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#2527 - Mr. Beast · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan Podcast. Check it out The Joe Rogan Experience,
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  Speaker 1: It must be very easy to get people to do
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  Speaker 1: your show.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, seeing how we give away millions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars, it's yeah, usually people are very excited about it.
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  Speaker 2: The actual The only hard part for us is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if it's a longer one, just the time off work.
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  Speaker 2: So because sometimes when we shoot like beast games or stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it can go for a month.
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  Speaker 3: But besides the work stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, does it other people that haven't been able
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  Speaker 1: to do the show because they couldn't get a month
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  Speaker 1: off work?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tons of course. So we always have like
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  Speaker 2: even like the day before. You know, sometimes people get
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  Speaker 2: cold feet. So if we're doing something with one hundred people,
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  Speaker 2: we'll usually have ten backups just because you know, I.
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  Speaker 1: Would imagine that the type of person that would do
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  Speaker 1: your show would have a job that they could quit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, uh yeah, I mean I guess it depends, right,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's the YouTube channel where we're you know, doing
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  Speaker 2: you know, a hundred families compete for two hundred fifty
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars, or it's Beest Games where they're competing for
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  Speaker 2: five million. The five million people are way more excited
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  Speaker 2: for some of the you know the YouTube videos. It's
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  Speaker 2: not as like grand Yolster like, huh, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I want to lose my job for a one
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  Speaker 2: percent chance of winning two undred fifty k.
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  Speaker 1: So, well, how many people when you do Beast Games?
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  Speaker 1: How many people are competing?
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  Speaker 2: So the newest season we just shot, we grabbed one
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  Speaker 2: person from every country on Earth, so it's around two
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, which I was actually pretty cool because you
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  Speaker 2: would put them in these like crazy games and you'd
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  Speaker 2: see how someone from like the Agient you know, Pacific
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  Speaker 2: countries would react versus like someone in South America, and
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  Speaker 2: they play and think so differently because they have such
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  Speaker 2: different upbringings.
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  Speaker 1: So that's really cool. Did you have to I mean
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  Speaker 1: you must have had to thoroughly vet these people, right,
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  Speaker 1: make sure they're not insane? Sure?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a serial killer? We do the psych and background
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  Speaker 2: checks of course.
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  Speaker 1: No, how do you get that information if you're going
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you have how many countries are there?
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  Speaker 1: First of all? So one hundred and ninety.
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  Speaker 2: We went off of whatever the Olympics do, so it's
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  Speaker 2: like one hundred something around two hundred, Yeah, a.
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  Speaker 1: Couple so some of them have to have some shitty infrastructure.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I think one of them has literally
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  Speaker 2: forty thousand people living in it. Like it was, uh
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  Speaker 2: what is it? Not the uh something Sea Islands, not
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  Speaker 2: the Cayman Islands, but some island country And yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, wow, like my town, which has one hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand people, is two and a half times the population
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  Speaker 2: in your country. Well, I was joking with the contestant
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  Speaker 2: because I was like, if you win the five million dollars,
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  Speaker 2: you could technically give a two hundred dollars dividend to
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  Speaker 2: every single person in your country. Is Like, it's that crazy,
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  Speaker 2: it's that little people living there.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's the kind of country. Like I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if you could buy that country.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the GDP is probably you know, a couple
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  Speaker 2: of hundred million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: If I were like someone like Elon or something like that, could.
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  Speaker 2: There's probably thousands of people in America that could. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I feel bad people from that country listening. So we
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  Speaker 2: didn't say the country Okay, we're good, We're good. We
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  Speaker 2: didn't say it exactly. It's all yours.
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  Speaker 1: They should know what they are. They were they're a
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  Speaker 1: country of forty thousand people. That's just what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that, but it's uh, it is weird
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  Speaker 1: how many countries there are, and if you've got a
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  Speaker 1: person from every country, what are the odds you're going
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  Speaker 1: to get good data as to whether or not they're
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  Speaker 1: a criminal.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's why I mean, if you saw like budgets
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  Speaker 2: on what I have to spend on casting those people,
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  Speaker 2: it was ridiculous to be able to get them all
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  Speaker 2: because basically what we did is we grab multiple options
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  Speaker 2: for each country. And what I was worried about is
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  Speaker 2: that like the contestant from blank country would suck and
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  Speaker 2: then the country would be like, Jimmy, you hate us
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  Speaker 2: and you purposely picked this, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Absolute moron.
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  Speaker 2: So we would pick two or three from each country,
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  Speaker 2: and then we let people from those countries votes on
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  Speaker 2: who should compete.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't even more one.
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  Speaker 2: I had to get multiple from each So I think
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  Speaker 2: I ended up spending over a million dollars just on
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  Speaker 2: you know, aggregating and casting and background checks and everything,
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  Speaker 2: and then putting it out there so people could vote
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  Speaker 2: on it. But that way you know whatever, like Georgia
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  Speaker 2: in Europe. If that guy's an absolute more on it's
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  Speaker 2: on them.
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  Speaker 1: They picked them, right, that's actually very smart. Exactly how
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  Speaker 1: did you come up with the concept for the show?
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  Speaker 1: Like what? First of all, how the fuck do you
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  Speaker 1: have time to do that show as well as do
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  Speaker 1: your YouTube show?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I just don't sleep much during those because like
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  Speaker 2: bat Scams basically is thirty days of just you know,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen hours a day of filming and so and for
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  Speaker 2: people who might not have heard of it, it's essentially
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  Speaker 2: the largest cash prize of any show in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Season one we had the most contestants of any show
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  Speaker 2: in the world and the largest sets of any show
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  Speaker 2: ever to exist. And I was just like, what if
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  Speaker 2: you take like a reality show, but you just ramp
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  Speaker 2: everything up to the absolute maximum, and like, like season
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  Speaker 2: one we gave away twenty two million dollars just a season, right,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, some of the biggest game shows in
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  Speaker 2: the world right now give away two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Like we're giving away two million dollars every episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that that's wild. All those that's so crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That sets amazing.
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  Speaker 2: And then we build a city and so alsoly shit,
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  Speaker 2: my whole thesis behind it with this is you know
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  Speaker 2: when you watch these you know, game shows or reality shows,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of takeaways and like after the show,
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  Speaker 2: they'll put people in a room and they'll be like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: talk about what happened here, and it's like intercut. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, well, what if we just have a
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  Speaker 2: thousand cameras and we just let people be themselves and
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  Speaker 2: we kind of just show it in real time. So
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  Speaker 2: we also, like in season one, we broke the world
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  Speaker 2: record of most cameras ever used in any production of
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  Speaker 2: any movie, show, anything ever. So like this set right here,
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  Speaker 2: there's over twelve hundred cameras in there, and the most
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  Speaker 2: that roof was so big, Yeah, it's bigger than the
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  Speaker 2: football field. And so there's a thousand contestants. We have
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  Speaker 2: to have an a cam on all of them, so
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  Speaker 2: there's like a poll on each other platforms on them.
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  Speaker 2: Plus there's hundreds of cameras in the roof and blah blah,
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  Speaker 2: there's over twelve hundred here, which outside of this, the
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  Speaker 2: most ever used for production was four hundred, So like
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  Speaker 2: I literally had two And this might seem insane. But
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  Speaker 2: this is why I think the show appeals to quite
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  Speaker 2: a few people, because normally in a show, they would
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  Speaker 2: have a story producer walk up to you, hold a
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  Speaker 2: camera and be like, all right, you got three minutes.
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  Speaker 2: You're kind of the bad guy, say roughly along these lines,
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  Speaker 2: almost basically put words in your mouth, and then they'd
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  Speaker 2: go like person to person with like one camera, whereas
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  Speaker 2: I go on the microphone, I go say, whatever the
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  Speaker 2: hell you want, we're recording here for the next ten hours.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: Right, all have a dedicated camera on you. So then
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  Speaker 2: instead of like putting words in people's mouths, they can
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  Speaker 2: just do whatever they want.
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  Speaker 1: So do you have someone who actually has to go
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  Speaker 1: back and watch all that footage and edit it and
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  Speaker 1: then put it all out as a show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Well this is why how many people do you have
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  Speaker 1: doing your editing?
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  Speaker 3: That's season Over one hundred and fifty editors worked on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy, and that's obviously why people don't do it, because
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  Speaker 2: it's like, basically, we had to spend millions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: in cameras. It was the world record for most cameras
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  Speaker 2: that we used, which then we also brought the world
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  Speaker 2: record for most camera cables used because it's twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: miles of camera cables, brought the world direcord for a
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  Speaker 2: largest control them. Each of these is millions of dollars,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to bring in millions of dollars of
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  Speaker 2: extra editors. And so next thing, you know, you know
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  Speaker 2: to take it from ten cameras where you just essentially
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  Speaker 2: put words in people's mouths to unlimited cameras and they
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  Speaker 2: can do whatever you want.
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  Speaker 3: You can show who.
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  Speaker 2: They actually are as opposed to what you think they
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  Speaker 2: should be. Right with the story producer. It costs a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money, it's a lot of effort in time,
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  Speaker 2: but it shows through in the final product because now
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  Speaker 2: you know, you get more natural, like less scripted things,
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  Speaker 2: when people are just themselves.
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  Speaker 1: You have a great ability to see the big picture
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  Speaker 1: and a great ability to put together things regardless of
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  Speaker 1: what the budget is, like, regardless of how much money
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna make to do the best product. Like I
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  Speaker 1: always thought that about you when you were doing when
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  Speaker 1: you first started doing your YouTube show. I'm like, the
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  Speaker 1: amount of money and time and effort involved in this
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  Speaker 1: is like above and beyond what most people are willing
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  Speaker 1: to do. And it's way more than a traditional television
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  Speaker 1: network whatever do because the traditional television network would look
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  Speaker 1: at the upside, they would look at the money and
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  Speaker 1: they would go, we're gonna spend x amount of money
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  Speaker 1: to make it this much better. But if we just
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  Speaker 1: take it down a couple of notches, we save eighty percent.
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  Speaker 1: And they would do that. But you're like, can we
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  Speaker 1: make it even cooler. Let's put all the money back
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  Speaker 1: into the show, which is very risky, man, because not
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  Speaker 1: just very risky, it's just very You have great foresight,
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  Speaker 1: like you really see the big picture of it. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: the number one show in the world, like you have
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  Speaker 1: the most watched show on Earth. You know, your YouTube
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  Speaker 1: show is the most watched show on planet Earth. So
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  Speaker 1: it's obviously working. But it's like that ability to take
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  Speaker 1: to make that set must have been bananas. That is
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  Speaker 1: a fucking enormous building. Did you have to build the building?
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  Speaker 2: No, so that that's in Toronto, but it's basically an
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  Speaker 2: airport hangar. I mean, we spent months trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out how we could make this. That also is like
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  Speaker 2: a thousand trap doors because every single one of those
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  Speaker 2: the trap doors open when they get eliminated. So that
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  Speaker 2: set alone was like fifteen million dollars. I mean it
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  Speaker 2: was crazy, thousands of people's time and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually where we film be scams. Is actually a
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  Speaker 2: pretty big deal because it creates so many local jobs
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  Speaker 2: for people.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there, it was like pretty wild.
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  Speaker 1: Every time can you say, were you filming? Or you
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  Speaker 1: keep it on the road?
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  Speaker 3: That one was Toronto, Canada?
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay cool?
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  Speaker 2: And every time I'd walk around on set, people were
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  Speaker 2: loving it because even though we filmed for thirty days,
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  Speaker 2: there's months leading up to it in months after. Sure
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  Speaker 2: it gives people like systant work for six months, whereas
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  Speaker 2: like before they're going project to project every week. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: back on the going above and beyond, that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: my whole thing is like why make content that isn't great?
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  Speaker 2: And we just ask ourselves how do we make the
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  Speaker 2: best content possible as opposed to you know, how do
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  Speaker 2: we make the most money possible? And when you just
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  Speaker 2: shockingly going with that approach, you just kind of make
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money. Yeah, and well, and also it's
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  Speaker 2: I tell my team all the time too, like a
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  Speaker 2: big difference between US and other media companies is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: usually like people at the top will always shoot down
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  Speaker 2: crazy ideas or tell you it's not possible. Like whenever
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  Speaker 2: you have like these crazy brainstorming sessions and I tell
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  Speaker 2: the team, technically, anything's possible if as humans we really
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  Speaker 2: wanted to, we could technically blow up the Moon with
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  Speaker 2: enough nukes. Now, we're not going to do it because
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  Speaker 2: it's not worth the time and it's not worth spending
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  Speaker 2: the money. But you have to have that frame of mind.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is, for the most part, possible if you're willing
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  Speaker 2: to spend the time and spend the money. So before
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  Speaker 2: you do the work and just figure out what time
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  Speaker 2: it takes and how much money it costs, you can't
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  Speaker 2: say no to something because almost all the time, like
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  Speaker 2: we filmed in the Pyramids, and I spent one hundred
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  Speaker 2: hours living in the pyramid of Egypt.
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  Speaker 3: It was fucking awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, for years, everyone's like they're not going
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  Speaker 2: to let you, you know, live in the pyramids for
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  Speaker 2: a couple of days, like that's crazy, And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: well why not? Like did you get a no from
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  Speaker 2: the you know, the leader of Egypt. No, Then I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 2: technically as possible, you know, And and after years of
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  Speaker 2: talking with them and helping them understand that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be more of an educational type video
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  Speaker 2: and it's not like I'm not going to run up
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  Speaker 2: the pyramids and take my shirt off and be like
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  Speaker 2: a lunatic. It'll be really cool. Eventually they came around
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  Speaker 2: to it and they loved the video and it worked
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  Speaker 2: really well. And it's literally like I could go anywhere
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  Speaker 2: in the.
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  Speaker 3: Pyramids for one hundred hours.
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  Speaker 2: I went all the way up to the top of
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  Speaker 2: the middle Pyramid, we went underneath it. It was it
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  Speaker 2: was really cool, and I like tell my team, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, even some of my most veteran people, when
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  Speaker 2: we get these crazier ideas, their default reaction always is
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  Speaker 2: to go, I just don't think it's possible, and I go,
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  Speaker 2: look it is. Sometimes it's it's just time and money,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and is it worth the effort?
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  Speaker 1: The pyramid one must be nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it was crazy. It was one of my favorite videos.
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  Speaker 1: Is that your first time ever being there? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Actually it was. And so that made it even more
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  Speaker 2: so because I was like learning things at the same
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  Speaker 2: time as I was just walking around, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: be honest, it was like a year and a half ago,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like all a little fuzzy because I was
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  Speaker 2: like so tired. I was just walking around all night.
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  Speaker 2: But it was pretty crazy and surreal. And then going
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  Speaker 2: down into what's that tomb cold where you go down
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  Speaker 2: the ladder and like a couple hundred feet underneath the pyramid.
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  Speaker 1: Mmm, I don't know. Is that a cyruses?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, a cyruses. Yeah, And then it was like
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  Speaker 2: flooded and swimming around under there. It was pretty wild. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you should do something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I need to go there. I've been talking about going
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  Speaker 1: there for years. I just really it's just the time thing.
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  Speaker 1: My time is so many different jobs. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: one all consuming job like you have me. It's like
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  Speaker 1: commentary for the UFC, doing stand up comedy, doing the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and also married with children, so like, I have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of responsibilities, so it's tough to just jet off
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  Speaker 1: for a really Ideally, if you're going to go to Egypt,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you should go for like days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like at least ten days, do you
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  Speaker 2: think the Yeah, I feel like they maybe honestly realistic,
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  Speaker 2: like five days you could do it. Yeah, And like
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious though, if they let you just like do
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  Speaker 2: a video where you walk around and go everywhere, because
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  Speaker 2: I wonder, Yeah, because I've talked a lot of shit exactly,
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  Speaker 2: I'm without saying it, I'm kind of implying I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know if they want you there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'd never have said anything bad about it, but
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  Speaker 1: it I just think that the people that run it
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  Speaker 1: have a very narrow minded perspective of how all that
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  Speaker 1: stuff was made, and I don't I think I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they really know, and I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of gatekeeping in terms of, you know, what the official
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  Speaker 1: narrative is. It's like how it was all made and
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  Speaker 1: who made it and what it's all about. That's why
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  Speaker 1: they're really hesitant to accept any alternative perspectives, because they
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  Speaker 1: have a timeline and they attribute all this construction and
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of evidence that that timeline doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: any sense. Yeah, did you check out the sphinx? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And you can, you know, you can go underneath it
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  Speaker 2: and go in that little room.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Which that's the stuff. I feel like it would
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  Speaker 2: mean even more if you did You've talked to doctor Zahi, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: did you have him on the show?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good. Yeah, and so he's obviously the guy,
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  Speaker 2: so you should just call him and see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather go for somebody else.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't listen to that episode.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather go hang out with one of the historians that.
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  Speaker 2: I know, Graham Hancock.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. If Graham Hancock would be the perfect guy to
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  Speaker 1: go with. Yeah, you and.
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  Speaker 2: Graham Hancocks walking around.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, now there would be some crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, well, whatever happened in that part of the
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: world during that time frame, it's pretty spectacular, and it's
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: kind of amazing that no one has ever achieved anything
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: remotely similar to it since. Yeah, and it's at least
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: forty five hundred years old. And that's just a guest though.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: They really don't know. Yeah, you know, it's it's a
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: crazy place. The fact that you got to film a
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: show there is nuts.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you call a show and to me
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: it's just a YouTube video, but it's just funny.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: It's a show.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, of course, And it makes sense because
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: you do stuff with the UFC and and year old.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: A lot of it's called shows, but.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, whatever it is is people were watching it.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's just it's just funny to me.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard it all that in years. But yeah,
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: that one was crazy. And I mean one thing that
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: I'm really proud of that we did for season three
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: Beast Games, which like, in hindsight, I'm not even sure
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: how we this one we pulled off.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: So I want to see your reaction to this.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: So basically the finale where we have the five million dollars,
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: we have the final contestants.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: We filmed it in the Roman Coliseum.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we crowned the winner of season three with the
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: five million dollar cash prize in middle of the Roman Coliseum.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Played played the first game there and over a thousand years.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: I'm so grateful.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: I like, we just filmed that too, So I'm like
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: coming off the high and I just like, like it
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: almost makes like it gives me tears. Like what we
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: shot was so cool. We had like a live orchestra
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: like the top ring of there too, so like as
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: the game got dramatic, we would have them like play
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: louder music and stuff. It was like so surreal. Like
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: there's multiple because I've done really crazy things in my life,
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: but there's multiple moments during that where I'm just like
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: looking around in the middle of the Colosseum as we're
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: like filming the show, and I'm like, like, this doesn't
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: feel real. It was pretty wild.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel I mean I went just to visit
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: a few years back and it didn't feel real. It's
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: so strange to imagine like what that was like, you know,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: how many thousand years ago to when what year were
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: they doing the games in the Roman Colosseum.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I would guess nineteen hundred years ago, So.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, what the fuck was it like being in
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: there while that was happening.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: And imagine what it was like, whoa, I'm crazy.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I know. And it's just it's nuts that you could
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: go walk around it and just trying to understand like
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: this used to be a place where people used to
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: go to see people die, ye see people get hacked
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: to death by swords, to see people get killed by lions,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Like what the fuck were was.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Well it's also interesting too because I did a lot
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: of research, you know, before he filmed there, and it's
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: also did a good job of you know, back then
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: they had like the hierarchy and like the nobles people
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: would sit at the bottom and the poor people be
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: at the top. And it also played like a good
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: role of like showcasing unity even though there are all
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: these different people from all these different you know, economic statuses,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: they would all be in the arena there, but also
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: remind them where they are. And there's like so many
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: political implications of it too. Yeah, and so just everything
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Like basketball games, he gets court side tickets.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: I didn't even I didn't even think about.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: That, yeah, Jack Nicholson. Court side tickets, court side tickets. True. Yeah,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I mean it's the same thing I think in the
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: coliseum though, that was the most dangerous seats because like
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: there was a couple of incidents, I believe, when either
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: a lion or a tiger leapt up and got hold
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: of some people. Yeah.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Well I didn't hear about that.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: But when I was walking around, you know, they would
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: have the you know, emperor like seat right there, and
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, if I was a warrior, I
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: could throw spear at him, like this is like this
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: is a killer of you. But like, how did no
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: one ever just kill this guy, you know, right. I
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: was like that's all I could think about. It's like
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: this is a little too close to the battlefield.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: How close is it?
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: It was like whatever four rows up. It wasn't like
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: anything too crazy, but like there's like obviously walls when
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you're walking around, like little walls, so you can't just
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: you know, walk into the stands, so they're like kind
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: of trapped in the arena. But it was definitely within
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: spear throwing distance.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I wonder how long it took to build that place,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: because when you're walking around like this is an epic
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: piece of real estate, like you guys built like an
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: insane structure and they did it, you know, almost two
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: thousand years ago or whatever it was. Yeah, so it
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: took eight years to build wow, from eighty seven to
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: two to a d eighty Yeah. Wow. Constructions started under
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Vespasian between AD seventy and seventy two. It was completely
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: inaugurated under Emperor Titis around AD seventy nine to eighty,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: so the main build phase lasted roughly six to eight years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating too, because I like to think of
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: like something equivalent now would be like maybe Sofi Stadium,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Like that's such a beautiful, massive stadium. I wonder if,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: like two thousand years from now, would that still be there? Right,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Like my Colosseum is like relatively still intact.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy, that's what it's crazy. It's because it's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: made out of stone. All of our stuff, like cement
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: will rot out. There's no way cement lasts one thousand years.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: All the glass, all the everything will just get absorbed
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: back into the earth. Dang, do you ever see that show?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: They had a show, like what was it on the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: History Channel or something like that where it was After
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Humans I think it was called, and it essentially showed
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: how long it would take for cities to completely be
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: absorbed back into the earth. It's nothing long. Yeah, it's
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: not that long. No, it's like a few hundred years
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and there's nothing left. Wow.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually seems like a good show.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of interesting. You know, it was
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a while ago, so it was probably like shitty AI,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it was shitty cgi I. They could probably do it
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: really good now. Yeah, but I mean if you go
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: to Detroit, there's houses in Detroit now that have trees
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: growing out of the basement of the house through the roof. Yeah,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: like they've they've taken over the house and nature is
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: slowly but surely absorbing the building. And then skyscrapers are
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a bigger endeavor, but they could still Nature could still
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: do it. It just takes one day time.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: That makes me where my brain goes through it is
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: it makes me want to do a video where it's
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: like I bet you there's like an abandoned village or
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: city that's been overgrown and like doing a video it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: titled like Last Human on Earth simulation and then like
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: living there for a month there's and seeing what it's like.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: That's kind of cool, kind of like the Will Smith
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: movie back in the day.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Be so fascinating, like to or maybe do it like
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: with the contestant, like hey, if you spend one month
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: you know in this like isolated civilization, like I'll give
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: you a million dollars or something and then seeing how
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: they like, you know, use you know, one hundred year old
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: buildings or something.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's got my my brain journey.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: It was not a bad idea, like an I am
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: legend type deal.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but real unscripted exactly.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Right, real unscripted. But then also hire people to be
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: zombies and people frame goes you know what I mean? Yeah, Hi,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: hire people like c gi them up, scare the funk
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: out of people.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I've been wanting to do that for a while, but
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I always get like hung up on like, Okay, we
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I can make some real zombies, but the problem is
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: like how do they kill them?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And then you know, well, the other problem is what
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: happens if you if you're not telling these contestants that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: zombies are coming, just trying to get a reaction out
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of them. What if this guy thinks it's a real
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: zombie and kills one of the people.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I we would tell if I would have
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: to say is a zombie simula? And you know, and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: then I'd have to set rules on here is how you.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Kill a zombie.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: You don't use a sword, you use this foam thing
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and it's lame, which is why we've never gone around
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to it. But if there ever was a way, I
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: do think that would be cool to like recreate an
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: actual zombie apocalypse and like let someone try to live
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: in for a week, because it'd just be cool because
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: everyone's exposure to this is through scripted shows, right, but
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to see someone like truly live in an unscripted one
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: where we build run down gas stations and there's like
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: food that like we would say this is set in
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the year twenty sixty, so I'd have set designers and
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: everything design it where it's like only laughy taffy is
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: still edible and stuff, and it is like our true
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: recreation of it. I've always wanted to do stuff like that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: You could totally do that. There's a bunch of abandoned
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: towns now.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: It's just the one thing we can never figure out
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: is how does someone kill a zombie? And it's not lame,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: right because imagine someone with the nerve sword hidden a zombie.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Oh now, it's like, Okay, this is a fucking lame
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe a paintball type deal.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's where our head goes because we're we
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: have a different video similar thing. But the problem with
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: paintball and airsoft is an't have to wear a mask
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: right for people to get shot in the face obviously,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and then it kind of kills it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, unless the zombie masks were what was the protection.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we put it over top of the that's yeah,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: poor poor actors, they're gonna.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Or you just instead of like a regular paintball mask,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: have something that's just a hard structure that is like
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: your the shape of your face exactly, make it fast
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: to your face, and then you know, you give them
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: goggle something clear so their eyes are protected, and then
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you do all the makeup on top of it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I should hit you up for
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: these zombie things.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: That actually would Yes, exactly, that's perfect. That's an airsoft mask.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: That that that would be pretty cool.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh dude, that's actually dope. Look at those masks,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the half faced zombie ones. Yeah, that's fucking dope. Like
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: you could that would be terrifying coming at you in
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the middle of the night.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Listening wants to live in an abandoned town for two
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: days all zombies try to kill you.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I think we're onto something now now that I saw
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: those masks, I'm like Okay, I like it because that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: could be the zombies.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Well where my head goes because the videos are so big, right,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: this is probably a five ten million dollar project. I
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: probably would build this abandoned city do I'm the last
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: man on the planet, and it's like me there for
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: some time, and then afterwards, like a couple months like film.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Then right after film a video where I give someone
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: a million dollars, they live there for ten days, but
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: they have to find off zombies with their friends, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: then we, yeah, reuse the set location. Because if I'm
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: gonna completely set deck up basically a whole city, oh
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: my gosh, that's gonna be a monster. But yeah, if
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I did both those back to back, that I'd actually
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: be pretty pretty gnarly and.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Worth the effort. I think I like the idea. Now, yeah,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: now that I see those masks and I think about
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: like paintball or something along those lines.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: What I'm picturing too is like, ideally can find a
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: seat with the skyscraper because I want like someone with
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the long lens pointed down of like someone picture them
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: on a street. It's pitch black and they have like
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: a fire and it's them and their three friends and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you know, and then they hear noise, zombies and stuff
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: like those shots would be so beautiful like that, I
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: mean that it would probably be one of the most
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: beautiful videos ever.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And I'm picturing we put like vines like on all
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: the buildings and stuff too.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: So well, if you wanted no one around, it's gonna
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: be hard because you're gonna have to do in an
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: abandoned place exactly, and you're not gonna get an abandoned skyscraper.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe so less you're in Detroit. Well, we also it
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be in the US. We did a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: video seven Days in an abandoned city where there's like
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: someplace in Europe where there was a city that was
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: like war torn and stuff like that, and it had
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: like hotels and tall buildings and everything. It was pretty
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: pretty wild.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: So really yeah, and there's no one in it now,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: no one in it, but like tourists go there, but
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: they let us close it off for a week.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: It was pretty crazy.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Well that's the place, then.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wonder if they'll you know, it's a
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: little bit of history there, so I doubt they'll let
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: me go in and like set deck everything like crazy.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: But and also paintball everything exactly.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well with those mass we could do airsoft, which
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: would be maybe even easier. Well, actually no, The problem
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: with the airsoft then is the trust system. You don't
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: know if they got hit. So paintball is probably more that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah you eat paintball, Yeah, you eat paintball, and it
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: needs to look good when it splotters against them.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I just you know, if someone on my team's watching this,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: just clip the last ten minutes of this and send
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: it to the creative team. I got you, guys, I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: believe in you.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Is there another way to kill a zombie other than paintball?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: That would be wild? Like? Is there something else? Well?
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: One thing we've been working on because I've always wanted
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: to like do hunger games in real life as well
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: as so like these like suits where you could you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: electronic like laser tag where you could just shoot and
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: then it just like lights up.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: So what about shotguns with bean bags? You know, because
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: they use those for people to like take out, like
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: when the non lethal loads, you know, they have like
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: bean bags they shoot out of a shot.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: The question I wouldn't need is like if I shot
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you with it like three feet away, would you still
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: be fine. If I guess you could probably adjust the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: pressure and stuff where it's not not really okay, Well.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: You could, but you couldn't vary it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: This isn't fear factor. This is mister b.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It's a grey line. You know.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: It's so funny. I need to give you a blood
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: and let you just help me cook on this video
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I can see there.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: You just have to figure out an exciting way to
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: kill them where it doesn't actually hurt the stunt people
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: or whoever's wearing the masks, whoever pretends to be a zombie.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: It would have to be something. I was thinking light
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: them on fire, but that's.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Could you pull up the seven Days Abandoned City video
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: and just skip to some Brandon part I'd love for
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: him to see, like the like how it looks, because
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: that with what you're picturing, and that really would be
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: something you can't find anywhere else. And that's what gets
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: me excited is when it's content you can't find anywhere else.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: That's typically, you know, a huge indicator that if it's
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: done well, people like it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the show from from I don't think
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: so great great show, but it's about the you look.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: At that shat positive right there, like are so that's
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: just one random building, but you can maybe go to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the intro or something if you want to just show
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: them like, yeah, this whole place, like look at.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: These ohoh, oh my god, this is perfect. Yeah, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: then like.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you posit there, those are all the buildings
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: in the city.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh dude, this is the spot. Listen. The
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: show starts at sundown every night. Okay, as soon as
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the sun goes down, that's when the games begin. Nothing
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: happens until it gets dark out. Everything is in the dark,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and these people have no idea when it's gonna happen,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: when they're gonna get hit, and so they try to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: get their sleep whenever they can. But you keep them
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: awake during the day with tasks. You keep them away.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: So during the day they have all sorts of materials,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: they have supplies, they have all sorts of things, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: they have to figure out how to protect themselves, how
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to develop shelter alarm systems for when the zombies are close.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: They give them, yeah, give them time to like figure
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: out stuff to do to keep the zombies away, and
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a limited amount of materials that they can work with
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and just let these people get creative and their ingenuity,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: but then you keep so that they'll be busy during
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the day so they're not gonna be able to sleep.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: So at night time when it gets dark out, then
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: they don't know when it's gonna hit. So you have
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: these people sitting around and it might be seven pm,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: eight pm, nine pm, and then three in the morning, shits.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Thirty zombies come in and they got to shed them
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: all the pain.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: And they're creeping in. Yeah, like they're creeping in.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Bro, you're getting me excited.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, it would be so fucking cool to like
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: let them build a structure or something and then like
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and I'm legend where he has to point the lights
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: because they hate lights, but like at night time, like
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: they'll have to we can hide lights throughout the city
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: that they'd have to collect and then set up so
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: they have good vision around their fort and everything. And
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: then they have like you know cycles where they take
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: turns watching and stuff. Yeah, and then we only send
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: the zombies at theoretically at night or whatever the structure
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: would be, so they have chill time or maybe every
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: night forty zombies are leashed and then so they're like
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: they shot like thirty five of them, but they're like,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: oh shit, there's five in around the city. So that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: day while they're walking around, they're like on edge, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the ten and throughout the day would be phenomenal.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many cool ways to do it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And you know, you don't have to tell them that
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the zombies are only gonna come out at night. Yeah,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: just have it that way.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: If we need to stop talking about this, because I'm
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: gonna leave and go film it, right, and then I'm
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: fighting the urge to go call my team.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: This is you. Also with the zombies, they can come
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: out in the daytime. These people don't know because they
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: never do it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: True like the five days it's only at night.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the exactly, so some people get snatched
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: up in the middle of their house.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Oh, we use before as gel blaster. It's almost like airsoft,
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: but it doesn't hurt as bad.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, it shoots water.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: And these vests that they have set up our sensors
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: so you can almost like what you're saying.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It's like VR laser tag.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Lights up when you hit it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's like an old talking system that says
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: like you have this many shots left, you have this much.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: We see a video?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is this a video? We did this at night
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: at somebody's house.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Oh you did? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? When did you do
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: this a couple months ago? Oh? Nice?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I don't oh ah wait, actually know that you bout music.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: But you pointed out I have seen like nerve jel blasters.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I actually never thought of that, So.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: That's I mean, you could just redo this out the
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: suits that it makes.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: And then re skin the guns because it was like
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: a little lame. But yeah, that would.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Be I kind of like shotguns.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I think you can easily picture the aesthetic you're looking for.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I gotta I have to find the blend between Joe's
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: like recreation of this video and like what I could
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: actually do. But there, I actually am more inspired than ever.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's very doable.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: It's very doable. You used to have to figure out
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a way to make it exciting but still not hurt
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: anybody exactly. You know that's not hurt the zombies. You'd
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: have to like armor the people up somehow.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, the thing too is like you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: one way, one thing that would help is like if
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: the zombies were ex navy seals or something, then it's
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: a little different than if they were like typical Hollywood
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: actors and things like that, which so I've learned for
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: like some of these other things, Like it's also who
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you cast to do it, Like you know, the Navy.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: If it was like Navy seals dressed up as zombies,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I paid them, well, you know, they wouldn't care.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: But also it could, well it could be like a
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: zombie army, like an army some some army somewhere got
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: taken over and turned into zombies, and those are the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: people you're fighting against. So you could you could put
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: them with like plate carriers on, and you know, you
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: could armor them up a little bit so they could
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: take some hits behind it. Yeah, it could. It would
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: make sense too. I broke.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I'm sold.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I just gotta find an abandoned city.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Give them glowing eyes. And that's the only way. You know, that.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Podcast is gonna be Joe helping me figure out to
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: do zombies.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Dude. It would be terrifying. It would imagine is people
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that are in like this city, there's no lights, there's
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: no electricity, and then at nighttime it goes dark and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: maybe they have flashlights, but each flashlight only has like
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: one hour of battery life, and so you have to
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: like judiciously use that flashlight throughout the evening. Shut it up,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: you know, so you give like a little extra tension
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: that the flashlight's gonna die because you only have one
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: hour of flashlight battery. And then you see these red eyes,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: like you give them like a slightly glowing red eye,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and that's how you can find the zombie. Bro.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: That would be cool.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you just look out into the woods.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see the fucking eyes, man, You see
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the eyes. That would be crazy.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And the other thing too would be because I go
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: to like how do we execute it? We could do
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: it too, where like there's like every every day, at
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: like a certain period, we pull off all the dead
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: zombies which are humans, and we just swap them with
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: like I can have recreated versions of them there. So
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: there's like actual zombie bodies like piling up right, So
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: as the video progresses, they're like literally stepping over like
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: mannequins that are step decked identically how the people were
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: so when they die, and then they're just like literally
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: stepping on zombies as they go abuilding to building, And
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: that'd be crazy. That would be crazy, you know, And
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: actually because if I put it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Many chalk outlines around the zombies so you can identify
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the fact that this one's a dead zombie.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Or no, don't you know. Let that be the fun part.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: But then we if we put like a crazy prize
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: on it, we could do you only get the prize,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: or maybe the prize is split amongst everyone who survives
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the whole ten days or whatever, and then it's like
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: to really build up like this crescendo at the end.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: We could have it where the final day there's a
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: massive invasion coming or something. So it's like the whole time,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: it's what if like every day more and more campus.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So day one it was ten, day two is twenty,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and then fifty, and then I'm like, you know, we're
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: gonna have four hundred zombies come on the final day.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: So the whole video they're prepping for this like gamer
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Thrones type invasion.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Not only that, but the people that get killed by
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the zombie, we think they're out of the game, but
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: they actually become zombies. So when you think you won
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: at the end, now the final game is you're competing
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: against the zombies. The zombies who can't win because they're
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: already dead, but they know mak.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: You lose, yeah, and they know you're four. You don't
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: actually even craziers if instead of well, you know, maybe
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: we have Navy seals as the zombies, but also what
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: if the contestants are like x Navy seals too, so
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: they have like strategy and.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Would just get the most badass people that you can
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: get for this zombie thing, like survivalists, martial artists.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, crazy dude, Actually that's not bad, Like you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: a UFC champion Navy seal like Taekwonda, blah blah, and
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: it's like, all right, what happens if you put six
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: experts in different fields together and simulate a real zombie apocalypse?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: You have fifty acres of this abandoned city sealed off,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: we set decked it all, and every day a wave
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: of zombie that gets bigger and bigger until the big
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Christiando at the end hits. You survive it all, you
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: split a million dollars.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I think the really difficult challenges figuring out a way
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: to kill zombies. It's not lame exactly and doesn't hurt anybody,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: actually doesn't kill people.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know that's your your second thought rather of course,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: but it has.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: To because if you're hitting them, even with the jelsoft
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: look kind of cool, but it's like pup, pup, pup
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: exactly peep poop. No, it's gotta be but bang.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: But and I can add those sounds in post. But
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: we're big fans of practical So I'd have my team
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: take apart the guns and see if there's some way
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: that they can make it even though it's shooting the
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: gel like make a bang bang, and then add like
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: the effects, and we'd have to re skin the guns
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: to look like real guns.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And it would have to be some it doesn't have
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to look like real guns because it could be a
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: gun from the future. Yeah, because that's.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Laying when you think of zombie apocalypse, you think it
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: has to look like a gun that they grab from
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: some dude to say that they've founded a house. Right,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: That's what a zombie apocalypse is to me.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah, so it would have to
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: look like a real gun. So that's why I like
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the shotguns with the beanbags and also with a shotgun,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: like you're only going to get so many shells, like
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: you like as long as you don't have one of
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: those big like Tarran tactical ones that has actually a
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: magazine you can hold like fifteen rounds if you can,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I think a regular shot like a Bonelli. What can
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: you put How many shells can you put in one
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: of those? I think six? I think maybe six. Something
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: like that is good too. You have a limited amount
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: of bullets and reloading is hard. We just got a
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: fun find out, like maybe if it was like twenty gauge,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: maybe it was like twenty gauge shotgun like bird shot
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: with with a bean bag. Maybe I wouldn't fuck people up,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: but it would make a big bang. Yeah, and you'd
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: be hitting them. And if you could find a way
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: to light up wherever they got hit, like if you
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: could put them in some sort of a suit where
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: when they get hit, there's like gel.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: Packs you can shotguns of people.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just not You're so wrong. But here he's living.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen his eyes light this years.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Let let him no, no, no, no, not a person. Okay, Well,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about shotguns, so let's find out.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Why we're gonna have someone pint a real shotgun to.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you will trust me, we're gonna work this out.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: You want to you want to help code direct help. Yeah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: you'll actually see him like the back on one Shot joke,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: just like this. He's like, it's like the Navy seals
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: are finding out the zombie po.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I want to be one zombie one night.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, everyone's like, who's that bald guy over
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the shotgun? Damage on a zombie? You have to blow
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: their head off? Right, how would you hit damage forever?
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: But it depends on what kind of zombie. Like Walking
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Dead zombies is so stupid. You can stab in the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: head with a pencil and they die. Remember it was
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: just going through the head because they would shoot him
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: with those crossbows and like Crossman wouldn't even kill a person,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: like with those field tips. They're using field tips. This
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: is basically a pencil going through you. It's not like
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: a broadhead. Like if you shot an animal with a
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: with a crossbow, you would use a broad head, which
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: is a big sharp blade that cuts a giant channel
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: through an animal. What those things are using is target points.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Like that dude in Walking Dead would drive me nuts
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: because it would shoot him in the head. It would
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: just stick in their head and then they'd.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Be funny because I watched the same thing and I'm like, oh,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that's cool, different audience.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: But it's just all it takes is like one arrow
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: to go into your head and you're dead if you're
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: a zombie.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: One raw of this is nonsense.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, guys, watch it. Yeah, one arrow in the head,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: you'd be Yeah.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: The thing is people have lived. Humans have lived through
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: arrows through the head like that accidentally gotten shot in
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the head with a bow and arrow with a field
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: tip and lived because it basically just it's like a
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: pencil going through your head. Really well, the way people
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: die from an arrow is hemorrhage. You die from massive hemorrhage,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: and it's usually because there's a blade, so like this
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: like this is what the Native Americans used to use,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: but this is actually yes, that's an actual arrowhead. But
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the thing about this is when it's attached to a stick,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: this is cutting, so that's causing hemorrhage inside the body.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: The little field tip doesn't.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Do that, and the field tip wouldn't puncture enough veins
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: where you just bleed to death.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe but most likely not. I mean if it went
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: through your heart, yeah, you'd be dead. But if it
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: just goes through like this side of your lungs and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: pokes out your back, you'll live. Wow.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, would you want to live?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: You would be in pain. It would suck, It would
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: certainly suck. But it's not like getting hit with a
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: broad head. My point is, I don't remember my point,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: but if I had a point, it would be just
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a level of shotgun. That's the what
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: is the lowest powered shotgun available? It's not a I know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: twenty gauge is light. I've used those before for like
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: shooting clay pigeons, and I've used twelve gauges. You don't
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: want to get hit with a twelve gauge, even if
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: it's a bean bag.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Uh, smallest gaugegun.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, here we go, now we're talking. That's a bitch
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: ass round. Oh god, let's see what that looks like
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: you're shoot up. Let's see what a four to ten
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: gauge shotgun or sixty seven gage shotgun looks like when
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: they shoot a double shit gun.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: I look like it's gonna still hurt.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, you'll be fine.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, Can I test it on you?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, just give me a plate carrier, and if
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you're gonna use a bean bag, yeah, because that's what
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Like if you have a chest plate, you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: so a plate carrier is bulletproof. Yeah, but what are
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you going to hit everything? You'll cover up, you cover
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: up the shoulders in the arms, you give them like
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: military style armor, like body armor, because it's not it's
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: none of this is going to penetrate. So if it's
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: a bean bag round, what it is is just like
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: it's basically a bag. It's gonna like shoot out of
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the shotgun and blast you, But I don't they're not lethal.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Let me see what it looks like. Just go to
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: a video. Just go to a video of lowest powered shotgun.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: That's weird looking. That's cool. That one looks cool, not
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: exactly what. Yeah, that's dope. I've never seen one of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: those before. Interesting. Yeah, I think it's smallest in terms
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: of like the size of it, not not the round itself.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: This isn't I did ask for lowest powered, but it's
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: that's not what people want to click on videos.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like most people who buy shotguns are looking
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: for shotguns that don't.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Well, how about this look up sixty seven gauge shotgun
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and does it show you a video of that? Okay,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: let's see what it says. Let me see what it
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: looks like when it's shooting.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Twelve gauge.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a big.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm trying to Yeah, so they're like modified
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: twelve gauges.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: That's a lot.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: I just don't get what the point. The shotgun isn't
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: going to kill a zombie.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it could in this game, James.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: To get so close to get a headshot or whatever.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: It's more fun to get snipers and guides, and.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you have to use head shots.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: This little kids can shoot a shotgun. So that okay,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: let me see. Can you give me some volume, let
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: me hear this. Put back that up a little bit. Yeah,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: that's what we need. We need that kind of shotgun
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: with like a bean background or a rock salt.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I got it. The team they're listening, they're on it.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something where it makes an impact. There's a sound
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: like a gun going off. But you can't really kill
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: anybody with it. Yeah, this is totally possible, dude. You'd
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: have to have like very strict safety protocols in a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: set though, because one of the things when I was
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: in when I first moved to la in like nineteen
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: ninety four, there was a guy that a friend of
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: mine actually knew, who was an actor, who was on
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: a set, who took a gun that had a blank
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: in it and thought it'd be funny to just put
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the thing to his head and pull the trigger. And
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: he didn't realize that just the actual air coming out
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: of the gun if you put it right to your
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: head is lethal, and he blew his brains out. Yeah,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: with a blank. He just didn't I.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Mean, or like the Alec Baldwin situation.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was actually probably negligence because it seems like
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: it seems like there was an error where they were
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: using like real rounds and then they would take the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: same guns that we use like real rounds on a
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: range and then take the same guns and bring them
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: to set and they didn't clear everything. So I don't
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: know who's responsible for that. I don't know what ultimately
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: came out of that. But you're never supposed to point
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: a gun, even if it's not loaded. You're never supposed
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to point a gun at someone ever in movies now,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: like if you were.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like, so HEAs to this whole shotgun thing. Welcome
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: back to reality, Joe.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be fun in movies. You're supposed to Like
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: if I was shooting at you in a movie, I'm
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: really supposed to shoot over here. Yeah, And I think
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that came out of the movie The Crow because Bruce
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Lee's son died because there was something that was in
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the gun itself. It wasn't even a bullet that killed him.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: It was like there was a particle or something that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: hit him from the blank.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: When there's effects in CG and everything's so good now too,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Like you probably don't even have to put a blank
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: in there. You just overlay the sound effect and I
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: mean put the effect and no one would even be
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: able to tell sometimes.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Too, that's true. But you want something that's scary for
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the actual people. And yeah, so it's more like a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: really light shotgun.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: And I guess even if you know it's a blank,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: like having a gun pointed at you as an actor,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: it makes you, you know, feel more in this situation too.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Probably well, just rock salt. If you have a really
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: light shotgun, even if it's a twenty gauge with rock
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: salt it would suck, it would sting. But if you've
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: got these guys all protected and you could find a
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: way where when it hits them, like you have gel
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: packs on them or something. So if you have them
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: all they're in like these like tattered looking white outfits, right,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and when you hit them, there's red gel packs underneath
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and they splatter. Yeah, and you could you know, if
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you get it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: We did something similar when we recreated swee games. We
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: put like squibs on them and they got up and
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: so yeah, you'd put like little squibs and then when
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the sensors went off, it would just and liquid would
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: go across their body.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could do that. So if you do that,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: actually you could have blank and maybe a laser site exactly.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: That's so where we went with the Hunger gun stuff
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: is laser tag and then it would just trigger squibs
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: if you pointed at them. And then maybe in an impost,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: like we'd have a track where the trajectory of or
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the bullets where we could just overlay like the lasers
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: or whatever imposts so you could digitally see it. But
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: obviously in the time you were actually filling practically it
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: would just be you know, and as well, you just
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: know if you got hit if you're suit lit up.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And it seems like you could sync up a laser
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: tag with an actual blank round so you can make
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: the boom and then the laser actually hits the person
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: at the same time. Okay, right, Yeah, that wouldn't be
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: hard to do, because if you have lasers, you have
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: guns to shoot lasers. That's what laser tag is. That's
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a pretty simple mechanism. All you would do is have
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: like sort of a dual trigger setup where you have
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: as you pull the trigger back, you get the explosion
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: from the round going off, and you also get a
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: laser at the same time. Well, so the squibs go off,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you say the boom, and then the squibs go off,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and you have it all coordinated together, and then it
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: looks wild and so then you have these zombies boom,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you shoot them, you see splatter all over.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: The other thing we have to figure out is where's
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: this going because if it's going on my YouTube channel,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: we don't usually show gore, and so we might have
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: to hit up Amazon. Yeah, where we used to put
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: fear factor and stuff, because that that definitely seems like
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: a more it's going from like we're usually family friendly
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: to now this is very rated R.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: But it's not family friendly because you're killing zombies.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, something's family friendly or not if
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: you say eliminated instead of killing. So if you're eliminating zombies,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: that's family friendly. If you're killing zombies, no, that's rated R.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Well they're already dead, so you're eliminating them. There you go.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Now we're passion. And like you can tell if like
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a show's like for eighteen plus or like thirteen plus,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: if like before they shoot the person or whatever, if
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: it cuts away right, and like there's all these little
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: things not that we even this could be wild. I
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: mean it could be if some streaming platform was like, yo,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: here's whatever, whatever a blank check, just may it happen.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Oh my Amazon should do it. They need people who
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: over there anyway.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or I mean really even Netflix is anyone? Yeah,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's the biggest no brainer in the history
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I've ever like that. Actually, the fact that no one's
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: recreated this is kind of absurd when you think about it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: But it's also like if traditional you know, independent of
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: like the shock and stuff you're talking about, like a
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: traditional people with traditional world views did this, it'd be
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: so stringent and structured and stuff like that. Where was
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: like we if we did it with like the Beast
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Games mindset, where it's just like there's cameras everywhere, they
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: can truly do whatever the hell they want and it's
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: not like this like guarded thing and it's an actual
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: abandoned city. Oh my gosh, it would go crazy.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Now we need a task, we need a goal that
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the goal would right, but maybe survival while you're trying
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: to accomplish something.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then this is like a mechanism that usually
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: would work well is the tasks every day will grow
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: the prize pool. And if it's on a streaming platform,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: then the price bool could be crazy. Right, it doesn't
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: have to be a million dollars. They could grow to
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: ten million theore if they weren't being cheap, and so
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: then it could be like every day, if you complete
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the task, I put a million dollars in the prize pool.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Each episode's one whole day. It's ten episodes, ten days,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: and so they could technically grow the prize bowl to
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: ten million dollars. You put some like you know, the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: UFC people and like you know, Navy seals and like
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: these hardcore people, and you tell them like they could
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: potentially share ten million dollars, but they would be trying
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: their butts off those ten days. The footage would be crazy.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I mean they would probably be like practicing during the day,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: like their rotations and everything on, like holding on zombies.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: It would would be really cool.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they would run training routes exactly. You know what's
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: really interesting, we'd have to figure out how the zombies
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: get them, because you don't want physical conflict between the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: stunt people, the zombie people and the contestants. You don't
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: want to actually fight exactly right, So like yep, would
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: have to have rules as to what.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: It would probably be. It might default intuition is if
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: the zombie just purely touches you, then you're just dead.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Like we wouldn't be able to take any further than that,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: But if they like rite like twenty eight days later, zombies,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: all they have to do is like scratch you, yeah, or.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Breathe in front of you.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But in this case, if they touch you
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: that way, it's not like the Navy seal like pushing
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: and flipping them off. Like because if you went to
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: push them or touch them, then you'd be out. So
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: people be keeping their distance. But even then it'd get
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: pretty crazy if they're like cause they're obviously they would
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: run and they'd be chase scenes and stuff. So honestly,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: like I know some great sunt choreographers like Can and
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: a bunch of other people. I would just call them
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: and be like, Yo, how do I do this? And
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: they'd probably be like, oh, here's how would do it
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: or whatever?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Do this could be mad?
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this could be a mad To set the stage,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: it's like abandoned city, dozens of acres sealed off. Like
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I could literally build like a wall around it, so
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: the seals and whoever the contestants know like this is
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: the edge they're walled in, and then uh yeah, they're
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: walking around. And then we have some of the best
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: set designers in the world come in and like basically
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: we'd pick a time in the future. We'd say this
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: is fifty years in the future, and they would match
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: exactly what all these buildings would look like fifty years
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: from now.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: They put vines on this.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: If there's a gas station, they'd go through and like,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: this is what would happened to Durridos fifty years from now,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: and they'd literally mirrored identically across you know, one hundred buildings,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: and then we had dropped, we'd have a helicopter fly
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: in drop them off, and then it's like, you know,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: every day, like we could have like an eagle flyover
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: and drop their tasks to day and then in the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: middle of the city's a million Oh, that's what we
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: could do the prize school in the middle of the
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: zombies touch it as well, then they lose the money.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: So they're not only defending themselves but also the prize school,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: so in the middle of the city, so that's why
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: they have to build a fort around it. And then
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: every day if they complete their crazy task right, which
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: is distracting them from building their fort, then a helicopter
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: will drop another million dollars on their prize school. So
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: then it's like so episode one, they complete the task
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: before the zombies come at night, and then it's like
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I come in on a helicopter. We have a rope
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: lowered down. A million dollars is massive in ones right,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: and then it on hooks and now they have two
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: million dollars there, like good luck guys, and if there's
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: six of them, then it's like you're now, if you survive,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: are all winning over three hundred thousand dollars. And then
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: you know, but if you grow the prize school to
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: six million dollars without getting elmitated, you're all million in
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: nine days. Bro, that would be crazy. And then yeah,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: the zombies come in, we figure out the practical guns
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: with their right sound effects, and.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, practical guns, right sound effects, and what what entails
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: you getting killed by a zombie? Yeah? How do they
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: And the.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Other thing too, to make it fun is if a
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: zombie eliminates one of you, they get one six of
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: the prize for whatever. So then now the zombies are
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: incentivized right to try to So then it's like if
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: a zombie touches the navy seal, whatever the way is,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: it's like congrat's now you're a millionaire. If it's later on,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: So then like as it goes on, things are gonna
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: get really tense on both sides and.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: They'll be really cool, yeah.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Dude, because that's how you take it. Where people don't
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: want to be zombies, so now they're like excited to
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: be zombies. They're like ooh I actually sneak up behind them,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: and I get a million.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: People are gonna want to be zombies anyway.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: True, because it's gonna look sick.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be sick.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I would want to be a zombie that just
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: like imagine walking in a horde and role playing being
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: a zombie. That actually be a pretty cool.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: After it's so sick, you're it's total pitch black. There's
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: no power, no electricity. You just see red eyes in
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the woods, Oh my god, while these dudes are sneaking in,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and you'd have to have some sort of rules like
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: how the zombies can move, whether they can run, whether
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: they can you know what I mean, because like we
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: have to decide are these twenty eight days later zombies
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: that run at you or these like walking dead zombies.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: They are like kind of like we'd.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Probably start off that way, but they evolve with time.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm a big fan of Like usually when you
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: have like people who are playing some roles, they usually
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: end up going rogue. It's really hard to get hundreds
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: of people to do like certain things, like you know,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: in an unscripted, sandboxed environment, So we would have to
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: constrict them in a way where like if we didn't
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: want them to move past a certain speed, we'd probably
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: have to figure out some way to put like a
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: chain around their feet or something that physically wouldn't allow
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: them to do it. Or like if you have three
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: hundred zombies going right, you can't redo it right, Like
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: if one of those zombies goes rogue and scratch, it's like,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I can't reshoot the shell, right. That's what's so high
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: stakes about the things we do in the world. So
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: we'd have to physically make it where they couldn't do
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: things they're not supposed to do in a perfect world.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Or when if you have three hundred people have two
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: percent go rogue, that's still six zombies going rogue, which
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: is brutal.
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  Speaker 1: intended for a United States audience. Yeah, it is brutal,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: but I think I think with proper planning, if you
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: really sit down and plan out what the what the
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: zombies task is, what it means, and like what these
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: people are doing, and what what goals are they trying
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: to achieve while they're there and while they're defending against zombies.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: You got to give them stuff to do during the
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: day so that they're fully occupied so they can't sleep.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: It's really important, Like the more they do during the day,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: it optimizes the amount of money they can win. Like
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: as they complete tasks, if they stay alive, they have
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: a higher threshold, whereas someone just fucking sleeps all day
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: and doesn't get anything done. Even if they survive, they
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: can't make.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Any money, you know what I'm saying. And that works
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: that these are you know, hardcore like people, so it's good.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Like if I have normal contestants, they'd be like, oh,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: this is horrible.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: You want that though you want people to bitch out,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: You want a few people to because that there's always
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: gonna be people.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: That you are hold to different standards, and that if
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: I did that, there would be maybe ten trillion articles
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: written about how I'm the most evil.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Man on the planet.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: But if I made it too hard where people couldn't sleep.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: For one now, oh listen, you can't read those articles.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Fuck those people. You just got to make an awesome show.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: You The awesome show is you keep these motherfuckers awake
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: and you make it so that they can choose to
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: sleep if they want. But there are tasks to achieve,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: and if you can complete these tasks, you have a
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: potential to make a lot of money. But if you
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: don't complete the tasks, you can't make any money even
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: if you survive.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Sold Amazon, Netflix, whoever wants it, let us know, like.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Right, you got to keep these motherfuckers wake so that
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: nighttime is terrifying. Can you imagine seeing people sitting there
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: with their shotgun and opening their eyes and looking out
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: seeing red.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Eyes, we get a tight out of their faces and
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: as they're sleep and then one of the other guys
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: go zombies in your bang bang and then they wake
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: up and they grab their gun.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the problem of people randomly shooting wild while
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: there's other people around them. So it kind of would
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: have to be blanks and lasers because now that I'm
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: thinking about it, like people are gonna spaz out and
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: accidentally shoot some of the face. It is where especially
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: if they're tired.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: I've done uh.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you did unscripted with but I've done
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: lots of unscripted stuff with lots of people, and exactly
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: when you're talking about the shotgun stuff, I'm like, you know,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: there's just no shot in hell that you would we'd
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: ever be able to. It would have to be like,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: but I love the Je rounds, and we could do
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: it in a way where we set that the guns
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: where it looks really cool and we can recreate the
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: sound effect. But then Jee rounds, like it's essentially like
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: the nerve ones now I'm remembering them like they're like
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: water that explodes on impact. Those would be perfect.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you want blanks because you want the bang. Well,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you want the bang for the people, for the psychological effect,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: the fear. It's in the middle of the night, it's dark,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: you're making a bang go off, the flash of the
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: bang going off. Yeah, and then maybe to avoid people
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: being able to shoot each other, maybe at nighttime they're
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: completely separated. Maybe at night time you.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Want them to get I'm telling you, like if they
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: built a fort around the money. What you want in
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: the shots is you always want to people to be
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: able to tell what they're competing for and like they're
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: why and you usually but you don't want to have
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: to say it, right. You don't want to have to say, oh,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: I'm competing for this money. But if you have the
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: money in the background the shot, intutally, viewers will be like,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: that's what they're competing for. So like a fort built
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: around it where they have walls and they're standing on
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: it and you see the money behind them in the shots,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Like intutally, to a view you're gonna instantly understand the
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: motivation and it's going to be like, I mean, it
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: would just be so crazy the shots.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's like a super advanced game of hide and
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: seek at night where the people can't talk. They have
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: to be very quiet because the zombies are have like
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: hyper hearing, Like you give the zombies like walker game ears.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: You know what those things are. No, it's like do
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: you ever go to a gun range? Yeah, because you
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: know you have those headphones and then you can you
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: can hear everything else way louder, but when guns go off,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: it kills volume above a certain amount of decibels, so
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: they can hear everything. A few years, the zombies, like,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: we'll be able to key in on it. They'll know
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: where the people are. And these people have to hide
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: from the zombies at night.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: True, because I guess the other thing is if they've
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: built the fort around it, how would the zombies even
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: get to.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Them, right, So instead of that, you have people that
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: are trying to hide. So you got these zombies slowly
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: creeping through these abandoned buildings looking for people.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: We'd have to get it to with them where the
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: seals and stuff. Couldn't like lock doors or anything, right
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: because no locks.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: So basically no doors have locks that's what makes the
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: hide and go seek so good. All the handles or
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: all the doors are removed, there's no locks.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: So every every night, maybe we would brainstorm it more.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: But theoretically they all have to hide in a different
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: building or something they couldn't be in the same building,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: and then the zombies scatter across the city, and then
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: wherever you are in the building, people have to be
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: able to get to you.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: The zombies have to be able to get to you unrestricted.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And so maybe before we release the zombies,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: we'd have a producer just go in and walk a path.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: All right, there's a factual path where you could die
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: to a zombie. This is good, and then we let
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: them lose that make sure there's no cheating.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: There's something this would be wild.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: This Honestly, this is one of those things where I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: say this to my team, calldit. It's either gonna be
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: like the worst show imaginable that people clown on, or
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be like the number one show ever, and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: there's no in between, like you don't do this like
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: kind of a right where people are like I like it. It's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: either like cringe, we failed, this sucks or It's like.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: This is the greatest thing ever. Why did this not
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: exist before?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Like The Walking Dead or what's the HBO show called
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: The One with the Last of Us? Yeah, the Last
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: of Us in real life? Like how has no one
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: done this? You know what I mean? Like actual, true
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: simulation and like if we executed it properly, I really
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: could see it being like a number one show in
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: the world type thing that people would like. Because also
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: you have to think, like the world is ran by
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: clips these days, and you know, on like TikTok feeds,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Instagram meals and YouTube shorts and like it is arguably
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: the most clippable thing ever. Like any ten second scene
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: of that you could just throw on YouTube shorts and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: go viral because it's freaking zombies getting shot at.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: And you know how cool they can make those masks look. Yeah,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: a real special effects guy to work on those masks. Yeah,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: like one of those experts.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: Search up mister b Zombies.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: We have a video on our channel from like I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: mean god knows all ago seven years ago where we
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: we did like make like a mini zombie horde, but
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: not like in a simulation like this, just for fun
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: to see how people in publicer to react and like
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: the it looks disgusting. The things they were able to do,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: it's pretty crazy.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, special modern special effects and make up artists. They
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: could do amazing stuff.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Man, go if you can find like a close up
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: on my face or like it was like crazy we
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: we just brought in people. Yeah, like like that kind
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: of stuff, like look at my face right there, like
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: pose it. It's freaking wild, dude.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: You could totally do something like that on the outside
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: of one of those masks.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that that was really all.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: That's the look you what yours looks like with like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the teeth and everything and fucked up flash that is
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: the mask exactly. So you take that hard airsoft mask
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: and you put that shit on it.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Jo. The problem is, I want to go work on
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: this now we go. So it's funny. I have this
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: thing where this might sound like crazy to some people,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: but when you can you know, when you feel your
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: heart achet elevated. When I talk about an idea and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I can feel my heart achet all of it, I'm
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: usually like that's a good indicator that it's like a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: good idea, because I'm getting.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Like this is a good idea.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I can literally feel or not anymore,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: but like a couple of minutes ago, I could feel
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: my heart beating because I was getting excited. And it's
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: like that usually almost always correlates with people, because if
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I'm getting excited talking about it, you have to think,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: like a lot of things right now are because of
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: TikTok and reels and stuff. They go viral because of
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: word of mouth, and so like if just talking about
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: the idea get someone excited, then that usually means like
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are just going to talk about it.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: And if a lot of people talking about obviously a
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: lot of people watch it. And so that's why I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: call it kind of like the heart rate effect. Like that,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: that's like my number one signal that, like, people are
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: going to talk about this and freaking love it.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: If I can see it, I can see scenes. I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: can see darkness starting to settle in on the town,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: and I can see the people like trying to figure
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: out where to hide and what to do.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: And the eyes that that was genius, Yeah, dude, I
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: could see that. It's interesting because it's like combining the
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: vin diagram of us, right, you're kind of representative of
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: the very like, uh, I don't know, you're like just
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: ability to really think deeply of like what makes it
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: fucking cool, And you're really hyper fixating on what makes
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: the zombies cool and like the realistic nature of it,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: and I'm hyper fixating on just kind of the overall
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: set design and things. There's like a Vin diagram in
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: the middle where we combined like the two like obsessions,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: and it really like merges together and makes something beautiful.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, and you could also have like not just zombies,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: you could have like some other things that are out
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: there too that can get people can get.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Ten days on his schedule, Can he do one of
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: the well the actually no, because you wouldn't. You don't
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: need the money. But it would be cool if you
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: were competing in it, because then that would be insane.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too much time, exactly.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Just cancel some podcasts.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I like the idea of it, though.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: How about we or never Mine?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: You pick them up in the car to take them
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: to they're like, oh, whoops, we're in an abandoned city.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Oh here's your shotgun?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: You talk about a year ago, Joe, Well, anyway, zombies
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: are coming tonight.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: What he's gonna leave and not shoot zombies.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Come on, have you ever done a sandbox vru?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Is that the one where it's like the You just
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: go in and there's random worlds and you can walk
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: around on uh huh.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: It's a warehouse. You go in there and they have
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: fans and stuff, so it like simulates like the wind.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: And you go in there and you put on a
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: headset and you put on a haptic feedback vest. And
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: one of them is called Deadwood Mansion. That's my favorite one. Okay,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: And you go in there and you shoot zombies. You're
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: in a mansion. You're in this like abandoned mansion and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: rats come out and zombies and there's guys in the ceiling.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: It's fucking awesome. Yeah, you would love it, but you
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: might get some ideas if you do that, because you mean, we.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: We're co producing. You're okay, you invest in. You just
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: spent thirty four minutes on whatever podcast like Riven on it.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Well there's something to it, man, I just I see
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: it in my head. I'm like, that would be an
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: amazing show. I just see these people like in the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: like in a parking structure, like setting up getting ready
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: and the sun's coming down, and they're like, look, we
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: got it. We have about twenty minutes of daylight left. Yeah,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: and you realize, like, god, I'm so fucking tired.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Well, and they're like, there's still two hundred thousand dollars left
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: we could earn today. But media start prepping this and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: one guy's just a hell and another guy's like we're
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: gonna lose if you do that, and the like infighting
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: and stuff. As we're getting like dramatic, like you know,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: b roll of it from like wide shot because everything
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: too could be shot really far away, so like it's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: like lenses are punching in and so it's not like
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: there's a camera crewano and.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: You could have each day when it's tasks, right, so
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: the you have to accomplish something, and the more you accomplish,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the more money you could potentially make. Each day is
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: an escape room, so every day there's new puzzles to solve,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: and then you're getting fucking tired because.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: You're actually this escape room is a good, a good
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: through way to do the task. It's not like some
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: goofy stuff like move this rock from one side to that,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: but like an actual escape room and maybe the million
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: dollars of win each days. Inside I'd like like, so
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: it could be like I drop a volt every day
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: in the middle and then like you have to do
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: a series of things to figure out the combination that
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: are hard, and then yeah, and you solve it, then
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: it goes on the money pot.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Have you done many escape rooms?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Like I live in Greenville, North Carolina, there's not like
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: many there.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: So me and my family would do them everywhere we go.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: They're fucking awesome, And the best ones are in Vegas.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: They have Insane. They have an IT one in Vegas,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: IT one in IT two and it's fucking incredible. It's
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: so good, and it's huge. It's like thirty thousand square
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: feet this place. And they actually have Pennywise the clown.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: They have an actor who wears the fucking suit and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: looks just like Pennywise and scares the shit out of you.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. But those kind of people, You could recruit
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: those kind of people to design puzzles and things where
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: people have to do every day and then you're dealing
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: with sleep deprivation and people having to work together and now,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: oh my god, dude, and I know.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: The perfect people for it. We did for Salesforce. We
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: did their Super Bowl commercial this year, and in the commercial,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: I hit a million in it. Like basically, if you
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: watch the commercial just with your computer and the commercial,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: you could win a million dollars. And there's like a
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: bunch of random clues and puzzles hidden through it and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: uh over And so the first thing it did take
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: took you to a website that just like loosely explained it.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Over sixty million people visited that site and attempted it,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: but it still took weeks for people to find the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: million dollars. And it's like one of the craziest Internet
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: like puzzle hunts ever because it would like take you
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: to this website, which when then would take you to
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: this other one where you'd have to call a number
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: and like it's a four hour voicemail, but like at
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: the very end, I would like say like one, two, three,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: four eight and blah blah blah, and if you weren't
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: recording this, you're gonna have to listen to all four
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: hours again hang of, and then it's just like sending
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: you everywhere. And uh it's basically like one hundred the
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: most complex puzzles on the Internet, and like it took
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: this like group of like really high level puzzle solvers
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: almost an entire month to solve it with a million
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: dollars on the line, and millions of people were trying it,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: and there's a whole subred and dedicated to it, and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: so I just I just basically went on red and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: I got all the like the most cracked out like
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: puzzle solvers in the world. I was like, if you
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: had unlimited budget, how would make the most insane puzzle ever?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: And then that's what they came up with. And it
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: was like it's like hard to even articulate the steps
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: on it. Like some of it was, uh, how do
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how to describe it. It was like
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: so complicated. Like sometimes there's like a page with like
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: a bunch of buttons on it, like a million buttons,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: but only one works and you have to go through
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: and click it all. And so some of them were mundane,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: and then other stuff is like you know, paragraphic texts
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: and you have to like use some old language like
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: decipher the text to figure out what the words were,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: and so like each puzzle required like a different skill
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: set to like get through it.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could think I could think of all sorts
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: of different things you could have these people do, like
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: during the day, these different tasks, different puzzles that they
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: have to solve.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like languages. I didn't even know it exists.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: So like in the commercial, I'm wearing a belt that
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: just had different colors on it, but if you put
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: the colors in order, it like translates to this thing.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: And like, I mean, I don't even understand what half
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: the things were, but people were able to figure it
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: out eventually, like they're they're just showing me, like, oh,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: this represents Braille, these dots, and so we put them
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: in this way and then if you combine it with
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: the colors, and it got like pretty insane and at
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: least so it all ties back to like the super
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Bowl commercial and like all every little thing in there,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: and like one part of the puzzles you have to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: find locations on a map, and like in the commercial,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: I'm hold up a grenade and it's like a one
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: plus question mark equals is like whatever, and it ends
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: up being like but the text is yellow and like
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: it's like a stone was drawing on it, and like
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: it basically meant yellow stone and then you put in
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Yellowstone in like this location thing on a different website,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: and then it unlocks this and you had to draw
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: like a certan a globe. It got like pretty crazy
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: and wow, yeah, I know, which is why like tens
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: of millions of people attempted it. But it took almost
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: a month for someone to win a million dollars and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: like that there's a million dollars on line and all
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: you needed to win it was your computer. So it
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: was like pretty cool to see like communities form and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: like people were doing like daily like podcasts and updates
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: on it of like what the next like step of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: the puzzle were. Because what you'll see in these puzzles too,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: is like because we also did one years ago. I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: love doing these like online scavenger hunts that with just
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: your computer you can wint a bunch of money and
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: you'll see like when like one person will solve a
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: thing and then hundreds of people will solve it right afterwards,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: because they'll go post it on Reddit or they're working
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: in groups, and so it will be like standstill at
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: like step forty two, you know no one's there, and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: then you'll just see one person goes on this website
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: that's step forty two, and then tens of thousands of
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: people would go there. But then as you get closer
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: to the end, you stop seeing that effect. They start
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: being more secretive and quiet about it, and so it's
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: pretty cool to see like the psychology of how they
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: You could have these people completely unarmed in the beginning,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: and the only way they can get guns is to
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: solve puzzles.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or just find them, right, because if it's a
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: big city, we just go.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe that's the puzzle. The puzzle is finding guns,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Like if there's some sort of a some sort of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: a puzzle and if you unlock that, it'll give you
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: the location of where guns are.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and maybe you know what I also think
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: of like fun stuff too, Like we could give them
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: like there could be a gun safe our armory in
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: this city, but it's like they have to like break
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: into it, right, and that could just be a thing
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: that takes like a ton of time, Like so they
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: have to go find you know, maybe one of the contestants.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: We make sure it's like certified and like explosives and stuff,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: and there's they have to like oh no, no, shot
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: a stream platform and be okay with this, But it
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: would be cool if we let them like there's like
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: mixtures and stuff to make a bomb hidden throughout the thing,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: and they have to go find it and he makes
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: like a moxy form, puts it on it and you know,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: and then that's how they get in the gun safe.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: But maybe it's more like what's that hack sell or whatever,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: and it's like we make you get a safe where
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: if you hack sell it for like ten hours, you
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: can like break the lock on it and get in.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: So then someone just has to stand there and hold it.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Or you give people a stethoscope and a book on
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: how to crack safe true, and you have like clicklick
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: and try to figure it out.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and someone's just like there for like two days straight.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: But then if he gets in, it's just just straight
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: loaded with amos.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: So it's like a risk reward.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: There are old school safes that you can do that too.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they can do that with the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: new ones. But if you have like an old school safe,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: or we just actually hear the tumblrs turning exactly click.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Click, well we could also just build the lock. I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: mean the beauty with the team like cars, is like
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: it's possible, just like get the safe that looks esthetically
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: how you want and then just replace the lock, right.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just make it so that it's fixed, it's solvable, complicated, yeah.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because then it's like, well, I'm a big fan
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: of when they have agency, and so it's like, you know,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: it's like we could even lay it out there, like
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: this will take days to solve, and so you could
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: spend days going collecting guns, or days making money to
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: grow the prize pool, or you could spend days trying
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: to get lucky on this like safe that is doable,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: but there's no guarantee you figured it out, and having
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: tons of stuff like that. That's what like makes it
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: interesting too for the viewer because you're like, I love
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: in these kind of reality shows where a viewer can
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: ask what would I do right? Yes, And that's why
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: it tends to be what like people in families when
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: they watch together, they love like like in beat Skins,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: when I offer someone a million dollars, but you have
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: to liminit your friends, you know, sometimes people turn down
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: the million dollars. Sometimes people take the million dollars and eliminate
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: their friends, and like that's an interesting thing to go. Well,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: if I was in their spot, I don't care, like
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: it's a million dollars. The point is to make money.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm on the show.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Take the R.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: But other people see that and they're like, no, like,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: my integrity is worth you know. I wouldn't take a
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: billion dollars over my integrity, right and for you know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: and some people, you know, even though it's a game show,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: they're like, no, I care, you know, and so but
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: giving them like these kind of dilemmas all throughout it too.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: So then as a viewer, I can be like, yeah,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: well I wouldn't do that. I would just go scavenge,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it'd be cool.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Also, you could make it so that Ammo and certain
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: supplies are only available at night, so.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: They're incentivized to move out.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: You have to go out. You have to decide whether
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: or not it's worth getting caught, whether or not you
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: can sneak around and grab the AMMO, and then you
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: also have to find it. You have to find the AMMO,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: maybe find food, find supplies, like supplies are left in
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Duffel bags had night.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: You know, out bro. There's so many ways we could
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: take this something that would be cool is every night
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: we move their pile of money into a random building
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: that they don't know, but it's all pre selected so
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: it's not worth screwing them. So like we as producers
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: know the ten buildings each episode. So then night comes
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: come in, lift up the money, and we put like
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: a hellcout, really lifts it up, puts it on top
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: of a different building. So now they have to get
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: set up in this building to defend it. But they
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: weren't planned on it, so that's why. Because also, yeah,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: that's the other thing you have to make where every
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: episode's not the same. So then now every night time
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: would be different because they're in a different building and
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: they yeah, yeah, that's cool.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: And finding like having like random Ammo caches. Maybe during
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: the day they have to solve the puzzle that lets
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: them acquire a map, and then they have to figure
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: out where these random Ammo dumps are and supply dumps
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: are and food dumps are, so they're already hit. Actually
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: you know what, you have to go out at night
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: to find them.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: It would be really cool is if we can find
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: an abandoned city that had like miles away, like some
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: other little location that we could like, so they find
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: a map and it's like, yeah, on the other side
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: of those woods, but it's like a ten mile hike,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And so could you get there,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: go grab tons of ammo, and then get back before nighttime? Right,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: And so then that it's also like I'm a big
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: fan of like seeing diversity and biodiversity, so things don't
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: feel repetitive. So then they're going to a different city,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: but they're a million or whatever. The price pool is
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: still in the other one, so you have to go
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: and then come back to defend it at night. And
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: so it's like now you get like you can like
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: dual cut because you can have the people in the
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: city that you have the people journeying through the woods,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: and it's like interesting to cut back and forth.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: And then if they go out to that city and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: they make the journey and they realize it's going to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: take us ten hours to solve this. By that time,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: it'll be two in the morning, it's already gonna be dark.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: We should go back now, No, fuck it.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: We're here exactly, and the agency, right, do they stay
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: and spend the night there and trust their friends and
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: they have no maybe no walkie talking, so they can't communicate,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: and the friends are like holding down a four with
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: a million dollars on top, and they're like, where the
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: heck are they it's they're like, oh, and we get
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: so many cool shots like that.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: You know, there's so I mean, we've only done this
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: in an hour, right an hour or so, there's so
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: many different possibilities. If you just sat down and worked,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: it must be so fun to do what.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: You do, dude, exactly, Well, this is se What we're
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: doing right now is what I would call blue scale,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: and we're not thinking about, for the most part, restrictions.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: We're just thinking about what's great content, and a lot
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: of that's lost. Like people in a lot of writer's
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: room they did instand be like you can't do that
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: or that's not possible or whatever, and it's like we're
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: right out. We're just figuring out what is the best
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: show possible, and then I'll just have people go figure
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: out what is possible or not. And in reality, everything
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: we've said is possible. It's just certain things will require
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: a little bit of time, like the safe, you know,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: using a modern safe or changing the lot that's possible.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: What does it cost and how long does it take? Right,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: you just go through and you attach all that to everything,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: and you do a very first principles way of going
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: about it, and then it's just subjective. It would take
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: x amount of time, it would cost as much money,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: and then like you know, and then you just go
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: through and figure out what's worth it what's not as
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: opposed to you know, every step of way, people be like, no,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: you can't do that, go ahead and redo.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: It, and it's just like a it seems obvious, but
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Really sure if many media companies that approach it like
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: we do, which is no.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing about what you've done is you've built
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: it from the ground up with yourself and with your team, right,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: so you've never had a bunch of executives telling you
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: what you should be or shouldn't that be doing. And
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: that's why it's so great. It's like there's a bunch
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: you have creative people, and then you have the business people.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: And the business people they think they're creative, but they're
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: generally not, and they want to tell the creative people
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: what to do so they can say that was my idea.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: And so then you get a bunch of people in meetings,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: they give you terrible advice and terrible ideas, and then
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: they also want to compare it to shows that have
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: already been successful exactly, well we've already done this, and
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: why don't we do it this way?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: And then you don't get the purple coliffacts, which everyone
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: knows and these were the purple fact. So if you're
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: driving down the road and you see a cow who cares,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: you'll never think of it. But if you're driving around
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: down the world the road and you see a purple cow,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: you're going to think about it, like why was that
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: col purple? And I'll stick in your brain. It's the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: same thing with content. If it's a show you've seen
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: multiple times or format that's similar, i won't think twice.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: But if it's a purple cow, but it's something you've never seen,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: then you'll think about it again. And that's what's counterintuitive
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: to how you were saying. Most exact thing. They think, well,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: we did this before it did well, repeat it. It's
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: actually the inverse of how you should look at it.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: And thankfully that's why with be Skins, I've worked with
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Prime Video because they just give us creative control and
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: they're like, you know what you're doing, you can do it.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: But it's a lot of everyone sees that creators are
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: growing bigger and bigger audiences, and so a lot of
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: you know, every platform on Earth, they're trying to work
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: with them. And I can't count the amount of times
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: like a creator's worked with the extreaming platform and then
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: you know, what they have is great, but then the
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: execs start giving notes and it starts to lose a
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: little bit of the soul, the funny, and then it
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: goes from this like amazing thing to like it's all right,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: and it's like, uh, it's just so frustrating because it's
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: like you're paying them because they get millions views of
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: video because they have a core audience, and then you're
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: stripping the thing away that got them that core audience,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: and it's like why are you even working with them
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: at that point? And more and more platforms are like
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: waking up to it, but it's just like comical how
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: slow they are to it, and like they should just
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: trust them more.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Well, it's hard for them because they have to put
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: up so much money and not everybody's mister beast, Yeah,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: you know that's the problem. It's like, you have a
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: great vision and you're really good at executing, but some
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: people aren't. So if you're gonna dump a bunch of
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: money into something, you see them making a disaster like
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: The Joker Too or something like that. Yeah, like hey, hey, hey, yeah,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Of course, And that's where it's like, well, what to
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: an exec might be a disaster, to like it create
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: might be a masterpiece. And so that's obviously where but
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: it's evolving it, I mean, I think obviously with Obsession,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, they just grows four hundred million dollars.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. And I still haven't seen it, but I
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: heard it's a most what you would love it. I know.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: I just don't go to movie theaters anymore.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: I don't either, but like that one, as with how
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: well people are talking about I had to see it.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: It'll be streaming soon. I think it'll be streaming in
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: July or something. Yeah.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Obsession back Rooms, which made by a creator of Mason
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: Digital Circus. They've been crushing it iron like. So it's
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: like Hollywood seeing it more and more. But the writing
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: has been there for years. But now that I mean,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: we just had essentially four hit films made by creators
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: back to back to back to Well, did.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: You see Talk to Me? No, talk to Me, the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: horror movie. No, it was great. These two guys from Australia.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: They were hilarious, these two brothers. They came in and
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: they talked to me about it. But they were making
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: YouTube videos.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well they made it again.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: It's called talk to Me right now.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: What's the creator's names, Jamie, Dan, Philipo.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they're so funny. They were on the podcast
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: YouTube channels like a million miles an hour.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm well, I can't think of their channel. They're
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: the rac Yeah, yeah, I've.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: That movie is great. Have you seen it?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: You know, I haven't seen enough.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: It's really good. It's really scary and it's very original.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: When did you have the rac Araca brothers on a
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago? Really two years ago?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: They talked fast as hell.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Dude. They're just I'm like trying to corral them.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, they're super cool guys. I last time
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: I hung out with them. I weirdly enough, they're really
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: into Uno and I whatever. I like competitive games and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: I played a thousand dollars game of Uno and uh
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: uh so we filmed it for like a little short
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: for them, and and I lost, and I was like, okay, well,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: at least this will be funny. And then after they
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: leave to go back to off show, they're like, fuck
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: the SD cards corrupt, and I was like, oh, but
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: it was just funny because it was like we had
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: this like mini set and we were playing like a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: really intense game of Una. We were like slapping cars cars. Correct,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: that's crazy. It was like why then like we're like
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: flipping desk and like going like we were just the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: most bashitt game of we know you've ever seen. And
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: it's just funny. The kids game like like taking over
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: the top of Yeah, those guys are super cool.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Well, they made a movie about a hand, and so
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: it's like this ancient hand that it looks like a
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: sculpture and it's got all this weird cryptic writing on
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: it and if you put your hand on it, you
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: hold on to it and you say, talk to me, Like,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you get possessed by something and
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: you're you're supposed to let go within a certain amount
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: of seconds, and if you let go within a certain
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: amount of seconds, you're okay. But somebody doesn't somebody doesn't
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: let go, and it's I don't want to say anything more.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: It's really is it like scary?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Scary? Okay, it's a horror movie, all right, it's fun. Okay,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: it's really good.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: My fiance loves horror film, so you'll love it.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: It's really well And it was like when I saw it,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is crazy. These guys are like
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: super young guys, just energetic, enthusiastic, creative guys just figured
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: out how to make a horror movie. And it's all
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: done in Australia, so it's like everyone's driving on the
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: wrong side of the road and they're all Australian people.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: So it's like, he doesn't you don't have to have
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: famous actors to make these amazing movies. Yeah, it's like
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: it's not really necessary, like the back rooms.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: I think the director I think is like twenty years
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: old or whatever. I mean, very very young, and I
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: think it just crossed one hundred million.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: And obsession same thing, right, Yeah.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're a little older, but yeah, in
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: their twenties YouTubers and they make like curry like just
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: the silliest, goofiest like skits on TikTok and Instagram reels
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: and now you know, and you watch Obsession, it really
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: is like one of the best movies I've seen all while.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: And it's just like hilarious to see, like the jump,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: but when you look backwards, it's kind of like Steve
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: job sets. It's hard to connect the dots going forward,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: but you can connect with the backwards when you look
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: back at his skits. They were very well shot and
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: very you know, like beautiful, and you could you can
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: like kind of connect and your douts. I can see
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: how this person made hundreds, one hundreds of these like
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: little scenes on TikTok and Instagram, and then that led to,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: you know, to compile a bunch and it was like
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: essentially practiced for the movie. And it's just cool to
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: see the progression of so many directors going over. And
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: what's interesting though, is when you see these things happen,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: there's obviously a delay, right because producing films takes sometimes years,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: and so like now that you see all these hits
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: bang bang bang coming out of the creator space over
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: in traditional Hollywood, then it's not you're not gonna see
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: the fact six months from now, but eighteen months from now,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: I bet I would bet money you're gonna see dozens
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: of other movies, you know, made by creators, and obviously
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: these people are gonna get more funding. And because now
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: everyone's eyes are being open to like what should have
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: been open a while ago, but that this is what
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: people are watching now, Like, especially people under the age
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: of thirty, they grow up watching YouTube and they're spending
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: you know, two hours a day flipping through sub sixty
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: second vertical feeds of TikTok reels and it's you know, shorts,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: and this is this is culture for them, this is
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: their world, you know, Like, yeah, I don't watch besides
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan, Like I'm not really going to a movie
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: theater for anything, but when a creator drops a movie,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, Like I want to see what they did.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: You know. I always want to see what new innovators
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: are coming up with. Like people that are just like
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: thinking outside the box, that aren't they're not trapped in
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: that sort of a weird world of like how to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: make a successful film. They just they're just they have
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: a cre a vision. They're just trying to follow it out.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: And people are not limited to whatever genre you know
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: them from just because someone makes like funny TikTok reals
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean they can't make a great horror film exactly.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: But then think about like Jordan Peele, right, make Keen
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Peel made this comedy sketch show, and then all of
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: a sudden he makes these you know, like get Out,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: and you're like, what the fuck?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: It seems like comedy sketches is the gateway to great
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: horror films. I mean, I'm sure people have connected that
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: dots and I'm probably like two years late to saying that,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: but I never even realized that. But yeah, can didn't
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: feel Curry Baker a bunch of the other people it's
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: so funny.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Well, it seems like if you're creative, you can be
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: like most people have a variety of things that are
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: interesting to them. You know, you like comedy movies, like
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: horror movies, and just because you make comedies doesn't mean
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: you don't have some good ideas about something that's absolutely terrifying.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder too. I feel like horror films
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: it's a little easier to do on a smaller budget
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: because it's like a lot of it is like the unknown,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: and you're not necessarily having to show it and suspense
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: and stuff where they're like, you know, you don't really
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: see Like I can't really think of like a sub
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: like a couple of million dollar action film that like
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: really crushed because like obviously those are very expensive. So
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: it seems like also a good place where you can
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: make something like the difference between a hundred million dollar
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: horror film and like a ten million dollar horror film,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: I would argue, honestly, really isn't that big, right, because.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: It depends on what you're doing, right, But it's like what.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: Makes it good is the premise behind it, right, Like
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: the tension and like if the the thing that's scary,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: it like makes you feel that way, but like feelings
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: aren't directly correlated to money spent, and like you know,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: you you could have like this monster that doesn't appear
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: to the end and you don't need to like see
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: gi throughout the whole thing, but if you tell the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: story in the right way and the constant tension, you
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: can feel like phenomenal throughout the whole thing.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of the older films that didn't
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: have the kind of special effects that they have today
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: in terms of like CGI like there was something better
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: about not seeing the monster like American WORLF in London.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: It's the best example. You barely see it. You see
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: it for like literally half a second a few times
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: in the early parts of the movie.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen the movie, but oh you.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Haven't seen it. Oh, I got's amazing.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: Speaking of not seeing a movie, I did watch x
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Makina after the last podcast. Good yeah, oh it was
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: really good. Really, you know, honestly, I was like, uh,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: it's probably silly, but I'll watch it because you know,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Joe told me years ago I loved it. I didn't
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: realize it was that good.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: It's one of my top ten all time tab movies.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: It's also because it's coming, that's coming.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Oh now, yeah, it's more relevant than ever.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Did you see the Computer Electronics show from Vegas this year?
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Computer like with the drum cees so well, they have everything,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: and one of the things they had was an AI companion.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: And this AI companion is a hot Asian lady with
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: big boobs and the lips don't sync up with the mouth,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: which is with the way the sound's coming out, but
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: it's talking to you in AI. Yeah, so it literally
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: can have a back and forth conversation with you, just
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: like perplexity.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Ken yeah or chat GPT yeah.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: And it's doing it with a voice, so with a
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: hot voice, and it's like that's common dude.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Well of course, I mean the the language model is
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: already there, right. You can open up Gymni right now
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: and talk to it like a normal human.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: If you just tell it to respond quick, it will
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: talk to you.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: And it'll talk to you with slang. It'll talk to
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: you and say that part like we'll say.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: It'll Well, one thing that's it's funny.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: I I play this board game a lot called Dune whatever,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: like a big nerd. But there's like this.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: One called Dune. Yeah, Dune the movies.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a recreation. What's funny. I didn't even seen
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: the movies when I started playing the game. I didn't
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: realized there was movies. I didn't even know there's books.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: I just was looking for like fun strategy board games
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: that I used to play a lot of Katan. But
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: problem is Katan it's like dice roll and you know
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: if you get unlucky, you don't really win. There's like
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: games where you know there's a skill ceiling where you
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: know the best player always wins, which is chess is
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: a perfect example that. But then it gets to the
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: point of like, well, if you want to be really
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: great at that, it's who spends the most time doing it.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: So I don't want one that's one hundred percent skill,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: but I don't want something that's too much randomness. That's sorry.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: I take board games a little seriously because I love
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: strategy games and like because if it's too much dice roll,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: like theoretically Monopoly or Katan, then it's like who cares,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: It's just whether or not you got lucky. So it's
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: like I did a lot of research into like finding
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: a game where there's like a little bit of randomness
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: so it's not just about all your life, but there
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: like as an infinite skill ceiling. And so that's where
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: I kind of landed on this game called Dune and
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: I started playing it, and it also had to be
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: a game where enough people played it, where I could
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: actually find people play it, and I got really hooked
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: into it. But it's ironic because then I saw, like
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: the movies are dropping. I was like, oh that, and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: then all the characters started to make sense after I
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: watched the movies. After I've been like probably a thousand
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: hours into the game. I was totally backwards on the
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: IP but you know, because we were talking about talking
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: to one of the top players like makes YouTube videos
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: on it, and I was like kind of curious, like
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: what he would do if he was like in certain
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: move like positions as me. So I just took all
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: the transcripts of like a hundred of his YouTube videos
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: and I just put it into jim Ni and and
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: I was just like, hey, you know, respond to me
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: based how this person would and talk to me like
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: this person would, and like what would this person say
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: in this scenario? And then when I was like playing
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: a game, I would just ask some questions like the
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: player's name is Dino whatever, but and so I called
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: it Dino dot Io and I'd be like what would
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: dine dot Io do here? And it was pretty funny
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: because it would respond just like him, because I had
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: so many like words from all his videos, like dozens
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: of hours, and it was uh and like, uh, I
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: know one of Dinoh's friends. His name is Shay, and
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, would you take a bullet for Chay?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: And Dinah's like a very analytical guy and like the
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: AI was like, well, it depends. Is it in the
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: foot is it in the chest? And it responded exactly
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: how like my my friend would like to a t
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: like with his same mannerisms and everything. I was like,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: this is crazy, Like this is absolutely insane. And and
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: then so I would put it where it was on
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: a discord call and like Dino, we would be playing
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: and then I'd ask questions and I'd be like, no, actually, Dinah,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: don't say anything, and I'd ask Donald dot Io and
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: it would respond exactly how he would respond in most
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: of these situations because it had so much like contextual
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: relevance from all his live streams on his YouTube channel,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: and it was it was pretty crazy. And yeah, so
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: it's uh, it was just so surreal. So talking about
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: like the robot thing, I just wondered too, like if
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: you put like a pend in around someone's neck and
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: you just recorded them talking for like a week or two,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: and then you just fed down to an LLM and
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: then you were like, hey, talk to me like this
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: person talks like you could have that, you know, whatever
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: Asian robot you're talking about, you can have it literally
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: talk to like some other human, right because it's interesting too,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: because I was like, hey, give me a breakdown of
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: Dino's speech, and it was like, hey, zero point one
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: percent of his words are up around point three percent
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: of what he says is like it gave me like
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: a full breakdown of like the last one hundred thousand
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: words he said, what percentage they are how he typically
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: structures his things, Like if you put him in a
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: stressful situation, he'll like kind of respond more like this,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: but if it's more chill, he'll use this vocabulary. It
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: was like really cool but also scary because I was like, man,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of me talking right like this podcast. Theoretically,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: people could just take dozens of hours of this and
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: just make like a little Jimmy dot I. Oh, and
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: it's enough where he can pick up on my speech
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: patterns and Howard respond to certain situations one hundred percent.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: They can do that easily and then just put you
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: in a robot and now Jimmy lives.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Forever exactly, or you can just have your robot for whoever,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: which is like kind of weird, like.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Ill, that would be very weird, you living with you.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Imagine you have a robot and you get the robot
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: to stuff around your house instead of hiring a housekeeper. Yeah,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: you come home and Jimmy's vacuuming more or.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Not even cynically, just sad. It's like, you know, if
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: you lost the loved one or something and then I know,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: but the pet cemetery talk. Yeah, but if someone's like
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: really grieving, they might, you know, do it because they
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: want some normalcy back or something.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: I'll probably feel empty and hollow and even creepier. You
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: have a robot that's pretending to be your husband. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: fuck off, that's crazy.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: I know, But it's just I don't know. These next
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: few years are could be crazy, man. Everything's developing so rapidly,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it's just yeah, it's uh, twenty thirty six
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: is going to be completely different than twenty twenty.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Six, I know, isn't that. There's never been a time
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: where the future is so uncertain, where no one can
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: give you a really accurate map of what ten years
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: from now looks like. The difference between nineteen thirty and
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: nineteen forty not much other than world events, you know. Yeah,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: the difference between like sixteen hundred and seventeen hundred, not much,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: not much different maybe better boats you know, maybe better muskets. Yeah,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: the difference between twenty twenty six and twenty thirty six
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: is gonna be who fucking knows, man full on Blade Runner.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like some of the people I
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: see working on like, you know, augmented reality glasses and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: like we're you know, like there's animes where people get
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: trapped in video games and stuff like that, and I
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: could really see, like you know, with AI advancing with
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: more and more computer where you could just you know,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: put on a headset and live in a video game
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: and you you could literally just gender or generate whatever
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: the world is you want and literally, like you know,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: ten years from potentially just real time generate the video
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: game you want to be in and cater to what
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: you like, and just so many possibilities. And obviously, with
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: humanoid robots just skyrocketing, I mean it doesn't take a
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: genius to see, well, with intelligence, you know, computer intelligence
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: getting better and humanoid robots, all these just tens of
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: billions dollars pouring into it. They're obviously someone's going to
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: figure out how to merge them together. And yeah, I
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: mean ten years from now, we're definitely gonna just there's
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: gonna be humanoid robots and so many things that now
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: would seem weird as hell, But ten years from now,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: we'd be like, oh, it's normal.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Ten years from now, you're gonna have a show where
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: people have to figure out whether or not someone's a
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: robot or a real person.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: I would say ten years from now. That would be
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: five years from now. Probably ten years now. I feel
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: like that would just be like, you know, is this
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: a rocker and iPhone or whatever, Like, no one would.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: They're just gonna be normalized to especially like younger people,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: like younger kids who grow up with chat, GBT and
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: AI and stuff like that. It's like it's just intuitive
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: to them, you know, to use these things or as
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: opposed to other means, and so it's just like as
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: that generation, you know, grow, once they become a thing,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: then give it a couple of years for people to
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: get used to it and normalized to it, and then
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not gonna take that long.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be very very very weird.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It's and it's also like scary because
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: you don't know the implications like whether it'll be negative positive.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: You know, some people will be negative for other people
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: will probably be positive, right, you know, like if you're
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: a VFX artist and media, you'll probably be able to
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: spend more time doing cool stuff and creative work and
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: less time like going frame by frame and like you know,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: like no one actually enjoys like rotoscoping someone's hair, and like,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: you know, so you can you know, remove a background
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: shot or whatever. So like for certain people like that, ideally,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: you know, it allow them to you know, instead of
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: you just you know, draw a circle around them and
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: then it just collapses on them and AI just figures
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: it out, so you're not going you know, frame by
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: frame and drawing around their body. And it does that
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: and you can spend more time doing actual like creative
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: fun work, you know, and hopefully that's where it goes
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: and not to the point where you just don't even
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: need the person entirely. But it's like anyone's guess where
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: like the puck ends up stopping, you know.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be real weird, man, real weird. It's
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. You know. Hopefully we'll survive, but.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm an optimist.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: I think we'll survive.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm an optimist too. But I have a
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: feeling that we'll have a different role in society. I
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: don't think we'll be the leaders anymore. Oh that far okay, Yeah,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: I think AI is gonna take over most things, yeah,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: including government, including allocation of resources. It's gonna probably restrict
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: people's ability to make decisions because we're so destructive.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: I did. I listened to your podcast with Mark and Dreason,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: and I do like what he said or not like.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: But it's just interesting when you pointed out that, like,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: you know, AI is the smartest doctor in the world,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: is the smartest blank in the world, is the smartest
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: of everything, right, And typically, you know, billionaires like him
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: would be only have limited access to these high level
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: professionals in each industry. But now it essentially democratize that
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: and everyone has access to the smartest person in the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: world in each of these industries. And so it is
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: pretty interesting because if it is not omnemptient but all
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: knowing and knows all these things, like, it's like scary
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: because it's like we don't want as a human I'm like, no,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make those decisions. But if you
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: like purely take a motion out of it, logically, it's like, well,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: would you rather a human with flaws that could do
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: something fairly bad or this thing that has a lot
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: more context and you know, knowledge and experience, right you
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: say you want an experience person making a decision, Well,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: technically this has the experience of everyone ever in history
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: on the Internet, right, So, but it's also I even know, man,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. But hopefully for the most part right now,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: at least, it seems like it's allowing people to do
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: less like busy work and less things that they don't enjoy,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: and focus more, at least in media, and I'm seeing
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: focus more on things they do enjoy, Like I was saying,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: like the example of not having to roto every single
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: frame on a body or being able to pre visualize
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: scenes or whatever. So it's like it seems and everything
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing maybe I live in a bubble on Twitter.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: It seems like it's not killing that many jobs yet but.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Not yet, but it could. But the idea is that
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: it could also provide so much wealth for everybody that
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: we no longer have to think about money in terms
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: of like you need food, you need shelter, like this
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: is universal. High income is Elon's concept. He thinks that
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: literally people are not going to have to work anymore.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: But then the problem with that is, like then you
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: run into human nature problems, and so we have to
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: teach children how to pursue their interests rather than how
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: to just worry about having a job to feed themselves.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: And so then you have to give them motivation. So
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: you have to explain to them at an early age
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: that going after tasks, completing tasks, doing things that are
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: difficult and challenging is actually exciting, get fun, and that's
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: what you should generate to and then we're gonna have
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: to reward people based on that. And it's just to
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: figure out, like what incentivizes people to do things, because
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: if they don't get incentivized, and then we also have
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: VR and AR and games that you can play all
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: day long that are way more exciting than real life
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: that you don't want to just take your government money
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: and play Call of Duty all day. Yeah, especially if
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: it becomes VR call of Duty exactly.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: That's where it's gonna get hard because I think of
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: like how addicted to video games I was when I
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: was a kid. I mean still to some degree now,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: but like and if it was in a headset and
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: like a completely different world. Like oh my gosh, Like
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: my poor mom, Like good luck getting me out of that,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Like she struggled to give me to stop staring at
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: a screen and making Call of Duty YouTube videos and
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: playing Called Duty when I was younger. And you know,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: but if I was like actually in a headset and
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: all my friends are on it, yeah, you know, and
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: then you take it off and now you have freaking
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: hole and work and like real life stuff, and like
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: you went from the most over stimulating, beautiful, different utopia
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: world where everything's amazing and you're with your friends and
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: you're having fun, and then you take it off and
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: you're back in like real life, which sucks. Like that's
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: like a whole different level of addiction than like current
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: video games would have.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't know.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: What the timeline is on that stuff, but it's clear
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: that that's going to happen in our lifetimes.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: That's the matrix, and that's coming, and there's gonna be
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: multiple levels of that. It's also going to exponentially get
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: it better and better with each iteration. Exactly, there's no
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: way to stop it. It's gonna happen. And that's Sandbox
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: VR but times a million. If you go to play
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: those games, you're in a small room that's like a
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: part of a giant warehouse where they have these things
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: set up. And your room is you know, like fifty
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: feet by fifty feet, and you move around in there
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: and you do a bunch of stuff. But if this
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: is an actual fucking warehouse, you have physical boundaries that exist,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: and then you're in a virtual space where as you're
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: walking it looks like the actual ground that you're walking on. Yeah,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: and you're involved, you won't be able to tell what's
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: real and what's not.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: And with those omnidirectional treadmills and stuff, when someone cracks
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: the code, it's, uh, you've probably never heard of it.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: But there's a popular anime called sort Art Online. It's
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: where it's just a guy gets uh trapped in a
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: video game and he lives his life through there. And
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: I remember watching that when I was younger, and uh,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: I remember, like when I was really younger, fresh off
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: of watching that anime, I was like, man, I hope
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: they figured this out in my lifetime. So I'm like
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: eighty years old, I could just put one of those
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: on and just live in the video game, and it's
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: like at first he's scared, but then he ends up
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: loving it because it's just like everything's great and uh
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: and yeah, so I think, uh, yeah, there's just.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: Well the problem is like what's real and what's not real?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: You know, is it really important for things to happen
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: physically in the real air quotes real world or will
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: be just as fulfilling to exist in these virtual worlds? Yeah?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: I mean there. I remember when I was younger, I'd
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: play like this game called Wizard one on one. It's
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: like World of Warcraft, like an MMO RPG, and like,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: there are definitely times in my my maybe there are
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: short periods where, like when I was a young kid,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: like my character in that game definitely mattered like pretty
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: similar to like me in real life. Like I was
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: really hooked, you know on that game. Yeah, and so
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: like I could see it, like you know where people
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: like look at people who've dedicated their entire lives to
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: world a work app. There's you know, probably hundreds of
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: thousands or at least tens of thousands, and it's like,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: you know, if you could recreate that same effect, people
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: feel that same way. Well, if I'm ninety years old
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: and I'm betteran like, I don't care put that headset
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: on me, like I'm done. Let me just live it out.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: And here, you know, someone come in stretch my limbs
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: every couple of days, like you know, put an IV
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: in me. I don't even want to take the headset
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: off to eat.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: Well, then there's a question of is that already happening
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: right now? So if a simulation exists and it's so
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: good that it's impossible to differentiate between the simulation and
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: real life. And you know, there's a lot of people
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: that are very intelligent people that believe we are inside
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: of some sort of a simulation. Currently, Elon's one of them.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: He said, the odds of us not being in a
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: simulation are in billions. Yeah, so something akin to a
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: simulation he believes is running right now. So maybe maybe
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: we are in Beast Games.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: For me, a thousand years of the future, the.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: One hundredth version of Beast Games.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, with compute growing and growing,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: it's if someone figured out how to harvest the energy
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: of a single star.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what this is about. As we grow older,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: technology becomes crazier and crazier, and it reaches some sort
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: of a tipping point while we're alive, and this is
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: the end of the game, right, reaches some sort.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: Of some actual civilization similar to us. But then they
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: just wanted to they lost, you know, like how we
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: lost a lot of our ancient history. They did too.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: So this is a simulation to see how did we
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: come to be with all this stuff? And so yeah,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if you're harvesting the energy of the
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: sun and you have all that compute, I mean, look
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: at what we're currently able to do with just data
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: centers on the planet. Like, it's not far fetched to
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: think you could put have someone put a headset on
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: or whatever and simulate, you know, trillions of things.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: So not just that, But then there's the reality of
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: the structure of the universe itself, like subatomic particles acting
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: differently when they're.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: Observing the double knowledge experiment.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like, Okay, what effect is consciousness having
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: on reality itself? And are we limited in our senses
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: and our ability to recognize the impact of it? And
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: do we live in a siloed version of reality that's
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: we're imprisoned by our site, the limited senses of site, smell, touch, exactly,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Like there could be way more weird shit going on
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: around us all the time. We just don't have the ability.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: And that's what the simulation is exactly. It's not as
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: simple as like you show up with your lunch pail
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: and your goal to work. No, there might be some
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: weird shit that's going on all along with consciousness.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: It's uh. You know, we did a video where we
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: helped a thousand you know, blind people or people who
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: can see again with cataract surgeries, and I did think
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: about that. It's like fascinating because you know, if they
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: didn't have other humans around them, they just would have
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: never known that site was a thing. Like you know,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: if we as other humans didn't tell them, I mean,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: they just couldn't see. And so it is like, is
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: there a sense that we might not be aware.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Of that A bunch of them my bad?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean but that that is like an
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: interesting thought experiment, and like because like to those people
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: it was actually a random memory. I just got to
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: we we also did a video where we helped a
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: thousand deaf people here again and a lot of them
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: it was just giving them like really really advanced hearing
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: aids and that you know, and they just hadn't heard
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: in years. And there's this one scene we did where
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: a guy had a newborn child that was like a
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: couple of years old, but it was deaf since the
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: child was born and had never heard his child, and
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: so we we put it in and it like really
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: really amplified sound where he could actually hear. He hadn't
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: heard sound and god knows how long, and then the
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: first thing he heard is we we had his child
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: to say daddy, and he like lost it. That was
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: the first word he heard in years and it was
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: the first time he ever heard her. And I don't
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: even know why that memory popped my head, but yeah,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: that was that was like one of the most special
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: things we've ever filmed. It was like that moment right there,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that's crazy.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we assumed that the senses that we have detect
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: everything that's around us, but we know that's really not
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: true because they're so limited just in terms of our
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: ability to see things. Right, we see more things with
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: the microscope than you can with the naked eye exactly,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: And we have no idea what the senses are missing.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: And all you have to do is ask yourself if
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: you are those people and you didn't have other people
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: around you telling you, you wouldn't have known.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: You would have thought that was reality.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: And it's just h Yeah.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll ever know.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: But we just think about the sense of smell, where
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: that is there's an invisible thing and when someone farts
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: you go.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, exactly, yeah, and like, yeah, it is kind of great.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: Have no idea. If you didn't have a sense of smell,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: you would just be existing just like everybody else. And
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: then without a sense of smell, life is not that
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: much different. You know, it's different, but not that much different.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Like everything looks exactly the same, but no one can
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: smell anything. Yeah, you know, but think of like gases
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: and all sorts of like a gas leak in your
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: house or weird weird shit, these smell skunks, all that stuff.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: You'd be missing out.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: I guess if you had to get rid of one
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: of the five senses, that would be the one. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like that's the least necessary to survival.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: It would suck, food wouldn't taste as good. Yeah, you
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: would know if you had bo.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but for the most part, your your odds of
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: living are don't really drop that much, and like your
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: overall happiness wouldn't change.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing that would be a problem is
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: impact by chemicals, Like you wouldn't be able to smell
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: like horrible chemicals that your body is like rejecting. You know,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: there's certain things you smell. You what the fuck is
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: I gotta get away from that because your body's letting
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: you know, like this is toxic. Whatever you're breathing in
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: is not normal air. You would that you'd environmental poisons
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: would be a problem. But other than that, regular life,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: if you lived in a contained, safe environment like most cities,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: most offices, most places that people work, it's not that
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: big of a deal to lose your sense of smell.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know What's It's funny because on the car
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: right over here, it's listening to podcast we did whatever
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: four years ago, and it's like, essentially like the entire
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: podcast I was way younger back then was all about
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: like YouTube data and analytics. I don't know if you
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: remember that, And it's like I do, like one thing
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: I've noticed. It's interesting because like I started making video
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: when I was eleven, so my entire life is on
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: the internet. Right, and like my puberty, every development and stuff.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: And I look at that our old podcast and like
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: it is so like brutal, like I have borderline like
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: autism on like this one subject. And it's like I
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: was so one dimensional back then because I was just
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: young and I'd only ever done one thing. It's just
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: so interesting because it's like if someone were to theoretically
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: search mister bs Joe Rogan and they you know, if
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: they clicked on either one of these podcasts, it'd be
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: two completely different experiences.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: Right, But you look differently. Yeah, I mean you look great, man.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: I was saying before the podcast, you look fantastic. You
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: lost weight, you look really healthy.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, I was telling Jobbo for a podcast.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: I lost fifty pounds between the last one and this one.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: And last time, when you would ask me about movies
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: or you asked me all these things every because I
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: was listening to an on three x me car right here,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: every single thing, I was like, I don't know. I
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: was like one thing and one thing only I know YouTube,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: and I was like I know nothing else, and I
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: blocked everything else out of my like my world, which
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: is interesting because I actually think that wasn't a positive, right.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: I think if I consume more other medians and culture,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: it would have been better inspiration. I would have been
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: a better storyteller. So I actually don't think it was
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: a good thing, which is why i've like since then
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: opened up and like I let more things into my
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: mind if.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: I could push back on that, though, I think it
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: allowed you to be hyper successful because you were so
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: focused on it that I think it really worked out
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: to your benefit. Yeah, I don't think it's a bad thing.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think that the hours put in, yes,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: but it's like instead of consuming four hours of YouTube
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: a day, allowing like a lot of myself to occasionally
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: watch a movie, I think I would have been more
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: tapped in and understood how to tell.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Someone when you were younger and you that's a part
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: of the process. I know.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: It's just so funny listening to that podcast because I
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: even I as myself, I watched that I was on
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: the car, I was like, wow, I like seem like borderline,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: like a freak on certain things here, because like you
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: were like you would like change the subject on certain things.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: And then I instantly bring it back to the one
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: thing I knew like YouTube data, like I could like
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: tell that I didn't even know, and I would just
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: be like, oh yeah that I think anyways, retention, And
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: it was just so funny listening to it. But it's
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: just interesting though, because you know, I'm sure you see
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: like a lot of your your podcasts you do, most
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: people consume it through clips on social media, right, that's
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: like their exposure to it and what.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: Most people consume most things through clips.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's fascinating though is clips don't have context
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: on the time range, right, and like you know, so
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: like whatever a clip from the podcast we did years ago,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: I'll see on my feed or it'll just randomly start
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: going viral one of them now, and like and like
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: sometimes there'll be things that like, you know, I've grown
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: up or I don't like necessarily agree with or or
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: whatever I speak differently. But because they're not like timestamped,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: it's like interesting because a clip from something you did
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: years ago can randomly go viral now and people won't
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: even know that it's like years ago, and it's so
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: fascinating because they just like pop up. And it's like
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: more people are going to listen to this podcast through
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: like random clips probably ten fifteen times folds than like
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: actually going on Spotify or wherever you post it item. Yeah, probably,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: And it's so interesting because that's like the new form
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: of culture, especially for younger people, is sub one minute
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: ish vertical content that they swipe through the feed.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: But it does inspire people to listen to the whole thing,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: and only a certain percentage of them will do that.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: But it's like that's a thing with sporting clips. Like
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: you see the game winning touchdown, you watch that, it's
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: like it's watched more than the actual full game.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: I saw a survey of like fifty six percent of
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: people now prefer to watch a sporting event through clips
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: as opposed to like the actual thing like that you
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: just did on the feed.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you that's the case with like the UFC,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: because I know for the UFC, when they analyze the
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: performance of a show, like how many people watched it
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: on paramount plus versus how many people consumed it on
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: TikTok oh god, yeah, it's many, manyfold. It's like, you know,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: they get hundreds of millions of views on social media
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: a different you know life.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: A while, but like you know, the the White House
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: one I mean I saw everything on my TikTok feed.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: I mean I probably saw one hundred and fifty clips
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: of it, so I have like a relatively good grasp
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: of what it looked like, what happened. But yeah, I
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: didn't watch it live.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: You know, if you wanted to watch that one live,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: really you should have been there. Like that was when
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: you really absorb how bizarre it was to actually be
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: at it was very bizarre. The whole thing was very surreal.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Like me and Daniel Cormier and John Annik, there was
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: so many moments like the day before the event where
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: we're rehearsing, so we're standing by the oct and I
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: made a video of it where I put it on
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: DC's like the White House, Like I'm showing the White House.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: There's the cage and then the White House is right
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: there and the.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: Flyover and everything. Nuh But see that's how when I
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: was talking about the Roman Colisseum before, that's how.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: I Yeah, but I didn't get the well, you know,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: they were gonna do Elon Musk versus Mark Zockerberg in
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: the Roman Colosseum, but it was gonna cost one hundred
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars just to secure the venue and
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: the set everything up.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: I mean that I could have hooked him up also,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: it had been a terrible.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: Fight, like would have been destroyed. It would have just.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: Been he he's big, and so that's gonna be enough.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: But Mark knows how to fight. Mark is like really
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: into it. He trains all the time. I mean, he's obsessed.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: He brought this guy that I know, Dave Camillo, who's
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: a world class coach who's a Brazilian jiu jitsu black
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: belt judo black belt, has been training him like he's training.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: I know he's more people well because I uh, I
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: don't think he'd careful and told the story like the
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: first time I talked to him years ago, like you know,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: we're just shooting the ship chatting and then like at
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: the end of it, he's like, yeah, you want to
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: come traine him a or whatever at my my lake
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh no, but but it's just
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: like instantly like that I can tell that's like his
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: way of like bonding Andyboddy friendships, and like yeah, he
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: just like he was being very serious, like he wanted
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: to roll and I've never done that in my life.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: And I was like, h h he invited me to
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: go bow hunting with him.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: So it's definitely not fake, like that was a one
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: on one conversation. Oh no, no, no, I know you
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: know that. But a lot of people think he's just
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: like puts on the facade or stuff. But like, oh
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: and ironically, like our first time beating, he's just like, yeah,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: let's hang out, let's do like go roll on some
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: mats and stuff, like he was being dead.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Well, the way you could tell that it's not fake
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: is watching him train, because there's no way he could
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: be that good if he's not actually putting in the time.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: Because why even his striking, his jiu jitsu, all that
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: stuff is like it's clear there's many hours been spent
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: working on technique to achieve this level of proficiency. I
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: mean he doesn't look like a world champion or anything
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: like that, but he looks like a guy who's training
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: a lot. You know, there's no way you can't be
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: enthusiastic about it and be doing that. So he's definitely.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Really Every time I listened to whenever you have a
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: podcast and you talk about the UFC and stuff that,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: it always makes me like, I feel that masculine urge
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: to like go train it and do it.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: But it's like.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: I wish I could, Like I wish I could fork
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: my life and have like one where I keep going
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: down this path of just grinding eighteen hours a day
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: and building all these companies, and then another where I
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: could like pursue fun stuff like that and like because
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: that would be fun.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: Like the how old are you, Jimmy twenty eight? Yeah,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: you're still so young. You could just do this for
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: another ten years and a mass so much money that
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: you could never spend it, and then ten years from now,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: you know, just slack off a little bit on that
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: and just go do a bunch of stuff. And not
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: only that, you could create content doing a bunch of
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: stuff like mister Beast discovers the world, Like you could.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: You could do anything. Man, Yeah, I think we're so young.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: I give so much time ahead of you.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to even I think you like as
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: humans do you like build the patterns and stuff. And
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: I've been working so many hours every day for so
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: long that it's like like literally like ingrained in me
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: that it's hard to ever really imagine the world where
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: like it shuts off because you have to think like
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: I start when I was eleven. It's basically now all
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: I really do is just you know, work, whether it's
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: building the companies are making content, and like another ten
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: years from all that, I essentially twenty years straight of
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: like training my nervous system, of like this is what
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: you do all day every day, like constantly being warm
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: ode obsessed with it. So it's hard to a visional
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: worl where I could ever shut it off.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting, you and I have been
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: doing it about the same time. Like we started this
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: podcast around seventeen years ago. Holy crap, Yeah, it'll be
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: will be seventeen years in December, I think so, right,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: I think in this December seventeen years So it's basically
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: the only parallel paths, which is crazy.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: You know, it would be funny, is if like a
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: vision like seventeen years ago you had eleven year old
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: me sit here and then you were sitting there and
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: like comped it to today.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Yeah, so I do that. So
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? You're gonna do a show
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: on YouTube?
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: Where'd you get this idea?
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: You did your mom know about this? Did you be
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: in school? I'd be like I was such a like.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: How hours a day do you spend week on content? Hey? Man,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: go outside, go talk to a woman.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: I mean back then too, I was so like introverted
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: and self conscious, Like I probably wouldn't have say anything
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: that would have been like you know, because you have
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: to kind of be a little It's it's interesting too,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: because it's like very accepted to be a content creator.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: It's like cool, people love it. It's like even parents now,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: like you know, they're like do it and they realize
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: that while being a content creator you learn a lot
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: of different skill sets and it teaches self agency, et cetera.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: But back then, I mean it was your batshit crazy,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: very proud upon and like so it's so funny to
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: see how that changes because like you know, it's the
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: number one most covenant job in America right now. Like
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: if you were to go serve survey like one hundred
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: random teenagers, a lot of them, a good chunk of
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: them would say they want to be a content creator.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe not specifical a YouTuber, but between TikTok, Instagram influencer,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: like you know, yeah.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: And so it's probably the number one job the kids want.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: It is factually yes and so, but you know, when
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: I was coming up, heck no, and it's like, what
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: do you have a weirdo? That's not a job? Like
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: YouTubers don't even make money. How are you gonna make money?
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be homeless. Yeah, So it's so funny to
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: see how it changes.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: The same thing with podcasts. Back then, I would tell
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: people that I'm doing a podcast and they would be sad, like, oh,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: poor God, Like what the fuck's wrong with used to
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: be on TV, Like.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've fallen from grace. And it's so interesting too
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: to see, like, you know, as like YouTubers and stuff
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: first got started getting big, like they all used as
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: launch pads to jump to Hollywood, and it's like the
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: ones like me who are just like who really cares,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: you know, like just stay over here and focus on
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: YouTube are the ones that are the biggest. And I
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: just believed in the future.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: This is the same as podcasts as well, because there's
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that started off podcasts and then
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: their podcast got a little bit of popularity and they
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: went and did a show somewhere. Yeah, they got and
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: it sort of stalled them out in the podcast world.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: Exactly because now you're working for the man air quotes
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: and you're working for some studio or something like.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: That split time, and you're not as shit. Yes, yeah,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: well it's something I think about too, which is a
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: message I feel like a lot of people need to
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: hear because a lot of people don't realize that, you know,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: you know, not everyone can make tens of millions of
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: dollars or maybe be as successful as like you or
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: I can. But I do believe most people, if they,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: you know, find something they like, put in a lot
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: of hours, like a ridiculus amount hours, consume you know,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: basically everything's available on the internet. Now, consume all knowledge
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: available on how to be good at certain thing, and
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: then you know, do a thousand iterations on it. Then
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: they can come out the other side and do it
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: for a living, you know what I mean. Like I
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: feel like they're but most people aren't exposed to that
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: kind of I mean, to be honest rhetoric, like they
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: think still, you know, their parents went to college gagery
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: that's how you get a job, and so a lot
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: of people today because obviously your parents educate you and
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: teach a lot of these things. And I'm not saying
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: college is bad, just think it's the same pathway, and
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: then they get in a lot of debt and they
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: don't fully realize that, you know, if you just like
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: there are like, you know, certain content creators that might
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: blow up in two years, and there are others like
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: me that take ten years, and it's just like a
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: distribution chart and you know, probably the average somewhere in
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: the middle, and you just have to like there's no
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: like set time frame you can give yourself. But if
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: you're surrounded with other people obsessed with the certain thing
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: you're obsessed over whatever it is, you put in ten
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: thousand hours and in those ten thousand hours you do
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: a thousand iterations and you consume all knowledge available on it.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, the better you do it, the
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: further to the right, like the two year mark, you
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: being able to do it for a career. But you
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: know it's sometimes it will take longer and you just
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: have to give yourself enough time in it, but eventually
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: you can make it happen. And I think that just
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: more young people need to hear that, really, because they
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: just don't even really the dots don't connect in their
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: mind that that's really even an option, right.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a completely new career path, right and the
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: only way that people really can get a map of
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: the territories from someone like you who's gone through the
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: very early days of it, and they could show, hey,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: not only is this guy successful, he's fucking hyper successful.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: Like this is not a dream, like this is a possibility.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: You just have to figure out your version of what
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: he did.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a process, but I would argue it's
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: not even just for content creation, like if you wanted
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: to be an accountant or really anything. Really it's like
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: just put in a lot of hours, do a lot
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: of iterations, surround yourself with great people, and obsess with right,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: stay focused, consume it, and then recognize like you might
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, well this person did it in ten months,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: why is it taking me so long? It's just it's
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: average and statistics and just give yourself enough timeframe. And
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: it's hard to Again, I'm not saying you'll make tens
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: of millions of dollars, but if you want to do
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: that thing for a living, it's if you follow those
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: those you know, traits like it's gonna happen eventually, because.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: Well, you have to be process oriented, not goal warrented.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: You know, the process is getting better at stuff. The
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: goal of being financially secure comes with it eventually. But
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: if you think I want X amount of money, well
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna think about. You're not gonna think
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: about the actual thing you're making, so it won't be
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: as good, so you probably never get there. You go, yeah,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: and this is you know, one of the cool things
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: about owning a comedy club is that we've set up
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: the club so there's a real path, Like these people
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: understand how you can become professional, because becoming a professional
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: when I first started was this very vague, weird thing,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: like you never no one knew how it was done.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: Like you went to open mic nights, You did open mic.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: Now how do I get paid? How do I ever
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: be a professional? Someone has to ask you to go
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: with them on the road, and then you wind up
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: getting mentored by another comedian, which is nice because they
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: usually need opening acts. And that's kind of how we
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: did it. But what we set up at the comedy club,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: we have a real creative director, this guy Adam Eagan,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: who is the creative director at the Comedy Store, the
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: town coordinator he watches all the open micers and he
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: finds people that are good. We have two nights of
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: open mic nights and then we have kill Tony. So
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: we have kill Tony the Show, which is every Monday
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: where these people pull a random name out of a
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: bucket and you have a show, the best fucking show ever. Yeah,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: and these people get to do one minute a stand
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: up and if it blows up and they do well,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: they get to come back. And if they get to
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: come back, then all of a sudden, millions of people
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: have seen them do stand up and now they're selling
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: out comedy clubs and they have real careers. And some
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: of these people were just grinding it out. And you know,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: my friend Dedrick Flynn, he was out in Atlanta doing it,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: and my friend Ari Matty was in Estonia and they
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: went to Australia for ten years, just grinding trying to
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: make it in comedy. Gets on kill Tony. Boom, Now
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: he has a career. It's incredible.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: And I don't recognize those names, but like as me,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: have a case study. Right, if they're doing stuff or other,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: I never would to see it, But if they're on
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: kill Tony, I'll see it.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: There are millions of people like me that we're not
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: like we're casual comedy watchers, right, I don't you know,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: maybe I watch Netflix special here there and I watch
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: Kill Tony and so like, if you don't exist in
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: one of those two things, you just don't exist in
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: my world. And there's so many people like me.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people now like that particularly, and
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: we wanted to set up a network. We wanted to
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: set up like a real pathway where these people can
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: you can see hey, other people like like like Cam Patterson,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: he was a dorman at the Comedy Store and now
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: he's on Saturday at Live or dorm at the Mothership
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: rather and now he's on Saturday at Live. He started
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: out at the Mothership. I mean he's working there as
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: an employee and he's funny, and yes because of Kiltny exactly,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: but there's multiple versions of that now that are coming
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: out of the club. And so we wanted to set
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: it up like that. So you still have to do
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: all the work, but we want to like like illuminate
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: the pathway exactly. There's a clear path.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: Well because it's a different skill sets, right, like being
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: able to get attention and get in front of people
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: might be a different skill set than being funny and
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: being able to make him laugh and you know, the
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: things that make a great comic. And so it also
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: makes it a little straightforward for people who might be
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: just world class in and one comics, but they don't
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: know how to scraunge up enough money to travel the
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: world and do all these things and smart enough to
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: figure it out. And so like handling that part because
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like as a viewer,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: I just want to watch funny people, right.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: There's also you have to be able to see other
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: people who have done it already and how they did it.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: So because of a guy like Cam Patterson goes from
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: being a doorman at the Mothership to now being on SNL,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: people see it and they go, oh, it can be done.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: What did he do well? He kept killing every time
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: he got on stage. So that's what I gotta do.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: I gotta work on my set, really grind it out.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: And I was with this guy three years ago, and
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: now this guy is rich and he's famous, Like this
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: is amazing. He was poor, just like me, like literally
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: working for you know.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you pay well.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I mean doing road gigs and doing
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: whatever you can. Guys are barely getting by. But that's
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: the key. It's like you gotta know, oh that it's possible.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: And before someone like you became, you know, a real
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: content creator. But imagine just trying to explain to someone
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: what your YouTube show, what your goal was. Imagine this.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: Imagine fifteen years ago, you sitting down with someone when
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: you're thirteen years old and trying to explain, I want
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: the show to have hundreds of millions of subscribers. I
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: want billions of hours consumed worldwide. I wanted to be
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: like one of the biggest shows in human history, and
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it on YouTube. You're out of your
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: fucking mind. Yeah right, yeah.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: Well and back then, like viral videos back then were
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: like two million views, right, and so like if you
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: would have said back then, I want to get one
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: hundred million views of video, like I mean, people would
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: call you the lunatic, like you're just delusional, not even delusional,
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: like a certified like lunatic, like you're not even living
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: in reality.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: But now that you've paid the path and then you've
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: shown people that it can be done, now you.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: See everyone's just a lot more confidence to rein.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: It's a real career path. It's a real career path
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: if you pursue it the way someone pursues learning how
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: to play guitar and being in a band, Like do
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: it the right way I want to be a pilot
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: would have to do. I gotta go pilot school to
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: do the work, go through the process.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: Like actually or I mean, I don't know if it's factually,
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: but it's like millions of people over the next ten
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: years that will you know, find a job, you know,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: being a creator or working for creators, right, I know, yes,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: I mean dozens of dozens of creators who are hiring
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: dozens of people each. I have one hundred and fifty
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: open recks in my business. I mean they're you know,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: these creators. Hundreds of thousands people are going to become
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: creators themselves full time, and those creators aren to hire
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: millions of employees over the next you know, decade or so.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: So even if you which is what I see a
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: lot of people who try to become a creator who
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: end up feeling they end up being phenomenal you know,
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: partners or employees for uh other creators, right, and they're
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: the space is growing so big, and there's just so
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: much demand for it because not everyone who did stuff
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: in traditional Hollywood, you know, acclimates as well over here,
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: so there's just so much Like everyone I know just
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: needs like five or six people. So it's like it's
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: a pretty useful thing. And it's like almost like the
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: equival of getting a taller Sugarte. Right, if you're a
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: teenager now and you put in five thousand hours, five
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: hundred iterations, you obsess over this thing, blah blah. You
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: come out the other end, even if you don't make
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: it as a YouTuber, you know, you know how to
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: edit now, you know how to tell a story. Now
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: you have all these characters traits, and yeah, some other
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: YouTube will peak you off a heartbeat.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. And it's also it's this is the
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: new Hollywood.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: I mean this is really I mean literally now for
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: of the biggest films came from creators. It's like not
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: even like it is like a factual thing. Now some
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: of the biggest new ips are coming out of them. Yeah,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: it's where all the viewership is going. I mean when
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: I was on this podcast last time, it was probably
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: like whatever one point eight billion people use YouTube every month.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: Now it's over three billion, you know.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: I mean it's growing and it's not slowing down. It's
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: growing more and more and more, which is what I
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: said would happened, you know last time I was on here,
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: and what I still believe, like I don't think these
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: things are peaked. I think they're going to keep growing.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's just what younger people use. They
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: they've never watched television, which is obvious to me and
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: you but you know, but to some older people who
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: still watch you know, news and get it through there,
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: it still blows their mind that they're like they never
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: used k And it's like like a fifteen year old
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: right now outside of like you know, watching an NBA
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: game or an NFL game, has never used cable television.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: They've never even seen it. Like they don't even fully understand.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: Like they're like like sometimes when I'm talking to like
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: a younger person, like if I'm like trying to get
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: a gauge of what do you think of our new video,
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: Like I'll just ask like, have you ever watched cable television?
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: To see what they say?
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: And like no, And I'll explain to them that there's
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: like two to three minutes of commercial breaks, kind of
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: like when you watch NBA, but instead of like a
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: sporting event, it's like entertainment. And they'll be like, why
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: why would you do that? Why would you like why
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: would you put like three minutes of ads every four minutes?
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, that's just how things were, And
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: they're like, why.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: It's so dumb that they still do it that way. Yeah, well,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: it really is so dumb.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: It makes no sense.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: Yea, it makes no sense. You don't have to do
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: it that way. They could probably make as much money
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: through product placement and having an ad at the beginning
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: and doing it and you probably get more retention, you
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: probably get more views, Like no one is going to
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: sit and watch CBS craziers.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: You would have to pay money to You'd have to
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: pay like fifty dollars a month for cable to then
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: have like thirty three percent of what you consume be ads,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: which is a higher ratio than when you watch YouTube,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: which is free. It's like, it's kind of wow, and
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: then you wonder why people are moving in hundreds of
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: millions of droves over to this new form that's just.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, and then there's podcasts, which is like, how
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: many podcasts are there now?
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: Millions obviously, but how many one? Yeah, obviously there's millions, But.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: I mean the barrier to entry is the lowest, Like,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: at least what you're doing is complex. Yeah, you know,
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: it's I mean, you've created a show, you have game shows,
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: you have charity shows, you're giving way stuff, you have
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: a bunch of crazy things. You guys, do you have tasks?
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: You have you have to plan it out. Podcasts, you're
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: just sitting down, like we talked for five minutes before
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: we started this podcast.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we said, hi, good to see you, gave me
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: some caffeine to give me cracked down.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: And let's go. And that's it. Like, so this is
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: zero preparation other than you know, the preparation that the
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: host does beforehand. But if the difference between that kind
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: of preparation the kind of preparation involved in one of
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: your shows, it's fucking immense. And so the barrier to
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: entry just to be someone who's a content creator like
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: a podcaster is how many podcasts are there? Let's guess, Oh,
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: if you how many do you think there are Jamie
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: Active podcasts? How many have been uploaded this week.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: That's what you know. Active.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still posting on him.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say seven million or something like that. That's crazy. Yeah,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: that's crazy.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: I would guess to active probably one one million.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: Please please put this. This is what I want to know.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: How many podcasts we're active in two thousand and nine. Oh,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: let's guess that.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, put that into our.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: AI sponsor perplexity. Perplexity probably has the answer to that.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: What they sponsor you guys.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how you had the founder on.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, also because he's cool, I talked to him
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: and we started talking about ancient Hindu mythology. I was like, dude,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be a cool guest.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: I have a download. I haven't listened yet.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: It is really fascinating. Guy. We were talking about these
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: temples in India, and I've been down these multiple rabbit
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: holes about these temples that they carved out of a
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: single song. Two thousand and nine, there were sixty nine
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: thousand podcasts.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: Holy, but that's not active. That just means sixty nine
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: in the Apple's directory, So that means roughly seventy thousand
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: people had done one at some point. But then yeah,
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: I would wager a small percentage we're actually active at
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: Still, that's a lot. So that's when I started.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: So now what is it now that I'm curious now
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six? How many podcasts are there? Oh?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: I bet seven million?
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna up my guest. I'm an up mind
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: to ten million worldwide. I'm up in mine to ten
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: Say?
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: So? Since two thousand and nine, there were sixty nine
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: thousand versus several million shows today depending on the database
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: you look at. Okay, well, what is the number though?
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: Four point five to four point seven million podcast shows
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: globally as of twenty twenty six.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I'd be curious of how many people
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: do content creation full time?
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: I'm wonderful.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: Oh that's question. Okay, let's let's figure that out.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and make a living.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: Let's guess how many people make a living doing content
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: creation in.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: Two thousand and nine versus now. I'd say two thousand
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: and nine, maybe zero, yeah, or a thousand or something?
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: You know, I was, I was a little good.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: I'll say five thousand.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe five. Content creation is like a very online
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: content creation. Yeah, but the problem is that's like bloggers
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: and yeah.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: Through social media.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, two thousand and nine.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: Social media is just coming out right, you're right, So
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: let's let's just think let's just not even think about that.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: Let's just think about today. How many people are professional
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: content creators today? Let's guess I say twenty five million.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: I would say lower probably eight let's see what eight million. Yeah,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: that's probably one of the barrier or entry you're making
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: me look up here.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 5: It's also tough in the US, like taxpayers, people who
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 5: are like filing.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: Just like worldwide, how many people do content creation full time?
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Just just how many content create How many
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: professional content creators are there worldwide? Slept perplexity? Try to
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: figure it out.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 5: I will, but I'm just like, it's I don't know,
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 5: I know what it's going to do.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: So it's not what do you think it's going to do.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: It's going to freak out and it's going to say there's.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: A lot see what it says though.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: That's going to say the same sort of thing.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 5: What does professional mean?
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, people that make a living, they pay their bills
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: off of content creation. It's not a I know, it's
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: not a great question. But let's just see what it says,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: just out of curiosity. It might have an answer. How
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: would it know, really, it could guess because it guests
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: there four million.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: It's probably just going to look for any database online.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: Eight to twelve million professional content creators worldwide, depending upon
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: how professional is defined, Roughly two hundred three hundred million
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: people identify as content creators globally in twenty twenty six.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, man, holy shit?
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: Are they making money or are they right?
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this seems relatively like it got the gist though.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it got it. It wasn't a problem, Jamie, you
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: were pessimistic.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: Wait, we don't have an answer.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: It's given us three hundred million rough data. The rough
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: data is eight to twelve million professional content creators. Two
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: hundred and three hundred million people identify as content creators.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: So out of those, which kind of makes sense that,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: you know, a small percentage of them are going to
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: be able to figure out how to make a living
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: entirely off of it. One analyst estimates that about four
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: percent of creators are professional, meaning they treat content creation
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: as their main job and earn a full time living.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: So that's that makes sense. Yeah, that seems about right,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: And that's about right with kind of a lot of things.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of people try it, and a small
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: amount of people actually, Like, if you think about how
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: many people if you go to an open mic night
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: in stand up comedy, and how many people are actively
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: participating in open mic nights where they visit one or
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: two open mics a week, and how many will eventually
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: become professional stand up comedians and make a living off
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: of it, You're probably in the same range of like
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: four percent or something like that, probably less.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: But the interesting part is that number is going to
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: keep skyrocketing year over year. I don't see any signs
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: that any of this stuff is slowing down.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: And so especially if people see that this is a
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: real path, this isn't a pie in the sky dream.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of I.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: Mean, at this point, if they don't see it, then
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I mean,
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: I'm literally spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: or investing hundreds of millions of dollars a year into content,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: and so I mean, it shows what the ever bounds
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: look like.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: Well, you're really wise in that regard is that you
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: spend so much money dumping it back into the business,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: and by doing that, your content is just so much
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: more advanced than anybody else's. And that's such a big
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: risk because a lot of people would say, I'm making
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: all this money, who knows when this is going to end.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: Let me squirrel this away and make sure that I've
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: got money saved up forever. You just like, fuck it,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: let's just.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: Spend to go hard. Well, it's what I used to
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: call the creators would back in the day reach like
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: five million subscribers, and then it was a real inflection
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: point that I would notice where they'd either keep growing
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: or that's where they'd start to teeter off, because it's
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: around the time where they'd start to make good money,
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: and it's either like Okay, now they have a house,
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: they have a car paid off, and like the ones
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: that were really money motivated, they kind of got that
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: security and so that that burning fire that was pushing
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: them to do crazy things like kind of yeah, start
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: to die off, and like it's like the Fermi paradox.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: Like for quite a few people, it's around that range
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: is where you see like your favorite creators start to
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: get lazy, upload less, not put as much effort, and
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: not care as much and so but yeah, I never
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: really had any of that. I just like, you know,
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, like I probably talked about last time we're
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: on here, I used to live in an apartment that
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: I would share that was seven hundred and twenty dollars
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: a month, so like three six of your rent. And
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: I drove a two thousand and six Dodged dur Ango
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: that cost a couple thousand bucks, and I just didn't
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: have any liabilities. So I was just like, screw it.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: I'll just keep my lifestyle cheap so I can just
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: reinvest it all.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: And you know, that's so wise. Most people don't do that,
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: and most people don't have the discipline to work as
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: much as you do.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, and the carter part too, is when
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: you have the pressure of your parents and stuff, and
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm weird.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 3: Like when my mom would I.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: Mean as sad as it sounds like, she would literally
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: cry sometimes and be like I'm just so worried you're
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: gonna lose everything, like what if these video stop getting views?
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, would come over me, but I'd
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: be like it'll be fine, mom, don't worry, and I
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: just like, very commonly just say it to her. I
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: wouldn't argue with her. I'd be like, just just have faith.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you were right.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: I know it weren't great now, but it's up to parents.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: Parents always worry about their.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: Kids exactly, So I don't think it's like she was
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: doing anything wrong, but all purposes like she was doing
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: the right thing. It's just she also have to overcome
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: that pressure as well, because there's so many forces around
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: you where even if you believe in yourself, all it
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: takes is one person like saying something like that puts
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: self doubt in you, and then you're like, yeah, you know,
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: but that's where I'm a big believer. If you really
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: want it, just keep your liabilities low, like live below
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: your means and that way, it's like, you know, it's
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: a little easier to be riskier if you aren't. You know,
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: have all these things you got off forward because what
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: really changes if you fail.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: That's definitely smart, But there's something happens also to people
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: where just the concet grind of work, it diminishes their
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: enthusiasm and they lose their perspective, They lose this perspective
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: of God, you're so fortunate to be able to do this,
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: You're so fortunate exactly, and people just get really complacent.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: It's it's so easy for people to just forget how
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: fortunate they are to be able to do what they're doing.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they admitted sometimes I get hit with that
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: where you know, it'll be a late day of shooting
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: and I'm in an airport and you know, a bunch
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: of people are following me around and filming me, and
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, you know, and you get those thoughts
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: in your head where it's like, this is really the
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: life I wanted, and you like start to like be
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: like ah, you kind of regret your decisions, but then
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: you got to like snap out of and you're like, Okay,
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: Like the small subset of time, yeah, it might be brutal,
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: but for the most part, I'm doing dope stuff Like
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: I'm in the Pyramids, I'm in the Roman Coliseum, I'm
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: doing like beautiful, amazing things, and I get to entertained
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: and help people, and it's like and you just have
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: to I think it's very important you're around people who, like,
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: if you have a group of people around you who
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: when you get in those nag up thought loops, encourage
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: it and help you spiral. It's bad. But people who
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: are which you know, not everyone in my spots position
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: has like people who are you know, willing to tell
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: them how it is right, who are just like, bro,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: grow up, like it's fine, you know, this will be
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: done in twenty minutes, and then you know your life's
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: pretty good. Like you know, it's it's like a it's
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: a weird thing, like you really because like I've had
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: some of those conversations with people where I give them
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: the perspective and I can tell like they haven't had
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: that perspective feed to them in a very long time,
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: and you can see it in their eyes. Will be like, yeah,
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: you're right, and it's like, yeah, you really need some
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: like better people around you because you feel like you're
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: you're like spiraling in these like really weird thoughts, but
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: like if you look at it objectively, it's not as
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: bad as you think.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: That's the really difficult resource resource to acquire is being
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: around positive people, powerful people, people that really get things done,
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: and people that are motivating and people that are really exciting.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: That's because so many people have fast things so many
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: people do just enough, just barely enough. You're supposed to
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: go all the way, you go three quarters of the way.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: You know, so many people, so many people just they
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: don't they And but if you're around someone who really
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: gets at it, really is enthusiastic and really is powerful
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: and very positive, then it's contagious.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: It literally is. It's infectious, and it makes something mundane
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: honestly fun too, and especially if you respect each other,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: and then it.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: Just like it really compounds.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: And so it's so important, like even at this stage,
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: like I say, for newer, younger entrepreneurs or people trying
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: to be content creators or friend groups everything, even at
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: the stage I'm at, it really is because you are
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: like you think, speak, talk, act like the people you're around,
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: and like they say, show me the five people around
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: the most, I'll show you what your future is. And
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: it applies at every level, you know.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so my friend Brian Simpson has a great saying.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: He says, you can't be your own boss and be
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: a shitty employee.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: Wait elaborate on that.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: So if you work for yourself, if like you're the
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: one who's out there doing it, you like, so you
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: don't work for anybody, but you also can't be a
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: fucking lazy, half ass employee. It's like, you can't be
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: both things. He goes, if you're going to be your
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: own boss, you better be a great employee. And I
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: was like, oh shit, Like you can't be your own
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: boss and a shitty employee. Like if you are going
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: to work for yourself, you've got to get some shit done,
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: because that's a very rare position to be a person
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: that works for themselves do the thing you actually love
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: to do. And I think one of the things that's
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: really powerful about this time, as opposed to any other
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: time in history, is that there's so many conversations like
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: this where you get to hear from a guy like
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: you who is doing that. So people, young people who
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: are listening to this right now, they listen to you, like,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: the fucking mister beast is just getting after it. Man,
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: I want to do that instead of like hanging out
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: with your friend and just get stoned a place called
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: duty all day and is always complaining about everything in
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: his life. But meanwhile he doesn't do anything. They're like,
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: that's not how I want to think and behave, But
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: that guy is And so you get examples outside of
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: your own personal social circle, because maybe they don't know
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: a mister Beast, maybe they don't know someone who's out
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: there doing whatever they want to do with their life,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: but they get examples of it online and they can
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: listen to these people talk and then get inspired exactly.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: And I would assume you have a lot of parents
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: who watch these that you know have kids, and I
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: would encourage the parents to, like the last three minutes
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: of what he just said there, like maybe play that
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: for your kids. And I can like go on top
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: of it to say, because I agree, I don't think
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: enough young people get exposure to this kind of mindset
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: that you know, you it really is time friend group,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: you know, iterations on certain thing and consuming all knowledge available.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: It's those four things and do those four things and
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: like you'll make it further than you can imagine. And like,
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: you know, there's outliers like you. This is what like
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: skews a lot of people's perceptions. They'll find an outlier
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: of like, well, this person became very hyper successful in
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: this thing, but they didn't do those four things. And
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: there's there's outliers everywhere. But if you look at statistically
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: the average, Right, the person listened to that, you're not
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: gonna be this one in a million freak outlier statistically.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: You know, if you want to make a good income
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: doing something you're not currently doing and you're not currently
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: very knowledgeable in it or have much experience, it's just
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: those four things. Find those people put in the time do.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: But it's like, if you just listen to every Joe
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: Rogan podcast, you're not gonna be a great podcaster. So
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: it's time plus iterations, right, you would have to go
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: do An example of that would be do five hundred
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: mark podcasts while also can zsoming all of Joe Rogan's podcasts. Right,
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: So you're doing both while also consuming all knowledge available
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: about podcasts. Will also surrounding yourself with other people who
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: want to be podcasts and then yes, this podcast might
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: have blown up in a year, but statistically that's not
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: You have to give yourself like the average might be
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: four or five years, and some people like me take
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: ten years. And you just have to be so in
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: love with the journey that you're cool with it. You're
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: just like, I'm just going to do it till it
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: works out, and you know, it could be as soon
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: as this one't the likely you'll be here, but there's
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: a chance it could be there. And if that freaks
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: you out and then scares you, then you probably don't
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: love it enough. But if you're like, well, i'll have
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: fun while i'm doing it, then yeah, do those four
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: things over the long horizon. And you know, again, you
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: probably won't make a hundred million dollars, but if you
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: want to make one hundred thousand dollars a year or whatever,
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: it's not out of the realm of possibility. And just
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: those sentences alone, for a young person they hear it,
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: it opens like a third eye in their mind where
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: they've just been told their whole life, go to college,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: get a job. This doesn't even exist to them.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, again, it's like you have to be
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: concerned about the process and doing the thing that you
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: love to do and trying to get better at it.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's like if you say, let's say
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: you want a million dollars, well, you could win the lottery.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: You might win the lottery, but the odds are very low.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: Or you could find a bunch of people that work
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: really hard, and what do they do well, they just
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: kept working hard and they figured out what it is
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: they do and they made money. Like, yeah, that's probably
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: more likely. So just going the general direction and who knows.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: Along the way, you might hit it quick, something might
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: happen really quick, or you might figure something out. You
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: might be an outlier. But the point is the process
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: is available, and the process is available to anybody. You
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: just keep doing something, you'll get better at it. Be objective,
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: be self analytical, like recognize what you're doing wrong and
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: what you're doing right, and get better at it and
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: constantly try to improve. And just because something doesn't exist
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: as what is your occupation you know in a form
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: from two thousand and one, doesn't mean it's not a
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: real job, you know, just because you can't tell you
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: you know, if I told people at a cocktail party
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine that are, oh, I'm a podcaster,
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: like that means zero. You tell them today they go, oh, amazing,
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: how long you've been doing that? You like, it's a
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: job now, right, So how did it become a job
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: a job? Because people figured out how to make it
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: a job and they did it and it worked, and
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: so there's a process. So that process exists with virtually
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: anything you want to do that somebody does for a living.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: I don't care if it's rock and roll star, stand
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: up comedian, novelist. There's a thing out there that you
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: want to do that someone is making a living. But meanwhile,
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: there's going to be people who's like, all the odds
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: you're making it and not like, okay, is that what
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: we're doing. We're just walking playing odds, but the odds
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: you're dying are one hundred percent.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: So once you adopt this mindset, though, then the naysayers
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: go from being brutal to actually being good, because now
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: the naysayers are what stop other people from doing the
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: thing you're doing, which actually increases your odds. Right, So,
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: once you get over the hump where you know, you
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: reach a certain point where you know someone as you're
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: going on the client like where someone going this is stupid,
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: this is unrealistic, or whatever, where you just like it
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: starts to feel like it goes from something that makes
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: you nervous and keep you up at night to like
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: you don't even really care anymore because you've just heard
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: it so many times. And then it's like, but there
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: are people who hear it, and they quit and so
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: it's technically a benefit for you. So I like to
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: always not always, but I know a lot of things,
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: I like to try to spin it as like a
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: positive too, Like this thing that's annoying, Well, what's the
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: positive side of it? And the positive is technically will
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: make less people do the thing you're doing, which makes
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: it easier for you.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: But I guess it does, but I don't ever think
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: that way. I just think if someone can do it,
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: you can do it. And the problem is you have
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: to make sure that you're not spending too much time
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: doing it the wrong way. And so that's where it
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: helps that someone's already paved the path.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean if you can get a mentor.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: Here's the real question. So two thousand and nine content creators,
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: there's fucking very few of them, right, What are we missing? Like,
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: is what is going to be a job that no
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: one sees coming that's going to be like a content
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: creator or a YouTube creator ten fifteen years from now,
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I mean it would have to be something
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: with AI that haven't even see.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: So what could it even be? Like? What would it
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: be that people are missing that other people are gonna.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: It's changing so quick, like my brain can't even comprehend it.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: Like nobody even thought only fans would be a possibility
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: that there'd be a large amount of girls that just
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: show their naked body for a living. Yeah, I mean,
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: and not even for a living, like most of them
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: don't even get paid very much. But a lot of
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: them have only fans pages something some crazy number. It's
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: like ten percent of girls eighteen to whatever have only fans.
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: Is that in the US?
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow, it's a nutty number.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and an enormous number of people subscribe. Yeah. I
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: think it's like literally half of American males have at
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: one point in time subscribe to only fans. That can't
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: be real, that's I think it's like one hundred and
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: fifty million.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: Holy crap.
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's crazy. I think the numbers are
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: crazy high.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, where my head's going.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: If we're trying to predict the future, maybe it would
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: be like AI filmmaker is or like something like that,
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: but I don't even put.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are you doing there? You're doing just
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: recreating the pomps and making things like yeah, lame, but
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: what are we missing? Because the YouTube thing. Nobody saw
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: that coming. Yea podcast thing, nobody saw that coming either.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 5: New though, it's just range the money, yeah, just the
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 5: money from a normal ad boy.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: What also centralized it in the like where Playboy was
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: always a thing where you had to get picked by Playboy,
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: you know. Now all you have to do is just
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: take a photo.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: Of your box and there's always the local.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but it's not centralized like only fans
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: is where you go there and there's like thousands and
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many more than that content creators,
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Time will tell, Yeah, time
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: will tell. But uh, it's just such a fascinating world
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: that we live in where the number one most watched
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: show in the world is yours. Like you have the
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: number one why, well, if it's on YouTube, then it's
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: the number one most watched show period. Yeah, it's in
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: the known universe. Well, right now, you're the most watched
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: person in the known universe.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: I opened it up on the way because I figured
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: we'd talked about the size of the show in the
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: last ninety days on just just our main channel. It's
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: like around eight hundred and fifty million unique people have watched
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: a video in the last quarter.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, we're doing around four billion views.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, eight hundred and fifty million people is so crazy.
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 2: Uniques too, because we do. We did around twelve billion
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: views the last ninety days on just the main channel.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: And of those twelve billion views, like whatever, eight percent
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: of them are different humans, so it's like factually like
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: eight hundred and fifty million. Like when I say that,
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: people are like, oh, that's eight hundred and fifty million views,
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: so like you know, eighty million, but no, it's twelve
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: billion views, eight hundred and fifty million unique. So it's
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: just like it's crazy, man. And it's like, what's fascinating
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: is you like ten years ago, like even with cable
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: or whatever, twenty years ago, eight hundred and fifty million
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: people didn't use the same platform, right right, It's like
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't have even been able to reach that many people,
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: even if you were the biggest inn It's like a
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: very interesting time where essentially as internet usage grows worldwide
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: outside of China, so does YouTube usage because if you
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: google something, YouTube pops up, or you know, now if
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: you're gymnaying something, you know they'll eventually have youtubere if
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: you buy an Android phone, which most phones have their
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: operating system youtub'es there. So like everyone, just as you
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: use the Internet, you end up on YouTube. And so
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: that's why you know, even though it's whatever theoretically three
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: point two billion monthly active users, I would be shocked
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: if they didn't hit four billion in a couple of
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: years and keep growing.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: Like it shows no signs of stopping as the Internet's growing.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: And so it's like to be number one on this
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 2: platform that is basically mirrored to the Internet is like
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: it's it's like it's crazy, it's it's it's a really
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: wild opportunity.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: And because it's a platform where anyone can upload, the
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: variety of content is extraordinary because there's no gatekeepers, like
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of it's trash and nonsense. But there's so
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 1: many interesting shows. Yeah, there's so many interesting shows on science,
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: on cosmology, on history, on fill in the blank. There's
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: so many people that just have a passion for a
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 1: certain thing and they made a channel, and now that
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 1: channel all of a sudden, as.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: Our millionages are very similar to probably I have so
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: many like old history videos or it's like some old
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: guy that's just breaking down over to battle scenes or whatever. Agreed,
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: and like they go as niche as possible down to
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: like this is like the most you know, the largest
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: fights in history, and like a ranking of like ten
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: you know, Deadly's fights or yeah, like I would say,
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: like a third of my homepages, like just history videos
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: was here.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: YouTube uploads users upload roughly five hundred hours of video
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: every minute.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, not to be that guy, that's that's a very outdated,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: I believe, but maybe or or actually no, no, sorry,
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: So people watch a billion hours a day on YouTube,
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: I believe, so this is upload never mind, this might
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 2: be aggress.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: So five hundred hours of video every minute, three thirty
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 1: thousand hours per hour uploaded. Seven hundred and twenty thousand
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: hours are uploaded per day. Watching just one day's new
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: uploads would take over eighty two years day. Whoa YouTube? YouTube?
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the twenty million videos upload a day.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: That's quoting. That was probably before shorts. I bet you
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: now that so many people are posting you know, shorts,
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: it's probably like way higher.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: Now that's nuts, But I mean, what's what we're talking about,
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: Like having a platform like that where anybody can upload anything.
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: It just makes the variety so intense. Yeah, Like there's
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: anything you want to watch, any video you want to
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: watch on Nature, any video you want to watch on
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: you have a question about science, just put it in there,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: and there's some guy who's got a fucking one and
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: a half hour lecture on exactly it's nuts.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: And that's the beauty to tie everything together as like
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: a bo That's why you can learn anything and you
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: can do anything you want for a living for the
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: most part if you allocate the tide.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: Because it's all there.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: There's literally on YouTube Harvard classes that are recorded the
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: same thing you would go into crippling debt to walk like,
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: to attend is literally there for free, right, It's all there.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: All knowledge is available there and if you you know
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: it's it's not easy, right, No one's laying out like
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: like how you're doing with the Mothership. Here's a to
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: z on how you could become a cam Patterson. It's
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: not necessarily there, which is why it's hard, but you can.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: All the ingredients are there, you just have to go
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: collect and put them together and put in the work
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: and to get a disease being you know, the career
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: you want to do it's because all the knowledge is
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: there ever, Like even I've literally gone on podcasts countless
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: times and said everything I know about YouTube with no
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: gatekeeping whatsoever. I've literally had people where was it. I
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: was in some gym this I think it was in
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: La or whatever, in between shoots, just working out, and
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: a guy literally came up to me and no idea
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: who he is, but he's like, I have three million
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: subscribers on YouTube. I started like eighteen months ago, and like,
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: I just listened to one of your podcasts and I
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: just did like exactly what you said, and I got
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: a friend group. I started obsessing over it and you know,
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: and I did like these analytical things and I just
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: like quit my job a couple of months ago, and
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, no, shot, this is like a coincidence.
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: You were like, you're like tracking me or anything. He's
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: like no, and he's in Jim close sweat. He's like,
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: I was just running on the treadmill and I just
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 2: wanted to tell you that, Like, I literally just quit
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: my job and I'm making more money because I just
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: listened to one of your podcasts and I was like whoa,
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 2: and it was It's crazy. But I've had experiences like
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: that countless times where like these these things, which why
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: I'm so passionate about sharing it like opens people's minds.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, I just I didn't realize that
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 2: was a possibility in life.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: You know. Well that's you're you're coming from life with
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 1: a with a perspective of feast, not famine. And that's
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: the good thing about it that there's there's enough opportunity
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: for everybody.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: And I have a country in view on that because
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of creators do see other creators as competitors.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: But I've always been like, like, if someone's doing well,
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: I don't get threatened. I'm like, yo, let's just film
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: together like collaborators is not competitors. Like what there's literally
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 2: trillions of views going on. If you think this person
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: getting an extra even if they crush it billion views
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: a year, has any impact on me, Like, you're crazy,
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 2: It has no impact, right, there's I mean people are
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: sometimes spending four five hours you know, a day consuming content, Right,
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 2: they watched their little twenty minute video, you know that
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 2: they upled every two weeks. No impact whatsoever. And so
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 2: I think it And I was really the first person
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: to kind of adopt that mindset, and more people are
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 2: doing it now. But yeah, that's why I go and
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: share everything, like literally to a t and like I'll
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: help people make you know, some people end up making
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 2: millions of dollars that I've helped mentored, And I'm just like, yeah,
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: it's just fun, you know. Because they always ask me
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: like why are you doing it? I'm like, why not?
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 3: You know what, I mean, what's what's there?
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: It's only positive. It's an abundance mindset and that I
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 1: think the Internet encourages that. Fortunately, because television is the
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: opposite of that. So television the problem was there's only
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: a certain amount of slots. So if the Mister b
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 1: Show was on NBC and then there was another guy
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: who was on CBS, he might also be at eight
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: pm on Wednesdays, You're like, fuck that guy.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, true, and now I'm gonna give him a c Yes.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: You would never. But because the fact that YouTube is
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 1: available literally to anybody, and the amount of people that
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: are viewing it is so immense, it's an abundance and
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 1: you treat it like that, and it actually just makes
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 1: you grow.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: Exact because also if you share with people, they'll share
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: with you. And there's no one who will at this
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 2: point in my career, you know, be able to go
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: tell me something that will make me ten percent better.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: But there are infinite amounts of people can make me
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: a better storyteller or better you know at like you know, leader,
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: a better communicators, better at set design.
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 3: And it's like it's more about grabbing those point one.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: Percents here and there and like adding them together, and
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: so like, you know, sometimes I'll give someone something that
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: you know might fundamentally change everything for them, but then
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: they'll teach me something very small, and I'm like, oh,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: that's actually very useful, and if I retain it, I
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: can see how, you know, that'd be really cool, like
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: on the set design, on how we could do a background,
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 2: or like, hey, after x amount of feet, you don't
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: need as much details, so now we can put more
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: time into like the detailed stuff up front. But you know,
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: and sometimes it's being too particular and things really far,
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: Like it's all these little things that you just accumulate
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: over being around different people at different expertise, and you
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 2: just have to like, yeah, you just have to, like
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: some people don't see the value and that kind of stuff.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: But there you can learn anything or you can learn
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: something from almost anyone. And I do believe that because
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: everyone has like different things and different experiences and stuff
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: like that especial as a content creator because you're also
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: making content for millions of people. So even just learning
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: you know, what a normal person is going through or
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 2: what their life is like, is helpful for being able
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 2: to relate with them and through the content or make
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 2: something that is interesting to them. So if you approach
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: people like that where it's like I can learn something
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 2: from you no matter who it is, it's also I
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: feel like not many people take that approach either.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: Fuck yah, dude, I think your approach is very valuable
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people to hear, very valuable for
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 1: young people to hear, because if they just follow those
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 1: principles and just follow your passion and really be disciplined
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 1: and focused, you could do a lot of things in
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: this life exactly.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: You'd be like Jimmy, you could probably not statistically not,
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: but logistically not to be a person with a couple
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 2: less zeros and all the numbers of course.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also just be enjoying your life because you're
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: doing something you want. You're actually creating something yeah, and
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: something you'd be proud of and something that people enjoy
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 1: and that makes you feel good that people are enjoying
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: your work.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and speaking of something you're proud of. So since
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: the last time I was on here, a big thing
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: I've been where working on is are you aware of
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: how many kids are like working illegal child labor on
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: ca cal farms? I think last time I was on
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: here we talked that about how I sell chocolate. Yes, yeah,
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: do you know that there's over a million kids that
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: work in illegal child labor on kick cal farms?
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah?
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 2: Where in West Africa, Sokotovar and Ghana, which is where
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 2: like the majority of the world's CaCO comes from. That's uh,
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: there's Rampi childliver. You can ask perplexity. I'd love for
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: you to pull up data so we can see it
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 2: that I'm not just making it up. And when I
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: think when I last came on here was right after
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 2: I started a chocolate company, and I had no idea
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: like how bad it was. And the last few years
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 2: I've been trying to figure out how we can build
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: our own supply chain where we can actually get kids
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 2: out of illegal child labor and there's it's like really,
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're interested in it, but there's
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: like a lot of stuff I'd love to share on that.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: No, that's very cool.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So basically, if it just asked perplexity, how many
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: kids work in child labor in West Africa and kick
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 2: cal farms? Uh and uh right here one point five
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: to one point eight million people or wow children. Yeah,
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: it's uh, it's pretty wild and I had no idea,
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: and like it's like been like is for decades and
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 2: so it's so normalized in the chocolate industry that you know,
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: when I would talk to other people who work at
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: child companies or execs, they're just like, yeah, just kind
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: of is what it is. That's how it works, and.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 1: That's just how they get their chocolate. Period. Yeah.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not all the labor. It's around whatever
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: forty six percent of the labor.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: So if you were to work with how it works
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 2: is like there's well over a million farms in those areas,
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: and you don't buy from farms because they have no leverage,
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: So farms form cooperatives, so like these hundred farms will
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: gather aggregate their beings so they.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 3: Have a little leverage and they'll sell it to you.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: So you buy from a cooperative and statistically, you know,
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 2: forty six percent of those farms will have child labors,
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: some won't, some will, and so you're you're buying at
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 2: a cooperative level. And so when I went to all
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 2: the biggest distributors and everyone you know that does all
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 2: the sourcing for KEU, and I was like, so, is
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: there any way I can pay a premium and not
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 2: have little kids work on my farms? And it literally
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 2: didn't exist. And I was just so mind blown. And
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 2: it really was frustrating because they're it's just like, it's
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: not even did it not exist, Like no one really
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 2: seemed to like even think it needed to exist. I
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: was like, you guys, like these are kids, Like you
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: have no issue making billions of dollars in profit on
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 2: little kids working on the farms.
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 3: It was like a very weird thing.
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: So crazy.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: So that's most chocolate, well majority of the world's caca,
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 2: as you saw it comes from West Africa.
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: So I mean, holy shit, man, Yeah I know.
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 2: And so that's what I mean. I'm thousands of hours
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 2: deep into this. And so I met a different company
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 2: called Tony Shocaloni, who is like a reporter who you know,
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 2: started talking about this and.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, his name is Chocoalone Tony.
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 2: But the chocolate brand is Tony Schocaloni. Oh, they did
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 2: ethical sourcing and I spent a lot of time learning
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 2: from them, and like I've just been on this journey
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: with featables is how can we ethically source you know, feastables,
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 2: cacao And so we actually, this is a fun thing
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: I've never said publicly. So we we started doing working
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 2: with certain farms. But then I started around seven months
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 2: ago a big case study where we went to five
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: villages that the average child labor there was like forty
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 2: five percent, So forty five percent of the labor on
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 2: the farms in these villages was a legal child labor.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: And we we went on the doors and we collected
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: every single data point. We knocked in every door we got.
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: There's around ten thousand people that live in those five communities.
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 2: We knew everything from the child labor aids, to school
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: attendants to everything. And then we've throughout the last few
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 2: years we've just been collecting tons of data on why
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 2: kids work in child labor, how you get kids out
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 2: of child labor, which most of it comes back to poverty.
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: Big Chocolate pays farmers so little that they just can't
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 2: afford to not use children. So part of it is
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 2: there's this thing called a living income reference price, which
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: looks at the cost to actually live there, and you
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: just guarantee your So we guarantee hundred percent of our
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 2: farmers that will pay a living income reference price. And
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 2: then we work with fair Trade, which the cooperatives I
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 2: was explaining to you. Sometimes they're not democratically elected, right,
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 2: so you can pay more money. But if the cooperative
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 2: is like someone's stim skimming off money or taking it, it
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't flow through to the farmers. So we go through
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 2: we make sure it's complicated. It's like I thought this
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 2: would be an easier problem to solve. This is a
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 2: multi year journey for me. But we go to the cooperatives,
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: which again is just a collection of farms that pool
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 2: their cacals so they have more leverage so you can't
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 2: take advantage of them. And we make sure through fair
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 2: Trade that they're democratically elected cooperatives, so the farmers actually
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 2: get the money. We pay a living income reference price,
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 2: and in exchange for doing the things they have to
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: let us audit and remediate the child labor on the farms.
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 2: And so in this five village case today that we did,
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: there's around ten thousand people living in there, and about
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: seven months ago there's around five hundred and fifty kids
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 2: that were in illegal child labor in those communities. And
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 2: so then we started taking over sourcing from there. So
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: we started doing our sourcing principles and paying the farmers
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: living in reference prize. Fair Trade came in, come in,
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: started paying the premium, and now seven months later we
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: just got the initial results after we did our check
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 2: ins and some of the communities we were getting so
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 2: many kids out of child labor. There literally wasn't a
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 2: school because kids just worked on the farm. So like
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 2: some of these, we literally built a school so they
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: could go to school. Because the goal isn't just to
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: get the kids out child labor, it's also to get
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: them an education so they're not you know, because if
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: you grow up only working on a cacal farm, you
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 2: have no education, so then you're basically doomed to working
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: on it your whole life, you know, because you don't
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 2: know anything else, right, And so we just did our
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: recent wave of a check ins where we knocked on
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: all the doors, check school attendance and everything. And so
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 2: seven months ago is five hundred and fifty kids ish
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 2: roughly in illegal child labor. What do you think it was?
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 2: Basically six seven months later, we were able to get
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 2: a ninety percent reduction and get it to where there's
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 2: only like around fifty still on child labor with our
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 2: first check in. And now we constitute a kid remediate
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 2: out of child labor with two check ins. So that
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 2: was just the first one. So technically buy our books,
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: so they wouldn't be fully remediated because you know, there
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 2: might have been an accident or whatever, so we like
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 2: to double check it to make sure things are accurate,
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 2: so we'll do another check in the future. So not
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 2: technically officially remediated, but it just shows that like it's
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: possible to reduce the child labor in these areas, like dramatically, right,
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 2: Like if you were to apply the things we did there,
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 2: but macroly across the whole country. I mean you're talking
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 2: you could get swerves of hundreds of thousands of kids
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 2: out of legal child labor. And so the big way
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 2: I've been doing or been on is like step one
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: is apt to prove its possible, so then we can start.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 2: You know, I like most people, like you, they just
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 2: have no idea that there's this much rampid child labor
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 2: in chocolate.
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 1: I had no idea until you brought it up, I know.
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 2: Which is like crazy, and it's like it honestly, it
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 2: really frustrates me because no one has any idea and.
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 3: Like everyone's just kind of cool with it.
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 2: And I think part of the problem too is if
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 2: you were to google it, they use like confusing language
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 2: or they're like, yeah, this is our ethical sourcing strategy.
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, obviously most cow
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 2: is going to Big Chocolate, and you know, they can
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 2: say they're doing all these things, but factually there's all
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 2: these kids in illegal child labor. So it's like, I mean, no.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 1: One's put in the effort that you're doing what you
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 1: just said that, yeah, and so that's amazing man.
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And well that's what I'm really excited about. And
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention it a because obviously your
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 2: biggest podcast in the world, and I just want to
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: educate people on it that it's fucking crazy when you're
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 2: buying chocolate and Yeah. I'm really excited though with what
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 2: we're doing because I were essentially with Feastables, building one
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 2: of the most effective like systems for getting kids out
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 2: of illegal child lab in the world. Right by the
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 2: more cacoal we're sourcing, the more we're able to pay
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 2: a living income reference price and then audit the farms
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 2: and then get the kids into schools. And it's like,
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 2: it's pretty interesting, Like with that village you know right now,
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 2: you know it went there was a ninety percent reduction,
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 2: went from over five hundred kids in illegal ChIL labor
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 2: down to fifty. And obviously we're not done. We're going
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 2: to keep over time trying to get those fifty out
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 2: of child labor. But now imagine that if we can
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 2: keep sourcing more cacals, we keep growing, and we could
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 2: keep getting more and more kids out of legal child
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 2: laver and then eventually, because you know, I have over
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 2: a billion followers across all my platforms, you know, I
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 2: can show these case studies and then just like you know,
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 2: Great Big Chocolate into switching over because they make billions of.
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 3: Dollars a year in profit, they don't have to use
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 3: child labor.
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 2: And then you know, and I think step one is
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: showing that it's actually possible to not use it, because
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 2: right now, technically there's not really a way you could, like,
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 2: you know, I.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 1: Think what's really important is getting people to understand that
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 1: that's happening exactly, and you talking about it right now
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 1: now people will be aware of it, because I think
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 1: the vast majority of people me included were not aware.
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 1: I know, so then they hear the wait, hold on,
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 1: what about this company that I'm buying chocolate from? Are
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 1: they using child labor?
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 2: And then you know, and technically I can never like
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 2: tea stables, I can't say it's childliver free because you know,
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 2: it's not like I have security cameras on the farm.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 2: A kid could just walk on it and then you know,
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 2: well he lied, right, So I'll you'll be able to
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 2: making We're doing everything we can to make it as
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 2: ethically sourced as possible. And that's why I'm doing these
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 2: case studies where I can literally factually show like people
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 2: n I can on the doors show like without a cause. Obviously,
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 2: I know, as I start to talk about this more,
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 2: there's no doubt in my mind they're gonna assume me
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 2: because obviously Big Chocolate doesn't like the idea that people
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 2: are learning that there's so many kids in illegal child labor.
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 2: And because my megaphone's so big, they're gonna want me
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 2: to be quiet. But in a perfect world, they'd hear
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 2: these messages and they would have a soul and be like,
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 2: you're right, we shouldn't make billions of dollars in profit
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 2: off the back of the little kids. Let's just put
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 2: a little bit of the money towards getting the kids
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 2: into school and putting people that you know, aren't kids
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 2: on the farms. And so ideally that's what comes of it.
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 2: We'll see in the long run. But right now I'm
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 2: just really focused on building these case studies and really
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 2: showing like in depth exactly how they can do it.
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 2: So then hopefully they just come around to, you know,
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 2: give them the avenue to go, oh, we just didn't
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 2: know this is cool. Cool, We'll start doing it. I
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 2: mean becausethetically, there isn't really like all these Chapola companies
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 2: are so old, Like technically the people who built and
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: grew it, like the founders, they're dead, right, this is
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 2: third fourth generation people. Like some of these people have
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 2: never built a business from ground up. So maybe you
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 2: could give them a little slack and be like, they
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 2: just don't know any better, and it's a problem they
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 2: don't know how to solve.
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 1: Fuck them they know, I mean they know they have.
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 2: Trying to go over it because the world. If we
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 2: can get them all to switch, I mean.
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 1: I don't maybe force their hand. I mean maybe just
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 1: making people aware of it will help force their hand.
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 2: If I was in the biggest, biggest YouTuber in the world,
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 2: if I were, here's a crazy sentence that I do
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 2: believe to be true. If I stopped caring about this
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 2: issue and did nothing, then the one point five million
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 2: kids in illegal child labor, I guarantee it wouldn't change
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 2: it all. Like it wouldn't change it all in the
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 2: next five ten years. Like who else it's been. Look like,
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 2: look at how many kids are in illegal child labor
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 2: in West Africa on cacao farms. Oh yeah, we're we're
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 2: big chocolate scented an attack.
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 1: We've had this issue. But listen, man, it's just another
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 1: example of that you're an awesome guy, and the fact
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 1: that you don't just care about money and you really
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 1: care about doing the right thing. That you've decided to do.
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 1: This is just another example of why you're great.
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you well, and i'd want to educate people on that.
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 2: And another thing i'd also, I think is a thing
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 2: that people should hear is especially in America.
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 3: Do you know that.
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably not gonna surprise you, but forty
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 2: percent of food that's produced in America ends up getting
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 2: thrown away. I have, yeah, it's and so a lot
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 2: of what we've been doing is working with is like
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 2: working with nonprofits and setting up essentially, like you know,
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 2: so many stores and restaurants just throw away perfectly good
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 2: food or like they'll have things like if something's like
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 2: within a week of being expired, they just toss it
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 2: out because whatever. But it's like it's perfectly edible. There's
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 2: literally nothing wrong with the food. And we've been just
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 2: setting up like many there's a five on one se
• 2:46:22
  Speaker 2: nonprofit called Sharing Access who crushes at this, and we've
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 2: been funding and building like these small logistics hubs, like
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 2: one in New York, you know, and we've been through them,
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 2: and then also our food banks. We've been able to
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 2: distribute over forty million meals to people in need across
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 2: America and instead of like buying food and taking in
• 2:46:39
  Speaker 2: story and distributed it. Just taking food that would have
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 2: been thrown away, but it's perfectly fine and perfectly healthy,
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 2: and just do you know, figuring out how in a
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 2: couple of days to just get it to food drives
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 2: or people in need. And that's another thing too, illegal
• 2:46:49
  Speaker 2: child labor and cacal in that are like two things
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 2: that I feel like people should just be aware of
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 2: because it's a very solvable thing, you know what I mean.
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 2: Like if you work at a retailer, I'm sure a
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 2: lot of people here do that throws away perfectly good
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 2: food because or like you know, you never they never
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 2: want to run a risk of something being bad on
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 2: the shelf, so they'll premptively throw it away. Just call
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 2: a local nonprofit and be like, hey, we're this every week.
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 2: We tend to throw away food around this time. Come
• 2:47:10
  Speaker 2: pick it up, like little tweaks. Like that is like
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 2: so simple, but would feed so many people need and
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 2: save us so much.
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 3: Money, you know, And I feel like it's kind of
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 3: a no brainer.
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 2: And I've literally seen it in effect, Like we're opening
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 2: up another facility that you know, over the next twelve
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 2: months should be able to distribute around ten million pounds
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 2: of food, so whatever that is maybe like seven million meals.
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 2: And it's like just taking food that would have been
• 2:47:29
  Speaker 2: thrown away. And it's kind of like mind blowing that
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 2: in America, like more people aren't aware of that because
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 2: it's a very solvable thing, to be honest.
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 1: I think there's so many people that are only concentrating
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 1: on what's going to make the money. And of course,
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 1: you know, it's very rare that someone like you thinks
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 1: about greater good and actually.
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 2: But in this case, it doesn't even that one doesn't
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 2: even cost you money. We're just talking about it instead
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 2: of just the air.
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 1: Put it in a truck the aft.
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah to well, maybe one of you, if you're a
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 2: Walmart or I don't even know, with some random store
• 2:48:02
  Speaker 2: that are listening to this, just consider it. Don't throw
• 2:48:03
  Speaker 2: the food away.
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 1: You're an awesome guy, Jimmy, thank you, Thank you for
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 1: being here. Man, it was really fun. I really appreciate it.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gradually we got an zombie show. We'll do it.
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 2: We're doing it. Yeah, I think we should handle all
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 2: the work and stuff.
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 1: You got to think about it some more too. Yeah,
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna bounce this around because I got excited.
• 2:48:20
  Speaker 1: I think there's something to it.
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 2: Next time, next time you see me and Joe together,
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be fighting off some zombies.
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 1: All right, sounds good. Thank you, thank you for having
• 2:48:27
  Speaker 1: my pleasure, and thank you bye everybody,