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Vusimuzi "Cat" Matlala claims to have been extorted by former Deputy Police Commissioner Shadrack Sibiya · Drive with John Perlman

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  Speaker 1: You're with John Perlman on 702. 702 Drive, 23 minutes
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  Speaker 1: now past 3 o'clock. Let's focus our attention on the
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  Speaker 1: Matlanga Commission of Inquiry. I think this is now day
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  Speaker 1: three for Wusimusi Matlala to be questioned and to raise
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  Speaker 1: issues and to offer answers. to the questions he's asked,
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  Speaker 1: including some questions that he would insist that he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have to ask, answer, or want to answer. It's been very,
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  Speaker 1: very interesting so far, and it's going on right now.
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  Speaker 1: Let's then bring into the conversation Tzulu Tzoku, who is
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  Speaker 1: our EWN colleague covering things at the Bridget Mabandla Institute.
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  Speaker 1: Justice College. Tulu, welcome. It's good to have you with
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  Speaker 1: us once again on the show. What's the focus of
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  Speaker 1: the questioning of Mr. Matlala been about today? Invariably, it
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  Speaker 1: seems Shadrach Sabir's name keeps coming up.
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  Speaker 2: Good afternoon, John. Thank you so much for having me. Yes, indeed.
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  Speaker 2: Chadwick Sabir has been a common factor in the questioning
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  Speaker 2: of Wusumuzi Madala. But what has also come up is
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  Speaker 2: that December 2024 meeting that Madala had with KZN Police
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  Speaker 2: Commissioner Ndantam Kwanazi. You will remember that previously in August,
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  Speaker 2: Mathala actually challenged Nkwanazi to give the Commission the audio
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  Speaker 2: of that meeting. However, today when he's questioned about that meeting,
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  Speaker 2: Mathala simply does not want to answer questions about it.
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  Speaker 2: He's citing security concerns and he's asking for an option
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  Speaker 2: to actually read evidence in camera about that meeting. John,
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  Speaker 2: what he's also spoken about once again is those outings
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  Speaker 2: with IDAC officials that took place earlier this year. They
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  Speaker 2: did speak once again about the Sheraton Hotel. He has
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  Speaker 2: told the commission that when he made his way from
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  Speaker 2: Kokstat Correctional Service and was meant to get to Khoos Mampuru,
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  Speaker 2: he was actually taken to the Sheraton Hotel. But take
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  Speaker 2: a listen to Commissioner Samdi Lokumalo ask Matala about that outing.
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  Speaker 2: Just to explain this, did you sleep at the Sheraton Hotel? No,
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  Speaker 2: not sleep. They booked me out from Ebongweni. They drove
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  Speaker 2: with me to Sheraton Hotel. And then after that, what happened?
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  Speaker 1: And then we went to McDonald's.
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  Speaker 2: After McDonald's, then they booked me in. And when you
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  Speaker 2: arrived at the hotel, where did you meet with the...
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  Speaker 2: IDEC people who were there. Did they book a room
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  Speaker 2: for you or you met in the office or at
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  Speaker 2: the foyer? No, they called him and then he came
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  Speaker 2: out and he jumped inside the passenger seat, the front
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  Speaker 2: passenger seat, and we spoke there. You never went inside
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  Speaker 2: the hotel? No, not inside.
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  Speaker 1: I was inside the car. Now, John... Sorry, I was
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  Speaker 1: just going to say, I mean, if I understood that right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's been referring constantly to the Sheraton Hotel.
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  Speaker 1: Any ideas to why they went there if they weren't
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  Speaker 1: going to go in?
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  Speaker 2: It just looks like these outings could have possibly, John,
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  Speaker 2: even been illegal because he actually says he was only
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  Speaker 2: returned to Kho Simanpuru at 4 a.m. the following day.
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  Speaker 2: So he was taken from Kokstad. They passed Kho Simanpuru,
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  Speaker 2: went to Sheraton Hotel, even ending up at the McDonald's
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  Speaker 2: before he was taken back to Kho Simanpuru. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you were about to say something in taking that
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  Speaker 1: element of the story further. Please pick it up.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, John. So currently, Magdala now is facing questions in
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  Speaker 2: relation to his WhatsApp exchanges with several people. The commission
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  Speaker 2: has been focusing on his exchanges with crime analyst Calvin Rafadi.
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  Speaker 2: In actual fact, Magdala has acknowledged that he did give
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  Speaker 2: Calvin Rafadi money on several occasions, even saying that he
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  Speaker 2: even paid for his Ph.D.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so in terms of tomorrow, is he expected to
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  Speaker 1: be testifying again tomorrow or are they looking to wrap
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  Speaker 1: up today?
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  Speaker 2: No, John, the commission is very, very serious about concluding
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  Speaker 2: Wusumuza Madlala's testimony today. In actual fact, the chairperson, Wusumuza Madlala,
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  Speaker 2: made it clear that if needs be, the proceedings will
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  Speaker 2: go on into later this evening.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Tsulu Tsoku, our EWN reporter at the
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  Speaker 1: Madlanga Commission of Inquiry. It's 28 minutes past three.