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Killer Thriller: Accused: The Karen Read Story · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Elisa Donovan here back with a new episode
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Speaker 1: of Killer Thriller. Today we are diving into a true
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Speaker 1: crime story that completely took over the headlines and honestly
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Speaker 1: the entire Internet for years. In twenty twenty two, Karen
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Speaker 1: Reid was charged with manslaughter and second degree murder, accused
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Speaker 1: of killing her boyfriend, a Boston police officer, after a
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Speaker 1: night of heavy drinking during a brutal snowstorm. Prosecutors claimed
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Speaker 1: she hid him with her car and left him outside
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Speaker 1: in the snow. The story absolutely dominated local news and
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Speaker 1: became a national obsession. After a twenty twenty four mistrial,
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Speaker 1: the case was retried a year later and Karen Reid
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Speaker 1: was acquitted of murder charges. But between accusations of a
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Speaker 1: police cover up, massive public protests, and true crime fandom,
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Speaker 1: the verdict only fueled the fire. So today we are
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Speaker 1: talking with Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reid in Lifetime.
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Speaker 1: This new film accused the Karen Reid story.
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Speaker 2: Amy Roboc and TJ.
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Speaker 3: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host, Alisa Donovan.
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Speaker 1: Okay, today we are talking about Karen Reid, and I
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Speaker 1: am here with my producers.
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Speaker 2: To lay it out for you.
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Speaker 3: So Lifetime is doing a movie about the Karen Reid
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Speaker 3: stories starring Katie Cassidy, who will be joining us for
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Speaker 3: somebody listening, including myself. Can you set up who is
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Speaker 3: Karen Reid? I know the name? Did what is the story?
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Speaker 3: What did she do? What did she not do?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, to be clear, and this speaks
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Speaker 1: to how so many people know about this case. I
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Speaker 1: remember first being aware of it by someone standing on
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Speaker 1: an overpass on the freeway in LA with a big
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Speaker 1: sign that said free Karen Read.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, Who's Karen Reid and who is that?
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Speaker 1: So that made me look it up and I went,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, this woman. So she What happened is
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Speaker 1: this woman lived in Boston with her boyfriend. It was
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Speaker 1: a blustery winter, snowy night, they all went out drinking,
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Speaker 1: and then she was accused of hitting this man with
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Speaker 1: her car and leaving him to die and freeze to
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Speaker 1: death in the yard of a friend. Now there is
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Speaker 1: so much evidence to the contrary, and in fact it's
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Speaker 1: about like police cover up. All of these people believe
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Speaker 1: that the Massachusetts Police Department was is a conspiracy against her.
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Speaker 1: And then the more that you read and see it's
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Speaker 1: really true. They gathered evidence in a solo cup. There
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Speaker 1: was some evidence that wasn't actually put into the proper
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Speaker 1: places until March. This happened in January. No one ever,
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Speaker 1: they never went into the house and questioned any of
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Speaker 1: the people that were in the house at the time
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Speaker 1: they went there, which was about twelve thirty at night.
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Speaker 2: Now what's important to know is the.
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Speaker 1: Owner of that home was also a member of the
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Speaker 1: police department. And they have text messages from a state
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Speaker 1: trooper who becomes the head of the investigation, where he says, oh, yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: those guys aren't gonna suffer at all, essentially to the
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Speaker 1: extent like, oh no, We're not gonna be a part
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Speaker 1: of it. He's a part of the team too, like
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Speaker 1: these very clear cover ups.
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Speaker 3: Was a boyfriend also a police officer?
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Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, he was a police officer.
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Speaker 3: And is there any once he definitely hit with a car.
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Speaker 1: No, This is the other part. The entire the prosecution's
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Speaker 1: case rests on the fact that he was hit by
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Speaker 1: a car and that Karen said over and over, I
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Speaker 1: killed him, I killed him, I killed him. That becomes
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Speaker 1: a big part of the case. But then it's revealed
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Speaker 1: that she never said it. They have no footage of
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Speaker 1: her saying this. But because everybody was so drunk and
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Speaker 1: it was freezing cold, and they're all of these extenuating circumstances,
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Speaker 1: there's a whole thing about where he has these All
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Speaker 1: the injuries he had were scratches on his arm that
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Speaker 1: they likened to. They had an expert, the defense had
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Speaker 1: experts come in saying those are from a dog, that
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Speaker 1: there's no evidence of him being hit by a car.
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Speaker 1: And then they find out the owners of the house
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Speaker 1: had a huge German shepherd who was known as quote
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Speaker 1: not good with strangers, and then they gave the dog
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Speaker 1: away like a month after this happened.
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Speaker 4: That this guy was.
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Speaker 3: Dronk and like just passed out in the snow and
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Speaker 3: froze to death.
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Speaker 1: Karen says that she saw him walk into the house
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Speaker 1: and then she left, and they are saying he never
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Speaker 1: went into the house. However, the police department and the
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Speaker 1: state troopers, they never investigated the house. They never interviewed
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Speaker 1: anyone who was in the house at the party.
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Speaker 3: How's at this party?
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Speaker 2: So they went they all were at a bar and
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Speaker 2: then they went.
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Speaker 1: Back to this like the after party at this Yes,
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Speaker 1: the after party at this was his body found at
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Speaker 1: this house? Yes, his body was found at the very
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Speaker 1: front end of the front yard by the street.
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Speaker 3: Could he have tripped, hit his head and then froze
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Speaker 3: to death. I mean he could have, yes. So what happens.
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Speaker 3: So then there's this Karen Reid trial. So she gets
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Speaker 3: accused of this crime.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so they they say that she which also doesn't
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Speaker 1: make any sense, because they that she dropped him off,
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Speaker 1: you know, hit him with her car in an angry fit,
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Speaker 1: and then drove off and went home and went to
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Speaker 1: sleep and then woke up and was like, where is he?
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Speaker 1: He never came home. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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Speaker 1: No one would do that.
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Speaker 2: And there's also no evidence that she that he was
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Speaker 2: hit by a car.
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Speaker 3: So then there's they accuse her, She goes to trial,
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Speaker 3: and what happens.
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Speaker 2: So she goes to trial.
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Speaker 1: She first of all, there's a trial in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: four and it ends in a hung jery. It's a mistrial.
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Speaker 1: So she goes back. They try her again in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, and she has found not guilty on all
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Speaker 1: counts except for driving under the influence or one version
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Speaker 1: of that of drunk driving.
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Speaker 3: Knowing what you know? Do you also, and you've watched
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Speaker 3: this lifetime version, do you feel like she.
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Speaker 2: Is not guilty?
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Speaker 1: You know, it's so interesting. I do think she's not guilty, Definitely,
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Speaker 1: I do. I mean in watching these I've watched documentary footage,
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Speaker 1: well in court footage, and when you see these witnesses
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Speaker 1: for the prosecution on the stand, they're they're not believable.
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Speaker 3: They're not credible, got.
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Speaker 1: It, They are not credible, and they all keep repeating
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Speaker 1: the same things. And then when you get down to
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Speaker 1: the brass tacks of it, it literally it doesn't make
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Speaker 1: any sense that she could have or would have done this,
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Speaker 1: And they rely heavily on her voice males that she
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Speaker 1: left for him, which were like saying, I hate you.
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Speaker 2: Where are you?
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Speaker 1: She was like drunk and angry because she went back
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Speaker 1: to his house and he never showed up and where
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Speaker 1: is he? And she thought he was sleeping with someone else?
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Speaker 1: And you feel like the volatility of this woman, but
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Speaker 1: that's also understandable. They had been arguing for the weeks prior,
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Speaker 1: they've been having problems, and sure they had a very imperfect,
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Speaker 1: you know, relationship like most of us do, but you
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Speaker 1: can understand that. So then they use her words in
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Speaker 1: an emotional state to make it look like she was
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Speaker 1: angry enough to kill him. It seems very clear that
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Speaker 1: they put up the quote blue wall right where the
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Speaker 1: police are just saying this happened on our watch. Whether
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Speaker 1: they someone beat him up, it looks like he was
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Speaker 1: beaten up and has scratches on his arm. However they don't.
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Speaker 1: No one talks about those things. They keep pressing that
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Speaker 1: he was hit by a car, which the experts say,
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Speaker 1: this is none of this fits with someone who is
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Speaker 1: hit by a car. And then they also have pieces
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Speaker 1: of Another part of it is that her tail light
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Speaker 1: was broken, and then they find pieces of the tail
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Speaker 1: light where he was lying on the front lawn, but
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Speaker 1: they don't find those until over twelve hours later at night,
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Speaker 1: after they have brought her car in to be investigated,
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Speaker 1: and they have it at the facility where they check
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Speaker 1: for evidence and things like that, and they have footage
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Speaker 1: where the police that sent the footage they reversed it
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Speaker 1: so it looks like you're looking at the one side
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Speaker 1: of the car when you're actually looking at the driver's side.
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Speaker 1: Like it's nefarious it's really really bad.
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Speaker 5: As extraordinarily convoluted.
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Speaker 3: So I get why people are fascinated and also super
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Speaker 3: confused because I'm trying to keep up here.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's also you know, I think a big part
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Speaker 1: of this is, which I find fascinating and also pretty concerning,
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Speaker 1: that all of these people who have become her followers
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Speaker 1: and supporters, they're getting their information from this Turtle Boy
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Speaker 1: guy who has turned this in and I mean, bless him.
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Speaker 1: I hope his intentions are good and he certainly it
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Speaker 1: seems like he has helped to at least shine a
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Speaker 1: light on this, but you know, it's very self serving.
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Speaker 2: He's you know, now he's got a movie deal.
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Speaker 3: Right, quite likable. Is that also people seem to be
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Speaker 3: so supportive or is it just so clear that something
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Speaker 3: is a miss here and she's being wrongfully accused.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody would disagree that something
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Speaker 1: is a miss. I think what they disagree on is
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Speaker 1: what exactly is it that is a miss?
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Speaker 2: I think that's the problem.
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Speaker 1: And you know, a big part of this is when
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Speaker 1: people are that intoxicated and it's snowing and it's late hours,
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Speaker 1: you know, and the investigation was botched so severely, but
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Speaker 1: that feels like that was intentional.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into this with.
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Speaker 1: Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reid in the new Lifetime
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Speaker 1: movie Hused the Karen Reid's story. All right, Katie, it's
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Speaker 1: so great to meet you. Thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: speaking with me today.
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Speaker 5: Of course, thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: I just finished watching the movie, and I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't even know where to begin, so I'll just start
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Speaker 1: by saying, you're like channeling her in a crazy way
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Speaker 1: where you actually your facial expressions and all. It's like
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Speaker 1: you completely transformed into this person. So I just want
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Speaker 1: to commend you for that.
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Speaker 5: Thank you saying that. Thank you.
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Speaker 6: I definitely it's interesting because it happened. So this movie
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Speaker 6: happened so quickly. I had like seventy two hours or something.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're kidding to prepare.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I basically just did a huge deep
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Speaker 6: dive and just like flooded myself with as much information
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Speaker 6: on the internet as I possibly could research and watched interviews,
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Speaker 6: read things like I just I completely.
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Speaker 5: Immersed myself into in it.
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Speaker 6: And I was also actually at the time, I was
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Speaker 6: sick and I was lying back from Miami to LA
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Speaker 6: And when I got the call from my agent, my manager,
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Speaker 6: and I was like, can I let you guys know,
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Speaker 6: I'm like not really feeling been sick. And they were like, yeah,
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Speaker 6: you can let us know by the time you land,
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Speaker 6: because you need to start filming Monday.
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Speaker 5: And it was a Friday.
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Speaker 3: Oh, And I was like, okay.
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Speaker 6: I let me give me the flight at least so
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Speaker 6: to decide. And yeah, I mean I was very intrigued
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Speaker 6: by the story itself, by America's obsession story.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had heard about it before you knew
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Speaker 1: Were you familiar with the case, were you following it
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Speaker 1: like everyone?
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Speaker 6: No? Oh, I actually didn't know about it at all.
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Speaker 6: Everybody else did. So I don't know if I live
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Speaker 6: under a rock or what's going on, But you know,
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Speaker 6: I was just I was just very intrigued by it.
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Speaker 6: And then I paid a lot of attention to her
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Speaker 6: mannerisms and her facial expression and her dialect and lack
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Speaker 6: there like her accent and lack thereof. Sometimes she has
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Speaker 6: an accent, I've when I was listening, and sometimes she didn't,
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Speaker 6: And so it all sort of it's like it all
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Speaker 6: happened the way it was supposed to happen, the universe
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Speaker 6: wanted it to happen, and being sick, you know, it
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Speaker 6: actually lended to the character, I think because she going
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Speaker 6: through that was pretty you know, run down.
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Speaker 2: Run down, exhausted. Yes, yeah, sure.
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Speaker 1: So even though she was eventually found not guilty obviously
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Speaker 1: of murder, she's currently facing a wrongful death suit and
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Speaker 1: her attorney, Alan Jackson, who is obviously famous for defending
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Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey Harvey Weinstein and was going to defend Nick
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Speaker 1: Reiner for the horrific murder of his parents, but he
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Speaker 1: has about out of that.
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Speaker 2: Do you in how he's going.
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Speaker 1: To also represent her in the civil case? This is
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Speaker 1: always a question when you're playing someone real, right, and
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Speaker 1: it's so present. I mean, Lifetime is known for making
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Speaker 1: these ripped from the headlines movies, but this is literally
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Speaker 1: happening as you're doing.
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Speaker 5: It, and it's still not over, and it's.
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Speaker 3: Still not over.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy.
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Speaker 1: So how much did you feel like a responsibility to
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Speaker 1: do her a service? Obviously when you're playing and when
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Speaker 1: you have to kind of invest yourself in that person regardless,
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Speaker 1: but did you feel like any kind of real personal.
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Speaker 2: Feelings about this.
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Speaker 1: Like of how you wanted her to be seen, did
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Speaker 1: you want justice for her? Did any of that play
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Speaker 1: into how you played her?
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Speaker 6: I guess to be honest with you, Playing Karen, I
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Speaker 6: had to think like Karen and believe what Karen believes.
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Speaker 6: And I was asked this question, what is your opinion?
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Speaker 6: And the truth is is I don't. We wrapped in November,
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Speaker 6: and I had no I didn't really have that much
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Speaker 6: time to prepare, and I really just threw myself into
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Speaker 6: this character and it was so intense, and we finished
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Speaker 6: in November. And after I come off of a film,
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Speaker 6: especially something like that, it takes me time to decompress
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Speaker 6: and sure almost still processing, Yeah, because it wasn't.
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Speaker 5: That long ago.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So I haven't really even been able to inform
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Speaker 6: an opinion myself. I just know, thinking like Karen, portraying
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Speaker 6: her being sort of becoming her, I had to think
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Speaker 6: and believe what she did. And that's why it influenced
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Speaker 6: my personal opinion at least for a while.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: There are so many elements of this I think that
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Speaker 1: made people just so obsessed with it. It sort of
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Speaker 1: has everything. I mean, first of all, they're all drinking,
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Speaker 1: everyone is drunk. There is a blizzard in a massive snowstorm,
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Speaker 1: a complicated relationship, like all of these things are so.
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Speaker 2: Just chock full of intensity that I you know, did
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Speaker 2: you have at.
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Speaker 1: Any points when you were going through it where you
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Speaker 1: thinking this is bananas?
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Speaker 2: Did this really happen? Like this is crazy?
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Speaker 6: I mean it is it is crazy, But again, like
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Speaker 6: I couldn't really form my own opinion on it.
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Speaker 5: I just had to throw myself into what into it?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you know, I couldn't really question if did
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Speaker 6: it happen?
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Speaker 5: Did it not? I mean, well she did at one point. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I just had to just go for it.
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Speaker 1: Right, I Mean, there are so many I also watched
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Speaker 1: the documentary part at least that the one that has
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Speaker 1: come out, as I'm sure there are a million more
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Speaker 1: that will come out, but where they really show you
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Speaker 1: all of the evidence and how just kind of failed
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Speaker 1: the whole investigation was And even as a person like
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Speaker 1: myself who clearly is not involved in law enforcement to
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Speaker 1: any degree, I was watching it, going how was this
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Speaker 1: allowed to happen? You know, how to carry getting blood
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Speaker 1: samples in a solo cup and the fact that they
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Speaker 1: just never investigated the people who were in the house
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Speaker 1: that night I just think that's so unbelievable.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think the film shines a light
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Speaker 6: for me or like, you know, just on the complexity
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Speaker 6: of our legal system.
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Speaker 5: Yes, and.
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Speaker 6: I mean it is wild the way it all went down,
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Speaker 6: and it is sort of like unbelievable.
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Speaker 5: The Dixie Cups.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I saw a woman wearing dixie cup ear ring,
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Speaker 1: you know, like solo cup earrings, talking to someone in
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Speaker 1: the press like people have they just like jumped on
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Speaker 1: this bandwagon to support her. Did you ever come to
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Speaker 1: your own conclusions about what you think really happened.
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Speaker 6: It's really hard to to form an opinion of my
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Speaker 6: own when for over a month and a half, I well,
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Speaker 6: I guess it was a month or just over a month,
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Speaker 6: I had to believe what Karen believed.
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Speaker 5: So that's gonna.
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Speaker 6: Influence no matter what I think. If I were to
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Speaker 6: be able to have an opinion, it's just not correct. Yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 6: So I don't and personally, like again, like decompressing and
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Speaker 6: then processing is it takes it takes time.
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Speaker 5: It's going to influence no matter what. Yep. So I
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Speaker 5: don't think it's fair to say one way or another.
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Speaker 4: Right, So let's talk about how we all all actors
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Speaker 4: are always interested in playing you know, people that have.
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Speaker 1: Interesting stories and something you know, high stakes, and this
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Speaker 1: purpose person certainly has all of those things.
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Speaker 5: I mean she.
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Speaker 1: I think about this from a female standpoint in terms
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Speaker 1: of how we just want to like the press, if
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Speaker 1: this were a man would be so different then it
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Speaker 1: has been because she's a woman. The things that they
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Speaker 1: called her, well, from a cold blooded killer to escape
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Speaker 1: go to a whack job, and then saying she's also
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Speaker 1: a babe. Like I just I first of all, how
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Speaker 1: do you kind of or do you try to incorporate
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Speaker 1: all of those things into the character, and then also
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Speaker 1: how do you I would have a hard time, I think,
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Speaker 1: not really feeling like I wanted justice for this woman
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Speaker 1: in playing her, because I just feel like she's been
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Speaker 1: you know, mischaracterized, and everybody has sort of feels free
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Speaker 1: to say so many things about her that again, I
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Speaker 1: just don't think that would happen if it was a man.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with you, I don't think. I definitely
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Speaker 5: think it would be a different situation.
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Speaker 6: But again, like playing her, I couldn't let anything exterior influence,
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Speaker 6: if that makes sense, Like I'm playing this character so
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Speaker 6: I felt how probably she felt. When I mean, I
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Speaker 6: definitely felt how she felt when those words were being
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Speaker 6: said in courtroom.
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Speaker 5: And I felt for her because I was portraying her.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, my version and my interpretation of her based off research.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do find there. I really appreciated both in the.
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Speaker 1: Obviously in the reality of what happened in the trial,
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Speaker 1: but in the film also there was something really important
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Speaker 1: about making those witnesses actually say the words that they
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Speaker 1: had the audacity to text, the horrible things they said
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Speaker 1: about her. This is a man running the entire investigation.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely outrageous.
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Speaker 5: And yeah, authentic. Yeah, yeah, yep, I appreciate. I appreciated
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Speaker 5: that too.
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Speaker 6: I saw the movie for the first time I want
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Speaker 6: to see I think it was yesterday or two days ago,
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Speaker 6: but yeah, it was. I appreciated how authentic it is
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Speaker 6: and it's great. Yeah, and I think Linda Lisa Hayter
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Speaker 6: did a fantastic job our director. I certainly couldn't have
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Speaker 6: done this without her and she I just again, I
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Speaker 6: had to just flood myself with information and then just
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Speaker 6: blindly trust.
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Speaker 3: Right, do you think that you know?
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're aware there was a huge social media
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Speaker 1: part of this that really got the word out to
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Speaker 1: millions of people about this case, and everybody's the ground
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Speaker 1: swell that happened. And I wonder if you either have
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Speaker 1: you already or I wonder if when this airs, because
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Speaker 1: we're talking before it premieres, but when this episode will
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Speaker 1: go up, the movie will already have premiered. So I'm
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Speaker 1: curious if you're going to hear from any of these people.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you will.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I try not to get again, just
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Speaker 6: as a creative type, I don't get caught up in
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Speaker 6: the social media as much as you think, as everybody
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Speaker 6: else may, I think it could be very toxic. I
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Speaker 6: don't allow myself to go scrolling trolling. Yeah, I'm like
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Speaker 6: it robs me from being present. Yes, creativity and learning
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Speaker 6: and I love learning is something that I love. And
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Speaker 6: instead of like looking at what somebody's doing on a Tuesday,
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Speaker 6: I just don't care.
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Speaker 5: Not that I don't care about those people.
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Speaker 6: I just when I if I know them, and when
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Speaker 6: I see them, when we catch up, we'll catch up,
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Speaker 6: hopefully in person, and I'll find out what they've been
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Speaker 6: doing on a Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: I mean, right, this is what is so crazy to
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Speaker 1: me because I feel similarly to you in that regard.
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Speaker 1: It seems to speak to that there is like a
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Speaker 1: real underbelly and a serious corruption in the mass Chusetts
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Speaker 1: Police Department.
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Speaker 2: I feel like that's what a lot of the people.
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Speaker 1: Are because I don't know how else you could get
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Speaker 1: so on board with something like These people feel like
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Speaker 1: it's personal to them. This Turtle boy have you Are
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Speaker 1: you aware of this person? He's in the movie. He
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Speaker 1: is a a blogger who basically turned himself into a
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Speaker 1: character in the case.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy just he had live streams.
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Speaker 1: Did these rabbit hole quote unquote investigations? I mean, did
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Speaker 1: you look at any of that coverage or have you
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Speaker 1: since seen any of it?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 6: I mean from what was I really tried to focus
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Speaker 6: on Karen and becoming Karen and what I found that
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Speaker 6: was interesting in doing that. You know, this whole thing
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Speaker 6: happened because a man was robbed of his life, John O'Keefe,
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Speaker 6: And from what I've learned, he was a really good man.
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Speaker 6: He took over his sister's kids and became their parent
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Speaker 6: because his sister passed away, and he.
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Speaker 5: Seems like a very good man. But there's not a
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Speaker 5: lot on it.
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Speaker 6: There's not that much on him, and that's what this
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Speaker 6: is about, and this person lost his life, and let's
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Speaker 6: I'm hoping people will take away from this movie like,
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Speaker 6: I hope it's almost like a tribute to him and
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Speaker 6: his life.
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Speaker 5: And I think Love did a great job.
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Speaker 6: I mean, that's what I'm hoping people will sort of realize.
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Speaker 5: I guess what it's all about.
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Speaker 2: I think that they do.
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Speaker 5: Not the Turtle Boys or yes, yes.
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Speaker 1: I think that that really comes across in the film
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Speaker 1: that because so he is somewhat lost in a lot
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Speaker 1: of this story and you're like, this is actually about
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Speaker 1: this man, and I think they the film really shows
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Speaker 1: that while their relationship was complicated, as most are to
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Speaker 1: some degree or another, you still see that these people
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Speaker 1: had a true bond and that they certainly loved one another,
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Speaker 1: as imperfect as that was. And I do think that
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Speaker 1: I really was glad to see that, you know, and
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Speaker 1: that she Karen is saying, I'm the only person who
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Speaker 1: actually is looking for justice for this man, Like that's
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Speaker 1: what we're doing here, right exactly?
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Speaker 3: Do you think that?
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Speaker 1: So, because over the course of the movie, it feels
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Speaker 1: like she's there are moments like when she's unsure of
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Speaker 1: her innocence and then sure, and a lot of that
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Speaker 1: has to do with the alcohol impairment. And do you
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Speaker 1: think that Karen ever had any true doubts about whether
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Speaker 1: or not she did this?
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Speaker 6: I think there was a moment she it's almost like
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Speaker 6: it's a it's gaslighting almost, It's like yeah, sure, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 6: you're like, wait, questioning my own your own reality.
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Speaker 5: I think she was. But then I think she thought
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Speaker 5: about it and was like, wait.
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Speaker 2: A minute, I didn't know, right.
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Speaker 6: I Like, so it's like they were. It's like she
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Speaker 6: was gas lit in a way that's just like a
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Speaker 6: whole other.
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Speaker 3: Thing, right.
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Speaker 1: I think again that speaks to as women, we generally speaking,
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Speaker 1: are always much more able to say, oh, oh hold on,
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Speaker 1: was it my fault? And I really need to think
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Speaker 1: about this and look at that like we're a little
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Speaker 1: bit more willing to investigate ourselves and sort of be
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Speaker 1: self reflective.
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Speaker 2: And you know, again, I don't know if a man
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Speaker 2: would have done that.
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Speaker 1: Do you think if Karen read watches this, what do
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Speaker 1: you hope that she sees in your performance.
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Speaker 5: Authenticity as much as possible?
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Speaker 6: And I hope you know, honoring the story, honoring you know, her,
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Speaker 6: and and the way in the amount of time that
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Speaker 6: I had to prepare and hopefully flattered.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were filming it, did you feel like, oh,
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Speaker 1: the world is invested in what we're doing right now,
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Speaker 1: Like did you I know, I'm sure that you felt
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Speaker 1: the responsibility to do justice to Karen and those things
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Speaker 1: when I'm wondering if you felt any you know, the
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Speaker 1: kind of broader feeling of.
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Speaker 2: People are obsessed with this, like that they are.
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Speaker 6: It's something I learned when I was doing research, and
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Speaker 6: I was fascinated by how obsessed America was. But that's
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Speaker 6: not that was like a thought that went in and
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Speaker 6: out and then because I had to again stay focused
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Speaker 6: on becoming her in a way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you did an amazing job, as I said,
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Speaker 1: and I you know, we we've never met before in person,
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Speaker 1: and so when I saw it, I was like, there
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Speaker 1: were moments I said before to one of the producers,
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Speaker 1: just your expressions in the courtroom, in those scenes especially,
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Speaker 1: I was like, this person is she is channeling her?
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Speaker 1: And I was so glad that I had known before.
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Speaker 1: It just is like you did a really beautiful job
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Speaker 1: and it's such a compelling story.
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Speaker 5: I appreciate that. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: You're welcome. It's true.
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Speaker 5: I'm like I put a lot.
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Speaker 3: Of hard work to it. It's clear.
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Speaker 5: Thank you for acknowledging that. I appreciate it's clear.
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Speaker 1: And so the movie premieres on January tenth, but start
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Speaker 1: streaming on January eleventh, and you all should watch it.
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Speaker 1: Accused the Karen read story on Lifetime. Thank you so much, Katie.
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Speaker 1: It was a pleasure meeting you, and I hope the
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Speaker 1: film does really well.
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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Have a good
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Speaker 5: day too.
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