fuck they are.
• 21:41
  Man's just understand what that means. It's all literally the same being. Or
• 21:47
  I think, yeah, James Bond is just a code name that they give
• 21:49
  to give to all these different guys. So you know, I mean,
• 21:52
  so wait, they all have to be very very horny British men. Is
• 21:56
  that the only pretty much the casting to type. I just assume he was
• 22:00
  just the same guy, and you know, it's like playing basketwise out of
• 22:03
  face. That's what it is. Describe the struggle trying to write, for
• 22:06
  example, quantumentia. Right, you want to write a film that can be
• 22:08
  appreciated and enjoyed as just the film in itself, but you got to also
• 22:12
  incorporate all this other stuff that's come before and what's going to be coming after.
• 22:15
  Describe how hard it is this sort of incorporate all that that doesn't mess
• 22:18
  with a film being able to be enjoyed as a standalone. Yeah, yeah,
• 22:22
  I know, it is tough, Like especially this movie. It's like
• 22:26
  the third movie. It also tailbacks tailbacks that's not a word, tailgates off
• 22:30
  of a like Avengers End Game, which Aunt ma'am is a big part of.
• 22:34
  And yeah, it's got to kind of introduce a character, a villain
• 22:37
  that will be paying off, you know, however he pays off down the
• 22:41
  road. It was definitely tricky and then like there's small things you might forget.
• 22:45
  It's like, oh, yeah, Darren Cross, like Corey Stall in
• 22:49
  our test audiences, people didn't even recognize him obviously, he's a big fat
• 22:52
  head. So like we had to really remind people a few ways in the
• 22:56
  movie, like a flashback and have Cassie mentioned it to kind of you know,
• 23:00
  perk people up again. Same with like Michelle Peiffer. There's a lot
• 23:04
  of backstory there, so we got a pipe that like, oh, yeah,
• 23:07
  she was in the quantum realm for a while, you got to do
• 23:11
  a flashback there. But then you also just have to let the movie,
• 23:14
  you know, USh through itself in I don't know, like I kind of
• 23:17
  use my parents as the as the as the rubric. They're not really like
• 23:19
  Marvel fans or you know, they didn't see the other ant Man movies,
• 23:23
  and they seem to more or less get what was going on. So I
• 23:26
  don't know, you just try to you try to shoehorn in the exposition you
• 23:30
  can get away with, and then kind of trust the audience for the rest
• 23:33
  of it. Well, if someone's discussed racing in their podcast, how it
• 23:36
  feels like Star Wars as a Lawsons, it's starting to feel like homework.
• 23:40
  Yeah, that's I was trying in that way of like there was a blessing
• 23:44
  in this movie. How like so much it just took place in the quantum
• 23:47
  realm, so you don't really have to worry about like, you know,
• 23:51
  oh it is Falcon gonna show up as she Hulk? Why don't they call
• 23:53
  she Hulk? Like you got to have a little bit more of an isolated
• 23:56
  experience and then bring in original character. There's like side side characters or the
• 24:02
  Jello man with holes and all that. Like, yeah, I kind of
• 24:06
  I did want. I tried to intentionally write this almost like a nineties adventure
• 24:10
  movie, Like I want it to feel like something you could have seen like
• 24:12
  Robin Williams in in like nineteen ninety four or something. Yeah, Hook,
• 24:18
  Jumanji, that kind of stuff or um. So, I don't know.
• 24:22
  Yeah, I think there is a danger of this stuff becoming too homeworky or
• 24:26
  too interconnected. So I don't know. I just tried to make it a
• 24:29
  fun Paul Rudd adventure kind of road trip comedy. What's Superhero would you love
• 24:32
  to write a film for? Where they said, it's just a standalone nothing
• 24:34
  else has to be involved. It's just a movie about this this character.
• 24:37
  Who would you love to write a film about? You know? My favorite
• 24:41
  Marvel character his Cyclops. I think I love Cyclops. He's such a loser.
• 24:47
  I love he's just such like he's got the world on his shoulders.
• 24:51
  His power's broken. Uh, nobody likes him. He's like that. He's
• 24:53
  like the shift manager at a restaurant. And you know, like it's really
• 24:57
  up to him to keep things moving. But big whole monitor energy. Yeah
• 25:02
  yeah, yeah, teaching and teach you didn't give us any homework. Well,
• 25:04
  but at the same time, like he's got to be that way because
• 25:07
  if he slips up, he's gonna kill everybody he looks at. Like,
• 25:11
  so it's I like the allegory of his powers too. I think there's a
• 25:15
  really the broken sun quality he has with Xavier and Magneto, and then like
• 25:19
  that translates to his powers and that lack of security. And then honestly like
• 25:25
  the way he built himself up to become a hall monitor. Like you're saying,
• 25:29
  like if you track his growth, it's like you're kind of proud of
• 25:32
  him for doing the Like, oh wow, good for you man, Like
• 25:33
  you were like a monster and you're like an eighty pound monster who who only
• 25:38
  knew how to kill people and then you work your way up to be the
• 25:41
  leader. I'm like that's pretty good man, Good for you. I'd do
• 25:45
  one of him, And hey, man, I love Superman. It's like,
• 25:48
  hey, if you know Superman of her rolls around, why not?
• 25:51
  But uh, I'd go Cyclops for now. Patty get through the uh,
• 25:53
  the self doubt. Luck from example, you knew what you wanted right with
• 25:56
  Modoc, and they're coming with you an oldest nash More at this, I
• 26:00
  really want to like this. How do you get to the point where you
• 26:03
  go the compromise, where you go all right, I know what this needs
• 26:07
  to be. How do you sort of convince an executive this is what it
• 26:11
  needs to be? Oh um, oh man, there's I'm I'm not the
• 26:14
  guy to ask on this. There's always a lot of that going on.
• 26:18
  Marvel's pretty collaborative. And then like you know, certainly I'm not the final
• 26:22
  word like Peyton read the director would have kind of the you know, the
• 26:25
  final stamp, but I don't know. You try to acknowledge also, like
• 26:30
  what's the note behind the note or what are they trying to say? So
• 26:33
  like with Modoc, like I mentioned earlier, some test screenings didn't quite know
• 26:37
  what was going on because they just didn't either they hadn't seen the first ant
• 26:41
  Man movie or they had forgotten about him. And the CGI was pretty rough.
• 26:45
  You know, we were showing test screenings six months ago, so like,
• 26:48
  you know, yeah, clearly there's a disconnect there, and what's going
• 26:51
  on, and so that note came through and I'm like, okay, that
• 26:56
  is actually quite fair. I don't think it means we should cut him.
• 26:59
  I think it means we need to clarify him. And so like you kind
• 27:02
  of just try to like keep your energy and your point of view as solid
• 27:06
  as you can, while also opening up the collaboration of like, yeah,
• 27:08
  clearly something here's not working, Like here's my solution, let me drive it
• 27:12
  through. But I do feel unless it's a do or die situation where you
• 27:17
  got to make enemies and burn bridges, you're all kind of the same team,
• 27:21
  so you got to kind of choose your battles and sometimes you're wrong,
• 27:25
  yeah, and sometimes like you also got to see that you're wrong. So
• 27:27
  like, I don't know, I don't know if I have a good answer,
• 27:30
  because I got to work on my confidence as well. But usually when
• 27:33
  you feel it and you've got that rhythm of how the joke should play out,
• 27:38
  there's something to what you're feeling, and so try to find what they're
• 27:41
  feeling too, and kind of get the harmonious chord between you if you can.
• 27:47
  Speaking of confidence, and maybe this is just my sort of right as
• 27:51
  neurosis spring to the full. But I mean I'm speaking as a cowdcarrying member
• 27:56
  of Generation Exit, knowing you're going to be rotting the same Michelle Fife,
• 27:59
  knowing she's going to be reading a script with your name on it. Yeah,
• 28:03
  are you ever thinking while you're running it? God, I hope she
• 28:04
  likes this though. God, I hope she thinks I'm cool something old.
• 28:10
  You know, if Michael Douglas is rating it, Oh yeah, of course,
• 28:11
  Bull Rodo, Evangeline Lily or who ever. But now all of them,
• 28:15
  like Michelle Phifer especially, And that was a big part of me probably
• 28:21
  getting the job for this movie or talking about it in the early days,
• 28:23
  because I almost forgot Michelle Phifer was in these I'm like, oh yeah,
• 28:27
  like she's yeah, they savor in the second one, and you know,
• 28:30
  then at the end of the movie, you don't really get to explore her
• 28:33
  too much, which makes sense for the second movie. But that was a
• 28:36
  big part of what Peyton and I talked about, is like, we've got
• 28:40
  one of the biggest movie stars of all time, Like, let's let's give
• 28:44
  her the complicated father backstory that is usually in most of these sci fi things
• 28:48
  like there's all. I mean, every other superhero movie is a father son
• 28:52
  kind of story that's like a broken past at the father. It's a pretty
• 28:56
  easy inversion to make it a mother daughter's story and that makes it slightly fresh.
• 29:00
  Sure, And you get to have Mischelle Peiffer kind of be the Obi
• 29:03
  One or the Gandolf kind of leading you through the quantum realm. So yeah,
• 29:07
  that was a big And then you get to explore like her kind of
• 29:11
  traumatic history and you get to you get to give her the Xavier Magneto relationship
• 29:17
  with Kane, like she's you know, at the end of the day,
• 29:19
  these guys saved each other and they lived together for years and years, and
• 29:22
  like there is a bond between them. So I don't know, Like I
• 29:26
  mean, I just wanted to lay her up as much as possible, and
• 29:29
  she's a She nailed it. I love her scenes with Jonathan as well,
• 29:32
  just really great performances. Do you want your comedy with the actor in mind
• 29:36
  or do you want it with the charactor in mind? A little bit of
• 29:38
  both, you know. It depends. Like with Bill Murray, like we
• 29:41
  got him in the movie kind of later in the process that character had been
• 29:47
  written and you know, you have other people in mind. Maybe, But
• 29:49
  then once Bill Murray kind of got circled, Yeah, you certainly you certainly
• 29:55
  go back, and I was like, yeah, I'll take another spin at
• 29:56
  that. Now that I know it's Bill Murray, you can kind of write
• 30:00
  it closer to the bone of what you know, what his vibe is.
• 30:03
  But I think, um, you know, with comedy it can be very
• 30:07
  helpful, like if you it depends on what you're making and your relationships are.
• 30:11
  But like I love to write for like actor friends of mine or comedy
• 30:15
  friends of mine because you know, they're rhythms, they can hit. Certainly
• 30:18
  that's a you know that that's a pro. At the same time, I
• 30:22
  don't know, I think the world can just benefit from just fresh out of
• 30:25
  the gate characters. And like you know, sometimes when you write to type,
• 30:29
  it just all sounds like the same thing, Like everyone's just writing the
• 30:33
  same kind of quippy TV sitcom dialogue. So I don't know. I try
• 30:37
  to write original, but if I've got like a north Star in my head,
• 30:38
  I'll use that voice. It kind of feels like that's where The Simpsons
• 30:42
  evolved to, where it was like we write joke and then assign it to
• 30:45
  a character where back in the Glory is these earlier episodes that we're talking about
• 30:48
  now, it's like swat Spotter, he wrote this episode. He's one of
• 30:52
  the most iconic Simpsons writers of all time. You can tell when you're watching
• 30:55
  an episode like this is a Swat Spotter episode. You can just tell from
• 30:56
  the comedy. Who are some of your inspire when it comes to comedy rodding.
• 31:00
  Did you have any growing up? Yeah? Yeah, I mean sports
• 31:03
  Fielder is one of them. And it was funny how like I didn't you
• 31:07
  know, I didn't know his name when I was a kid, But then
• 31:10
  you start to see that name in the credits of like your favorite episodes,
• 31:14
  and then I know what you're saying about. Like you can tell a sports
• 31:17
  Felder episode almost right out the gate if it's got some like old timey Americana
• 31:21
  and it's got like nineteen baseball or like factory workers or like the docs and
• 31:27
  some sort of like he's he's always got like old timey things in their pioneers
• 31:33
  and like cowboys. Um he I And then so like as I grew up,
• 31:37
  then I noticed all his stamps on the episodes, and I just I
• 31:41
  love the guy and I think he's like the sharpest writer to do it.
• 31:44
  Conan O'Brien more so for his late night show like but that was a huge
• 31:49
  deal to me growing up, especially his sketch comedy instincts that they had on
• 31:53
  the show. Um, there's writers named Brian Stack and Brian McCann who were
• 31:59
  like his kind of too go to comedy guys there. I'd say they were
• 32:02
  huge influences on me and just they're kind of a very funny but also very
• 32:07
  dumb and smart comedy at the same time in that American variety show format.
• 32:12
  I don't know. I mean there's plenty, like when I was Garth Marenghi's
• 32:15
  Dark Place. Yeah, that show that was like again, that was like
• 32:21
  another bomb going off in my head. I think I saw it freshman year
• 32:23
  of college and like he, I mean, that's a big one. Obviously
• 32:28
  arrested development. I remember that one being kind of a big water shed came
• 32:31
  out a few years ago now, but that was a big one. It's
• 32:35
  just you start to notice or even like my dad watching Mash and Frasier,
• 32:38
  like I ought to see some older kind of classic American comedies through my dad
• 32:44
  and like I love the way. I mean, you know, everyone seen
• 32:47
  Mash I suppose, but like it is a pretty ingenious mix of comedy and
• 32:52
  drama and tragedy, like it really and when it works, it works really
• 32:57
  well in a way that doesn't pull its punches. And then Frasier, h
• 33:01
  Frasier is like perfectly. It's like a finely tuned watch, Like you can
• 33:06
  set your watch to a Frasier episode, And I mean that with like a
• 33:09
  compliment, like it's so well structured, it's so well done. It's elegant.
• 33:15
  David Hyde Pierson here, you know, he nails every line, every
• 33:17
  joke. It's like so well done. And in my Rick and Morty days,
• 33:22
  one of my final episodes was like mister Nimbus, like this ocean man
• 33:25
  thing. I basically just stole the structure from a Frasier like dinner party episode
• 33:31
  and un that on Rick and Morty, which is you know, I don't
• 33:34
  think people would compare Rick and Morty to Frasier as far as like sensibilities,
• 33:37
  but it really was like the bones of comedy writing you can really find in
• 33:43
  those classic good sitcoms. I'm glad you brought up Rick and Morty. Jack
• 33:46
  I didn't want to ask about it. I mean, it seems almost lazy
• 33:49
  at this point to make the draw the comparisons between Rick and Morty and the
• 33:52
  MCU. But I mean three credits make a trend as far as I'm concerning
• 33:57
  Bouldron, Jessica Gao and yourself. I mean, I wonder if could tell
• 34:00
  us a bit about of course it's a it's a Justin Royland show, but
• 34:04
  it's also got Dan Harmon's fingerprints on it as well. I wonder if you
• 34:07
  could tell us a bit about the Harmon school of storytelling so to speak.
• 34:09
  Harmon's a master at it. Yeah, he I mean, I don't think
• 34:13
  I've met a guy who knows structure better than he does. He has that
• 34:15
  story circle, and uh, you know, there's a variety. I mean,
• 34:19
  at the end of the day, it is just like a trick or
• 34:20
  it's a diagram to kind of help you get your beats down. But I
• 34:23
  mean, damned if there'sn't a better one. You know, like he's got
• 34:27
  a pretty good one and it really works. That guy has like a like
• 34:32
  a super computer brain at hacking things. And I don't think there was a
• 34:37
  script that he didn't touch. That wasn't made better by it. You know,
• 34:40
  he's Harmon's the real deal as far as comedy writers go. He's really
• 34:45
  good and so um sorry, like and we could break when he was on
• 34:50
  fire, well he would like I think we broke the vat of acid episode
• 34:52
  in like a day, like an afternoon we went to rock right that.
• 34:57
  But like, there's a joy and a comedy way, or there's misery,
• 35:00
  but like, I love the joy of a comedy writer's room because once you
• 35:02
  get that electricity and everyone's kind of pitching around at the same time, it's
• 35:07
  just like it's the most fun place to be. And I would listen to
• 35:10
  interviews with cohnan talking about the Simpsons writer's room, and I remember it was
• 35:15
  like a source of almost like pride for me. I've been working for a
• 35:19
  long time and things weren't you know, there's always projects that go and die
• 35:22
  and whatever. But then I got Rick and Morty and then I started to
• 35:25
  really be friends with like all those great writers in the room. And I
• 35:30
  heard Conan give that interview and I was like, oh, I know what
• 35:32
  he's talking about. Oh I know what he's talking about, And like I
• 35:36
  felt like a writer in that moment is that the thing you missed the most
• 35:39
  going from writing you a script for a film with your credit to being in
• 35:43
  the writer's room where you're just bantering and bouncing off of each other. Do
• 35:45
  I miss being in a small airless with twelve very depressed men in the mid
• 35:52
  to late now? I that is a thing like I miss having, especially
• 35:58
  when it's going well, like just yeah, being able to to vibe with
• 36:00
  a lot of funny people and then yeah yeah, and the trust fall quality
• 36:05
  of knowing, like, you know what, I'm gonna write this script.
• 36:07
  I think it's pretty good. If it's not good, they'll tell me.
• 36:10
  And if it's not good, they will, you know, make it better
• 36:14
  with a joke. And that's the way I believe the old Simpsons writing room
• 36:16
  worked, like just machine gun jokes at this thing, no ego, let's
• 36:21
  make this thing as good as we can. That's it can be hard to
• 36:24
  achieve if your room is not all on the same page, or if there
• 36:28
  is ego, or if there is like you know, territorial stuff or whatever.
• 36:31
  But that room was pretty great, and so we got to that level
• 36:36
  of like, hey, this is really fun. Here's my shot at it.
• 36:39
  Let's all make it better together. That is a great thing. However,
• 36:45
  I think I do if I had to choose, I don't know.
• 36:47
  I think I like writing something on my own because like, at the same
• 36:51
  time, there's gonna be so many cooks in this kitchen anyways, Like you
• 36:54
  might as well just be the guy to kind of drive the boat through it,
• 36:59
  because yeah, at the end of the day, there are If there
• 37:00
  are thirteen other people trying to pitch a joke, it takes a lot longer
• 37:04
  to get that joke, and it might end up being the first joke he
• 37:07
  wrote. To begin with. You mentioned the word trust just before. It
• 37:09
  must just be incredible from your perspective. Way you took a chance in yourself
• 37:14
  when you left Kimmel, right, and that was a big deal, you
• 37:16
  know, and it must be some self doubt moments threat there. But it's
• 37:20
  paid off now to the point where you know, Disney, Marvel, they've
• 37:22
  trusted you to write the upcoming a vengeance film. That's a that's huge man.
• 37:27
  Thank you. Oh no, that's that's really nice for you to say.
• 37:30
  I've been thinking about that. It's like been us Kimmel was definitely I
• 37:35
  was like, so nervous, and that was my first job. I should
• 37:39
  not be a writer, you know, it made like comedy videos on YouTube,
• 37:43
  and then like I got a job on a TV show from like a
• 37:46
  YouTube video I made. Like it all was like a fluke, you know.
• 37:49
  It was like a you know, like a I don't know what to
• 37:52
  even call it luck. And so I always had that kind of fear and
• 37:57
  that small town kid fear in me of like, I don't know is gonna
• 38:00
  work. I got to stay here, and Kimmel was a great job.
• 38:02
  I was there for many years. But yeah, there was this feeling.
• 38:06
  I think I've said this before somewhere else. I had a feeling, you
• 38:09
  know, we were doing Thanksgiving jokes. It was Thanksgiving, You're writing jokes
• 38:14
  for the monologue, and I wrote some and something just felt weird about it.
• 38:17
  And I went back through my emails and I had written like the exact
• 38:22
  same joke like three years earlier, and it was this feeling of like,
• 38:24
  ah, okay, it might be time to go, like it might be
• 38:29
  time to do something new. But I was really nervous. I was like
• 38:32
  terrified of it. And then at Rick and Morty I did the kind of
• 38:35
  the same thing. I'd written six episodes five at the time, I guess,
• 38:40
  and I had that same feeling of like, and it's hard to explain
• 38:44
  because it is like one of the most popular shows. You know, it's
• 38:46
  kind of that it's Apex or whatever. But I just had that same feeling
• 38:51
  of like, I think I've done all I can do here, Like I
• 38:53
  think it's good to go out on mister Nimbus, like that's a good one.
• 38:57
  And then I came back to help kind of write the an Alley but
• 39:00
  like it, um, I don't know. I'm trying to trust that feeling
• 39:04
  a little bit more. I'm sure it's gonna blow up in my face one
• 39:07
  of these days. But like that has been if you're a writer or whatever,
• 39:10
  like hold on to that itch, like that itch man, I Sometimes
• 39:15
  you don't want it to be there, but sometimes it is there and you
• 39:17
  got to just kind of go with it. But I don't know, it
• 39:21
  could be a big mistake. We'll see, we'll see yet. How many
• 39:23
  billions of dollars an endgame? Makoy? Sorry, how much? Oh?
• 39:29
  Oh? Oh, well, that's it's like they're handing you the cays to
• 39:34
  the Lamborghinian's, Like, oh, my god, I get to drive a
• 39:36
  Lamb Ginnie. It's like, holy shit, what if I crashed this Lamb
• 39:37
  beginning? Yea, yeah, I'm on my learner's permit. I've got to
• 39:39
  have five get far with me? Well, I mean I'm looking at it
• 39:45
  of like, man, this is nuts, Like it feels like it's like
• 39:50
  a crazy thing, and so I'm cheating it of like I'm trying to take
• 39:52
  ego out of it. I'm trying to take like even yeah, like fan
• 39:55
  reactions or internet stuff. It's like, yeah, that's you know, Yeah,
• 39:59
  you're playing the major leagues. People are gonna boo you from the audience,
• 40:01
  you know, Like that's that's literally how it's supposed to go. And
• 40:06
  so I think I've it took a bit, like it took a bit of
• 40:07
  acclimatization because I grew up on the internet, you know, But now I
• 40:13
  am pretty excited and like we're kind of in the process. I can't really
• 40:15
  say anything, you know, but like I get to write like the biggest
• 40:21
  movie possible that I can swing at, with as many characters as I want,
• 40:25
  with like really great actors, and like it's ah, hey, I
• 40:30
  mean like it quite literally is a dream job and so hey, we'll see.
• 40:34
  It's like it's that when I put that in perspective, it's like,
• 40:37
  oh yeah, I can take a couple mean tweets at me like and like
• 40:40
  it doesn't go my way. I got out of Montgomery Creek, California,
• 40:44
  and it does go my way. Hey we got another Avengers movie. Great?
• 40:47
  Did did I tell you to not worry about the response online? The
• 40:52
  SHD? No, they got enough stuff going on. You know, they
• 40:54
  got they got Disney Black Site Prisons to clean up. I don't know,
• 41:01
  no, I mean they they I think they're also big enough to where like,
• 41:07
  you know what, this is how it goes. We just got to
• 41:08
  be above it. It's almost like I almost had the Catholic Church. It's
• 41:14
  not right, but like it's almost like hey, like what are you gonna
• 41:16
  do? Like, yeah, we're here, like you know, try to
• 41:20
  kind of get to the sea level we're at and then you can you can
• 41:22
  go with it, which I think is actually kind of healthier. It's very
• 41:24
  Buddhist. It's like engaging in that stuff is beneath you, like that you
• 41:30
  are wasting your time if you engage in that all day, So like you
• 41:32
  gotta kind of rise above. I suppose believe do what you think is best
• 41:37
  and just just paw through. Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind at the
• 41:39
  end of the day. I mean, you're the guy with his name on
• 41:42
  the credits of a Marvel movie as opposed to some guy who's got ten k
• 41:44
  views on YouTube. Well he'll get there, yeah, I mean, I
• 41:45
  Hey, I'm more paut of that little scrap ten years ago. I was
• 41:51
  exactly that, so I I sympathize, Jeff. I'd like to ask about
• 41:55
  multiverses for a moment, and why they're so big right now. I mean,
• 42:00
  I have a theory that you know, we're fucking up this reality pretty
• 42:04
  bad. Like it's good to know they might be some other ones out they
• 42:06
  end up doing okay. But um yeah, between the mcube everything everywhere at
• 42:10
  once, Morty, I mean, we seem to be really big on other
• 42:15
  dimensions and other other realities. I think you're right on the money with your
• 42:19
  theory. I think you're right on the money. I'd also say there's maybe
• 42:22
  a more callous theory about like there's a lot of IP to exploit and like,
• 42:27
  hey, Michael Keaton was a good batman, right, Let's use him,
• 42:29
  Like, hey, like, Hey, Tobey Maguire is great, let's
• 42:31
  bring him in. It's nostalgia as well. Yeah, I think I think
• 42:36
  we're reaching kind of then idea of nostalgia IP mining, and seems like we
• 42:42
  got to do something else there. We're running out of you know, we
• 42:45
  were running out of Ninja turtles to However, there the good side of that
• 42:51
  is, like it really does I mean anything from like the Robert Frost poem,
• 42:55
  you know, like the Road Not Taken or the Garden of Forking Paths,
• 42:59
  like Borhe's short story Sliding Doors with Gwyneth Paltrow, Like the good parts
• 43:04
  of a multiverse are based on choice and regret and things you could have been
• 43:08
  or didn't do. It's a wonderful life, you know. And any of
• 43:12
  these movies Christmas Carol, you know, like any of these movies are almost
• 43:16
  multi verses in themselves, and it just presents you know, choice and humanity
• 43:22
  and it's certainly everywhere, everything, everywhere, all at once. Did that
• 43:25
  beautifully with you know, um, both of those characters kind of meeting in
• 43:29
  different realities Cloud Atlas. No, No, that's not that's not a multiverse.
• 43:34
  That's more of a time thing. But Uh, I don't know.
• 43:36
  Yeah, there's like a there's a there's a there's a callous way of looking
• 43:42
  at it, and then there's almost like a beautiful way that it really opens
• 43:45
  up a lot of potentials with storylines. So I don't know, I'm trying
• 43:49
  to look at the good side. I think I think there's plenty of good
• 43:51
  stuff in it. Let's get to bakets hit by a car. Getting back
• 43:53
  to it. So it was on the first episodes you saw. It's definitely
• 43:57
  an episode you can appreciate as a kid, but once you get now I'm
• 44:00
  for so long, I'm talking about ten years watching as an adult. I
• 44:02
  think it's a credit to John swatswatter right because he manages to evoke such emotion
• 44:07
  in that final scene with Marge and Homer from a story that started about one
• 44:10
  minute prior to that. Yeah, that was dark. I actually was like,
• 44:15
  oh my god, Homer, what are you say? But it just
• 44:19
  came out, It just comes out of nowhere, that that little thread.
• 44:22
  It felt that to me felt like oh man. In TV writer lingo,
• 44:25
  it's like, oh man, I think we're about two minutes short on this
• 44:28
  episode. We got to add something we did have the same thing on a
• 44:30
  Rick and Morty episode. The vat of acid came in like four minutes short,
• 44:35
  and so our director just made a little beautiful short film in the middle
• 44:37
  of it and put it in there, and that's the best part of the
• 44:40
  episode. So I feel like maybe they added that in or something. It
• 44:44
  was like a little they need an extra little you know, sea salt to
• 44:47
  kind of land the plane. That's not a phrase, but no, like
• 44:52
  it's got super child friendly jokes, and then it's got clever like newspaper jokes,
• 44:58
  and it's got ambulance chase your jokes, you know it's and it's got
• 45:01
  this like, yeah, broken marital story at the very end, and the
• 45:05
  price of telling the truth. It's a I guess my favorite joke is probably
• 45:09
  the paper cup and then the mister Burns newspaper headline. But I remember as
• 45:14
  a kid I loved and I thought it was like revolutionary. I've never seen
• 45:19
  the two kind of like the Raschaman, the two different versions of the story.
• 45:23
  Yeah, that was I'm old. Yes, that that line. I
• 45:30
  think that was the line that like drove the nail into my brain of like
• 45:34
  take me, I'm old. That is like a perfect thing. The perfect
• 45:40
  thing about that too, is that that Burns is this story together clearly hasn't
• 45:44
  runned by Smiths. Because he runs you just throw Smiths under the bush.
• 45:49
  The Orphanage donate toys. Yeah, but it's just a great sort of a
• 45:52
  little insight into just the exploitation of the court system where they're both doing the
• 45:57
  wrong thing. It's just which one is the jew we're going to believe.
• 46:00
  Oh No, I've actually been impressed with The Simpsons going back to those older
• 46:04
  episodes, like they were kind of ahead of the game and seeing that like
• 46:08
  the American legal and police systems are really bad, and like from day one,
• 46:15
  like Wigham is just completely incompetent. Everything's going wrong with the cops.
• 46:19
  Never help anybody in that show. They're completely off the ball. The billionaires
• 46:23
  evil doesn't care about safety regulations. The whole town lives next to like an
• 46:28
  open reactor and a trash fire, you know, like corporate environmentalism is yeah,
• 46:32
  is ravaging the place. It's it's like a surprisingly politically progressive show,
• 46:39
  even for like nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, and it's a kind of thing
• 46:42
  where we've discussed this with a previous guest but I feel like it introduced politics
• 46:45
  to a whole generation of viewers. All these kids were just like, what's
• 46:49
  politics? And you watch the Simpsons like, Oh, I think they sort
• 46:51
  of instilled the idea of politics in your mind from a young age. It's
• 46:54
  actually kind of depressing when you watch Simpsons episodes now and like there's so much
• 47:00
  more invested in their community than we are now. It's like, would you,
• 47:05
  at the drop of a hat, would you go down to the like
• 47:06
  the city hall or the church to have like a town meeting that you get
• 47:08
  riled about. Like every other Simpsons episode they're showing up for like PTA meetings,
• 47:14
  they're out of you know, they're out of they're at the mayor's talk
• 47:16
  back, they're at at the church, like it's uh, they're pretty cypically
• 47:21
  minded in that show in a way that I'm envious of. Well, it
• 47:23
  came along at a really interesting time in the American society though, because I
• 47:27
  mean, we tend to think of the nineteen seventies is really sort of cynical
• 47:30
  and grimy era. Then of course Reagan comes along at the start of the
• 47:34
  eighties. It's a new don't you day in America? And I think by
• 47:37
  the tail end of the eighties, people are starting to think, wait a
• 47:39
  minute, I think we might have got sold a bill of goods here.
• 47:42
  I think they're richer getting richer, and we're getting fucked. So in the
• 47:45
  Simpsons sort of walks the line of both of those. It's like, hey,
• 47:50
  things are prosperos, things are pretty good, but I think all our
• 47:52
  institutions might be kind of corrupted out for themselves. Yeah, yeah, that's
• 47:57
  a great take. It's that post Soviet Union in nineties America of like,
• 48:00
  Okay, the war is over, what are we now without an enemy?
• 48:06
  And turns it out not much, turns out like unless we got another you
• 48:12
  know one, thank God for nine to eleven. Dear God, thank you.
• 48:15
  We need it. We need it. Yeah, Like, but I
• 48:19
  think that time period, I'm kind of working on something about that. I
• 48:22
  think that Clinton era, you know, when I was a kid too,
• 48:25
  Like when the Monica Lewinsky scandal, at least in America, you know,
• 48:30
  we're so puritanical, like that shut down the country, Like that was such
• 48:34
  a like big deal and uh, you know, clearly not a good thing,
• 48:38
  but also it's like it was that enough to shut down the world but
• 48:42
  like that seems to be like the innocence lost of the nineties is like when
• 48:45
  uh, when the Bill Clinton thing. At least for me, I remember
• 48:49
  being like seven or eight and being like, wait, I think America's got
• 48:52
  problems. We got a well that It's My favorite line in this episode is
• 48:57
  Maud to the in saying I'd like you to forgive me for the right thing.
• 49:00
  Yeah, that's great. Oh yeah, and the public schools. I
• 49:04
  love that about the Simpsons. They've they've been at head of the curve and
• 49:07
  like, our schools are terrible. They are not funded. They have to
• 49:10
  beg for scraps. Like oh that was another thing. I'm like from day
• 49:15
  one, they've had America on a social level pretty well, pretty well tracked
• 49:20
  any more. Brain Busters. Now, we have a little game we'd have
• 49:24
  to play here at four Finger Discount, Jeff, where it's called the Blockbuster
• 49:27
  Brainbuster, where we go back to the visual air date of this episode and
• 49:30
  I pitched I tell a guy the date, and you've got to try and
• 49:32
  guess what were the top three films at the US box office for that day
• 49:37
  for that week. I give you a clue for each I'll give you guys,
• 49:39
  the clues and let's see if you can come up with it. Right.
• 49:42
  So the number one movie, the clue is Wet, the clue for
• 49:45
  number two is Party Pooper, and the clue for number three is Quantumnia.
• 49:50
  Yeah, okay, Wet. I'm going to say, like Free Willie.
• 49:53
  No. Well, if we're talking ninety one, yeah, so we're talking
• 49:58
  a bit of bleed over from nineteen ninety. So what was big at the
• 50:00
  end of nineteen ninety January ten ninety one is when it ends flash. Now
• 50:06
  that's eighties, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna say it's Home Alone with the
• 50:08
  Wet Bandits. It's Home Alone with the Wet Bandits. Yes, oh,
• 50:13
  oh, okay, I went too far into the water. They're pretty loose
• 50:16
  to Clusia, I must have been when he went. I'm like I was
• 50:20
  thinking base againstinct. Number Number two is a Schwartznaker film. What's it called?
• 50:24
  Or what was the hint? Oh? The hint was party Pooper.
• 50:27
  Don't be a party pooper, Kindergarten cup well done? Yes, Number two
• 50:30
  with Kindergarten cop and number three think of what was Quantumnia in a series brilogy?
• 50:36
  Yeah? Third one? Oh, it's a beauty. Oh, it's
• 50:40
  an epic of the heart. It's a you know, to treat us on
• 50:43
  modern day America, what do we say? Uh, a classica have its
• 50:47
  to It's god Father three, right, it's the god Father three? Correct,
• 50:51
  guy? Yes? Oh god Oh I didn't get that god Father three.
• 50:53
  Oh yeah. Yeah, so that is like some mania. Yeah,
• 50:54
  the guy he initially misunderstood but now lovingly embraced third installation of a classic saga.
• 51:01
  Yes, I will also missed a couple of hit. It also stars
• 51:06
  a young teenage daughter. Yeah, it's got all of it. Yeah,
• 51:09
  you do you honestly, I feel like, and we've discussed this as well,
• 51:13
  where you know, a film that was poorly received in the nineties,
• 51:16
  it's almost like we're always looking back down and going you know, at the
• 51:19
  time I didn't like it, but on palm reflection, it was actually pretty
• 51:22
  great. It's happening more and more often now. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 51:24
  I uh, it's actually kind of interesting. Like any I'm not saying that,
• 51:30
  I'm not saying that Kuantamania is like Dylan going electric or anything, but
• 51:34
  like, um yeah, like also, people are idiots and people are just
• 51:39
  like no one knows what's going on. We just need some sense of certainty
• 51:44
  and he needs someone to feel like they know what they're talking about. But
• 51:46
  yeah, half these movie reviews don't mean anything and they don't believe it and
• 51:50
  they don't buy it. So like, I don't know, But I also
• 51:52
  love movie critics, Like I grew up with Roger Ebert, the American film
• 51:55
  critic, and like I would race home to watch his show, and like
• 51:59
  good film critics. I mean, yeah, they really open up the world
• 52:01
  of movies to you. But at the same time, hey, who cares,
• 52:05
  Like just watch it, see if you like it or not, watch
• 52:07
  it with your cousins, see if you laughs, or like the likes the
• 52:09
  holes guy, Like I think, especially these types of movies, Like I
• 52:14
  wrote it, I wrote it for like again from that super small town.
• 52:17
  We didn't even have a movie theater. Like we would drive to church on
• 52:21
  the weekends, and if it was like a good weekend, we could go
• 52:24
  see a movie after church. And it was always just a dumb movie that
• 52:28
  no one really wanted to see. It's like we all compromised on it,
• 52:30
  you know, or like whenever is that action comedy whatever? But there was
• 52:35
  a joy to that and I love that feeling of like watching a movie with
• 52:37
  your cousins or your brother and like kind of a movie you all agreed on.
• 52:42
  And I kind of wanted to write Quantumania like that. I'm like,
• 52:44
  I want to write one of those like fun movies you can go see with
• 52:46
  like your high school friends or your middle school friends, and like it doesn't
• 52:50
  have to be you know, it doesn't have to be Andre rube Lev or
• 52:52
  something or Solaris, but like you can make like a fun cheeseburger. I
• 52:55
  think that's the that's the route. That's the best type of comic book movie.
• 52:59
  I think, persolutely. Look some of my fondest movie owing memories,
• 53:02
  you know, from in my twenties or my lighteens or whatever. I mean,
• 53:07
  tang in Cash. It's a piece of shit. But I saw it
• 53:10
  with a group of friends at the cinema, you know, one night,
• 53:13
  and I don't know, we maybe had a burea or two beforehand, but
• 53:15
  yeah, we just had an absolute blast with it. I went to revisit
• 53:17
  a little while ago. I was like, du was all that good?
• 53:21
  But you know, my memories of it and that of that particular screen,
• 53:23
  you're like, oh man, that's such a blast with it. History will
• 53:27
  redeem Quantumania, Yes, I will stick. No, But I remember I
• 53:30
  was once again my second nine to eleven Records of the Night. I was
• 53:35
  like right after the nine to eleven and like the you know, the whole
• 53:37
  world is, you know, confused and full of tragedy. And we went
• 53:42
  to go see the movie rat Race, and I've never laughed. Loved that
• 53:46
  movie when I was growing up, loved It's so good. It's so stupid,
• 53:50
  it's so fun. Yeah. Each character is goofy and big and broad.
• 53:54
  I yeah, no, I still. I mean that is probably punch
• 53:59
  for punch, the most emotion I've had in a movie theater, just uproariously
• 54:02
  laughing at Race, like that's the way to do it. Rights is one
• 54:06
  of those movies where I didn't expect. I don't really know what I was
• 54:08
  going into, and then it just it's just so fun. There's so many
• 54:12
  stars in that movie just catches you off. God, that's my favorite type
• 54:15
  of Yeah. I mean, they just stacked that. It's so good.
• 54:17
  Yeah. Do you think the response to quantum Mania has it did an impact
• 54:22
  in any way your work with the upcoming Avengers film, Like when it comes
• 54:29
  to writing. Did it change your mindset of a few things but you sort
• 54:31
  of second guest certain elements. Yeah, I mean yes and no, like
• 54:36
  without getting into too many details, Like we got basically the idea and it's
• 54:40
  not going to affect all too much. But I mean, of course,
• 54:43
  if you're a writer, you want to see how your work is received.
• 54:46
  You want to see what people like, what they didn't get, what you
• 54:49
  could do better. That's all you know. Writing is eternal homework and research,
• 54:52
  and especially if you're neurotic, like you said, I'm the same way,
• 54:57
  like you want to read everything and learn everything. You want everyone to
• 54:59
  love view. But no, I think we had a pretty good idea going
• 55:02
  in and I don't think it's going to deviate too much. I don't know,
• 55:07
  these things can change all the time. But I was talking with Peyton
• 55:10
  about this the other day, Like if quantum Mania had been like a nightmare
• 55:15
  and we all hated each other and you know, it was some you know,
• 55:20
  disaster from the beginning, then maybe I would feel bad about it.
• 55:22
  But no, I actually had a great time work with good people and like
• 55:27
  we still like the movie, and so like, I don't know, I
• 55:30
  think other people got to catch up. I kind of dig it. I
• 55:32
  love that Modoca death scene. That's like my favorite thing I've ever written.
• 55:36
  Like, I love that he's such a loser and he's so he's so needy
• 55:44
  and he needs to be appreciated by these people and they just have to lie
• 55:45
  to him and let him on the Avengers and I don't know, like I
• 55:50
  think there's stuff in that movie to love. So it didn't Effectivengers too much,
• 55:52
  but you know, you try to just be a better writer as you
• 55:54
  go forward. Well, Disney now owned the Simpsons, Would you have a
• 55:58
  one to Penna Simpsons episode? Oh? Man, I would love to.
• 56:00
  I actually did write at Jimmy Kimmel. We had a little Simpsons crossover and
• 56:07
  so I did. I got I mean, it's just a small, little
• 56:08
  like sketch, but I got to write Homer and I cried in my car
• 56:14
  like he um. I did not it like hit me on a religious level,
• 56:20
  like in my in my heart like it. I did not expect it,
• 56:22
  Like you know, you you go and you hear the recording and it's
• 56:25
  you know, it's damn castle Amita sane lines that you wrote that maybe more
• 56:30
  so than anyone I've ever written for, Like that got me and like I
• 56:34
  didn't expect it. I cried in my car, like I was like shaking.
• 56:37
  So man, I would love to write a full Simpsons episode that Uh
• 56:42
  who would I love? I love Skinner and Moe, I love a Pooh.
• 56:46
  I don't know what I would do, um man off to think about
• 56:50
  it, I mean Burns. I would would be like a story that incorporates
• 56:53
  the town, like a monorail kind of episode, or do you think it
• 56:57
  more more more? Sort of a tone down. I love a town episode.
• 57:00
  I also love a good Lisa episode when they get those in there,
• 57:05
  those can be so emotional, like which I didn't appreciate as a kid.
• 57:07
  I didn't love the lasers get older. I'm a father of a daughter.
• 57:09
  I'm just like, oh my god, they said, you said it's so
• 57:12
  emotional. When you're a kid, it's all about Homer and Bart, and
• 57:15
  then when you grow up it's about Lisa and Marge. And you're like,
• 57:17
  oh, man, did you realize Lisa? Yeah, yeah yeah. If
• 57:21
  I or you turn into Marge too, your life is left you you Marge.
• 57:29
  I would man if I could crack a Marge Lisa episode those are rare,
• 57:32
  that'd be fun. Um, I don't know. I mean that's the
• 57:36
  beauty of the show. It's almost like Marvel comics, like there are so
• 57:39
  many good characters. All you have to do is like hit it and show
• 57:44
  each one. Like I love Lenny, like my favorite. I love just
• 57:47
  the running narrative of Lenny. If like you can't quite pin down is he
• 57:51
  a war hero? He lives in a in a house where nothing else is
• 57:53
  there. But then I'm going these eyes, Yeah, I love Lenny.
• 58:00
  Like that's a perfect character. He's only spoke, you know, he speaks
• 58:02
  maybe ten lines, maybe in an episode in a season. He's just perfect.
• 58:08
  Yeah. Lenny's just one of those characters where you think, who which,
• 58:10
  who would want to who would you want to be your friend? From
• 58:12
  Springfield? So many people just say Lenny, Oh yeah, of course he's
• 58:15
  Oh and there's that one episode I forget where it was from. It it
• 58:19
  was like mid mid you know, the teens or something. But like Homer
• 58:22
  uses a dumb lie to get out and go bowling. He's like, oh,
• 58:24
  yeah, something's wrong with Lenny. We gotta go not Lenny, like
• 58:29
  not Lenny. To my knowledge, they've never even met each other. It's
• 58:36
  so good. I mean, it's a beautiful show. I would love to
• 58:38
  write for it. I'm thinking if you could do like a Margin Lisa road
• 58:44
  trip story in the vein of like Lady Bird, you know that movie Lady
• 58:46
  Visiting Colleges or something. I think that would be fantastic. Oh yeah,
• 58:52
  that is really good. Yeah, a good Margin Lisa episode that that would
• 58:55
  tug at the heart strings. And yet I also came back around on Bart
• 59:00
  because obviously you can love Bart as a kid, but like the sportsfielder,
• 59:02
  Bart Simpson is like just a little rascal, like scamp. He's got like
• 59:07
  very like turn of the century American nannerisms, Art Brothers stuff. Yeah,
• 59:13
  I really like him. Yeah yeah. The original air day of Barkeets Hit
• 59:17
  by a Car was January tenth, nineteen ninety one. It was written by
• 59:20
  John Swatswelder and directed by Mark Kirkland. The chopball gag I will not sell
• 59:23
  school property, and the cash gag sees Homer bump everybody off the couch.
• 59:28
  Basically the episode kicks off of BArch just skateboarding down the street, and I
• 59:30
  thought it was interesting. It had the caption the title of the episode,
• 59:34
  and he ever does that with this episode and the Telltale Head where he steals
• 59:37
  the head of Jebedi Stach Jebedi Springfield in the in the first season, they
• 59:39
  never do this. I don't know. Would you do you think? Do
• 59:43
  you think it adds to the episode? Do you think they did as just
• 59:45
  like a visual gag of like here's the title and then immediately bargets but that
• 59:49
  could actually we can have actually seen it that way. Yeah, I was
• 59:52
  wondering about that. Did they Did they not do that for like season one
• 59:54
  episodes at all? Just the Telltale Head that's the only one. Yeah,
• 1:00:05
  I am. I think the boy's hurt. Oh for crying out loud.
• 1:00:08
  Just give him a nicola. Let's get going. I think we should call
• 1:00:13
  an ambulance, sir dude. I just love the attitude mister Burns, just
• 1:00:17
  like move on in the way that switches with the story later on. But
• 1:00:22
  then we get the Escalator to Heaven. This is the phil Hoptman's actually doing
• 1:00:24
  the voice of the escalator man here. And then we get a first little
• 1:00:29
  insight here in Snowball Snowball one with it with the tire marks over and things
• 1:00:31
  like that. What do you think of the devil and the Devil's great.
• 1:00:35
  Oh what I noticed it was like the hieronymous Bosh painting. Yes, well,
• 1:00:38
  and that actually impressed me because I'm like, wait, this is like
• 1:00:42
  nineteen ninety one, this is kind of pre internet. No one has any
• 1:00:45
  idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had to actually know what that
• 1:00:49
  was to reference it. And then like I love the thing about the Simpsons
• 1:00:52
  and also like X Men especially or comic books, they will reference thing that
• 1:00:55
  if you're you're they will reference things that as a child you don't know what
• 1:01:00
  they are, but you know it's something. It's like it's a bigger mystery
• 1:01:05
  out there. Like someone will quote I was such an idiot. There's a
• 1:01:08
  line that Magnetos said in this X Men cartoon. I thought it was just
• 1:01:12
  a Magneto quote. It turns out of Shakespeare like in the year later.
• 1:01:15
  I'm like, oh, okay, it's like hyperlinks before the Internet was invented,
• 1:01:21
  and mean, you know, and if you're lucky, you sort of
• 1:01:23
  you read an article, you get clued in by someone who's a bit more
• 1:01:25
  savy than it was, like, you know, the referencing Citizen Kane with
• 1:01:29
  that angle there, like which it is in kine, but then you discover
• 1:01:32
  a citizen gain and you will expand it just a little bit. Yeah,
• 1:01:36
  yeah, yeah, it's fantastic when I throw in Easter eggs before even the
• 1:01:39
  tone of Easter eggs, I think, and I think it's almost like a
• 1:01:44
  almost like a like a duty or a responsibility. Like I felt that way
• 1:01:47
  of like because I was that kid. So it's like in whatever you would
• 1:01:52
  call these quote unquote like lower forms of art or pop art or whatever you
• 1:01:55
  want to call it, Like, it is really cool when they can kind
• 1:01:59
  of crack the window a little bit and give you, if you're a kid,
• 1:02:02
  kind of a window into maybe a deeper literature, you know whatever,
• 1:02:06
  Like it shows you a world beyond just the comic book that you got.
• 1:02:09
  I think that's one of the best uses of them. It's thought that took
• 1:02:13
  it upon themselves. It's our job to educate the youth of America on pop
• 1:02:16
  culture references that they're not gonna understand anywhere else. Yeah, and then even
• 1:02:21
  not Yeah, it's like but also it's like also it can just work as
• 1:02:23
  a cool, groovy image, you know, Like it doesn't it's making a
• 1:02:27
  point of it. It just has it there in the Tapestry of America.
• 1:02:30
  It's cool. It's funny because the visual actually looks like it's almost the design
• 1:02:34
  of trou McClure the way they drew it. So we'll not it's about to
• 1:02:37
  be true mccluaugh. He wasn't even a part Simpson, who the hell are
• 1:02:45
  you? Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm not that all, and
• 1:02:51
  you've earned eternal damn nation for your lifetime of evil deeds. Bart spitting off
• 1:02:54
  the escalator just clenched it. Hey, I'm innocent, man, innocent.
• 1:03:02
  Everybody's innocent. Okay, let's just pull up your file here because okay,
• 1:03:10
  it seems to be a mistake. According to this, you're not due to
• 1:03:14
  arrive here until the next time the Yankees win the pennant. That's nearly a
• 1:03:15
  century from now. Boys, my face, Red Bart bart Um say,
• 1:03:22
  is there anything I can do to avoid coming back here? Oh? Sure,
• 1:03:25
  yeah, but now you wouldn't like it. Okay, see you later
• 1:03:29
  then goodbye, Bart. Remember why jee steel and listen to heavy Man on
• 1:03:34
  me. It was that Yester. So we got the hommer at the power
• 1:03:37
  plant here, and he's saying, you know, if I wasn't spineless.
• 1:03:39
  I'd marchinton burns his office. Did you have a moment like that, Jeff,
• 1:03:42
  where You're like, damn it, this joke is good. I'm not
• 1:03:45
  gonna let him take it out. I'm gonna march in there. But you
• 1:03:46
  just you just didn't quite have the guss to do it, Like did you
• 1:03:49
  have have a joke? Oh, yeah, every day. Yeah, I'm
• 1:03:53
  very I'm very good at being a spineless worm goes along with it. No,
• 1:03:58
  I think that was actually good training at like the I was at the
• 1:04:00
  Onion for a bit and then Jimmy Kimmel to where like are you know,
• 1:04:05
  you want to fight for the stuff that you like and you want to make
• 1:04:08
  it good and you want to get it all the way there. But even
• 1:04:11
  if you lose, it's like, all right, we'll do another show tomorrow,
• 1:04:14
  like you gotta it. Almost There is that thing with a writer,
• 1:04:16
  like you can get a little precious about your work, like I found,
• 1:04:19
  especially with like comedy writer friends and myself, if you have like one pilot
• 1:04:25
  that you've written and that's the one you're putting all your chips on, you
• 1:04:29
  get really defensive about it. Or if like someone gives you notes and is
• 1:04:31
  well, like yeah, but you know, man, it's a show about
• 1:04:34
  roommates. Maybe you can add a little bit, well, but are you're
• 1:04:38
  talking about like you get a little defensive if you've just got your one little
• 1:04:41
  baby, whereas it's good to kind of diversify. And that that was good
• 1:04:45
  at Kimmel, Like it allowed me to realize that, like, maybe the
• 1:04:49
  right form of this joke isn't there yet, Maybe there's another permutation of the
• 1:04:54
  joke, Maybe there's another version of it, like modocs. Certainly that was
• 1:04:58
  yeah, that's a good example of it of like stand up for the idea,
• 1:05:00
  but then also realize that, like, hey, something isn't quite translating
• 1:05:04
  here and like okay, how do we how do we bridge that gap?
• 1:05:06
  So that was maybe like the third or fourth narrative attempt at getting that character
• 1:05:12
  right. Um So, I don't know. I've certainly buried my pride a
• 1:05:16
  lot and taking the lumps, but I don't know. You gotta choose your
• 1:05:19
  battles. I think that's just the maturity that comes with experience, really,
• 1:05:23
  isn't it. I don't know, or just dead in the soul? Are
• 1:05:26
  you losing? What's the point yeah, now we'll get a real doctor's opinion.
• 1:05:35
  But no, your son is a very sick boy. Just look at
• 1:05:43
  the X rays. You see that duck spot there we blush Welsh. Oh
• 1:05:48
  no, and this smige here that looks like my fingerprint. No, that's
• 1:05:54
  trauma. Am I gonna die? Homer? No, of course you're not
• 1:06:03
  going to tie. Everything's fine. Well, I ever played baseball again,
• 1:06:12
  but I played baseball this morning. That's right. He did. Excuse me,
• 1:06:15
  but doctor Hibbert has been our family physician for years and he thought bar
• 1:06:19
  was fine. No, doctor Hibbert Jenkins medical too. Without due respect,
• 1:06:26
  Missus Simpson, you're not a doctor. The boy's not a doctor. I'm
• 1:06:30
  not a doctor. The only person in this room who even comes close is
• 1:06:32
  this man. Stop you're embassing me. Doctor. Are you sure there isn't
• 1:06:38
  a little soft tissue trauma in the facial area? Oh yeah, tons of
• 1:06:44
  it. Just so well, doctor Nick making his first appearance here. As
• 1:06:47
  I said, like doctor Nick, I never really put him with one on
• 1:06:50
  hospital. They're just other perfect pair, aren't they working in Unison? Yeah?
• 1:06:55
  Yeah, I always associated with him like he had a TV show,
• 1:06:58
  right, like hi, doctor Nick, Like he's usually on the able access
• 1:07:00
  on Feels Unlock one of those true McClure shows once you know, Hi,
• 1:07:04
  I'm Trum McClure. One of those kind of shows facial if he's an infamocial
• 1:07:08
  guy inmcial. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. But what are
• 1:07:11
  your thoughts on the Doctor Nick character? Oh? Uh, you know that's
• 1:07:15
  when I don't have too many thoughts about it. I don't know, like
• 1:07:17
  he's he was never never really my favorite. There's a few side characters that
• 1:07:23
  I, oh, I know, I don't really care for doctor Nick,
• 1:07:26
  and I don't really care for Professor Frank. He never really does it,
• 1:07:30
  Okay, yeah, yeah, for some reason, I know they're doing like
• 1:07:33
  a nutty professor like old like Jerry Lewis thing, but like, yeah,
• 1:07:38
  Frank never does it for me, and neither does Nick. Really like.
• 1:07:41
  I guess I like Nick a little bit better because he can have more medical
• 1:07:44
  jokes or things like that. But I will say I think Frank is my
• 1:07:47
  least favorite character. The God's last favorite character is Grandskapa. Willie just does
• 1:07:51
  not like him. Oh interesting and fair enough, fair enough. I think
• 1:07:55
  he's got he's got some good stuff in there, but I can see what
• 1:07:58
  you're saying. Yeah, right in here, mister Simpson, and he calls.
• 1:08:04
  Della calls, Oh, calls, Yes, the Supreme Court called again.
• 1:08:11
  They need your help on some freedom thing. Tell them to sit tight.
• 1:08:14
  I'll get back to them this way. Mister Simpson, you sure have
• 1:08:19
  cut some education. Mister Hutch, Yes, Harvard, Yale, MT.
• 1:08:24
  Oxford, the saber on the lubra. Oh oh well, mister Simpson.
• 1:08:30
  The state bar forbids me from promising you a big cash settlement. But just
• 1:08:35
  between you and me, I promise you a big cash settlement. My fee
• 1:08:42
  is fifty percent. You'll be getting more than just a lawyer, mister Simpson.
• 1:08:45
  You'll also be getting this exquisite faux pearl necklace, a ninety nine dollars
• 1:08:50
  value, as our gift to you. Well, I don't know, you
• 1:08:56
  and I might have different ideas about just how big a big cash gentleman is
• 1:09:01
  a million dollars? Who I can't correct it a million bucks? Hey,
• 1:09:06
  Okay, I just loved the Della the secretary and the way huts is just
• 1:09:11
  sort of he convinces these people to walk through the door that he's a legitimate
• 1:09:15
  lawyer, when really he's not good at all. I mean that's a lovely
• 1:09:17
  little shout out as well. If we're talking little easter eggs, I mean
• 1:09:19
  the fact that she's named Della. I mean Perry Mason, the famous TV
• 1:09:23
  lawyer. His secretary slash girl Friday was was dellast really so it's um,
• 1:09:28
  Oh didn't know that. I've never seen Perry Mason. I gotta get on
• 1:09:30
  that. And the voice of her was, um, lunch lady Doris,
• 1:09:33
  Doris Graw. I can see that. Yeah, I'm ying in those huts.
• 1:09:40
  Who are your favorite voices on The Simpsons, Jeff Oh, I mean
• 1:09:44
  I think mister Burns is fantastic mo of course, like so Azaria Shearer,
• 1:09:48
  Um Herbapple, I always liked Herbapple. I think she's got a great voice
• 1:09:53
  and always Bart the lover before choosing this episode, I mean Mark, I
• 1:10:00
  mean again, yeah, I guess he can I say, Homer like the
• 1:10:04
  the like the sophistication, the delivery. I mean, how yea seven hundred
• 1:10:09
  and fifty episodes each one he knocks it out of the park like it is.
• 1:10:13
  Oh. And also Lisa, I mean like she's Lisa's got a lot
• 1:10:15
  of emotion in her voice and a lot a lot of range, and like
• 1:10:18
  the way Yard Lisa does that, I'm choosing pretty pretty obvious ones. Oh
• 1:10:26
  yeah, you know, I don't. I guess Frank comic book guy doesn't
• 1:10:30
  quite do it for him. He's fine, but like, I don't really
• 1:10:33
  care. H I love the smaller side characters, like the sarcastic business guy
• 1:10:39
  who's always like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's my guys. My
• 1:10:45
  man's character must be the ladies. I don't know. I mean, there's
• 1:10:53
  just so many. It really is like a beautiful show. I liked um.
• 1:10:58
  John Lovitts is like the ater director of the Streetcar named Desire episode well
• 1:11:03
  and clip plus Professor Lombardo Yeah yeah, Jacques like the French Ball apparently he
• 1:11:10
  came back and a yeah. And there's a lot of outrage because speaking of
• 1:11:14
  Cannon earlier that there's there's a clip show where Marge tells Homer about that story
• 1:11:17
  because it's like a love story clip show, right, I go back to
• 1:11:21
  that story and Homer's annoyed by it. But in this one, Homer didn't
• 1:11:25
  know about and everyone's like, oh, but she's already revealed it, No,
• 1:11:27
  twenty seven years ago, how does he not know it now? And
• 1:11:29
  everyone's like, it's like, just relax, It's just she had. Also,
• 1:11:31
  Homer has been to space and then the Barbershope in the eighties. Apparently
• 1:11:36
  he also went to high school in the nineteen seventies and the nineteen nineties.
• 1:11:40
  Yeah, the show has a lot of ret kinning. So take off that
• 1:11:45
  genius at work T shirt, sir, and just you know, enjoy the
• 1:11:46
  show. Springfield Municiable Court is now in session. Judge Malton Presiety Urana.
• 1:11:54
  My client has instructed me to remind the court how rich an important he is,
• 1:11:58
  that he is not like other men. I should be able to run
• 1:12:00
  over as many kids as I want. Mister Burns, I must warn you
• 1:12:09
  that if you continue to disrupt the court in this way, I will have
• 1:12:12
  to site you for contempt. You well, no, I guess I wouldn't
• 1:12:17
  calling Barthami J. Simpson to the stand. Oh please, hello, Bart,
• 1:12:28
  Now you know the difference between telling the truth and telling a lie,
• 1:12:32
  don't your son? Maybe? Well, you wouldn't lie to the United States,
• 1:12:39
  would you? Bart? Oh? No, good, proceed, mister
• 1:12:45
  Huts. I should be able to run over as many kids as I want.
• 1:12:49
  Thought about that joke that got me It's like, that's how he starts
• 1:12:53
  the that's how Court starts. Yeah, it just lives in this bubble away
• 1:12:57
  and rules to stand applot to me. Also, like Burns mentions Ogre a
• 1:13:01
  lot. He always mentions you don't want to be an He did in this
• 1:13:04
  episode, and I think there's another one where he doesn't, like, I'm
• 1:13:06
  not an Ogre. I just want to bash your bones from to make my
• 1:13:10
  super or something like that. I really enjoyed the animation of both the stories
• 1:13:15
  really, in particular bats one were talking about the luxury car of death that's
• 1:13:18
  coming to getting But you can just tell that the director and the animals just
• 1:13:20
  had an absolute ball making those stories. Yeah, that's always fun even Yeah,
• 1:13:26
  like the Rick and Morty side of it, like you have kind of
• 1:13:29
  like your your house style of like, hey, you know how the episode
• 1:13:31
  looks, but then every once in a while you kind of get you get
• 1:13:33
  to go into like a magical realism or a fantasy or something like that,
• 1:13:36
  and you get to kind of play around Simpson's probably, I mean Probace started
• 1:13:42
  that. I don't know, maybe maybe Looney Tunes did back in the day,
• 1:13:44
  but like anytime they do a little like Homer dream sequence or You're inside
• 1:13:48
  of a brain or something like. That's where some of the best jokes come
• 1:13:51
  from. I didn't enjoy as well when Burns was yelling at lays or.
• 1:13:55
  By the way, this is the first appearance also of the blue Head Lawyer.
• 1:13:59
  Oh, I do like that guy. He's always fun. Yea.
• 1:14:00
  Yeah. Now he's based on Roy Kone or something roy kone. Yeah,
• 1:14:04
  it's um an evil, evil person. He was lawyer for Senator Joe McCarthy
• 1:14:12
  back during the Blacklist era. Oh wow, I think he might have been
• 1:14:15
  the mentor of this guy Roger Stone, who's like an advisor to Nixon through
• 1:14:19
  Trump. Yeah, basically just yeah, he's Satan essentially, But yeah,
• 1:14:26
  the blue Head lawyers are much nicer those. I'm a big fan of Blue
• 1:14:29
  Heir lawyer guy. Yeah, he's always good. Now, I know you're
• 1:14:31
  shot on time and Jeff, so we'll just we'll just get towards the end
• 1:14:33
  here. So basically, yeah, so the Marge, she speaks the truth.
• 1:14:36
  I did love when they're in mister Burns's mansion, this little little peep
• 1:14:40
  holes through through the painting things like that. But I'm just the way to
• 1:14:43
  sort of shuns about. But this released the hounds, like he knows he's
• 1:14:45
  one. Great. That was a great shot that that. I don't know
• 1:14:48
  why it reminded me of a hitchcock, but just that really sort of high
• 1:14:51
  angle shot of them running across the lawn, you know, with the with
• 1:14:55
  the with the hound chasing, felt like something out of north By Northwest or
• 1:14:59
  whatever. Something I really dog just pride of that though. It was burns
• 1:15:01
  Max's offer of half a mill. He's crossed out a mill, rots half
• 1:15:04
  a mill, and then puts a little smiley face. He's been your wife
• 1:15:10
  for ten years, You've had three children together. It's time to be honest
• 1:15:14
  with her. I'm not sure I love you anymore, but don't worry.
• 1:15:18
  I'll never let on. I'll still do all the bed stuff. Maybe you
• 1:15:21
  won't be so bad. Oh my lord, Well, I don't want to
• 1:15:26
  wait another minute to find out whether you love me anymore. I think that
• 1:15:30
  you should look me in the eyes and find out. No, Homer,
• 1:15:36
  look at me, all right, all right, look at her if it'll
• 1:15:41
  shut her up, start with the feet still angry. Good, good,
• 1:15:44
  Homer, good, This is a tough neat refreshment. Good old trustworthy beer.
• 1:15:48
  My love for you will never die. All right, all right,
• 1:15:51
  gotta look at the wife straight in the eyes and tell her, oh my
• 1:16:01
  kidding, I love you more than ever. I love you, Choder to
• 1:16:06
  scare you like that, baby, Okay, everybody for the age fifteen minutes,
• 1:16:15
  one dirt off on every picture, one podcast in my domestic beer only
• 1:16:23
  I ain't no sharing more. Yeah. So the ending here, it was
• 1:16:29
  just like we said, it just seemed to just come out of nowhere,
• 1:16:30
  this little element. Didn't it of just that? Like you said, it
• 1:16:31
  felt like they sort of run out of time. Maybe, but I find
• 1:16:34
  it I find it hard to believe that Schwartzwater would have found it hard to
• 1:16:38
  fill out twenty two minutes. It feels like I feel like he wanted this
• 1:16:42
  in there. But maybe do you think it maybe need a little bit more
• 1:16:44
  time to have more effect. I still think it had enough emotion. But
• 1:16:46
  oh, I think it certainly had emotion. You know, I don't know
• 1:16:49
  any far be it from me to credit John schwartz Felds like the best Simpsons
• 1:16:53
  writer there ever was. You know, It's like, I'm not the episode
• 1:16:56
  of I wrote the Slut Dragons, episode of Rick and Morty. I don't
• 1:16:59
  know, Penny, but like it. I guess if I'm looking at as
• 1:17:02
  like a TV writer perspective, it's like, yeah, Homer's is the main
• 1:17:05
  character. It's like he hasn't had much of an arc yet, So maybe
• 1:17:09
  you need to have a bit of a consequence and then you need to like
• 1:17:13
  you need him in Marche to have like a reconciliation over their differing views in
• 1:17:17
  the episode of like she wants to tell the truth, he'd going down the
• 1:17:20
  sleazy wrote route. You need to have almost like the outcome of that.
• 1:17:25
  It does feel a little heavy or a little like the same time, if
• 1:17:30
  he's just disappointed, you only have about two episodes, two minutes to go.
• 1:17:34
  So maybe he did go in strong because they have such a great episode.
• 1:17:39
  They had the you know, Barton Hell and all that stuff. It's
• 1:17:42
  like there's a lot of episode, a lot of dream sequences, there's a
• 1:17:45
  lot of stuff. And so maybe that he made the choice to hit him
• 1:17:47
  hard at the end and then you can have kind of a big emotion and
• 1:17:51
  then a big reconciliation. Whereas maybe in another episode that would have happened around
• 1:17:57
  you know, the midpoint, that would have been apt too that Homer is
• 1:18:00
  disappointed in margin doesn't know if he loves it or not. But this had
• 1:18:02
  to come in with like two minutes to spare. That's say I've been closing
• 1:18:05
  on a line like well, not closing on it, but having a line
• 1:18:10
  with two minutes ago and saying I'm not sure I love you anymore. It's
• 1:18:12
  like you've got to pull some heavy gymnastics to pull that one back there.
• 1:18:18
  Yeah, that's pretty heavy, man. I cut March from Slack. Great
• 1:18:23
  directing though of just the way he's sort of looking up the body off from
• 1:18:25
  feet, takes a drink and then goes to a face. But um,
• 1:18:28
  and and it's beautiful when Homer says no, like he's very like he's a
• 1:18:31
  sad puppy. It's so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now one
• 1:18:34
  final question here is what we ask everybody. So it's nineteen ninety eight,
• 1:18:39
  you've been given the task. You're putting together a Friday night Simpsons marathon on
• 1:18:42
  Fox, consisting of five episodes. What are you choosing? Oh, it's
• 1:18:46
  nineteen ninety eight. I kind of forget which one. So that's season one
• 1:18:49
  to nine? Okay, uh, Flaming Mose Monorail the Bobo episode Dolphins.
• 1:18:59
  No, that's later, Dolphins, isn't nine is? I love the Dolphins
• 1:19:01
  Treehouse of Horrors. That's one of the greatst sort of like post Golden Ero
• 1:19:04
  ones, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, I would do the Cane and
• 1:19:06
  Kodos, Bill Clinton, Bob Dole Treehouse. Then that's a great one.
• 1:19:11
  You gotta have a chance of horror in the marathon. I feel like,
• 1:19:13
  yeah, oh wonderful. Yeah, of course. And then I would do
• 1:19:15
  like, um, Hank Scorpio, like the you Only Move twice. Maybe
• 1:19:18
  that that's pretty pretty safe choice another another episode, though at the time people
• 1:19:23
  didn't like it, but now Hank Scorpion is one of the most beloved characters
• 1:19:26
  of all time and EPs in one episode it was the ant man in the
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  waist corn of many of its time. Yes, oh, and Bart the
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  Lover. I would I would put that in there. That's a great well,
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  Jeff, Thank you so much for your time, mate. It's been
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  an absolute pleasure to have you on the show. And all the best with
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  Avengers, the Kane Dynasty. Oh yeah, no, guys, just so
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  much fun. Oh yeah, maybe I'll see you again down the road.
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  That would be fantastic, Let's make that happen. Jeers Man, what a
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  dude. Hey, I think it's like to say that he is an U
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  BFF and expect him on many more full think it just shows moving forward now,
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  top dude. Yeah, really funny, very very clearly, very smart
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  man. Yeah, absolutely no were We were stoked to have him on board
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  and big time, Jeff, you'd be more than well, hey, my
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  favorite. Now before we go, mister Davis, I feel like maybe just
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  sort of skim through the episodes a little key moments just to sort of give
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  the listeners what they want, because we didn't sort of cover everything of the
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  episode, like what were your favorites in particular? We sort of discussed that.
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  But yeah, well, look, of course it's great to hear Phil
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  Hartman. Yeah, in various form. Just yeah, that's such such it's
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  such a big moment for the show. The fact that Phil's now joined.
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  He changed the show, changed the show. Yeah. As I said during
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  the episode, during the fourth fingered Disco of episode that we've just recorded,
• 1:20:45
  it's the early phase of the early incarnation of Lionel hearts. He's not bumbling
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  just yet. He's not quite he hasn't read guils a shyster. He's more
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  just yea, yeah, he's just he's just a shyster. He's just an
• 1:20:55
  ambulance chaser. He's literally chasing an ambulance at some stay, which I think
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  is fantastic. I did also love it when he's like hears and goes,
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  oh, just missed. And of course, you know, Hartman just knew
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  exactly the right amount of must to put onlines like that. That's so great.
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  Um, I might be with Jeff and the doctor Nick is kind of
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  one note, and you know, sometimes you don't mind hearing that one particular
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  note, but if you hear it over and over and over again, yeah,
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  gets a bit. So. I did like though, when you see
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  his office and he's got his various qualifications on the world. At least one
• 1:21:29
  of them says smooth operator. I think another one might say IBA like female
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  body inspector. He's just got really shit qualification. Yeah, but we talked
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  a bit about the ending, and yeah, it really is an emotional hairpin
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  turn that I don't know the show absolutely nowhere. Yeah, the show is
• 1:21:49
  well crafted and you know, goodhearted enough to sort of pull out of.
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  But yeah, I mean, if that was much, don't He's something like
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  dwelling on for why Yeah. Yeah. What I thought was interesting was,
• 1:22:01
  you know, we're in season seventeen now, and there's so many times lately
• 1:22:04
  where it feels like we're gonna give an emotional ending and it's comes out of
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  nowhere, like even the one was it last week they see home a Run
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  where where Lisa says, you know what, Dad, you tried your best
• 1:22:15
  to change this town and I respect you for it, and it's like he
• 1:22:17
  didn't do anything like it just feels like they're sort of throwing these little emotional
• 1:22:20
  beats in at the end at the end of the episode, like the last
• 1:22:23
  minute or so. Here though I didn't realize that they've been doing it since
• 1:22:27
  season two. It works here now it seems very heavy. But put yourself
• 1:22:31
  in Homer's shoes, right, you're about to win five hundred grand, but
• 1:22:34
  like a million dollar case, and your wife as much as your lover,
• 1:22:38
  you know she's doing the right thing, but she's just cost you half a
• 1:22:41
  million dollars. Like you can understand why he is, and he doesn't.
• 1:22:45
  He's never angry at her. That's what I liked about. He never yells
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  at her. Never puts it down. Even at the dinner, he sort
• 1:22:50
  of says things along the lines of, you know, he's having his inner
• 1:22:53
  monologue. He's just depressed. Yeah, he's just depressed. He's just like,
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  oh no, I'm never gonna look at you the same way. Like
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  it's not like he's angry yet her, He's just he's just he's he doesn't
• 1:23:01
  know how to feel anymore. Yeah, And I don't think he's even disappointed
• 1:23:04
  in Marge. I think he's just kind of disappointed it like he had he's
• 1:23:08
  had a little glimpse or little life that you know, he's always wanted,
• 1:23:12
  and not just for him, for his family as well. It was just
• 1:23:15
  then reach and and it's gone. And it's not gone for bad reasons or
• 1:23:18
  a neptitude or anything like that. Like I said, I mean my favorite
• 1:23:21
  liners that like you for to give me for doing the right thing. Yeah,
• 1:23:25
  it's not exactly a million bucks, but you know that'll keep your warm
• 1:23:28
  at not knowing that you know, lived honorably. I really enjoyed Marge swearing
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  under Earth. She sounded like she was teching out awfully. Seriously. I
• 1:23:38
  think as the episode progressed, as Jeff was mentioning John Swatswater when he writes
• 1:23:42
  Bart, he writes, like this little rascal. So at the start he
• 1:23:45
  was just kind of like, oh, be fine, But the more it
• 1:23:46
  went on, he was just like he was enjoying the playing the role of
• 1:23:49
  the sick key year and at the start at tension in that way because at
• 1:23:55
  the start he is more concerned. He's like, I was playing baseball this
• 1:23:58
  morning or Whatever's like, I'm okay, And then as you know, the
• 1:24:00
  Hut's influence gets sort of like takes over. It is just like can you
• 1:24:03
  roll the eyes in the back of your head? Oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:24:04
  like this the kids are pro like Bart was in Bart was enjoying it.
• 1:24:09
  Yeah, well you see it later in like the Timo tool. Thankful.
• 1:24:13
  Yes. Anyway, overall, this is just, yeah, one of those
• 1:24:15
  episodes that I find out a lot with the season two episodes that I go
• 1:24:18
  back and I don't revisit them anywhere near enough. But you said, if
• 1:24:21
  you said to me, I do want to go watch Bart gets hit by
• 1:24:24
  a car, be like, yeah, I guess. And I watched this
• 1:24:26
  and I'm like, oh god, this is just great. Like there's just
• 1:24:28
  so many classics in this year. Yeah, for mine, it hasn't quite
• 1:24:31
  hit top speed or peak performance yet. I don't think it really does that
• 1:24:34
  until season three. But it's really getting there and you can really tell.
• 1:24:38
  It's just it's still working yourself out. But like compared to season seventeen episode,
• 1:24:44
  Sorry Jeff, I'm doing a frank forever. But thank you guys for
• 1:24:47
  listening to our chat with with Jeff Lovesness discussing the episode Bart gets hit by
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  a car. I hope you guys enjoyed it. I meant I'm just speaking
• 1:24:55
  to Jeff. I just that was that. That was great. I'd love
• 1:24:57
  to have him, Jeff, you're listening, Like guy said, we'd love
• 1:24:59
  to have you back on the show whenever you would want to, because that
• 1:25:01
  was absolute delighted. It's like I trying to say to him, you know,
• 1:25:05
  you're just you know, from a small town. You're right for Kim.
• 1:25:08
  Now you're writing an Avengers movie. That's like, does it get any
• 1:25:12
  bigger than writing an Avengers movie? In twenty twenty three, not really knew
• 1:25:16
  when it comes to writing blockbuster films, what is it? What would be
• 1:25:19
  a bigger blockbuster franchise film than an Avengers movie? I can't think of anything
• 1:25:25
  right now. I don't think I'd ever be able to sort of, I'd
• 1:25:28
  be too scared. Like imagine that the nervousness that must come with having so
• 1:25:31
  much at your fingertips, that that everything's writing on what you Obviously there's going
• 1:25:35
  to be changes here and there, but it's writing on the idea and that
• 1:25:39
  you're putting out there, you know. Like I said, I mean,
• 1:25:42
  you're taking the Lamborghini a for a spin and you really want to let it
• 1:25:45
  rip, but you're also terrified you might put a dint in it. Yeah,
• 1:25:47
  but it's also having knowing that they've got the faith in you that must
• 1:25:51
  be in the feeling you must feel knowing that Marvel Studios are putting there and
• 1:25:57
  they're pushing the chips and on on Jeff lpness. It's like, yeah,
• 1:26:00
  but you have a chat to the guy and you can understand why. I
• 1:26:02
  think I think Jeff is good in a room, shall we? Yeah?
• 1:26:05
  But I think you can also back it up. Yeah, one hundred percent,
• 1:26:08
  of course you can. Yes, But yeah, I hope you guys
• 1:26:10
  enjoyed our chat with Jeff. You're definitely be coming on another episode in the
• 1:26:13
  near future. Don't forget guys too. Please continue to rate and review us
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• 1:26:23
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• 1:26:26
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• 1:26:32
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• 1:26:35
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• 1:26:39
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• 1:26:42
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