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22 Panels Episode #209 - Blue Wave · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good! Oh, you know what? I almost said good morning, because we normally record really early, but I didn't want to get up really early, and Phil decided that was okay, too.
• 0:15
  Tad Eggleston: I realize you're not a teacher and don't have a 5-year-old, so, like, we might talk about… recording…
• 0:23
  Tad Eggleston: At different times anyway. We don't have to stick to the 7 AM Saturday morning.
• 0:29
  Phil: I mean, it's, you know, I, I…
• 0:32
  Phil: 22 panels after dark, it's, you know…
• 0:35
  Tad Eggleston: Alright. It's a fun one.
• 0:36
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 0:37
  Tad Eggleston: Right, so, good, good evening, everybody. Welcome back to 22 Panels and the final episode of Season 5. This is episode…
• 0:49
  Tad Eggleston: Who… 109?
• 0:56
  Tad Eggleston: On November 9th, 2025.
• 0:59
  Tad Eggleston: It's not the 9th yet, but that's when I'll… I'll post it.
• 1:03
  Phil: Right, right.
• 1:04
  Phil: She's 4 years of work.
• 1:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, just because I feel like it, I need to… I need to say the words 6 and 7…
• 1:14
  Tad Eggleston: And then, hi, Nate.
• 1:19
  Tad Eggleston: But, before we get into, new to order and… and the week that was, Phil, I think you've got a,
• 1:29
  Phil: Yeah!
• 1:29
  Tad Eggleston: news.
• 1:30
  Phil: Just a little personal news near and dear to my heart. This week, on November 5th, my parents celebrated their 37th wedding anniversary. Hi mom, hi dad, if you're listening, love you both, and congratulations on 37 wonderful years of marriage. I wouldn't be here without it.
• 1:49
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm just sitting 37 years and Phil.
• 1:55
  Tad Eggleston: I would have thought that, like…
• 1:56
  Tad Eggleston: 20 years of fill, and they would have been ready to, like, move.
• 2:00
  Tad Eggleston: I'm just sayin'.
• 2:04
  Phil: me?
• 2:04
  Phil: Oh… No, no, no, they… Hats off to him.
• 2:11
  Phil: Where do you think I get this from, Tad?
• 2:13
  Tad Eggleston: That doesn't mean that they like to see it reflected back. You know, I will have you know that I'm on a pretty good terms with my parents these days. I know you are, I know you are. That's what makes it funny.
• 2:25
  Phil: Wouldn't be funny?
• 2:28
  Tad Eggleston: It's funny if you, like, beat them.
• 2:31
  Phil: You know, yeah, right? I was gonna say, you know, about, almost, well, almost 20 years ago, they, they're the ones that, they're the ones that moved out of state, and, and I stayed, so, you know…
• 2:41
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 2:42
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, happy anniversary, Phil's parents, and A couple of,
• 2:53
  Tad Eggleston: Couple more options in… in digital comics coming.
• 2:58
  Tad Eggleston: Very soon, a sweet shop.
• 3:00
  Tad Eggleston: is in beta. Sweet Shop…
• 3:04
  Tad Eggleston: is tied to… I forget the… the name of…
• 3:09
  Tad Eggleston: The… the other app, but there's… there's an app that is, like, a creator… Marketing slash sales app.
• 3:21
  Tad Eggleston: That's been going for a little while, so… so… It already has comics… Roots?
• 3:30
  Tad Eggleston: But Sweet Shop is the next digital comic.
• 3:35
  Tad Eggleston: provider, and it's in beta right now, and I think they're kicking off with 24 publishers, including most of the big ones.
• 3:43
  Tad Eggleston: Similarly, Inky Pen.
• 3:47
  Tad Eggleston: is launching via Steam on November 18th.
• 3:51
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know…
• 3:54
  Phil: What can't you get on Steam these days?
• 3:56
  Tad Eggleston: The… Sweet Shop… includes… Image, Kadansha, Phantographics, Starcourse, IDW, Manga… Mavericks, Ignition Press, Panic.
• 4:09
  Tad Eggleston: Mission Press are one reason that I'll jump in almost immediately, because,
• 4:16
  Tad Eggleston: Ignition press is one of the ones that I would be reading more of, except that
• 4:24
  Tad Eggleston: They're not really available digitally anywhere yet.
• 4:26
  Phil: Hmm.
• 4:28
  Tad Eggleston: They, they're, they're,
• 4:33
  Tad Eggleston: Kenny Myers and his tech company do them. They also have a… the other app is called Bindings, which is a marketing tool for creators, and they've got a Find Your Comic Store, a tool for finding physical comic shops, so,
• 4:47
  Tad Eggleston: It'll be… interesting to… to play with. I'm looking forward to playing with.
• 4:57
  Tad Eggleston: They got some… Kelly Sue DeConnick says nice things.
• 5:04
  Tad Eggleston: for them.
• 5:07
  Tad Eggleston: About them, so, it'll be… Really, really…
• 5:14
  Tad Eggleston: Interesting to see how it is.
• 5:17
  Tad Eggleston: I have high hopes.
• 5:21
  Tad Eggleston: It's the one that I've kind of been watching for for a while, and it looks like they're putting a high emphasis on getting the,
• 5:29
  Tad Eggleston: Sword I'm looking for with,
• 5:37
  Tad Eggleston: Metadata.
• 5:39
  Tad Eggleston: Down, to help you find what you want to read, and… That sort of thing.
• 5:47
  Tad Eggleston: So… I'm looking forward to that.
• 5:50
  Tad Eggleston: Inkypen, a small Norwegian-based company.
• 5:56
  Tad Eggleston: It's been selling comics on Nintendo Switch.
• 5:59
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 6:01
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 6:02
  Tad Eggleston: And, carries publishers like Dark Horse, IDW, Cadansha, and Dynamite.
• 6:07
  Tad Eggleston: So… yeah.
• 6:11
  Tad Eggleston: Since… since Amazon essentially gave up comics…
• 6:17
  Phil: Haha, or killed it so hard.
• 6:20
  Tad Eggleston: Right, we've had lots, lots of,
• 6:26
  Tad Eggleston: Lots of people step into the fold.
• 6:30
  Phil: Well, I just joined the, Sweet Shop waitlist, so we'll see.
• 6:34
  Tad Eggleston: too.
• 6:34
  Phil: See how long until… until we get a… get a look inside.
• 6:39
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah.
• 6:41
  Tad Eggleston: What kind of weekends it been? Well,
• 6:44
  Tad Eggleston: We currently have flags at half-mast for a war criminal.
• 6:50
  Phil: Once again…
• 6:52
  Tad Eggleston: Though one of the great tweets from Wednesday was, democrat Socialist for…
• 7:00
  Tad Eggleston: For Mayor of New York, Dick Cheney says, over my dead body…
• 7:09
  Phil: Oh.
• 7:10
  Tad Eggleston: It also brought, Brought… brought Matt Boers.
• 7:19
  Tad Eggleston: Out of semi-retirement, in terms of political cartoons.
• 7:23
  Phil: That was a good one, yeah.
• 7:25
  Tad Eggleston: Fantastic, A fantastic, .
• 7:30
  Phil: Definitive chaining hell.
• 7:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we call it a memorial cartoon?
• 7:34
  Phil: Yeah.
• 7:35
  Tad Eggleston: Spencer Ackerman has become the king of writing the obituaries of horrible people.
• 7:42
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 7:43
  Tad Eggleston: his obituary of Henry Kissinger was outstanding.
• 7:48
  Phil: stealing.
• 7:48
  Tad Eggleston: in Rolling Stone, and he did the… the obituary in,
• 7:54
  Tad Eggleston: in the nation for Mr. Cheney, and .
• 7:59
  Phil: Just incredible.
• 8:00
  Tad Eggleston: Mine was, Dick Cheney's looking up on the world that he wrought, and…
• 8:06
  Tad Eggleston: Just the subtle. Looking up, right?
• 8:12
  Phil: Oh… At least.
• 8:15
  Tad Eggleston: So, but, but we'll get, we'll get into all of that, and specifically a, a…
• 8:21
  Tad Eggleston: We did some partying like it was 2012 in, maybe even 2008.
• 8:27
  Phil: On Tuesday.
• 8:31
  Tad Eggleston: So, we'll, we'll chat about that some.
• 8:34
  Tad Eggleston: More… in a… in a more hopeful blue wave edition of,
• 8:41
  Tad Eggleston: Great responsibility in a little bit.
• 8:44
  Tad Eggleston: But first, let's talk some new-to-order comics.
• 8:49
  Tad Eggleston: Astro Quantum.
• 8:52
  Tad Eggleston: From Andrea Moody and Arturo Fabra at Mad Cave.
• 9:00
  Tad Eggleston: Cast out to die on the toxic world of mock…
• 9:03
  Tad Eggleston: Young Ishmael finds an unlikely ally in the sharp-tongued Solomite exile Queekeg.
• 9:14
  Tad Eggleston: Together, they claw their way through underground bazaars, brutal creatures of the galaxy, and bitter rivalries to chase a destiny bigger than either imagined, a place aboard the legendary molloch-hunting starship Pequod.
• 9:31
  Tad Eggleston: An all-new epic space saga of survival, rebellion, and hunger to reach beyond the stars starts here. And I'm just going out on a limb.
• 9:43
  Tad Eggleston: And saying that they're adapting Moby Dick to space.
• 9:48
  Phil: Hmm…
• 9:49
  Phil: I think I need a few more clues before I'm gonna walk into that one.
• 9:52
  Tad Eggleston: We'll see.
• 9:55
  Tad Eggleston: But, Andrea Moody's art is just outstanding.
• 10:00
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 10:00
  Tad Eggleston: I like… I like me a good sci-fi book, so… I'm on board.
• 10:06
  Phil: It sounds great.
• 10:07
  Tad Eggleston: I'm definitely on board.
• 10:09
  Phil: Alright, next up, we've got Malevolent from Justin Jordan, John Bevins, and Felipe Sabrero.
• 10:16
  Phil: 30 years ago, we unleashed demons into the world, but humans can adapt to anything, even a demon-haunted world. But now, humanity has created something new, a weapon that can kill demons, if she doesn't kill us first. New ongoing series, Justin Jordan, John Bevins, all those same people.
• 10:34
  Phil: in stores, January 28th. This one from… Image. Image.
• 10:41
  Tad Eggleston: I suppose I should have said that, January 28th as well, for Astro Quantum, for Mad Cave.
• 10:50
  Phil: It's 22 panels after dark. Tad, Tad's my.
• 10:52
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he drinks. Yeah, you know.
• 10:54
  Phil: He's throwing them back.
• 10:56
  Phil: Alright, now…
• 10:57
  Tad Eggleston: I don't drink.
• 10:58
  Phil: Oh, you don't? Okay, that's a fun…
• 11:00
  Tad Eggleston: won't.
• 11:00
  Phil: Neither do I, believe it or not.
• 11:05
  Phil: There we go. This is Otter Squad from Matt, Fife and Matt Rogers.
• 11:12
  Phil: You've met Slaughter, now meet his Otter Squad, Blastquake, Shadow Vault, and Scrapyard, deep in the heart of the co…
• 11:21
  Phil: Cozelit's Rainforest Slaughter leads the Otter Squad, an assault on the blood-worshipping terrorist cult known as Leech. But before the otters can strike, they're swarmed by the dreaded High Lord Odexem. Grab a chute and prepare to…
• 11:36
  Phil: jump in this all-new series that fans of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and G.I. Joe are sure to enjoy. And that is…
• 11:44
  Phil: In stores, January 28th, from, Keen Spot.
• 11:54
  Tad Eggleston: This is from a couple of, I mean, I don't know how long they've been doing stuff.
• 12:00
  Tad Eggleston: in… in…
• 12:06
  Tad Eggleston: Europe, but this is… this is the third series that I've seen in the United States from Francesco Pirillo and Stefano Cardicelli.
• 12:15
  Tad Eggleston: Where Does the Rainbow End? I really like their other two series, Love Me, a Romance Story and Long Cold Winter. Gilda has been abandoned by her parents, but fortunately, she's been discovered at the Kakachi Brothers robot dump.
• 12:34
  Tad Eggleston: And has been raised by the robots who discovered her. She was lucky to be found in the Rainbow Sector by robots that cared for her. However, she has also been shielded from the outside world, other humans, and from a dangerous section of their robot world called the Dark Cage, where the most hostile of robots live.
• 12:54
  Tad Eggleston: Word is spread about her ability to fix robots, though, and one vicious robot from the Dark Cage wants her to repair all of the violent robots that live there, and nothing will stop him.
• 13:06
  Tad Eggleston: This is coming from Mad Cave Comics.
• 13:10
  Tad Eggleston: on… January 14th.
• 13:14
  Tad Eggleston: I just, I love, I love Perillo's art style.
• 13:21
  Tad Eggleston: And, or you mean.
• 13:24
  Phil: Carvin, Sally starts to say.
• 13:26
  Tad Eggleston: Cardicelli's art style, and Perillo's got, both… Both sweet and… and… Kinda satirical.
• 13:40
  Phil: style of writing.
• 13:42
  Tad Eggleston: That… that is really… Really cool.
• 13:45
  Tad Eggleston: So… Yeah.
• 13:53
  Tad Eggleston: Here you go.
• 13:53
  Phil: Next up, we've got Breakthrough Life on the Brink from Christopher Fink. Christopher Fink has just awoken in the desert, so disoriented, the first person he sees is his own fictional character. What is reality?
• 14:08
  Phil: What does an eco-feminist movement from the future and a long-abandoned but never-forgotten indie comic Leopold and Brink have to do with his predicament?
• 14:18
  Phil: From this science fiction framework emerges a metafictional memoir as epic and intimate as life itself. Embarking in earnest within the onset of the 2020 lockdown, Sphink's years-long journey of graphic healing hit an unexpected detour when he received a brain cancer diagnosis midway through constructing this book.
• 14:37
  Phil: Not to be deterred, the tragedy and comedy of life become tools to break new liberative ground. A lifetime of drawing conjures fresh and playful visual expressions.
• 14:47
  Phil: To complement his stream of consciousness style, Vonnegut-esque slipstreams of memory weave together, tumultuous youth romantic misadventures, and the looping pathways of a working artist, a tapestry of loss and longing.
• 15:01
  Phil: Buoyed to the ephemera of yesteryear. This is an ode to the comics, film, and TV that raised him, and the adults who didn't. A saga of catharsis and reconciliation, Breakthrough Life on the Brink is a story to live by. In stores, April 15th.
• 15:16
  Phil: From… oh, yeah, Phantographics, that's it. I don't know why FU threw me off.
• 15:23
  Tad Eggleston: Because it's technically Fanographics Underground, but it's all Fanographics.
• 15:28
  Phil: Oh, yeah. No, that sounds magnificent. I really want to read that.
• 15:31
  Tad Eggleston: It does.
• 15:33
  Tad Eggleston: The credits roll into the Sea, Volume 1 from John Terrakine.
• 15:39
  Tad Eggleston: At Dark Horse Manga.
• 15:43
  Tad Eggleston: It's not the movies you like. You like watching the people watching the movies. Just, what are you going to do with the rest of your life? It's the question you'll always have to answer, no matter your age. Miko Chino is a 65-year-old retired woman in mourning for her late husband.
• 16:00
  Tad Eggleston: Remembering how they used to watch films together, Imiko goes to the movie theater for the first time in years, where she meets Kai.
• 16:07
  Tad Eggleston: An attractive, ambiguous young man who studies filmmaking at a nearby art school. They would seem to have nothing in common except for this. Both of them sometimes like to look more at the way the audience reacts to a movie than the movie itself.
• 16:22
  Tad Eggleston: Kai believes Emiko has the same deep desire he possesses to experience how people respond to something they made, and challenges her to stake the rest of her life discovering that thrill.
• 16:32
  Tad Eggleston: Soon, Amiko surprises herself by enrolling in the same film school as Kai, but sailing into this new sea, she's suddenly, inside the currents of her fellow students' lives, a much younger generation that she struggles to understand, driven by their own passions and their own relationships. Who's really experienced it, life?
• 16:51
  Tad Eggleston: And is it old age or observation that brings wisdom? And does what you're looking for change when you look with your eyes instead of through a camera lens?
• 17:02
  Tad Eggleston: This is from, again, Dark Horse Manga and In Stores on… April 21st.
• 17:16
  Phil: All right, next up we have Hunger from Niharika Neji and Joe Borcado, covered by Bill Sienkiewicz. In 1896, Bombay, under British rule, a concentration camp holds Izna, a plague-infected and famine-stricken being.
• 17:35
  Phil: Mutated through medical experiments, she, along with others, becomes a mutant. British officers invite famine photographer William Wallace Hooper to document the mutants, unaware, he's controlled by a shape-shifting vampire called Pisach.
• 17:49
  Phil: The Pisach infects prey with insatiable hunger, while Hooper bonds with Isna amidst rulers, games with famine slaves, unbeknownst to…
• 17:59
  Phil: Unbeknownst, Izna descends from women embracing monsters. Discovering Hooper's role in her mother's death, she wishes to become a monster herself.
• 18:08
  Phil: transformed into a half-human, half-mutant, half-beast, she embraces her hunger, consuming oppressors and drenching her land and blood. This infinite hunger mirrors trauma's generational and cultural impact, forging an inseparable link between oppressed and oppressor. In stores, January 7th.
• 18:30
  Tad Eggleston: There's another one from LabPress.
• 18:32
  Phil: Lab Press. There we go.
• 18:37
  Tad Eggleston: Mary Shelley, from Alessandro de Vigilio and Manuela Santoni. The extraordinary life of the woman who created one of fiction's most enduring characters, Frankenstein's monster. Born at the turn of the 19th century to the famous philosopher Mary Wilsoncraft.
• 18:54
  Tad Eggleston: Forerunner of the feminist movement. And William Godwin, novelist and radical politician. Mary Shelley.
• 19:02
  Tad Eggleston: lived a life in constant flight from social conformity. Her struggle birthed a pop culture phenomenon. Now in print for the first time in English, Mary Shelley, The Eternal Dream chronicles Shelley's relationships with other important artists and writers, including her eventual
• 19:19
  Tad Eggleston: eventual husband, Percy Shelley, and the butterfly effect of love, hardship, tragedy, and inspiration that led to the creation of the infamous monster. This is also from Mad Cave, and.
• 19:32
  Phil: Oh, wow.
• 19:32
  Tad Eggleston: the Beko Gallo imprint.
• 19:35
  Tad Eggleston: In stores on… January 14th.
• 19:50
  Phil: Alright, next up, we got… Sorry. Oh, that's okay. Essensia from John Dolmayan and Tony Parker and Blonde?
• 20:01
  Phil: It is 150 years in the future. The city of Ascensia towers above its sister city, Bethany, in perpetual dominance. In the city of immortals, power resides in Ascendia, coveted by all but accessible to few.
• 20:17
  Phil: This is the story of what one would do to become immortal, and who they would abandon.
• 20:22
  Phil: who they would betray, and ultimately what price they would pay to remain in Asensia. In stores, January 7th.
• 20:31
  Phil: From… Wake?
• 20:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Wake Entertainment.
• 20:37
  Phil: Alright.
• 20:42
  Tad Eggleston: You know I gotta talk love and rockets when I get the opportunity, and I get the opportunity now. Locas, the Maggie and Hopi Stories is… is being, reprinted?
• 20:54
  Tad Eggleston: Jaime Hernandez is one of the most humane, graceful, and imaginatively inexhaustible artists in American popular culture. Locust tells the story of Maggie Chescarillo, a bisexual Mexican-American woman attempting to define herself in a community rife with class, race, and gender issues.
• 21:13
  Tad Eggleston: Maggie's story begins in the early 1980s Southern California rock scene.
• 21:18
  Tad Eggleston: when it was shifting from the excesses of the 1970s to the gritty basics of punk and new wave. Hardcore punk rock came to the fore, and the teenage Maggie finds herself drawn to the anarchy, energy, and diversity of the scene.
• 21:32
  Tad Eggleston: Which, in Jaime's hands, become a very real, habitable place, populated with authentic human beings rather than stereotypes. She quickly befriends Hopi Glass, a feisty, anti-authoritarian punkett.
• 21:45
  Tad Eggleston: who quickly becomes Maggie's on-again, off-again lover, and a constant presence in her life as they navigate a devastatingly natural world. Created over 15 years from 1981 to 1996 in the pages of the legendary comic book series Love and Rockets.
• 22:02
  Tad Eggleston: Volume 1, numbers 1 to 50, this new deluxe hardcover edition includes 3 stories that were not included in the previous edition.
• 22:12
  Tad Eggleston: This is in stores on January 21st.
• 22:17
  Phil: From Fanta Graphics, I have already pre-ordered my copy.
• 22:21
  Phil: Nice.
• 22:29
  Phil: Final order cut.
• 22:31
  Tad Eggleston: Oof…
• 22:33
  Tad Eggleston: Let me scroll down… Not a lot of them this week. We got Barbaric, The Long Death No. 1 from Michael Maurici, Nathan Gooden at Vault Comics, out on December 17th. Groupitties from Helen Millan and Tula Mo…
• 22:49
  Tad Eggleston: Lotte at Mad Cave, out on December 17th. The new Space Age number 1 from Kenny Porter, Mike Bloom.
• 22:56
  Tad Eggleston: Becker at Mad Cave on December 17th, Red Before Black from Stephanie Phillips and Gordon Suzuka at Boom Comics on December 17th, and Wrestle Heist No. 1 from Kyle Starks at Image Comics on December 17th.
• 23:13
  Tad Eggleston: Crowdfunding right now, we have Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees, a storytelling game from Hunters Entertainment on Kickstarter through November 12th.
• 23:21
  Tad Eggleston: A1 Deadline Special, edited by Dave Elliott, with work from Steve Dillon, Brett Ewens, Gary Leach, Steve Pugh, Shaky Kane, Alan Martin, Jamie Hewlett, Ilya Dave Gibbons, Roald Marcellius, Chloe McVeil, Allison Sampson, Rufus Daklow.
• 23:38
  Tad Eggleston: Glenn Fabry, Umar Dida, Keck W, Dan Whitehead, Kathy Kwan, Gloria Cayley.
• 23:45
  Tad Eggleston: Mark Shea, Laura Martin, Eric Donovan, Evan Dorkin, Alice Pasquini, Matt Hardy, Peter Milligan, P.J. Holden, Robin Jones, Lucy Sullivan, and Dave Elliott.
• 23:58
  Tad Eggleston: At Kickstarter through November.
• 24:00
  Tad Eggleston: Number 12, and witching Season.
• 24:04
  Tad Eggleston: A witch horror comic anthology, edited by Kat Calamia, Phil Falco, and Michelle…
• 24:10
  Tad Eggleston: Aubinator with Work From Heather Antos, Alex Segura, Chrissy Williams, Tilly and Susan Bridges, David Bohr, Dan Parent, Stephanie Williams, Miranda Munt, Bailey Rosenblund.
• 24:21
  Tad Eggleston: Paulina Ganachu, Philip Sevey, Jadzia Axelrod, Rye Hickman, Mark Abnett, Francis Stokes, Andrea Daly, August Kanakis, Lauren Knight, Piper Whitaker, and more at Lifeline Comics on Kickstarter through November 13th.
• 24:34
  Tad Eggleston: Tom the Dancy Bug from Ruben Bowling at Clover Press on Kickstarter through November 20th. Check out our… my interview with Ruben Bowling.
• 24:42
  Tad Eggleston: on the interwebs already. We forgot to do our whip earlier.
• 24:49
  Phil: Oh, no!
• 24:50
  Tad Eggleston: How to Draw 2026 from Carrie Moore at Abstract Studio, also on Kickstarter through November 28th, and also check out my interview and discussion,
• 25:03
  Tad Eggleston: Matt and I talked to Terry Moore just the other night, by the time this is on… on…
• 25:10
  Tad Eggleston: On your podcast services, so will that be.
• 25:15
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 25:16
  Phil: Is that the, fourth time, or fifth?
• 25:18
  Tad Eggleston: Third. Third time for Terry Moore.
• 25:21
  Phil: Right.
• 25:22
  Tad Eggleston: So, it was a hard week for Major League Books. I'm gonna… I'm gonna say that right off the top, because…
• 25:29
  Tad Eggleston: White House Robot Romance? Really good. Star Trek Red Sharks? Really, really good.
• 25:36
  Tad Eggleston: Planet Death number 2, really, really good. Ice Cream Man, Mortar Coil Shuffle? Fucking amazing.
• 25:45
  Tad Eggleston: Batman number 3, Birds of Prairie number 27, amazing. Didn't even get to Cheshire Rob… er, Cheetah and Cheshire Rob the Justice League number 4, but based on the first 3, it's amazing.
• 25:57
  Tad Eggleston: That sort of thing. Honestly, the one that will probably stick with me the longest…
• 26:05
  Tad Eggleston: Is Arkrum's tales of Paranoia?
• 26:09
  Tad Eggleston: The largest harmful mentions.
• 26:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, in large part because I don't know… if…
• 26:21
  Tad Eggleston: What I wrote to a friend of mine today is, like, It's… Thoughtful, nuanced, And dryly secu- satirical.
• 26:36
  Tad Eggleston: Except that I don't know if it's intended to be nuanced or dryly securical, and if it's not…
• 26:44
  Phil: It's…
• 26:44
  Tad Eggleston: It's thoughtful, informative, though not necessarily of the things that, the… the… That he was… Intending…
• 27:01
  Tad Eggleston: And very, very sad. Either way, it's really good, and it strikes at the heart of the meaning of trust and belief in society.
• 27:13
  Tad Eggleston: And I don't know if I care what Crum intended.
• 27:17
  Tad Eggleston: Y-you know, cause…
• 27:20
  Tad Eggleston: I think what he might… I think he might… might have accomplished more than he intended, and or, like…
• 27:28
  Tad Eggleston: argue with what I take from it.
• 27:30
  Phil: Hmm.
• 27:35
  Tad Eggleston: Because, like, part of what I take from it is there's a… I mean, this is one that you and I might want to read together and, like, dive into at some point, because…
• 27:43
  Phil: Sure. We could. I'm already compelled, from what you.
• 27:46
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, because really, you know, so much of what he lays out is, like.
• 27:58
  Tad Eggleston: you're making incredibly strong arguments that I don't disagree with except where you're applying them.
• 28:05
  Tad Eggleston: And I think the arguments that you… No.
• 28:11
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, just to give you…
• 28:14
  Tad Eggleston: The perfect example, like, in a nutshell, is like…
• 28:19
  Tad Eggleston: at least he's portraying himself as being COVID vaccine
• 28:25
  Tad Eggleston: Resistant, in large part, because, you know.
• 28:28
  Tad Eggleston: Pfizer has a long track record of fraud. They've paid lots of money in fines for fraud.
• 28:36
  Phil: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Tad Eggleston: And it's like, you know, how do you balance, like, oh, this company is a really horrible company with…
• 28:49
  Tad Eggleston: believe the science. And, like, for me, I tend to, like, separate the two and, like, continue to watch the evidence. Like, I… in hindsight, I feel completely confident having taken the… the vaccines, because I am not dead.
• 29:05
  Phil: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Tad Eggleston: and COVID has slowed down significantly, and, you know, so there's a ton of evidence now. And yes, we were kind of guinea pigs, but that's kind of the nature of vaccines.
• 29:21
  Phil: Well, I mean, new vaccines, sure.
• 29:26
  Tad Eggleston: That's what I meant. That's what I meant.
• 29:27
  Phil: I had a feeling, but I just wanted to clarify.
• 29:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of the nature of a new vac… particularly an emergency new vaccine, that's kind of the.
• 29:35
  Phil: nature of the beast. But it was also miraculous because of the new technology that it was developed, both in how it was developed in research and what it actually was of the RNA-type vaccine.
• 29:47
  Tad Eggleston: Right, so it wasn't actually really new technology. They'd been working on it for more than a decade, it just had.
• 29:53
  Tad Eggleston: Now they had…
• 29:55
  Phil: the perfect chance.
• 29:56
  Tad Eggleston: Something to truly apply it towards.
• 29:58
  Phil: Okay, interesting.
• 30:00
  Tad Eggleston: You know, they'd been working on it, I mean, like… and that's the thing, is like…
• 30:06
  Tad Eggleston: COVID-19 wasn't as big of a surprise to people who study this stuff as it felt like to the rest of the world. Right. I mean, that's one of the reasons that, like, you need to trust scientists, because, like…
• 30:20
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 30:21
  Tad Eggleston: So much of science is a lifetime commitment.
• 30:25
  Phil: Part of it…
• 30:26
  Tad Eggleston: That doesn't mean that there aren't bad scientists, or scientists that have been…
• 30:31
  Tad Eggleston: You know, and that's where it got really interesting reading, is like, okay, like.
• 30:38
  Tad Eggleston: If nothing else, this is making me think very, very differently about your average conspiracy theorist.
• 30:45
  Phil: Hmm.
• 30:46
  Tad Eggleston: It doesn't mean they're stupid.
• 30:49
  Phil: Yeah, that's… I mean…
• 30:51
  Tad Eggleston: has.
• 30:52
  Phil: Any more to do with…
• 30:53
  Tad Eggleston: trust, then…
• 30:58
  Tad Eggleston: Has way more to do with trust than intelligence.
• 31:02
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, you can use their same arguments in a… like, if you took the exact same argument and applied it to the banking system, you and I would be cheering it.
• 31:15
  Phil: Wait, which… which argument?
• 31:17
  Tad Eggleston: If we took the exact same argument that Crum was making about why he didn't trust the pharmaceutical companies.
• 31:23
  Phil: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, okay.
• 31:24
  Tad Eggleston: Applied it to the banking system.
• 31:27
  Phil: Yes.
• 31:29
  Phil: Right.
• 31:29
  Tad Eggleston: Now, my problem is it was… I mean, one of… one of the differences is it was, like, a financial argument being used to refute science.
• 31:41
  Phil: Yeah, yeah…
• 31:43
  Tad Eggleston: And that's where it gets, like, if you can't come up with a better scientific argument.
• 31:49
  Tad Eggleston: I feel like you're starting into straw man territory.
• 31:53
  Phil: Right.
• 31:53
  Tad Eggleston: But… It's an awfully good straw man.
• 31:59
  Phil: I don't know, well, just because it's compelling. I mean, I… yeah, it can be compelling.
• 32:04
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it doesn't convince me!
• 32:06
  Phil: Right, right. But it'll convince some people.
• 32:10
  Tad Eggleston: But I could understand why it would both convince some people and give a lot of people pause.
• 32:21
  Tad Eggleston: You know… And that's one of the reasons I don't know if it was supposed to be…
• 32:30
  Tad Eggleston: Like, it could be a really dry satire. He could be using himself as the way to…
• 32:36
  Tad Eggleston: Really challenge the way… challenge both the conspiracy theorists and the people who completely dismiss them as cranks.
• 32:45
  Phil: Hmm.
• 32:47
  Tad Eggleston: Because he does generally lay out the pretty good arguments against the conspiracy theorists, too.
• 32:53
  Phil: Yeah.
• 32:55
  Phil: Oh, I feel like this is a, you know, instead of.
• 32:59
  Tad Eggleston: I do, I do feel like it's gonna be a great responsibility all on its own at some point.
• 33:03
  Phil: Okay, alright.
• 33:04
  Tad Eggleston: But, there were 3 books that weren't as…
• 33:10
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe won't stay with me in their individuality as much.
• 33:14
  Tad Eggleston: But were so much more fun. And frankly, all of them also had,
• 33:26
  Tad Eggleston: Crum's art is crumb's art. It's good art, it's revolutionary art, but, like, it's not groundbreaking art anymore. Right. And it's not… not particularly…
• 33:41
  Tad Eggleston: Creative beyond, like, developing it to begin with?
• 33:45
  Phil: Yeah, I know, yeah, I know of Crum, and I've seen a fair amount of his art, but…
• 33:52
  Phil: or read a whole book of his.
• 33:53
  Tad Eggleston: Right, so particularly, particularly sort of crisis events number 6 from Dennis Camp and Eris Zawitski, and Space Scouts number 1 from Matt… Matt Kent and David Rubin, like, make the list.
• 34:06
  Phil: instead of crumb, just because not only do they have great stories, but, like, the art is… Oh.
• 34:13
  Tad Eggleston: Fantastic, and creative, and… and, like, just blows up the medium.
• 34:19
  Phil: I gotta read that SpaceX. I love David Rubin, he's great.
• 34:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, well, so's Matt Kent.
• 34:26
  Phil: They work together a lot, yeah.
• 34:27
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 34:28
  Tad Eggleston: And then Death Dog number 1 from Bryce Ingman and Allen Robinson is not only a…
• 34:34
  Tad Eggleston: a wonderful satirical story in the way Bryce is quite good at. You can tell why he and Mark Russell have been friends for a long, long, long, long time. Their humor…
• 34:50
  Tad Eggleston: Compliments each other very much.
• 34:53
  Tad Eggleston: But as an added bonus,
• 34:57
  Tad Eggleston: The dog is able to speak, or the mechanical dog is able to speak with a…
• 35:06
  Tad Eggleston: A language of a hundred or so words, but he's fixated on the word of… word potato.
• 35:13
  Tad Eggleston: To the extent, even, that, like, the scientists that designed him and programmed him are pretty certain that it's, like, a sign of his level of intelligence, that he, like, uses the one word to mean different things, depending on context clues.
• 35:29
  Phil: Oh my goodness.
• 35:31
  Tad Eggleston: But of course, my dog is named Potato, so, like… That… that just, like…
• 35:39
  Phil: That is pretty great.
• 35:40
  Tad Eggleston: It was so wonderful. I immediately sent a picture of Potato to Bryce, so that, like, I could thank him. And it wasn't on purpose, but he was very happy that he had honored my good boy that way.
• 35:53
  Phil: That's great.
• 35:55
  Phil: That's kind of like, in, Vision, when Tom King named the dog Sparky, that's what I always name my, electronic devices, like, when I can name an iPod or the PlayStation, I always call it Sparky.
• 36:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:08
  Tad Eggleston: So you name all of your electronic devices after, after, Charles.
• 36:15
  Phil: No.
• 36:15
  Tad Eggleston: too.
• 36:16
  Phil: No, I didn't know it was after Charles Schultz, that was just because, you know, it's an electronic device, so the name's Sparky, anyway.
• 36:23
  Tad Eggleston: I'm just messing with you, man.
• 36:25
  Phil: Well, I mean, it coulda, it coulda. I do like Charles Schultz, I do like peanuts. I think it should have ended with him.
• 36:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, it did, for the most part.
• 36:35
  Phil: Yeah.
• 36:36
  Phil: Yeah, that's true.
• 36:39
  Phil: But yeah, I also very much enjoyed Sword of Crisis events. I thought it was thoughtful, heartbreaking. I definitely teared up at one point or another. Yeah. Continues to be just a book where every single issue, I'm like, I want everyone I know to read this.
• 36:57
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, so, like, we'll… I'm gonna spoil it a little bit here.
• 37:02
  Phil: Yes.
• 37:02
  Tad Eggleston: Like, assorted Crisis Events deals with, like, temporal issues, and so, essentially, this issue had,
• 37:10
  Tad Eggleston: a version of Alzheimer's where, like, you actually physically change to the different points in your life.
• 37:17
  Phil: Yeah.
• 37:19
  Phil: Oscillating between, you know, middle age, young, old…
• 37:23
  Tad Eggleston: having… worked dementia units for as long as I did. I know that, like.
• 37:30
  Tad Eggleston: The phenomena of kind of sliding…
• 37:33
  Tad Eggleston: between different places in your life is not actually something that doesn't happen already, but you're always looking at the same old person. I don't know how much more devastating it would become
• 37:46
  Tad Eggleston: If, like, you came in one day, and your husband was 6.
• 37:50
  Tad Eggleston: And didn't remember you, and was scared because his mommy wasn't there.
• 37:55
  Phil: Yeah, I think the line of,
• 37:58
  Phil: he never wanted… I always wanted kids, but he never did. I guess we both got what we wanted, like, holy shit.
• 38:04
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Right.
• 38:07
  Phil: Yeah.
• 38:11
  Tad Eggleston: And, and…
• 38:12
  Phil: Mignificant.
• 38:13
  Tad Eggleston: the… the… the… The drawer with the pamphlet for the… Oof.
• 38:19
  Phil: Yeah… Yeah, repeat this.
• 38:23
  Tad Eggleston: And, and the, the, the… balancing.
• 38:29
  Tad Eggleston: 2.
• 38:32
  Tad Eggleston: I promise to take care of him, but it's so hard.
• 38:35
  Phil: Yeah.
• 38:36
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 38:38
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 38:39
  Phil: I'm so glad this series has kept going.
• 38:41
  Tad Eggleston: Absolutely brilliant. Yeah. Absolutely brilliant. So much. But it's so heartbreaking.
• 38:46
  Phil: Yeah, ugh.
• 38:47
  Phil: It's great. It's great, though.
• 38:51
  Phil: also was what was a great time. Strange Tales, number one, from Jeremy Whitley, Bailey Underwood, Jim Campbell, and Joe Karamonga at Marvel. That was, some of the younger,
• 39:07
  Phil: Well, I guess a couple young Avengers and a couple of runaways, playing a, a role-playing game that they get sucked into, and, you know, the Scarlet Witch gets involved.
• 39:20
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, die in the Marvel universe is what you're saying?
• 39:23
  Phil: Tiny, tiny bit. Tiny, tiny bit, only it's, you know, it's more like, the Marvel Universe and a bunch of, fantasy, like, goblins and dragons wrapped up, so…
• 39:32
  Phil: Yeah, it was a good time. I think it's gonna be, like, a four-issue miniseries or something, but I am… I'm loving the art, I'm very excited. And then I finally got my hands on Good Devils Don't Play Fair with Evil from Nick Dragata and David Brothers. I actually, yeah, I… I did… I forgot to pre-order this one, so I asked my shop, hey, you know, can I get one? They ordered a few more copies.
• 39:53
  Phil: And, apparently all those copies got snatched off the rack, and so, waited a bit of a couple weeks. I asked them again, like, hey, did that ever, turn up? And they're like, dang, guess we'll have to order a few more, and I was, you know, so I'm glad that,
• 40:06
  Phil: helped move a few issues, so… so yeah, and I also did pick up the… the Mortal Coil Shuffle. I have yet to read it myself. Yeah, exactly.
• 40:15
  Tad Eggleston: Good.
• 40:16
  Phil: Yeah, I, I…
• 40:17
  Tad Eggleston: And just, like, a comic book is a deck of cards. Flip turrets.
• 40:20
  Phil: Yeah, holy crap. I'm… I mean, of course I'm gonna… I'm gonna shuffle it eventually, you know? Probably immediately after I read it once, you know? .
• 40:30
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't yet.
• 40:32
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 40:33
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't yet.
• 40:35
  Phil: I absolutely love…
• 40:37
  Tad Eggleston: And for that matter, what I haven't decided is whether I want to shuffle it, or whether I want to more deliberately reorder it.
• 40:42
  Phil: Oh… figure out a way to, play it with friends. Right. Yeah. Right, right.
• 40:51
  Tad Eggleston: That'd be interesting.
• 40:54
  Tad Eggleston: Peel out the cards, and people have to decide.
• 40:57
  Tad Eggleston: What grade to put on top of the…
• 40:59
  Phil: Take turns playing cards for.
• 41:01
  Tad Eggleston: work.
• 41:01
  Phil: Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:03
  Phil: You know, that's ridiculous.
• 41:05
  Tad Eggleston: Especially with the two reverse cards in there.
• 41:06
  Phil: Absolutely.
• 41:09
  Phil: Heck yeah. I mean, it's… I hope… I hope more stuff like this pops up, you know?
• 41:16
  Phil: it's the kind of thing where, I guess, you know.
• 41:20
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's kind of… it's kind of a crazy thing that you find at, like, indie cons all the time.
• 41:26
  Phil: Oh, really?
• 41:26
  Tad Eggleston: One of my favorite comics that I have is actually, like, a perpetual comic.
• 41:31
  Phil: Oh.
• 41:32
  Tad Eggleston: It's a Mobius strip comic.
• 41:34
  Phil: Interesting. Okay, okay, yeah. I mean, I loved the Dan Slott, Mike Allred, Mobius Strip issue of Silver Surfer. Did you read that?
• 41:45
  Phil: No.
• 41:46
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, it's… I mean… But if it's on… if it's on regular pages, it can't quite be the same…
• 41:53
  Tad Eggleston: This is literally.
• 41:53
  Phil: really, like…
• 41:54
  Tad Eggleston: It's like, it fits in your hand.
• 41:57
  Phil: Right, right, so it's a… it's definitely a different beast, but it's… it's still, it's like it has to do with, you know, there's, like, a loop that, between the pages, there's, like, a top loop and a bottom loop, sort of thing. So, yeah, it's a, it's a great issue. The whole run was, was quite fun. Yeah, so I guess there's a bonus one. The,
• 42:17
  Phil: Mike Allred Silver Surfer. How's, how's, how's, the three chapters of One Piece?
• 42:22
  Tad Eggleston: Aw, cool.
• 42:23
  Phil: Yeah.
• 42:24
  Tad Eggleston: Cool, they're, they're, they're… they're starting to get…
• 42:28
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, the crew's back together, they're… they're… they're still… they're still under the sea.
• 42:34
  Phil: Nice.
• 42:35
  Tad Eggleston: But they're starting to wrap up there, I think they're gonna wind up with another crew member or two.
• 42:40
  Phil: Oh, okay.
• 42:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's fun. It's just fun. Sometimes I don't have a way to describe One Piece other than it's fun.
• 42:48
  Phil: Nice.
• 42:49
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's exciting.
• 42:51
  Phil: Yeah, I finally… finally, I read, I did dig into, first couple chapters of Mob Psycho 100. It is…
• 42:58
  Phil: Completely.
• 42:59
  Tad Eggleston: I read almost as much, Harkuzi Mound as you read Mob Psycho.
• 43:05
  Phil: Oh, Harku… what is Harkusi Mound?
• 43:07
  Tad Eggleston: It's the… it's the baseball comic that I'm… that I'm reading, and I would have read more, except that, like, I only had to read one chapter to catch up this week.
• 43:15
  Phil: Oh, okay.
• 43:16
  Tad Eggleston: Because I'm, like, up-to-date on it. I've been.
• 43:19
  Phil: Oh, really?
• 43:20
  Tad Eggleston: The chapters as they come out.
• 43:21
  Phil: So, you do, like, one a week?
• 43:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it comes out mostly one a week.
• 43:27
  Phil: Okay.
• 43:32
  Tad Eggleston: So, I mean, if we count the issue of the vertical scroll issue of Taste of Justice, which isn't manga.
• 43:40
  Phil: But it's awful.
• 43:41
  Tad Eggleston: also, like, different from the rest of what we normally read, that I read more.
• 43:48
  Tad Eggleston: More weird stuff than you did this week.
• 43:51
  Phil: Oh, yeah. I'll have to, plunge to deeper depths of strangeness to… to beat you one week. You know, we'll see.
• 44:03
  Tad Eggleston: Anyway, how about Tuesday?
• 44:08
  Phil: I mean… I was… I… I…
• 44:13
  Phil: first of all, the way I heard that Dick Cheney had passed was from a post of the Grim Reaper grabbing someone out of a claw machine, and the caption was, hey, hope this is the way you find out about Cheney.
• 44:26
  Phil: So, it was perfect.
• 44:30
  Tad Eggleston: I, like, I've… I've told you about J. Kuo and.
• 44:36
  Tad Eggleston: J. Kuo gives me the weekly skeets and giggles, and the skeets and giggles this week were also amazing.
• 44:44
  Phil: But…
• 44:44
  Tad Eggleston: But the MAGA Cope is real.
• 44:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. From… from Friday was almost like an early Skeets and Giggles.
• 44:53
  Tad Eggleston: Donald Trump let everybody know that he wasn't on the ballot, and the shutdown.
• 44:58
  Phil: Huh?
• 44:58
  Tad Eggleston: The fact that he wasn't on the ballot in the shutdown were the only two reasons that Republicans lost elections.
• 45:04
  Phil: Oh!
• 45:04
  Tad Eggleston: According to pollsters.
• 45:06
  Phil: Oh, boy.
• 45:08
  Tad Eggleston: I think that what he missed is the shutdown was what put him on the ballot, and yes, that's why they lost.
• 45:17
  Phil: That's quite amusing to imply that he doesn't understand the idiom of being on the ballot.
• 45:24
  Tad Eggleston: I also loved that, that, that a Trump advisor told Axios
• 45:33
  Tad Eggleston: He will make their lives a living hell. He will call them at 3 o'clock in the morning, he will blow the…
• 45:39
  Tad Eggleston: them up in their districts. He will call them un-American. He will call them old creatures of a dying institution. Believe you me, he's going to make their lives just hell. This is referring to the senators that don't want to get rid of the filibuster.
• 45:55
  Phil: Mmm.
• 45:57
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, overall, I'm in favor of getting rid of the filibuster
• 46:04
  Tad Eggleston: For any number of reasons. I understand why the Republicans are not, because, like, they're not.
• 46:12
  Phil: They're one move.
• 46:13
  Tad Eggleston: tenant for very long. And, and, like, Right now,
• 46:21
  Tad Eggleston: There are actually a lot of things that the Republican House will pass that they don't want to pass. And if they don't get rid of the filibuster, then they can blame it on Democrats, and if they get rid of the filibuster, they're gonna have to take sides against their own party on some really stupid-ass shit.
• 46:38
  Phil: Wow.
• 46:39
  Tad Eggleston: And also, like, anytime John Cornyn, Josh Hawley, and Tommy Tuberville are for something, you should just be against it.
• 46:47
  Phil: Me.
• 46:48
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wait.
• 46:49
  Phil: Rancho.
• 46:49
  Tad Eggleston: They're on the list of open to changes.
• 46:55
  Phil: Woof.
• 46:55
  Tad Eggleston: Regarding the filibuster.
• 46:57
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 47:01
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah…
• 47:03
  Phil: Yeah, I think the funniest headline I saw was a screenshot of Fox News, and the banner read, by winning, the Democrats are actually losing.
• 47:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 47:16
  Phil: Complete match.
• 47:17
  Tad Eggleston: This one from the Kentucky… Secretary of State.
• 47:21
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 47:21
  Tad Eggleston: We're getting calls about polls being closed. They are closed because we do not have elections today.
• 47:28
  Tad Eggleston: Kentucky votes next year. You cannot vote today in Kentucky for the mayor of New York City or the governor of Virginia. Sorry.
• 47:41
  Phil: Oh… Steve?
• 47:43
  Tad Eggleston: Bannon actually said out loud?
• 47:46
  Phil: Hmm.
• 47:47
  Tad Eggleston: If we lose the midterms and we lose 2028, some in this room are going to prison, myself included.
• 47:57
  Phil: We can only hope.
• 48:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah…
• 48:04
  Tad Eggleston: Apparently, also that the Republican loss was big on Tuesday because Republicans are so happy with what's happening that they didn't bother to vote. Jake Tapper literally laughed in her face.
• 48:21
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, this was good.
• 48:22
  Tad Eggleston: Joe Rogan had,
• 48:25
  Tad Eggleston: had, Elon Musk on, and… and Rogan actually asked a… a surprisingly hard… hard question for… for… for…
• 48:35
  Tad Eggleston: Rogan to ask, he… he… when Musk called
• 48:41
  Tad Eggleston: Momdani a swindler, Rogan asked him, what makes him a swindler?
• 48:47
  Tad Eggleston: Musk did not actually have a response.
• 48:57
  Phil: Apparently, he went down the K-hole.
• 48:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, damn.
• 49:03
  Tad Eggleston: A number of Republicans are blaming women.
• 49:11
  Phil: Against their one move.
• 49:13
  Tad Eggleston: Jesse Waters, so the Mamdani Coalition, a lot of them are women, so let's talk about these single women, because they were the force he here
• 49:24
  Tad Eggleston: You are in an apartment, it's small, it's very small, and it's very expensive, and you haven't gotten married and had kids and moved out to the suburbs like everybody else, so you're in a tiny apartment, and the apartment is getting really expensive because all these migrants are here now, and it's also expensive because of the Green New Deal, so your utilities are high, and you've got the wrong degree, you should have gotten a degree.
• 49:44
  Tad Eggleston: in, like, chemistry, biology, finance, computer science, something useful in the high-tech AI economy. No, you got a degree in, like, Southeastern Asian feminist literature.
• 49:58
  Tad Eggleston: Again, I did like this response,
• 50:02
  Tad Eggleston: Check. Small apartment? No. Unmarried? Check. No kids? Check. Expensive apartment? Check. Because of migrants? No. Because of Green New Deal? No. STEM degree? No. Southeast Asian feminist lit degree? No.
• 50:18
  Phil: That is clever, that's pretty good.
• 50:22
  Phil: Oh, my goodness.
• 50:22
  Tad Eggleston: Kelly says that Republicans like to lose.
• 50:27
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, there it is. Laura Ingram, by winning, Democrats are actually losing.
• 50:35
  Phil: Yep. It's too good.
• 50:37
  Tad Eggleston: Bec Ramaswamy.
• 50:43
  Tad Eggleston: Who, who,
• 50:46
  Tad Eggleston: who said that the GOP lost because of affordability and identity politics. What's great here is the responses to
• 50:58
  Tad Eggleston: him saying it was affordability and identity politics on Twitter. You've got GTFO, you are an invader who has scammed the American people.
• 51:09
  Tad Eggleston: We do care about the color of your skin and your religion. Neither of yours are American.
• 51:15
  Tad Eggleston: A incredibly racist… Wow.
• 51:18
  Phil: Oh.
• 51:19
  Tad Eggleston: seemingly AI-generated picture of an Indian. Allow me to explain your country's identity to you, and how it includes me. And, of course, the non-white invader doesn't address the only lesson Republicans should take from tonight.
• 51:34
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah. And then it's actually, Allison Steinberg, from, from the, Lindell News Network said, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, women are the problem.
• 51:53
  Tad Eggleston: with, 61% of women voting for… for Abigail Spangert, or Spanberger versus, versus only 45% of men.
• 52:03
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, you know, Democratic Socialist in New York, but in Virginia, it's, like, a centrist former CIA agent.
• 52:17
  Tad Eggleston: Ellison Steinberg is, of course, the Jesus and King DC correspondent for Real Lindell TV, American carnivore steak, pronouns no thank you. I think.
• 52:29
  Phil: Only one of those.
• 52:30
  Tad Eggleston: Sure, no.
• 52:30
  Phil: a pronoun. Ha!
• 52:32
  Tad Eggleston: I think we should start calling. So, Allison Steinberger, when she… when Noh was on TV last night.
• 52:42
  Phil: That's clever.
• 52:44
  Phil: Oh, my goodness!
• 52:45
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's actually the thing that pisses me off the most about when they do
• 52:50
  Tad Eggleston: Their pronouns like that is, like.
• 52:52
  Tad Eggleston: So, you want to… emphasize the fact that you're so stupid that you don't know what burnout is.
• 53:00
  Phil: Right? Oh, goodness.
• 53:03
  Tad Eggleston: You can save your country, or you can allow women to vote. You cannot do both.
• 53:08
  Phil: Wow! That is… that is… that is a terrifying thing to say. Holy shit.
• 53:14
  Tad Eggleston: repeal the 19th Amendment and restore the household vote.
• 53:19
  Phil: That is bullshit, oh my god.
• 53:23
  Phil: Holy…
• 53:23
  Tad Eggleston: So, this is how the MAGA crew copes, and they think that we're the snowflakes. Yeah.
• 53:31
  Phil: That's… that's terrible.
• 53:33
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, in case anybody missed, missed where we're having fun here is, like,
• 53:40
  Tad Eggleston: Democrats, like, cleaned up in every election…
• 53:44
  Phil: So how many elections were there?
• 53:46
  Tad Eggleston: There weren't a ton, but, like… Okay.
• 53:49
  Tad Eggleston: Couple of governor's mansions, New York mayor, They're…
• 53:54
  Phil: Redistricting in California, they…
• 53:59
  Tad Eggleston: They took a couple of seats on the utilities board in… Georgia…
• 54:05
  Tad Eggleston: And not by a little bit.
• 54:09
  Tad Eggleston: By wide margins, statewide offices in Georgia I mean, like,
• 54:23
  Tad Eggleston: Donald Trump and the Republican Party are so unpopular right now that
• 54:29
  Tad Eggleston: that Marjorie Taylor Greene went on The View and acted civilly.
• 54:36
  Phil: Yeah, I mean, and that's… that's one of those things that…
• 54:39
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, she still wasn't able to, like, completely give up on, like, a lot of her bullshit. I'm not… I'm not at all, like, saying that she's…
• 54:52
  Tad Eggleston: reformed much, if at all.
• 54:56
  Phil: It's more of a signal of the people turning against Trump himself, of willing to…
• 55:02
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's not even that. When was the last time you saw Marjorie Taylor Greene act civilly?
• 55:08
  Phil: Virtually never.
• 55:10
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think I ever have! Until her View interview.
• 55:13
  Phil: Oh, goodness.
• 55:14
  Tad Eggleston: I'm used to hearing her scream at people.
• 55:16
  Phil: Yeah.
• 55:17
  Phil: I tend to not observe her, to be fair.
• 55:20
  Tad Eggleston: I don't very often either, which is why I can't guarantee that there's not other films somewhere where she acts civilly. Right. But yeah.
• 55:28
  Phil: I've seen a lot more of her… her acting pretty… Pretty out of line.
• 55:32
  Tad Eggleston: Right!
• 55:34
  Tad Eggleston: Right!
• 55:36
  Tad Eggleston: She's the one that heckled the president during the State of the Union.
• 55:41
  Phil: That's right.
• 55:44
  Phil: Yeah.
• 55:45
  Tad Eggleston: And she's in, like, among the safest districts in the world.
• 55:51
  Phil: Hmm…
• 55:53
  Tad Eggleston: Now, AOC said that this is because she's pissed off because she got…
• 56:00
  Tad Eggleston: bullied into not running for Senate in Georgia.
• 56:06
  Tad Eggleston: And there are a handful of people who think that she's gearing up for a 2028 presidential run.
• 56:12
  Phil: Oof.
• 56:12
  Tad Eggleston: And either of those are possible, though I don't think she'd win either of them.
• 56:17
  Phil: Yeah.
• 56:17
  Tad Eggleston: But beyond all that, like…
• 56:23
  Tad Eggleston: She certainly doesn't need to do it to keep her seat. She's in, like, among the safest seats
• 56:29
  Tad Eggleston: in the country.
• 56:31
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you know this because, like, she loses it by less and less every election, and she still, like, gets more than 60% of the vote in her county.
• 56:43
  Phil: Wow.
• 56:43
  Tad Eggleston: which is, I think, down 20% from the previous Republican.
• 56:48
  Phil: Sounds like a place I would never want to go.
• 56:50
  Tad Eggleston: Bright.
• 56:54
  Phil: Oof.
• 56:55
  Tad Eggleston: On the flip side, you know,
• 56:58
  Tad Eggleston: Lauren Boebert had to move counties because…
• 57:02
  Tad Eggleston: She thought she was in a county that close, and then she won by, what, 400 votes?
• 57:11
  Tad Eggleston: And she decided that she wasn't gonna let it be that close next time, so she moved.
• 57:19
  Tad Eggleston: It's just…
• 57:23
  Tad Eggleston: It's nice to have this glimmer of hope.
• 57:26
  Phil: Yeah.
• 57:28
  Tad Eggleston: This glimmer of hope.
• 57:32
  Tad Eggleston: Because among other things, like, all plans for massive voter suppression, etc, go really orry if it turns out that they're gerrymandering.
• 57:45
  Tad Eggleston: Loses them seats.
• 57:48
  Phil: Yeah?
• 57:48
  Tad Eggleston: And… there's reason to believe that… that…
• 57:56
  Tad Eggleston: Cutting their margins to try to add districts could… backfire.
• 58:03
  Phil: Hmm.
• 58:05
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly because, like, a lot of these races were, like, 20… 20-point swings from last year.
• 58:18
  Phil: Yeah, and I mean, I'm hoping that… It's a sign that… People will still show up.
• 58:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah?
• 58:27
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and that some people who don't normally show up are showing up. I mean, I saw Jasmine Crockett talking.
• 58:34
  Phil: yesterday, and part of what she was talking about is that, like, she's bullying a Senate run.
• 58:42
  Tad Eggleston: And one of the things she said that's difficult with polling is,
• 58:49
  Tad Eggleston: in general, like, one of the first questions is, do you intend to vote in the next election? And if you say no, they often end the call right then.
• 59:02
  Tad Eggleston: But…
• 59:06
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 59:11
  Tad Eggleston: that… That… that answer can change, like, I mean, how many…
• 59:24
  Tad Eggleston: Is it possible that, like, some of the under-polling in 2016 was from people who said no, who if the next question would be, if Donald Trump is on the ballot, will you vote?
• 59:36
  Phil: Hmm.
• 59:37
  Tad Eggleston: who would have said, oh yeah, if Donald Trump is the Republican nominee, then yes, I'll vote in the…
• 59:47
  Tad Eggleston: You know, so it's often not as simple as…
• 59:51
  Tad Eggleston: You know, do I… you know, a lot of elections can turn on the people that you get to vote who weren't gonna vote.
• 59:59
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, in most elections, between 30 and 40% of the district don't vote.
• 1:00:05
  Tad Eggleston: Which means that, like, you can swing almost any election by just getting the people who don't vote to vote.
• 1:00:12
  Tad Eggleston: No, that's a hard…
• 1:00:14
  Tad Eggleston: Task, but it's not always as hard as swinging people from one side to the other.
• 1:00:20
  Phil: Yeah, that is for sure.
• 1:00:22
  Tad Eggleston: You know… So, I mean, really, in any given election, You know, about 30% of…
• 1:00:33
  Tad Eggleston: Eligible voters are for each party.
• 1:00:38
  Tad Eggleston: And… Well, probably, actually, about 20% of eligible voters are for each party.
• 1:00:45
  Tad Eggleston: 20-30% are what we would call swing voters, and, and…
• 1:00:52
  Tad Eggleston: 30-40% are people who don't normally vote, who are also, essentially, swing voters.
• 1:00:58
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:00:59
  Tad Eggleston: Y-you know what I mean?
• 1:01:02
  Tad Eggleston: Which is one of the reasons that always frustrates me when when…
• 1:01:09
  Tad Eggleston: the Democratic Party gives up on… so many heartland districts.
• 1:01:16
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, just the pure math of things, like…
• 1:01:20
  Tad Eggleston: The idea that you couldn't convince enough people
• 1:01:24
  Tad Eggleston: In a state with less than a million.
• 1:01:28
  Phil: To flip the party?
• 1:01:32
  Tad Eggleston: Just feels like you're not trying hard enough.
• 1:01:36
  Phil: I mean, maybe, but…
• 1:01:39
  Phil: I don't know, it's tough because…
• 1:01:42
  Phil: just having driven through some… some counties like that, it's… I mean, I get it, but, like, in our… in your lifetime, you're younger than me, even. Like, South Dakota, Montana have both had…
• 1:01:54
  Tad Eggleston: had Democratic senators.
• 1:01:56
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:01:57
  Tad Eggleston: Montana's had a Democratic governor.
• 1:01:59
  Phil: Iowa's had Democratic senators, Kansas has had Democratic senators.
• 1:02:04
  Tad Eggleston: Missouri's had a Democratic governor. You know, these aren't places that have never been won by Democrats.
• 1:02:10
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:02:12
  Tad Eggleston: You know… In 2018, 3 of Iowa's 4 House seats flipped Democratic.
• 1:02:26
  Tad Eggleston: they're all back to Republican now, but, like, the idea that we…
• 1:02:31
  Tad Eggleston: Gave up on the state and haven't, like, worked hard on statewide stuff there just seems dumb to me.
• 1:02:38
  Phil: Admittedly, yeah, when you say things like Iowa and the Dakotas, I was thinking more, like, Kansas, even, Missouri, you know, those places, you know, but…
• 1:02:52
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, again, like, any…
• 1:02:55
  Phil: I think… I think a lot of that might…
• 1:02:58
  Tad Eggleston: Any Confederate state becomes harder.
• 1:03:00
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  Tad Eggleston: But they're still not impossible.
• 1:03:03
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:03:04
  Phil: I mean, Georgia's been… Been flipped recently, so…
• 1:03:08
  Tad Eggleston: But even the smaller ones, you know, again, if you've got…
• 1:03:17
  Tad Eggleston: A million voters in the state, and it's 60-40.
• 1:03:24
  Tad Eggleston: Even if all of them voted.
• 1:03:28
  Tad Eggleston: That means you need to flip about 100,000 votes.
• 1:03:32
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:03:33
  Tad Eggleston: But, realistically, half of them voted, which means you have to flip 50,000 votes.
• 1:03:39
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:03:44
  Tad Eggleston: That's… that shouldn't feel impossible.
• 1:03:49
  Tad Eggleston: You know what I mean?
• 1:03:51
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, you'd hope that…
• 1:03:56
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 1:03:57
  Phil: Motivation to actually get out and…
• 1:04:00
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and I also think part of the… I think part of the problem is, more and more, they do it all through advertising, particularly in an era which, like, I don't think was a good thing in general.
• 1:04:12
  Tad Eggleston: But it makes even less sense in… an era of…
• 1:04:22
  Tad Eggleston: Such fractured media consumption?
• 1:04:27
  Tad Eggleston: You know, managing to have your advertisements get seen by the people that they might actually sway is…
• 1:04:35
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, they talk about databases and whatnot, but, like…
• 1:04:38
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:04:40
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe…
• 1:04:42
  Tad Eggleston: But you gotta somehow get them in front of the eyes of the people who weren't gonna vote for you, or the people that you're afraid will stay home.
• 1:04:52
  Tad Eggleston: Doesn't matter if the people who support you see them.
• 1:04:56
  Tad Eggleston: And it doesn't matter if the people who were never gonna support you see them.
• 1:05:02
  Tad Eggleston: In fact, it can be bad if the people who are never gonna support you see them, because they might have sway over some of those people that might… whereas if you're doing… I mean, and part is, I'm not even talking about, like.
• 1:05:16
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, yeah, they should be going for the Senate seats and the governors and whatnot, but, like, I hate that there are so many…
• 1:05:23
  Tad Eggleston: County-level seats that we don't manage to have.
• 1:05:28
  Tad Eggleston: a Democrat on the ballot.
• 1:05:30
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  Tad Eggleston: I don't care how red you think the county is. If you want to turn it blue, you start with the school board.
• 1:05:37
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:05:37
  Tad Eggleston: And the county board.
• 1:05:41
  Tad Eggleston: You know, because then suddenly, when somebody's running for state representative, it's somebody that they've already voted for.
• 1:05:47
  Tad Eggleston: He's been mayor.
• 1:05:50
  Tad Eggleston: She's been head of the school board.
• 1:05:52
  Tad Eggleston: She's a known quantity.
• 1:05:54
  Phil: And those are the type of races that you don't win through advertising and whatnot, you win through…
• 1:06:03
  Tad Eggleston: Chili bake-offs, and… and… Going door-to-door.
• 1:06:12
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 1:06:13
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, this is what Mom Donnie did in New York, it's what Kat Abagazzella is doing in the Illinois 9th right now.
• 1:06:25
  Tad Eggleston: I'm really gonna be fascinated to see how she does in the primary, because, like…
• 1:06:33
  Tad Eggleston: she's the one that's on the ground, and she's definitely not, unfortunately, gonna be the one that's picked by the Democratic establishment.
• 1:06:44
  Tad Eggleston: But I wonder if her head start and the fact that that…
• 1:06:50
  Tad Eggleston: her whole campaign has been doing community events. It's been protesting, it's been cleaning up the beach, it's been…
• 1:06:58
  Tad Eggleston: you know… Providing safety to… to, drag storytime at the library.
• 1:07:12
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:07:13
  Tad Eggleston: You know… .
• 1:07:16
  Phil: Yeah, I think it'd be a damn shame if the Democratic Party didn't…
• 1:07:20
  Phil: endorse and pick her, you know?
• 1:07:22
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, it's a primary, and to a certain extent, like, the Democratic Party's not gonna endorse, but I guarantee that there will be some older, more moneyed politician that either is already involved in the race or gets involved in the race. And then it will really become a question of.
• 1:07:40
  Tad Eggleston: What happens when the guy who's doing television ads is up against the person who's not doing any traditional advertising?
• 1:07:47
  Phil: Yeah. And I mean, depending on the, age range of people in the county, you could have the vote go very different ways.
• 1:07:57
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and that's where the fact that she's got Northwestern University and, I think, Loyola University in her county.
• 1:08:03
  Phil: Oh, wow.
• 1:08:04
  Tad Eggleston: Are gonna be…
• 1:08:06
  Phil: There you go.
• 1:08:06
  Tad Eggleston: Because…
• 1:08:07
  Phil: You can have, registration drives on college campuses.
• 1:08:10
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:08:10
  Phil: For sure.
• 1:08:11
  Tad Eggleston: start registering.
• 1:08:14
  Tad Eggleston: At their campus addresses, rather than their home addresses.
• 1:08:21
  Phil: When I was in school, I've… I voted from my college town, so yeah.
• 1:08:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but lots of people don't.
• 1:08:28
  Phil: That's true.
• 1:08:30
  Tad Eggleston: You know, so it has to be part of your concerted effort.
• 1:08:32
  Tad Eggleston: And of course, she's got the fun of having to deal with a federal criminal charge for, oh my god, getting beat up by an ICE agent.
• 1:08:42
  Phil: Oh, shit.
• 1:08:44
  Tad Eggleston: She was… she was obstructing.
• 1:08:47
  Phil: Ugh.
• 1:08:47
  Tad Eggleston: That's what it's called now, when you let an ICE agent throw you to the ground.
• 1:08:53
  Phil: It's fucked up.
• 1:08:58
  Tad Eggleston: Welcome to the Trump Justice Department.
• 1:09:01
  Phil: Yeah, so…
• 1:09:03
  Tad Eggleston: Anyway, let's talk some books that we hope will be spectacular.
• 1:09:06
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:07
  Tad Eggleston: We both have the same book on top.
• 1:09:10
  Phil: Heck yeah.
• 1:09:12
  Tad Eggleston: Die Loaded No. 1, Kieran Gillen and Stephanie Hans,
• 1:09:17
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think there's anything we can say about Die that we haven't said many times over, and, like, people can listen to us play Die, so…
• 1:09:24
  Tad Eggleston: Just go buy the damn comic.
• 1:09:26
  Phil: Heck yeah.
• 1:09:29
  Tad Eggleston: City Beneath Her Feet number 2 from James Tynia IV and Elsa Chardier. James Tynion was actually just at Challenger's Comics and Conversation, and, like, I missed he was coming, so I just saw it on their social media feed.
• 1:09:42
  Tad Eggleston: that they had a nice big… it was busy enough that I'm… I'm actually kind of happy that… that I didn't know and didn't go, because…
• 1:09:49
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:09:50
  Tad Eggleston: I would have felt like I was in the way.
• 1:09:53
  Phil: No.
• 1:09:55
  Tad Eggleston: I, you know, I…
• 1:09:56
  Phil: I'm sure you wouldn't be, you know?
• 1:09:58
  Tad Eggleston: I'm sure I wouldn't be too, but like…
• 1:10:03
  Tad Eggleston: I can handle crowds under, like, if I was running the crowd.
• 1:10:07
  Tad Eggleston: My store, it probably wouldn't have bothered me.
• 1:10:10
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:10:11
  Tad Eggleston: if I had the type of relationship with them where I was coming down there to help.
• 1:10:16
  Tad Eggleston: as an employee, it probably wouldn't have bothered me. But if I'm going down just to get something signed, and maybe…
• 1:10:23
  Tad Eggleston: buy something and whatnot, and particularly if I don't have friends with me to kind of be my shields, then the crowd's not as much fun anymore.
• 1:10:34
  Phil: No.
• 1:10:34
  Tad Eggleston: It's just, it's kind of the autism and the… and the shyness and all that stuff put together.
• 1:10:41
  Phil: I can understand that.
• 1:10:42
  Tad Eggleston: elsa Chartier is… is… is one of my favorites. I have an original Elsa Chartier right above me right now.
• 1:10:51
  Phil: Oh, wow.
• 1:10:51
  Tad Eggleston: Mom.
• 1:10:52
  Tad Eggleston: She, she, she did, Did headshots for, for anybody,
• 1:11:00
  Tad Eggleston: Anybody who upgraded to a annual subscription a while back.
• 1:11:06
  Phil: And I wasn't gonna turn away…
• 1:11:09
  Tad Eggleston: Turn down a, I think it's an 8x11?
• 1:11:17
  Phil: Nice.
• 1:11:17
  Tad Eggleston: From Elsa, and she asked me who I wanted, and I said, I want whatever you draw for me.
• 1:11:25
  Phil: Excuse me.
• 1:11:25
  Tad Eggleston: So, I have, a very… Serious-looking woman.
• 1:11:36
  Tad Eggleston: I think with… with some…
• 1:11:40
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's black and white, but based on the hair, it feels like we've got some African descent.
• 1:11:45
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:11:46
  Tad Eggleston: But the cheekbones make me think that she's more mixed.
• 1:11:50
  Phil: But I don't think it's an actual character, I think it's just something else I made for me.
• 1:11:54
  Phil: Nice.
• 1:11:55
  Tad Eggleston: And I really like it.
• 1:11:57
  Phil: That's cool.
• 1:11:58
  Tad Eggleston: I was looking up at it, and I was able to just be looking up at it as I was describing it, because it's the one…
• 1:12:04
  Phil: That's true.
• 1:12:05
  Tad Eggleston: Right above my desk.
• 1:12:06
  Phil: Yup, he was looking right at the ceiling there.
• 1:12:09
  Tad Eggleston: Right,
• 1:12:11
  Tad Eggleston: So, and then, Uncle Scrooge, Flint Hart Glomgold, Sinister Secret Number 2 from Francesco Alec Biani, Jonathan H. Gray, and Alessandra Perina at Fantographics. Some books I KNOW are spectacular.
• 1:12:26
  Tad Eggleston: American Caper No. 1 from Dan Houser, Laszlo, and David Lapham at Dark Horse. Conversation with at least some of them is coming up very soon.
• 1:12:36
  Tad Eggleston: On 22 Panels, Comfortless from Miguel Avila at Fanta Graphics. I spoke with him today about this wonderful book. That will be.
• 1:12:46
  Phil: Dang.
• 1:12:47
  Tad Eggleston: on our airwaves soon, and lovers and haters, a Loving Rockets book from Gilbert Hernandez at Fanta Graphics,
• 1:12:58
  Tad Eggleston: Also talked to him recently about this, and that's already available on 22 panels.
• 1:13:06
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah.
• 1:13:08
  Tad Eggleston: What are you looking forward to, Phil?
• 1:13:10
  Phil: Well, first up, we got the giant-sized trade waiter pick of Adventure Man Hardcover Volume 4 from Matt Fraction, Terry Dodson, and Rachel Dodson, and Clayton Coles at Image Comics. And then, of course, I'm also very excited for Die Loaded from, Karen and Stephanie.
• 1:13:28
  Phil: and Clayton over at Image,
• 1:13:31
  Phil: I hear that there are going to be, some of the back matter of the single issues are going to be additional rules about the gods of Dai that, Karen is, is writing some more stuff for Godbinder, so I am all for it.
• 1:13:44
  Tad Eggleston: I hear that together?
• 1:13:45
  Phil: We did, we did, and that's why I'm so excited for it.
• 1:13:49
  Tad Eggleston: We're allowed to plug our show.
• 1:13:51
  Phil: And I am… I'm planning on, incorporating those rules as best I can.
• 1:13:55
  Tad Eggleston: No, I just meant when you say things like, I hear, you know, you act like you saw it on social media or something, rather than, like, on the 22 Panels episode where we talk…
• 1:14:06
  Phil: You were a trolled!
• 1:14:07
  Tad Eggleston: Dylan!
• 1:14:08
  Phil: by the author of the book that this is…
• 1:14:10
  Tad Eggleston: Totally allowed to plug out.
• 1:14:12
  Phil: workshop.
• 1:14:12
  Tad Eggleston: Whoa!
• 1:14:13
  Phil: Yeah. You know, I gotta… I gotta, I gotta, like, slap myself for… and pinch myself, like, that… that happened. That actually happened, and it was great. It was… it was marvelous. It was… it was my favorite episode so far. It's hard to top. But yeah, it was a good…
• 1:14:27
  Tad Eggleston: how it is.
• 1:14:28
  Phil: It's a good time. Chad, that is… that is meant to be a compliment and a thank you for arranging that and putting it together. That was… that was.
• 1:14:35
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I guess I was there.
• 1:14:37
  Phil: You were!
• 1:14:38
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 1:14:39
  Phil: You're in all of my favorite episodes.
• 1:14:41
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 1:14:42
  Phil: Fair enough. And additionally, it is a big week for Karen Gillen, as The Power Fantasy No. 13 is booked with Casper Wingegard, er, Wingard, and Clayton Coles and Ryan Hughes, also at Image, is coming out. Start of the third book. It sounds like, issue 16 was the first potential endpoint.
• 1:15:04
  Phil: He's mentioned that
• 1:15:07
  Phil: there will probably be a longer-than-usual gap after the end of this arc, and of course, my heart is a quiver. I hope this book keeps going for years and years to come. I understand how tiring it can be, and definitely want to.
• 1:15:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think he said… I think he even told us that.
• 1:15:24
  Phil: Thank you.
• 1:15:24
  Tad Eggleston: Thinks it's gonna be 32.
• 1:15:26
  Phil: At least. 36, maybe? Something like that.
• 1:15:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, he's, he said, he said…
• 1:15:32
  Tad Eggleston: 16 is where we needed to stop, unless we thought we could get to 32.
• 1:15:37
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:15:38
  Tad Eggleston: 2 to 36 is kinda, like…
• 1:15:41
  Phil: Yeah, that's the next, the next phase.
• 1:15:44
  Tad Eggleston: that he has…
• 1:15:45
  Phil: See, I'm… I'm hoping that this is… because it's the kind of thing where I'm like,
• 1:15:53
  Phil: I don't know. Again, it's… I'm muttering to myself, I was gonna say that I would love to see this book go on for 100 issues, but that also feels very selfish to say.
• 1:16:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, well, and that just hasn't been Kieran's style so far.
• 1:16:05
  Phil: Not yet, no, and that's his longest book so far.
• 1:16:08
  Tad Eggleston: as, a more…
• 1:16:10
  Phil: The Wicked and Divine was 54 issues plus specials, so it was really, like, a good 60. But yeah, and I mean,
• 1:16:19
  Phil: a 100-issue run can feel arbitrarily large, so I wouldn't want something that felt bloated and, like, stuck.
• 1:16:27
  Tad Eggleston: I'm just saying, when we talked to him, I didn't feel like he saw this as…
• 1:16:33
  Phil: the end.
• 1:16:35
  Tad Eggleston: I think he saw it as, like…
• 1:16:38
  Tad Eggleston: He saw it as a 32-issue series that he could see going 36 if they wound up taking a couple of.
• 1:16:46
  Tad Eggleston: Detours that he could imagine, but wasn't certain of.
• 1:16:49
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:16:50
  Tad Eggleston: Does that make sense?
• 1:16:51
  Phil: Yeah, but also, it's… it's… I think it's because his first, series, Phonogram, was one that…
• 1:16:59
  Phil: could have gone on indefinitely, but didn't, and was 3 periodic miniseries because of the financial issues. So it's one of those things that…
• 1:17:07
  Phil: you know, if I had to guess, it's probably.
• 1:17:09
  Tad Eggleston: No, but he doesn't have that issue nearly as much anymore, so…
• 1:17:14
  Phil: Right.
• 1:17:15
  Tad Eggleston: Again, the vibe I got from him was… When he started it.
• 1:17:22
  Tad Eggleston: He was hoping for 32, but he had an out at 6, he had an out at.
• 1:17:29
  Phil: 16.
• 1:17:29
  Tad Eggleston: 16…
• 1:17:30
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:17:31
  Tad Eggleston: That sort of thing.
• 1:17:33
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:35
  Tad Eggleston: And so… We'll see.
• 1:17:40
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't want you not to get your wish, I'm just…
• 1:17:44
  Tad Eggleston: I also am a big, big believer in…
• 1:17:52
  Tad Eggleston: Some stories are meant to be… continuously ongoing.
• 1:17:59
  Tad Eggleston: And some stories are somewhat plotted from the beginning. So sometimes they'll wind up being a little bit longer because of the winds in the road, or even sometimes a little bit shorter, because they decide that
• 1:18:17
  Tad Eggleston: It didn't take as long to get to this point as
• 1:18:20
  Tad Eggleston: They had originally kind of blocked out for it.
• 1:18:23
  Phil: Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:18:26
  Phil: That was, probably the biggest one of those that I can think of is, Royal Royal City.
• 1:18:32
  Phil: Jeff Lemire's.
• 1:18:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:18:34
  Phil: That was… he ended after 3 story arcs, and I was like…
• 1:18:38
  Phil: Well, and I was really hoping… Well, no, he's got a…
• 1:18:41
  Tad Eggleston: graphic novel coming, but actually the biggest thing to me that I remember about that was that,
• 1:18:47
  Tad Eggleston: he said that where he got, at least I seem to remember him saying that where he got at the end of that 18 issues is where he thought he was gonna be at 30.
• 1:18:58
  Phil: Oh.
• 1:18:59
  Tad Eggleston: But… But it felt like the tighter storytelling was more appropriate to what he was doing.
• 1:19:07
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:19:09
  Tad Eggleston: So it turned out that his initial beats…
• 1:19:13
  Tad Eggleston: just weren't right.
• 1:19:14
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:19:17
  Tad Eggleston: You know, when he started actually sitting down and plotting the issues, you know, he was getting, like…
• 1:19:24
  Tad Eggleston: What he thought was 2 issues into one, or what he thought was 4 issues into three.
• 1:19:31
  Phil: Hmm.
• 1:19:32
  Tad Eggleston: you know…
• 1:19:33
  Phil: Interesting.
• 1:19:34
  Tad Eggleston: Well, because, I mean, particularly when it's a bigger story, you start… I mean, you're a writer, you start by, like, here are my big arc beats.
• 1:19:45
  Tad Eggleston: You know, whether you're writing comics or writing fiction or whatnot, like, here… here is the big…
• 1:19:52
  Tad Eggleston: Beginning, middle, and end, and, like, the major points along the way.
• 1:20:00
  Tad Eggleston: And you're taking a really big guess at, like…
• 1:20:04
  Tad Eggleston: how long it's gonna take to all of those, to get to all of those. And if you're in comics, you're trying to think of it in terms of trade paperbacks. So you're looking at it and going, oh, this is a big thing, this is a big thing, this is a big thing, so this is gonna be 6 issues, this is gonna be 6 issues, this is gonna be 6 issues.
• 1:20:19
  Phil: But particularly if you're kind of ahead of yourself.
• 1:20:23
  Tad Eggleston: Like, you're not already on a production calendar.
• 1:20:27
  Phil: Yeah. Right.
• 1:20:28
  Tad Eggleston: And you get going, and you're like, oh, wait…
• 1:20:36
  Tad Eggleston: I'm 12 pages in, and I feel like
• 1:20:41
  Tad Eggleston: I'm wrapping up what I had thought was an issue.
• 1:20:47
  Tad Eggleston: Now. I don't want to put out a 12-page comic.
• 1:20:51
  Phil: Right.
• 1:20:54
  Tad Eggleston: Let me look.
• 1:20:55
  Phil: In this economy?
• 1:20:57
  Tad Eggleston: Well, it's not even that, it's like…
• 1:21:00
  Phil: Yeah, that's one of those.
• 1:21:01
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, comic pacing is interesting.
• 1:21:04
  Phil: It is.
• 1:21:05
  Phil: That's for sure.
• 1:21:06
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, the feel I got was… I mean, part of it was definitely he just wasn't ready
• 1:21:12
  Tad Eggleston: to do more. It was more exhausting than he expected it to be.
• 1:21:16
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:21:17
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that was a really personal story to him.
• 1:21:23
  Tad Eggleston: And again, I haven't talked to Jeff, this is… this is from picking up from… so I could be completely talking out my ass on all of this. And my apologies if I am Jeff, and you're listening, and like, please, come set this record straight. Which is also why I'm trying to speak in a more general sense.
• 1:21:40
  Phil: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:41
  Tad Eggleston: But it felt like, with that book, it was a mixture of…
• 1:21:46
  Tad Eggleston: This is as much I can do right now. I have other ideas, I will be coming back. I don't know if I'm gonna come back in single issues, because…
• 1:21:57
  Tad Eggleston: you know, I think, I think he felt the grind of single issues on THAT book.
• 1:22:04
  Tad Eggleston: Was just too much.
• 1:22:06
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:22:08
  Tad Eggleston: You know, cause it's a different… it's a different grind.
• 1:22:12
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:22:13
  Phil: So you said, did they… did he say that he's, doing another… another…
• 1:22:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he put that on his substack a long time ago.
• 1:22:21
  Phil: It was actually supposed to be his next book that he did, but then he wound up.
• 1:22:27
  Tad Eggleston: Stepping away from it and doing fish flies.
• 1:22:31
  Tad Eggleston: And now he's doing Minor Arcana.
• 1:22:36
  Tad Eggleston: But I think I read from him somewhat recently that it's still there, it's still progressing, we still will see it.
• 1:22:47
  Tad Eggleston: But again, I mean, that's… creators are human.
• 1:22:51
  Phil: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:52
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, like, the number of creators I know who
• 1:22:56
  Tad Eggleston: Are in awe of the people who can write autobio comics?
• 1:23:01
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:23:01
  Tad Eggleston: Because they're sitting there going, I spent a day with a page.
• 1:23:08
  Phil: There's so many parts of my life that I don't want to spend a day with.
• 1:23:15
  Phil: It's amazing.
• 1:23:17
  Tad Eggleston: You know? And what if that part takes 4 pages?
• 1:23:22
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:23:24
  Tad Eggleston: I don't want to… I don't want to sit with that for 4 days.
• 1:23:32
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, you weren't here for the Carol Tyler, interview, but when we were talking, like, because Ephemerada, I mean, if you read it, you can tell how painful it was to write. And she didn't even get into grieving her husband.
• 1:23:46
  Phil: Oof.
• 1:23:47
  Tad Eggleston: That's the next book.
• 1:23:48
  Phil: Yikes. Wow.
• 1:23:49
  Tad Eggleston: And her comment was, A, I knew that it needed to be its own book.
• 1:23:54
  Tad Eggleston: And B, I needed that… I knew that I needed to schedule regular therapy first.
• 1:24:01
  Phil: Wow, yeah.
• 1:24:03
  Phil: That's huge.
• 1:24:05
  Tad Eggleston: So part of her planning for making the book was scheduling therapy.
• 1:24:09
  Phil: Well, that's healthy, that's good, you know?
• 1:24:11
  Tad Eggleston: It is, but, but, like… Storytelling is hard. Storytelling is…
• 1:24:17
  Tad Eggleston: take a lot out of you. That's for sure. And when you're writing and drawing, it's even… it can take even more out of you.
• 1:24:24
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:24:25
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, I'm never shocked when books that I love
• 1:24:31
  Tad Eggleston: Have to take breaks, or wind up.
• 1:24:32
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:24:34
  Tad Eggleston: Because… You know, the creators are human, too.
• 1:24:41
  Phil: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:24:43
  Tad Eggleston: And for that matter, I imagine it's also why a lot of people who don't necessarily need to are happy to take a Marvel or DC gig from time to time, because
• 1:24:53
  Tad Eggleston: It's much easier to tell great stories there that you're not nearly as emotionally invested in.
• 1:24:59
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:25:00
  Phil: That's for sure.
• 1:25:02
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 1:25:04
  Tad Eggleston: Again, that's… that's my extrapolation from talking to comics and… and from, like, I'm not trying to… to say that definitively, or whatever, don't come at me. I'm… I'm not…
• 1:25:18
  Tad Eggleston: Not trying to say they're lesser, I'm not saying… trying to say that there aren't.
• 1:25:23
  Tad Eggleston: Throw their… their heart and soul, blood and guts into them.
• 1:25:28
  Tad Eggleston: But I think, I think, I mean, like, one of the reasons why…
• 1:25:37
  Tad Eggleston: People fictionalize very autobiographical stories.
• 1:25:42
  Tad Eggleston: is… that… It puts a layer in between.
• 1:25:51
  Tad Eggleston: I gotta imagine if the characters aren't yours either, it puts yet another layer in between.
• 1:25:57
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:58
  Tad Eggleston: You know, it just gives you that buffer, that space to go, this isn't me, this is Bruce Wayne.
• 1:26:08
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no.
• 1:26:10
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 1:26:10
  Phil: At that point, it's almost like you're taking a punch at a deity of sorts, you know?
• 1:26:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Yeah. So, 4 seasons in the books.
• 1:26:22
  Tad Eggleston: You've been around for… Like, half a 1 now?
• 1:26:28
  Phil: Oh, yeah, yeah, you know.
• 1:26:30
  Tad Eggleston: Half of one?
• 1:26:31
  Phil: Goodness.
• 1:26:32
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, so, like, I mean, you've been around as a listener for most of 4,
• 1:26:40
  Tad Eggleston: Like, like, how does the grind feel? I mean, before we wrap up.
• 1:26:45
  Phil: It's… it's getting more natural, you know?
• 1:26:48
  Phil: I… I am absolutely loving being able to talk comics every week, and finding new stuff, hearing about new stuff,
• 1:26:58
  Phil: I'm enjoying it, yeah, it's a good time.
• 1:27:00
  Tad Eggleston: Good.
• 1:27:00
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:27:01
  Tad Eggleston: Good.
• 1:27:03
  Tad Eggleston: Then, then I suppose we'll keep you on.
• 1:27:07
  Phil: Oof.
• 1:27:08
  Tad Eggleston: Still the junior co-host, I think, but…
• 1:27:11
  Phil: I will happily be the Robin to your Batman.
• 1:27:16
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I was actually literally just thinking, you know,
• 1:27:22
  Tad Eggleston: One of the things I need to sort out tomorrow when I'm talking with Edgar is, official titles.
• 1:27:30
  Tad Eggleston: Just because when… when I send emails to publishers and whatnot to get on whatever mailing lists I can get on to… to…
• 1:27:40
  Tad Eggleston: Be out in front of announcements and or read advanced things, etc, to make it easier to order, easier to book.
• 1:27:48
  Tad Eggleston: etc. You know, so I'm like, oh, I should also probably have…
• 1:27:57
  Tad Eggleston: 22 panels title, so I think I'll…
• 1:28:01
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna call myself host, and… and… Managing editor.
• 1:28:06
  Phil: There you go.
• 1:28:09
  Tad Eggleston: So… I hope you're okay with that.
• 1:28:13
  Phil: Yeah, that sounds great.
• 1:28:14
  Tad Eggleston: Right now, it's a benevolent dictatorship, because without Tyler here, I don't even…
• 1:28:20
  Tad Eggleston: I'm not ready for it to be anywhere near a democracy.
• 1:28:24
  Tad Eggleston: That's okay. I think it had kind of become a benevolent dictatorship, even with Tyler around, and…
• 1:28:29
  Tad Eggleston: I'm so happy that he put up with that.
• 1:28:31
  Phil: I was gonna say, I'm happy to, follow you along for the ride, in most of the places you probably want to go.
• 1:28:39
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. Well, I'm gonna, just because he's on my mind, say… tell Nate to have a great day, and say 6-7 again.
• 1:28:51
  Tad Eggleston: And then say, for 22 panels, this has been episode 209, holy fucking shit.
• 1:29:00
  Tad Eggleston: And yes, I swore, young ears.
• 1:29:05
  Tad Eggleston: We'll see you after the next page.