Latest / Mini Scroll / MINI SCROLL: Leo Skepi apology, Sarah Joy exposed as fake Amish & Dbrand tweets racist remark to customer
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- 0:00Hi everyone. Welcome to Mini Scroll, the
- 0:02daily Internet culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories
- 0:05from social media, the creator economy and the digital space.
- 0:09Every Monday through Thursday, I'm your host, Lauren Meisner,
- 0:13the founder of the youth digital media brand Centennial World.
- 0:17All right, Welcome back to Mini Scroll, everyone.
- 0:21I have three big stories for you guys today.
- 0:25Today is a day filled with tea, so let's get right into it.
- 0:31The first story is that Leo Skeppi has apologized for making
- 0:35fat phobic remarks after a wave of backlash.
- 0:38So Leo is a TikTok creator and a podcast host who makes lifestyle
- 0:42advice content. He also provides mentoring
- 0:45services and his platform is really based on this kind of
- 0:49manosphere, growth mindset, red flag.
- 0:53The most common criticism against Leo is that he seems to
- 0:56have a real penchant for violence, and this was
- 1:00particularly highlighted when he went quite viral back in October
- 1:03when he revealed on his podcast that he actually had a murder
- 1:08suicide plan against quote every single person who has ever
- 1:12fucking hurt me. When he was at rock bottom in
- 1:16his life, people felt quite conflicted about him sharing
- 1:20something like this. Because on one hand, talking
- 1:23about men's mental health is really, really important, but on
- 1:26the other hand, you know, mass shootings are so frequent and
- 1:30prevalent in the US, so it was a very divisive thing for him to
- 1:34say. But the controversy around Leo
- 1:37has really come to a head this week.
- 1:39So on Monday, he posted a video arguing that people should not
- 1:43be upset if brands don't carry their size clothing.
- 1:47He said, quote, brands are allowed to want a certain image
- 1:50and look with their product. They are allowed to make things
- 1:52for people they want to make them for.
- 1:55Now, a big part of Leo's content is sharing how he went from
- 1:58overweight to really in shape. And he seemed, I guess in this
- 2:03case, to think that that gave him the authority to speak on
- 2:07this. Now, I was actually introduced
- 2:10to this situation via Drew Afwalo.
- 2:13So a video by her addressing the situation came up on my For You
- 2:17page. But she didn't name Leo
- 2:18specifically and she didn't really say what the video was
- 2:21about that she was referring to. So I kind of just scrolled past
- 2:25and I was like, OK, this sounds like it could be something, but
- 2:27I'm kind of confused about what's going on here.
- 2:30Basically, the backlash against Leo was getting really intense
- 2:33and Drew was being tagged a lot in his comments, basically
- 2:37asking her to call him out. And this is for a few reasons.
- 2:40Obviously the first reason is that Drew calls problematic men
- 2:43out all the time on her platform.
- 2:45That is a huge part of what she does on Tiktok.
- 2:48And also she has spoken very openly about fat phobia and body
- 2:52inclusivity. And the final reason is that
- 2:54Drew has actually had Leo on her podcast before.
- 2:58So Drew did respond. She made a video and basically
- 3:02said, you know my stance on fat phobia and body inclusivity.
- 3:06So stop asking me my opinion on Leo's video.
- 3:09Obviously I don't support what he said.
- 3:11Like I said, she didn't name him, but that's basically what
- 3:14she said. I'll link her video down below,
- 3:16but the real reason why I wanted to mention Drew in this
- 3:20particular instance is because I think we really need to stop
- 3:24asking women to hold men accountable for their own
- 3:28actions and their own words. Obviously, Drew has discussed
- 3:32Fat Phobia numerous times online, so she's not going to be
- 3:35OK with Leo's comments just because she had him on her
- 3:40podcast once. And then other creators who
- 3:42spoke out about Leo and who were consistently being tagged in
- 3:45this video were Tess Holiday, Finita Leggett, and Trisha
- 3:49Paytas. So Fenita also responded because
- 3:53prior to Leo's video, she made her own video talking about how
- 3:57a lot of brands make ugly plus size clothes that people don't
- 4:00want to buy. She said this enforces the
- 4:03belief that plus size clothes don't sell as well as other
- 4:05sizes, and therefore that often informs a brand's decision about
- 4:09their size range. So based on what I could find on
- 4:12Reddit, it seems that Leo and Fenita used to be friends, but
- 4:15they seemingly had some sort of falling out.
- 4:17So a lot of people thought that, you know, Leo's the video was
- 4:21kind of like a shady response to Finita's video.
- 4:24So she was tagged in this video lot and she made her own
- 4:27response. And she addressed what I just
- 4:29mentioned here, which is, you know, people are asking her and
- 4:32Drew to like pay for Leo's sins, pay for Leo's words by asking
- 4:36them to speak up and condemn what he said as if they don't
- 4:40already speak out about those topics.
- 4:42And we, as the audience, wouldn't already know where they
- 4:44stand on that. So Leo has removed his original
- 4:49video, and yesterday he posted an apology to TikTok.
- 4:53He said. I've got some shit to own up to.
- 4:55I deleted the video because it did the opposite of what I
- 4:58wanted it to do. It made a lot of people feel
- 5:00unsafe and that's the last thing I wanted, he says.
- 5:02He recognizes how the comments he made could be interpreted as
- 5:05hurtful quote instead of saying sorry because those are just
- 5:09words and they don't do anything for anybody.
- 5:11I'm going to give you my word that I'm going to do any work
- 5:13necessary to make sure that you always know and feel that I'm
- 5:16looking out for you and I'm here to protect you.
- 5:21OK, sure. The next story that I have for
- 5:26you guys is such a bizarre one. This one has been happening over
- 5:29the last few weeks and it's really kind of come to a
- 5:33conclusion now. I only just got introduced to it
- 5:36yesterday, so I've put together a timeline.
- 5:38I've done some digging, but it is a fairly recent story.
- 5:42So TikTok creator Sarah Joy has allegedly been faking being
- 5:47Amish to gain a TikTok following.
- 5:50So Sarah Joy is a creator with over 600,000 followers who
- 5:54documents her life as an Amish woman.
- 5:57Her handle is at that plane. Girl Like PLAIN So Plane is a
- 6:02term to describe people from the Amish, Mennonite, and other
- 6:05communities in that same sphere. Sarah launched her TikTok
- 6:08account in 2023, where she documented her experience
- 6:12working at a plane store. So a plane store is like a
- 6:15general store that is owned by Mennonite or Amish community,
- 6:21and in her early videos she said that she converted to Amish in
- 6:262018. She would also post about how
- 6:28she wasn't supposed to be on TikTok and she sometimes
- 6:32referenced I guess the problematic sides of being Amish
- 6:35and kind of would occasionally talk about how she didn't like
- 6:39being Amish or she struggled with being Amish.
- 6:42On March 26th, Sarah uploaded a video saying it would be her
- 6:45last video that she would make while part of the community.
- 6:49Her body language in this video was really tense and her voice
- 6:52was quite shaky and she almost sounded like she was about to
- 6:55cry. So people are very concerned
- 6:57about her to the point that some mainstream outlets actually
- 7:01covered this particular video and the fact that people were
- 7:03calling on like the wider community to a Wellness check on
- 7:07her. People essentially thought that
- 7:08someone had snitched on her to the Amish community, that she
- 7:11was making this Tiktok content and you know she was kind of in
- 7:14danger because the community found out.
- 7:17A day later, a user named Kenzie Wren stitched Sarah's kind of
- 7:21bizarre video and said she grew up with Sarah and claimed that
- 7:25Sarah was lying about being Amish on TikTok.
- 7:28Kenzie said that she met Sarah and her sister Anna at church
- 7:32and they were kind of weird because they were homeschooled.
- 7:34She said that Sarah has a lot of mental health issues and Kenzie
- 7:37has seen Sarah go through many different phases in her life.
- 7:40And one of the blatant lies that Kenzie called out in this video
- 7:44was that on Sarah's TikTok. She claims that Anna is her
- 7:48friend, but Kenzie was like, no, Anna is Sarah's sister.
- 7:52After this, Internet users began digging up tons of evidence that
- 7:55proved that Sarah was not Amish, and they also found posts from
- 7:59her sister Anna saying that she doesn't want to be involved in
- 8:03whatever Sarah is doing on Tiktok.
- 8:05So after this video, Sarah removed most of her posts from
- 8:09Tiktok, and then she posted a response to Hannah.
- 8:12Sarah claimed that the last time she saw Hannah, she had already
- 8:16become part of the Amish community, and Hannah knew that
- 8:20she doubled down, that she converted and was not born
- 8:23Amish. So obviously the content that
- 8:26people are digging up and the stuff that Hannah was posting
- 8:29about her before 2018, like she wasn't Amish back then.
- 8:33So yeah, she was wearing makeup and she was wearing regular
- 8:36clothes and kind of doing her regular things.
- 8:39She also insisted she is not in danger, but that she needs to
- 8:42stay off TikTok to keep her place in the community.
- 8:45The next day, Sarah's account was deleted.
- 8:49So you know, people kind of thought, OK, maybe this is the
- 8:51end. However, then Sarah's first
- 8:54TikTok account that had tons of videos from 2022, so years after
- 9:01she allegedly converted, was discovered where she was posting
- 9:05in regular clothing, she was wearing makeup and she was
- 9:08posting with her boyfriend again.
- 9:10She said she converted in 2018, and since then more recent
- 9:14photos and evidence have been dug up by Internet sleuths just
- 9:17proving that Sarah has been, you know, living essentially a
- 9:20regular life since 2018. So again, her sister Anna has
- 9:26been liking comments on TikTok saying like, don't get involved.
- 9:29She's posted some comments here and there that have led people
- 9:32to believe she doesn't really support what Sarah's doing on
- 9:34TikTok. And then on April 7th, she
- 9:37uploaded an Instagram story, You know those stories where they
- 9:40have like a sticker and it's like post your March highlights
- 9:43or whatever and there's like a million posts that everybody's
- 9:45doing it. So she did that trend where she
- 9:47posted like a photo dump of March, like the best parts of
- 9:50March. And in it, you can see Sarah at
- 9:52the mall with her and regular clothing wearing makeup from
- 9:56March. So the Rolling Stone then went
- 9:59to investigate the situation and they interviewed two people who
- 10:03grew up with Sarah, who confirmed that as far as they
- 10:06knew, she had not converted. One told Rolling Stone that
- 10:09Sarah has a history of fabrication, and when she was
- 10:12younger she would claim to have Tourette's Syndrome despite not
- 10:15actually having it. However, what Rolling Stone also
- 10:19found out is that Sarah actually does work at a plane store.
- 10:23So it seems like when she started her TikTok account
- 10:26documenting herself working there, it took off and she
- 10:29probably started to lean into the idea that she was Amish or
- 10:33Mennonite because she was getting a lot of followers and a
- 10:35lot of views. Now more friends of Sarah's have
- 10:37made videos saying that Sarah is not part of the Amish community.
- 10:41One of them posted a series of photos with her on TikTok and
- 10:44wrote Sarah Joy was my best friend for years and I'm only
- 10:48saying this for her safety. She is not part of the
- 10:50community. She grew up in a strict
- 10:52Christian home, lives normal life with people and work, and
- 10:55chooses when she wants to act like she is Amish or Mennonite.
- 10:59She is in no danger and there's no need to worry she is safe.
- 11:02So we haven't heard from Sarah since all of this happened.
- 11:06It all happened like at the beginning, basically end of
- 11:08March, beginning of April. That's the last of it.
- 11:13I think this is a really wild story, but there should have
- 11:16been a million red flags from the start.
- 11:18Like, you literally cannot have. I don't even think you can have
- 11:20a cell phone. Like you can't even drive in a
- 11:22car if you're Amish or Mennonite.
- 11:25The fact that she would joke around like, oh, I'm not
- 11:26supposed to be on TikTok, well, I don't even think you're
- 11:28supposed to have technology. I don't know.
- 11:31I could be wrong, but yeah, I think there was a lot of red
- 11:34flags from the start. And what it seems like has upset
- 11:37people the most is a lot of people have said like, oh, you
- 11:40know, I kind of figured she wasn't really Amish or Mennonite
- 11:43or whatever. But the fact that she then
- 11:45pretended she was in danger and then tried to go back on it when
- 11:49people genuinely were calling for Wellness checks on her, you
- 11:53know, that was what was kind of unforgivable for most people.
- 11:57So yes, that is the story of Sarah Joy, the woman who was
- 12:01faking being Amish on TikTok. All right.
- 12:04And the last story I have for you guys is a little like
- 12:08unhinged brand news. OK, so D Brand has offered a
- 12:12consumer $10,000 after tweeting a racist comment about their
- 12:16last name tech accessories brand.
- 12:19D Brand is known for its snarky and sarcastic brand tone on
- 12:23social media. However, the brand took it way
- 12:26too far this week when they made a racist remark about their
- 12:29customer's last name on Twitter. A customer on Twitter named Buan
- 12:33Chit Ranch. I'm sorry, I absolutely
- 12:35butchered that, tweeted AD Brand regarding their MacBook skin
- 12:40showing dirt after a couple months of use.
- 12:43D Brand's automated bot customer service replied and offered a
- 12:47very real response about how to keep it clean.
- 12:50But then just 7 minutes later, whoever runs their social media
- 12:54quote tweeted the complaint and wrote Your last name is
- 12:58basically shit rash. Be serious.
- 13:03The brand obviously received a ton of backlash in the comments,
- 13:08but they continued to double down and defend their quote, UN
- 13:12quote joke about his last name. They even referenced a time in
- 13:172020 when they sent a customer shit in the mail like an actual
- 13:22bag of poop and compared it to Twitter's response about this
- 13:27now. Basically insinuating that
- 13:29people are more upset now about the racist remark that they made
- 13:32against this person's last name than they were in 2020 when the
- 13:36company actually sent somebody literal shit.
- 13:39And 24 hours later now the brand has, quote, UN quote,
- 13:43apologized. So they tweeted.
- 13:46Well that escalated quickly. One yes, we made fun of a guy's
- 13:50name. It was a huge fumble. 2 We
- 13:53apologized to him directly and offered him $10,000 as a gesture
- 13:58of goodwill. And three, we've been poking fun
- 14:00at customers on social media for over a decade now.
- 14:03We're not going to stop, but maybe next time you'll be the
- 14:05one who gets $10,000. What?
- 14:10OK, this is such a non apology. And nowhere in that apology or
- 14:16tweet do they mention like they're like, yeah, it was a
- 14:18fumble, a huge fumble that we made fun of his last name.
- 14:21I mean it was literally like a a racist.
- 14:23I don't even know if it could be considered a microaggression,
- 14:26like it was a racist comment. It was a racist quote, UN quote
- 14:28joke that you were trying to make.
- 14:31This is just another nail in the coffin for me with brands trying
- 14:36to have personalities. Just stop it.
- 14:38We're past that. We have seen so many of these
- 14:41instances now where it goes way too far, having a brand identity
- 14:44that is tied to being snarky or funny or personified.
- 14:49It never ends well for anyone involved.
- 14:52And it's also so dated. Like, we're past this.
- 14:56We are past this. This is so millennial and now
- 14:59it's veering into like seriously problematic territory.
- 15:02This has happened too much. Let's get rid of it.
- 15:05We're done. But anyways, guys, that is it
- 15:07for Mini Scroll for the week. Thank you guys so much for
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- 15:15I love you guys. I will be back tomorrow with a
- 15:17deep dive for the Friday deep dive and then I will talk to you
- 15:20guys on Mini Scroll next week. Bye.