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Best Ball Draft Strategy & Top Rookie Targets · Fantasy NFL Today

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, welcome back into another edition of the fantasy NFL today show produced by sports ethos.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Anthony Quarante.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can follow me at a Q-fresh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm joined here by the sports ethos diners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dying is delayed, Patrick Leary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Patrick, how are you today?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy to be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy to talk some some rookies and do the baseball draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very cool, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely, but before we get into the basketball draft, as is our tradition, every Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you are a dynasty lead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You said, you wanted to talk to work Easton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's definitely what we wanted to do today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you are sifting through all of your rankings for the different positions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why don't we go ahead and just start with the quarterback's here a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's at least as far as consensus goes a pretty
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[SPEAKER_01]: lackluster class, I guess if you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But how do you feel about it, personal?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am becoming slightly more bullish on camor than I would have been a few months ago around draft time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the consensus about him kind of being an out of nowhere prospect to become the number one pick is a bit frightening and the Titans being the landing spot is not amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't really hear any negative buzz about him like whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it seems like that's going to be something that he's a role he steps into really comfortably.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now whether he's like good enough to be like a transcendent fantasy quarterback, I think is still TBD.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But from like a dynasty perspective, I'd be comfortable with him in like the mid first in like a rookie startup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think he's a really interesting basketball pick just because the upside is definitely there at a point where you're not getting a lot of other guys with upside on that level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then besides him, the rest is kind of a mess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dart has an interesting profile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're a giant guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dart is an interesting profile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not sure he's going to get much action this year or be good enough to sustain an NFL quarterback job for more than a year or two, but he has an interesting fantasy skill set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Milro, I haven't seen Ox guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The buzz on Milro is great, but he's also like a year away from being a year away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you talk to people who know things, and then it's just a mess after that, like Tyler Schuck is probably going to get that job, but I mean, what kind of quarterback is he really, and the Brown situation is the hottest of hot messes that is not worth touching in fantasy until it plays out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wrote a little bit about Tyler Chuck myself and my lay round flyers, basketball article.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For basketball, I think he's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's generally the last round pick if you kind of run out of stacking options.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the saints, or you can just double up on Chuck and Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The tight end, I think that's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in my research, he didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so he had a seven year college career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't he never really broke out, which was the weird art.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like he at least stats wise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was decent, but never really great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the tape maybe tells a different tale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think that I mean, he was the third quarterback taken in the NFL draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that just shows the lack of death at the quarterback position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get a million injuries too, which is just like that could be a problem for him in the league as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then go getting back to the number one pick can more to a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel about the environment that they put him in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Titans have definitely upgrade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've on paper of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're upgraded the offensive line in free agency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did add a couple mid-round receivers and then they tagged on Miami team at Xavier or Streppo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is an undrapped free agent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who I look he really like to make the roster, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, probably there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the Titans maybe could have did more to help him succeed earlier?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think adding kind of Tyler Lockett and some mid-range underwhelming rookies is enough here to go a cowardly?
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[SPEAKER_00]: could they have done more to help him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had to go from such a position of weakness, where they probably had the worst wide receiver room until the Saints had everyone get injured in the league last year, and they had a terrible, terrible offensive line, and they did
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[SPEAKER_00]: spend a lot of money to try to upgrade that offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did draft a lot of, or bring in three rookie wide receivers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned a streppo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got IOMander from Stanford and Shmeri DK as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And none of those are high capital investments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like kind of a volume shooting approach to trying to get him some better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: guys and then obviously he's just got kind of the holdovers with the two running backs and a riddley and a concovo and also better helm who I don't really know if he matters for in terms of like helping his situation but he was kind of like a prospecty tie-in that was at least on people's radars
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[SPEAKER_00]: So could they have done more?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They did a lot, but they were from such a position of weakness that I really still think it's a very bad situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, it's kind of going to be incumbent on what level of
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say readiness and like situational maturity cam ward has like a cam ward is just a guy with with the right makeup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it kind of seems like he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he could potentially kind of make that situation work for himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It won't be like amazing and high upside because of the no back of great players around him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he I think he can succeed there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's still rough situation and it's why
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still not like take camward one oh two because like if the number one overall pit quarterback you know pops off then he'll be a great asset because I just think there's too many situational downsides for
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you say take him in one or two, I'm assuming you're talking about the superflex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're not taking him in one or two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't even wear in one quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say he's probably a second round pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He might be a late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a pale late first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Superflex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably like the mono sticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can tell you in the two rookie, one QB league graphs I did, he won the middle of the second round of both of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I took them at one of four and a super flexly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got my dog out here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Give me a quick positive note.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something to believe in Jackson Darden and then we'll move to our running back position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Jackson Dart, the big thing is just the rushing upside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he gets that job, he will likely be a fantasy producer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if he's going to be a good enough quarterback at winning NFL games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually having this conversation with John yesterday about
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of the Justin Fields type quarterback where it's a quarterback who runs a lot and scores a lot of fancy points, but he's not good enough at being an NFL quarterback to keep an NFL job and have consistent dinosaur value.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's I think what I worry about with Dart, but the rushing upside is definitely there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was super productive at Ole Miss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's obviously a system that kind of cheats production metrics a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the problem that I keep running into with Dart is I think he's pretty behind Russell Wilson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like and the window for him to start and then need to succeed feels fairly small for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's definitely worth having and in the chance that he does put it together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess it's just a little bit of
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a little bit of pessimism just because I'm not sure what the windows go up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My leap name is just a great way to shave a one though for a quarterback if they're trying to put it together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, Moli Knabers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My wide receiver is three on the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you, my, my top seventy five wide receivers came out today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And while this is a basketball show, those are redraft rankings, specifically for twenty five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although I certainly will take Moli Knabers as a third wide receiver off the board of my best in my best ball drafts and also be happy with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: going through some of his dynasty rankings and let's go ahead and move right on to the running backs now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I mean, we could probably talk about asking Gentile day and just how good of a prospect he is and how awesome we expect to be with the Raiders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's model.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We go ahead and talk about some of the, I guess, lower guys in the rankings because this is a really strong running back class for my understanding and you know more than me, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why don't you go ahead and give me, let's say, two of your favorites, you know, second, third round, one quarterback rookie draft running backs to target.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one, one thing that I actually do want to say in, in, like, non-GENTY running back land is I've become much more bullish on Hampton, Maureen Hampton over the last, like, month or so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say it's all Nanji Harris blowing his face up with a firework.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it really, it really is a lot of that just because, I mean, they really, uh, one of the charges reporters like tweeted a picture of Nanger Harris earlier today and he's like walking around in like a hoodie in sunglasses and like he's wearing like the Brett heart sunglasses to the like the really thick that it's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I'm just wearing this bro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not like hiding my face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I just think that situation is so weird that I just like can't imagine anything other than Hampton is gonna like hit the ground running at this point, just because they're just like obstructing something with the Najee with the Najee entry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Hampton, I would say if your team is kind of like really trying to go like right now and dynasty, Hampton would be one or two for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I'm like, I'm like, I'm a Ted guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, I guess he goes by.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He likes T-Mac better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a T-Mac guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I understand the Travis Hunter case, but, um, Marion Hampton, I think I have him six, six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have him behind only obviously the top three and then say quannin, Devon A and Chan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have to see your top of when you're overall ranking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Hampton say Arden's overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: six overall running back in dynasty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'll be six.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thanks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like redraft that, but yeah, correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's probably like like twelve thirteen, maybe now in in redraft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I took him actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had my Scotty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you just got a fish ball at all?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I actually just completed my Scott Fishball draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your answer to the day before I'll propose an online, but yeah, yeah, I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did Scott Fishball live on Sunday and I kind of got squeezed in the third round and I really like where I ended up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just smacked Hampton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was like, this is like the guy that you want, like, upside for running back in this super weird volume based scoring format that they have is just unlimited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, yeah, I'll just do this because I haven't been, I haven't really done enough of the Hampton thing in anything yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This spring summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm super bullish on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Other guys I like further down the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're a Tracy guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about this already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really love skate about or skateboard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just like he transcends like what you think about like what makes it running that good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think because he's really slow probably.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not like a hundred percent jerks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't really run, but I know that he's the fastest guy in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's he's slow super slow for an NFL running back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just, you watched, I've watched him play actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, so I've, University of Washington in season tickets and Arizona State played University of Washington.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was University of Washington's worst game when they were undefeated into the, um, into the National Championship game two years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Skatebo was a monster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just, he would just do stuff that it was like, who is this guy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How is this possible?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so last year, obviously, you know, I knew like, I'd seen him in a couple of games and then last year he was just an absolute machine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think he does stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as like a competitor that is transcendent of like, oh, this is just like a four seven running back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other case that I've heard on him that I really like is he does the things that score fancy points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He scores touchdowns and he catches passes and he's a
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[SPEAKER_00]: a well-rounded running back on top of that he's not just like a little scatter back the catches passes like he's a big well-rounded running back and he kind of does the valuable things that kind of even if he's not an amazing NFL running back he will score for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm big on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I guess the situation I'm still not totally sure about is the Cleveland running backs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's interesting, especially with the judge, Kim's, oh yeah, rest and all of that stuff going on as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Cleveland super interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about Dylan Samson?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, there was a lot of really good pre-draft buzz on him and then obviously he got one of the worst possible run outs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say because he got lower capital than people were expecting he could have been a day two guys a day three guy and he got drafted behind one of the like bell cow star prospects in the class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that combination is just horrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's just been kind of like a third round guy for for most of the summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, now obviously he's like almost even with judgekins in baseball, um, from just like a outlook perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and really like the the for the next three months are huge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for medium term like dynasty outlook like who wins the job in training camp and who impresses to start the season is like massively consequential right so there there is a ramp for Samson I think to be an NFL starter early on now but I'm just still a little like what
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is this legal situation with Judkins actually meaningfully due to his career is such an up in the air question that I'm not sure how, because I was really, I was pretty high on Judkins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people were, he is here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was really talented in college and such a good job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think to speak to the kind of the cloud over his head now, what that does for his career long term in short term, I think it's so ambiguous in large part because the NFL doesn't even handle these things with a lot of, well, where am I looking for?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Consistency, there it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't end it with a lot of consistency or anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, that's, we'll see where he ends up going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I've gotten him as late as like one team in the best ball draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, that's, that's kind of what like the, it's the rain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I've been a, uh, reminder of Stevenson range.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm happy to take the risk there at that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, if I have two, um, stud running back, I'm happy to take him as my third in, in that range and just hope for the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty awful situation too, which is just like uniquely, you know, difficult on a lot of fronts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Samson was player that I was interested in before he got the bad draft run out with the double rookie running back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's compelling, I would definitely take some shots on him in basketball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know, like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much the the situation changes Dylan Samson's long term outlook, which is why I'm not like rushing to like now take him in the early second round in like a dinosaur dynasty rookie draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's probably good on running backs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, very good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you touched a little bit on receivers already talking about how you definitely prefer team act over Travis Hunter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Monaco head and get into the draft, see kind of where some of these rookies are going to fall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can certainly talk more about them as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did indicate in a tweet that we were going to do a basketball mania draft, but then convening lead off underdog drop the German Shepherd to and that, I mean, it dropped this after noon and we're already a sixty percent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to get one of these in just because it's fairly quickly and I want to try to max it if I go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the the details on it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As far as like the advancement rates in South
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, the money in the, and the maxes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a, it's a five dollar entry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a twenty max.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a hundred bucks to max it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, hundred k and prizes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the sweet spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like those ones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm a big fan of like if it's a hundred dollars or less to max those are kind of my favorite favorite tournaments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely partially bank roll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a volume drop here and you know, it gets it gets to be a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like to do like the three five dollar tournaments work like twenty twenty five entry max.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are kind of my favorite ones to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go ahead and pull up the board here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are in and let's see where.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're at the seventh pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how with the seventh pick is kind of tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, is there anybody in the room that I know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like sometimes all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Recognize the name is just from best ball Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one that I particularly recognize, but the seventh spot's not particularly my favorite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a clear top six, which yes, it goes to your mirror gives and then
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love Christian McCaffrey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a pretty big fade on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you normally do when I was seven?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I would hate the seven spot in like a home league, a redraft home league because I think it's much easier to click McCaffrey at seven in Vespal because
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[SPEAKER_00]: you just get the bull McAfrey case if it hits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it doesn't, then it's whatever, this team isn't the one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, it's just I like to either one of the top six falls, or I just click McAfrey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm like, all right, this is how I talk myself into the upside case for where he's like the top score.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was going, you know, half around too late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the first three were Chase Trappers in Barclay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wouldn't imagine it's going to be McAfrey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'm down to take neighbors or Pukas, well, I think those are, those are definitely the, the clear next two after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so be in place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My auto pick up one of seven is so there we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Neighbors, but.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, CD randomity web.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great one of seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, the volume is just going to be insane on him.
21:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm super high on this year.
21:09
[SPEAKER_00]: He probably be my, he's pretty much equal to Jefferson for me.
21:15
[SPEAKER_00]: His Jefferson's got the quarterback complication, which probably will be fine, but might not be amazing.
21:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think you have to like worry about anything with C lamb this year.
21:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's just going to get the ball, you know, hundred and seventy five targets or something.
21:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to just get the ball all the time.
21:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even with George Pickens there, I just don't mean that positive, I think, because it's going to help you off as move more.
21:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
21:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll definitely take some pressure off of a CD lamb, and I mean, they don't really have much running back.
21:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, deaf there and also, I mean, they are a strong candidate lead lead in passing attempts, which I believe they did two years ago, really were close to it.
22:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very least.
22:01
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about Bowers?
22:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I like powers.
22:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love powers.
22:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't taken him a lot.
22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm fine taking him here.
22:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Assuming that the two running backs are going to come off, uh, one, uh, then she already did.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Assuming Henry comes off, I, I usually just click powers here.
22:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You click powers.
22:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
22:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's interesting.
22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I like lab Maconkey a lot.
22:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I take Maconkey for sure, too.
22:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Maconkey's interesting.
22:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I have not taken much of him, but, um, he'd be a good, uh,
22:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, let's go ahead and take my cocky start out with two more series.
22:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's that's probably more interesting than just the the oh, it's the middle of the second round.
22:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just take rock ours.
22:42
[SPEAKER_01]: If we could get I've noticed that's training pride falls a lot to the early thirties if we can get him at thirty one.
22:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be a smash back.
22:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, absolutely no doubt.
22:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that the tricky thing that I see come up a lot is because of
22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: though the Bengals, and then the fact that the cardinals and the Bengals play in the championship week of a lot of these contests, that the turn usually snares Traimic Bride.
23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Usually gets scooped there at these next two picks.
23:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sometimes folks will go with more of an aerosomes in your hand.
23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Straight make bright just yeah, to really go ahead and get that week seven to just pass the T against, I think.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: He did.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He went to against twenty four in more of an aerosomes in a twenty five.
23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.
23:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so for sure if a treatment grad comes back, I'm not no hesitation, but I don't think he's going to come back.
23:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it happen.
23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be surprised if he goes, this guy won't take him unless he wants to go bully, bully tight end with top two.
23:49
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about quarterback?
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Josh Allen.
23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Lamar Jackson.
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I am perfectly comfortable taking a quarterback here if I don't love the run-out.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would consider Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, where do you think it?
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I prefer Josh Allen.
24:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I just think he has, he does so much on his own.
24:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then you don't have to really worry about like stacking.
24:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can stack like cheer or whatever.
24:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I don't think he's like a quarterback.
24:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You really stack.
24:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's unfortunate.
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have picked me right over both the quarterbacks.
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right.
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, yeah, I'm cool with Josh Allen here.
24:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
24:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that I think that's a cool.
24:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Just hey, you Josh Hellen's under team.
24:39
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very nice.
24:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Easy.
24:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, he's not a guy that you have to, yeah, force the stack, whether you should hear falls nicely with an ADP of seventy nine.
24:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So she's there and we need a receiver, probably go ahead and snag him.
24:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But honestly, what I like to do a lot of, if I don't get any either of them, I don't what I like to do is even take, um, dolly and king cave here from for us if he won twenty seven one thirty yet.
25:04
[SPEAKER_01]: But kind of in that range, if I have Josh Allen and I missed out on secure, I do prioritize dolly and king cave.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he can be in for a really good season.
25:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was heard a bit last year.
25:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still super talented.
25:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, there's an argument that he could be the number one target in Buffalo because they don't really have a white receiver.
25:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with that.
25:26
[SPEAKER_00]: What are I running back looking like right now?
25:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know we don't have one.
25:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Your James Cook.
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would be interesting.
25:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would like to view that.
25:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would probably be a pretty clear pack.
25:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it will.
25:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if he gets there, then I think that we go ahead and go James Cook.
25:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It does feel like he doesn't get there.
25:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We should probably lean towards like, I don't want to say zero RB, but that would be the receiver here then.
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping it, I was hoping it'd be worthy, but he went at thirty eight.
25:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's this guy.
26:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is the guy that would take him.
26:03
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't, I knew that was going to happen.
26:05
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what do we want to do here?
26:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Do we want to?
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really want to go to George's pickings and double up because we haven't used it.
26:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it really just Terry at the top right now?
26:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's Terry and Rice.
26:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd go ahead and pull up Coral and sat in here personally.
26:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought they I don't have like any of Coral and sat in this here.
26:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, but but I probably should frankly.
26:31
[SPEAKER_01]: If we didn't have Josh Allen and, you know, we would have the same run out otherwise.
26:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably would have pulled up George Pickin as a prioritized going back for Scott, just for a super gallous stack.
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's a team I said that could lead the league in, lead the league in receptions or lead the league in passing attempts.
26:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I've definitely done that in a couple drafts.
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So as we get, we're going to be in the,
26:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I like you, however, a lot.
26:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And Guy wanted to talk about with you today as Travis Hunter.
27:03
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be right there in that range of where he's going.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:07
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel about how do you feel about Travis Hunter?
27:09
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing with him this year?
27:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And what are your expectations?
27:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy that he's gotten cheaper.
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's very, I have no problem just like taking him in basketball for the chance that he's just like absolutely electric.
27:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the easiest format to take him in because you just use a fifth round pick on him and then you can just draft more boring wider seabers at other points and then if he's amazing, he beats the boring guys and if not, you just have the boring guys.
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, not to call court on sudden boring, but that's kind of like an interesting.
27:46
[SPEAKER_01]: He's boring, but he's going to deco.
27:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he's worth the price, but you're right.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is a bore and a bit.
27:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like Hunter works great with him because hunters.
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Super high upside, but also the who knows with the floor as I do think we should take Walker or Hubbard here if look at screw.
28:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be also when I's fifty three and then that well now I think
28:16
[SPEAKER_00]: We should start with trying to rotate the wire.
28:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I think Hunter's a great pick here for our team.
28:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to, to the dynamite, wider receiver for, see how the board falls, but I definitely think that we should look here running back, try to get one if the board falls.
28:33
[SPEAKER_00]: One hundred percent.
28:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I like, um, I like any of the three rookies, um, I don't think Cameras gonna come through probably, but I'm, um,
28:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little less high on him, Khmera.
28:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been hearing a lot of good arguments lately about him just like first fall like not being a very good running back anymore from like an exposed evidence standpoint.
28:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He obviously gets so much volume, but then being on the Saints this year is going to be weird.
29:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure how serious of a football team that is.
29:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm a little less interested in him, unless it's like an ADP value of some kind.
29:19
[SPEAKER_00]: The one guy who I would be interested in as if the rookies don't stand the board force here is Nixon.
29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were going to make something anyway.
29:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You're still boring.
29:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the boring guy.
29:34
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: He's on the end of Files.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: The Pemomit.
29:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he on the end of Files?
29:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe not.
29:39
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, it listen, it's July, right?
29:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he just went.
29:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't need to worry about that conundrum.
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine with Caleb Johnson here.
29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He's here.
29:49
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be there though.
29:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, we're really.
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:54
[SPEAKER_00]: To be honest,
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Chris a lot.
30:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we for sure is at this point in the hearts top at five receivers and see what we can come up with.
30:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think about it?
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
30:07
[SPEAKER_00]: This is we have just been like absolutely bamboozled into a into a zero RB here.
30:13
[SPEAKER_01]: but we had it.
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that satiris in and up on this team, even if he is there, because we just need to prioritize different positions.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got, I mean, I love our water receiver.
30:24
[SPEAKER_00]: We should take in K, for sure.
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: We should definitely take Ray Davis on this team, I think.
30:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's like a potential.
30:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we would have to not be.
30:37
[SPEAKER_00]: We're like seven rounds or something.
30:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, but, but I thought we would have to take Ray Davis and John King Cade for us at the one twenty seven one thirty eight.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's something that I do in the eleven and twelve round if I if I kind of missed on Shakira have Josh Allen, I'm perfectly happy to take both of those guys to to stack up there with Josh Allen.
30:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll keep that in mind once we get there.
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: We've made it, we've created a fearsome wider stever room here.
31:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very satisfied with that.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: This might be like a six wide receiver room where we end up just tacking on like, joff Palmer, just to correlate with Buffalo somewhere.
31:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, you can just kind of call them at a day if anything.
31:19
[SPEAKER_01]: You were talking a little bit about how, well, let's make this pick first and then we'll, I wanted to talk about sure you're on hand to send kind of in that group of three rookies that you liked.
31:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, when I've been like, six this round, but let's go ahead and lock in here.
31:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I won't go or Pollard.
31:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think either of those are good.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And now obviously I'm sure both of them will go because this has been out.
31:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But check our Pollard is totally fine for a. I would lean Pollard.
31:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty out on the check.
31:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so let's go ahead and get Pollard.
31:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And we bless talking about the Titans improving their offensive lines.
31:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So that works.
31:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we went there.
31:56
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
31:57
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32:17
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what, how should we go?
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a really solid guy to get for is your RB build to start.
32:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the, the bull case for Tony Pollard.
32:28
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I mean, he's, he's a good running back.
32:31
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
32:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they, they improve the offensive line.
32:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And although there's a lot of buzz about Tajaj Spears, he still only has one ACL.
32:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's not forget that.
32:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like, I'll just add this on.
32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't, I thought I spears is fine.
32:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm like interested in him, but also I am able to acknowledge, I'm kind of like lukewarm.
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I see both sides of the Tajaj Spears case.
32:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to prioritize that, uh, war in the ETN, uh, duo, uh, a little further down, uh, depending on how it shakes out.
33:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of those guys would be great for a team like this.
33:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think ETN is just going to start for the jags.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that that's like, I know everyone loves facial tootin.
33:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Tankpigsby has like something like eight career NFL catches.
33:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Or something is the number I keep seeing going around.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think not a past catcher.
33:25
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think ETN is going to start.
33:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're not there yet in terms of ADP.
33:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I would go, I do ETN personally over to you more and that's what that's.
33:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I could eat the end over Jordan Mason even as well.
33:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you're not sure about Mason to be honest.
33:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's like an interesting dynasty by right now because I think they're in jail might be out there in a year and they might have got him to be kind of a guy.
33:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think that's a good pick for us because obviously I don't really want to take Juddkins right now.
33:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And now now I'll tell you if Juddkins makes it to one-fourteen
34:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But my, if you haven't got a conversation.
34:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
34:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
34:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We need running back, so we know we're going to play and going to score points, at least sometimes.
34:17
[SPEAKER_00]: We think in our tight end room right now.
34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I am perfectly happy to tight end.
34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of start looking at tight end.
34:27
[SPEAKER_01]: If I don't get, if I don't go backwards or I don't get the discount, I'm trying to ride.
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of start looking around.
34:36
[SPEAKER_01]: TJ Halkinson, Evan and Grimm is my favorite tight end target.
34:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he ends up being the number two in Denver, but I don't know that he fits this team, because I don't want to go with the second, I don't want to go with mid or on quarter arc to go with Josh Allen.
34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we'd be better to use the capital elsewhere, and then I don't particularly want to Broncos if I don't have.
34:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But on last, unless it just worked out that way, like if the board falls that way, it's fine, but I think if we can avoid it, why would you, what do you think you think and
35:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we should wait.
35:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I obviously just want to take jail and if he survives somehow.
35:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there.
35:16
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy only is one running back so he might take him.
35:19
[SPEAKER_01]: But if he gets to us, I would take the discount on jail and more and I don't have.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Any of him.
35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's always good to diversify a little bit and simplify a rationally, really love jail and more.
35:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't understand.
35:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I like, you know, I like the little past catchers a lot.
35:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's one of those guys.
35:38
[SPEAKER_00]: We need it.
35:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's go.
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: He got all the way through.
35:42
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
35:44
[SPEAKER_00]: That feels written in the stars for me.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if I mean, we were contemplating him in ninety.
35:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the three feels like a smash.
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very happy that I got to contribute to a jail in war and pick on a stream that makes me happy, jail in war and stuff.
36:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So I like Caleb Johnson a ton too.
36:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't feel like that's necessarily a contradictory stance.
36:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Caleb Johnson as like obviously the running back of the future in Pittsburgh.
36:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Aaron Rogers will like Jalen Warren a lot because I think Jalen Warren just does things well and Aaron Rogers will want to prioritize him quite a bit.
36:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I like that you're putting teleworn on there.
36:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Teleworn is I'm growing in my confidence and teleworn.
36:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I am I think I am too.
36:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, especially seeing that, you know, he gets some some carries as well.
36:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Joaquin's one of five.
36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what that says?
36:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Joaquin's one of my final facts.
36:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
36:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you need me here?
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me try to.
36:54
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, it's good.
36:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I don't really need to see those numbers.
36:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that does help though.
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the, but the actually the names that I was making sure like what the, yeah.
37:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to go, I mean, I would go, uh, scape of you makes it to us, just kind of continue to stack on running backs.
37:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I had the, have no objection to that.
37:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, aggressively.
37:18
[SPEAKER_01]: We're at the point where, um, this is a value for me, especially on an angry room that I would take him to to kick off our tight end room.
37:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I would do either of this thing.
37:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
37:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go ahead and get a scatterbow.
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say over angry room, because it's actually if we're going to prioritize dollar and keep it.
37:33
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm pretty.
37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm running set.
37:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So scatterbows.
37:36
[SPEAKER_01]: your call.
37:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's capital we're skate about.
37:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I gotta make sure I'm saying my understanding and I would say I'm about ninety percent confident in it and it is Gata Boo actually.
37:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Gata Boo.
37:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very different because it's one.
37:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but I think it's Boo.
37:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
37:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So I know it's Gata.
38:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that part.
38:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I'm not totally the part where I'm confused on is the bow with a boot.
38:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's probably one of those things where he's he understands that it's confusing if it's boo with one out.
38:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm probably sure I'm sure he probably doesn't force the issue on that.
38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
38:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And since Ramondris Stevens, and just went on one-nineteen, let's finally circle back to Trigger and Anderson.
38:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
38:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He seemed to be at least from my perspective, and you correct me if I'm wrong, and then share your thoughts on him.
38:31
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like it seems to be a good pairing with Ramondris Stevens, because although Ramondris Stevens can catch the ball, he's definitely more of a runner than I think he has had a past catcher.
38:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas Henderson, he did a lot of the past catch and work.
38:47
[SPEAKER_01]: It was you released for my understanding.
38:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's a good fit for there.
38:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't love it for this season's production.
38:58
[SPEAKER_01]: But what do you think about it?
38:59
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think that's the right call.
39:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure it's going to be like I hit the ground running situation.
39:03
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just an awesome freaking player though.
39:06
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing I think he kind of, he's kind of like a diet, Jamir Gibbs, and on the way, like I don't think he's as good of a prospect as Jamir Gibbs, but I think he can have a very similar NFL impact where he's just like the home run hitter like at a really valuable efficiency clip.
39:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So right now, he's up.
39:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great passictor as well.
39:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's how it came back to us.
39:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one hundred percent.
39:35
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to tie it in.
39:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, um, um, we'll do that.
39:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And then see if Tinkade comes back around and just kind of settle.
39:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that could put, I'll see that's a great pair or those by week's different.
39:44
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be the only thing I would wonder.
39:45
[SPEAKER_01]: But they will.
39:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They are.
39:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
39:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
39:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
39:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose we bother for what we're doing here.
39:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Kincade Warren is a good set of do we even need to take Kincade next round is we would as we pick one thirty eight.
40:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he might fall, but yeah, I'm looking forward to even there or we can go.
40:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Ray Davis and out of fifth running back.
40:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Although, I mean, I like some running backs later that I would be perfectly happy to just double up on Titan and and be done and use those last couple shots on on a running back or check.
40:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's been a big Titan run here too.
40:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's two guys without a Titan.
40:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think.
40:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be my semester ride these next two picks.
40:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.
40:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, unless somebody maybe one of them has, we can, maybe we can take a peek as one of them, maybe have jail and hurts.
40:37
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Jim, it's on the other side of the board.
40:40
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll just have to see how it plays out here.
40:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Colson, Lovelin, Wayne, a couple of picks up for us.
40:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Another rookie tight end.
40:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Where is he at in your ranks if you've even gotten to your tight ends yet?
40:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Or I'm sure you really have some thoughts if you haven't ranked them just yet.
40:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he and Warren are pretty obviously four and five.
41:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And King Cage is one on one thirty one.
41:01
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a tough.
41:02
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a couple of run-out, but yeah, another three days is there.
41:05
[SPEAKER_01]: We just take a great day of us.
41:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
41:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I would be interested in God or as well.
41:15
[SPEAKER_01]: A week prior for sure.
41:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also maybe like a veteran to offset some of the war and work in if there's a like a ramp up for him as a rookie, but.
41:26
[SPEAKER_00]: but I would obviously prefer rate Avis.
41:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Lovelin and Warren, I think, are pretty obviously four and five and dynasty.
41:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd take them sort of anywhere, depending on your tight end need, anywhere after like pick five in a normal thing.
41:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously tight end premium.
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's take rate Avis.
41:43
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
41:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Love that.
41:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Taking Manage of Cook's absence.
41:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We love that.
41:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We love that little note.
41:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, underdog.
41:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in the one game Cook missed, I mean, rate Avis had
41:52
[SPEAKER_01]: when he lost Harry's rubber laundry yards like he did the dude smash.
41:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So I also had like a he had like a
41:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a massive garbage time game one time, like they beat a team by like fifty points last year, and he had like two massive long touchdowns in like the fourth quarter.
42:08
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great, he's a great, um, best ball guy.
42:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's a really, I think a really valuable handcuff, especially because I don't, I just think the James Cook vibes are not good.
42:18
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not great.
42:19
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not great.
42:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And I am, uh, I'm a James Cook, uh, manager in Dynastee, uh, on a Dynastee team that I'm really kind of looking to compete this year.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the
42:29
[SPEAKER_01]: For horsemen, I have a running back because we start to flux.
42:33
[SPEAKER_00]: When like James Cook guy, I had him in dynasty until I traded him for the tenth peak where I took Caleb Johnson this year.
42:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I can understand.
42:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I can understand one and get out of maybe way you perceive to be a situation going downhill.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: My scenes I were competing this year, I don't think particularly seriously.
42:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was kind of a bit for me.
42:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I just like, he's not getting contract extension, I don't think.
42:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Or if he does, it's not going to be kind of like a premium one that they take care of, but he could.
43:01
[SPEAKER_00]: If he gets a contract extension, I'm a huge.
43:05
[SPEAKER_00]: huge fan, but the vibes of the item in to be taken seriously, a contract situation with him that they're kind of just like, we gotta pay other guys.
43:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be interesting to see what happens there.
43:21
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
43:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So it looks like we'll have, I kind of cut up a couple options.
43:26
[SPEAKER_01]: As I lately, as we need another tight-end, Josh Palmer would stack nicely with Josh Allen as our widest to the sixth.
43:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I, I like Grendo.
43:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fading CMC.
43:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, I'm in on Grendo here.
43:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I would do Grendo.
43:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I worry about likely in Warren as a combo that doesn't make it ton of sense just because
43:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because you're kind of like betting on both of those guys.
43:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it rather have our TNB.
43:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And I probably should have looked who is still available.
43:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's right.
43:55
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got, let's see here.
43:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Brennan trains available on your anory.
43:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not great.
44:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not great.
44:04
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of, I mean, this is definitely an endoping of three tight envelopes.
44:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we're just fine.
44:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to do a boring veteran titan and like a high-up side, like a rookie at the end as well.
44:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can definitely get in on that.
44:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you Josh Palmer is available in seven picks though.
44:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's probably the pick here.
44:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Give us our sixth wide receiver.
44:29
[SPEAKER_01]: As we went happy, just are we kind of ignored it.
44:31
[SPEAKER_00]: A boring veteran tight end.
44:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been warming them lately is a Chica Conquo just from the fact that like, camords probably going to be like,
44:42
[SPEAKER_00]: reasonably competent and there's just like not a lot there.
44:45
[SPEAKER_01]: More Titans talk, I love it.
44:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know so much Titans, but yeah, Cheg feels like a kind of a safe compliment, I guess, to maybe save compliments and how you win basketball.
45:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
45:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could definitely agree and trigger Concwell.
45:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want them to surround, obviously.
45:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, I think we go to a job spot.
45:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, that was a, that was a very solid, wide receiver room.
45:13
[SPEAKER_00]: We assembled them.
45:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very content with that group.
45:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm content if we just stop at six.
45:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we can go with the seventh one.
45:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll see how it goes.
45:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm very contentious.
45:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really care enough to think about it until maybe towards the last couple rounds.
45:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we just want like a dart throw.
45:31
[SPEAKER_01]: We should probably start thinking about our quarterback too.
45:34
[SPEAKER_00]: He's well, he's on.
45:36
[SPEAKER_00]: What did I just say about Chicago?
45:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Could we could we pull off a cam board, Chicago?
45:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, uh, like one, two here as a, as are to like really bring him.
45:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is he gone?
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, he's gone.
45:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Inward wins.
45:50
[SPEAKER_01]: He went so high.
45:51
[SPEAKER_01]: He reads a surrender.
45:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Two in price.
45:53
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
45:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is, that's really interesting.
45:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen them go quite that high yet.
45:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really shocked, because I mean, look, we all knew that Cam War was going to read the start of our records items from day one.
46:06
[SPEAKER_01]: But now that Cam is warming up, people will see that little note that he's, you know, taking reps with the, with the starters, with the ones as expected.
46:13
[SPEAKER_01]: People see the note, they get excited.
46:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to pull them up the board a bit.
46:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you hear me out here.
46:20
[SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite things to do, if I go with the leaked quarterback, and I have the scenes past catchers, just to completely punt and go Tyler shock in the seventeenth rating crowd.
46:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, that's fine.
46:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know that we even have any, there's not even any reals we have that we can stack with unless we want to go with a coal.
46:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you have crypto lava, so actually that might be the right way to approach this for us.
46:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bring it out because I don't want to bring it.
46:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's that's all.
46:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And that will put us at seven.
46:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a really good seven for zero RB running backward, if you want.
46:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel that about all our Travis, UTN, Jail and Warren, all three of those could be the starters.
46:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Scataboo could be a starter.
47:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Ray Davis has that I can say, yeah, so it is going to run down and re-go battles on a run heavy team.
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's a good seven for waiting until, seventy nine to take our first running back.
47:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Nah, not by not by choice.
47:17
[SPEAKER_00]: We just go every running back we wanted just went in like the mid rounds after we took Allen it was like every running back that we had a chance to take was just gone the pick before and then I was like, oh yeah, that's right.
47:28
[SPEAKER_01]: We got what I would I would love to take one or two running back before our first one, but yeah, sometimes the I mean you just got to be flexible and basketball and you just got to play the board and it's so important not to force it.
47:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because I mean, we could have forged a running back, right?
47:41
[SPEAKER_01]: We could have reached four like now in Camara at fifty five or RJ Harvey.
47:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone that I don't know that I believe in.
47:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I like that we kind of just solidified our wide receiver room.
47:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then I like like I said, I like the running backs we got late.
47:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you kind of talked to me to Jayle and Warren a little bit, but I like I like the running backs we ended up with.
48:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you think it would definitely prioritize tight end here?
48:07
[SPEAKER_01]: See what we have.
48:08
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about you a conical over here?
48:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
48:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, this is about where he goes.
48:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
48:14
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
48:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, gross.
48:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I we could just pull up to one Johnson if we have something so on Johnson.
48:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's take to on to just pull them up.
48:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because we're going to take shop here.
48:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully.
48:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I say we proud.
48:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's see.
48:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe just take shock here.
48:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's right.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the same with the setting.
48:43
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens.
48:44
[SPEAKER_01]: He's there.
48:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He's an option.
48:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, so new me out on this one.
48:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not.
48:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we have Josh Allen, so it doesn't really matter.
48:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
48:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that important.
48:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I was thinking like, if Sam, like, if they don't take like Rodgers and Arnold, and like, yeah, that would have been nice.
49:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Darnal just went at one eighty nine.
49:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just take duck and then our last pit will be like upside tight end guy, whoever is left.
49:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:12
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I like where you're going though.
49:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so I've light the stack.
49:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to make sure I have a stack with my quarterback, but I got a certain point.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: A quarterback on stack is just worth it.
49:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And if Sam Darnon would have been there for us in the seventeenth round.
49:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you take that, because then honestly, we could have just taken MVS to stack on.
49:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say we'll see.
49:33
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be taking a royal, a royal, a little bit of imperfect with that.
49:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a royal would have been great.
49:38
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's going up at one ninety eight now.
49:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, he might not have ever since they released fan.
49:44
[SPEAKER_01]: He's something, see somebody else I wanted to talk to you about because of the release of Noah fan.
49:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you like, how do you prioritize him now?
49:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I knew that this was a deep, I didn't class as well.
49:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was starting to keep him everywhere in case he's awesome.
50:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like my philosophy with it.
50:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like taking him with like, he's, he's still super free.
50:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's take shock.
50:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it just works out well for us.
50:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, little super free.
50:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I would just like, you know, he's going to go like probably seventeen eighteen turn here.
50:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he just is awesome.
50:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I'm not sure how like it's going to translate or how much he can be on the field or if he's going to get injured, which he did a lot in college, like he's just like a crazy athlete.
50:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And they might, there's like an easy upside case where he's like an X receiver as well as a tight end.
50:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just like he, they just figure out that he's a really competent, you know, past catcher on a level of guys they don't have.
50:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And like the after their first two-wide receiver.
50:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't.
50:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he's awesome.
50:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you might have written in this little report here.
51:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw somewhere that it might not have been this specific report on the underdog, but apparently a couple of folks within the sea optimization think that he could take over some of the production that the former X receiver.
51:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they met CAF had him.
51:18
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of talk for our tight end.
51:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially for rookie.
51:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So I agree with you, especially now that the path is really clear.
51:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think if he's here, I'd be happy to take him, even though there's two rookies, again, it's a good light.
51:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good tidings class, so.
51:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you need a...
51:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would pick him or like Ferguson or Theo Johnson, maybe.
51:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Theo Johnson might be, I'd be good with Theo Johnson, if it were right, if it were right, if it were right, oh, like just get through.
51:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe home or Theo is one of my favorite lay runs, high end targets.
51:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a path for him to be the second target or I'm giants.
51:58
[SPEAKER_01]: If they stopped throwing a ball to Juan de Robbins in a hundred and forty times who do anything after he catches her.
52:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So I really like taking late shots on Theo Johnson.
52:08
[SPEAKER_01]: As you see, I've kind of keyed up a couple of guys.
52:10
[SPEAKER_01]: No gray.
52:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I think super interesting this year.
52:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we go away.
52:13
[SPEAKER_00]: This awesome Roy on the eight and the last round is crazy.
52:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love it.
52:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, especially considering like I said, I mean, on paper, he's probably the starter, unless you're going to have some faith and was an AJ Barner.
52:24
[SPEAKER_00]: AJ Barners pre-solid, but I think it's like similar to what they do.
52:29
[SPEAKER_00]: AJ Barner will do more of the actual tight-end work.
52:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And the lasher will be the one that's catching more passes.
52:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
52:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's kind of run through this team here.
52:39
[SPEAKER_01]: We did a little bit of a little bit of a unique build here, and that we went with more running backs than receivers, which I love.
52:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have a two, seven, six, three, where our quarterbacks are Josh Allen and Tyler Schuck.
52:52
[SPEAKER_01]: The running backs we
52:54
[SPEAKER_01]: not to not voluntarily, but we ended up waiting, taking our first running back with Tony Pollard of seventy-nine, followed up by GTN, J. Lam Warren, Rookie Kim, Scataboo, Ray Davis, Isaac Correndo, and Rico Dowdler, the close that out.
53:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We went, this why receiver room is, I think, is a electric.
53:15
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got three guys that are going to be target hogs in CD lamb, Latin Maconkey, and although boring, very productive courtroom sight.
53:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually with the best quarterback he's played with in his career.
53:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Upside shot in Travis Hunter, a guy that I think is a relatively safe pick in Chris Gonewin, despite a lot of the question about the quarterback.
53:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna use a straight up target earner.
53:39
[SPEAKER_01]: If he didn't have concussion issues, even with the quarterback situation and the same offense as it is, I think he'd be going in like the fourth round.
53:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'll share it.
53:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great value, but obviously like especially is like your wide receiver five.
53:53
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great.
53:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I love it.
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And there it is.
53:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So then we waited about a hundred picks and tacked on Josh Palmer just to kind of stack with Josh Allen to round out our six wide receivers and then.
54:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Titan room is I think there's a lot of upside.
54:09
[SPEAKER_01]: The floor is I think really low.
54:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:13
[SPEAKER_01]: With either orange, Juan Johnson and Elijah Royale to rookies.
54:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really low floor, but I think the ceiling here is is pretty pretty incredible if you ask me.
54:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
54:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that we went ahead and took some rookies, especially having you on our talking about rookies and I don't think we forced them.
54:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they kind of fell to us in a good spot, especially Tyler Warren.
54:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think is an excellent pick about nine or ten spots past his ADP.
54:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, the floor is pretty low, but I think the ceiling there is this really, really.
54:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I like what we did taking the Saints, and then we still in the sixteenth and seventeen, and then we still got Arroyo, twelve picks after ADP, which is the exact kind of late round type guy.
55:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to take a special night tight-end room that, like you said, Blacks floor, and I just have been watching Elijah Arroyo camp hype for the last couple of days, so I'm excited about him.
55:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you're a Seahawks fan, so you're definitely, you're definitely.
55:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me, that's tell me, as Seahawks work, he's talked to me a little bit about Damien Martinez.
55:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's a guy, I feel like he got some high pre-draft as somebody that could be a, yep.
55:30
[SPEAKER_01]: bit of a sleeper.
55:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think the bottom kind of fell out.
55:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And what was he?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sixth round pick?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Seven.
55:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Seven to Seattle kind of Barry behind Ken Walker in Zack Sharbanay.
55:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I've I've thought about mixing him in as a last round pick if I have a Saints bill or or even a Panthers build.
55:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I want that week, seventeen correlation.
55:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It talks to me a little bit about about Tammy and Martinez if you if you've got it.
55:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't know if I would take him in Bestball, only because Kay McTosh is also on the team.
56:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And it has been a special team's guy for them.
56:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And Martina's is not really a special team's guy, which is why I think he went in the seventh round from what I understand that once he
56:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Once he, well he wasn't a college special team to guy obviously he might have to become one, but I think part of why he went in the seventh round is once it was clear that he wasn't gonna get draft capital for a guy who's like a day one runner.
56:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He, his usefulness to the roster was only as kind of like an upside-stash.
56:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think super interesting dynasty case for him.
56:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Kenneth Walker is a free agent after this year's ex-harbinase of free agent after next year.
56:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, right.
56:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the sea ox are going to sign Kenneth Walker to a contract extension based on vibes possible they do, but I think it's like unlikely, just based on he's been really incredible, but he's not.
57:06
[SPEAKER_00]: ever healthy for a long period of time.
57:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, he is kind of a free style as a runner, more than what I've heard about the Kubiak scheme would prefer.
57:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like Xacharbonese, more of a scheme fit, although he's not nearly the explosive talent that Walker is.
57:34
[SPEAKER_00]: All that is to say that with Martinez, that those two could both clear out pretty easily.
57:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a chance that he gets worked in sort of progressively and could potentially compete with Sharp and A in twenty six, if they don't do anything significant.
57:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So I like him as a dynasty stash.
57:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I would take him in basketball though, I'm not sure he is much on the field.
57:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I use a couple injuries at least, right?
58:00
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple injuries to
58:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a couple of injuries are likely, like, you know, Kenneth Walker misses for just six games a year, basically.
58:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, Sharbine was very good, um, without Kenneth Walker last year.
58:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and he was very exclusive.
58:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Now obviously, McIntosh was kind of the only guy that they had.
58:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But when Walker was out, they, they just fed Sharbine.
58:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And so,
58:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't love Marti.
58:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Marti as a prospect like you said at the beginning where he had some, he had some pre-draft hype at the bottom fell out with the stock.
58:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Going in the seventh.
58:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, I just, I don't see a ton of runway to anything in twenty five for him.
58:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that probably makes sense.
58:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Although, as you said, Ken Walker, often injured Zack's Urban A, they feed him when it's when Ken Walker's out.
58:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's proven that he can smash.
59:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a lot of Zack's Urban A and Best Ball for that reason.
59:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And I agree with you on the kind of vibes base take that ten Walker won't be there beyond this season.
59:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And I say that because obviously, you know, it's a new coaching
59:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he new coaching staff?
59:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And although it was seven throwing picks, they did take Martinez.
59:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked him enough to spend a pick on him, right?
59:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel like whenever a new coaching staff comes in, obviously, that it was like to kind of get the row of guys involved.
59:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, Damian Martinez is a seven throwing pick.
59:31
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a chance they take a second throw running back and Martinez is cut.
59:34
[SPEAKER_01]: We never hear about him again, right?
59:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
59:36
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the overarching point is that
59:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Ken Walker's probably not, like you said, not going to be there because they, they probably want to get the room guys.
59:44
[SPEAKER_01]: They see he's often hurt.
59:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I think his efficiency is dipped a little bit every year since his rookie season as well.
59:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like the call there as far as Martinez being a dying disease to actually really like.
59:57
[SPEAKER_00]: They also have guys to extend as well, like they have a lot of like second and third-year players right now.
1:00:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Walker being the fourth-year guy, but like they have to pay them with their spoon and they have to maybe pay boy, I'm off a and they have to maybe pay Jackson's Benton, Jigba, and definitely pay Jackson.
1:00:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I'm just kind of thinking it was offshore.
1:00:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And they just, these are paves hand-darnal too.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir.
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they, and I think they haven't enough.
1:00:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It's now money eventually runs out right.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have a lot of cash face right now.
1:00:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to probably prioritize.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_00]: extensions for some of their really solid guys soon.
1:00:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't know how paying a running back who is very good, but it's very complicated, um, vault into their, um, into their plans.
1:00:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it works.
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would imagine he is going to be somewhere else next year.
1:00:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not for him like being a
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_00]: having a bad attitude or not being good at football.
1:01:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I think he's injured often enough that they likely will not spend one of the numbered amount of extensions they can give out of the next year to on him.
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:01:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:01:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So outside of a DME and Martinez, and we can look at any position here, quarterback, running back receiver, tight end, outside of DME and Martinez, who is kind of like your favorite, uh, super deep, um, stash guy.
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we can do one for running back and receive a quarterback.
1:01:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we are running back came in mind very easily for Shard Smith, um, front of the chiefs.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_00]: She's running that group is very tumultuous at the moment.
1:01:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Checko is a free agent and a year who knows if Pacheco will probably look better than he looked at the end of last year.
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I would hope for Pacheco's sake because he just looked awful when he came back from that injury.
1:02:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And so and cream hunt is just the least sexy running back in the league from like, why do you have cream hunt?
1:02:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that doesn't do anything for me having cream hunt and he's just a guy that can like do the job and function properly.
1:02:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's just not a lot there.
1:02:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I think Elijah Mitchell now, which could kind of force me to bring up his near resumption it.
1:02:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not nothing.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like high in money right now.
1:02:34
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just not nothing for for running back when you have that that's.
1:02:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we need to use them, but I like to call him for shardsmith as well.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a lot of talking camp already that he's going to have a role.
1:02:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He reminds like what I've heard about his game and kind of seeing a little bit of it and how it would fit for Kansas City is kind of Jerk McKinnon-ish where he has the potential because he's a converted receiver to kind of have the Jerk McKinnon spikey role where he's just get on the field constantly because the what the chiefs want to do is do the throw the writing that thing and that's kind of
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_00]: the upside for me with him.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to take him a little while though, but, but I just think that unless you're one of those people, that things, a Czecho is just really good.
1:03:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see what's standing in the way of a talented past catcher in Kansas City right now.
1:03:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm not one of those guys that thinks, but check out is it is a world bigger.
1:03:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's good instantly, but just brutal for him.
1:03:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I just like think it's going to take him.
1:03:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to it's going to take him quite a bit of time to.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
1:03:58
[SPEAKER_00]: He's him being a free agent and then looking bad when he came off that injury is just a bad mix.
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's gonna open up for somebody like Smith, although I imagine they will keep taking future shots on people in that offense.
1:04:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, hey, just a couple of years ago I was able to check out was one of those days.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, three years later, and yeah, I mean, he had a couple of what?
1:04:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Top twenty four fantasy seasons for you.
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, yeah.
1:04:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, and so what about receivers or anybody deep deep in the bag there that you think is worth the time you see that's not even not so much for Bestball or even twenty any five reduction, but I have won.
1:04:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, well, first of all, I want to give you, we're talking about CX and give Tori Horton a shout out.
1:04:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
1:04:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I was watching Clam Donald's presser earlier today and he said Tori Horton's really fast.
1:04:51
[SPEAKER_00]: The C-Ox need really fast wide receivers, because they do not have many really fast wide receivers.
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It's MVS, but you have to be able to catch them all, and that's something MVS has proven in struggles with.
1:05:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So I definitely think that there's a role for Tory Orgen, especially because he's a different type of receiver than JSN and Cooper Cappaswell.
1:05:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like to hear her in a lot.
1:05:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's kind of still kind of working his way back from injury, but I think he's definitely got a lot of upside in that sea ox room, which is kind of wide open.
1:05:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I think my real answer to this question, which is another wide open, wide receiver room.
1:05:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wouldn't have said this until like a month or two ago, I would not have said this around the draft, but Dante Thornton in Las Vegas.
1:05:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
1:05:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Only just because I know like in the early early early training camp stuff, he's been working with the ones along with back, but he's been or Bash.
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Bash.
1:05:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:05:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He and Bash are kind of the two and three right now with Jacoby as the one.
1:06:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But and obviously like
1:06:05
[SPEAKER_00]: one because, you know, the one is Brock Bowers.
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And the two might be Ash and Gentie from a past sketching perspective as well.
1:06:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it might be.
1:06:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:06:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But Thornton is kind of a super athletic type guy in kind of a mold of like a less insane D. K. McCaff, like he's, he's just a very, very dynamic athlete who
1:06:34
[SPEAKER_00]: could be good at wide receiver like he's just like a really is a really freaky athlete and it's just the buzz on that out of Raiders.
1:06:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Camp has been better than the buzz on Bash and Thornton is a guy that is kind of
1:06:51
[SPEAKER_00]: mostly an afterthought like in best ball he'll go sometimes he won't go other times he's definitely a late-round thought uh... that people take shots on best ball but i don't know i that the vibe you know pecoral does weird things have a lot of experience of pecoral uh... see how it's peril
1:07:08
[SPEAKER_00]: those things where he has a guy, and if you like a guy, the guy will weigh out perform conventional, a sprig eye out.
1:07:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, no one in the world would have Jamal Adams on their team right now, but he'd just sign Jamal Adams like two years ago, because did the raiders sign Jamal?
1:07:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:07:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jamal Adams is on the raiders now, because Pete Carroll is the coach of the raiders.
1:07:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he was, yeah, for a brief minute.
1:07:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, and, you know, Pete told me to, but that no, it was, well, the fans didn't like him here, but, but Pete obviously liked him.
1:07:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And Pete just likes guys and guys follow Pete because Pete likes them and gives them up.
1:07:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And guys like Pete, Pete is, I think Pete Carroll is, and he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a player of coaching.
1:07:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Pete Carroll's like responsible for like my one-involving championships that I've experienced the sports hand.
1:08:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm forever in Pete Carroll's debt.
1:08:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, and I think if the buzz on Dante Thornton is good, and Pete Carroll clearly seems to like Dante Thornton, then I think Dante Thornton, even if the
1:08:15
[SPEAKER_00]: traditional production profile X draft capital doesn't really say this guy is somebody used draft, but you should just kind of like draft guys that Pete Carol likes and wants to give the ball to his best guess.
1:08:29
[SPEAKER_00]: not long for the Dynasty value world.
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's not a guy that, you know, he's there.
1:08:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the incumbent.
1:08:38
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good player.
1:08:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get a lot of work because there's nobody else there besides Bauer's and Gentie.
1:08:45
[SPEAKER_00]: No other real wide receiver to compete with him unless you're a great Tucker guy.
1:08:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but hey, let's get talker here.
1:08:53
[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, you know, he popped a little bit, but I mean, yeah, he's not I mean, they they drafted two receivers for a reason.
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Jacobi Myers is I like him.
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's like he's that he's a good football player.
1:09:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope definitely we finish a relevant this year.
1:09:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably it's done more in the wide receiver three years range.
1:09:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember exactly where I put him.
1:09:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But some are probably in the virus here for three, four range for two to three miles.
1:09:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you some weeks, but I think we talked about it before like with Coral and Sonny.
1:09:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just one of those boring picks.
1:09:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you need that boring pick because you can't it'll it'll just to kind of help solidify and keep you afloat during the weeks where some of your flashy players have a down league.
1:09:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so important to have that type of player on your research.
1:09:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I would take Myers as an ADP follower in like most most situations not a guy that obviously you want to like reach for because it's like what are you really taking but but yeah like he's a super safe guy but but given all of that.
1:09:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of Bash or Thornton is going to matter both in some time in twenty-five but also long term just because there's not enough
1:10:05
[SPEAKER_00]: To Kobe Myers is not the kind of player that is Super long-term relevant, like he's in the situation he's in.
1:10:16
[SPEAKER_00]: But one of those two guys I think will really matter over the next three years at one point.
1:10:23
[SPEAKER_00]: One point and Thornton is just so much cheaper than best still.
1:10:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so when picking you, at least considering cost, you would go with Thornyn over Bash.
1:10:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would take Besh versus Thornton for Best Ball slash just to win twenty five is kind of closer, I think, then it's pretty close.
1:10:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I think I would still take Besh in dynasty just because he was a sucker on pick.
1:10:52
[SPEAKER_00]: That has pretty good.
1:10:56
[SPEAKER_00]: profile skill set, type stuff that could lead him to at least being productive pretty quickly, but Thornton from a cost perspective.
1:11:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm super.
1:11:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like Bash is clearly behind like Jaden Higgins now, like if he wasn't before, try Harris, like those kind of guys.
1:11:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Thornton goes in a range where you could just
1:11:23
[SPEAKER_00]: pretty comfortably take a shot and there's actually some like very concrete upside and could be immediate upside too because again there's powers is going to get a lot of catches and like an insane amount of volume like a tight end highest probably for tight ends and so that is going to make the receiver position inherently less valuable but there's just so little there
1:11:49
[SPEAKER_00]: from a receiving perspective that there's going to be something.
1:11:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And what Thornton costs in a dynasty like he could, he could be getting four to five targets right away.
1:12:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And that could be pretty immediately influential.
1:12:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It would easily vault him
1:12:12
[SPEAKER_00]: above kind of like a speculative dynasty rookie draft pick into kind of a really legitimate conversation.
1:12:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So it sounds like if you haven't done your rookie drafts here, which I'd imagine a lot of folks probably have a short footage of a lie.
1:12:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Take a stab on Dante Thorin, take a stab on for short Smith.
1:12:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, if you're in a deep five, six round draft, go ahead and take a stab at teaming Martinez as well.
1:12:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'll take the Z-Ox.
1:12:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the C-Ox rookies to see all of them have upside maybe I'm just biased.
1:12:44
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I, hey, I think the Seahawks could definitely, I mean, it's really all going to end on Sam Darnell, right?
1:12:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first portion of his career, the scene ghost is the kind of the theme for him, kind of took a back seat.
1:12:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in San Francisco, he was in.
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, took a back seat there, went to Minnesota, revived his career.
1:13:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we've seen it with Baker Mayfield.
1:13:09
[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen it with Gino Smith.
1:13:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, now we've seen it with Sam Darnall.
1:13:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe this is just who he is and who he was always supposed to be if he wasn't drafted by a dysfunctional justice artist.
1:13:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
1:13:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of it is
1:13:22
[SPEAKER_01]: for these workies no matter how good you are, a lot of it is so situational based.
1:13:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe now, you know, last year was a situation that Sam Donald needed to find himself in the grow and get the confidence in the thrive.
1:13:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, of course, he's in a different situation now.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_01]: But now that he has that confidence now.
1:13:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So it certainly could look a lot better than I think people are even expecting for Seattle with Sam Darnl.
1:13:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So no, it's always good to be a little Homer's as well, but but I think that that's I think that that's pretty spot on, especially considering the cost of of the rookies of an in scandal, at least they're all pretty dirt cheap, right?
1:13:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes.
1:13:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So you miles will take your shots and what could be, and what could it be a really good office nice couple seasons if things pan out?
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think any of the three of them go about, like, the fourth round.
1:14:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe a Roya, and a premium would go in, like, the mid-third hers earlier.
1:14:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I, like, Horton's, Horton's a late round.
1:14:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Martinez is probably undrafted, and I would guess, just because he's seventh round pick.
1:14:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but yeah, and I think a Roya was probably the only one with, like, for sure cost.
1:14:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's probably drafted at least.
1:14:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably like the Titans five six rookies because Mason Taylor would definitely go in front of him.
1:14:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's kind of a toss up with like Ferguson from the Rams who people like more than a royal I think because the Rams are like we like him.
1:14:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's probably more valuable than the C. Oxen and I like Arroyo just because of what their ramps offense does.
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to room stinks.
1:15:06
[SPEAKER_00]: From fancy, they're good tidens, like Colby Parkinson's of good tidens.
1:15:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, it's usually in a foul like there.
1:15:13
[SPEAKER_01]: They are good football players.
1:15:15
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
1:15:15
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not the end of that.
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's good.
1:15:19
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, no, I get what you're saying.
1:15:22
[SPEAKER_01]: We've definitely gone a little more than an hour now.
1:15:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So Patrick, unless there's anything else you wanted to any last work, he's you wanted to give a quick shout out to.
1:15:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're probably going to wrap up.
1:15:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me think of one rookie to give a shout out to while I'm on this prompt.
1:15:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Aronde Gadsen.
1:15:39
[SPEAKER_00]: That guy's name is awesome.
1:15:41
[SPEAKER_00]: He's also, like, he's like a junior of a second.
1:15:46
[SPEAKER_00]: His dad was an NFL player too.
1:15:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Also named Aronde Gadsen.
1:15:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Great hype out of Chargers Camp.
1:15:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, even though the Altman Royale range at Ted End.
1:15:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Just competing against a journeyman Tyler Conquins and not a lot of competition has has NFL player in his genes.
1:16:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so like the Marquis to I watched a couple of Syracuse games last year with McCord who was like really exciting and he and Gatsin would like pop off the screen on heat when he got the ball.
1:16:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He's interesting.
1:16:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why he I think he was undrafted.
1:16:18
[SPEAKER_00]: or a seventh round pick or something.
1:16:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why he didn't go earlier because he was like a guy's and I guess he just doesn't have like competent tight-end size maybe is what it was but but yeah oh that guy that guy might be awesome he might be totally nothing
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but the hype on him is, is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He went like, I, in our, in our draft, we did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He went like four picks after we took a royal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He went like the one and the other guys later on picks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, he's, he's, he's, yeah, he's exciting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I sneak him in some of my chargers build if I've got led to like mid around tight ends, we're going to lead tight end and I just want to like a deep shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm going to get started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was why I just seemed to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Traveller, Quentin Johnson, it might be Gatston.
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