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Does GA Have an Organised Crime Problem? - The FLYER Show - 24th September 2026 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: This is the Fly Show in podcast form from the team at Flyer.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's your weekly dose of German Aviation news, views, and flying chat.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this episode, we'll be asking whether German Aviation has an organized crime problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: Plus, there's the usual observations, digressions, opinions from the team, and everything else.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you like airplanes, airfields, airspace, and the world that surrounds them, you're in the right place.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to this week's show from a sunny Wadswick.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: My name's Ian Seeger.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Ed Hicks.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Annabelle Cook.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this week's show, we'll be talking, we'll be asking whether German aviation has an organized crime problem following a report from the Royal United Services Institute, Rusty, as they say.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: But before we get to that, I would just like to say, if you're watching this and you'd like to do us a favour, give us a favour and hit like.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't mean hit like.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's move from there to the news.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, let's not move to the news.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: I knew we'd get this bit wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's say thank you very much to Sky Demon for supporting this, and here is this week's Sky Demon tip.
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  SPEAKER_04: Hi, I'm Hannah from Sky Demon, and this is this week's top tip.
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  SPEAKER_04: When you first launch Sky Demon, it is possible to start using all of the main flight planning functionality without needing a full aircraft profile.
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  SPEAKER_04: Here you'll be asked to enter some simple details such as the aircraft name and registration, the default level, fuel type, for example here Avgas by litres.
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  SPEAKER_04: In the next page you'll need to put in your fuel tank capacity and the default value up to the tabs, the seating configuration, so here we have four seats, the empty aircraft weight and maximum weight, and finally the airspeed and fuel button.
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  SPEAKER_04: Just type in the numbers.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there you go, aircraft wizard.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: Do you use the aircraft wizard?
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: Why it's not about making a wizard for your aircraft, not like in Lord of the Rings style, is it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Never watched Lord of the Rings.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_05: What?
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  SPEAKER_01: I've never watched Lord of the Rings.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm a grown-up.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: On that bomb now.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, Aircraft Wizards of Star Wars.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: You've never watched Star Wars?
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, if you've just joined us viewers and you've this week's podcast, films that Ian Seeger has not watched.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, you're all shocked.
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  SPEAKER_05: You have seen Top Gun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's all right.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: Both Top Guns.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay then.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I haven't seen that that other dog film that's at the moment.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: What's it called?
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  SPEAKER_01: Dog Days or something?
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: The dog star.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: The dog star, there you go.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mentioned dogs because we have a dog guest in the studio who may or may not make a cameo appearance.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, yeah.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, uh, aircraft wizard in in Sky Demon, Angela is useful because I've got I've I've made wizards for all three of my airplanes.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's useful if you've got three airplanes.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: Hands up who's got three airplanes.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: Just you then.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sorry.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just you then.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, but seriously, it is a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: You should do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It makes things a lot better.
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  SPEAKER_02: What you need to do as well is remember to swap between aeroplanes when you go flying.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can make them, but actually it's useless if you then forget to.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: I've maybe in some future AI version of SkyDemon ago, you must have lied to me because you're clearly in the airplane that's going slowly.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_02: I've looked at flights before and gone, wow, the cub is going really fast.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: Are you pointing vertically because this cubic Yeah?
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_05: Switching between the R22 and the Glass Star is interesting.
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  SPEAKER_05: You've come to a stop.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: It seems to be descending.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: That should be like a um uh like a Microsoft Clippy.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, are you flying a helicopter?
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  SPEAKER_05: Would you like some help with that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh weather, if you're looking for the weather, obviously it's at the end of the show now.
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  SPEAKER_02: So uh use our handy chapter feature to go and check that out or stay watching and catch it later.
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  SPEAKER_02: Indeed.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: Let's have some innerfield news.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: Some innerfield news.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, news overall.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh and so uh news uh on the Popham front is the threat to Popham is still on.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, uh they've had various housing development plans going through with consultations, and uh the team behind Popham Matters have pointed out that actually the local council is starting is preparing a new local plan again um under the government's revised planning system, and there's going to be another consultation um that's going to run between uh 9th of October and the 20th of November this year.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh the first part of three consultations about building homes at Popham.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, the last consultation uh ran into some questions over whether they had sufficient water.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so that's been sidelined, but it's this is definitely not dead yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: We didn't like that local plan, we've got another local plan.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it all over again.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Keep doing the planning, yeah.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: Keep doing the plan taking.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: What's the definition of insanity?
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: Keep doing the same thing until you get the answer you and expecting a different answer.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, uh it'll be an interest, yeah, an interesting one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Popum.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't it's yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think I'm right in saying that the previous responses that have been made in consultation will still count, but people should be prepared to spend a bit of time jumping on it.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: And as usual, the Popham Matters website has all of the latest information.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the best way to keep up to date with that.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a real Popham's a real kind of talisman for general aviation in the South.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: Let's not forget it was the place that was did did that was um described as not in not important, was it?
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: Insignificant.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: Insignificant to GM.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh which of course we're waiting, we're still waiting to hear to see that report.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: The report was promised to be in the public domain, but currently is not in the public domain.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Funny old thing, isn't it?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wonder if the report was more positive than they expected.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_05: I think I think maybe it showed it was not insignificant.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Annabelle.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, uh so Coventry, the saga continues.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah, after almost 90 years in operation, the airfield where I learned to fly, but not quite 90 years ago, uh, permanently closed earlier in the year to make way for um a development based around a battery gigafactory.
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  SPEAKER_05: But now it's been reported that no battery manufacturer has committed.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_05: So the council is now spending another million pounds on a new application.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so I think the idea behind this is it will widen the range of businesses that could move on to the site.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um and there's a lot, understandably, quite a lot of frustration uh being expressed.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_05: Some comments online suggesting the battery site was just an excuse to close the airport, so houses could be built.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um you know, whatever happens, the airport has gone, but it's just a question of what's going to replace it.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um I saw some photos online, someone had flown over and they were there were various trenches dug on the runway and stuff like that.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: So why just why I know I mean I don't think anyone outside some someone at the council believed there was actually gonna ever be a gigafactory built there.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was just a kind of hey look, giga factory electric looks green stuff like that.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: It makes us look good because it's makes it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it was gonna end up as a load of kind of commercial warehousing.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Because I think the issue is that the site was greenbelt and the the original planning uh was based around the big the the giga factory battery.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_05: That's easy to say.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um but now they're having to redefine it as brown field or something.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: News that shopped nobody.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: People got it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, in airplane news, because we are after all about airplanes.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Or if you've got more, sorry.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_05: There's a tiny little bit more news about airports, which is Gloucester.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_05: So the yeah, the Gloucester airport sale is back on the cards because the first attempt has collapsed.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_05: Um City Council says bids are currently being assessed and the level of interest has been encouraging, and final bids close at the end of the month.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: They're hoping to have that done by done and dusty by April, aren't they?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, someone's not in the background going, have you got the old giga factory material you can borrow somewhere?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I live in hope that hope that this time around this will be a a serious opportunity for That's just some dog noises you can with a bone.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: Dog and antler interaction.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm hoping this time around, I I because from what I understand, there's probably some good contenders.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: Let's hope so.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: Let's hope so.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: So let's hope so.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: So aeroplane news.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: Given that we are an aviation show.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the little bit of airplane news, the WT9 dynamic is now approved in the UK with a 916.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: That is so does that is that the first of its type to have a um a 600 so the 600 kg type with a 916 engine?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: Approved in the UK, I believe it is, yes.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's what, 100, well, there's 155 horsepower max for five minutes or something.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Probably got that bit a little bit wrong.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, well, it's alright, we've got encyclopedia here.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't even I can't remember.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: Is it one six one sixty for five minutes and then one forty afterwards?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, it's a powerful engine.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um prices haven't been disclosed yet, but I think by the time you know we're talking up at the higher end of 200,000, so closer to 300 thanks.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: I would say so.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Possibly even a little bit more than that, depending on what you put on the equipment.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: But it should be a pretty powerful performing 600 kilogram airplug.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm guessing in the UK, that's if you want side by side, that's probably going to be your highest performing 600 kg microlite, isn't it?
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: I guess it sits alongside the uh aeroplanes like the shark.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, absolutely.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: And the Rhizon, which is obviously not a UK airplane.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Not approved yet.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I don't know if anyone's actually trying to pursue that.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: But the dynamic looks nice.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: I visited the factory many, many years ago, and it's a very impressive place.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: They do a really good job and they make a good solid airplane.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: The only thing I find slightly odd about the dynamic is the cowl inlets, which are round, they put lights in the cowl inlet and that just looks a bit they probably use the designer that used to do Allen Sugar's Amstrad Hi-Fi stacks.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: It is yeah, it is a bit fascinating.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: They've got all these LED lights.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: What do we do with them?
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: They do look a bit gimmicky.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: The rest of the airplane looks fantastic.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: It does, doesn't it?
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, well, let's see how many how many there are in the UK this time next year.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: Is it me?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's you.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: A little bit of news.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: If you're heading to Bembridge uh uh in the uh in the the next few weeks, if you're flying over there, uh just be aware that the Propeller Inn, which is the fa a favourite food haunt, uh, should you go to Bembridge, that's closed until further notice, isn't it?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: What a bit of a mystery, plenty of rumours, which we're not gonna speculate on.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: But obviously, I I I know you've been to Bembridge quite a bit.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: I do go to Bembridge.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: And you've used the Propeller Inn quite a bit.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_05: I have, yes, because at weekends obviously the the little hut is closed, and so it's quite useful to have alternative facilities on site.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um but also I mean the food was always excellent.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_05: It was a yeah, really nice to go for a walk, come back, have a bit of food there before you go home, and yeah.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to go to Bendbridge, basically go for a wee at home before you leave, wash your hands, make some sandwiches.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_05: Or walk along the coast and get an ice cream at Sandown or go to the Crab and Lobster for lunch.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's quite a walk though, isn't it?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_05: It's about three miles, yeah.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's all right.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: Get an Uber.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_05: Are they Uber on the island?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_05: They yes, and you could also go to the garlic farm for lunch.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_05: That's always nice.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_05: But well, let's hope that the pellet in does come back.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Or you can pop to um sand down and get some.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you could.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_05: Pizza or curry or all sorts of other food.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, absolutely.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, quick reminder from me October the 1st is coming up soon.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: I know that date well because it's probably a a date when all good people are born.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: But on September 30th, uh the thing changes for your current.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you need if you've got a lap or it needs to it's no will be no longer the rolling validity, it'll be the uh the the set date validity.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: So you need to make sure you've got that squared away.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: We did that in a show not that long ago, so go go take a look at that.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and there's also an article on the on the flyer website, which you can read if you remember.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah, and then just a quick reminder that the aviator ball is only a couple of months away this year, it's the 21st of November, which is a Saturday, back at the Fairmont Windsor Park, which is absolutely stunning venue.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um, if you're not familiar with the event, it's dinner, entertainment, and a disco if you're into that kind of thing.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: And this is a big fundraiser for a fundraiser for airability.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_05: Um and as well as all that, you there's an auction for items that money can't buy.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and one of those is the opportunity to join us as a guest on the Flyer Show.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh! Um, if that's not enough, it's the one time a year that I wear a dress.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_05: Tickets are£180, that includes dinner and wine with a meal.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um and to buy your tickets and and don't hang around because they always sell out.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_05: Visit airability.com, search for Aviator's Ball, um, but we'll get Henry, please to put the link in the description.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: I used to go to that regularly lily, um, get dressed up, probably drank too much, occasionally danced after drinking too much.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, but apparently there's video of that.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: There is video of that, yeah, no one wants to see that.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it clashes with our show in Milan now, so or rain last year, so I have to go away and do that instead.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: So the DJ is hanging unused in the wardrobe.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh dear.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_05: Well uh maybe Ed can come instead.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's not not my country.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: You say you are wearing a dress.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I'd almost pay for Ed's 180 quid ticket if he put a DJ off and turned up.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_05: That would be Which is more likely Ed and a DJ or Ed and a dress?
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'd rather wear a dress, to be honest.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_05: And on that bombshell, folks.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: You're up next, Annabelle.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, it's me again.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, it is.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_05: Um a quick thank you to everybody that's a member of the Flying Club, because without your help, we couldn't produce this show.
• 14:55
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• 14:55
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• 14:59
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• 15:06
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• 15:12
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• 15:17
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• 15:45
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• 15:51
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• 15:55
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• 15:58
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• 16:01
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• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so time for our time for our discussion, which follows this report on from the Royal United Services Institute.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: And basically saying it's a study on whether German aviation has an organized crime issue.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: And they concluded, unsurprisingly, that organized crime and general aviation has does take place in general aviation.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: We know that because there's been various arrests and stuff.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: There was the famous uh 30 odd million, I don't know how much cocaine costs, but 30 odd million dollars, pounds, euros of cocaine that pitched up at Farmway in a private jet from Colombia.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Funny enough.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Was that half a ton?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_05: It was something like I have no idea.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Half a ton in suitcases.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a great picture.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was in The Guardian or something from taken from the CCTV where there was this Colombian chap kind of standing there with his arms crossed like that and lots of people in high vest vests opening up his suitcases.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: Going, this has not gone so well.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: This does not look like underpants.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um that didn't go well for him.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then there was on on a more GA kind of level, there was there was uh one in North Weald at least, uh, which I think had two and a half million bananas worth of cocaine uh hidden in a back seat or something somewhere.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how much that was either.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um clearly they they came to the conclusion, which isn't surprising, that yes, the organized crime is used or has been used for smuggling drugs, smuggling weapons, smuggling people, and smuggling other things like diamonds and other bits and pieces.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: They did conclude that people not so much on the basis that actually there just aren't that many seats, and there are much easier ways to smuggle lots of people.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: I know the report had some numbers in it, uh, identified that of um 3,135 uh recorded aerodromes, airfields, and helipads, 538 of those are approved to receive uh international or common travel area flights.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yes.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: And the Border Force Border Force recorded 77,316 general aviation arrivals into the UK during 2025.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: There was another stat in the report.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um it says earlier Home Office uh estimates suggested that between 140,000 and 200,000 international GA flights operated to or from the UK annually.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: But they were very confused about um that it didn't just seem to be small aircraft, that seemed to be everything, they described that as everything up to communic com commercial operations.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like I think you've misunderstood the GA.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I think there's some I mean, but and they were kind of uh not really comparable numbers.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, but it seems you know that hey, at all these flights there are some people who break the law, um, which which we're all well aware of because we've seen the seen the results of it.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think the North Wheels one.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Hello, you make an appearance.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: She said, I can see the contraband on the table.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: I smuggled this in earlier from the shop at Wadswick.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think I think probably they they interviewed a whole lot of people and and came up to their came up with their conclusion.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: They said the problem is we just don't know how many how much of this goes on.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: There seem to be two lots of of the way it's done, as it were.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: So smuggling technique number one is to not file a flight plan, not do a Gen Deck, to operate, you know, a ghost flight.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: A ghost flight.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: Which is not, you know, if you're a criminal, you go, surely that's what you do.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: You go, do you do everything to avoid detection?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: You'd think, although I I'd think that I was probably not I don't know.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not not involved in any crime, let alone organise crime.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Can barely organise myself.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then the other thing, which is basically just doing everything, you know, putting in the Gen Deck, putting in the flight plans, doing everything probably within that part of it, within law, and just hoping the fact that the numbers because you've got 77,000 flights going into 500 places, they are making the point that every not every single one can be checked.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um we know that.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: We also know that actually smuggling things by boat would probably enable you to bring in more and be more flexible and there's less paperwork involved as well.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think you know this focus on German aviation is is probably red herring.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: A bit of a red herring, yeah.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um but they did come up with some a list of ten suggestions, of which not all of them are significant for us, but some of them are.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, but there was one about electronic conspicuity, uh, and that was that um uh they said perhaps significant, most significant for pilots is a recommendation that mandatory electronic conspicuity uh would give the authorities a more reliable picture of general aviation movements and help uh id identify unusual or unauthorized activity.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, actually, if you're doing something unauthorized, I'm guessing you might switch your transponder off.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_02: You'd think, wouldn't you?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go and smuggle this, but I'd better put up my transponder.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I've got I'm I'm I'm legally obliged to turn my transponder off.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, we can't take your cocaine today.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: My sky echo hasn't got any batteries.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Or something.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then what they're calling unusual activity, like drawing funny shapes in the sky, because when I do that, you want to get lunch at Lyd instead of the 2K?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: That would be an unusual activity.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because you'd have to be mad to do that.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, and then I I think the other thing is they there was mentioning there about, you know, maybe it should the number of places where you can go in and out of the UK should be reduced further from the 500 odd that it is, which would be a a bad thing as well.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: So uh all in all, the the report for me at least the report you know identified the obvious, came up with some ideas which on the face of it you can see why some people might think it's a good idea, but actually it doesn't really address the problem, it just restricts the freedom of everybody who's not uh taking advantage to do dodgy things.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they but the um there was uh fingers pointed at um the declaration of G of uh GM.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: AR information saying that's self-declared and can't be physically checked for every flight.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's a resource issue, I'm guessing.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a resource issue.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: And we all know from from experience that they claim that something like 3% weren't filled in correctly, and now you can be fined up to£10,000 if you get something wrong.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: But we all know that there on many occasions I've landed some and they go, you haven't done an agenda.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: You go, yep, I have, here it is, here's the receipt.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: And you go, yeah, we can't find it.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I I think the system itself is pretty pants.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um I didn't know, but apparently Border Force has a general aviation resource allocation tool, something called Garat.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and that's used to decide us used to decide which flights require physical intervention.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know that.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: So um, I've been physically intervened on a couple of times.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's not back from France.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: The key point.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Not very often, to be honest.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: The key point with this Garratt tool is uh uh people interviewed said uh it's it's effective, although its success is in inevitably dependent on the quality of the information available.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's shocking, really, isn't it?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Here's a report that shows it.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I personally I I I haven't I don't know this directly, but I suspect that many of the interventions and the successful interventions are as a result of some intelligence coming from other places.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like you can go and get a flight to Amsterdam and go in, pop in the shop and buy 30 kilos or whatever it is of cocaine and then stick that in the back of your PA twenty eight.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: PA twenty eight.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: I got I got searched once, quick quick story.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: I landed in Logne.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: This is when Logne was a customs place in France, the northeast ish of Paris.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I parked in front of one of my friends' offices, got an office there, with ATC's permission.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: So inside drinking a coffee, and then all of a sudden these people came crashing through the door shouting in plain clothes, showing cards and goes, you've landed somewhere, you should know you've parked somewhere you shouldn't park.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: And big big arguments, stuff like that.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: They went off to tell air traffic off, they searched the airplane, found nothing, obviously.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it turned out that the week before, one of the newspapers locally, one of the mag news magazines, had done a kind of like scandal thing where someone pitched up and sort of rented an instructor in a flying school airplane and said, Oh, just take me to Belgium or Holland or something.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: And came back with a bag full of flour.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then did like a picture exposure of them cutting open the flour on the ramp when they landed and said, We imported flour and nobody checked, but it could have been heroin or something.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so everyone was really ultra focused on it.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: So that wasn't that wasn't a particularly pleasant experience, I have to say.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's uh the report also talks about the fact that um drones are are increasingly being uh you know are being observed for uh you know being used in crime as well.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: There are some apparently up to uh up to 10 kilos in weight, can fly for 50 kilometres, and some modern uh some bigger ones apparently that can fly up to 200 kilometres.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a good job the civil aviation are working working on plans for beyond visual line of sight.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sounds like some people are maybe doing that already.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because I bet you there won't be, you know, once if if we end up with a gazillion drones dropping everyone's plastic rubber dog toes that they've ordered on Amazon in their garden.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um maybe that'll be the that'll be the thing.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_05: Giving out tips, aren't we, now?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Taking the heat off German aviation.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think what one thing I would say though is for GA is people in the GA world are incredibly observant and we have, you know, there's a big network of spotters.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: Things going on at airfields seem to get detected a lot.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, unusual activity really stands out.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_05: It's a small community and we all know each other.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_05: And yeah.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Even at some of the strips I've used, it's surprising how much information you get from locals.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we d did you see that red airplane the other day?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what was that?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then people notice.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I think GA does a pretty good job.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it was Operation Pegasus, isn't it?
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen much on that recently.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, but I think it's still going.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I occasionally see a flyer on a on a wall at a flying club or yeah, but that could have been like from 20 years old, couldn't it?
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe we should find out is Pegasus still exist?
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: And it's where the worthy of asking questions.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was a winged horse, wasn't it?
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Not a unicorn.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Was a winged horse.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, we'll put a link to the uh to this Rusi report in the uh the video description so you can have a look.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's important to remember as well, I'm the the report is not arguing that um ordinary private flying is awash with criminal activity.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's just arguing that uh authorities currently lack enough in information to say confidently what activity is going on.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: So they probably say that they probably haven't got any information on rugby teams on tour either.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: So exactly, yeah.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: But uh I'd like we said, I think I think the self-policing element of of GA is an important factor that we should be proud of.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: Right, it must be timed for.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so Fancy Hanger this week, uh we set ourselves the challenge of the ultimate trousers.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: Now you may remember la uh a few weeks ago when Fantasy Hanger returned, Ian picked a Miles Hawk.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no, a Miles Falcon.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Which had trousers and it was a winner.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: It was and uh so we thought trousers, that's a good topic.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_05: I think we should call this the right trousers.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: The right trousers.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and we we that's not the only reason we picked it, it's because basically I don't know if you remember, but in Fantasy Hangout originally, every week was St.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Ed wins Week.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_05: Quite often because he cheated, to be fair.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_05: That's not true.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_05: I resent that.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: But this since we've been back after the summer break, Ed has has failed to score a victory, and we know that Ed likes airplanes with trousers.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Ed doesn't win anymore.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: So we thought we'd go to the heart.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: Let's take the game to the good chance.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: The the tiny violin edition of Fancy Hanger.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: So uh Take it away then.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: Who's first?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I think it's me.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_05: So I this was quite difficult actually, because there are some very nicely transferred aircraft around.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_05: There are.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_05: So I've gone for something quite unique.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_05: It's the Northrop Gammon Gamma.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: The Northrop Gammon?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_05: It's not.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_05: What's his name?
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_05: Is it but a pig of an aeroplane?
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_05: The Northrop Gamma 2G, which was the one that was specifically built for Jackie Cochran.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I think they they all have, well, all the early ones have fabulous trousers, but um, unusually for someone that's a big fan of radials, big fan of radials, um, I think this one just looks right.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_05: Um, it was powered by a 700 horsepower liquid called V12 Curtis Conqueror and was commissioned for the 1934.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: What do you radials seen come into it then?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_05: Because most of the gammas have radials.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_05: And big fan of radians.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_05: But the one that you've chosen does.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: No, it doesn't.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: But I have to say, your one with its inline engine looks brilliant.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: It does.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it does look quite amazing.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um so yeah, it was commissioned for the 1934 McRobertson England-Australia race, but on the delivery flight, it suffered engine trouble, was damaged in the forced landing, couldn't be shipped to Britain in time, um, and so Jackie took part in the GB instead.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she took the she flew the giant GB, the QED.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: Nerdfact.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_05: Nerdfacts with it.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_05: So meanwhile, the 2G was rebuilt with a twin wasp junior radial.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_05: Jackie entered that into the 1935 Bendix trophy.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_05: Howard Howard Hughes then leased it from her, fitted a 1,000 horsepower right cyclone, and set the US transcontinental record of 9 hours 26 minutes and 10 seconds.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Do neither of those have trousers.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_05: It's the same airframe.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, still the same airframe.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um so yeah, it's got it's got the teaspoon, it's got the looks, um, it's got the racing ambitions, it's got two notable pilots in its history.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_05: But I'd have it with the V12 and that lovely long, elegant nose.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um As a sad Postscript, though, to the trouser story, Northrop eventually worked out that massive aerodynamic trousers created more drag than they were worth.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: Aww.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_05: Aww.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: They are the wrong trousers.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think wrong trousers.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Those are giant trousers too.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_05: They're quite spectacular trousers, aren't they?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_05: And I I just that that yeah, that nose with that engine just works.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: I it doesn't.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: If you turned up at a fly-in in that, that would be a statement.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_05: It would, that yeah.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_05: Unfortunately, it's unlikely that I will turn up a fly-in.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_05: You know.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_05: That's why this is fantasy hangar.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Ian, can you beat that?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure I can, because when I saw the picture of that, I thought, oh my word, I'm not sure I'm gonna beat that.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I had to search long and hard to find this one.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think it's got some very special attributes.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's a Spitfire.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_05: Are you sure about it?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_05: Uh yes, I did look at, yeah.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I did look at it.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: It was a supermarine type 224.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_05: Hi, thank you.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: So today we we are blessed with Lori's Barking Dogs.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: Barking dogs.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: But it's a nice day.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, anyway, like the Supermarine Type 224, it was the predecessor of the Spitfire designed by RJ Mitchell, powered by a goshawk.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: It had some of the most spectacular trousers on its undercarriage you could imagine, on its Goldwing wings.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: But the the killer thing for me, yes, is why these trousers are special.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: Not only do they look good, they are they multi-purpose.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: So the Gosshawk engine had this thing called the evaporative cooling, which basically means you pressurize the water so it doesn't boil at 100 degrees.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then in order to cool it down, you release some of the pressure.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: That turns it instantly to steam, and then the steam goes and condenses back to water normally by exposure to some external surfaces.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: And the trousers performed that part of that purpose.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: So you had steamed trousers.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: So your steam was absolutely fantastic.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: Your steamed trousers were a method of cooling.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Your steamed trousers kept you cool, which is a good thing.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: And as I understand it from cyclists, aid fertility.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Having steamed trousers.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Having cool trousers.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing is the 2G4 had four cameras.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: I've never known Ian, so it's still animated.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Four cannons.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: We've never had an Ian Corpsing moment before.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: Two of the cannons were stored in the If you've just joined us viewers, both Annabelle and Ian have lost the plot.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, I haven't lost the plot.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Two of these cannons were stored in the in the steamed trousers.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: In the steam trousers, you say.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: So they weren't flying blanks.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Ah.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: So multi-use, multi-purpose, super healthy, lovely looking trousers on Supermarine 2G4, which went on to sort of become the Spitfire-ish if you screen your eyes a bit.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, I think you just rely on it being called Supermarine.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was pre- let's just say it was a predecessor.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was, but it's a famous heritage.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I reckon that those trousers on it look pretty good and are functional.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's quite a striking airplane with its gold wing.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I mean you're another contender for giant giant trousers there.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I'm not sure why they made open cockpit at the beginning, to be honest, because I think that was a bit of a mistake.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think open cockpit was still, you know, you it they still needed somewhere to stream their silk scarves, didn't they?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because it was a bit pointless, wasn't it?
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm guessing we hadn't got quite so far.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: So you're all right there now.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: But there you go, that's my entry.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: Please vote for that.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Multi-purpose good-looking trousers.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: You've all got your gammon and your steamy trousers are all very all very well.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: But when it comes to trousers, I have the ultimate choice.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: There's really only one one ultimate trouser airplane, and that's the Miles Hawk Speed 6 Racer from 1934.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: It may be small, but it is perfectly formed.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: It is the perfect fusion of trousers and airframe.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_05: It's not.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: I guarantee you that right now in the comments, people are saying Edwins.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um Miles would that be a sympathy vote?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe so, but I'll take that right now.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Miles were the masters of trousered undercarriage, and I think they they absolutely got it right with the Hawk Speed 6.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: Just three were built.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um they um basically a uh Miles customer said we want a faster uh Miles Hawk major, so they got rid of um the Hawk Major was two seats.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: They made this single seat, put a much bigger six-cylinder, 200 horsepower gypsy major, uh gypsy six on the nose.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um and three were built.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Curiously, um a brother and sister bought two of those three.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um uh one was ordered by a guy called Louis Fontez, his sister Ruth also ordered one.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_05: Ruth Fontez.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: Ruth Fontez, also ordered one.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um sadly, they never I whatever happened, they never ended up racing against each other in their Hawk Speed Sixes.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but uh Louis's aeroplane survives today and still flies at the Shuttleworth collection.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: And the good news is if you go to their race day, which is their last airshow of the season happening on the 4th of October, you can see the Hawk Speed 6 fly.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: So you can go along and you go, Ed was right, these trousers are fabulous.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Talking of going along, when can you go along?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth of October.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Fourth of October.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well that kind of leads us nicely into the next thing which we haven't fully prepared for.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, what's that?
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Events.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Events.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Event.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_05: I can tell you that on Saturday there's a stall event at Popham.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think it begins on Friday at lunchtime.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: There's okay.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: There's yeah, there's some work-up stuff on on Friday.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: The big competition day is Saturday, and then they're having a day on Sunday for people interested in stall.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's like uh experienced stall people will talk to people who are interested in the sport.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: So three days of stall activity at Popham.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm hoping to be there at least on a Saturday.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's very cool.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: I know that if you your landing fee also includes your right to camp, and they're putting on entertainment and beer in the evening on Friday and Saturday as well.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm hoping for good weather because I think it could be a fun time at Popham.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: So apart from that, we don't know of any other events.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Of which there must be many.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, however, yeah.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: But what we can tell you is flyer.co.uk forward slash events is the place to go for events.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just have a quick look, see if there's anything significant in our events calendar.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you and I can talk amongst ourselves while Ian does that research.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully it won't take me too long.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: So while Ian's looking for events, uh why not check out what the weather's got in store for us with uh Dr.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: Simon Keeling.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Evening all.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: I hope this evening finds you well and raring to go for the weekend.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's not looking too bad actually for the weekend.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's certainly some flying to be found.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a few details in there that we need to look at, but generally it's looking pretty good.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: So sit tight.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: These are the details as of now.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: This is the situation for Friday morning.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: We've got uh a front that is lying through northern England through northwestern parts of Wales on Friday morning.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's bringing a little bit of rain.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: You can see there on the forecast radar picture, um, the outbreaks of rain here, mostly eastern Scotland, northern parts of England, I think northwest England, northwest Wales, western Wales, particularly seeing that, some hill fog um because of the front basically moving through bases around about 1,000 to 2,000 feet, tops about 12 to 15,000 feet along the front.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: Now, to the uh south and east, um, a few mispatches, first thing, but they will click quite quickly.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then we're looking at bases, probably about 3,000 feet, tops about 10,000 feet.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Behind it, things improve as well, getting better.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, maybe a fair amount of climb through Ireland, but I think it breaks again, and again, we're looking at um some pretty decent bases there.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now, through the course of the day, the remnants of the front drift very slowly southwards.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: You see, it almost disappears.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: But then watch what happens on Friday afternoon across northern England, Wales, and the Midlands.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of gets a kick-up the bum, as I like to term it.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, non-scientific, but I think it basically uh reflects what happens, and the front gets pepped up again.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, what we find is that across southwest England, Wales, into the Midlands, into northern England, an area of rain develops, moves its way eastwards, brings us into non-verfar conditions.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: Base is a thousand foot tops, probably about 15,000 feet.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: Lots of murk, lots of mist developing, some hill fog as well in those areas.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: Eastern, southeastern parts of England remain fair, just watch out for that cloud increasing.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: And again, 4,000 foot bases here, 10,000 foot tops.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: Behind it, staying cloudy eastern Scotland, but better for western Scotland, for Ireland here.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: Again, bases 4,000 foot tops at 10,000 feet, but some showers later getting into the far west of Scotland.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Then, as we go through into Saturday, so we find a rich high pressure building, and actually for most of Saturday, it looks like being a fair day.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: Increasing cloud across the south.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Watch this for Southern Coast and the channel.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: That could be low cloud, it could be mist and fog developing.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: So keep a very careful eye on the forecast if you're planning to fly there on Saturday, and particularly late Saturday morning into Saturday afternoon as the high pressure builds elsewhere.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Generally, it's fair, good spells of sunshine, one or two showers, northwest England, Western Scotland, Western Ireland.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: Typical basis three to four thousand feet, tops about ten to twelve thousand feet overall.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: And notice it's western areas of Scotland, Western Ireland that sees the highest risk of those showers.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: Now, through Saturday afternoon into Saturday evening, still got that low cloud for the south, but generally many areas are dry.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then as we head in towards Sunday, fronts developing off towards the west on Sunday.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: Detail on this one a little bit more tricky, but I think western Scotland, southern Scotland, eventually northwest England, western Wales, much of southwest England basically becoming non-VFIRable, some heavy bursts of rain here, some CUNIM embedded in the fronts there as well.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: More eastern areas tending to stay fair, um, and at least until mid to late afternoon, and some uh bases around three to four thousand feet, so almost ten thousand feet again, murky through the channel and across southwestern areas, and then Sunday afternoon that front edges its way east through the rest of Scotland, northern England, getting into the Midlands, Wales, much of southwest England, and uh generally deterioration taking place, although we stand here in the southeast to stay generally fair.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: So you see, there are windows to be found, it's just going to be a case of picking them out carefully.
• 41:11
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• 41:15
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• 41:17
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• 41:32
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• 41:34
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• 41:40
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• 41:42
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• 41:46
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• 41:58
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• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, have a great, have a safe flying weekend.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, thanks again for watching, guys, and I'll see you next week.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Bye for now.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so looks a bit promising.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: What have you got for us?
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: Vintage Flying, Brighton City Airport, 27th of September, 2026.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: The new dates for Truxton Triple Challenge, 3rd to 4th of October 2026.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: The Stoll Championships, which you mentioned already.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the British BHA Safety Day at Cranfield.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's on the 8th of October.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be interesting if some people can actually get permission to land at Cranfield because they were a bit funny when I called them last time.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then there's some other stuff.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: But Pilot Careers Live, Dublin, 17th of October.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: Last weekend was Frankfurt.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: That was cracking actually.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then in London on the 7th of November.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I think there you go.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, you got a whole we went from no events to a whole bunch of events.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, good.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 42:55
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• 42:57
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• 42:58
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• 43:02
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• 43:04
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• 43:08
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• 43:25
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• 43:27
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• 43:27
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