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3 Times Society Refused to Accept New Books on Science · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, well, well, we're finally getting to an episode
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Speaker 1: that we have been looking forward to for a long
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Speaker 1: long time. Today we're doing banned Books. That's right, YouTube Aerosmith,
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Speaker 1: to Ridiculous History, folks. We promised that the rest of
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Speaker 1: the jokes you will here will be at least better
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Speaker 1: After that, everything is just bonus icing. That's the way
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Speaker 1: you and I approach a lot of things, man, bonus icing. Yes,
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Speaker 1: And speaking of bonuses, we are, as always immensely privileged
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Speaker 1: to have our super producer, Casey Pegram with us today.
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Speaker 1: And you know, jokes aside, this, this is a fascinating episode.
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Speaker 1: And this is a little bit like a list for us,
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Speaker 1: sort of a listical what what? What? What does a
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Speaker 1: list make? Three? Three is the minimum number required to
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Speaker 1: make a list, which is a rule I agree with
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Speaker 1: I just made up back in our YouTube video days,
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Speaker 1: because you know, we would have to have shows that
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Speaker 1: we're list based, and there would be things where you know,
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Speaker 1: five is a great number for a list, but three
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Speaker 1: is the minimum. Three is the minimum. It almost is
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Speaker 1: like ship you didn't want to go the extra mile
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Speaker 1: and do for us, and even for the answer to
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Speaker 1: that today, my friends, is no, we've got a solid three.
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Speaker 1: We've got a solid three. We've got some other things
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Speaker 1: that might interest you. And this this episode is kind
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Speaker 1: of inspired by our earlier discussion previous episode on the
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Speaker 1: dilemma of progress versus preservations. True, So we're talking about
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Speaker 1: these books that have been suppressed or yanked out of
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Speaker 1: popular society literally physically yanked out of children's hands at times, yes,
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Speaker 1: you know, by constables or something. I don't know, right,
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Speaker 1: And now the police, the book police, got I hope
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Speaker 1: they're real. Wait, no, no, because I know what's going
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Speaker 1: to happen in this episode. No, they are real, And
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Speaker 1: I don't like you go on it. You don't want that,
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Speaker 1: you don't want none of that. Thank you for saving
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Speaker 1: me there, And I'll keep your books, man, you gotta
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Speaker 1: keep them. So usually when we think of books being banned,
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Speaker 1: we think of you know, fictional things like uh, they
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Speaker 1: catch her in the Rise to Kill a Mockingbird is
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Speaker 1: is one that comes up, and you know, it's still
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Speaker 1: taught in school, but it is one that some schools
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Speaker 1: are uncomfortable with, right exactly. But what we're looking at
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Speaker 1: today is the other side of the genre equation. You see.
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Speaker 1: It's not just fictional books that get band burned or
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Speaker 1: pulled from the market. Yeah, and we could argue that
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Speaker 1: this is uh, you know, more important in many ways
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Speaker 1: than than, uh than banning works of fiction, which obviously
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Speaker 1: are culturally valuable. But we're talking about hard stuff here,
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Speaker 1: hard science, science fact. Yes, yes, things that literally changed
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Speaker 1: our understanding of the world. But to this day, some
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Speaker 1: of these books are still looked at by many. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna get into that too. Oh yes, yes, we have
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Speaker 1: we have a great uh, we have a great example
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Speaker 1: of reference that you found that we are going to
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Speaker 1: have to put in at some point in the episode.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's gonna be fun. It's that we we're
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Speaker 1: gonna have a musical guest. Yeah, we're gonna have a
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Speaker 1: musical guest. It's gonna be uh, not not the first time,
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Speaker 1: but one of the most enjoyable slash disturbing. So who
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Speaker 1: do we have first? The first banded book, Well, it
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Speaker 1: was written by a fellow named Galileo GALILEI have you
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Speaker 1: heard that song by the Indigo Girls? I love it,
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Speaker 1: always thinking of it as we were going in today
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Speaker 1: a t L hometown heroes. It's like Galileo or something
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Speaker 1: something something over a couple of beers. I am now,
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Speaker 1: how long till my soul get right? Can any human be?
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Speaker 1: He never reached that kind of life? Then? Right, beautiful
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Speaker 1: singing voice. Oh my god, it's cool, it's it's you
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Speaker 1: know that. It's an interesting um. They do a good
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Speaker 1: job of sort of personifying the quandary that Galileo faced
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Speaker 1: because he was an innovator, He thought big, He had
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Speaker 1: big ideas, and that was not particularly popular with many
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Speaker 1: of the folks in power, especially the Because we're talking
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Speaker 1: about the Copernican view of the solar system, right, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: uh Helio centrism, the radical notion that, despite the spiritual implications,
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Speaker 1: the Earth revolved around the Sun rather than the Sun
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Speaker 1: and all things revolving around Earth. Now, I'm a little
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Speaker 1: foggy about why that be, that being the Ptolemaic model, correct,
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Speaker 1: why does one or the other imply more or less
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Speaker 1: of a god. So the controversy from a spiritual sense
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Speaker 1: is that Earth and humanity are the protagonist of the universe.
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Speaker 1: Got it, They're the main characters. That makes sense, you know.
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Speaker 1: So there there's the way a child thinks, probably right,
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Speaker 1: or many adults. But the thing that was interesting about
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Speaker 1: this as well is that other astronomy, or it's not
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Speaker 1: just you know, spiritual leaders, but other astronomers tried to
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Speaker 1: find what they felt were quantitative arguments against heliocentrism. But
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Speaker 1: his book, The Dialogue concerning the two Chief World Systems
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Speaker 1: Totlemaic and Copernican, was a little too solid to uh,
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Speaker 1: to be taken down just by attempts at rebuttaled arguments.
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Speaker 1: It's true, and the Spanish Inquisition gets into this game
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Speaker 1: pretty quick, right in sixteen eleven. They kind of caught
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Speaker 1: wind of Galileo and him espousing these Copernican views, but
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Speaker 1: they sort of, you know, kept their distance. They didn't
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Speaker 1: come a gun in for him right away, and he
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Speaker 1: was allowed even he had pals in the in the
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Speaker 1: papacy in the Vatican Um who kind of gave him
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Speaker 1: some leeway. I guess they allowed him to espouse these
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Speaker 1: views as long as he couched them as being mathematical theory,
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Speaker 1: which is a theme that comes into play with some
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Speaker 1: of our other list entries. Right, Yeah, they micro managed
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Speaker 1: the pants off this guy. He originally intended to title
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Speaker 1: this work Dialogue on the Two Chief World Systems, the
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Speaker 1: Dialogue on the Ebb and Flow of the Sea, but
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Speaker 1: the Inquisition made him remove the reference to tides in
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Speaker 1: the title. This this twenty years later too, they've they'd
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Speaker 1: known about him since the early they had their eye
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Speaker 1: on him, and they they're like, all right, let's see
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Speaker 1: what this uh rabbel rouser gets up to. Then, in
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Speaker 1: sixteen sixty he kept having complaints filed against him, right
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Speaker 1: for for his views and for him his willingness to
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Speaker 1: openly speak about this and to publish these works um
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Speaker 1: and he finally had a complaint lodged against him, a
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Speaker 1: written complaint with the Inquisition, specifically against Galileo's Copernican views.
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Speaker 1: And Galileo responded by defending his views to a person
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Speaker 1: by the name of Monsignor Piero Dini, who was a
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Speaker 1: official at the Vatican Um. And then he also wrote
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Speaker 1: his famous letter to the Grand Duchess Christina basically saying,
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Speaker 1: come on, I'm just asking questions here. You know, I
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Speaker 1: should be free to explore the meaning of of the
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Speaker 1: universe in existence without you meddling in my affairs, you know,
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Speaker 1: get out of my face, Rome, right, and let's let's
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Speaker 1: dive into a little bit of this here. So earlier,
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Speaker 1: Pope Urban the eighth had himself asked Galileo to argue
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Speaker 1: for and against helio centrism because they were kind of
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Speaker 1: personal friends. It was as much as you can be
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Speaker 1: with a pope, right. He asked him to put these
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Speaker 1: arguments in the book and to be careful not to
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Speaker 1: advocate helio centrism, sort of pull a pull a mainstream
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Speaker 1: news thing, present both sides of the arc exactly. And
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Speaker 1: he asked for another favor, and he said, hey, Galileo,
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Speaker 1: can you put my purse views about this in the book?
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Speaker 1: And Galileo did. But the problem is that the presenter
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Speaker 1: of the geocentric view that Earth is the middle of everything, uh,
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Speaker 1: the defender of that in the book is a guy
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Speaker 1: named Simplicio, not the most complimentary name, and it's like
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Speaker 1: he has he's some sort of simp simple. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: comes off like adult, Yes, a dunderhead, yeah, an income boop,
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Speaker 1: got it. And Galileo takes the things that Pope Urban
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Speaker 1: says and puts them in Simplicio's voice, and so the
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Speaker 1: Pope feels publicly ridiculed and is no longer a fan
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Speaker 1: of Galileo. G So Galileo gets called to Rome to
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Speaker 1: defend his controversial writings. Uh. He arrives in February of
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Speaker 1: six three, and he is brought to the inquisitors. And
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Speaker 1: it's also just point out that about a decade prior,
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Speaker 1: in sixteen sixteen, he was formally accused of heresy already,
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Speaker 1: so he was he was not. You know, the fact
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Speaker 1: that he was buddies with Pope Urban probably is what
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Speaker 1: got his butt out of the frying pan a time
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Speaker 1: or two. But now he has literally piste off the
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Speaker 1: one guy that was going to help him, you know,
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Speaker 1: dodge the inquisitors. And you know, no one expects the
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Speaker 1: Spanish inquisition, right, we made it, We made it. It happened. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he had a past, and nol I think you put
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Speaker 1: it very well when you when you talk about how
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Speaker 1: he's almost always skirting by, just on the edge, and
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Speaker 1: when it all comes to a head in sixteen thirties. Right,
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Speaker 1: in sixteen thirty three, he is interrogated. He's like seventy
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Speaker 1: at this point. He's interrogated for eighteen days straight. They
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Speaker 1: eventually say, look, we're going to torture you if you
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Speaker 1: don't tell us what we want to hear. Well, it's like,
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Speaker 1: what do they want him to say? I mean as
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Speaker 1: what they want him to confess to? What exactly? Because
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Speaker 1: a scientist like he didn't, I don't understand. I think
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Speaker 1: they just wanted him to renounce his views. I think
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Speaker 1: that's what they were after, right, They wanted him to
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Speaker 1: print him retraction. Yeah, he was specifically required in the
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Speaker 1: sentence they delivered in June twenty second to sixty three,
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Speaker 1: he was required to abjure, curse, and detest his heliocentric opinions.
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Speaker 1: That's right. They were basically saying that he had made
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Speaker 1: too strong a case for the Copernican view of the
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Speaker 1: Solar system. And so what's the outcome here? Right, he's
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Speaker 1: alienated the pope, he's no longer under his protection. He
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Speaker 1: does get this sentence, They tell him to renounce everything. Uh.
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Speaker 1: They lay a few other clauses on him too. Uh,
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Speaker 1: but do they kill him, do they what happens? Nah?
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Speaker 1: They just kind of like do the U six hundreds
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Speaker 1: equivalent of like the old ankle bracelet you know where
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Speaker 1: you gotta you can't leave? That's right, he is he
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Speaker 1: is a permanent time out. He gets put on a
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Speaker 1: house arrest for the rest of his life. Yeah. And
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Speaker 1: I think they ban his work out right, m like,
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Speaker 1: like any of it? And is that? Is that right?
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Speaker 1: Publication of anything he wrote was forbidden, including anything that
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Speaker 1: he might write in the future. But of course, you know,
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Speaker 1: as smart people are often able to do. He persevered
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Speaker 1: and did continue to write. He figured out how to
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Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. Yeah, and you have to wonder is
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Speaker 1: that a fate worse than death? To be so smart
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Speaker 1: and so enterprising and be told that we're not going
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Speaker 1: to kill you, but you cannot do the one thing
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Speaker 1: they gave your life meaning. And now it makes me
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Speaker 1: think of the really amazing scene in the Tanya Harding movie,
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Speaker 1: which I really recommend if you guys haven't seen it,
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Speaker 1: where she the judge passes down the sentence. This isn't
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Speaker 1: a spoiler because this was in the news, you know, right.
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Speaker 1: I think we're good here, um, and the judge says,
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Speaker 1: you're not going to go to jail, but you can't
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Speaker 1: skate professionally anymore. Ever, again, you can't compete. And she's
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Speaker 1: just like in tears and it's like, you know, her
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Speaker 1: conspirators or whatever they got jail time. He's like, just
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Speaker 1: tell me to jail. I just don't. I can't. If
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Speaker 1: I can't skate, what's the point? You know? This is like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but as you said, no, he does remain in the
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Speaker 1: historical record, and the mark he left on the human
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Speaker 1: effort to understand the world in the universe around us
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Speaker 1: remains profound and crucial. Today we didn't even talk about
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Speaker 1: his book The Starry Messenger. We're using his prototype for
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Speaker 1: the modern day telescope. Um. He was able to observe
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Speaker 1: celestial bodies and and write things down about them before
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Speaker 1: I believe anybody else. Wow, Yeah, that's I mean, that's fantastic.
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Speaker 1: We could do an entire series of shows on the
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Speaker 1: historical significance of Galileo. It's kind of a shame that
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Speaker 1: we have to move on. It really is what we're
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Speaker 1: moving on to um some equally fascinating territory. This may
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Speaker 1: well be the most infamous book on our list or
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Speaker 1: the most well known by you know, the average Jane
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Speaker 1: Joe walking around. For sure. It is on the origin
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Speaker 1: of species by means of natural selection. Can we get
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Speaker 1: a crazy sound? Cue drop Charles Darwin, perfect yeah, Charles Darwin,
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Speaker 1: Charles Darwin, Charlie Dean him yeah to his friends. He
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Speaker 1: was a fascinating character. So what did his what? What
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Speaker 1: did his book ultimately argue? No, the crux of its
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Speaker 1: argument was a little thing called evolution. Hoo hoo, hoo
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Speaker 1: hoo um is not the most palatable thing to certain
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Speaker 1: folks of certain religious persuasions. In the same way that
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Speaker 1: Galileo's ideas challenged these views, this challenged a lot as
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Speaker 1: well in terms of, you know, if we evolved from
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Speaker 1: other more lower species than we were, not made in
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Speaker 1: God's image, Adam and Eve's out the window. A lot
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Speaker 1: of things kind of go out the window when you
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Speaker 1: start to buy into his findings. Right, we see again
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Speaker 1: a an analog here or a similar theme as we
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Speaker 1: saw in the books by Galileo, Because the heliocentric argument
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Speaker 1: is a bit of a kick or a bruise to
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Speaker 1: the ego of the human species, and in a way,
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Speaker 1: the on the origin of species is also a kick
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Speaker 1: to humanity because it's saying you are not this singular
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Speaker 1: thing that was ate out a whole cloth. You are
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Speaker 1: the result of a process that was here before you
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Speaker 1: and will function long after you were gone. It's very true, man.
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Speaker 1: And just just a quick little summary of of of
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Speaker 1: Charlie Um. He was a naturalist, biologist, a geologist, um,
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Speaker 1: very very versatile man in his learned nous um. And
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Speaker 1: he believed that all species of life evolved or descended
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Speaker 1: from a common ancestor. Right. What was that common ancestor for?
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Speaker 1: For man? Oh, the primates, the primates, right, all right?
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Speaker 1: And so, like we said before, this was not met
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Speaker 1: with the most open arms from religious leaders. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: this is a thing that still goes on today. So
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Speaker 1: let's just talk about like how this work was received
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Speaker 1: when it came out and what may have led to
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Speaker 1: the idea of it being a banned book, and then
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Speaker 1: we'll kind of bring it to modern day. Sure, here
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Speaker 1: we go. So first it's important to know that Darwin
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Speaker 1: himself identified agnostic, meaning that he was not a fervent
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Speaker 1: practitioner of any particular religion, especially you know, Christianity, which
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Speaker 1: would have been very common in his time. Darwin was
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Speaker 1: considered a pretty affable country country gentleman, country gentry, and
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Speaker 1: he shocked Victorian society at the time when he suggested
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Speaker 1: that animals and humans came from a common source. Pearls
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Speaker 1: were clutched right right. This It wasn't universally hated. It
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Speaker 1: was just controversial because there was at the time also
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Speaker 1: a rising class of professional scientists. It was their job
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Speaker 1: to conduct experiments, right, to be a chemist or physicist,
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Speaker 1: so on, and this concept, this non religious biology, appealed
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Speaker 1: to them and they propagate did it. But at the
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Speaker 1: same time, very powerful people are powerfully offended. As powerful
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Speaker 1: people tend to get their their offense has has legs,
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Speaker 1: It reaches outward, it can ruin lives, it can topple
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Speaker 1: empires and suppress information. Right, so let's look at the timeline.
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Speaker 1: He publishes the book in eighteen fifty nine and it
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Speaker 1: outlines the theory of evolution. Not long after that the
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Speaker 1: book is banned, particularly in the library of Trinity College, Cambridge,
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Speaker 1: where he had been a student. So the banning begins
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Speaker 1: soon after the book is published, and it inspires international debate.
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Speaker 1: The Church of England reacted against the book. But interestingly enough,
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Speaker 1: Anglicans supported Darwin's theory of natural selection and saw as
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Speaker 1: an instrument of God's designs. So they were saying, Okay,
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Speaker 1: evolution can happen because God wants it to. Okay, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's interesting. It's very adaptable view. I guess I can
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Speaker 1: appreciate that. But Darwin's research only got more controversial as
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Speaker 1: time went on, and it started to become a concern,
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Speaker 1: uh in public schools. Yes, And this is what's nice
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Speaker 1: about this being second in our list here is Galileo
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Speaker 1: may feel like ancient history to some people, right, Charles
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Speaker 1: Darwin may feel a little bit older too, because the
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Speaker 1: book is in, you know, the mid eighteen hundreds. But
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Speaker 1: the controversy didn't like die down in nineteen or something.
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Speaker 1: It continued for a long time. And it continued, especially
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Speaker 1: here in the United States, even though much like global
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Speaker 1: warming is is largely accepted by the scientific community, Darwin's
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Speaker 1: teach ngs were as well. Um, and the idea of
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Speaker 1: evolution and natural selection is sort of the law of
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Speaker 1: the land as far as the science crowd goes um. So,
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Speaker 1: as one would expect, this sends up in a lot
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Speaker 1: of books, a lot of textbooks that students are getting
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Speaker 1: in high schools and middle schools about biology and the
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Speaker 1: origin of life. Um, and that rubbed certain local government's
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Speaker 1: the wrong way. Yeah, no kidding. And the way that
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Speaker 1: they would freeze this opposition was relatively fluid. There would
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Speaker 1: be you know. Some of the initial opposition was that
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Speaker 1: this was essentially heresy, which you can't prosecute people for heresy.
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Speaker 1: We don't have a Spanish inquisition anymore, right, so that
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Speaker 1: that argument was pretty much on the level transparent. This
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Speaker 1: offends our view of the nature of the universe. And
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Speaker 1: people rallied behind this cause it became something that would
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Speaker 1: be portrayed in pop culture as well. Yeah, big time. Um,
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Speaker 1: have you heard of the Scopes monkey trial? Then? Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: what do you know about the Scopes trials? The Scopes
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Speaker 1: trials took place in Tennessee, right, and it was a
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Speaker 1: There are some twists interns ahere to this story, but
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Speaker 1: the quick summary is that this was almost like a
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Speaker 1: public trial for whether or not evolution should be taught
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Speaker 1: in United States public schools. That's right. In fact, they
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Speaker 1: had a law on the books in nine that was
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Speaker 1: called the Butler Act hbe UM. It was the bill
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Speaker 1: that was founded on the arrest of John Scopes, who
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Speaker 1: was a teacher in a Tennessee public school and he
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Speaker 1: took it upon himself to teach evolution. And that did
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Speaker 1: not say it well with the Tennessee government and a
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Speaker 1: lot of people rally behind this because this was the
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Speaker 1: first trial to be broadcast on the radio. Yeah. The
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Speaker 1: language of the law was no joke either. It was
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Speaker 1: described as quote, an act prohibiting the teaching of the
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Speaker 1: evolution theory in all the universities, normals, and other public
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Speaker 1: schools of Tennessee. It prohibited the teaching of any theory
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Speaker 1: that denies the story of the divine creation of man
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Speaker 1: as taught in the Bible, and to teach instead that
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Speaker 1: man has descended from a lower order of animals. Punishments included.
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Speaker 1: Any teacher found guilty of the violation of this Act
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Speaker 1: shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction, shall
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Speaker 1: be fined not less than one hundred dollars nor more
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Speaker 1: than five hundred for each offense. Yikes, right, And this
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Speaker 1: is in Dayton, Tennessee. And one thing that I find
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Speaker 1: kind of wholesome and lighthearted about the whole event is
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Speaker 1: that there was a carnivalesque atmosphere outside the courthouse. People
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Speaker 1: were selling hot dogs, lemonade, toy monkeys of course. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: In fact, there's a pretty amazing little jingle um that
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Speaker 1: was written around this very event. Casey, can we have
23:12
Speaker 1: a clip of this? Please? No kin to the markey, No, no,
23:16
Speaker 1: no the markeyskin to yeeah, Yeah, I don't know much
23:21
Speaker 1: too bad his and says just that I didn't swing
23:24
Speaker 1: by that tree. It's seems so unbelievable, and yet those
23:30
Speaker 1: saying it's true, the teaching us about it now bad
23:35
Speaker 1: humans were monkeys wants to sweet sweet, catchy ignorance. It
23:42
Speaker 1: is catchy. You have to give it that. If you
23:45
Speaker 1: just heard that song and you didn't speak English, you
23:48
Speaker 1: would think, oh, that's that's got a nice roll to it.
23:50
Speaker 1: What's got good alliteration. It's like, I'm no kin to
23:53
Speaker 1: the monkey. No, no, no the monkeys no can to me?
23:57
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like a calypso almost. Yeah, it's got,
24:00
Speaker 1: it's got. It's got some punch to it. Kind of
24:01
Speaker 1: makes me want to deny evolution. It's working. Null, it's working.
24:06
Speaker 1: Can't listen to the song in full, they'll get you.
24:08
Speaker 1: But they also technically got scopes. Interesting fact, he was
24:13
Speaker 1: found guilty and he was fined one dollars. I guess
24:17
Speaker 1: he only did it once. In the modern parlance, we
24:20
Speaker 1: would say he took an L. He took that L
24:22
Speaker 1: for all of us. Yeah, he really did. But this,
24:24
Speaker 1: you know, this, uh, this was and this stuff was
24:27
Speaker 1: happening as recently as like the nineties. UM. In Georgia,
24:30
Speaker 1: for example, there was a Supreme Court ruling that declared
24:34
Speaker 1: it unconstitutional for the government to require biology textbooks that
24:40
Speaker 1: contained natural selection UM, versions of evolution, and the origins
24:45
Speaker 1: of life. UM. They would have stickers on them that
24:49
Speaker 1: referred to this stuff as a theory. Evolution is a theory,
24:53
Speaker 1: they would say, not a fact regarding the origin of
24:56
Speaker 1: living things. And then in January, a federal judge rule
25:00
Speaker 1: that those stickers were no good because they essentially endorsed
25:04
Speaker 1: a religious viewpoint, and the school board spent a year
25:09
Speaker 1: appealing the ruling until it finally got settled in two
25:12
Speaker 1: thousand and six. Man, that's insane. I really like this one.
25:16
Speaker 1: In California, of course, California, in the Supreme Court UM
25:20
Speaker 1: decided to not hear UM. The association of Christian schools
25:25
Speaker 1: international at all versus roman sterns at all um. And
25:29
Speaker 1: this case was an appeal of a ruling um that
25:33
Speaker 1: basically said that the state had the right to consider
25:39
Speaker 1: the teachings of certain religious schools insufficient preparation for college.
25:44
Speaker 1: That's you know, you've got to respect the way that
25:47
Speaker 1: people frame these things, because supporters of the measures like
25:51
Speaker 1: the sticker thing or the idea of teaching intelligent design
25:55
Speaker 1: hand in hand with evolution into public school Supporters of
25:59
Speaker 1: these measures say that they are not repressing of you.
26:03
Speaker 1: They are promoting quote, academic freedom by encouraging students and
26:07
Speaker 1: teachers alike to think critically and question pretty much question everything.
26:12
Speaker 1: That's a bunch of gibber jabber. I don't know if
26:14
Speaker 1: it is sincere. Yeah, yeah, it seems like a line
26:18
Speaker 1: of bull honkey. It seems like there's a whole stream
26:22
Speaker 1: of WHOI. But it does go to show that even
26:26
Speaker 1: even after more than a hundred years, this book remains controversial,
26:31
Speaker 1: and there are people who will tell you that it
26:33
Speaker 1: is purposefully meant to mislead you, you know, even though
26:38
Speaker 1: and hey, no ding on Christians here. This is just
26:42
Speaker 1: a matter of to me ignoring clear evidence in favor
26:47
Speaker 1: of stuff that even many Christians will say that the
26:51
Speaker 1: Bible is a is a a book that is meant
26:53
Speaker 1: to teach. It has these kind of like scenarios that
26:56
Speaker 1: are necessarily meant to be read as literally act ual occurrences.
27:01
Speaker 1: So I always find it interesting when people are so
27:04
Speaker 1: stuck in an opinion that they can't see that there's,
27:08
Speaker 1: you know, other information out there. And I'm a fan
27:10
Speaker 1: of the approach that those Anglicans took back in the
27:13
Speaker 1: eighteen fifties eighteen sixties. Things don't have to be mutually exclusive.
27:19
Speaker 1: You know, your your personal belief system is just that
27:23
Speaker 1: personal right. And so also you have to consider if
27:28
Speaker 1: somebody is an opponent of a scientific thought like this
27:31
Speaker 1: or a theory of some sort, going out of your
27:34
Speaker 1: way to suppress it in this manner makes it so
27:38
Speaker 1: much more powerful and interesting to everyone else. You know,
27:42
Speaker 1: are so thanks to you, Charles Darwin, Thanks for hopping
27:47
Speaker 1: on the Beagle and changing the course of science for us.
27:51
Speaker 1: All the Regal Beagle, yep, the HMS Beagle. No, we're
28:01
Speaker 1: drawing to a close at least four hour massive list
28:04
Speaker 1: of three. I don't know. I think we've done a
28:07
Speaker 1: good job of expanding. Uh, there have been lists within
28:10
Speaker 1: lists kind of you know, sub lists, and I have
28:13
Speaker 1: so much other stuff on banning books. I might have
28:16
Speaker 1: to just like run through it real quick at the end,
28:17
Speaker 1: do it if we have time. But what's what's next? Oh? Man, Well, Casey,
28:22
Speaker 1: I want to, I want to. I want you to
28:24
Speaker 1: give me your feedback on this. We're going to talk
28:27
Speaker 1: about George. That's like George the Master Colorge kind of
28:37
Speaker 1: I think I did it. Okay, I think you did
28:38
Speaker 1: a great you all right, so George, Now I'm in
28:41
Speaker 1: a n I gotta really liked Was this all on Mike? Yeah? Okay, great?
28:44
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. It doesn't have to be
28:46
Speaker 1: well this has been Casey on the case I guess,
28:48
Speaker 1: so does have to be that this gentleman, George has
28:55
Speaker 1: the most remarkably unremarkable title of any of the books
29:00
Speaker 1: so far. I love, I love the pants off of it. Um,
29:03
Speaker 1: would you like to grace us with this title? Ben sure?
29:07
Speaker 1: Get ready? Homogeneous Universe of constant mass and growing radius
29:12
Speaker 1: accounting for the radial velocity of extra galactic nebula by
29:17
Speaker 1: George Lament. I'm telling you you're nailing that pronunciation. I
29:21
Speaker 1: could you hear Casey, there was there was pride, there
29:24
Speaker 1: was his voice. I mean it makes me feel really good. Um.
29:27
Speaker 1: So yeah, this this gentleman. Um, he wrote this article.
29:31
Speaker 1: It wasn't a book, um. And this espoused essentially the
29:38
Speaker 1: first version of what is now referred to as the
29:43
Speaker 1: Big Bang theory or yeah that one. Yeah, that's the
29:47
Speaker 1: automanopia version, right. And just to give you a sense
29:50
Speaker 1: of what a giant of astrophysics this guy was, Stephen
29:54
Speaker 1: Hawkings basically credits him as being the founder of it all,
29:58
Speaker 1: the godfather of this idea of the universe exploding outward
30:04
Speaker 1: from a particle known as what is it a super adam? Yeah,
30:08
Speaker 1: or a cosmic egg or egg? Is that the one? Yeah?
30:11
Speaker 1: That's so cool. Unless we sound like we're going to
30:15
Speaker 1: be constantly pitying science against spirituality here we should point
30:20
Speaker 1: out that, in addition to being a titan in the
30:24
Speaker 1: world of astrophysics, le Maltra was a Belgian Catholic priest.
30:29
Speaker 1: He was. Indeed, every picture you can find of him,
30:31
Speaker 1: he's got his little uh what do you call that thing,
30:33
Speaker 1: a little little priest collar? Yeah, a Roman collar or
30:37
Speaker 1: a clergy color. Here you go. Yeah, so he's he
30:40
Speaker 1: is deep in both worlds, my friend, he is. Uh.
30:44
Speaker 1: He is a man of science and a man of God,
30:47
Speaker 1: which makes his findings extra interesting to me. Absolutely, and
30:53
Speaker 1: his religious standing didn't stop the Big Bang from being
30:57
Speaker 1: looked at as a controversial idea. Even even Albert Einstein
31:01
Speaker 1: at first was like, yeah, are you sure about that?
31:03
Speaker 1: I don't know about that one, buddy, I don't know, father,
31:06
Speaker 1: And we can, you know, you can kind of understand,
31:09
Speaker 1: just like just like the case with Galileo or with
31:12
Speaker 1: Darwin was wild. Yeah, we've never heard this before. Radical,
31:16
Speaker 1: but it's such a challenging question that humanity is still
31:20
Speaker 1: trying to to really figure out. You know, what did
31:23
Speaker 1: the universe have a starting point? If so, what was
31:26
Speaker 1: there beforehand? You know? And this is mind blowing stuff
31:30
Speaker 1: that this guy, this guy came up with. And sure
31:33
Speaker 1: we can we can laugh a little bit at the
31:36
Speaker 1: idea of Cosmic Egg. It's kind of like Emerson's transparent eyeball,
31:40
Speaker 1: but it's sounds like a really cool prog rock band,
31:43
Speaker 1: Cosmic Egg. Oh, we should tell everybody. So we have
31:48
Speaker 1: been collectively, Casey Noel and some of our colleagues and
31:52
Speaker 1: I have collectively been really into making up band names
31:58
Speaker 1: or noting when something would be a good band name.
32:01
Speaker 1: So you're probably gonna hear us doing that for a
32:03
Speaker 1: while in the next few episodes. We like to do
32:06
Speaker 1: the band name and then the genre. So Cosmic Egg. Yeah,
32:10
Speaker 1: like I would say, kind of like crowd rock, like
32:13
Speaker 1: sort of like can you know, very repetitive drumming and
32:16
Speaker 1: you know, dubby kind of bass and yeah, like calm
32:19
Speaker 1: muty guitars and yeah, I'm like in that, Cosmic Egg,
32:23
Speaker 1: what else? What else you got? I feel like Cosmic
32:26
Speaker 1: Egg is definitely the superior the three names for a
32:28
Speaker 1: band name, I think I think he nailed it. Hole
32:31
Speaker 1: of one. We had one last night. It was Denim Glut.
32:33
Speaker 1: Remember Denim Glutt, Denim Clut. Oh was it the Rainbow
32:36
Speaker 1: Denim Glut. No, you were just talking about how like
32:39
Speaker 1: you were. You were saying there was a Denim h
32:41
Speaker 1: surplus and they were trying to like capitalize on that
32:44
Speaker 1: by selling it at a at a loss or something
32:47
Speaker 1: like that, to be a lost leader or something. Anyway,
32:49
Speaker 1: over my head. We had a really in depth discussion
32:52
Speaker 1: off air about Denham. I think we decided that Denim
32:55
Speaker 1: Glut would be uh, kind of an electro dancy kind
32:59
Speaker 1: of kind of bands. Yeah, it had to be, because
33:02
Speaker 1: it would be too on the news for it to
33:03
Speaker 1: be country music. I could see, yeah, definitely, only knows
33:05
Speaker 1: I could see denhim Glood opening for Cosmic Egg though.
33:08
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that seems like a good bill. Dance the
33:11
Speaker 1: night Away. I love it. So we'll let you know
33:15
Speaker 1: when we make those things real bands. But in the
33:18
Speaker 1: meantime we should return to Le Maltratra pretty good. You
33:23
Speaker 1: were so much better at that than I am. It's
33:25
Speaker 1: all about the is that? Oh god, sorry, guys choked
33:34
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's been a week. It has been
33:36
Speaker 1: a long Yeah. Our Belgian cosmologists um and Catholic priest
33:42
Speaker 1: uh and you know, um, let's talk a little bit
33:44
Speaker 1: about how he arrived at this idea. Who do you tell? Well,
33:49
Speaker 1: let's start from the beginning. He was born in eighteen
33:52
Speaker 1: ninety four in Charleroi, Belgium, and from a very early
33:57
Speaker 1: age he was into both science and religion. He did
34:01
Speaker 1: serve in World War One briefly, and then after that
34:05
Speaker 1: he decided to get into theoretical physics and in short
34:09
Speaker 1: order was ordained um so you know, he he really
34:13
Speaker 1: knew his path, kind of a split path, but an
34:15
Speaker 1: interesting one, and he really committed to both pretty heartily. Um.
34:20
Speaker 1: By the time he was thirty one, he became a
34:24
Speaker 1: professor at a Catholic university. And this is interesting. Then
34:28
Speaker 1: during World War Two he actually was hurt when his
34:32
Speaker 1: home was accidentally bombed by US friendly fire. And the
34:39
Speaker 1: whole time he is he is studying physics himself, as
34:44
Speaker 1: is going on as his home is being accidentally bombed.
34:47
Speaker 1: In nine seven, he discovers a group of solutions to
34:51
Speaker 1: Einstein's field equations of relativity, and the solutions that he
34:56
Speaker 1: finds do not describe a static universe. That was the
35:00
Speaker 1: prevailing notion, right, the universe is just here, that's it.
35:06
Speaker 1: But his solutions described an expanding universe. At the same time,
35:12
Speaker 1: a few years earlier, another researcher Russian named Alexander Friedman
35:17
Speaker 1: had discovered this too, but they were not in contact
35:20
Speaker 1: with each other, so he brings this. He publishes this
35:24
Speaker 1: report in the same year in a little known journal
35:30
Speaker 1: called called who all Right, A Hey, Casey, can you
35:35
Speaker 1: I can? Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna do my best here. Uh,
35:40
Speaker 1: that would be the anel something like that. Man looks
35:47
Speaker 1: somewhere in there, Casey on the case leads. In this report,
35:52
Speaker 1: he presents this idea of an expanding universe that we
35:56
Speaker 1: would later call Hubble's law, of the idea that the
35:59
Speaker 1: outward speed of objects in the universe is proportional to
36:02
Speaker 1: their distance from us. This, this is pretty this is
36:06
Speaker 1: pretty crazy stuff, right. It seems legit. It seems legit
36:10
Speaker 1: to us. Now, yeah, then I know. So we've got
36:14
Speaker 1: a little bit of a pickle here. How do we
36:17
Speaker 1: get from cosmic egg to the Big Bang theory. There's
36:20
Speaker 1: there's a story there that it's called Big Bang theory
36:24
Speaker 1: after a sarcastic remark from an English astronomer named Fred
36:28
Speaker 1: Hoyle in nineteen forty nine. It's true. I actually found
36:31
Speaker 1: this article on Christian Today. Um, I guess it's written
36:35
Speaker 1: by a British person because I just love this, they
36:38
Speaker 1: say one skeptical scientist, Fred Hoyle rubbish Lamtro's idea as
36:43
Speaker 1: the Big Bang theory. Um. And even Einstein, we like
36:46
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, thought it was just way too far out. Man,
36:51
Speaker 1: Oh Albert Einstein. Man, and that's just too far out.
36:54
Speaker 1: That's how that's actually sound. We did the research on
36:58
Speaker 1: the Yes. Now fast forward to the modern day. We
37:05
Speaker 1: are very very fortunate that these ideas and these works
37:09
Speaker 1: survived despite the way they challenged the status quot What
37:13
Speaker 1: was it like, the discovery of background radiation or microwaves
37:18
Speaker 1: or something like that, like confirmed a lot of the
37:20
Speaker 1: basis for his argument. That's correct, Noll, that's true. Actually,
37:24
Speaker 1: a while back, I was able to interview the Nobel
37:30
Speaker 1: Prize winning professor John Mather, who was instrumental in essentially
37:36
Speaker 1: proving the Big Bang and taking it outside of the
37:41
Speaker 1: realm of theory. And he we were interviewing him because
37:45
Speaker 1: he was working on the James Webb Space Telescope, which
37:48
Speaker 1: is their successor to the that's right when you guys
37:50
Speaker 1: went to NASA. So cool. Yeah, And it was actually
37:54
Speaker 1: a pair of scientists, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who
37:58
Speaker 1: discovered those cosmic microwave background radiations. I am not even
38:01
Speaker 1: borderline smart enough to know how that relates or what
38:04
Speaker 1: that means, but uh Lemna did find this out before
38:09
Speaker 1: his death, and he sure his crap knew what it meant.
38:11
Speaker 1: So good on him. Vindication, that's true. Score one for
38:17
Speaker 1: science and you always have to imagine, you know, if
38:20
Speaker 1: we put ourselves back in these people's shoes. It is
38:24
Speaker 1: so fascinating to think how much progress they made with
38:29
Speaker 1: so much less assistance or knowledge in comparison to what
38:33
Speaker 1: we have today. Boy, you can we can only hope
38:36
Speaker 1: that in twenty four hundred a d or something people
38:41
Speaker 1: look back and say, I can't believe they made such
38:45
Speaker 1: a great podcast before the days of telepathic communication. You know,
38:50
Speaker 1: if that's our legacy, then I'm fine with that, man.
38:53
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, Ben, I'm bushed that that was This
38:56
Speaker 1: was a long one. It was a long one. I
38:58
Speaker 1: sure would hate it if some sort of put antick
39:00
Speaker 1: supervillain came along. So I already I had so much
39:05
Speaker 1: great stuff to close out on on the dangers of
39:08
Speaker 1: modern censorship. And now now we're here, it's time, gentlemen.
39:15
Speaker 1: I guess it was only a matter of time before
39:18
Speaker 1: it was once again time. That's right, that's right, fatalism.
39:22
Speaker 1: It's your friend, Jonathan Strickland, the Quister. You've returned yet again,
39:27
Speaker 1: both to challenge our ability to discern true history from
39:32
Speaker 1: fake history and to rationalize all the budget money we
39:35
Speaker 1: spent on that gigantic grandfather clock, it's back. Huh, it's
39:39
Speaker 1: always big. Yeah, I am nothing if not an excuse
39:46
Speaker 1: for extravagant purchases. You seem like you've kind of taken
39:49
Speaker 1: it down a notch a little bit. I'm gonna be
39:51
Speaker 1: honest in a in another day, I'm gonna be opening
39:55
Speaker 1: up at a show, and and and all my energy
39:58
Speaker 1: has been devoted to that, So you kind of get
40:00
Speaker 1: in the I'm not gonna say halfway. That's usually you're on,
40:09
Speaker 1: like thirteen six is going to say, it can be
40:11
Speaker 1: a bit much, all right, hang on, hang on, well, gentlemen,
40:15
Speaker 1: now prepare yourself now. As I understand it, the topic
40:19
Speaker 1: for today's discussion was one on burned books. Yeah, can
40:23
Speaker 1: you go back to say, yeah, why did't you ask
40:25
Speaker 1: him to do this? I'm going to burn through all
40:27
Speaker 1: of my energy right now. You know, Twister, I gotta
40:29
Speaker 1: tell you, you've become quite the divisive figure on our show.
40:33
Speaker 1: We only forward you the nice emails. So there's there's
40:35
Speaker 1: those who really hate it. Well, you know what I've
40:37
Speaker 1: always said, it's the most cringe worthy segment in podcasting.
40:40
Speaker 1: I make no apologies. So I have for you your scenario.
40:44
Speaker 1: And of course you always know that I always have
40:46
Speaker 1: an arbitrary rule that I in state yes, in order
40:49
Speaker 1: for you to ask questions during the three minutes you
40:52
Speaker 1: have to deliberate, I will tell you that arbitrary rule
40:55
Speaker 1: after I read you the scenario, so you'll get a
40:58
Speaker 1: little extra time to think it over. That little extra
41:01
Speaker 1: time being you know, the five seconds it takes me
41:03
Speaker 1: to tell you the arbitrary rules. So here is your scenario.
41:06
Speaker 1: And yes, it's gotten longer. It's just that's so row
41:12
Speaker 1: it will as soon be its own podcast. Here we are.
41:14
Speaker 1: From the mid nineteen seventies through the nineteen nineties, many
41:19
Speaker 1: parts of the world, particularly the United States, were gripped
41:21
Speaker 1: in what we now call the Satanic Panic, in which
41:25
Speaker 1: people became convinced that cults practicing ritualistic abuse were poised
41:31
Speaker 1: to topple our world into chaos. Games like Dungeons and
41:34
Speaker 1: Dragons and music like rock and or roll became targets.
41:39
Speaker 1: One town took this a little bit further. On June nine, Hartford, Connecticut,
41:46
Speaker 1: school board officials made a big show of fighting against
41:50
Speaker 1: the forces of darkness by banning several books. Among them
41:55
Speaker 1: was the Necronomicon. There's only one problem. The Necronomicon does
42:00
Speaker 1: not exist. It was a fictional book created by H. P.
42:03
Speaker 1: Lovecraft in his story The Hound in nineteen two, but
42:06
Speaker 1: apparently no one from Rhode Island told the good folks
42:10
Speaker 1: of Hartford, Connecticut about this. It took a few months,
42:13
Speaker 1: but those same officials became the laughing stock of New
42:16
Speaker 1: England once word got out, and no one ever mentioned
42:20
Speaker 1: the ban again. Your arbitrary rule is that before you
42:24
Speaker 1: can ask any question, you must proceed it with yeah, yeah,
42:28
Speaker 1: begain the clock, alright, yeah, yeah, but look dog and alright,
42:32
Speaker 1: go ahead. That romance. I just wanted to try it.
42:35
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I remembered it. I
42:37
Speaker 1: had to say it once. Sorry, I'm wasting pressure setting
42:40
Speaker 1: fan of Lady's perfectly fine. It really? Would they be
42:44
Speaker 1: that foolish? I mean that's yeah, they probably would. Yeah, yes,
42:50
Speaker 1: Mr Bilin. Is it possible that most of this story
42:54
Speaker 1: is true but one part of it has changed? And
42:57
Speaker 1: if so, would that render the entire thing false? If
42:59
Speaker 1: you're asking me, would I make up one detail to
43:02
Speaker 1: make a true story into a false one, I absolutely
43:05
Speaker 1: would do that. Son of a fish, that's my new family.
43:10
Speaker 1: That's fun. That rolls right off the tongue. Um, I'm
43:14
Speaker 1: gonna you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna double down.
43:18
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say true. Really yeah, that's okay. So here's
43:21
Speaker 1: the thing. I'm still divided because these longer ones tend
43:26
Speaker 1: to be fake. If you look back, you're trying to
43:29
Speaker 1: pick up a cat and you're looking for meta information. No,
43:32
Speaker 1: I don't think he would. I don't think he would
43:34
Speaker 1: tip his hand in that way. He hates us, That's
43:37
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think he would try to. He's
43:39
Speaker 1: playing those mind games. So uh shoot, okay, Uh, you
43:51
Speaker 1: know I'm not a native of in Smith or whatever,
43:54
Speaker 1: so you're right right, I'm Eldridge Light at least. So
43:59
Speaker 1: you mentioned Rhode Island. Did how did Rhode Island come
44:02
Speaker 1: into Lovecraft was from Rhode Island, Born in Rhode Island,
44:05
Speaker 1: died in Rhode Island, went to New York a couple
44:07
Speaker 1: of times, and it really screwed with his mind. Did
44:09
Speaker 1: not like it? Okay? Uh, yeah, you know what I'm
44:14
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna go with true. What do you think?
44:17
Speaker 1: M surely our times up here, we really do? We
44:20
Speaker 1: have one minute and one second. Cool I'm just gonna
44:23
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think on that. I'm gonna I'm gonna have
44:24
Speaker 1: a good thing, have a thing. Those having a thing.
44:27
Speaker 1: How are you doing, Ben? You know I've been doing
44:30
Speaker 1: all right? Man. We we had a really great episode
44:33
Speaker 1: today and just between us, it's it's always good to
44:35
Speaker 1: see you, even though it's somewhat adversarial. No are you
44:41
Speaker 1: saying question? All right, So we've got got to the situation.
44:46
Speaker 1: We know how this is always resolved rochambo. We're gonna
44:49
Speaker 1: do one to three shoot all right, one to three shoot? Alright,
44:53
Speaker 1: so we have Mr B's got a rushed crushed misses.
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Speaker 1: So so we're going with true then yes to ahead,
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Speaker 1: ban you foodhead. I made it up, the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: The thing well, I didn't make up the satanic panic.
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Speaker 1: That actually happened, I'm aware of. That was it in
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Speaker 1: the attic though, by the way, happens to be my birthday.
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Speaker 1: That was. That was the hint I threw in there,
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Speaker 1: just to tip it off. Also, you could have there
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Speaker 1: were I was prepared for all sorts of questions because
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Speaker 1: there have been books titled the Necronomicon that were just
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Speaker 1: various hoaxes. There's of course the infamous Simon edition that
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Speaker 1: was published in the late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties,
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Speaker 1: but it only sold about eight thousand copies, so that
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Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have registered enough to be on a bandable.
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Speaker 1: There's also fan fiction Necronomicon. Sure in the early nineteen eighties.
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Speaker 1: That really wasn't such a big thing. And I shouldn't
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Speaker 1: have said anything about that pattern that I noticed, especially
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Speaker 1: because now he's probably gonna switch it up. I was
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Speaker 1: gonna say. I also had other books that were supposedly
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Speaker 1: banned in that same group, in case you asked me
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Speaker 1: that question, which included things like Satanic Versus by Salman Rushdie.
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Speaker 1: That's why I originally had the date set five. But
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Speaker 1: when I put that that little detail in, I realized
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Speaker 1: that book wasn't published, so I had to push it back. You, sir,
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Speaker 1: are a diabolical creature of the pit of the Abyss. Hartford,
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Speaker 1: Connecticut would ban me in an instant. You're an agent
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Speaker 1: of the dark. Well you know what I had fun
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Speaker 1: to me too, Yeah, to hey, you, what do you
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Speaker 1: think get out? That is the elder language that they
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Speaker 1: speak in the Methos. So thank you for coming on
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Speaker 1: again as always the things we were required to say. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you win the battle, but not the war will be back.
46:57
Speaker 1: We'll get you next time. I pretty you have a
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Speaker 1: really long true one for you next time. Death. But
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Speaker 1: time is but a window? Oh happy dagger. What's that
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Speaker 1: quote from Ghostbusters to my legion madam? To expostulate what
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Speaker 1: majesty should be? Why duty is? Why? Days, day, nine
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Speaker 1: nine a time? It is time? Were doing nothing but
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Speaker 1: the waste night, day and time. That's not in Ghostbusters too, Hamlet.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry speaking of that. I just want to bragged everybody.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to see sleep no More tomorrow and I
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Speaker 1: and I have stoked awesome. You know about this, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
47:26
Speaker 1: I've heard about this. Yeah, you know. It's like a
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Speaker 1: immersive experience where it's like Macbeth happening in different rooms
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Speaker 1: in this crazy like haunted house hotel kind of situation.
47:35
Speaker 1: Was a similar production that that started out in New
47:39
Speaker 1: York and got a lot of buzz. They don't get
47:41
Speaker 1: too familiar, quister. We can't just be talking theater with
47:44
Speaker 1: the quister. I'm shaking my fists at the two of you,
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Speaker 1: and now I'll be away by I just want to
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Speaker 1: say that I think he is doing a good job.
47:54
Speaker 1: He's doing a great show. You are not supposed to
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Speaker 1: be hearing that. Okay, I I retract, I retract that statment. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I do want to end with what I should have
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Speaker 1: said to him. Death is but a door, Time is
48:06
Speaker 1: but a window. I'll be back Ghostbusters to Vigo. It's
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Speaker 1: a great film. His name is Vigo. Wife. Do you baba? Well?
48:17
Speaker 1: Will we be able to come back from our crushing
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Speaker 1: defeat today, Volks, It's only one way to find out,
48:24
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48:36
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48:40
Speaker 1: Nixon may or may not have accidentally smuggled a weed
48:44
Speaker 1: for Louis Armstrong, an illegal weed, the drug marijana. Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's the one. That's the one. Um. But thanks to
48:52
Speaker 1: our super producer Casey Pegram, thanks to Alex Williams who
48:55
Speaker 1: composed our theme. Curses to Jonathan Strickland, the quister and
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49:03
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Speaker 1: Works dot Com and of course, as always, thanks so
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Speaker 1: much to you. We hope that you enjoyed this episode.
49:14
Speaker 1: We hope to hear your take on banned books as
49:18
Speaker 1: well as the dilemma of progress versus preservation. However you
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Speaker 1: approach that one one last question to end on here,
49:27
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Are there any books that you
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Speaker 1: feel should be banned? And why fascists? See you next time.