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8-04-26 Hour 2 - NFL QB tiers/Makar or MacKinnon?, Oh, By the Way/Drew Goodman · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 3: Like we're in the preseason. Now in the regular season,
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  Speaker 3: I think it'll be very similar to like what we did,
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  Speaker 3: maybe not as late in the preseason, it's it's still
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  Speaker 3: the same. Like I've got some notes for the offensive staff.
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  Speaker 3: At some point today we'll go in and just talk
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  Speaker 3: about a few things. So I don't think any of
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  Speaker 3: that's changed. The bigger change will just be game day
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  Speaker 3: listening and you know, not initially looking down at the
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  Speaker 3: you think, I'm sure in a healthy way. Look, this
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  Speaker 6: Fellas, it's still looking. I'm almost there, He's gone, I'm
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  Speaker 6: almost there. Would you just let would you let me
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  Speaker 6: live my life please? Like a normal human?
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  Speaker 6: This has become a personal mission at this point, because
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  Speaker 6: you guys gave me crap thinking that I'm having a
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  Speaker 6: mental breakdown when I'm really trying to having you had one.
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  Speaker 5: It actively happened on the air.
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  Speaker 4: We have the tape.
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  Speaker 4: Clip?
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Fellas? I have quarterback tiers?
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  Speaker 4: What's going on?
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  Speaker 5: Mike Sando's athletic Quarterback Tiers have come out. He does
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  Speaker 5: this annually. He ranks all of the league starters into
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  Speaker 5: four different tiers uh and basically pyramids them out. At
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  Speaker 5: the very top of that, he still has number one overall,
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  Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes at number eighteen, starting the third tier. And
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  Speaker 5: this is what qualifies in terms of Mike Sandos rankings
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  Speaker 5: as a Tier three quarterback, a legit starter, but needs
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  Speaker 5: a better running game or a defense to win football games.
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  Speaker 5: A lower volume, drop back passing offense suits him best.
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  Speaker 5: And the quote from the executives that voted on this,
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  Speaker 5: just as easily as he can win games for you,
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  Speaker 5: bo Nicks can lose games for you. Ranked as the
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  Speaker 5: eighteenth best quarterback in the league and in Tier three,
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  Speaker 5: he does not move up a tier despite winning the
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  Speaker 5: AFC West for the first time.
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  Speaker 4: So he doesn't like him, doesn't like him, doesn't like him,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't think he's that talented, thinks he's a product of
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  Speaker 4: Sean Payton's offense.
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  Speaker 5: He has fifty panelists that are executives in the NFL
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  Speaker 5: or scouts or coaches vote on this. Twenty eight of
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  Speaker 5: those fifty panelists voted b Nicks as a Tier three quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's fine and dandy. How do you explain the numbers,
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  Speaker 4: How do you explain the record, How do you explain
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  Speaker 4: just the raw numbers that he's produced over his first
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  Speaker 4: two years in the league.
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  Speaker 6: Do you see what I'm talking about here when I'm
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  Speaker 6: talking about anomalies in the lack of turnovers, but the
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  Speaker 6: fourteen and three record and the one score wins right,
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  Speaker 6: eleven and two and one score games. Bo Nix's numbers
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  Speaker 6: through his first two years RAJ. When you look at
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  Speaker 6: the history of quarterbacks in the National Football League, they're
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  Speaker 6: pretty damn good.
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  Speaker 4: They're phenomenal.
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  Speaker 6: But nobody thinks this guy is really a player. He's
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  Speaker 6: a Tier three guy, And I wonder why, because he
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  Speaker 6: has and I guess it's probably the consistency. You know,
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  Speaker 6: he's not putting it all together through all these games
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  Speaker 6: all the time, but when he is on, man, he's
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  Speaker 6: really on. So I guess I don't know how to
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  Speaker 6: explain it other than there's an anomaly in there somewhere.
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  Speaker 6: Either the these predictors are wrong or they're right. And
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  Speaker 6: he's just got a kick gass defense and you know
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  Speaker 6: he's inconsistent.
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  Speaker 4: Give me his first tear. So Bow's in the third tier.
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  Speaker 5: Bo is the highest ranked quarterback in Tier number three.
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  Speaker 5: Tier one starts with Patrick Mahomes number one overall. He
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  Speaker 5: gets forty nine votes from the executives in the panelists
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  Speaker 5: as a Tier one quarterback. Number two is a tie
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  Speaker 5: between Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford, who both got forty
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  Speaker 5: eight Tier one votes.
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  Speaker 4: Who are these panelists?
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  Speaker 5: They are executives around the NFL execs scouts.
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  Speaker 6: So these are guys. These are guys who are in
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  Speaker 6: the game, know the game. This is their job to
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  Speaker 6: tell you what's going on with these quarterbs. This reminds
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  Speaker 6: me of Tim Bontemps, Strop Polfen, the MVP.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Eight general managers, current general managers, five assistant current gms,
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  Speaker 5: five former gms, and three other executives, plus nine head coaches,
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  Speaker 5: ten defensive coordinators, five offensive coordinators, and a handful of
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  Speaker 5: other defensive of their own.
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  Speaker 4: All I know is this, if that kid had been
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  Speaker 4: healthy in the AFC Championship Game, the Denver Broncs would
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  Speaker 4: have played in the super Bowl. And if you're a
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  Speaker 4: super Bowl quarterback, you're pretty damn good you're not Tier three.
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  Speaker 4: Holding go through those tiers one more time. There's only
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  Speaker 4: one in Tier one.
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  Speaker 5: No, there are four quarterbacks in Tier one. It starts
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  Speaker 5: with number one overalls' homes a tie at second with
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  Speaker 5: Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford, and the final quarterback in
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  Speaker 5: tier one is Joe Burrow.
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  Speaker 6: How many guys are in tier two.
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  Speaker 5: Tier two has Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, Drake May,
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  Speaker 5: Jared Goff, Jordan Love, Brock Purty, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels,
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  Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, super Bowl champion, Trevor Lawrence, and
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  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurt.
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  Speaker 4: So they have him down around twenty in that x Is.
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  Speaker 5: Nix is at eighteen overall. But the fact that he's
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  Speaker 5: not in that the same tier as two quarterbacks who
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  Speaker 5: were drafted with him, brock Purty, who I think he's
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  Speaker 5: a better quarterback then in making significantly less money. Then
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  Speaker 5: for me, he's a slap of the face.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care.
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  Speaker 6: I don't care if it's a slap of the I
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  Speaker 6: just care about how good he is lists.
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  Speaker 4: I care these. I mean, this is just topical stuff
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  Speaker 4: for summer sports talk radio. But I really don't care
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  Speaker 4: when Mike Sando and a bunch of executives think about
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  Speaker 4: where quarterback should be tiered. Now we have may have
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  Speaker 4: a different outlook on that, Uh, Clearly the Broncos think
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  Speaker 4: highly of him, otherwise he wouldn't be in this situation.
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  Speaker 4: And he's only gonna better. I mean, come on, he's
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  Speaker 4: gonna get better. So by the end of the year.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's going to change.
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  Speaker 5: The knock on bow is well, he's a Sean Payton
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  Speaker 5: system quarterback. It's RPOs, it's screens. That's the fact that
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  Speaker 5: he just gets the ball out of his hands, And
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  Speaker 5: so was Drew Brees.
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  Speaker 4: I mean different. Wait wait, wait what was Drew Brees
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  Speaker 4: before he went to New Orleans? Understood?
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  Speaker 6: Understood? I I dig what you're saying. But I mean
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  Speaker 6: the offense under with Drew Brees under Sean Payton looks
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  Speaker 6: completely different than this offense with bow Nicks. Understood, But
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  Speaker 6: I mean they were They were hell a vertical team
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  Speaker 6: back in the day.
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  Speaker 4: Hell a vertical The quarterback and the coach, the quarterback
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  Speaker 4: of the play caller go hand in hand, right, So
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  Speaker 4: why would you penalize bow Knicks for playing in the system.
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  Speaker 4: That's not a penalty, that's that's a gift.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I agree, they penalize him for getting the ball
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  Speaker 5: out of his hands quickly, right, they it's honestly, they
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  Speaker 5: penalize him for something that Sean Payton views as the
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  Speaker 5: biggest asset he can have in a quarterback, which is
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  Speaker 5: don't make negative plays.
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  Speaker 4: And he doesn't. Yeah, he was by design. What was
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  Speaker 4: that stat that you gave us yesterday that was deep.
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  Speaker 5: About percentage of dropbacks that result in sack, fumble or interceptions.
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  Speaker 4: And he was the best in the NFL, the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: So that's that's that's a weapon. When you don't give
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  Speaker 4: the ball up, that's that's a weapon. You lose the
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  Speaker 4: AFC Championship game because you gave the ball up in
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  Speaker 4: a tough situation. Correct, correct, So I you know, again,
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  Speaker 4: you can look at it through these tiers and these lists,
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  Speaker 4: but let's just see him play. And I think this year,
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  Speaker 4: with another weapon on the field, he's gonna play better.
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  Speaker 5: Another defensive coach would chime in. Nicks is a number two,
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  Speaker 5: a tier two quarterback for sure. He can make all
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  Speaker 5: the off balance throws. He's perfect for Sean Payton because
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  Speaker 5: he can handle Sean ripping his ass. That's always been
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  Speaker 5: the key. Drew always going, hey f you Sean, just
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  Speaker 5: call the play. Knicks has that mindset as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that mindset. Too.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he's a gamer, he's a tough dude, he's
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  Speaker 6: a he believes in himself. I like, if you're talking
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  Speaker 6: about quarterback mentalities. I love what he brings to the field.
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  Speaker 6: I love what he brings to the team. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I guess he can sound brash at times, but you
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  Speaker 6: have to look no further than when Sean Payton after
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  Speaker 6: the season, what did he call it predisposed right with
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  Speaker 6: the ankle and what a Knicks do when he had
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  Speaker 6: his news conference predis Yeah, there's there's no predispose. I
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  Speaker 6: mean he would completely contradicted his head coach, the guy
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  Speaker 6: that drafted him, and the guy that is molding him.
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  Speaker 6: So I like that about him. He's got a little
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  Speaker 6: bit of brashness.
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  Speaker 4: Let me, uh maybe challenge some of the Texters because
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  Speaker 4: I think your memories are short. Uh says here from
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  Speaker 4: three ninety seven to one. Bo cannot make dynamic plays
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  Speaker 4: when everything falls apart and the defense is carrying the team.
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  Speaker 4: I give you Texter fourth quarter football last season. Do
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  Speaker 4: you remember the fourth quarter of a lot of those
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  Speaker 4: games last season? If you don't call that dynamic, what
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  Speaker 4: is your definition of dynamic? What do you call the
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  Speaker 4: Giants game. What what do you call the Philly game?
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  Speaker 4: What do you call several of those games? Now it's
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  Speaker 4: not four quarters, but we saw it in the fourth
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  Speaker 4: quarter that was dynamic through the roof.
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  Speaker 6: It was I mean, you don't score thirty three points
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  Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter to win without being dynamic. I
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  Speaker 6: think vic what people are looking for and maybe what
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  Speaker 6: these executives and coaches and scouts or whatever consistency.
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  Speaker 4: Went through that is that is correct?
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  Speaker 6: That it's it's okay opening drives, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 6: know where he wasn't opening drives last year, but they
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  Speaker 6: they're three and outs. We're twenty five percent. Yeah, were
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  Speaker 6: not good.
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  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, though, when you're developing a quarterback,
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  Speaker 4: would you rather have one that you know early development,
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  Speaker 4: can come back from anything, can rally a team in
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  Speaker 4: the fourth can, no matter what the adversity, can lift
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  Speaker 4: a team on his shoulders. Or would you rather have
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback who cannot do that and plays a little
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  Speaker 4: more consistently. But isn't that rescue guy in the fourth quarter?
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  Speaker 4: What would you rather have? I like rescue because I
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  Speaker 4: like the rescue. I think the other stuff's easier to develop.
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  Speaker 5: It's impossible to find a quarterback that is consistent in
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  Speaker 5: crunch time. It's nearly impossible. So many teams go for
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  Speaker 5: decades upon decades without finding that guy. And I see
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  Speaker 5: the text that you just read right like, he can't
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  Speaker 5: make the dynamic play when his team meets it the most.
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  Speaker 5: He led the league in game winning drives last year.
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  Speaker 5: That's all you have to look at. He had seven
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  Speaker 5: of them. He hit the most out of any quarterback
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  Speaker 5: in the league last year, and that is third and
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  Speaker 5: fourth quarter comebacks. And yeah, a lot of that self inflicted.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of that is shooting yourself in the foot
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  Speaker 5: in quarters one and two. But he has proven to
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  Speaker 5: you when you need him the most, he can find
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  Speaker 5: a way to make a play. The drake may scramble
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  Speaker 5: for first down that ended the AFC Championship game. That's
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  Speaker 5: a play that bon Nicks makes in his sleep, in
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  Speaker 5: his sleep. I don't know if you can you can
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  Speaker 5: teach that clutch gene. Honestly think he came to the
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  Speaker 5: league with that clutch job.
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  Speaker 4: He has an ability to make plays on the text
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  Speaker 4: line eight three one six isn't me. I can't figure
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  Speaker 4: it out. Why does Raj seem to say Peyton differently
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  Speaker 4: than everyone else, because what do you say.
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  Speaker 5: These two bullies have spent years, right, this is now
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  Speaker 5: our eighth year, seventh or eighth year working together. You've
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  Speaker 5: spent years bullying me about the fact that I'll drop
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  Speaker 5: my teas in the middle of my word.
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  Speaker 6: But that's what that's what that's what kids do. That's
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  Speaker 6: that's what a lot of Colorado ins do.
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  Speaker 4: So that I say, it's so, I give it a
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  Speaker 4: dental teen.
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  Speaker 5: Now I'll say, Sean Payton, it's because I don't want
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  Speaker 5: to be bullied by YouTube.
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  Speaker 6: I like how you I know and you know what,
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  Speaker 6: let me let me explain. I've noticed that you've done that,
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  Speaker 6: and I appreciate it. I can take coaching, but you
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  Speaker 6: can take a kid from Florida. You can take a
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  Speaker 6: young you know, a young person from la from Madison, Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 6: and it's the mountain. But Lauren Jabbari does the same
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  Speaker 6: thing and she ain't from here. Mountain button, I gotta
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  Speaker 6: go get my button. I'm gonna go to now, let's go,
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  Speaker 6: let's go up the mountain.
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  Speaker 4: Mountain.
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  Speaker 5: I will say, I'll go back to saying mountain if
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  Speaker 5: I get Laurence TNT contract I'll take that any day
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  Speaker 5: of the way.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just saying, Jabbari does the same thing I used
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  Speaker 6: to say it mountain, mountain, and then you too, Bully,
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  Speaker 6: you say know, you say mountain.
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  Speaker 5: You know what You'll never hear me say and button
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  Speaker 5: one hour from right now, it will never happen again.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, good fix to say Sean Payton, Say Sean Payton.
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  Speaker 6: So let's let's alert everybody too, because we used to
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  Speaker 6: now on Tuesdays this you know, this year on Tuesdays.
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  Speaker 5: ways with Hunter Goodman or in fact, you said there's
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  Speaker 5: a two year deal for Mickey Moniac.
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  Speaker 4: Ammoniac not only did not get traded, he signed an
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  Speaker 4: extension two years like twelve and a half million.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, most speaking of extensions, when the heck is Kel
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  Speaker 5: mccar gonna get extended. Why doesn't this happened?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, But Joe Sakik said in his news
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  Speaker 6: conference that Cale is going to be here.
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  Speaker 4: Don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 6: Cale's you know, he's Kale's going to be an avalanche
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  Speaker 6: for life, essentially, is what Joe said. So I'm not
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  Speaker 6: overly concerned about it. I think he wants to be
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  Speaker 6: an avalanche.
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  Speaker 4: I know he does.
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  Speaker 6: They're going to pay him what is going to be
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  Speaker 6: a fair market value, although that's obviously going up.
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  Speaker 4: What's fair anymore?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, listen, if Bowen byrom is getting twelve
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  Speaker 6: million bucks per year from Chicago, what's fair?
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  Speaker 5: What's fair? Is the question?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Will you tell me what's fair? I mean, look, he listen.
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  Speaker 6: Celebrini is a twenty year old superstar, fourth leading score
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  Speaker 6: in the league, got eighteen to eight. Okay, and now
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  Speaker 6: again he's a forward. He's not the best defenseman on
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  Speaker 6: the planet. But Kale's the best defenseman on the planet.
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  Speaker 6: Regardless of Orensky winning the Norris, He's going to win
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  Speaker 6: more Norrises in his career. Is he worth twenty well?
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  Speaker 5: Vic was talking about a bridge deal for Peyton Watson right,
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  Speaker 5: finding a way to bring him in a twenty million
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  Speaker 5: dollars for years. Would you bridge Kale for three years?
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  Speaker 5: He because Garen might do that. Man, So with Quinn Hughes,
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  Speaker 5: that's the same player.
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  Speaker 6: Because he has to because he's worried about Quinn Hughes leaving.
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  Speaker 6: You don't bridge, you don't bridge a hall of Famer,
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: you sign him to the max terms seven years, one
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: hundred and forty per Well, he wants to play with this,
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: there's different dynamics at work too, plus tailors in the
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: in the system, and that's kind of cool. But nonetheless
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: you pay him. You and Cale, by the way, he
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: did give a haircut last on his last contract. Would
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: he do that again to try to keep winning? Maybe
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: so he wouldn't. He wouldn't, he wouldn't have to. But
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: and I wouldn't blame him. I wouldn't blame if he didn't.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: But if you have a Hall of Famer who's the
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: best defenseman in the league, you pay him like that.
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: I asked, they know what and listen, it can be painful,
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: but they know it.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Raj, I'll bring you up on this. You're obviously your
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: hockey acumen is goes deep. But I asked Kane and
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Moser the question, the dreadful question, the Sophie's choice question.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: Jesus oh no, and talked about not mentioning Sophie's choice anymore.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but if it came down to it, Cale
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: mccarr and Nathan McKinnon and you had to make it, Nathan,
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: why he's the center.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: He plays more premium position, and I think he is
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: just as good at his position as cale.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Is it his? Okay, Nathan, that was a quick response
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: by you. You didn't even think about it. Yeah, because position.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: To me, it's it's it's you can't find anybody to
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: do what kill mccarr does by a mile, but you
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: can mitigate it enough that you can get by without
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: without a superstar center who's all over the ice both
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: offensively and defensively and plays a two hundred foot game
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: has to and it's one of the most dynamic and
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: explosive players in the last twenty years, thirty years, forty whatever.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd agree with Rush. Just saw that bird get
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: that beak in the grass here and pull out a
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: big old worm. That's why all these birds are here
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: on this Broncos turf. Apparently this turf has some worms
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: in it. Did you see the size of that thing.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: I'm more focused on making sure I don't shiver through
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: the rest of the second.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: I'm also amazedelling how a bird just walking around knows
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: where a worm is and goes and gets all They're smart.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, we'll look at all the birds on the
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: turf here. Yeah, they know there's a lot of worms here.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: You see those videos of this. They like this.
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: They like this near end zone here particularly.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Well those foxes in the Arctic that jump up into
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: the air and then they burrow themselves into the ground
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: and come out with like a mole.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Those that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. That's what
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: these birds are doing right now. They know where it's insane.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: I can't watch those stupid videos anymore because my dog
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: barks at the television. I used David Attenborough man talk
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: me to sleep every single night. Can't watch them now
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: because my dog screams bloody murder.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Do they have like infrared eyes?
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: Yes, well they're they're they're actually robots vic and they
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: scan them the governments play.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Dude.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: He just gobbled it down to like me and a
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: seven eleven burrito.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: He was all that thing. I like it.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: I would like you to bring seven eleven burritos for
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: the group, by the way, considering I brought donuts last
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: year and you housed them all yourself. I want seven
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: eleven burritos.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I haven't.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: I haven't had a seven eleven burrito in a law.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: That's such a lie, and you know I swear to
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: the Lord above an absolute lie. How's this, I'm gonna
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: ask you the question about kill.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: What's too much? Twenty five?
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: I don't think you can even pay him twenty five?
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I know that's a box the cap. Yeah, I
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: know the CAP's going up to I'm dead. You're asking
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: what's too much? The CAP's going up to one hundred
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: and twenty four? Okay, so what is what is? And
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: that'll be in twenty seven, twenty eight, the twenty seven
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: to twenty eight season.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: What is too much?
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: I don't know, Raj, I mean you pay you pay
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: him what he wants. And Joe Sakig knows that you
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: pay him get real, top heavy, real quick man. And
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: we've seen that that doesn't work for the Aves. Top heavy,
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: does not work for the Abs, it does not work
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: for the Nuggets.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: And in a few years from.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Now, if Bo gets you where you want to go,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: not work for the Broncos.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Just telling you, dude, you pay him what he wants.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Let me tell you he's he's going to go down
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: as one of the best defensemen in the history of
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: the game, and you need to pay.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: When are we going to remind ourselves that it's a
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: good problem to have when you're worried about value for
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: a player that good, when you're worried about paying, that
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: means that players really really good. Yes, that's really really
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: good exactly. You know m carr and Nate really really good.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: And you hope you you hope Bo puts you in
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: that situation because that means he's really really good. So
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: you pay your best players, and there's no questions asked.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: If you don't pay your best players, what are we
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: doing here? Bos, I bother. Bo's on that road.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Man, that's a sixty million dollars quarterback in the way
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: to do it or not? You think he's he's worth
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: the sixty million dollars if they win an AFC title. Man,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: if they get to a Super Bowl this year and
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: he continues to win double digit games, it's simply the
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: going rate.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Hey, well, Baker Mayfield wants the going rate and he's
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: not getting it. Tampa Bay offered him north with fifty,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: but not the term that can. Apparently he's not happy
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: with whatever term they gave him. So you tell me
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: what the going rate is for a quarterback like that?
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: How important is he did? The success of the Bucks.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: I think the fact that they didn't win that division
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: last year Tampa is holding over his head. You can't
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: win a division by going eight and nine, like that's
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: all it took last year is to go.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Eight and nine.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: They won injury ravaged at times, and they got rid
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: of Mike Evans.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Too, injury ravaged. So I think he breathes life into
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: that franchise like no other. That's a no brainer for me.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: I think he's worth every penny.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: All Right, we're gonna do it a little bit earlier today,
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: considering we've got Adam Schefter at nine twenty five Andrew
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Goodman at eight forty five.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: It's time. What's the segment called.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Oh by the way, Oh by the way, that's what
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: it's called.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: All right, I'm gonna start it off here, and I'm
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: going to say no offense to bookies.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I can't believe I have to say that.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: No offense to bookies out there, right, But bookies, they're
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: not exactly the most reputable guys, otherwise they wouldn't be bookies.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Am I correct?
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: But I love it when people go on out and
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: they find the bookie for their story. And Tisha Thompson
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: from ESPN went on out and found the bookie from
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: Shoeotani's interpreter, and this bookie Matthew Boyer. The episode is
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: called The Betrayal of Shoyotani says quote, he was absolutely
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: bananas the amount of bets he was making. He was
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: trying to dig out of a hole. That homemade him
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: even more poor of a gambler because the betting, big
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: payout stuff. He goes on to say this, look, I
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: gambled bigger than most. Right I sleep, you know I
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: have a live too. He definitely was betting all night long,
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: all the time. I've never seen anything like it. So
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: this guy must have just been off the rails.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Silly for you to get in that big of trouble
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: and have the story turn into is show Heyo Tani
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: gambling on baseball. It's a yeah, that dude is dude
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: was off the ring, off the ring. So what's he
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: doing now, Jason Jay, he's in prison. I think he's
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: serving like a pretty.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: What's he doing now?
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: Hard time? Sure is he's screwed.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Fake what he got from I'm reading here. Terrell Owens
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: sat down and talked about his financial struggles. He made
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: eighty million dollars playing in the National Football League, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: he said, had he not made eighty million, he'd be
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: struggling financially right now. Come on, he says, quote it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: Goes fast on what?
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know? How does?
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: What does eighty million go fast on? I mean, wait,
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: what kind of life must you be living for eighty
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: million bucks to quote go fast?
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: I want?
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: I mean Tyson Blue, didn't Mike Tyson blow like one hundred.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: And fifty Tyson blew a bunch.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Mayweather apparently blows a bunch, although he's not having a
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: well an issue with cash flow right now.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: But I think he goes through money equal. Here's how
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: fast it goes. A couple of years ago, I saw
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: too shopping at Azara in downtown LA. That's how fast
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: it goes. He loves his clothes. What's Zara?
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: I actually don't know what what is that? What's what's
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: a flame? I don't even know what that is? Is
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: that some high end fashion brand or something?
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: What hurts me?
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: It says, what's Azara? Oh, it's so good. I don't
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: know what. Am I supposed to know what that is?
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: It's a shopping place. Do you have Sara clothes?
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Like chess king like you mean, like like chess can
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: wear all of it Burvons or chess king or something.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: It's not Bourbons, it's it's a I.
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: Used to buy five o ones in Mervyn's back in
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: the day. Sorry, I don't swim in those ponds.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: You know I'm a nordsterm rat kind of guy.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: You know what am I supposed to say? My best day?
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Mostly just an online.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: I don't even care what happened to Terrell Owens.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: It's unbelievable. I got another one for you. You're ready
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: at please?
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: VIC today is wearing this this little it's not a
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: down fest, but it's a fighting Irish vest right. Let
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: me tell you the great news coming out of the
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: Fighting Irish and this is good for all of the
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: world of sports, especially college football.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: It also exposes Indiana University.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Okay, USC and Notre Dame are going to renew their
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: rivalry matchup, which was an absolute staple forever in twenty thirty,
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: with a four game series gonna feature back to back
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: season openers. They used to do it at the end,
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: Now they're doing it at the beginning. Anyway, what they're
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: doing is they're they're getting rid of a national champion
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: or Indiana's pulling out of the walking away from the fighting, Yeah,
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: the fighting Irish future schedule.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Let it be known that Kurt Signetti the brash abrasive.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: It's pretty simple. Who doesn't fear anyone? Right, He's walking
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: away from that series against Notre Dame. Why would you?
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Because he doesn't want to lose. He wants cupcakes.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: He doesn't want to lose to begin the season against
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Notre Dame.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: That's why.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: So USC's back in the fold dough starting in twenty thirty.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Correct, But the story is at USC back. The story
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: is the national champion, then defending national champion. Beyond behind
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: that coach, that brash coach doesn't want to.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: Play Notre Dame anymore, And it says in the story
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: both games will not be played talking about versus Indiana
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: at Indiana's request from.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: A scheduling standpoint, understanding that you're not getting into the
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: playoff with a third loss, I guess I understand it, dude.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: You know what, Lou holtspn this game. It was obviously
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: a great game, a big game, a big rivalry game forever,
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: and I'm sure people know about that.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: But you know what, Lou Holts used to do back
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: in the day, just in case.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Sometimes he'd pull out the green uniforms for the fighting
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: Irish against the US all the time. Yeah, and if
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: you gotta wear the lucky the lucky Greens, Lou would
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: do it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Man. He pulled out all the stops.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: All I remember about Lou is that they lost to
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Syracuse and the Carrier Dome. And now Notre Dame doesn't
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: play Syracuse at the Carrier Dome anymore.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: God, they would, dude, if they played Syracuse ten times
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: in a row, they carried dold.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Hold that stuff. What I want you to look up
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: the score the last time Notre Dame plates serious? I
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: don't want to. I'm not going to do good.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: I don't want to do that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Google the score, talk, I don't want to do that. Yeah,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: go ahead and google that score. Tell me what's up?
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, this from the seven to seven
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Birds feel worms in the ground through their feet.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Ah okay, that's why there's so many.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: They got radar in their feet. No way, are you serious?
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Or they can feel the vibrations the flailings. How much
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: does a worm vibrate?
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Man? That must be a really sensitive, sensitive bird most
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Why don't guad read the score the last time? Sure
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: there's a toy for that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: November, Yeah, November twenty second, twenty twenty five. The Orange
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: finished that or the Orange At the time, we're three
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: and eight, it was seventy to seven seven. Hey, Notre
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Dame was talk about that. Notre Dame was up thirty
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: five nothing after the first. We'll talk about that. They
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: were up forty nine nothing at halftime. We don't talk
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: fifty six nothing after three and tack on fourteen more
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: in the fourth.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: What's tzara? I don't know what tzari? I have no idea.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, do you guys remember the story
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: from Olympic ski jumping with dudes injecting themselves with highl
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: uronic acid to make them larger than they would appear.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: In the interview mirror and that was supposed to make
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: their suit tighter, thus more aerodynamic.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Yes, something along those lines, and guys were being suspended
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: for it, and uh, the IOC was pretty pissed off.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: The Tour de France fem so, the women's Tour de
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: France is well underway. In Stage four's individual time trial
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: set early benchmarks in general classifications However, some teams have
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: issued a plead to the race jury to enforce a
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: rule for an unexpected reason. Riders are faking their breast
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: size in the time trial and what that does?
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: What? Wait? Wait, I want you to read that sentence here?
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: What what?
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Riders are faking their breast size during time trials. Several
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: Women's World Tour teams have report reached out to officials
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: to enforce the regulation on placing items to exaggerate cup
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: size during the race against the clock. By doing so,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: riders can gain better aerodynamic advantage that could equate to
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: as high as point seven to eight seconds per kilometer.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: I'm always comping hogs.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: So you're telling me that Dolly Parton would win the
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: women's towtter from Dolly?
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Apparently, so se Sweeney crushing it right now?
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: I listen, man, I don't the hell's going on?
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: I don't pretend to be some astrophysicist aerodynamicist.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: How does that work to me? It would think you
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: would think there would be there would be more drag.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: I only top heavy, referred to as chest firing.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Increasing the surface area of the chest can change the
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: airflow around the cyclist during the time trial and thus
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: create a measurable benefit.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Over the course of multiple keys. Who knew, see Jesse,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: That's why who knew? That's why you suck up? Lookout
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: your flat? Yeah? Who knew? Three oh three five?
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: Where you guys can reach us? That was Oh by
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: the way, all of our coverage of Broncos training dam
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: out here in dumb Valley is brought to you by
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Ramo's law.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, you know, I guess in today's modern world,
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: with the sort of the science behind everything, I suppose Yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: the ski jumpers were injecting themselves into groin to you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: get every little coefficient that comes up on any study,
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: any scientific experiment or measurement.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: I guess you try to exploit it. Everyone tried.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Like remember when Roger Clemons got pinged for taking viagra
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: before games because it helped with blood flow.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I don't recall that that was the thing.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: He was popping viagra pills before he went out into
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: the mountain because it increased blood flow and gave him
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: that little extra edge.
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: I say, let's say he's on on the let's say
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: he's out of the hill on viagra. Okay, and morgana
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: the Kissing bandit comes racing out.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Jan what are we doing? Jeffrey on the text line says,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: I did see d Max stuff. It is braught Yesterday.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Drew Goodman joins us.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Next Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five's continuing training camp
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: coverage out here Broncos Camp, brought to you by our
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  Speaker 5: friends at Ramos Law. Alex Ryan Emmy filling in for
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  Speaker 5: Brett Caine this week alongside Vic Lombardi and Mark Moser.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: Out Here is the sun is finally peeking out in
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: a very crisp and chilly day it Dove Valley. It's
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: like twenty five degrees colder than it has been at
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: any point during Kingo thus far. It's it's chili out here,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: but no pads today. They'll be in in shells at
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: the very most, getting ready for what should be the
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: most physical day of camp on Wednesday. I expect a
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: lot of one on one battles. We haven't seen wide
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: receivers and corners go at it quite yet in one
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: on ones. Kind of looking forward to that. We saw
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: one on ones between pass rushers and off of linemen
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: yesterday and what was a truncated practice. It was like
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: fifty minutes yesterday. Yeah, but and I.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Think a lot of that had to do with the
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: heat and the smoke in the air because the players
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: were coughing up and wheezying left and right.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of smoke in the air around the Rockies.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: When it came to the MLB trade deadline? Were they
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: going to part ways with Hunter Goodman? We head on
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: out to the Ramos Law hotline where we are joined
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: by Drew Goodman. Drew, how are you this morning?
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  Speaker 4: Man?
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  Speaker 8: I'm doing well.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: How you guys doing doing good? Buddy, We're doing great.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I guess my initial question is did the Rockies do
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: enough at the trade deadline? With their four trays? They
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: move on from Brenton Doyle and then three pitchers, including
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Antonio Senzatela, but they don't part ways with the blue
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: chip and that is Hunter Goodman.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: I guess I would throw a question back at you,
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: not to be confrontational, but do enough in what regard
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: I mean what you were you know, what's the outlook
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: moving forward? I think is is where it begins. So
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: I'm kind of phrase to me if you would what
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: you mean by that.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I raised the same question when Roz brought that
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: up earlier I said four trades. I mean, what do
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: you want him to trade the entire roster? Well, not necessarily.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I just looked at it.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: I looked at the Adlie Rushman deal yesterday with Baltimore
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: and the Red Sox and saw a large hall of
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: prospects coming back, including a couple of their top fifteen
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: prospects in the Red Sox organization. I'm not saying it
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: was a bad trade deadline for the Rockies whatsoever. I
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: mean holding on to a very valuable asset in Hunter Goodman,
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: I think is a is a fine thing. I just
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: wonder if there was another team that was willing to
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: part ways with with what Boston did.
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously we're not privy to that. So the way
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: I would answer it is this, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: do it backwards a little bit. First of all, And
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: you know Vic moe as you know this to be true.
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: When the Rockies traded, they had a couple of big
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: names traded going back over the last fifteen years, Hubaldohemanez,
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: what did that bring back? Brought back a couple of
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: big name prospects and Drew Pomerantz, Alex White, a couple others.
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: Pomerants ended up having a decent career at the bullpen.
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: Alex White, for injuries other reasons, never amounted to anything.
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: Troy Tulowitzki, that deal didn't amount to anything. So prospects,
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: to me are always suspects. That's number one. But the
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: bigger issue here, in the bigger part of this is
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: you want to see the Rockies, like all of our
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: teams in town, be really successful, right, be championship caliber.
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: We know where they've been. There's no denying that. So
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: now you look at it and say, Okay, offensively, they
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: have a lot of elements of a really good team.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: In fact, they've been a top five, top six offense
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: over a significant period of this season. So they also
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: control those players that we're talking about, the McCarthy's, the
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: Goodman's who you know was just referenced even now Mickey Moniac.
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: They're going to extend him for a couple of years.
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: So a lot of the players that have been performing
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: really well are controllable and hopefully a part of what
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: we all want to see, and that is a team
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: in October. So I wouldn't have been so fast to
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: move those guys, quite frankly.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Were you a little surprised that Breton Doyle, who a
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: couple of years ago was a core member of this team.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: What happened to him at in the batters box? Why
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: did he lose his stroke?
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, Vick, it's a it's a very fair question.
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: I would look at Brenton this way. We know he's
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: a marvelous defender. To go glove suggests that he had
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: one year where you say, ooh, this is kind of
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: nice offensively, I think it's twenty three homers. We know
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: he can really run, and the average and on base,
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: you know, was pretty solid. I think he was about
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: a seven to sixty ops that year. Unfortunately for Brenton
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: two things, that's really the only year that we saw that,
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: and he's always battled the myriad of injuries. And then
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: there's this other little thing that came along called Cole Carrig. Yeah,
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: and Cole Carrig, you know, just to be objective, is
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: a better baseball player than Brenton Doyle. He can do
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: far more on a baseball field than Doyle. And I'm
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: not trying to disparage Brenton going out the door. I
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: wish him the best. I think he's a great kid.
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: I love the makeup and everything about him. But right now,
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: Carrig brings a lot more to the table than Brenton does.
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: And they have a glutton of outfielders. I mean, there's
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: two that everybody's crying for, and Zach Vien and Charlie Condon,
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: and there's no place with him right now.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty interesting.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about something they didn't do, Drew, and that
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: is Treit Hunter Goodman. And I'm thankful for that. I've
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: just been saying all along. I mean, he's a twenty
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: six year old catcher. You know, the average is pretty decent,
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: but obviously the power is explosive, and you know, he
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: has those two homer games and you get excited about it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: The fans want to see that, you know, and that's
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: really good. And I guess I say, if the Rockies
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: are on the correct path, and I do believe that
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: they are, I don't know how long it's going to take.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: I guess I'd like to know the you know, the
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: pathway a little bit more from the organization. But this
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: guy has to be a part of that path, does
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: he not.
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I would agree with you motion, and you know,
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: we all you guys have been here a long time,
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: and we all look back nostalgically at the Blake Street Bombers,
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: and you know, even the seven through twenty ten teams
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: that you know could hit the ball over the wall,
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: but they were diversified offensively, and I think that's what
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: this new group led by Paul Dibadest and Josh Burns
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: are doing. And so you can score in a multitude
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: of ways, but it is nice to have that centerpiece
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: in the middle of the lineup that is a thirty
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: five forty plus homer guy, and the Rockies haven't had that,
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: you know, in a while since Nolan Aronato quite frankly
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: left town. He's a catcher, so you're getting power out
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: of is out of a position that you rarely do.
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: Is he perfect defensively? I think I think he frames
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: the ball well. I think he blocks well. I think
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: his throwing is probably his biggest issue defensively. But you're talking,
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: as you said, MOJ about a twenty six year old
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: that's controllable for at least three more years if he
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: doesn't get an extension at some point in time, So
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: you know, and going back to the original question now,
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: and I wasn't trying to be, you know, a jackass
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: about it. But when you get prospects back, like those
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: guys going from Boston to Baltimore. Can you can any
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: of us right now name any of their names?
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: No, they've never get the big league level. Yeah, exactly right.
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: I don't care if you're number one overall, don't. I
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: don't care if your first round or a lot of
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: guys don't make it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: To the mosure can't even name popular clothing stores. Yeah,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: A true.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: I'm thinking, you know, it's funny Miller's outpost that that's good,
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: that's that's that's where I'm AT's true.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: I had I had a question for you. Now that
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: the Rockies are owned, is it for Greg and Kerry
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Penner and the Pender group? Do they make their way
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: down to the ballpark? Have you seen them down there?
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: I have, I have not. I don't know if I'm
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: frequenting the suits that they may frequent. I don't know
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: what the percentage is. Quite honestly, the organization is, you know,
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: is still run the same way it was, you know,
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: prior to their investment. From from everything that I see
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: and uh, you know, listen, Walker Montford and a mot
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: for family. You know, got beat up over the last
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: several years. But I can't tell you how different the
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: vibe is down there right now. And I give you, know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: Walker a ton of credit because you know, and and
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: Dick as well, because listen.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: He had to.
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: We we know where this organization's been. There's no denying it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: And you know, a lot of these things perhaps were
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: brought upon themselves, but now they've made a one eighty
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: and the vibe down there is one eighty from from
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: what it was. And you really feel this club, as
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: you guys said a moment ago, heading in the right direction.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: You know, I like that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: There's nothing wrong with new blood and new vision. I
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: think it's it's needed. I mean, we're talking about Sean
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: Payton out here turning over the play calling duties to
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: Davis Webb.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Probably not an easy thing.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: But but with Dick doing that with Walker, I'm I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: all for bring that youth in that enthusiasm. And speaking
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: of you were talking about storing runs in different ways.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: I don't know about you, but when I when I
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: see McCarthy lay down a bunt, you know, or I'm
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: telling you right now, Drew, my heart fills with joy.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: No, it gets you more juice stuff.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: No, No, I know, no, but you know what, the
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: the art of manufacturing runs drew that it's kind of
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: gone by the wayside in the bigs, But when the
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: Rockies are doing things different ways, I appreciate that. So
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: you know that's a good thing for me.
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: Dude, listen, I see you out on social media. I
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: know you're watching, So I'm the same way. I love
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: when Jake McCarthy comes to the place. Also by going
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: back to you know which on about trade deadline, right,
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: I was thrilled that they didn't move Jake McCarthy because
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: he embodies everything that they want to be going forward
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: where they are a diversified offense. He and Carrig. I mean,
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: you don't have to wait till somebody hits a three
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: run home run and everybody gets out of their you know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: gets up on their feet. So I love what McCarthy
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: brings every day, plays with his hair on fire, guys,
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: A phenomenal athlete. I know you guys are aware of
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: his football background. He could have played anywhere in the
• 41:46
  Speaker 8: country as a running back and carried kind of brings
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: that same mentality as well.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: It's fun Hey Drew yesterday, Arajra, show me the Dodgers
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: payroll coming up in like twenty thirty five to twenty forty
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: with all of those contracts that they're going to have
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: to pay the piper on, and we know that a
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: workstoppage is possible somewhat imminent. But my question is when
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: you when you look at the Dodgers, what happens to
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: them when they do have to pay those salaries in
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: twenty and forty do they just stop playing baseball? Like
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: all of these deferred salaries that start. Let's see show
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Hey in two thirty four is ode sixty eight million,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Mookie Betts is owed ten million from twenty thirty three,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: on all these numbers that are crazy, what happens to
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: them when that date hits.
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: That's a great question.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: I'm not an accountant. They their television deal, I think
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: their local television deals. Everybody is aware it was a
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: sweetheart deal because it was in bankruptcy court when m
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: Court sold to you know, Mark Walter and that group.
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: I have no idea. I assume the people that crunch
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: numbers with the Dodgers have done some sort of reasonable
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: math equation based on potential revenue in the mid twenty
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: thirties and what's on the book. But who knows. I mean,
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: right now they're basking and the fact that you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: they have a ton of money and they're also an
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: exceptionally well organization.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're exceptional. One.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: Let me let me tell you. You can't say it, but
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: let me tell you what I would like to see happening.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: I'd like to see the franchise full, okay. I'd like
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: to see Dodgers Stadium level to the ground. I'd like
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: to have a nuclear strike at Shoves Ravine.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: That's me, Drew. You can't say that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: I'm saying it because they that team drives me insane.
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: I know. And here's one thing I love about we
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: all love about sports. You gotta have villains, right I
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: mean forever the Yankees were the villain when George Steinbrenner
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: owned them. The Dodgers right now are the villain. And
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: I'm with you. You know, there's some guys that I
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: really respect and like a lot. There. They're people I
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: would consider friends. Dave Roberts, you know, a top that list.
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: They have some great people in the sport. And Freddie
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: Freeman Mookie Betts their top shelf guys. However, I'm with you.
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: It's easy to root against them, but I think in
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: sport it's also good to have a villain and when
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: you beat that team, it means more. Used to mean
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: more when the when the Broncos beat the Raiders back
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: in the day, right, Ye, So you know it's not
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: the worst thing, but the whole economics and we're not
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: going to get into that, but you know things have
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: to change, you know, moving forward for sure.
• 44:35
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• 44:43
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• 44:52
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