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  On in the grip of oppression.
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  I fought for my liberty.
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  I paid with the blood of my people.
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  Freedom has never been free.
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  Now my doors always open.
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  To dreamers and friends.
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  When I'm attacked, I protect and defen.
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  Because my name is America.
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  I stand for it.
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  Hello, everyone, and welcome.
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  This is Karen Shone.
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  And you are listening to the Prison of America's Education brought to you on the America Outloud.news network with our wonderful sponsor, the wellness company.
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  Please, folks, it's cold, stay well, do whatever you can to stay warm, to stay healthy, because this is going to be some year, and we have a lot of work to do.
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  We have to expose what is really going on in America.
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  Because if you think that what's going on in Minnesota is only in Minnesota, sorry, think again.
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  It's going on throughout the entire country.
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  And the sad part is that it's planned.
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  Yes, America was a country that housed millions of immigrants.
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  But one thing about the immigrants of old, and I remember my grandparents and my great-grandparents.
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  They didn't speak English.
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  And yet in the House, we were not allowed to speak Polish or Hungarian or Yiddish or anything.
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  We had to learn English.
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  And as a result, they too learned English.
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  And then they were proud to be Americans, which unfortunately is being lost on this generation.
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  When I talk about immigration, I love to turn to my expert and friend Michael Cutler, who has been involved in the immigration field for many, many years.
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  So Michael, I'm gonna let you take the lead because this is such an important topic.
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  And I want people to understand the value of immigration and the downside of immigration.
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  Just think, folks, you live in uh a condo or a house, wherever it is.
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  You're gonna leave your door wide open so anybody can come in anytime they want, take whatever they want.
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  That's what's going on in America.
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  So thank you so much, Michael, for joining me today.
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  And uh, let's get right to it.
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  What is immigration uh all about and what's happening in America as they are using immigration as a tool to divide the country?
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  Well, thank you so much uh for the intro, Karen, and for having me on.
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  It's great to be with you.
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  But I just want to briefly let those in your audience who may not be familiar with me know that I spent 30 years with the former immigration and naturalization service going back to 1971, the dim distant past.
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  We had just invented automobiles, I think back then.
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  Um, and I began my career as an immigration inspector assigned to Kennedy International Airport in New York.
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  Uh, I spent one year of the four years that I was assigned as an inspector.
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  I was detailed to the uh group that did the marriage interviews, like you've seen in the movies, trying to figure out if two people were truly living together, um, and providing the the alien with lawful status if the marriage appeared to be bona fide uh and seeking the aliens' removal if fraud had been committed.
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  And then in 1975, I became what was then called the criminal investigator, uh now known as a special agent for the INS.
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  I rotated through all the squads within the investigations branch.
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  1980 thereabouts, I approached Senator D'Amato not as an agent, but as a constituent with the idea that we needed to change the penalty for aliens who come back into the country after they are deported by an immigration judge.
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  Uh, at that point, it was only a two-year felony at most, and no criminal histories were taken into account.
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  Well, two years for a guy working in a sweatshop or in the fields or or in a restaurant, that's fine.
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  But for a guy who's a murderer, a money launderer, a terrorist, a drug dealer, um, I felt that the penalty had to fit the crime, so to speak, and I recommended that that become a 20-year maximum felony, and it did.
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  And without my knowing it, my boss at the time, Walter Connery, who came to the INS after he retired from an illustrious career with the NYPD, he was involved with the NAP Commission.
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  He was a full inspector with the PD, his specialty in uh internal investigations, became the head of investigations in New York for INS, and we both contacted DeMato separately, but on the same issue.
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  And the law passed, and during the first Trump administration re-entry by criminal aliens uh was the most frequently prosecuted felony.
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  And so uh after that, I rotated through all the squads within the investigations branch.
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  I was the first INS agent assigned to the Unified Intelligence Division of DEA, and then I was promoted to the position of senior special agent and assigned as an immigration agent to the organized crime drug enforcement task force.
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  In my career, I've arrested terrorists, fugitives, murderers.
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  My first fraud investigation way back in 1976, caused me to trip over a terror plot in Israel.
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  We were able to prevent the bombing of an oil refinery.
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  So immigration is really a critical issue, and and but the problem is too many people have been profiting off of illegal immigration and legal immigration too.
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  And you see it for both sides of the aisle.
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  Jimmy Carter started this Orwellian nonsense that we're gonna no longer call illegal aliens illegal aliens, we're gonna call them undocumented uh immigrants.
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  And so that gave a sense of legitimacy to people who shouldn't have been here.
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  And it was Jimmy Carter who ordered that no immigration agent arrest illegal aliens without authorization from headquarters during the census.
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  Now, why was that?
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  Because if the big cities that tended to be Democrat strongholds could get more votes in the electoral college and more seats in the House of Representatives, they could wield even more power.
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  And the census is conducted every 10 years, mandated by the Constitution to reapportion the seats in the House of Representatives and the votes in the electoral college.
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  That's how important this is.
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  And then Ronald Reagan came along.
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  By the way, I was so angry with this changing of names because it violated the law.
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  I want to be clear, the term alien is not a pejorative, it's not an insult.
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  Every other country in whatever language has an equivalent term, okay?
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  And under the immigration and nationality act, section 101 defines an alien simply as any person, not a citizen or national of the United States.
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  What's the problem?
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  I'll tell you what the problem is.
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  That definition provides clarity.
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  And when you're a con artist, when you're a grifter, the last thing you want is clarity.
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  Magicians use blue smoke and mirrors to obfuscate what they're doing, and politicians use artful language to obfuscate what they're doing.
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  And then along came Ronald Reagan, and Reagan frankly um failed us again, gave us the amnesty of 1986.
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  It was supposed to involve three million aliens.
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  It wound up uh, I'm sorry, it was supposed to involve one and a half million.
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  We wound up with between three and a half and four million, and the number nobody talks about is how many uh members of their family they were able to bring in once they got lawful status, because when you get lawful status, and I mean it's reasonable, you can immediately petition to bring in all of your minor children and your spouses, but without DNA testing, it's easy to commit fraud.
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  And when Donald Trump tried to use DNA testing during his first term, the courts shot it down.
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  France, by the way, uses DNA testing when they're dealing with asylum claims from Africa because fraud is rampant.
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  Okay.
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  But um Reagan gave us the amnesty.
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  He also set the stage for the diversity visa, the visa lottery signed into law by George Herbert Walker Bush.
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  And when 9-11 happened, George W.
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  Bush created DHS, but DHS was an abysmal disaster, and I would argue by design.
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  In fact, I've testified before somewhere around 16 or 17 hearings in the House and Senate.
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  I was called by Sheila Jackson Lee for three of those hearings, and the rest of the time by the Republicans.
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  And the Republicans, for the most part, were infuriated by George W.
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  Bush.
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  Now think of the integrity of Hutzma that it took for those Republicans to call me to provide a counterpoint to a Republican president.
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  Think about that.
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  Because when they created DHS, I called it the Department of Homeland Surrender because immigration was cut into three pieces.
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  Citizenship and immigration services, something that I told Congress they should do, spit off the benefits from enforcement.
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  That makes sense.
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  But then he drove a wedge between ICE and customs and border protection.
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  And then he folded in all these non relevant agencies to keep the immigration agents occupied with other tasks.
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  And we only had 6,000 ICE agents for the entire
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  United States of America.
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  Think of that.
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  And now suddenly they were doing money laundering cases.
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  They were doing cases involving copyright infringement and intellectual property theft.
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  They were doing narcotics investigations.
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  They were going after kitty porn.
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  They were giving them everything they could possibly throw at them to keep them occupied to leave immigration alone.
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  That was why Jeb Bush, George W.'s brother, said that illegal immigration was an act of love.
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  I would call it an act of betrayal and treachery.
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  Okay.
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  So let's be very clear about both parties and the roles that they've played.
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  And when Obama came in, he blew the door off the hinges.
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  But now we're hearing from the reporters.
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  Well, Obama was the deporter in chief because they looked at the number of people who were removed from the United States.
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  And this was again George W.
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  Bush's sleight of mouth instead of sleight of hand.
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  We used to refer to a deportation when an immigration judge told an alien, I am officially ordering you out of the United States.
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  You cannot come back again without authorization.
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  If you do, that law that I worked on with Senator D'Amoto would kick in as a deterrent to prevent these bums from coming back, because these were dangerous, violent and vile uh monsters.
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  Child rapists, child molesters, murderers, and so forth.
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  Well, George W.
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  Bush was trying to make it sound as though he was doing a better job than he was.
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  So he said, no, no, no, we're going to get rid of the term deport, and we're going to call it removal.
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  Now, by calling it a removal, it also included aliens who sought entry into the United States supports of entry and were turned around.
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  We used to call those exclusions.
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  But now suddenly everything was a removal.
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  So removal and deportation aren't the same thing, but they give it given the appearance of being the same thing.
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  All about lying, deceiving and conning the American people, and most people had no clue.
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  So it flew.
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  And I shouldn't be surprised because George W.
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  Bush, when he became governor, was upset that the high school dropout rate was the highest, I believe, in the country.
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  So what did he do?
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  He said, wait a minute, you only have to go to school till you're 16.
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  So what we're going to do is arrange it that we're not going to count kids that are 16, plus, if they leave school, because then we have too, you know, the numbers are going to be too big.
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  So we're no longer going to count kids once they hit 16 and drop out.
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  So overnight, the dropout rate that he reported dropped through the floorboards, and he told the constituents, how great am I?
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  We've we've addressed the issue of high school dropouts.
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  It's all a con game.
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  It's all deception.
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  And we've always been told that the quote immigrants do the work Americans won't do.
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  People that tell you that are lying through their teeth and they are in favor of exploitation.
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  The reason that illegal aliens do the work they do under the conditions, which are very often illegally dangerous, is because they can be exploited.
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  They can be taken advantage of.
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  So a job that should pay $20 an hour at a factory, they're suddenly getting $7 an hour with no benefits.
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  Think how much money is saved.
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  And when they send money home, and I'm really, and the second half of the show, I want to talk about how I think Trump is doing a terrible job of messaging.
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  Because I think it's got people confused.
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  And while a lot of the rioters, quote unquote, peaceful demonstrators might well be paid and might be ideologically opposed to our country.
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  I believe that a lot of decent people are being deceived.
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  And so they have weaponized our compassion.
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  That's really what I see happening here.
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  Weaponized compassion.
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  So we've been told that the work that's being done by the immigrants are work that we don't do.
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  And if we don't bring in brilliant people from overseas, America can't succeed.
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  That's baloney.
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  What has happened is the universities working in cahoots with corporations and globalists have been taking tons of money.
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  Betsy DeVorce under Trump won discovered over $6 billion in money going to our best universities from countries like China, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, certainly not our allies.
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  Why?
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  So they could get their kids into our colleges, so they could alter the curriculum to make Americans believe they live in a miserable lousy country.
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  And so that they could start the process of undermining us.
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  And in fact, Diane Feinstein back in 1998 warned about number one, the visa waiver program, which I've been warning about forever.
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  And number two, she said, maybe we should not be giving visas to aliens that come from countries that sponsor terrorism.
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  Because at that hearing, for two days short of the fifth anniversary of the 93 bombing of the Trade Center, the topic was foreign terrorists operating in the United States.
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  And so Diane Feinstein said, maybe we shouldn't be giving visas to these aliens.
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  Now, this is four years before 9-11.
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  And she said we certainly shouldn't be giving aliens from those countries training in STEM, science, technology, biology.
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  We're teaching our enemies how to make weapons of mass destruction, that undoubtedly they will do.
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  And she cited specific examples of aliens who would come either to the United States or England, trained as engineers and biologists and chemists and used the training to make bombs.
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  So she was actually on the right page in those days.
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  I was talking to Feinstein's people once a month.
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  And then she wound up with a Chinese chauffeur who infiltrated her office.
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  And then you have a guy like Swalwell, I call him Swallowwell, who's on a tear saying that if he becomes the governor of California, no ICE agent will be able to have a driver's license in that state.
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  Now understand what the 9-11 Commission had to say.
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  And I provided testimony to the 9-11 Commission.
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  And the 9-11 Commission staff realized how important immigration is to national security and how important it is to our war on terror, that they wrote a second book.
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  It was called the 9-11 Commission staff report on terrorist travel, and it took a deep dive into the nexus between immigration-related issues and the ability of terrorists to enter our country and embed themselves.
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  That is hide in plain sight and carry out attacks in our country.
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  And they looked back to a period 10 years prior to the 9-11 attack.
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  And here is how that second report begins.
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  This is the preface.
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  It is perhaps obvious to state the terrorists cannot plan and carry out attacks in the United States if they are unable to enter the country.
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  Yet prior to September 11, while there were efforts to enhance border security, no agency of the U.S.
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  government thought of border security as a tool on the counterterrorism arsenal.
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  Indeed, even after 19 hijackers demonstrated the relative ease of obtaining a U.S.
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  visa and gaining admission into the United States, border security still is not considered a cornerstone of national security policy.
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  Um bear with me.
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  We believe for reasons we discuss in the following pages, it must be made one.
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  And they go on to the second paragraph about Congress and the Commission.
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  And listen to this very carefully, folks.
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  Congress gave the commission.
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  That's the 9-11 Commission.
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  And it was created what?
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  To figure out how we got attacked on September 11, 2001.
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  Congress gave the commission the mandate.
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  They were ordered to study, evaluate, and report on quote, immigration, non-immigrant visas, and border security as these areas relate to the events of 9-11.
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  This staff report represents a lot 14 months of such research.
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  It is based on thousands of pages of documents we reviewed from the State Department, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Defense.
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  Approximately 25 briefings on various border security topics and more than 200 interviews.
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  I was one of those 200.
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  We are grateful to all who assisted and participated and supported us along the way.
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  So understand that everyone that was involved knew that immigration was the deal.
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  You know, when there's a terrible crime, there's a murder.
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  They find a dead couple lying in their living room in a pool of blood.
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  The first thing, the very first thing crime scene does when they come to that murder scene, is figure out how did the bad guys enter the House to carry out the murders.
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  So here we've got the 9-11 Commission's first step saying, how did the terrorists enter the country to carry out the attack that killed 3,000 people immediately and led to the deaths of even more people, over 3,000 in the years that followed, because so many people died because of their exposure to the toxins that were released when the airplanes were used as cruise missiles to take down the towers.
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  And so understand that.
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  And they talk about the World Trade Center bombing, February 93.
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  Three terrorists who were involved with the World Trade Center bombing traveled on sortie passports containing an indicator of possible terrorist affiliation.
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  Three of the 9-11 hijackers also had passports containing the same possible uh indication, and they go on about that.
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  And then they said this, and I want you to think of sanctuary cities now in particular.
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  And this has been going on for decades.
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  I testified at a hearing about New York sanctuary policies in 2003, because a woman was dragged into Central Park by four illegal aliens, and they were trying to rape her when I believe they were stopped.
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  They made headlines.
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  I was one of the four witnesses called to that hearing.
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  So here's what they say here.
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  Once terrorists had entered the United States, their next challenge was to find a way to remain here.
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  Their primary method was immigration fraud.
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  For example,
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  Example, Yusuf and Ajaz concocted bogus political asylum stories when they arrived in the United States.
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  Now I want you to think about that.
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  Biden led in perhaps 20 million people by allowing them to make false claims to political asylum.
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  You can only claim political asylum under international law if you have a credible fear that because of race, religion, ethnicity, political viewpoint, or sexual orientation, you face extreme persecution in your own country, so you need to escape for safety.
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  Okay.
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  It's not because you live in poverty.
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  It's not because the crime rate is too high.
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  If that was the case, people living in Chicago and elsewhere should be able to get political asylum, right?
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  No, it's very specific.
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  And we knew that political asylum fraud was the key method of entry.
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  You almost have to think that the Biden administration wanted to flood terrorists into the United States.
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  And before you say Cutler, you've lost your mind.
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  There was reporting in 2015 when Alejandro Mayorcis, if you remember him, he was the head of DHS under Biden.
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  In 2015, thereabouts, he was the head of citizenship and immigration services, the agency that adjudicated applications for various immigration benefits, political asylum, visas, resident alien status, and even United States citizenship.
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  The report said that this knucklehead mayorchist had ordered the adjudicators to approve petitions that never should have been approved, including petitions that he was warned about by the FBI that came from individuals affiliated with Iran and were believed to be terrorists.
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  And he said basically to the FBI, you can go to hell.
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  And when the Republicans raised the issue during his confirmation hearings in the Senate, the Democrats didn't bet an eye.
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  They voted for him.
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  Now I'm a lifelong registered Democrat.
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  Full disclosure.
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  I haven't voted for a Democrat in decades because the Democrats aren't Democrats, but I'm not so thrilled with the Republicans either.
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  You know, it seems like you go into the voting booth and the choices tells they win heads we lose.
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  But let me just finish what they said in that paragraph.
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  But I just wanted to make sure you pay attention to political asylum fraud, which was on a scale never seen before because of Mr.
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  Biden or because of the people working perhaps the autopen.
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  So they talk about use of an ajas, concocted bogus political asylum stories when they end when they arrived in the United States.
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  Mahmoud Abu Alima involved in both the World Trade Center and Landmark plots, received temporary residence under the seasonal agricultural worker program, or saw, after falsely claiming that he'd picked beans in Florida.
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  Mohammed Salome, who rented the truck used in the bombing overstayed his tourist visa.
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  He was an illegal alien, able to rent a truck.
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  Keep that in mind.
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  He then applied for permanent residency and um under the agriculture worker program, but was rejected.
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  Ayad Mahmoud Ishmael, who drove the van containing the bomb, took English language classes at Wichita State University in Kansas as a student student visa.
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  And after he dropped out, he remained in the United States illegally.
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  So you have two illegal aliens renting and then driving a truck loaded to the top with explosives or nearly to the top.
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  If it had been to the top, engineers believe the towers would have come down sideways.
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  I don't even want to imagine what the death toll would have been.
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  It would have been in the hundreds of thousands.
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  And now we're giving drivers' licenses to illegal aliens and motor vehicle information is being blocked from immigration law enforcement.
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  Put those pieces together and realize New York, which does this had three at least three terror attacks involving motor vehicles.
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  The 93 bombing at the Trade Center, a truck used by an ISIS affiliate on the west side, uh, just blocks from what used to be known as Ground Zero, the World Trade Center, and then we had a car bomb go off in Times Square in 2010.
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  Motor vehicles are used as weapons.
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  They're being used to ram agents and their cause.
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  Sooner or later, God forbid, an agent will be killed because of the use of vehicles, and nearly as many people die every year because of motor vehicle accidents as are killed by firearms, over 40,000 in both cases.
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  Yet in sanctuary states, aliens who can't even prove who they are.
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  That's really what undocumented means are getting driver's licenses, and with it, they can go to any state in our country, rent a car or a U-Haul, and carry out an attack.
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  So what's happening in one state involves every state, and here we are today.
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  Uh, and we're uh, you know, at loggerheads with Iran.
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  We know their operatives are scattered throughout the United States.
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  They tried to abduct this woman uh here in Brooklyn.
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  And um, they're here.
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  They are fearful that they will attack us if we um have to resort to going kinetic on Iran because of its nuclear program and its slaughter of thousands of its own citizens.
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  Well, Michael, that is incredible information, folks.
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  And this will be a podcast, and I'm gonna ask you to share it.
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  Michael, don't go away.
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  We'll go away back.
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  And I want to continue this conversation as we look at what is going on in Minnesota, and also the difference of immigration, maybe 20 years ago and immigration, illegal immigration today, I believe is the birth of all of these NGOs and groups that are being paid off to bring these people here and support them when they're here.
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  And it makes it easier for them to come, it makes it easier for them to lie, and we all know that.
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  Follow the money because that's usually what this is all about.
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  So don't go away, folks.
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  We'll be right back.
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• 29:37
  As we learn the history of immigration and what is really going on and how it is being used as a tool to take down and destroy America and American values.
• 30:00
  Jobs as you were talking about jobs Americans won't do and why it's so important for these quote illegals to be here and they are illegal immigrants and no, they're illegal aliens, not immigrants.
• 30:14
  They are sorry, because we're having a conversation, and it's so ingrained in us that we use that term, and that's what's screwing things up.
• 30:22
  And by the way, think what an insult that is to lawful immigrants because people are unable in their minds today to make a very clear distinction between lawful immigrants who are doing everything they're supposed to do and aliens who aren't.
• 30:37
  Exactly.
• 30:38
  And that was what I was alluding to that we take the word immigrant and we put it on both groups, and it should not be.
• 30:48
  People come here legally, they come here with a purpose.
• 30:51
  Their purpose is to enhance their lives and to become part of the American way of life, and it becomes very important for them to do that.
• 31:02
  Aliens do not, they don't care.
• 31:05
  No, no, no, let's let's be clear illegal aliens, illegal aliens.
• 31:09
  Yeah, that's really important.
• 31:10
  This this Orwellian nonsense.
• 31:12
  You know, I was so angry when Carter did that.
• 31:15
  I I came up with my own term that caught on, and I knew I was getting somewhere when a border patrol agent called me one day from I think he was in Yuma, and he said to me, You have a file on one of those pre-citizens, which became the term I used.
• 31:29
  You arrested him a couple of months ago, and we caught him again.
• 31:32
  So can you please send me his file?
• 31:34
  We used to use paper files.
• 31:36
  So understand language is pivotal.
• 31:39
  I helped to get rid of George W.
• 31:41
  Bush's guest worker program.
• 31:43
  I used to do Lou Dubs a couple times a week, and Lou picked up on the fact that I called Bush's guest worker program, the guest worker amnesty program, and that was a big nail in the coffin of a terrible idea.
• 31:59
  So it's certainly a so critical, folks.
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  Bear pay attention to words.
• 32:04
  Yes, I could not agree more, and I will stand corrected.
• 32:08
  That's okay.
• 32:09
  But it is very important that we use the terms that they are illegal and they are illegal aliens.
• 32:17
  Yes.
• 32:18
  Let us remember that illegal aliens.
• 32:21
  But now take a look at the jobs that they get that Americans don't do.
• 32:26
  They are paid less money, but then how do they survive?
• 32:30
  Because we, the American people, are picking up the tab.
• 32:34
  We're paying for their health care, we're paying for their education, we're paying, we're subsidizing their housing.
• 32:40
  So, of course, an industry can afford to pay them less because they don't have the expenses that we American citizens have.
• 32:50
  And this is something I think if people realize what this was really all about and how this was just to keep a group of people in power.
• 33:00
  And as I say all the time, everything is connected.
• 33:05
  So, what is happening in Minnesota isn't just happening in Minnesota, is it, Mike?
• 33:11
  No, and you know, I was in Minnesota about 15 years ago.
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  State senator asked me to come out, do some speaking engagements.
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  I did ride alongs with the sheriffs.
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  I even uh was uh given a tour of their prisons.
• 33:23
  And here's something interesting.
• 33:25
  Um, but before we do this, uh I want to get to some things.
• 33:28
  I don't want to get off the air with you and think darn it, I didn't make the point I needed to.
• 33:33
  So there's I will go back afterwards and talk about interior enforcement and its role in identifying terrorists, and you know, people keep saying, Well, the American people, I just heard this today on on Fox News.
• 33:44
  The American people want a tight border, but they're not all that excited about going into the factories and so forth.
• 33:50
  So let's think about the history of immigration enforcement, first of all.
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  It started with Roosevelt, FDR during the depression.
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  He wanted to make certain that no American worker would have to compete with a foreign worker for three reasons.
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  Number one, the American would lose the job, number two, wages would be suppressed, and he wanted everybody to get as much money as possible so they could spend it and get the economy going.
• 34:13
  That was the idea behind the economic stimulus packages, right?
• 34:16
  And he also was concerned about money being sent out of the country by foreign workers, the remittances for Mexico, traditionally, the remittances, and that's visible.
• 34:26
  There's a lot of money that gets moved covertly.
• 34:28
  People will buy gold or stuff money into furniture and ship the gold, ship the furniture, ship the appliances loaded with money back into Mexico.
• 34:36
  So the remittances are the visible.
• 34:39
  We don't even know how much is being moved covertly, but the visible money has always accounted for the second greatest source of revenue for the entire Mexican economy.
• 34:51
  It is tens of billions of dollars.
• 34:53
  And when you consider the multiplier effect that says the dollar that circulates through the economy generates three more dollars, money sent out of the country doesn't do that.
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  So every dollar that leaves has a three-fold impact on the U.S.
• 35:08
  economy.
• 35:09
  I don't know why Trump doesn't talk about that in a host of other issues because these are compelling arguments, but it's not only the illegal aliens.
• 35:17
  Alan Greenspan testified for Chuck Schumer at the Senate immigration subcommittee back in 2009, and he spoke glowingly about gates who wanted an unlimited supply of H1B visas.
• 35:30
  And here is how Greenspan explained why it would be so great to flood America with hundreds of thousands of high-tech workers.
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  These are Americans with advanced degrees, master's degrees, PhDs.
• 35:44
  They are computer programmers and scientists and researchers.
• 35:47
  And by bringing in foreign workers, they're taking air technology and shipping it overseas, where it ultimately winds up in the hands of our terror of our enemies.
• 35:56
  So here's what Greenspan said about this.
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  First, skilled workers and their families form new households.
• 36:02
  We're talking about immigrants now, aliens.
• 36:05
  First, skilled workers and their families will form new households.
• 36:08
  They will of necessity move into vacant housing units, the current glut of which is depressing depressing prices of American homes.
• 36:15
  And of course, house price declines are a major factor in mortgage foreclosures and the plungent value of the vast quantity of U.S.
• 36:22
  mortgage-backed securities that has contributed substantially to the disabling of the banking system.
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  This in 2009.
• 36:29
  No, that was a lie.
• 36:30
  He did that to the banking system through the sub-prime mortgages for individuals who couldn't begin to afford to pay that mortgage.
• 36:38
  So he's covering his own tracks using immigration.
• 36:41
  Think of what a what a con guy this guy is.
• 36:43
  And then he said, now this is something I want you all to listen to and think about as I say it.
• 36:48
  I watched this hearing live, and I almost had a meltdown.
• 36:51
  I was on a radio interview the next day, and the young lady who saw his on said, What did you think of Greenspan as he testified?
• 36:57
  And I said, Well, I knew I was witnessing a first.
• 37:00
  She said, What kind of a first?
• 37:02
  I said, It's the first time I'd ever seen someone testify before Congress who was suffering from rigor mortis.
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  You can tell I don't like this man.
• 37:09
  He says this.
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  The second bonus of unlimited H1B visas would address the increasing concentration of income in this country.
• 37:19
  Someone's getting too rich, according to him.
• 37:22
  Right.
• 37:31
  But what he's basically saying, flood America with highly skilled workers, and you could drive down middle class wages into the basement.
• 37:39
  And then he said skill shortages in America exist because we are shielding our skilled labor force from world competition.
• 37:47
  Well, actually, that's what the law calls for.
• 37:49
  That's why when you hear politicians say we need to modernize the immigration laws, what they're really saying is let's change the law so that you can legally not hire any Americans that only hire foreign workers.
• 38:02
  That is what their view of a modernized immigration system is.
• 38:06
  It is a knife in the back for every hardworking American.
• 38:10
  And he goes on and says, quotas have been substituted for the wage pricing mechanism.
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  And in the process, we have created.
• 38:18
  Now listen to this term, a privileged elite whose incomes are being supported by non-competitively high levels by immigration quotas on skilled professionals, eliminating such restrictions.
• 38:31
  That is the quotas would reduce at least some of our income inequality.
• 38:36
  In other words, if you could flood America with an unlimited number of foreign, highly skilled workers, you could drive American wages for the middle class into the ground so there would be no middle class and there would be one class all living in poverty while he and the people at the top of that economic food chain would literally and figuratively be making out like bandits.
• 38:59
  Think about that, folks.
• 39:00
  Yeah, hold that thought because you hit the nail on the head, and that was one of the major causes of the housing crisis.
• 39:10
  That and shipping jobs overseas, because I was a mortgage broker.
• 39:14
  These people, when they bought their houses, they could afford them.
• 39:18
  When their wages got decreased or they didn't get raises, and they didn't uh were not able to keep up with a mortgage that may have recalculated itself to a higher interest rate.
• 39:30
  That is what happened with the mortgage crisis, aside from the fact that they uh tried to put the uh mortgages together and sell them as uh mortgage back.
• 39:41
  Well, they bundled them and they called them derivatives, they gave them all kinds of space.
• 39:47
  It was a scale.
• 39:49
  It was three card monty, but it was not the people that started out buying a house that they couldn't afford.
• 39:55
  It was the government that created the atmosphere.
• 40:00
  That took away the wages, made these people live in homes that they could no longer.
• 40:06
  So there's another paragraph I want to read.
• 40:08
  And this again, 9 11 Commission staff report on terrorist travel.
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  It's an official report published by the government printing office.
• 40:14
  Terrorists in the 1990s, as well as the September 11th hijackers, needed to find a way to stay in or embed themselves in the United States if their operational plans were to come to fruition.
• 40:26
  As already discussed, this could be accomplished legally by marrying an American citizen, achieving temporary worker status or applying for asylum.
• 40:32
  There we go again after entering.
• 40:34
  In many cases, the act of filing for an immigration benefit sufficed to permit the alien to remain in the country until the petition was adjudicated.
• 40:44
  Terrorists, terrorists, were free to conduct surveillance, coordinate operations, obtain and receive funding, go to school and learn English, make contacts in the United States, acquire necessary materials, and execute and attack.
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  Think about what I just said to you.
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  Execute and attack.
• 41:04
  And then it goes on and says this, the report.
• 41:06
  Thus, abuse of the immigration system and a lack of interior immigration enforcement were unlit wittingly working together to support terrorist activities.
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  It will remain largely unknown since no agency of the U.S.
• 41:18
  government analyzed terror travel patterns until after 9 11.
• 41:22
  This lack of attention meant that critical opportunities to disrupt terrorist travel and therefore deadly terrorist operations were missed.
• 41:31
  And now you have the leaders of these states saying, Oh, we don't want interior enforcement.
• 41:38
  Well, they must have read the report and said this is going to mess up our plans, perhaps.
• 41:42
  Now, when you think of Minnesota, you think quiet town in the middle of nowhere.
• 41:47
  Is there really a threat of terrorism in Minnesota?
• 41:50
  Does anybody remember Zachariah Masaui?
• 41:53
  Do you?
• 41:54
  Karen?
• 41:55
  Yes.
• 41:56
  Zachariah Massali, right?
• 41:58
  Was the so-called 20th hijacker?
• 42:01
  He came on a French passport, and he went to flying school, gave $8,000 in hard cash to the instructor, and said, I want to fly that airline simulator.
• 42:12
  Didn't have a pilot's license, but he wanted to go directly into a simulator for a jet airliner, not learn how to land, not learn how to take off, learn how to guide it through the air with accuracy.
• 42:25
  And the instructor immediately called the FBI.
• 42:28
  Do you know where this was?
• 42:30
  Isn't this one Miami in uh Fort Lauderdale?
• 42:34
  Minneapolis.
• 42:35
  Oh, Minneapolis.
• 42:36
  Minneapolis with a big Somali community, which has a link to terrorism, has a link to Al Shabaab and Hamas and Al Qaeda.
• 42:45
  So understand when wait when we hear this nonsense.
• 42:49
  Oh, I don't live in New York.
• 42:50
  I don't well, Minneapolis is where this guy went for flying lessons.
• 42:54
  Now, I had a big fight with Bob Goodlat, who at the time was the Republican chairman of the House Judiciary Committee on the Business of H1B visas.
• 43:02
  My my first wife died nearly 40 years ago.
• 43:05
  She was a brilliant programmer, computer programmer had an EBA in computer science.
• 43:09
  Um she was well known throughout the entire industry, and she and her colleagues, many of them were women, with one exception, they were all American citizens, were doing well, making good money, building their careers, supporting themselves and their families, and then in comes an influx of tens of thousands of Indian programmers who work for let's say a third the wage.
• 43:31
  So an American programmer should be making 200,000 if you have a master's degree and years of experience.
• 43:36
  Gone.
• 43:37
  And in fact, if you want to go online, Dan Rather did a report worth watching.
• 43:41
  It's a video called No Thanks for Everything, where he interviewed three or four programmers who were fired, not for cause, but just because.
• 43:50
  And who were they replaced by?
• 43:52
  People from India.
• 43:53
  And I talked to Bob Goodlad, and I said, Why don't the Republicans go after the Democrats because Schumer invited this guy, Alan Greenspan to talk about the H1Bs?
• 44:03
  Well, Goodlat wouldn't do it.
• 44:04
  And I tried three times that he kept changing the subject.
• 44:07
  And finally he said to me, Mr.
• 44:08
  Cutler, I'm sure your late wife was a wonderful person, a billion programmer, but my son knows tons about programming and computers, and he would disagree.
• 44:17
  He'd love to see tens of thousands of Indian programmers come to America.
• 44:22
  So I looked up his son.
• 44:23
  I didn't even know he had a son.
• 44:25
  Look it up, folks.
• 44:26
  Bobby Goodlap made his fortune working with Zuckerberg at Facebook, doing what?
• 44:31
  Importing an army of Indian programmers.
• 44:34
  It's both parties that have done this to us.
• 44:37
  And then when Donald Trump says we're going after the worst of the worst, to be honest, it's a bad strategy.
• 44:44
  Yes, he is.
• 44:44
  And when I worked with Al D'Amato to create the reentry law, I told the senator, I said, Al, you have to go after the criminals as the priority, but pick up the collateral arrests because we need to make sure the immigration system has integrity.
• 44:58
  People who are here illegally may be here just because they're desperate because of financial reasons, but they may be fugitives.
• 45:04
  They may be wanted for terrible crimes in their own countries.
• 45:07
  They may be here because they're setting up a terror cell.
• 45:10
  They may be here because they're part of a drug cartel and setting up shop in our cities, right?
• 45:15
  We don't know.
• 45:16
  In fact, it's been said that an effective spy or terrorist wouldn't attract the attention of a waiter or waitress at a greasy spoon diner and might in point of fact be that waiter or waitress.
• 45:25
  I remember arresting a dishwasher in a diner in Staten Island when we went back to his apartment.
• 45:30
  He was from Egypt.
• 45:31
  He had shopping bags filled to the top with coupons he could never use.
• 45:35
  Dog food, formula, diapers, you get the point.
• 45:38
  Couldn't explain it.
• 45:39
  We deported him.
• 45:40
  We found out afterwards, yes, Sir Arafat was getting a hundred million dollars a year from coupon fraud being committed by aliens from the Middle East, sending them to these grocery stores, the bodegas who cashed them in and then took the money and sent it to Arafat.
• 45:56
  And when they realized that we were onto them, they started burning down the bodegas and people died.
• 46:02
  These people, I would argue, were terrorists.
• 46:05
  So Donald Trump should be talking about all of that.
• 46:08
  And you know what?
• 46:09
  If there's a few illegal aliens taking some jobs, that's fine.
• 46:13
  But you're talking about tens of millions, and the impact is pervasive throughout the entire country.
• 46:20
  Go to an ER, um, and you might have to wait a day because illegal aliens with no health insurance use the ER as their primary health care provider.
• 46:29
  As an educator, you could appreciate this.
• 46:31
  The congressional budget office did a study and found it costs 20 to 40 percent more to educate children who can't speak, read or write English.
• 46:39
  Okay, so not only do you need more teachers and more classrooms just for those extra kids, now you need to take money out of programs from children with learning disabilities, American kids with autism with ADHD.
• 46:51
  And now that money is going to English as a second language.
• 46:54
  And when there's a drought, you if he brought in 20 million people, that means every day they are consuming two billion with a B, two billion gallons of water.
• 47:05
  They need electricity.
• 47:07
  So the impact they're having on critical infrastructure is off the charts.
• 47:11
  So, yes, that one person who's here illegally and he seems to be a nice guy.
• 47:15
  Maybe he is, maybe he's lying, he might be a sleeper agent.
• 47:18
  But even under the best of circumstances, every person within our borders has an economic and ecological impact.
• 47:27
  So we can't allow that to happen.
• 47:30
  As a teacher, could you imagine a first grade teacher with a hundred children in the class?
• 47:34
  You'd have chaos.
• 47:35
  So we limit the number of kids.
• 47:36
  We number limit the number of people on airplanes.
• 47:39
  Why?
• 47:39
  Well, the airplane can only lift a certain amount of weight, but airplanes, if you don't know it, under the FAA regulations, have to be able to be evacuated in under 90 seconds in case of a crash landing.
• 47:51
  So they limit the number.
• 47:52
  You go into any public building, house of worship, bowling gallery, restaurant, there's always a sign by order of the fire commissioner.
• 47:59
  Only so many people can be here.
• 48:00
  Same problem.
• 48:02
  Structural problems and evacuation issues.
• 48:05
  So we understand that we limit how many people can occupy a space.
• 48:09
  America, just like Clint Eastwood said, a man's got to know his limitations.
• 48:13
  Countries have to know their limitations.
• 48:15
  So that's why what Trump is doing is important.
• 48:18
  But simply saying we're going after the worst of the worst.
• 48:22
  And I wish he wouldn't denounce we're going to be in this city or that city before you do it.
• 48:27
  We always maintained integrity of the investigation and of the field op so nobody knew we were coming until we got there because if you're going after dangerous people, and I did, you don't want to give them a heads up because they may well have weapons and other things going on in that apartment that we don't have knowledge about.
• 48:44
  So it endangers the agents.
• 48:46
  We didn't go into Iran telling them, hey, bring your binoculars and cameras.
• 48:50
  There's going to be fireworks in your nuclear facility tomorrow, right?
• 48:53
  We did it by stealth.
• 48:55
  In fact, it was the stealth bombers that took it out.
• 48:58
  Same thing going after Maduro in um in Venezuela.
• 49:02
  So I I wish that there was a little less hoopla.
• 49:05
  Um the the uh opposition, and and these are uh not only opposition to Trump, but they're opponents of America, uh, are looking for an opportunity to create those images that are disturbing.
• 49:20
  No American who's reasonable wants to imagine our law enforcement being brutal, and yet in defending themselves, the people that want open borders are creating those images that are very disturbing and very persuasive to folks who don't understand what's really going on and why interior enforcement is so important.
• 49:39
  Final thought.
• 49:40
  I want you to think of immigration as a follow on to what the military does.
• 49:45
  The shared common missions for all branches of U.S.
• 49:49
  armed services is to keep the enemies of our country as far from our shores as possible.
• 49:54
  Up close and in person, that vital mission falls to the men and women of the U.S.
• 49:59
  Coast Guard.
• 50:00
  The U.S.
• 50:00
  border patrol and ICE.
• 50:02
  That's the right way to think about immigration law enforcement.
• 50:06
  Oh, absolutely.
• 50:07
  And I believe that the uh that President Trump and his team need to do a lot better in messaging.
• 50:15
  I would like to see them buy some TV time and show a picture of these people and what they have done to American citizens.
• 50:25
  Nobody remembers the American citizens who have been killed.
• 50:28
  Well, they're talking they're talking about that.
• 50:31
  But what but that was that goes with this and they've been doing that though here in New York.
• 50:36
  But that goes with the worst of the worst.
• 50:38
  But those, but we don't, we should not only be limiting arrests to quote the worst of the worst.
• 50:43
  Okay, that's the point.
• 50:45
  Because then they will find someone who doesn't have a known known criminal history.
• 50:50
  I'm very clear in that.
• 50:52
  It's very hard to know if someone's a criminal coming from the third world, their countries or their governments are dysfunctional, maybe don't want to cooperate with us, are happy to send terrorists our way.
• 51:03
  And when Trump talks about we're going to send our people into blue cities, I really disagree.
• 51:08
  It ought to be sanctuary cities.
• 51:10
  Of course, they're one and the same, but the issue isn't the politics.
• 51:14
  The issue are the policies, and those policies undermine public health, public safety, national security, and jobs and wages for Americans.
• 51:23
  It's not about race.
• 51:24
  And by the way, folks, I'm going to end it with this.
• 51:27
  I want you to look this section of law up or look at my articles.
• 51:30
  I've done a ton of writing in the past, or front page magazine.
• 51:33
  My website is Michael Cutler.net.
• 51:35
  But go to Title VIII, United States Code Section 1182.
• 51:40
  Title Eight, Section 1182.
• 51:43
  It enumerates the categories of aliens who are to be kept out of the country.
• 51:47
  There isn't a single word about race, not a single word about religion, not a single word about ethnicity.
• 51:53
  It's about keeping up people with dangerous communicable diseases, severe mental illness and prone to violence or sex offenses, people who are criminals and terrorists and spies and human rights violators and so forth.
• 52:05
  So it's basically about protecting public health, public safety, national security and Americans' jobs.
• 52:11
  And I'd love to know how politicians are able to wage successful campaigns being vocally opposed to those laws and those vital objectives.
• 52:21
  And that would be the messaging.
• 52:24
  That would be what should be brought out, not what we're doing now.
• 52:29
  Because people don't, people are emotional.
• 52:32
  And if we don't use off when we see what's being done to innocent people, and what's being done to our country, as well as uh the policies that we have and how they're being used against us.
• 52:48
  Um the messaging of this administration is very disappointing.
• 52:52
  I am sorry to say.
• 52:56
  Yes, go right ahead, Michael.
• 52:58
  Okay, I'm sorry about that.
• 52:59
  That's okay.
• 53:00
  You know, they and I wrote about the caravans coming up from Latin America.
• 53:05
  We really the term caravan was the wrong word.
• 53:07
  It was a gravy train.
• 53:09
  Because those aliens provided an unlimited supply of clientele for immigration law firms, and you have immigration lawyers on both sides of the aisle.
• 53:17
  Zoe Lofgren on the Democrat side in those days.
• 53:21
  Pardon me, it was Bob Goodlat, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, which in part oversees immigration.
• 53:26
  It was an unlimited supply of clients for the NGOs.
• 53:30
  There was a story about one guy who worked for Biden on the transition team for DHS.
• 53:36
  When he left that job, he went to work as an executive with a company that had never gotten immigration contracts.
• 53:43
  They did some military work but never did anything for immigration.
• 53:46
  They got a contract for something on the order of 150 million dollars, as I recall, and they found 17 million dollars that they were paid for beds never used by anybody.
• 53:57
  They just pocketed it.
• 53:58
  And when did that happen?
• 54:00
  As soon as this guy went from Biden to this private company.
• 54:03
  It also provides an unlimited supply of clientele for realtors, jacking up the price of housing as you put more people into existing housing, jacking up the size of the mortgages people need to take out to buy the ever more expensive housing.
• 54:18
  And then as these folks are moving money out of the country, the banks and the money remitters, Western Union and so forth, are getting their cut.
• 54:27
  They are the silent partner to all this money leaving the United States.
• 54:31
  So if Donald Trump wants to talk about tariffs, he should be also talking about remittances.
• 54:36
  He should be talking about the entire impact on the environment, on the economy, on critical infrastructure that unbridled, unchecked immigration creates, and it hurts everybody.
• 54:48
  And I remember I was at MSMC, they cut my microphone.
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  It was during the bird flu.
• 54:52
  Yeah.
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  And I was an advocate for the wall, but only as part of the problem.
• 54:56
  You know, we have a hundred thousand mile border if you look at the seacoast and so forth.
• 55:01
  But they said, do you really think the wall's going to keep birds from flying across the border?
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  And they cut my mic so I couldn't answer them.
• 55:09
  Well, that's what they do.
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  That's what they are very good at.
• 55:12
  And uh, Mike, I want to think that ever happened, and I and I refuse to do that show again.
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  But here's the point.
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  I wasn't looking to stop the birds.
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  That's ridiculous.
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  But when people were coming across the southern border for treatment, if they used up all the medical supplies at the hospitals, it's first come, first serve.
• 55:30
  Americans might lose their lives because they ran out of the drugs that were needed.
• 55:34
  Absolutely.
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  And we are facing we are facing that right now.
• 55:38
  And Michael, thank you so much for joining me.
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  This is always a fabulous uh history and current uh information that we have to share, folks.
• 55:49
  This is critical, and it is so important to make sure that our country is healthy with American citizens, and that's what America is about, not bringing in third world countries and turning America into a third world country.
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