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The Late Debate | 19 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately. General, welcome the Late Debate. Thanks for joining us
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  Speaker 1: on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Freya Leitch and filling in for
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  Speaker 2: kayleb Bond. It's his birthday today, so he's out celebrating
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  Speaker 2: his Caroline Marcus coming up tonight. Flight attendants are always
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  Speaker 2: very well groomed, But what about.
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  Speaker 1: Their red lipstick.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently that's nothing to do with grooming and everything to
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  Speaker 2: do with safety.
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  Speaker 1: We'll explain that a little later.
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  Speaker 2: Plus, when we look at the papers, the world first
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  Speaker 2: social media ban for under sixteen's is set to go
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  Speaker 2: ahead after successful trials or were they?
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  Speaker 1: And a woman left to.
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  Speaker 2: Die after an argument between paramedics and police over who
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  Speaker 2: should attend to her first meant she was alone for
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  Speaker 2: five hours and deceased by the time anybody got there.
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  Speaker 2: Will get to all of that when we look at
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow's headlines. But first breaking news tonight, with the Victorian
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party agreeing to loan one point five million dollars
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  Speaker 2: to four lead at John Pursuto so he can pay
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  Speaker 2: more Redeeming's legal fees and avoid bankruptcy. It also helps,
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  Speaker 2: of course, the Victoria and Liberals avoid a by election
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  Speaker 2: The decision was made about an hour ago by the
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  Speaker 2: party's nineteen member Administrative Committee, and some of the conditions
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  Speaker 2: for this one point five million dollar loan include John
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  Speaker 2: Pursuto offering up his superannuation as collateral, John Persudo committing
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  Speaker 2: to engage in fundraising efforts to help pay the loan
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  Speaker 2: back faster, and John Pursudo being charged an interest rate
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  Speaker 2: of about six percent. So does this put an end
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  Speaker 2: to the John Pursudo more redeeming episode or is this
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  Speaker 2: set to drag on and become a continual weight around
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  Speaker 2: the Victoria and Liberals neck Frayer.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can see why they bailed him out with
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  Speaker 3: this loan, because it's good politics for them.
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  Speaker 4: They get to avoid a by election.
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  Speaker 3: His seat, Hawthorne, is on a one point seven percent margin,
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  Speaker 3: and to have the entire country's attention turn on a
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  Speaker 3: by election right now would just strap from the broader
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  Speaker 3: Victorian Liberal Party's mission of actually changing the government for
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  Speaker 3: the first time in a long time. So I see
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  Speaker 3: why they did it, but it's still a bad principle.
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  Speaker 3: This didn't have to happen. Perzuto had many opportunities to
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  Speaker 3: de escalate the situation, including a last minute deal offered
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  Speaker 3: to him a couple weeks ago by deeming to avoid bankruptcy.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think this sets a good precedent. And
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  Speaker 3: I think the funniest part of this deal is the
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  Speaker 3: financial It's really like an investment fund that's linked to
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  Speaker 3: the Victorian Liberal Party. They describe this as a good
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  Speaker 3: investment because he's paying six percent interest. Nothing about this
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  Speaker 3: saga has been a good investment for the Victorian Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 1: What do you reckon, Caroline, Well.
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  Speaker 5: They had to do something, and kind of maybe it
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  Speaker 5: will end this chapter, but let us never forget what
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  Speaker 5: led to this in the first place. More redeeming was
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  Speaker 5: simply speaking at an event to support women's biological call
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  Speaker 5: sex based rights. And the first problem was John Pursuito
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  Speaker 5: smearing her as a Nazi because some masked, black clothed
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  Speaker 5: neo Nazis who'd like to hang out in their mother's
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  Speaker 5: basements decided to gat.
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  Speaker 6: Crash the event, she somehow gets smeared with it.
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  Speaker 5: So that was that was where the problem started. And then,
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  Speaker 5: as Freyer pointed out, he didn't back down. He had
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  Speaker 5: plenty of opportunities to do so. I mean, when the
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  Speaker 5: matter was presented to him. He should have just settled
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  Speaker 5: at that stage instead of dragging it to court and
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  Speaker 5: putting himself and his party at such financial risks. So
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  Speaker 5: I would be glad to see the end of awarding
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  Speaker 5: poor leadership.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for him to label more Redeeming a Nazi
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  Speaker 2: because he was essentially afraid of that Nazi sympathizer Sambasizer
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  Speaker 2: was poor leadership. And he's also being rewarded for poor
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  Speaker 2: judgment for him to not have taken an earlier offer
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  Speaker 2: at one point it was ninety nine thousand dollars and
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  Speaker 2: make it all go away.
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  Speaker 1: He was ending up paying what two point three.
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  Speaker 2: Million dollars and he's a lawyer, and so this has
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  Speaker 2: just been an epic failure of judgment. And what does
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  Speaker 2: it say to Moira Deeming that the Liberal Party would
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  Speaker 2: back John Pursuito after he put her through all of that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean as little as a week ago, she was
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  Speaker 5: making an offer to him which was essentially based on
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  Speaker 5: five conditions, the main one probably being guarantee my pre selection,
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  Speaker 5: which is probably the least that she deserves after being
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  Speaker 5: put through the ordeal that she has, and he said
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  Speaker 5: no to that. Instead, he wanted her to wipe out
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  Speaker 5: a million dollars off his debt to her her legal costs, which,
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  Speaker 5: let's face it, who's going to do that?
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  Speaker 1: So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: The Victorian liberals can finally move on. Maybe let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about what's happening in the Middle East. Australians trying to
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  Speaker 2: flee the war in Israel slammed the Albanezy governments evacuation
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  Speaker 2: plans as shambolic. There are hundreds of assies in the
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  Speaker 2: Holy Land desperate to get out, and this is what
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  Speaker 2: they were provided with by Defat. Defect sent emails at
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  Speaker 2: ten thirty five am in the morning advising Australians a
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  Speaker 2: bus would be leaving in fifty five minutes from Tel Aviv.
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  Speaker 2: Get there for how long does it take you to
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  Speaker 2: get ready in the morning?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, minutes, probably forty five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Got to get there.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to organize everything one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: And you think about these people, right, they're in the
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  Speaker 3: middle of a war zone. There are sirens going off
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  Speaker 3: frequently and at unpredictable times. Tel Aviv as well, I
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  Speaker 3: guess less so during a war, but it is notorious
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  Speaker 3: for its traffic. So the idea that you can be
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  Speaker 3: in a war zone and with fifty five minutes notice.
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  Speaker 4: Pack shower, get ready and get.
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  Speaker 3: To the other side of the city potentially, or even
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  Speaker 3: to another city is ludicris I don't know who thought
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  Speaker 3: this was a good idea. And the other reason it
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  Speaker 3: makes absolutely no sense is it's not as though they
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  Speaker 3: were driving these people to get on a plane. They
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  Speaker 3: were just driving them to the border with Jordan, where
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  Speaker 3: they would still have to attempt to get on a plane.
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  Speaker 3: So if you leave in five minutes or an hour
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  Speaker 3: and fifty five minutes, it doesn't make any difference.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't have thought.
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  Speaker 2: So here's plenty wrong explaining they had a very small
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  Speaker 2: window and they took the opportunity.
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  Speaker 7: We will provide information to people in Israel when we
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  Speaker 7: have the opportunity. Obviously it's a very fluid situation. We
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  Speaker 7: had a small window yesterday, so we took that opportunity
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  Speaker 7: to move a small group. I am at the department
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  Speaker 7: and is working on trying to assist more people over
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  Speaker 7: the next twenty four Hours'd.
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  Speaker 2: Be pretty frustrating if you're an Aussie and you're getting
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  Speaker 2: that kind of assistance, But I've got to be honest, Caroline,
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  Speaker 2: if you go to Israel as we have. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to a country which at any moment could
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  Speaker 2: combust with war breaking out. I think it's a bit
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  Speaker 2: rich to get angry at the Australian government for not
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  Speaker 2: looking after you. You knew very well when you went
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  Speaker 2: there that this was a very real possibility.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't think that anyone necessarily expected Israel to
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  Speaker 5: start attacking a run this week. In the past week.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, some people were saying even the US administration
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  Speaker 5: didn't know, which we all find that hard to believe,
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  Speaker 5: especially after recent events. So I don't think that's particularly fair.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, and in fairness, over the entire seventy year
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  Speaker 5: history or so of Israel, it's never It's always been
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  Speaker 5: a country that could erupt at any time, you know,
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  Speaker 5: which is your point.
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  Speaker 6: And there's always terrorist attacks.
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  Speaker 5: If you're going to visit, there always comes something of
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  Speaker 5: a risk.
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  Speaker 6: But and I do encourage people to visit.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I haven't gone since October seven because I've
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  Speaker 5: got two little kids at home and I can't in
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  Speaker 5: good conscious as much as I'd like to see for myself,
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  Speaker 5: especially as a journal a journalist, especially as someone whose
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  Speaker 5: family has had come from Israel some.
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  Speaker 6: Of my family.
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  Speaker 5: I really would love to go back, but I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to take that risk right now. Having said that,
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  Speaker 5: I think that if I was there, I would have
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  Speaker 5: my bags packed. I'd be ready to go at any moment,
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  Speaker 5: because you aren't now in a war zone, and if
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  Speaker 5: your a country can evacuate you, fifty five minutes is
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  Speaker 5: not a lot of time. Israel is a very small
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  Speaker 5: country geographically. You want to be ready to go at
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  Speaker 5: any point. So people who say, well, we didn't have
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  Speaker 5: time to pack, we didn't have time to shower, we
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  Speaker 5: didn't have time to say good I just get out
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  Speaker 5: of there. Just take the opportunity. But it does remind
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  Speaker 5: me of the swim club that my kids used to
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  Speaker 5: go to, very very poor conduct there, and they would
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  Speaker 5: send an email on the morning half an hour before
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  Speaker 5: some classes. Babies poot in the pool, don't come, it's
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  Speaker 5: classes are off, and we'd turn up and they'd be like,
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  Speaker 5: we send.
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  Speaker 6: You an email half an hour ago. I'm like, thanks
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  Speaker 6: very much. I didn't even see the email.
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  Speaker 2: I think most of those people are now working for Deepail.
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  Speaker 2: I was in Israel about eight years ago and I
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  Speaker 2: was talking to the tour guide and I remarked that
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  Speaker 2: I've been to New York, I've been to London. I
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  Speaker 2: never felt so safe as walking through the streets of
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  Speaker 2: Jerusalem in the wee hours of the morning. And he
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  Speaker 2: said to me, James, you're never going to get mugged
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  Speaker 2: in Jerusalem, You're never going to get beaten up. You
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  Speaker 2: might get blown up by a bomb. And we both laughed,
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  Speaker 2: but we laughed because we understood it's kinda true.
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  Speaker 1: So I think people know when they go there that's
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  Speaker 1: the risk.
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  Speaker 2: But when defat pool stunts like that, it does make
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  Speaker 2: you wonder, seriously, who's organizing this circuit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely is always a risk you take, but
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  Speaker 3: I think it's more just the incompetence of our government.
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  Speaker 5: It's frustrated and how can they get three thousand people,
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  Speaker 5: nearly three thousand from Gaza on visitor visas here in
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  Speaker 5: next to no time and they can't save Australians who
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  Speaker 5: are in a democratic country and.
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  Speaker 6: In a war zone.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't know what was going to erupt exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And so while Pennywong has been solving potential global conflicts
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  Speaker 3: by calling for de escalation and diplomacy, one of her
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  Speaker 3: fellow cabinet ministers. Chris Bowen, who you know, when he's
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  Speaker 3: not destroying our country's energy system, is making other foolish remarks.
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  Speaker 4: This time he appeared in an.
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  Speaker 3: Interview and he went further than Albanezi and Wong and
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  Speaker 3: he said Israel had done stuff in the last couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks that we don't agree with.
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  Speaker 4: What stuff like? That's what I want to know.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the problem right when politicians, but specifically
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  Speaker 3: labor in relation to this conflict, talk about the general
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  Speaker 3: concerns they have with Israel, there were just things that
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  Speaker 3: we just don't agree with. It's like, well, point to
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  Speaker 3: what they asked specifically, instead of just trying to taint
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  Speaker 3: Israel with this broad brush of disapproval.
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  Speaker 4: Check out what he said.
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  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister and the FOREGM minists have been very
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  Speaker 1: clear about our views that we don't agree with some
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  Speaker 1: of the activities of Israel over recent weeks and months.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, the.
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister and Foreign minist all back so the statements
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  Speaker 2: that's the situation unfolds.
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  Speaker 1: We've also made our view clear about what Iran needs
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  Speaker 1: to do in this circumstance.
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  Speaker 3: Now, So what things in the last couple of weeks
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  Speaker 3: as they're taking out Iran's nuclear facilities.
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  Speaker 4: Tell us Chris Bowen, I'm waiting.
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  Speaker 2: Iran's ambassador asked, Chris Bowen, will you condemn Israel's preemptive
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  Speaker 2: strikes on our country? The right response would be to
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  Speaker 2: have fallen on the floor and burst into hysterical laughter,
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  Speaker 2: as if you are going to condemn Israel for taking
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  Speaker 2: out nuclear facilities which have been used for years to
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  Speaker 2: threaten wiping Israel from the map.
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  Speaker 1: And for Chris Bowen to.
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  Speaker 2: Say, well, we're not going to condemn them, but I've
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  Speaker 2: got to say we have been very unimpressed with Israel
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  Speaker 2: for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Beggars belief, Zero moral clarity.
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  Speaker 2: Is it because his own seat is eleven and a
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  Speaker 2: half percent Muslim and he doesn't want to offend his
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  Speaker 2: local constituency. You suppose that is probably what's going on here.
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  Speaker 2: But for him to be more concerned seemingly about his
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  Speaker 2: little electoral seat in the margin he's got, rather than
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  Speaker 2: what is right and what is moral just beggars belief.
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  Speaker 5: But it's entirely consistent with the rest of the party,
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  Speaker 5: is I mean, look at Tony Burke who also has
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  Speaker 5: and Jason Clair, who also have very high proportions of
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  Speaker 5: Muslim Australians who certainly do not sympathize on the whole
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  Speaker 5: with Israel in this scenario and especially when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to the conflict in Gasa. But how can you be
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  Speaker 5: so morally bankrupt you talk about moral clarity, I'd say
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  Speaker 5: he is entirely morally bankrupt, as is Penny Wong on
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  Speaker 5: this issue, as Albanezi has been at large to actually
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  Speaker 5: seem to side with the mad Mullers who are on
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  Speaker 5: the verge of getting nuclear weapons, rather than a democratic
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  Speaker 5: nation that is trying to survive, like is facing an
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  Speaker 5: existential threat from people who do not. Why do they
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  Speaker 5: keep talking about going back to negotiations? Zany Wong keeps
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  Speaker 5: saying urging restraint, drawing equivalents between Israel and Iran as
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  Speaker 5: if there is any it's just entirely the wrong way
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  Speaker 5: around this goverment has.
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  Speaker 3: It reminds me of this iconic scene from one of
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  Speaker 3: my favorite movies of all time, The Dictator by the
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  Speaker 3: incredibly genius Jewish comedian Sasha Baron Cohen.
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  Speaker 4: This is exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 8: We are two months away from enriching weapons great uranium
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  Speaker 8: to be used for peaceful purposes. It will be used
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  Speaker 8: only for medical research and clean energy. It will, it
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  Speaker 8: will and will certainly never be used to attack is oh.
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  Speaker 3: Boy, medical research and clean energy. Oh wait, but Bowen
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  Speaker 3: doesn't like no read that losing on all fronts here.
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  Speaker 1: Saw that he thought it was a documentary. So there
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  Speaker 1: you go. That's about where the labor party are at.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of bad takes, let's talk about will Be Goldberg
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  Speaker 2: for a moment. Remember with be Goldberg she went from
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  Speaker 2: starring in the Ghost to ghosting logic and reason on
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  Speaker 2: the view.
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  Speaker 1: I want to show you.
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  Speaker 2: In exchange that just took place where she was talking
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  Speaker 2: with one of her co hosts about what's happening in Iran,
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  Speaker 2: and her co host made the point that Iran is
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  Speaker 2: a terrible place. The human rights violations are shocking. I
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  Speaker 2: mean they throw gaze from rooftops.
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  Speaker 1: And here's what.
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  Speaker 9: Happened the year twenty twenty five, new notheans is nothing
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  Speaker 9: like if I stepped foot wearing that younger inter us.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I can't have my hair.
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  Speaker 9: Showing, I can't wear a skirt, I can't have my
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  Speaker 9: It's very different live in the night seats in twenty
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  Speaker 9: twenty five than.
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  Speaker 4: It is to live in An.
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  Speaker 9: You're blind for everybody, not every black guys go go.
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  Speaker 10: To Kuran and you know, let me tell you about
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  Speaker 10: being in this country. This is the greatest country in
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  Speaker 10: the world. But yeah, I know that, we know that,
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  Speaker 10: and we all know that. But every day we are worried.
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  Speaker 10: Do we have to be worried about our kids? Are
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  Speaker 10: the our kids going to get shot because they're running
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  Speaker 10: through somebody's neighbor?
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  Speaker 2: Tell you what my dream is to become a millionaire victim,
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  Speaker 2: just like will Be Goldberg. The fact that she can
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  Speaker 2: go on television and sprout nonsense like that, free of
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  Speaker 2: persecution or anything else that's going to come her way
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  Speaker 2: is evidence America is the freest country on earth, far
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  Speaker 2: different to Iran. And for her to say, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: know Iran's bad, but what about black people in the
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  Speaker 2: United States?
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  Speaker 5: Is she is a perpetual victim, isn't she? And to
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  Speaker 5: try and draw any sort of similarity or equivalence between
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  Speaker 5: the Iran's human rights abuse is the fact that literally
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  Speaker 5: plucks women off the street and disappears them and executes them.
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  Speaker 6: For showing their hair is extraordinary.
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  Speaker 5: But she is someone who has a record of not
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  Speaker 5: knowing her history on this stuff and trying to minimize
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  Speaker 5: the suffering of other people's and races.
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  Speaker 6: Take a look at what she said.
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  Speaker 5: Back in twenty twenty two when she was speaking about
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  Speaker 5: the Holocaust.
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  Speaker 10: The Holocaust isn't about race.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not about racey.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's about a different race.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not about race.
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  Speaker 10: It's not about because it's about man's inhumanity to man.
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  Speaker 6: That's what it's about.
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  Speaker 5: Let's put aside the fact that someone's obviously been hitting
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  Speaker 5: the ozempic pretty hard in.
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  Speaker 6: The past few years.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, but I think it's unavoidable there. I think there's
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  Speaker 5: a common element here, guys. She seems to not think
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  Speaker 5: that these places that have a real hatred towards Jews
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  Speaker 5: and anti Semitism. It's like she's trying to minimize that
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  Speaker 5: in what she's talking about, whether it's radical Islam or
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  Speaker 5: on the far right in the Nazi Germany.
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  Speaker 3: It's because like so many on the left, who they
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  Speaker 3: have this cultural Marxist framework where everyone can be divided
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  Speaker 3: into either being an oppressed person or an oppressor, and
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  Speaker 3: all white people are put in the oppressor category, and
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  Speaker 3: in her view, Jews are too white to be oppressed.
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  Speaker 3: They are too white to be victims of anti semitism. Therefore,
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  Speaker 3: the Holocaust really can't be about racism, because how can
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  Speaker 3: you be racist against white people. That is the logic
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  Speaker 3: in these people's minds, and that's why the left consistently
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  Speaker 3: does not take anti semitism seriously, because they don't see
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  Speaker 3: white people or Jews.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they see Jews.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: As white people, and they don't think white people could
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: ever be discriminated.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Or in the hierarchy of oppression, Black people, to her
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: are always going to be the most impressed, even though
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: people in Iran have been living under the worst types
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: of oppression for decades since the revolution.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly, will let's stay with bad takes will stay in
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: America because it is a good place to get bad takes.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Obama had a shocking take today. He was speaking at
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: a charity event in Connecticut, and he told the crowd
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: that America was dangerously close to becoming an autocracy. His
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: evidence for this is that when leaders take the oath
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: of office, they need to take it seriously, and when
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: that's not happening, America is on the verge of going
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: off a cliff. He said, we're not there yet completely,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: but I think that we are dangerously close to normalizing
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: behavior like that as in autocracy, and we need people
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: both outside government and inside government saying let's not go
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: over that cliff.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Because it's hard to recover.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It's hard for me to believe that's not very, very
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: close to incitement. What he's saying is that Donald Trump
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: is breaking his presidential oath, he's acting illegally, he's obtaining
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: power he ought not to become an authoritarian, and we
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: are this close to losing our democracy. Isn't this the
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff that was being said in the lead
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: up not one, but two assassination attempts against Donald Trump.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: You would have thought the left would have learned their.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Lesson and dialed it down, particularly after the fact we
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: just had a politician assassinated just a matter of days ago.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: For Obama, a former president who's meant to be graciously quiet,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: but of course Obama is unique when it comes to
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: former presidents. Instead of disappearing quietly, he stayed in Washington,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: d C. Where he's enjoyed a third term. If you
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: want to talk about American democracy being trashed, for him
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: to speak like this is just winding up people to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: create not just more social disharmony, but more danger for
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: all politicians when he goes on with nonsense like.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: That, and his rallying cry to the progressives to take
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: back America was he said, you could be as progressive
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: and socially conscious as you wanted, and you didn't have
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: to pay a price.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: He said, you could still make a lot of money.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: You could still hang out in Aspen and Milan and
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: and have a house in the Hampton's and still think.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Of yourself as a progressive.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: But we now have a situation in which all of
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: us are going to be tested in some way, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: we're going to have to decide what our commitments will be.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Now things are a little different.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Might my Hampton's house, you might lose some of your donors.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: If you university, if you're a law firm, your billings
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: might drop a little bit. But this is the kicker,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: which means you cannot remodel that kitchen in your Hampton's
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: house this summer.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Like how out of touch is this guy?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And this is the fundamental problem in American politics. They
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: all hate Trump because he is standing up for the
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: people that the elites abandoned. They are the ones that
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: took over the institutions. They are the ones that have
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: hijacked the judiciary with left wing activist judges. They are
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: the ones that have continually talked down about America's identity
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: and history. They are the ones that have alienated the
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: middle class, the average American. They are the ones to blame,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: if anything, for Trump's rise and Trump's success. So for
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: him to follow about not being able to remodel that
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Hampton's kitchen, come on, and.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but he can just sit down.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: He was part of one of the biggest political cover
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: ups in helping to cover up the complete cognitive decline
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: of Joe Biden and prop him up for years beyond
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: the point where he really should not have been in office.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: He was part of that conspiracy. That much was clear.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: So he can't be speaking about an autocracy and having
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: an issue with how democracy is run when he was
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: very much a part of the problem. And saying that
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: universities are losing their funding, Well, why are they losing
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: their funding? These are the universities which allow anti Semitism
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: on campus, hatred themselves, doing positive discrimination, where they alienating Asia,
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Asian right, white Jewish students who are the top performing
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: for black and Hispanic lower performing students, just so they
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: can say these people are being given place.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Here's what I don't get about Obama, right Is he
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: a fool or is he a genius?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Because look at what's going on right now.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You've got Iran, and Iran is close to getting nuclear weapons,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: principally thanks to the Obama administration, which had that many
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: red lines that Iran kept crossing, which provided Iran with
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: billions of dollars that they should never have had. So
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: is Obama either stupid for popping his head up right
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: now he's the last person who should be talking, or
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: is he just trying to distract from the fact that
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: he is very responsible for the mess the Middle East
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: is in right now, and he's trying to blame shift
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and deflect.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: That's an excellent point because if anything, it was Obama
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: that enabled the autocrats of the world. Never forget Russia
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: invaded Crimea in twenty fourteen. Under Obama, they signed the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: disastrous nuclear deal with Iran that lift one hundred billion
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: dollars of sanctions against Iran, allowing them to rearm and
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: fund their terror proxies.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Throughout the Middle East.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: They did nothing when the assigned regime in Syria used
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: chemical weapons against their own people. It's very rich for
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Obama to talk about autocracy when he was the principal
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: enabler of autocrats throughout the world during his eight years
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: as president.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Well, look, speaking of out of touch leaders, let's turn
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: to our own ouach.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Well, maybe that's not quite turned.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: To Anthony ALBINIZI not an autocrat, not yet, but he
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: is a big spender, so probably out of touch with
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: anything except the most elite remodeling.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Their homes and the Hamptons.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: It turns out that he has spent a whopping amount
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: on air travel in the past past term. In fact,
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: he has his cost taxpayers more than two hundred and
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: fifty thousand dollars just in the very late part of
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty four alone, and his overseas trips have come
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: up to more than one point nine million dollars in
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: the first term of government. These latest figures have just
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: been released and they really take into account some of
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: his big summit trips to Peru and Brazil last year,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: and a lot of the costs were to do with
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: staff travel expenses. Now I think that this is going
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: to get a lot of people's noses out of joint
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: because they'll be asking, well, what have we actually got
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: for that money? I mean, there's a reason he's called
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Airbus Elbow, and that is his nickname. He is known
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: for taking these big trips and I don't think that
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: would be a huge problem for someone in his position,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: But what are we actually getting for this?
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: All?
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: During a cost of living crisis? He hasn't scored a meeting,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: a face to face with what should be Australia's closest allied,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump, the President of the United States. I mean,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: he came very close, but other things took precedence. He
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: hasn't gone to Washington, he hasn't gone to Israel in
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: that time since October seven? So will people really think
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: that this money is worth it?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: As well as Airbus Elbow, my other favorite one is
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Anthony Overseasy. Actually, I'm going to defend Elbow for a
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: little bit, at risk of putting everybody offside. Scomo spent
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: three point one million dollars in fifteen months on overseas travel,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: seventeen trips to nineteen countries, So Elbow one point nine
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: million Scomo three point one our prime minister at least.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Team mate the President of the United States, even if
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Joe Biden can't remember it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: That's the caveat.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I think we got better value for money with Scomo
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and his overseas trips than we're getting with Anti Albanzi.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: The other question I would ask, though, Freyer, is isn't
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: emissions destroying the world and that failure like completely paying
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: through the nose for our electricity these days to keep
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: emissions down. That is Anthony Albanesi way up those two
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: contradictions exactly.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: And if he likes air travels so much and he
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: believed in the importance of face to face meetings to
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: build dialogue, get on a plane and go to Washington. Seriously,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: this does not help his case whatsoever. He's basically hiding
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: from Trump at this point and then showing up like
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: a little creek booker wherever Trump is trying to get
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: his little twenty minutes so he can avoid a direct confrontation.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: And the other thing I would say is I initially
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: had sympathy for Olbow because I thought, you know, he's
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the prime minister, this is what prime ministers do.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: And then I read in an article.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Apparently he's had sixty personal members of staff traveling with
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: him over the course.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I think this was in twenty twenty two or three.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Sixty staff, and that is a significant portion of these
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: travel expenses because they all have to have airfares, hotels, transport,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: et cetera.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, isn't that why we have phone calls and zoom.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: You don't need sixty staff, you need one or two
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: plus some security.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: That seems a little strange to me.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: It seems very over the top.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Well, speaking of where our easy should be, which is
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: the United States. Another thing that's happening in the United
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: States is a really interesting decision.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: In the Supreme Court.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: They upheld a law from Tennessee which bans puberty blockers
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: and gender affirming care for transgender identifying children. The decision
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: was six to three and it broke along ideological lines,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: with more conservative judges obviously.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Voting to uphold the law.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: But what was really interesting is the Biden administration joined
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: with the plaintiffs in challenging this law, and then Trump said,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: obviously stuff that we actually believe in biology and science,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: but we're going to let this case go through to
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: see what the Court said, and one of the most
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: interesting aspects of this case was a line from Justice
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Thomas's judgment where he said, this case serves as a
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: useful reminder that American people and their representatives are entitled
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: to disagree with those who hold themselves out as experts,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: and that the courts should not sit as a super
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: legislature to weigh the wisdom of legislation.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: That's critical. One.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: The states should have the right to legislate these things.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: It's more direct democracy. This is their job, not the courts.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: And two, we have been told for years and years,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: and the plaintiffs in this case tried to run the
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: same ardit argument. All the experts say, gender affirming care
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: is correct, all the experts believe in this stuff, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: the judge just goes, sorry, I don't care what all
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: the experts say. It doesn't matter because experts, unfortunately have
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: been proved wrong time and time again. And the fact
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: is there is very little evidentiary basis for gender affirming
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: care and it often does far more harm than good.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: So that's a really good take from the US Supreme Court.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: But Carolin riddled me this the US Academy of Pediatrics,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: they had a bizarre take.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: That really bizarre take. They basically dismissed this finding entirely.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: They put out a tweet, and they're the peak group
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: representing care health care for children in America. The Supreme
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Court's decision.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: Today does not change the science.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Gender affirma care remains evidence based, medically necessary care that
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: improves the health and well being of transgender youth. I mean,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know if this group has been paying any
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: attention whatsoever, but there was a landmark cast review in
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: the UK that looked at several studies, several scientists, big studies,
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: and found that there was actually very weak evidence in
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: favor of gender affirma care and that the consequences were
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: far too serious to keep following the model that many countries,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: including America followed. I mean, in Australia, our own government,
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: our own very progressive left government, has ordered a review
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: into how gender care is conducted in this country because
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: even it can see that it has not been satisfactory
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: and there have been all sorts of problems, including in
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: far North Queensland, where they've had to shut a service
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: down because children, very young children were getting care without
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: consent from their parents. It's Luckily, this decision actually seems
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: to be moving in. There seems to be a trend
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: at the moment we've seen in the UK the Supreme Court,
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: they're upheld finally the definition of a woman as a
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: biological female. Why that had to go to a court
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: who knows. But finally we are seeing some sense, at
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: least on a legal level.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: So the law will stand in Tennessee that The amazing
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: part of that story to me is that three of
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the nine Supreme Court judges excuse me, still voted to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: overturn the law and make it so that minus could
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: have sex changes.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: It just boggles the mind.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to the midd least for a moment,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: because obviously there are still people who believe it's possible
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: for a cease fire. But who would mediate a ceasefire? Now,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I guess there's some options. You're probably thinking Greta Thunberg.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: If it wasn't going to gret A Thunberg, who would
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: be your next choice to mediate peace.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: In the Middle East? Vladimir Putin.
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: I spoke to him yesterday and I said, you know,
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: he actually offered to help mediate.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I said, do me a favor, mediate your own let's
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: mediate Russia first.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, I said, Vladimir, let's mediate Russia first.
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: You can worry about this later.
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: But I think that's going to work out too.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: But it's so many people have been killed.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I really like the way Trump does India conferences, just
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: on the fly, told lad mediate your own situation first
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: before you worry about the Middle East. I suppose Vladimir
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Putin would be happy for the distraction. The whole world's
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: focused on the Middle East rather than what he's doing
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: in Europe. It's not entirely crazy, though, because Vladimir Putin
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: obviously has a relationship with the Tola, but he also
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: once went was it to the ballet or a musical
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: with Benjamin Nett and Yahoo, and that they're not entirely,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: you know, friendless in Israel. So it's yes, not entirely stupid.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: It's just mostly stupid.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: No, I think it's entirely stupid.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I think this was an absolute brain fight from Putin
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: and a bizarre thing to suggest.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: Yes, they traditionally have had strong.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Ties to Russia because there's a huge Russian speaking community
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: in Israel and vice versa in Russia as well, because
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: a lot of them had to flee Russia exactly. But
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: I think this is actually a strategy from Putin, yes,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: to partly distract from Ukraine, but also a week Iran
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: is a week Russia. As sanctions have been applied to
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: both Iran and Russia, they've essentially formed a bit of
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: a parallel economy them and China included.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: So Iran is making drones for Russia.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: They're also a massive weapons supplier, coordinate on oil and
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: gas production, and China also has an interest in negotiating
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: a ceasefire because China buys ninety percent of Iran's oil.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: So they're all in on this little charade. And if
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: you have a week Iran, you have a week China,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: you have a week Russia. So it's no surprise Putin's
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: looking at this and freaking out.
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: But what is that to mediate?
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: Quite frankly, how are you going to get the Ayatola
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: and the mad mullers in Iran to agree that their
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: goal is not to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: How are you going to get anyone, let alone Putin
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: that great peacemaker to come to make them see their senses.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: They're not What is going to take is regime change,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: a complete destruction of any nuclear capability and then maybe
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: we'll have peace.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Well, tell you who should do some mediation, and that's
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Coalition MP Garth Hamilton.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Because he's come up with some pretty good ideas.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe Jim Chalmers could use him as one of those
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: round tables he wants to organize. Garth Hamilton has suggested
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: that mothers should receive lifetime tax breaks as a priority
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to encourage the birth rate, to encourage families, and to
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: compensate women for the years they lose raising children from
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: the workforce. Hamilton said our tax system must have a purpose,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and that purpose must be to make life better for
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Australian families. It's no longer enough to invent new taxes
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: just so governments can have more money to spend. We
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: need a tax system that's inclusive, that supports modern families,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: whatever shape they may be. If you're looking after each other,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Australia should be looking after you so quickly. From both
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: of you. I'll start with you, Caroline, because you're a mum.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Do you think lifetime tax breaks for a mum in
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: honor of your contribution to the country, the years that
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you sacrificed where you could have been out working. Though
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: raising kids is not a sacrifice, good plan or bad place.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: It is something of a sacrifice. But I think think Look,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't say no to any tax breaks, but I
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: think what the country needs to work on is lower taxes.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: For everyone, and that will help all families.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: And in cases where women choose not to return to
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: the workforce, especially for many years while the kids were young,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: I think they should be supported too.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: The incentive shouldn't just be for them.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: To get back to work as quickly as possible and
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: then enjoy all these tax breaks and have a dual
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: in come.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: It should be to set.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Up a set things up for families and young families
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: so that they can have more time at home with
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: their kids too if they choose.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Totally agree, But ultimately, the only thing that will actually
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: change the birth rate Hungry has proven this.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: It's culture. That's why Israel is the.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Only developed country with a birth rate above replacement rate.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: It's because families are value that the center of national life,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: and women are honored for their role in childbearing.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: And that's what we have to have here too.
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  Speaker 1: Culture and tax breaks, Yeah, those two things wonderful. We're
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: going to take a break.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: including a woman left to die after a five hour
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: disagreement between paramedics and police over who should deal with
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: her first. That's coming up with this a moment.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow so
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you hear them first tonight, Fray, you've got the Australians.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Starting with the Australian. The headline is Ayatolla's ward War.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Iranian missile strikes have reached reached carnage in Israel, pounding
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: a hospital and residential areas in a major escalation in
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Tehran's retaliation against the Jewish state, as Donald Trump prepares
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  Speaker 3: to enter the war in a bid to wipe.
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  Speaker 4: Out Iran's nuclear facilities.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: The US President reportedly told senior aides he had approved
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: the attack plan, but was holding off giving the green
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  Speaker 3: light to allow Tehran a final chance to step back
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  Speaker 3: from the brink by abandoning its nuclear ambitions. Israel Prime
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Minister Benjamin Nettnia, who warned Iran would pair heavy price
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: after the strikes on Beersheba's Sokora hospital and civilian in
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: areas across the country.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is the difference in a taxtile.
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  Speaker 3: We're seeing Israel is launching it very targeted, very precise
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: strikes against Iran, whereas Iran is now targeting population centers
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: across the country.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Trump is trying to work out whether he's
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: going to get involved or not. And pictures like that,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: you would think may well influence Donald Trump to say.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we need to help Israeli sort this out
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and sort it out fast.
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  Speaker 2: The Israeli Air Force have destroyed about forty percent of
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Iran's missiles, but that still leaves them with a lot.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: And you know, the Iron Dome is amazing. It is
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: amazing to me when you consider how many hundreds, maybe
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: thousands of missiles and drones have gone into Israel.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: And this is the worst that we've seen.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's terrible, but it's a miracle that there
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: hasn't been far more cut.
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  Speaker 5: That's why when people talk about casualty rates and compare them,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: say between Israel and Gaza, it's not an accurate reflexion
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: of the war, because Israel spends its money on protecting
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: its own people, whereas these regimes spend their money on
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: waging terror against Israel. I think that this is obviously
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: going to ramp up a lot. We've her the Defense
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Minister of Israel in the past few hours come out
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: and say that the Ayatola can't continue to exist. So
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: I think things are certainly going to.
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  Speaker 6: Escalate after that attack on the hospital.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: And of course where have all the voice has been
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: that attack Israel for when they may hit a hospital
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: that serves as her mass headquarters, for example, and we
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: hear all this outrage. Not the same case here front
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: of the Daily Telegraph. This is a big story across
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: all news papers tomorrow, Yes we can, and it's an
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: exclusive about how social media, how the government has been
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: given a green light to impose a sixteen and under
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: a social media ban. So this is a story that
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: has dominated in recent months about how the government was
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: considering doing this, and now the first technological trial into
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: this has determined that if they do this, it would
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: be a robust and effective method of helping to protect kids.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: I've got to say I'm for it. With two young kids.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: I think it's social media has just got out of control.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: I'm really concerned about what it's going to be like
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: for my kids personally.
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  Speaker 3: And I think if you can police it in a
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: way that protects privacy and doesn't compromise data, then I
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: do support it, to be honest, and I think you
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: look at especially TikTok that's literally a Chinese spyware plant farm.
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  Speaker 6: I think we should have it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: I know you're big, but it is spyware.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Use every program to advertise your TikTok, account for it.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't bring it out of his design.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I want it, Okay, moving on, so TikTok, that's not
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: great meta. I mean, we still don't know how these
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: algorithms work. We know the impact it's having on We've
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: seen the suicide rates just skyrockets since smartphones and social
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: media was introduced in around twenty twelve. I think it
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: should be regulated like tobacco, like alcohol. It's not great
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: for kids. There is basically zero upside to it for children.
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  Speaker 2: I totally understand as a parent, you don't keep your
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: kids off social media for as long as you possibly can.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Don't let them have an Instagram or whatever until they're
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: thirty five years old. But the ABC reported just yesterday,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: and this is tomorrow's news, but the ABC reported that
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the trials were pretty hit and miss. You had a
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: child who was fifteen repeatedly misidentified as being twenty or thirty.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: There was a girl who was seventeen.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Identified one time as fourteen, at another time as thirty two.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: So there's still a long way to go with this,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: but they've decided it's good enough.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: And that's a bit of a theme with the Albanezy government.
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: Isn't it.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the front page of the Herald Son.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: This is a shocking story and I've been trying to
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: get the rest of the story as and Caroline.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Have been speaking.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: We've only got the front page, so we'll just give
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: you the details we can deadly mix up.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Reads the headline.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Woman dies as ambos and police stand off causes a
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: five hour wait. So a woman was left to die
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: while waiting up to five hours for an ambulance due
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to an emergency services standoff. Paramedics were called late on Tuesday,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: but they requested police assistance because the woman had been
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: violent with emergency services workers in the past. Fair enough,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: but police refused to attend without evidence of violence. So
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the paramedics said, we're not going to this woman without
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: police assistance, and escort. The police said, well, unless there's
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: violence taking place, we can't be there. Five hours they
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: argued over this, by which time the lady was deceased.
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  Speaker 5: I do feel for the paramedics in this case, because
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: you know, a few years ago we had that horrific
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: tragedy in Sydney where medic died and a dad to
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: be in the car park of a fast food restaurant
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: someone with mental health issues stabbed him repeatedly. Paramedics face
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: incredible risks every day just doing their jobs, and I
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: don't blame them if this woman was violent in the
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: past for not wanting to go in, I think obviously
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: they'll I mean, there will likely be an inquest, a
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: coronial inquest into this if or an internal review if
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: police had been contacted and didn't turn up for five hours.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: So I think there needs to be serious questions as
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: to why they refuse to help for so long.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't really understand why they needed evidence
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: of current violence. When she has a violent history. You'd
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: think that would be good enough for police, and then
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: you'd think after a couple hours they would go, oh,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: my gosh, like this is an emergency. Let's just I know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: the laws of the law, but I think a woman's
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: life is more important than following whatever bureaucratic steps they
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: have to go through. But let's move now to the advertiser.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Here the headline is can't spell? Have a gun? The
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: police recruitment crisis is so bad the government has dropped
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: a requirement for prospective cadets to pass spelling and numeracy tests.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Police Minister Stephen Mulligan said it was to stop so
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: many recruits being knocked out. I would like to see
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: these spelling and numeracy tests.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: But if they're basic, and.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: They're not like, you know, high school or university level mathematics,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, shouldn't there be some standard for our police.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I want to criticize Caroline, but I failed a basic
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: spelling test as a first year UNI student and became
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: a journalist, so I got.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: Well, I got to be honest, and I'm pretty pedantic
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: about things like spelling and grammar and pretty good with
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: my math. And there are a number of journalists out
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: there who can't spell. I think many of them should
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: not be the to Carstones in this instance. I would
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: like a police officer who could keep us safe, who
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: could protect us. They reports don't have to be perfectly spelled.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: I mean they have spellcheck to do those sorts of things.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: I think there's more important things, but I'd like to
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: think they could maybe pass.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: Like Ankdergard well.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: As a young reporter, I was doing the synopsis for neighbors,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: like on the TV Guide, and they called me into
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: his office and he emptied a mail bag full of
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: letters complaining about a spelling mistake in the TV Guide
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: which I was responsible for.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: I never made another spelling error that Gold Coast bulletin
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: now and there's a couple of stories of note here.
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: First one on top of the World.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: It's a Melbourne based consortium which is planning to build
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: the tallest tower in Australia. It would be a whopping
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: one hundred and one stories. You can see it there
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: on the right hand side of the paper. Mayor Tom
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: Tait in the Gold Coast is calling the startling project
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: behind the south.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: Port Bowls Club a vote of.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Confidence in the city's ailing CBD. It's look, I don't
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: know if you'd call that an iesore or something. To
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: go to the Gold Seaport quickly rough at see the
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: RSPZ and police probe up to ten dogs living on
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: a houseboat. They're living it up right there. It's a
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: dog's life, isn't it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: That looks fun. I want to be on that house boat.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I just love the contrast for the goldens.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Right, You've got one hundred and one story monstrosity and
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: ten dogs living together on a houseboat.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely incredible. Stick around. When we come back.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Airline stewardesses, they are always very well groomed. But their
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: lipstick that's not for grooming. It's not esthetics.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Apparently that's like an emergency measure.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Explain that in the moment. Welcome back to the program.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I fly a fair bit. But Caroline, this next story,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I have never heard this before, so take it away.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I think it'll be news to a lot of people.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Well, you know how flight attendants always look so perfect.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: I mean we all pretty crap, well, at least I
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: do when I'm traveling on a flight, especially by the
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: end of it. But they've got this flawless makeup and
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: gorgeous hair, perfect stature, and then they've got these beautiful
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: red lips. Apparently it's not just a case of looking
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: appealing for the passenger's sake. Apparently there's a safety reason
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: behind it. A form of flight attendant has told The
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: New York Times that the reason cabin crew wear red lipstick,
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: and I'm just talking about the female flight attendency, is
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: because passengers can better read their lips in the case
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: of an emergency.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: Do you buy that well?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, you've just raised a good point. Why does
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: this not apply to the male flight attendants? Do I
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: then want to be strategically females. I can read their
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: lips just in case we go down. Doesn't make any sense.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: It makes no sense to I'm going to take your
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: word for it.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: Don't take my word. Can you do some reason search
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: for us? Do they all wear red lipstick? Now another
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: flight story, A dad has churned what was a bit
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: of an on air meltdown by his young daughter into
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: a bit of fun. He brought the baby out after
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: the flight to greet each passenger as they disembarked. Have
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: a look, now, who of us have not been annoyed
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: by some screaming baby in entire flight? I mean, as
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: a mom, I am now a lot more sympathetic to
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: the poor parents.
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: But it's hard to be mad at that guy.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: All you want to is get off the plane, away
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: from the kid and the heat off the plane and
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the kid's still there.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: That's the worst thing ever.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Founding fathers back in seventeen seventy six would never have
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: imagined that US politics would reach the low, pitiful state
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: that it has reached. But check out what happened in
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: the Oregon legislat where the Democrats passed the motion very
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: important recognizing black drag performers, very important motion, and this
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: is how they celebrated in the House. Honestly, the best
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: advertisement for Republicans is just let Democrats keep being Democrats
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: and they will never.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Take office again.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: One of the things that really worried me is someone
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: in the comments section when I read the story in
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: the paper wrote, see drag queens aren't just meant for kids,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: which shows how normalized rag for kids has been that
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: to point out, see it's for adults as well.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: But there you go. The Democrats have no friends with
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: that kind of rubbish.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: So weird sitting there in silence in broad daylight watching
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: these six foot tall dudes parade around in glitter and sparkles.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: It's just, yeah, this is what people died for in
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: multiple work our democratic rights.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: I feel like the Republicans probably planted this, getting.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: People to see how ludicrous this policy is.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe so well, Happy birthday to our Caleb Bond, and
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: good night to all of you stick around me.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: The penalty shows coming up in just a moment.