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UN strikes out again with destructive COP30 · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Mainstream media has betrayed our trust.
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  Rather than tell us the whole story about the important issues of the day, they tell us only what they want us to hear.
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  Your hosts, Tom Harris and Todd Royal will bring you the other side of the story.
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  One of the greatest ironies of the annual United Nations climate conferences, the latest of which called COP 30 started on Thursday in Balim, Brazil, is the large number of delegates flying to an event that preaches massive restrictions on flying.
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  For example, when I attended COP 15, the United Nations' 15th major climate conference in 2009 in Copenhagen, I was astonished to find that at about 30,000 attendees, it was literally the biggest conference in world history.
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  More than 85 leaders attended COP15.
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  That was another record for any conference on any topic ever.
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  Everyone from U.S.
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  President Barack Obama to Chinese Premier Wen Jambao to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, as well as the heads of state of the UK, Germany, France, India, the Philippines, and many other countries were in attendance.
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  But Todd, do you think that the Copenhagen Climate Conference with its 30,000 delegates still holds the records for the largest meeting in history?
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  I'm gonna say yes, Tom.
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  I'll go, I'll go yes, though.
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  I think I'm about to be told I'm wrong.
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  What's the answer?
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  Well, the answer is that two years ago, the conference in uh Dubai, believe it or not, had almost 90,000 delegates attended.
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  Not as three three times as big as Copenhagen.
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  And this is from a group that tell us we shouldn't be flying.
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  Did you know that for this COP conference that supposedly they had to build new roads and actually bulldoze pristine rainforest to make new roads to bring the delegates in there?
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  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  They had to build a four-lane highway, cut down tens of thousands of acres of rainforest, which of course the conference says they're there to protect, and then build an eight-mile-long uh road.
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  So, and and you know, Todd, the thing that's crazy about it is they have walls on each, they have walls on each side of it, so the local people can't even use it if they need to get to the hospital in downtown Berlin.
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  So, I mean, it's just insane, you know.
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  And of course, then they're building lots of hotels and all kinds of other facilities, knocking down more rainforest because Belim is right at the edge of the rainforest.
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  So it's pretty hypocritical.
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  They fly thousands, tens of thousands of delegates, putting out tons of emissions, and then they cut down a whole lot of rainforests to build highways.
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  So I mean, this is a conference to protect the environment.
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  What do you think when you hear that?
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  Well, I think that these people are just taking advantage of the government money to have a great time.
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  Ding ding-ding-ding-ding.
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  I'd say I'd say amen to that.
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  And what it really shows too is that uh I've always argued this kind of nebulous concept of climate change.
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  I would always say change it to pollution control.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  You know, hey, go pick up, let's let's work on world mitigation of trash pickup.
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  Let's start with India.
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  Let's let's do clean water, let's do um sewer systems, meaning something that's really tangible right there on the ground.
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  I would always argue that pollution control is much more important than this concept of the climate and air.
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  Of course, air is important.
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  No one's saying it's not important, but this concept of climate, why not call it the conference on pollution control plus clean air?
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  Well, yeah, but you see, what they've done is they've used 1984 newspeak because they call carbon dioxide carbon pollution, and they do it all over the place.
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  You know, first of all, it's not carbon, it's carbon is like graphite or soot.
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  I mean, that really is carbon.
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  This is carbon dioxide, but carbon forms more compounds than any other element, and it's everything from poisons to PCBs to you and me to butterflies to carbon carbon dioxide.
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  So they get around it and make it look like a conference about pollution by calling it carbon pollution, you know, and and that they're saving the environment, which of course is ludicrous because the more CO2 we have, the better we do.
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  In fact, we've had massive crop increase and forests are growing and deserts are shrinking, you know.
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  Like, what the heck?
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  Did what did you think about Bill Gates' comments, which have been just vilified, of course, by environment, environmentalists and the United Nations and the usual people, you know, the usual liberal, frankly, socialist communist environmentalist.
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  What did you think about what uh Bill Gates had to say?
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  Yeah, Bill Gates actually moved over to and actually is funding Beyond Lomborg from Copenhagen, the Copenhagen Consensus Center.
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  And Lomborg, I'm not really a fan of Longboard because he came to Ottawa and I went to the microphone and asked him, you know, well, you know, you you say, and this is now what Gates is saying, that climate change is still a problem, but we get more bang for the buck if we actually go after other things, you know, like micronutrients that are missing, or you know, poverty alleviation, giving people proper energy.
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  So I mean, he's what you might call a lukewarmer.
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  He says, Yeah, we're causing we're causing climate change, but it's not a disaster, and we should focus on other things first.
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  And that's what both of them said.
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  And it's interesting.
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  Uh, you know, the smog blog, who are the ultimate enemies of all climate realists?
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  They just wrote an article about how Bill Gates gave three and a half million dollars to be on Lombard.
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  Yeah.
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  I I think what I found so interesting about Bill Gates, of course, is that you know, he'll turn back.
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  If Gavin Newson's elected U.S.
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  president, he'll become he'll be a climate alarmist again.
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  He's yeah, he's the ultimate, you know, amoral businessman.
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  Yeah, changeling.
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  Well, yeah, what is has no beliefs, has no real core values.
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  I'm not saying he doesn't love his children, or maybe if he has a girlfriend or something like that, but he has no real core beliefs except what's gonna make me wealthier.
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  Right.
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  And he yeah, that's actually that's key, I think, to his his conversion to non-catastrophy.
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  And you know, he's still he still says it's a problem, but he says, yeah, you know, you gotta push it down the priority list a bit because we have other things to deal with.
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  And if it were true that we were causing climate problems, his position would be quite quite rational.
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  But but you know, the thing is he wants to be able to have coal-fired power stations or or energy stations generally, which will power AI data centers, and and he can't do it on wind and solar power.
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  So obviously he hasn't a strong vested interest that okay, yeah, we don't really have to end all these massive power plants because he wants to build AI centers.
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  It's it, yeah.
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  So there's there's no there's no core belief there.
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  There's no ideology there.
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  I I would call him a person you can easily understand via human human nature.
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  He's an opportunist, he's selfish.
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  You know, what's gonna make my Microsoft stock be worth more and more building more energy intensive data centers that will use more of Microsoft products, etc.
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  etc.
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  So there's no core beliefs.
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  The the other one I found so interesting.
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  Did you hear Antonio Guterres's the UN Secretary General?
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  Did you hear his response this past?
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  I didn't hear it.
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  Okay.
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  Oh, what do you what did he say?
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  He gave uh a very impassioned speech, of course, where he just railed on that you know that we are failing to keep global warming within the 1.5 uh Celsius threshold.
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  He called the failure to make this, you know, this red line for a habitable planet a moral failure and a deadly negligence.
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  Um wow strongly criticized fossil fuel companies saying they're lobbying misinformation and subsidies are delaying the transition, imposing a bet against humanity and your own economies.
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  He said that COP30, the world must shift course that you should accelerate emissions reductions, and you need to support adaptation and vulnerable populations, code speak for socialism, code speaking for redistribution of income.
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  Uh electric vehicles, that everything that I just mentioned is completely in a hundred almost literally 100% has to be done in China, relying fully on the Chinese communist party.
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  And of course, when you look at uh Mr.
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  Guterres's uh background, former prime minister of Portugal, a small nothing country.
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  This did Lisbon before, lovely area, but and the thing about a guy like him is he actually has an engineering degree from one of uh Portugal's top engineering schools.
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  So he should know better.
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  He should know that an he should know that an energy transition for society takes generations.
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  I mean, think about Vaklav Smill.
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  Okay, he's written a book, and actually I'm I'm going through it right now, Energy and Civilization, I believe it's called.
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  Oh, it's it's the it's the end.
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  I I've read it cover to cover.
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  Oh, okay.
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  Good.
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  So it's worth my time.
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  Absolutely.
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  What he
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  What he says, I'm sorry to interrupt you.
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  Keep going, and I have uh something to add to about that.
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  Well, yeah, and apparently, and maybe you can expand on this more because I've only read the first few pages.
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  The energy transition is not going to happen in 10, 20, 30 years, is it?
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  No, typically transitions, and and he's he's referred to it in others.
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  Mark P.
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  Mills, who you and I both have read and we love and recommend formally of the Manhattan Institute.
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  Most transitions take at the at the very least 40 years, typically 100 years.
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  If if we go industrial revolution, let's just make our math easier 1850, 1950, 2050.
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  So we're right now at 135, 135 years.
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  Um, how the world came from nothing to finally using something.
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  So we we built factories, we begin to use kerosene.
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  We'd gone from you know, whale oil where we were slaughtering whales for their oil, we burned wood, so we were stripping most of the earth of forest and wood.
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  Um, also Michael Novak's uh what's it called?
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  Democratic capitalism and in support of democratic capitalism, not socialism.
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  You talk about these transitions, typically they go from let's call it cow dung and wood, which is what we typically have, and we have in big chunks of the global south.
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  Then you'll go to kerosene oil, then you get to petroleum, then you'll go to coal coal in there, yeah.
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  Dense energy source.
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  So, yeah, yeah, oil kind of gets before coal.
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  Some people argue I'd say because coal, I can't typically just go burn it.
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  I burn that oil, it's very easy to do.
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  Then you go from coal to natural gas, natural gas to nuclear.
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  Well, yeah, in fact, I I have something here that is nuclear energy, and it has a pellet, okay, and it's put out by AACL, Atomic Energy of Canada.
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  It says one uranium pellet, and to give people an idea, it's about a little over a centimeter in long, um, is equivalent in energy provided to 800 and kilogram, 807 kilograms of coal, 677 liters of oil, 476 cubic meters of natural gas, and that is a little pebble, a little uh pebble, uh, sorry, um, capsule that is about oh, just over a centimeter long, you know.
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  So it's pretty amazing.
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  It says um it talks about how long it would actually power.
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  It says a fuel bundle weighing 23 kilograms can provide enough energy for an average home for about a hundred years, a hundred years.
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  One fuel bundle is used in the reactor for 12 to 18 months, and then of course, then they have to take it out.
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  And uh, so Todd, the question about this, of course, is the environments go crazy saying, Oh my god, it's terrible radioactive waste.
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  How do you handle that?
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  It's not it, it's it's what what's happened is in Michael Schellenberger's done the best work on this, is people were told they equate nuclear power with a nuclear weapon, right?
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  So that's that's how this began.
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  So people were so devastated morally, emotionally, psychologically by the use of nuclear weapons to end world war two.
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  Yeah, they then equated nuclear power with nuclear weapons, and so the waste, it's actually not waste, it's actually spent nuclear fuel.
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  You only use about five percent of the uranium, so all of the all of the quote unquote spent or waste that's stored at nuclear power plants or in repositories.
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  You can take all of that out and use it again.
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  It's it's it's a little bit.
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  I've always said it's it's a little bit like if you had a car, you had a 20 uh I don't I don't know the liter equivalent, but I'll use the American measurements 20 a 20 gallon tank in a in a car, and you only drove it about a gallon, so 20, that's five percent, and then I took the car and I stopped and I stopped driving it forever.
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  That's what that's what that's what you're doing with this.
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  It's just because on base based on current every nuclear reactor in the world, except for about three or about four are cooled by water, you cool it using water, and that's also done for other types of power plants.
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  So, with this, when you're quote unquote done with the uranium foot fuel rod, you've only used five percent of the power.
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  Uh-huh.
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  Wow.
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  I had something kind of a little off topic, but sort of related.
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  You said nuclear weapons.
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  Here's a really neat story that I just learned the other day.
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  Uh, and I had never known this.
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  And it concerns what Japan thought about the United States' arsenal of nuclear weapons.
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  You might remember after the second bomb was dropped, they had no more bombs.
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  Okay, it was going to take them till the end of the year.
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  We were in August of that point in 1945.
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  It was going to take them to the end of the year before they had another one.
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  Well, here's something you might not know.
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  The Japanese intelligence community, they kidnapped an American hostage.
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  They took him as a prisoner, and they tore and they tortured him because they were convinced that he knew how many bombs the Americans had.
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  And at first, he's he didn't know, hey, he wasn't in that kind of loop.
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  And but they kept they kept torturing him.
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  So he, in a desperate attempt to stop the torture, told them that there was a hundred more bombs, and the and he had enough technical knowledge that he could make it sound plausible.
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  And so the Japanese actually believed him.
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  And the information oh, yeah, the information got to the emperor, and the war council had voted two to two as to whether or not to surrender.
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  Okay.
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  There were actually there was one Japanese general who said that even if Japan is reduced to a radioactive wasteland and every city was destroyed, they should not um they should not surrender.
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  Yeah, they should not surrender because it was beneath their dignity to surrender.
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  The for the first time in over a thousand years, the Japanese emperor came to the war meeting and voted to surrender.
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  Can you imagine that?
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  And it was based on a lie from an American POW who was tortured.
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  And isn't that poetic justice?
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  Because it's against the Geneva Convention, of course, to torture prisoners.
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  They got information, they got information that ended the war by breaking the Geneva.
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  Yeah, I had no idea.
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  So they weren't sure he was telling the truth, but he was able to convince them that it was the truth, and so he saved tens, hundreds of thousands of lives by lying to also protect himself, which I thought was a pretty amazing story.
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  That is that is interesting.
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  I I want to return back to Bill Gates again in regard in regards to COP 30.
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  Isn't it interesting how so Antonio Guterres, who is an engineer who knows that would know about carbon, who would know about can know about energy systems.
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  This is an educated person.
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  Um, this is someone that was former prime minister of Portugal.
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  So understands a rudimentary understanding of power systems and electricity grids.
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  Isn't it interesting how not one person the you know, call it people I call the left or socialist or the U.S.
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  Democratic Party or you know, the greens of Europe or the green, you know, the the party of of Mark Carney, people like that.
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  Not one person has asked Bill Gates the question, why have you switched?
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  Why what happened that just four years ago, you're putting out books that are talking about a climate catastrophe.
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  We're we're uncontrollably boiling the earth.
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  What has changed since 2021?
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  I don't think you'd want to admit the reason because obviously the reason is that he wants dependable energy for his AI data centers, you know.
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  I mean, I think that's pretty obvious.
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  It's also possible that he was convinced by Bjorn Lomborg that it's not this ultimate crisis, you know.
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  Um, it's possible that's the case, but I think there's a little more fascinated interest involved.
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  Yeah, me as well.
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  I I back to energy and civilization.
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  Vaclev Smill talks about CO2 emissions, and he says, he goes essentially, he goes, We really don't know what it's gonna do.
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  He he's also talked about.
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  I mean, he's gone into everything you can imagine about energy and all the inputs for modern society, kind of similar to my co-author of my books, Ron Stein.
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  He goes even farther than Ron does.
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  But what he actually says, he goes, we really don't know what putting all of this CO2 in the air actually means.
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  When you read that, I'm being very simplistic, and you'll get to it.
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  I would counter him a little bit, though, Professor Smill.
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  If you ever listen to this, know that uh I I darn near worship the ground you walk on.
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  The problem is is we do know what it does.
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  We do know that CO2 greens the earth.
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  We do know that we're not as warm as we used to be.
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  We do realize that before we shot any CO2 up into the air, as you and I've talked about numerous times, it was hotter, it was colder, and there's more parts per million.
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  We know that for a fact, and that is the entire argument for global warming or climate change, whatever you want to call it.
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  What uh yeah, that's a point that we should emphasize.
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  We know the benefits, but the problem the problems are very hypothetical and are not borne out if you look at the geologic record.
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  When we had 10 times as much CO2, it was sometimes much colder than today.
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  Well, like let me ask you this, Tom.
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  So
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  We know that climates change.
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  They they truly will, hey, it's going to be hotter, but that's a hotter, colder, more stuff in the earth.
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  That's a three to five hundred year period.
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  That's typically what it is.
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  We we've had these other periods that will last 100,000 years, a million years.
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  I'm gonna go with for our listeners.
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  I'm not making a religious observation.
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  I'm not making an evolution observation.
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  I'm just gonna say, we're gonna say for the sake of this argument, it's an older Earth.
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  Okay.
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  We're gonna say that.
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  So we know that, and I realize people can dispute this.
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  People who are creationists, I'm your people, so don't freak out on us.
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  But we know that that there have been times before the industrial revolution that there was more CO2 in the air.
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  So I'm asking you as an engineer, you know, your your decades-long background.
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  Shouldn't COP30 focus on what do we think are actually the long-term effects of putting CO2 in the air from fossil fuel power plants or emission tailpipes or factories?
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  And shouldn't we be comparing that with all of these different periods in the Earth's history of when it was higher and there was no such thing as everything that I just I just said so shouldn't cop focus on understanding what that really means?
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  Yeah, you would think so.
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  And but you know, that's one of the reasons they don't involve geologists very much because geologists just laugh at the climate scare.
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  They say, Oh, come on, you know, like CO2 was 10 times higher in the past, and we had very cold conditions, temperature was much higher in the past, and the earth did fantastically.
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  I mean, the plants in our environment right now, they evolved at a time when CO2 was much higher, which of course is why we pump CO2 into greenhouses.
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  So, yeah, those sorts of people say we should hope CO2 doubles or even triples because yeah, that's when those plants evolved, and we'll get a lot more growth, you know.
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  And Todd, can we switch back to the COP conference?
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  Because there's so much there's there's so much to unpack.
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  By the time this interview is actually broadcast, COP will have been underway for a couple of days.
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  So, what is this cop?
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  Is it a bunch of police running around?
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  I mean, I think we have to actually drill down a little bit, don't you?
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  I do, and it it I think it's exactly what you said when we began the show.
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  It's it's a bunch of people who are getting a bunch of grifters who are getting a bunch of money to travel the world, have a good time and pretend they're actually doing something.
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  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  That's all that's all it is.
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  Well, it goes back to another Brazil meeting back in 1992.
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  And that was when the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, their very first meeting, and they you know, they decided that we're gonna have the the world get together and stop this enormous crisis.
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  Now, the interesting thing is that the UN science body, the IPCC, the intergovernmental panel on climate change, at that point, they hadn't actually said there was a climate emergency.
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  So when the framework convention on climate change was created in 1992, which was signed in 94 by all the countries, and by the way, COP is conference of the parties to the framework convention on climate change.
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  Okay, so COP is conference of the parties to that convention.
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  So COP uh won, I believe, was in 1995, but the next year after it passed in 94.
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  But the interesting thing is after COP got going, they needed the scientific support to actually make their case.
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  So the actual mandate of the IPCC, the intergovernmental panel on climate change, the actual science body, the mandate was changed to not look at all the causes of climate change.
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  The mandate of the IPCC became to support the framework convention on climate change.
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  Now the framework convention was a political thing, and they had decided, they decided that CO2 was this great danger.
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  So the IPCC was no longer informing COP or the conference of the parties of the framework convention.
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  It was now designed to actually support the preordained conclusion that there was a massive problem.
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  So the IPCC then changed its mandate to only look at the causes of climate change caused by us.
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  So it's a core, it's a it's a corrupt process.
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  Oh, it's and then, of course, too, you know, Uteris, who has been pushing his climate justice, climate change nonsense for years now, along with poverty alleviation, whatever that means, which we know how to alleviate poverty.
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  What it really is about is that you know, he's pushed very hard for climate finance, where he says that rich nations, of course, which exclude China and India and Africa, they should give a one they should give 100 billion each, an annual commitment every year of 100 billion dollars to increase adaptation funding for developing economies.
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  If I were to poke on that thread, I'd go, Great, okay, oh, good, good.
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  You want to, okay, great.
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  So if you want perfectly clean air, does that mean you're gonna give up all notions of solar panels, wind turbines, electric vehicles, because actually I can prove out that they're dirtier than what they're supposedly going to replace.
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  And instead, we'll do nuclear power plants all over Africa, all over India, and all over China.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  That wouldn't you always make sense?
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  Yeah, don't you think COP should be pushing nuclear power right now?
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  Or at the very least, natural gas, which we know is cleaner than what it takes to build solar panels and wind turbines and electric vehicles and all the mining, refining and processing of the over 50 rare earth metals, minerals, resins, plastics, etc., concrete, cement, rebar, iron that it takes to build what I just described.
• 26:12
  Wouldn't it wouldn't it be better, Tom, to do natural gas and nuclear everywhere?
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  And you really have to maintain fossil fuels if you want to run the society because you need to actually have all the plastics and everything else that go into making wind and solar power and everything else.
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  You know, we have to go for a break, but I'd like to tell a story at the beginning of the second half, if it's okay with you about the algorithm because when I was in Copenhagen, it was in full swing.
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  So I I'll just leave that as a teaser for the second half, the outdoor effect.
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  We're gonna talk about it.
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  So Todd Royal and I will be right back after the break.
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• 31:31
  So Todd, we're back, and I was hoping I could tell you about the Al Gore effect that was in full swing in Copenhagen when I was there in 2009.
• 31:39
  Can I tell the audience?
• 31:41
  Yes, okay.
• 31:42
  Any story about the former vice president always makes good comedy.
• 31:47
  Yeah, it's it's a statistical coincidence.
• 31:50
  But it turns out that wherever Al Gore goes preaching, you know, stopping global warming, he's actually successful because Al Gore is able to enable a cooling of that local vicinity.
• 32:02
  So they call it jokingly, the Allegor effect.
• 32:04
  And of course, it does it's not real, it's just a statistical coincidence.
• 32:08
  But in Copenhagen in 2009, the Al Gore effect in December was in full swing.
• 32:15
  It was the coldest December.
• 32:17
  It was the coldest December they had had in many decades.
• 32:21
  Now the interesting thing is the Bella Center did not have a capacity for 30,000 people.
• 32:27
  So the organizers they assumed in advance that 30,000 are not really going to show up.
• 32:32
  Well, most of them did.
• 32:33
  They did show up.
• 32:34
  Now I was lucky because I got there in the first week of the two-week conference.
• 32:38
  So I got in.
• 32:39
  I got my badge and everything else, and no problem.
• 32:41
  However, a lot of people came for the second high level week when the presidents and you know all the top people were there.
• 32:48
  So as I went by them in a massive lineup, an eight-hour long lineup to try to get in.
• 32:54
  I saw these poor Africans who'd paid a king's ransom by their standards to get to the conference, and they're standing in line for up to eight hours, and they never got in.
• 33:04
  And so the poor poor people, they'd spent all this money and they couldn't even get into the conference.
• 33:10
  So I'm sure that many of the protesters outside on the streets later on were delegates who were thoroughly annoyed that they couldn't even get into their own conference.
• 33:20
  So the Al Gore effect, that's something to remember.
• 33:22
  If Allegor is coming to your town, you better bundle up.
• 33:29
  Oh, isn't that I wonder what he's gonna do now as the climate scare dies?
• 33:35
  He's gonna pull his hair out.
• 33:37
  I it does make you wonder so much about him.
• 33:40
  Like what I've always wondered about Al Gore has been I don't know if you know this.
• 33:46
  What state that he should have won, did he lose the presidency?
• 33:51
  That if he'd have won even one state that he should have won, he'd easily been the president.
• 33:57
  What state was that was that Florida?
• 33:59
  Nope.
• 34:00
  With the hanging hanging shafts.
• 34:01
  No, nope.
• 34:02
  No, nope.
• 34:03
  Oh, I don't know.
• 34:05
  You'll never imagine.
• 34:06
  No, which one?
• 34:07
  His own home state of Tennessee.
• 34:10
  Ah.
• 34:11
  So he didn't win his own state.
• 34:13
  Nope.
• 34:14
  Which goes to show you every single time I've ever heard this guy cry and whine about this.
• 34:20
  I would just look at him and go, Mr.
• 34:23
  Vice President, maybe you're right about the whole thing.
• 34:26
  Maybe the Supreme Court did steal it from you.
• 34:28
  But you were such a bad candidate and such a bad politician, and you refused to look at yourself in the mirror.
• 34:35
  You didn't even win your own home state that you were elected from because your daddy was a former senator from there, and that's what got you elected.
• 34:44
  But you were so bad at it, and your father was better than you were, you lost your own home state.
• 34:52
  Yeah, it's sad because I think that Al Gore actually does believe there is a climate crisis.
• 34:57
  Oh, I do too.
• 34:58
  Yeah.
• 34:58
  Yeah.
• 34:59
  I think he's genuine, but I don't think he knows what he's talking about.
• 35:02
  Well, I think with guys like him, it's it's a little bit like when you see people in Hollywood or you see some guy like Bill Gates talking about this stuff, and I don't really care if you own a private jet.
• 35:15
  I don't really care.
• 35:16
  Good for you.
• 35:17
  You're on yachts with models, you know, Leonardo DiCaprio.
• 35:20
  You're you're Al Gore and you have the biggest home burning the most amount of quote unquote electricity and energy in in the county you live in.
• 35:28
  I don't really care.
• 35:30
  You've been successful, people are paying you for it, the market.
• 35:34
  But then it to me, it's this insipid preaching, you hypocrites do.
• 35:39
  Hypocrites, yeah, that's exactly the point.
• 35:42
  Because here's here's uh some statistics I just pulled out, which um co-pilot, you know, Microsoft Copilot, Microsoft Physical Gates product.
• 35:50
  They've always been supporting the UN climate conferences.
• 35:53
  But I asked it, I said, if you're bringing in, let's say 60,000 delegates, it's not going to be quite as many as Dubai.
• 35:59
  Dubai was almost 90,000.
• 36:01
  I said, isn't that going to produce a lot of CO2 if you're concerned about CO2?
• 36:06
  And it turned out, yes, indeed, it did.
• 36:08
  In fact, it made a nice graphic, and I'll link to the uh graphic because it's it's in my article that I wrote about this about you know they're flying people from all over the world to tell us to stop flying.
• 36:19
  It turns out that if you have 60,000 delegates on average traveling about 10,000 kilometers there and back, you know, it depends where they are to start.
• 36:27
  It would produce 69,000 tons of CO2, and that's the equivalent of uh powering 30,000 homes for a year, okay, just to send these people.
• 36:39
  And you sort of say, well, how many are there sending?
• 36:42
  And I had one statistic that my daughter dragged up, which I think people would just get a very big laugh out of.
• 36:47
  Um, it's actually Nigeria, okay?
• 36:50
  Nigeria, believe yeah, Nigeria, believe it or not, are sending 600.
• 36:55
  Sorry, last year they sent 634 delegates.
• 37:00
  600 that's more than the US, it's more than Canada, and that was even under Biden.
• 37:05
  So, yeah, and and you know, these people are paid huge amounts of money to go because they're getting their salary and everything else.
• 37:12
  A couple of more statistics here.
• 37:13
  The Australian government, okay, they sent only 75 bureaucrats and two ministers.
• 37:18
  In contrast to Nigeria that sent uh what did I say?
• 37:23
  Um, you know, it's just incredible.
• 37:29
  Canada is a real delinquent in this case.
• 37:31
  Uh, we sent 633 only one less delegates to the Dubai.
• 37:37
  I mean, you think about it.
• 37:38
  Why would you need, in this case, there's 114 federal employees to go to these conferences if they never heard of Zoom, you know, like the funny because lots of cartoons have appeared over the last few years showing all these planes flying into the climate conference, causing huge amounts of CO2, and the pilot says it's one of the cartoons.
• 37:58
  Uh, they've never heard of teleconferencing.
• 38:01
  Why do you need hundreds and hundreds of delegates from a country like Nigeria?
• 38:05
  Well, it's like you just said, man, wouldn't hey?
• 38:08
  I'd love to go.
• 38:09
  Let's go get a free trip and have a first class air ticket.
• 38:12
  And oh, yeah.
• 38:14
  We can go to Brazil.
• 38:14
  And you know what, Tom?
• 38:15
  If you and I happen to get in a little hiking, maybe stay at an eco lodge, you know.
• 38:20
  What if we just went down south and did that the beautiful Andes Mountains?
• 38:24
  What's the famous part of the Andes that that's one of the biggest tourist spots now in the world that that what is this?
• 38:31
  I'm not sure.
• 38:32
  Well, I'm not sure.
• 38:33
  My daughter went to Pikachuco or whatever they call it.
• 38:36
  Yes, that's it.
• 38:36
  That uh Picamachi, Picamachi.
• 38:39
  Yeah, yeah.
• 38:39
  Um, yeah, I mean, sure.
• 38:42
  And Coca Cabana Beach, I mean, it'd be fun.
• 38:44
  Yeah, you know, I I gotta read you a quote from Franco Tarazzano, who is the federal director of the Canadian Pax Bear Federation, Taxpayer Federation.
• 38:53
  He said, quote, here's his quote.
• 38:55
  It's hilarious.
• 38:56
  It's like something out of Monty Python.
• 38:57
  He says, nothing screams fighting climate change, like flying around the world, burning through jet fuel and taxpayers' cash.
• 39:05
  We could go.
• 39:06
  Way to go, Franco.
• 39:08
  You know, like it's so hypocritical in so many ways, you know.
• 39:11
  And uh and and the thing that is so crazy about this is that the biggest polluter in the world, if you call carbon dioxide pollution, which was a trip, maybe I shouldn't say that, it's not pollution, but the biggest emitter in the world, China is exempt.
• 39:27
  Okay, they don't have to ever reduce their emissions.
• 39:30
  I mean, it's it's and I I said the whole thing, you know, about um uh about pollution because it if you go and visit India, while the air is not the greatest in the world, the biggest problem is the level of pollution.
• 39:45
  Oh, yeah.
• 39:46
  Just the level of filth.
• 39:48
  I mean, trash is everywhere.
• 39:51
  It's they have a they have a pollution problem.
• 39:54
  I mean, I I I I can't say that you know, they've got some.
• 40:00
  Gigantic even emissions problem.
• 40:02
  They have a they have a pollution problem.
• 40:05
  Yeah, exactly.
• 40:06
  So let's do something useful with these meetings.
• 40:08
  And first of all, you don't need hundreds and hundreds of delegates from every country.
• 40:13
  You send it maybe a dozen at most.
• 40:15
  And the rest tune in by Zoom if you're really concerned about reducing emissions.
• 40:20
  Absolutely, you do that.
• 40:21
  Um I want to ask you though, too.
• 40:25
  When you knew that Bellum, they're in Bell, they're you know, where where they're located this year, and at the edge of that rainforest that we talked about earlier.
• 40:34
  Did you think that was a problem coinciding with Brazil's expansion of fossil fuels?
• 40:39
  Yeah, isn't that funny?
• 40:40
  Brazil will now become the poster child of leading the charge on climate change while they have massive investments in fossil fuels, you know.
• 40:48
  So and of course, Brazil's considered a developing country, so they're not really held to any limits.
• 40:53
  And we would we've talked about that in in previous conversations.
• 40:57
  One thing we should emphasize though is there's been a huge change with Donald Trump, right?
• 41:03
  Yeah, yeah, of course.
• 41:04
  Of course, there is.
• 41:06
  And well, I find it.
• 41:08
  I mean, we knew Trump was going to come in and he was going to say this is all a scam, that the green scam and wind turbines and there's no such thing as climate change.
• 41:17
  Where is uh Mark Carney on all this in Canada?
• 41:20
  I I surprisingly have not heard much, and but yet it seems that your oil-rich part of the uh of the country, Alberta is very quietly, if I understand correctly, building pipelines and quietly beginning to up their um their drilling and use of oil sands and and and getting these natural resources to market.
• 41:43
  Am I am I wrong in in that?
• 41:45
  Yeah, the way they're trying to square the circle is they're saying, Oh, but we're gonna have carbon sequestration, we're gonna pump all the carbon underground, carbon dioxide underground, and we're store it.
• 41:56
  So they have a 16 billion dollar project, believe it or not, that they're trying to get funded.
• 42:01
  The federal government says they want to fund it, and I'm I'm not sure the exact status, but it's probably going through because Mark Kearney wants to do both things at the same time.
• 42:10
  He wants to expand the oil sands, have pipelines, but he also wants to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
• 42:16
  So we're gonna be doing this useless activity over a 16 billion dollar project of actually collecting CO2 from the effluence, which is not easy, it's not like taking pollution out of the effluence.
• 42:28
  And you know, I think that's intentional.
• 42:30
  I think honestly, if if it were just reducing pollution, they could do that fairly inexpensively, and it wouldn't have a big impact on their production or you know the cost of fossil fuels.
• 42:42
  But taking CO2 out of the effluence is quite difficult and massively increases the price, which I'm sure is what they want to do, because this is one of the tools to make wind and solar power more attractive, is to make fossil fuels a lot less attractive by weighting them down, you know.
• 43:00
  I mean, if you were in a boxing match and somebody tied your hands behind your back, put on blindfold.
• 43:05
  I mean, if that 10-year-old could beat you up, and so that's what they're doing here, they're giving huge subsidies to wind and solar power while putting more and more regulations on fossil fuels, and in particular the oil sands in this case, forcing them to collect their CO2, very expensive, difficult process, pump it underground, store it, etc.
• 43:24
  So fossil fuels just become uncompetitive if you keep putting on more and more regulations.
• 43:30
  So yeah, I think Carney's he's trying to do both at the same time.
• 43:33
  I mean, he comes from a very strong climate alarmist background, you know, because he was the head of this G fans, the global financial institutions that got together to say we're gonna only fund things that are reducing CO2, which by the way, that has been disbanded because the top banks were dropping out.
• 43:52
  So, you know, there's a nice move in in the direction of sanity in that case.
• 43:56
  But yeah, Kearney is a big problem as long as you know he said that climate change was the central organizing pillar, or words to that effect of the Canadian government activities in general, okay.
• 44:10
  Climate change is ridiculous.
• 44:11
  We're one of the coldest countries in the world.
• 44:14
  In fact, we may be the coldest country in the world, Russia would be our only competitor, and we're all worried about global warming, you know.
• 44:22
  It's ridiculous.
• 44:23
  If if if only if only would we have global warming.
• 44:26
  But going back to what you're saying earlier, uh about Trump, Trump has decided that no top white house officials or negotiators will be at the conference at all.
• 44:36
  Now, sadly, you've got Gavin Newsom and lots of other governors and others who are insisting that the United States take part.
• 44:42
  So there's over a hundred, although a hundred is nothing in this conference, but a hundred state and local U.S.
• 44:49
  leaders, okay, governors, mayors of towns and cities, that sort of thing.
• 44:52
  So there's going to be some U.S.
• 44:54
  participation, but happily in comparison with Biden, there's no top federal officials.
• 45:01
  Great.
• 45:04
  Yeah, I it's it's just when you think about all this and like listening to Mark Kearney, it's all such a grift, it's all such a scam.
• 45:15
  Yeah, this is a wealthy, wealthy banker.
• 45:19
  This is a guy who's been the vice chairman of one of the largest investment management funds in the world.
• 45:26
  Yeah, and he should know better.
• 45:27
  I mean, he has a PhD, although I believe it's in political science, but regardless, he's a well-educated man, and he seems to have good intentions, but he's totally misguided.
• 45:38
  He doesn't know what he's talking about whenever it comes to I don't.
• 45:41
  I mean, I I think the whole thing of education now means nothing.
• 45:45
  Yeah.
• 45:46
  Um, if you tell me of it, if you if you understand classical literature, if you understand uh finance, accounting, if you understand things, um engineering, that may be a little different, but everything else, what does that even mean anymore?
• 46:01
  You know, yeah, and and you know what does education even mean anymore?
• 46:05
  Yeah, and and I have to boost your books because in particular your last book that talked about the fact that wind and solar are not environmentally friendly or socially conscious.
• 46:16
  I mean, it's it's actually a massive abuse of people across the world, isn't it?
• 46:21
  Oh, sure it is.
• 46:22
  I mean, it's when when you go through the book, and and there have been others who've written about this, and certainly this idea of these rare earth metals and minerals or these strategic minerals are all in the news, and the US government, I think big parts of the West now are finally opening up to the fact based off what I wrote, what my co-author Ron Stein wrote, which said all of this is controlled by China, meaning I can mine lithium or cobalt or neodyneum here, but to refine it, process it, which is all of the energy intensive part of it and turn it into these specialized magnets or NDE magnets.
• 47:01
  That all of that is being done with coal, with coal-fired power plants, and these all of these intensive metals and minerals mean that it's a complete national security risk.
• 47:12
  Now, if it erupt me, I'd I would never use a solar panel except on off-grid.
• 47:18
  Um, I'd only use a wind turbine, off-grid.
• 47:21
  If you want to have an EV, good for you, but you pay for all the power, you don't plug into the grid.
• 47:26
  That's that's gonna be on you.
• 47:28
  Well, right.
• 47:29
  I would never use a battery injury storage system at grid.
• 47:32
  I would never use batteries, they're a complete waste of yeah.
• 47:36
  Now it's important at grid scale.
• 47:39
  That's that's the thing you were saying.
• 47:41
  I mean, I have right over here, uh, a 102-pound lithium battery, if you can believe that.
• 47:46
  Okay, but I can't it's wonderful when you go camping, okay.
• 47:51
  I can power my trailer, I can power my trailer for weeks.
• 47:54
  Okay, I can even run the air conditioner for about eight hours if I have to, it gets really hot.
• 47:59
  So, I mean, they have application when you're off grid.
• 48:02
  I have solar panels to charge it up.
• 48:04
  Although I'll tell you something, it'll take a lot take about three days to charge it up, you know, like it's very, very slow, even though I have massive panels.
• 48:11
  So, yeah, if you're a camping out in no man's land, like I do on occasion, yeah, it's a great power source, but could you repeat that again?
• 48:19
  It's not for grid scale.
• 48:21
  It's not for a grid.
• 48:23
  And what I mean by that is if I use if I if I say, oh, I'm gonna build uh an electric power plant based on solar solar panels, solar farm.
• 48:33
  Same thing with a wind turbine, and I'm gonna back it up with a battery, and I'm gonna plug it into the electrical grid that you and I are then gonna get our turn the lights on or heat the house.
• 48:44
  No, you never I would never use that, never under current technological standards, under human rights, under environmental abuses, there's no reason to ever buy a solar panel, a wind turbine, or a battery at grid scale, and until the West can make it themselves, which they can, but environmentally they choose not to because of greens like Mark Carney or organizations like the Tides Foundation or Sierra Club, which they all believe in climate change and global warming, getting back to COP 30.
• 49:23
  I would never use those things.
• 49:25
  They are just go look where cobalt is is gotten from.
• 49:30
  Well, now that's that's really important.
• 49:32
  Now, first of all, what's the name of your book again?
• 49:34
  Uh clean energy exploitations.
• 49:37
  Yeah.
• 49:38
  Now the cover of your book shows uh an African guard with a machine gun guarding miners.
• 49:44
  And I understand that they use miners as young as four years old.
• 49:48
  Is that right?
• 49:49
  They do.
• 49:50
  And if someone could go, oh, well, you're just a right wing MAGA Trump guy.
• 49:55
  Well, go look at the reports that Amnesty International has done on.
• 50:00
  What's going on in Africa?
• 50:02
  Yeah.
• 50:02
  Those are not the biggest Trump supporting people I've ever met before.
• 50:05
  So it's been what the New York Times is actually finally come out with something.
• 50:10
  Finally, about three months ago, the New York Times finally said, Oh, I think we got a problem here.
• 50:16
  Yeah.
• 50:17
  You think now that Biden's no longer now that that false president is no longer in there?
• 50:24
  Sure.
• 50:26
  It's Tom, the the actually the worst thing you can do for the environment.
• 50:32
  Well, you know, it's interesting, Todd.
• 50:34
  There's a local French Canadian lady, and I'm not sure if she wants me to bring up her name on the air, so I won't give her name.
• 50:40
  But she went to one of our mayoral debates when they had the Merrill election here in Ottawa.
• 50:45
  And she got up to the microphone and she said, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
• 50:50
  I don't want the city of Ottawa electrified on the backs of African children as young as four years old in mines breathing radioactive dust and and risking cavens.
• 51:01
  And you know, it's interesting because they called her question the and then she said, Oh, are you the city of Ottawa going to really continue to do this knowing the human rights abuses?
• 51:11
  And I'll tell you, there was dead silence.
• 51:13
  They called it the atom bomb question.
• 51:15
  Because what are the counselors going to say?
• 51:17
  Oh, we don't care about the children.
• 51:19
  We're going to evacuate, we're going to electrify the city.
• 51:21
  Uh, or are they going to say, Oh, well, maybe we're not going to electrify the city?
• 51:25
  Because Ottawa has spent almost a billion dollars just in the last two years on electric buses.
• 51:31
  So, I mean, we are at basically these people are massive human rights violation, isn't it?
• 51:38
  Oh, that's all that is.
• 51:40
  I mean, you I would just tell anyone begin to do research on rare earth metals and minerals.
• 51:47
  They're they're now referred to as strategic minerals.
• 51:51
  Go look at what is needed for a solar panel, a wind turbine, a battery system, a battery for an electric vehicle or a battery to hook up to a grid, a battery for an electric bus.
• 52:05
  Go look at what it takes to make one of those.
• 52:08
  Go look at all the everything, all of this is mined, refined and processed by fossil fuels.
• 52:15
  Yeah, yeah.
• 52:16
  Look up what it takes to make a wind turbine.
• 52:19
  So you're not getting away, you're not getting away from fossil fuels anyway.
• 52:23
  Well, so what's the point of having them at grid scale?
• 52:27
  Is there any point?
• 52:28
  There's no point.
• 52:29
  Because what happens is you get these fools at the Sierra Club and the U.S.
• 52:33
  Democratic Party, and frankly, stupid people on the right who believe this.
• 52:37
  Oh, the the fuel is free.
• 52:39
  The fuel is free.
• 52:41
  Are you telling me, Mr.
• 52:43
  Energy Man, that the sun and the wind are bad?
• 52:46
  No, I'm telling you the technology and all the fossil fuels that it takes to make it and all of the concrete rebar for the foundations of wind turbine and all the resins and all the plastics and all the arsenics in a solar panel and polysilicon is arguably the most energy-intensive manufacturing process you can do in the world, and the batteries for a Tesla, etc.
• 53:11
  etc.
• 53:12
  Most of that comes from China that frankly hates your guts and wants to ruin you and subjugate you and enslave you.
• 53:20
  And oh, by the way, it takes hundreds of thousands and millions of pounds of earth being moved to make even one of these things.
• 53:29
  And oh, yeah, by the way, this is all manufactured by diesel and coal.
• 53:34
  Oh, yeah.
• 53:35
  Well, you know, it strikes me, Todd.
• 53:37
  Here's a here's a question for you.
• 53:39
  How would you then what would you call so-called green energy?
• 53:43
  Because it's not green.
• 53:44
  Okay, it's the opposite of green energy.
• 53:46
  I mean, it maybe what will we call it?
• 53:48
  Dirty intermittent energy.
• 53:50
  No, I would I would call it alternative energy.
• 53:53
  Okay, yeah, that's a good it's it's alternative energy.
• 53:56
  It's hey, if you want to have an electric vehicle, great, but don't think don't think you're doing anything for the environment.
• 54:05
  Yeah, yeah.
• 54:05
  We should we should have conservatives stop calling it green energy, absolutely because it's it's the opposite.
• 54:11
  And and and when you think about green, there's no such thing as green.
• 54:16
  There's there are trade-offs.
• 54:19
  Listen, it still takes a lot of money and a lot of concrete, a lot of rebar and a lot of cement to build a nuclear power plant.
• 54:29
  Yeah, the only thing that is clean about it is the actual when it ever when it makes the fission process to make electricity, but every single thing in there has been produced by fossil fuels.
• 54:45
  Yeah, you know, I think people just simply have to grow up and recognize realities in the world.
• 54:49
  I had a thermodynamics professor because I'm an engineering graduate, yeah, and he used he used to say there's no free lunch, every energy source produces pollution of some kind.
• 55:00
  You just have to choose the ones that are the most economic and produce the least pollution, and that would be nuclear power.
• 55:09
  Yeah, well, I would define it even further because you have to go, okay.
• 55:12
  Let's look at total total energy.
• 55:15
  There's transportation, there's manufacturing, there's electricity.
• 55:18
  I'll make it easy.
• 55:19
  Yeah, only 20% of total energy consumption is electricity, maybe 30%.
• 55:25
  The rest is manufacturing, and I believe transportation is number one.
• 55:29
  So if it were me, okay, here's my solution.
• 55:33
  If you want to be cleaner, switch all engines to natural gas.
• 55:37
  We know natural glass natural gas is cleaner than oil.
• 55:40
  If you if you want to truly be cleaner, then you switch all electricity and even district heat to nuclear power.
• 55:48
  Uh-huh.
• 55:48
  That's that's the cleanest way to do it.
• 55:50
  So if cost doesn't mean anything, if um, you know, how long it takes for something to come online doesn't mean anything, then that's what you would do.
• 56:00
  But then you also remember, Tom, you gotta you gotta define a grid.
• 56:03
  Well, a grid is it need is is it gonna be dispatchable?
• 56:07
  Is it intermittent, or is it baseload?
• 56:09
  Intermittent is wind and solar.
• 56:11
  It comes and goes, it's not constant.
• 56:14
  Dispatchable means I can ramp it up and down, or I can use it as baseload.
• 56:19
  Natural gas is the best.
• 56:20
  Coal is more resilient than gas because I can so it ups its dispatchability.
• 56:26
  So if I'm gonna run a grid, I would make the entire grid on nuclear power backed up by gas and coal.
• 56:33
  Yeah, and never use renewables.
• 56:36
  Yeah, exactly.
• 56:37
  And I think Bill Gates knows that, and I think that's actually yeah, he's a smart man.
• 56:41
  So we have to end now, unfortunately.
• 56:44
  But but in the meantime, you know, I'm gonna put a link to the video of this French Canadian lady giving the atom bomb question because it's the kind of question using your book, actually, as a reference, which I'll link to that they actually have to have in more and more of these things.
• 56:59
  So this is Tom Harris and Todd Royal signing in from the other side of the story.