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104: The Exonerated Five · Wine & Audacity

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  Speaker 1: M hmm. Yeah, you know what I thought about it
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: as that came out.
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  Speaker 2: He could call it, but I mean, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: real quiet conversation.
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  Speaker 1: She would be down, she would be tapping the receiver,
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  Speaker 1: not more scoop. So happened if that? Wow, this episode
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: is over before you even get started. What that bitch
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: tell me about talking about the bitch of work again.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I ain't mad at it, bro I wish, but no,
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  Speaker 3: like that, I don't know. Honestly, I don't really understand.
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't really understood the people that you know
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  Speaker 3: that that was. I don't want to say they was okay,
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  Speaker 3: not working, but you know, you you've been out of
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  Speaker 3: work for like should I ain't even like being out
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  Speaker 3: of work for almost a Yeah, that like I need
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  Speaker 3: to do something, like I gotta be active. I gotta
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  Speaker 3: feel like I'm doing you know, fel like I'm doing
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  Speaker 3: something I.
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  Speaker 2: Knew from a young age. And this, this is gonna
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  Speaker 2: probably one of the few elitist things that I might
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  Speaker 2: be accused of other saying, but I knew from a
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  Speaker 2: young age that I wouldn't do I wouldn't be able
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  Speaker 2: to do poor well, So I have.
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  Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm a whole millionaire. Listen, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I know I like night Ship and my belt for
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  Speaker 2: scamming people and then stealing and robbing banks and ship.
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  Speaker 2: So the only other way, sure that may be faking
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  Speaker 2: the injury at like like a shock writer or something,
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  Speaker 2: was to go to college.
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  Speaker 1: And slipping like my coworker, slip on a grape and
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  Speaker 1: oldies get the I still ain't figured that shut out.
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  Speaker 1: I got the picture of it in my mind and
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  Speaker 1: it's very very comical.
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  Speaker 2: But but if you if you stand on the grape,
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  Speaker 2: was this great like us? I'm still the size of
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  Speaker 2: a soccer ball that she's just like.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still confused as to how it happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am confusion as much as I go on
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  Speaker 2: all this.
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  Speaker 1: I ain't never slipped on nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, ain't nobody in there. I mean that would
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  Speaker 2: be the place to do, because anybody, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean, yeah, I mean I I can see that a
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  Speaker 4: little bit.
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  Speaker 2: To go back to what I was saying initially, it's
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  Speaker 2: I had to tell my mother like y'all basically coddled
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  Speaker 2: him and are still coddling him, and y'all don't force
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  Speaker 2: him to do anything.
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  Speaker 1: So he doesn't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: He wakes up, plays PlayStation, goes outside, be outside all
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  Speaker 2: day with his friends standing on the corner doing nothing
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  Speaker 2: like a dusty well yeah, and then comes back and
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  Speaker 2: eats and goes to sleep in you know, a lather
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  Speaker 2: renal peating. That's his thing that he was doing all day,
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  Speaker 2: every day. So you know, when my mother passed in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, I pulled him aside and said, look, my
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  Speaker 2: mother is gone. Your mother has her health issues. You
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  Speaker 2: do realize that once your mother is gone, you basically
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  Speaker 2: up shit's creek without a paddle, because ain't nobody gonna
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  Speaker 2: help you.
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  Speaker 3: In other words, lady and gentlemen, you're fucked basically, and
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  Speaker 3: I mean his sister's basically told him that, like, look,
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  Speaker 3: we're not gonna nobody taking care of your your damn
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  Speaker 3: you thirty year old ass.
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  Speaker 1: So so what.
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  Speaker 2: You gonna do, Like, you need to figure something out
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  Speaker 2: while you got the people in your corner now, because
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  Speaker 2: after they're gone, you're gonna be basically, you will be
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  Speaker 2: homeless because anybody taking no grown this meant and it
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  Speaker 2: don't want to work, don't want to do nothing. They
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  Speaker 2: gotta don't clean up after this self don't self esteem
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  Speaker 2: or taking.
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  Speaker 1: Now both y'all drinking at the same time on that one, like, well,
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  Speaker 1: that was delicious yep.
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  Speaker 2: And on that note, while we're talking, Welcome to this
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  Speaker 2: week's episode of Wine and Audacity to the podcast. Her
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  Speaker 2: name is brainis car oh motherfucker, and I'm joined by
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  Speaker 2: two of my favorite people in the world. How a
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  Speaker 2: y'all feeling this week?
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  Speaker 1: I might oh the.
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  Speaker 2: Good So in case I can't tell, for the first
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  Speaker 2: time in season three, our good friends Saint Grisha has
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  Speaker 2: made her reappearance and he's delicious and it's delicious.
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  Speaker 3: That's a lot sweet tea that time. It ain't no,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he tried something different. They were good though,
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  Speaker 3: you hear me?
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean what we we just ate it's and
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  Speaker 2: we all we're all alert, but you know, give us
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  Speaker 2: maybe thirty minutes might start slurn.
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  Speaker 5: So my man, so you bitch? And he sean, why
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  Speaker 5: are you looking at a microphone?
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  Speaker 1: Man? So what's my niggas?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I ain't ship, you know what I mean?
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: You know in the world some people president this orange
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: again Bottomore cans with the MLK Day parade because of
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  Speaker 1: the weather.
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  Speaker 2: Again, do you realize we can't talk about current of
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  Speaker 2: miss By the time it comes out, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: fucking mid February.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine. I just want y'all to know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, since y'all know, since she spoiled it, well,
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  Speaker 2: guess what we can talk about current stuff because today's
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  Speaker 2: date that we're recording this is January eighteenth. But y'all
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  Speaker 2: won't hear this, so.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say nothing. I was just gonna go a nigga.
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  Speaker 2: You already said it, so we even though y'all hear this,
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  Speaker 2: well after the inauguration, that man is due to get
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  Speaker 2: inaugurated indoors in two days, and.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, breaking Baltimore Martin Luther King Parade because of the weather.
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  Speaker 1: If Martin didn't go through worse, y'all could break the
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  Speaker 1: weather for a little while. Bundle up. They got heated
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  Speaker 1: courtless blankets at the Walmart. Go get one. Mm hmm,
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  Speaker 1: I got my brother one for criminal. No, what's birthday?
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: Well just like three weeks before Christmas?
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  Speaker 4: So so basically Christmas?
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  Speaker 1: What else? But what else? Is New Baltimore about to
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  Speaker 1: rise up on b g N.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about it, saying that ship bro so the
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  Speaker 2: cool our local. Yeah, here in our area, we have
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  Speaker 2: a combined utility called Baltimore Gas and Electric. Wires down
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  Speaker 2: red alert, don't go near, get some help, better.
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  Speaker 1: Rush and do not do not, do not touch. G
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  Speaker 1: knows what us.
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  Speaker 2: That's our request some.
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  Speaker 1: Help better, rush and do not, do not, do not touch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess that that commercial.
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  Speaker 4: The sky.
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  Speaker 2: On Facebook, people are posting like their more stories, and
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, in a lot of states, people
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  Speaker 2: have like what you need, oh, sant Grecia. You know,
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  Speaker 2: in different places, different like industries are unregulated or they're
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  Speaker 2: deregulated the way they can charge whatever you whatever they want.
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  Speaker 2: I know, if you're from Detroit, I know, or from
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  Speaker 2: Michigan Auto insurances, it has been deregulated, so it's expensive.
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  Speaker 2: It's hell to register your car or to ensure your
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  Speaker 2: car in Michigan. Here in Maryland, our utilities of the
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  Speaker 2: utility companies are deregulated. So people are complaining about vg
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  Speaker 2: E bills again, which is a combined gas and electric
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  Speaker 2: utility company for bills. I've seen bills people complaining about
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  Speaker 2: bills online upwards of five, six, seven, eight, twelve, fourteen,
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  Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars bills for one month of service for
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  Speaker 2: their homes.
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  Speaker 1: I looked at my most recent one because I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to pay a bill lax month because I had
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  Speaker 1: a credit and my most recent bill was for twenty seven.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry what I had, but I had like a
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  Speaker 1: grant that I had gotten, so I haven't had to
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  Speaker 1: pay a bill like a little bit of time. You
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  Speaker 1: said twenty seven. And when I looked and seen where
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  Speaker 1: most of it was coming from, it was gas. It
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  Speaker 1: was gas. I'm like, what the fuck if I use
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  Speaker 1: gas and my stove is gased? I think my heat
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: and I run on games probably and the dryer. But
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty seven dollars, So I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out how that's going to affect me. Because I
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  Speaker 1: got budget billing, so it went up once before, so
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna see what happened. But how do you expect
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  Speaker 1: people to pay that?
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  Speaker 2: I so I only have my place only has electric, right,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have gas here, And I guess I'm grateful
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  Speaker 2: because I county my place. My last I think was
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  Speaker 2: maybe in again because I pay us my bill. Again,
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  Speaker 2: it's just me and my house. I paid one fifty
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  Speaker 2: a month on my bill regardless of what it is,
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  Speaker 2: so especially in those months like in the between, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like let's say October November, when the temperature gets to
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  Speaker 2: be about fifty degrees sixty degrees and it's comfortable and
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  Speaker 2: you can set the fan run and might have to
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  Speaker 2: have heat a cool on. My bill will be like
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  Speaker 2: eighty five dollars, seventy dollars for a month, But I
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  Speaker 2: still put them one fifty on it because I know,
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  Speaker 2: come December of January when them bills start approaching two
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  Speaker 2: hundred dollars over dropping, I've been stacking up for all
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  Speaker 2: those months, but basically cover it so I don't get,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Stick a shot. That's smart.
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  Speaker 2: So I think with the overage I had, my bill
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  Speaker 2: that I had to pay was like one twenty something
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  Speaker 2: for electric. But and I keep my house. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they complained about my house being cold. It's not too
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  Speaker 2: bad that they Actually I still got a hoodie on them.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: We all have hoodies on in paints. Well, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he don't believe in coats.
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  Speaker 1: Iron a hoodie in fleece line leggings. I mean, but
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  Speaker 1: are you comfortable?
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: I am, okay, flee goddamn and first slippers, first slippers.
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  Speaker 2: I think my there was a couple of years ago
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  Speaker 2: when we had that cold snack for like almost two
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  Speaker 2: or three weeks from the temperature was like four degrees
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  Speaker 2: in the wind show was like negative fifteen. My bill
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  Speaker 2: got up to about like maybe two twenty five two
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  Speaker 2: thirty then, and that's the highest it's ever been. And
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: then it you know, that's me keeping the thermosat on
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  Speaker 2: like sixty nine to seventy degrees pretty much daily. But
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  Speaker 2: seeing those people complain on mine about twelve fourteen, sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen hundred dollars utility bills, it's like, how do they
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  Speaker 2: expect people to pay pay those?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna say, Luigi, they're.
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  Speaker 2: Free, luigimis I mean, maybe maybe they need to some
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  Speaker 2: people maybe need to file like a class action shoot
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  Speaker 2: suiting federal maybe because I don't see how it could
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  Speaker 2: cost people that much to get natural gas delivered to
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  Speaker 2: their house for more. Now, I know, to be fair,
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: as a person who works in construction, they didn't knows
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  Speaker 2: about houses. I'm sure some houses are old as hell,
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: some houses are drafty. People don't you know, they could
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: insulatet their houses better. But again, the cost to just
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  Speaker 2: cover it is exorbitant.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks ridiculous?
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  Speaker 2: What types of bills of y'all been saying from black
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  Speaker 2: people in like conversations.
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  Speaker 1: That I toiled twelve hundred dollars bill, So somebody who
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  Speaker 1: said that bill went from one something to almost five
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  Speaker 1: it's been a lot.
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  Speaker 3: At one point, my sister in old three thousand for
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  Speaker 3: I think no, but I just think that. I was
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  Speaker 3: just like, like, you know, non payment for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I told y'all I had an issue with them
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  Speaker 1: because when I bought my house and I transferred my
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  Speaker 1: services from my old apartment, they only transferred my electric
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  Speaker 1: for some reason, and I had gas and electric at
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: my apartment. So I understand why they did that, and
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't catch it till one of them people came
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: around who were trying to get you to get enderg
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  Speaker 1: saving and all of the other stuff. And she looked
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: at my bills. She's like, you know, me have electric.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: I was like no, and she was like, oh, well
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: that's all they're charging you for. So I was like okay,
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: and I called and contacted them and they tried to
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  Speaker 1: give me the whole bill at one time. No, that's
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  Speaker 1: your fault. There's your fault. Y'all not trying to. I
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: fought and fought and fought with them people for the longest,
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: and then they put me on the payment plan and
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, I shouldn't have to pay it at all.
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  Speaker 1: That was your fault.
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  Speaker 4: That's also that's all sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's it's it's been tough.
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  Speaker 3: But I feel like, I mean, I feel like in
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  Speaker 3: situations like that, it's like, you know, they fucked up
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  Speaker 3: on the back end, so.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, so it's like, oh, oh, so.
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  Speaker 3: One know, I mean, you know, you still got to
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  Speaker 3: pay this, and it's like, nah, nigga, you fucked up.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have your service directly coming from BG or
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  Speaker 2: from like a secondary provider, No, mind.
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  Speaker 1: Comes strictly from me. I did the thing with the
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  Speaker 1: second with the provider before, and it doesn't matter because
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  Speaker 1: you still have to pay Bjeath for delivery, right, so
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  Speaker 1: it does not matter. So my bill actually was higher, not.
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  Speaker 2: Long because you're paying basically paying a third party company
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  Speaker 2: extra money.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I tried all of that. So what's the book
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  Speaker 1: of your bill?
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  Speaker 2: If you said your electric bill was how much the
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  Speaker 2: portion of electric was what ninety dollars mm hm and
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: how much was the gas.
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  Speaker 1: Three thirty one ninety six dollars and then three thirty
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  Speaker 1: one and they charged you how much your fee, taxes
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  Speaker 1: and fees? I don't see that on the second page,
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  Speaker 1: but the bill and then I'm not saying for somebody,
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  Speaker 1: I don't see the second page, but yeah, that's what that.
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  Speaker 1: So I haven't gotten a bill for January yet, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but that was my December bill, and my January bill
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  Speaker 1: I think comes later this month, next week, I think. So, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if I look like anything like anybody else, look, I'm
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: gonna go off because it's it's ridiculous. Nobody can pay that,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Like they should not be able to do that. Why
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: are they going up so high?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that that ship is something else.
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  Speaker 2: I honestly don't even know what to say, to be honest,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: how much you got to pay a lot?
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: How much they charge you a lot.
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  Speaker 1: People is astronomical. So I won't behead for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I saw people complaining y'all need to we need to
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: get rid of Brandon Scott because I b G bills
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  Speaker 2: was high. I didn't want to be the person that
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: was on the post lie mm hmm. That ship to
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  Speaker 2: do Brandon Scott. The city doesn't own to operate Baltimore
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  Speaker 2: Gas Electric. I mean Baltimore wasn't a name, but that's
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  Speaker 2: a that's a totally different.
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  Speaker 4: But it's one of the things, like you know, you
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  Speaker 4: know that you know that nigga payd BG niggas right.
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  Speaker 1: He has a bill. You know he got too. They
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: probably sucking him up to mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Just because you're the mayor, bitch and you didn't give
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: us that last discount we asked search us on your bill,
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  Speaker 2: your big afro having nigga?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, yo, can you can you imagine be Scott? Be
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Scott actual five out? Like what the what is this?
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  Speaker 4: You know what you did?
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  Speaker 2: You know what you did, bitch? You know what you did,
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  Speaker 2: your big head bitch.
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  Speaker 1: No yeah, yeah DG.
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  Speaker 3: And the probably fucking him like fucking him royally like
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  Speaker 3: for the city like this this one for the city
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  Speaker 3: actual file like actually five fifty like.
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  Speaker 1: Just because we can what's this? Taxes and fees but
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: taxes than fees.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Uh, the nigga, I need a vacation fee shipping and
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: handle up the Amazon delivery feed. We run your power
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: to your house, back to Calvert Cliffs and then back
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: to your house. Feed the bay Bridge replacement feed even
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: though we don't have nothing to do with the bay Bridge,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: and then improment the seas just because we feel like it.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Feed the big foot, feed the big Afro fee bridge
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: key bitch bridge fee replacement costs, and then the Thursday feed.
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  Speaker 1: Effect that I had to tape this ship up in
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: the computer to put it out to send it to
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  Speaker 1: you fee, pain and suffering, paying and suffering. Feed. I
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: hit my toe this more while I was getting ready
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  Speaker 1: for work. Feed. Yeah, they said no.
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  Speaker 3: They said, you looking at you like you ain't read
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  Speaker 3: the terms and conditions Nigga.
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  Speaker 2: On page seventy seven, paragraph subsection B, it says, Nigga
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  Speaker 2: be gonna charge you whatever the fuck we want. Just
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: be the only game in town. You don't like it,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: move somewhere else.
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  Speaker 4: True shit.
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  Speaker 3: Until somebody come up with a different electric company, they
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  Speaker 3: can't true ship.
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  Speaker 4: Damn.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have.
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  Speaker 2: They have they unless Pepco and BG emerged to form
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: one larger utility company, which I don't think happen. I mean,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: technically they both owned and operated by by Excellent, so
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: they could merge the two, I guess to make them more.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: That's GEP COO, nigga.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: They can go to hell is what they can do.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't see a change coming to BGE or or. You know,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: you gotta feel like if your bill is high, reach
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: out to the Maryland Public Service Commission.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: They approve the ship. They did, But.
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  Speaker 2: If multiple people are complaining this to them, saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I have a twelve hundred dollar utility bill from my
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: house and I can't afford to pay this, and people
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: are coming to them complaining and saying, hey, we can't
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: afford these utility bills. What the fuck y'all gonna do
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: about this?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: About to get generators? True natural gas? Right, they're gonna help.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: What you want? Dragon in a in a radio fire
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: wagon down to the excellent? Can I get sixteen on
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: pop too? Car?
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Hey y'all niggas just standing there and ship like, where's
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: your car?
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Feeling that my generator?
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, no, nigga like you bullshit?
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Buh.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: It is people out here that's actually I'm actually doing.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: They they put guys and little tens so they get
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: them so they can hit.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: They generally give me a solar panel.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I say, have you reached out to the
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Marimal hober service com. It's shown them. Maybe that's something
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: like a course of action you can take to.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I fought with them before about my when they
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: sent me the highest damn gas bill and the determined
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: not a goddamn thing. The only thing I ended up
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: getting with them and putting it on a payment plan.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: They refused to lower it or get rid of it anything,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: even though it was their damn fault.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Yep, it meant nothing.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Well do you either commit or admit? And they committing
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: too that ship, that's your fault. I bet you shouldn't.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't have your heat on eighty motherfucker.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: First of all, my heat is only on seventy six
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: because it get cooled upstairs.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: So you shouldn't have your heat on eighty.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: So you're ready to get into this just heavy ass topic. Yep,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: we got so let's do all.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Right, y'all.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I hate to say this or hate to start off
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: with this, but happy Black History Month. You know this February,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and in honor of Black History Month, I wanted to
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: pick a topic that resonated with us as black millennials.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: It's something that hit a little close to home, kind
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: of sort of so I asked Shauna and Aaron for ideas,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: and we settled on reviewing the case of the Exonerated five.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Now it was initially the case was initially called the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Central Park Jogger case, but in a lot of popular
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: and popular culture, especially to people who aren't from New York,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: it became known as the case of the Central Park five.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: So let me pull up this quick synopsis. Do bow,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I'm loving it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Wow. Okay, hold one.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, So this says, and of course this is from Wikipedia.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Don't judge me the first. I'll review multiple cases. But
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: this provided a pretty solid synopsis without you know, reading
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: sixty five pages of stuff. So the Central Park Jogger Case,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: sometimes termed the Central Park five case, was a criminal
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: case reserning the assault and rape of Tricia Maylee, a
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: woman who was running in Central Park in Manhattan on
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: April nineteenth, nineteen eighty nine. Crime in New York City
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: was peaking in the light late nineteen eighties and early
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: nineteen nineties as the crack epidemic surged. On the night
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Maylee was attacked, dozens of teenagers had entered the park,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: and there were reports of muggings and physical assaults. Six
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: teenagers were indicted in relation to the Meine assault. Charges
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: against one Steven Lopez were dropped after Lowpe has pleaded
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: guilty to a different assault. The remaining five Andro McCrae,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Kevin Richardson, Yusuf Salaam, Raymond Santana, and Corey Wise known
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: as the Central Park Five, later known as the Exonerated five,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and from here on out we will be referring to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: them as the exonerated five because that's what they are,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and were convicted of the charge defenses and served sentences
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: ranging from seven to thirteen years more than a decade
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: after the attack. While incarcerated for attacking five other women.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty nine, serial rapist Mattias Reyes confessed to
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the Maine assault and said he was the only actor.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: D Anda evidence confirmed his involvement. The convictions against McCrae, Richardson, Salaam, Santana,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and Wise were vacated in two thousand and two. Lopez's
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: convictions were were vacated in July twenty twenty two. From
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the outset, the case was a topic of national interest.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Initially a few public discourse about New York City's perceived lawlessness,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: criminal behaviors by youths and violence toward women. After the exonerations,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the case became a prominent example of racial profiling, discrimination,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: and inequality in the legal system and the medium. All
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: five defendants sued the City of New York for malicious prosecution,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: racial discrimination, and emotional distress. The city settled the suit
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen for forty one million dollars, which I believe,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: per my research, that equated to one million dollars per
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: person per year for every year that they were in prison.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: They deserved more, damn.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And I think it was I think it was Juseph
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Salam who said even all the money in the world
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to make it for the years that
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: were lost. Yeah, So who wants to talk? So in
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: order for us to have, you know, something to talk about,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: or to have subject matters to talk about, I asked
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Shawna and Aaron to watch the PBS documentary the entitleed
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: The Central Park Five, which detailed the history of each
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: of the exoneratd five. Members of the Exonerator five laid
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: out the course of events of that night, that faithful night,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the subsequent indictments, convictions, arrest, and exoneration. So Seana, can
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: you go through the documentary and tell me your thoughts.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I'm pissed off. Okay, that's all I got. I'm pissed off.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I need a little bit money. Watching these young boys
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: be coursed into not only confessing to a crime, but
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: implicating other people and said crime, watching them sit and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: talk to the DA and Holladay and her ex and
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I think it was Raymond o'crey where they threatened or
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: primised anything and they said no. But they were watching
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: their parents break down the way that they did, the sisters,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the family members who couldn't readily believe the dead children, everybody.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people think their kids are innocent,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: but in this case they were right and just sitting
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: there knowing that these detectors and stuff were so eager
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to close this case, especially because it was this innocent,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: well to do, educated white woman who was attacked. But
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: at the same time, in the Bronx, another woman was
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: attacked and thrown off of a roof. They didn't cover
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: her rape at all. They focused on the Central Park
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: five because of the location, because that woman was white
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and the alleged suspects were of Latino or African American descent.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: To see to know that this was in nineteen eighty nine,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: when we were two years old, going three, We were
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: going on three, None of us were three. Yeah, it
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: was in April nineteen eighty years two. All of us
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: were still two years old.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: And to now be almost forty tick a debreath, Sis
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: is fine.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm getting mad all over again. To now be,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: as Brandon said, almost forty years old, and to know
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that shit like that is still going on in certain
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: states and countries and cities, and to be the mother
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of a teenage boy, and to worry every time my
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: son steps his foot out the door. It was a lot.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It was a lot to watch, seeing those boys backgrounds
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and seeing that they weren't really boys who were in trouble.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: They were typical teenage boys hanging out with their friends.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: All of them didn't even know each other. Some mom
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: did go to school together or grew up together, but
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: like Raymond, didn't really know anybody like that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, niggas, they didn't really know each other.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And to have them turn and loud on each other.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You gave them each other's names, You went in there
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: telling them, oh well, he already told us what happened,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: So you, Barber, should get in front of it and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: tell us what happened. Tell us he the one that
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: did it, Say that he didn't raate this down. Do
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you know how many other innocent people were probably in
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: jail who did not get the chance to put their innocence,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: people who had been executed, And to sit here and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: just watch that and to know that nobody was held accountable,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: not the DA, not the not the detectives, not not
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: none of them. None of them were held accountable for
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: what they did to those boys. And I'm sure that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: they weren't the only ones. That they did that shit too.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: They were just eager to close that case. And they
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: was gonna blame any niggas that they got a hold
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of first, Or if it wasn't Corey and Raymond and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Kevin and and Tron and you, it would have been
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: five other ones. It would have been five other ones
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: whoever they got their hands on first. He just happened
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to get to them first. Period. It was hard to watch,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and it was hard to watch.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: I think the thing, I think the thing that fucked
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: me up was Corey.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Poor Corey.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Corey went in like Corey went in at just
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: the old Bible witness.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Just just the you know, because his homeboy was going
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: and and it's crazy as ship.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Same thing with yourself.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Nah, they pulled up yourself.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: They went to the house and it was people outside
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of one of their apartments and they told him he
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: can ride down with him if he wanted to, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: he said he didn't come home to seven years later.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: That's what you upset in that documentary last night.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: And that ship ain't I mean, like yo, that ship.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: That ship was just I mean, the whole thing was
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: crazy and the whole time like like yeah, I couldn't.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I couldn't. I couldn't get through the whole documentary.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Lying to their mothers. Oh if you tell us what happened,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you can go home once.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: You once they started doing the interrogation and and it's like, yo,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: once then you watch the actual like we all you know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: you had us watch when they say this, but you
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: but we like when you see it in the movie
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: versus when you see it like watching it real time
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: and you watching these little boys, you need an actual
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: like yo, And that that ship it was it was.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: It was painful because and I couldn't get through the
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: whole documentary.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Like I stopped at the I stopped that. I stopped it.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: I started keep inrogations because.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: It was hard to watch, Like I was getting emotional.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you watch the little boys like you you see
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: how scared they are.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: You see you can tell they were being coerced because
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: of the way they were speaking. You can tell they
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: was just mimicking what they were told to say, especially
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: like watching Raymond Santana, like he was just saying and
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: he was asking question. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that's what happened. Oh yeah, such and such, touching for oh,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I just touched the Teddies. Oh I just I just
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: did this. And he kept You can see him looking
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: at him to make sure he was saying the right thing.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: That Shi. It was hard to watch. They didn't know
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: their rights. They didn't know they could have lawyers present.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: They they didn't know their rights.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I think I agree with what you what you were saying,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: but I think from the beginning you could obviously tell that.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I think the documentary, which was I think produced and
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: directed by Kim Burns, who was an amazing documentarian, it
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: outlined this like the state of New York city at
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: that time, and it talked about how with the you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the the stock market boom or economic boom in the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: cities of the of the early eighties, which continued, there
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: were huge disparities in wealth between the super wealthy people
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: who worked on Wall Street financiers and people who worked
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: in banks, to the poorer people who lived, you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: on the outskirts. You know, this was right after the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: start of the crack epidemic, so I think occurring also
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: at the same time, especially in parts of the Bronx,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: which I mean is coincidental but not coincidental, there were
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: huge waves of arson and people basically burning buildings down
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: for insurance payments, and there was no massive poverty at
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the time, and there was a perception of black and
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: brown kids that you know, unfortunately, in a lot of way,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: it still carries on today. And I think this case,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: like you mentioned earlier, about that case in the Bronx
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: where a woman was raped and thrown off of the
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: roof of a building, it did not get nearly as
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: much pressed because the woman was black and I think
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: her assailant was also black, But because this woman was
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: white and the teenagers or the accused were black and Hispanic.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: It tacked into that racial fear of those monsters. Those
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: kids are those you know whatever, whatever these demon sies.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: What about the not raising your kids in your home?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: What's happening in the home.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: The now president putting out a full page and call them,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: calling for their execution, and even dren and even after
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: they were found to be innocence and then said he
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: still refuses to apologize. He won't apologize because we're we
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: We're considered guilty until proven innocent, not the other way
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: around like it's supposed to be in the justice system.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: The justice system failed them. Some other people failed them
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: who failed to have that back. You know, I it
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: was hard to watch again being the mother of a
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: teenage boy living in Baltimore with a crime rate is
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: so high, and my son is always wondering.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Why as people as they portrayed to be.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: To an extent, Yes, you're very true, that's umber numbers
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: have went down pretty much everything numbers have went down,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: they have. But again, the innocent people lives are being
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: taken every day. And it's not just in Baltimore his
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: averywhere it had an incident in another part of Maryland
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: where a man decided that he got mad and decided
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to shoot his his his wife, and his one and
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: four year old and then try to take yourself out.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: The four year oldest the only one who didn't survive,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And and for what Because you were mad, You were
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: mad over an argument, you decided to try to take
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the whole family out. So it's it's it's stuff everywhere.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: But I say that the same like it didn't stop then.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: It didn't stop then, and it's still going on. We
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: still have innocent people being murdered by police, by trigger
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: happy ass people who have don't have any consequences. We
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: still have the Trayvons and the Mike Browns, and the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Tamir Races and the Oscar Grants and the Filando Castiles
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: and the Brianna Taylors and Sandra Blands and all murdered
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: for things that they did not do, they did not commit,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: all because of the color of their skin. This ship
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: is hard to to process. It's hard to process. And
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: then you turn to rown and elect a sunburn racist
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: into office. It's not going to get better if not.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I think, going back to a point you you initially mentioned,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I think that, like you said, it was given all
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: of what you We both just explained the overall point
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: in that is you have these kids and these families
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: who are unaware of the justice system and how it worked.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: We know now as adults in our thirties years later,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: that you know, children aren't supposed to I don't think
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: it's even legal for them now to be to be
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: questioned by police without a parent being present.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: It's not It was I only telling myself and if
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: you found yourself in this situation, comply and then ask
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: for a lawyer. We didn't get to jail X for
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: your mama and your lordy. I don't give a damn
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: if you're thirty five X for a lawyer. They didn't know.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I think those kids didn't know that they could ask
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: for legal representation.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I think they were big questions. I only saw it
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: in one video. I think when she was talking to
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Corey and she was introducing herself, saying who she was saying,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: who was in the room, she did mirandized him. She
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: did tell him he had recorded part, but prior to that,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: when she was asking him questions, or whoever with the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: detectives was asking him questions, they did not tell him
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: he had the right to a lawyer, a right to
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: you know, the right to remain silent. All that. They
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: didn't tell him that, but she told him that doing
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that recording because she had to cover her ass.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: But I think from what they explained, those those kids
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: were broken down, and I think the reason why, and I.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Think they middety four hour was no food.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: No food, no water. They were basically being questioned by
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: police sleep.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: The pride the parent wouldn't let the parents in the.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Room, right, and they were gunning for a conviction by
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: any means necessary.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And like you said earlier, if it wasn't the five
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: of them, it would have been five other guys.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yep. That's what they got their hands on first and
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: only when they got off was low Paz. But he
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of course confessed to another crime. We don't even know
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: if he committed that one.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yes, that's when I learned about that that
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: read what they called the read technique. That was the
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: whole setup to get them to get dinner so so
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: so get then to confess.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: And it was funny.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I mean it was crazy because it's like right after
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: that I looked it up, like when the guy was
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: like in the movie when the guy said the red
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: technique was as highly illegal.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, so I looked it up and I'm like,
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: oh wow.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Then it was like, you know, the first steps was
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: to develop a thing, then present then present present alternative
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: questions of your phone.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: You tell me to get off my phone.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: My phone hasn't gone off once to be recording. That's
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the number two for you.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Si okay, handled handled the niles and create an opportunity
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: to confess and and you know most of the most
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: of the things was depriving them, like depriving them asleep,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: depriving them asleep, not letting them get any water, not
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: let them get anything to eat, and and isolate and isolation.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: And it's like, yo, I mean ship at the at
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: the almost forty eight hours of that ship, I'm I
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: did I can.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Understand to say anything?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Can You watched and you watched them, you washed them,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: say it to the to the youngest, Yo, My man
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: was fourteen and you already like and that that ship
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: alone is illegal like you he I mean the leg
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: the legal agents was sixteen, consent was sixteen.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean I'm just saying it's like you know,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: like im like certain places got like certain places got
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: an age like my age like ag of majority, No,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: like where they don't necessarily consider them, like you know,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: you don't really consider my minders, Like I remember what
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: they said, So.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I think that's the age of the age of majority.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And I think that and certainly it depends. Remember I
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: think watching the documentary said that Corey four, the five
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: of them were sent to juvenile attention because they were
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: under under sixteen, but sixteen sixteen they said in the
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Rikers Island, and he was tried as an adult in
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: the case, So I think states which is why he served. Yeah,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: you're tried as an adult start at sixteen.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Now that one killed me because it was like, yo,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: he's sixteen going to an adult prison like you already.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, we hear stories like we hear stories and
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: hell in the same beyond scared straight with the little
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: with the little motherfuckers is like like sixteen seventeen years
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: old and the inmates is telling them, oh, when you
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: come in here, we fucking you up.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: And then because I'm not built for prison.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: And then because they because they got slapped with rape
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: and and and and the sexual sex offender like yo,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: day like as soon as he walked in it was
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: it was on site, and I felt like, yo, I
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: felt I felt for him, you know, and then you.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I know I robbed, robbed the liquor store
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, knocked the old ladyout and you know
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But you raped.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: No.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: But you know what's one is worse than other, y'all
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: both as criminals.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Nah, but that's I mean, but that's the hierarchy, or
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: that's the that's that's the classicism. And in the criminal world,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: like yo, were not old lady, you know, not women
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: and child in.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: The white collar crimes, you actually killed somebody's grandmother.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with right?
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Like you big.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: As a bam, But nah, but it had like to watch,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, no, watch his portrayal and how you know
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: he got there and because he would because his case
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: was high his case was high profile. Everybody knew who
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: the fuck he was. And when he got there, he
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: got fucked up every day.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: They all said that they essentially, of course going to prison.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Of course, I'm sure it's horrible, but they all said
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: they had essentially grow up fast in order to survivingate
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: and they didn't go to jail for a month or two.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: They would in jail. Think the shortest conviction was seven.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Years, Yeah, so long as was thirteen.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: The Corey Wire served thirteen, the other four served seven
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: and they were all home by I think nineteen ninety seven,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: and unfortunately the only person. And he explained it in
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the documentary, which I think came out in twenty It
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: came out in like twenty eleven or twenty twelve, maybe.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Raymond Santana said, you know, he got home from from work,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I mean from prison. He missed the chance to go
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: to college. I think they had finished the program by
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: the time he decided to enroll in it. But I
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: think Kevin Richardson is twenty twelve. Kevin Richardson and used
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: to Salon. Both you know went to college and received
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: college degrees while in prison. But Raymond Santana said that
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: he couldn't participate because he missed it. He said he
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: came on from from he sat college. He came on
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: from prison and couldn't find work. And after months and
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: months of searching for work, searching for work, feeling like
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: he was being a burden of his family, he resorted
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: to selling drugs in order to make money, and he
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: ultimately ended up going back to prison because he got
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: caught on.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: A drug charge.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Yo ooh, that movie burned me up, Dad, That were
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: one part That one part of the movie burnt me up?
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Because why did it burn you up?
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Because of his stepmother because she said I called your
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: parolos and told him that she was dealing drugs.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, you wanted that nigga out your house.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: He got out your house. It's like, damn, bro.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, granted, he was wrong, like like like he
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: was wrong.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: And I understand he felt victim of circumstances because he's
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: seen that check he got and was like, I can't
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: do shit with this. So it's like, what you mean
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: the check he got he went to remember he yeah, yeah,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: like yeah, like a little job. Then he went and
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: got his check. In the movie, he went and got
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: his check.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: We're talking about the documentary, So I'll say I told
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Seanna yesterday that I couldn't. I wasn't planning to watch
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: them when They See Us. Okay, I only watched the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: documentary documentary because When They See Us was.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Like ten eight ten episodes for four but EG one
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: was like an hour.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Sorry, and it's it was a dramatization of actual events,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: whereas this document detailed what exactly happen.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Right right, So I mean, but that's what I'm saying, So.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: As a like, you know, but it it showed, you know,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: it showed, It showed, it showed the pain of like
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: coming home and then your whole house is like, yo,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: your whole house has changed, and then like, Pops is.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Okay with you coming home?
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: But he didn't tell his wife that he was coming home,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: and it's like, Yo, he's in the house that he
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: grew up in. That everybody and everybody and they god
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: damn cousin then fucking shit up and then they started
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: messing with him. So he he was coming, he was
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: clashing with this like classroom with a stuff.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think people understand or realize the fact that
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: coming home from prison, and of course I'm speaking as
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: a person who's never been in prison, but I'm sure
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: coming home from doing a bid in prison, especially if
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: you're in prison multiple years and you realize when you
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: come out that life has gone on for everybody else.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: You've been in one place or in prison for however
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: many years, but when you come out, you realize that
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: people have grown up, people's lives have gone on, they've
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: done different things. People move, people past, people get married,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: people separate, lives change, and you come home to a
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: house that isn't the same house.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: It may physically be the same building.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: But it's not that it's not the hard.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Right exactly, And that fucks with people's minds in a
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: lot of ways because it's like, damn like.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, for a lot of them, I'm surprised, Yeah,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised that you know that it was a it
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't an okay adjustment for some of them, And I
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: understand and I understand for the for the others that
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: if it wasn't you know, if it wasn't an adjust
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: like if they wasn't able to make that adjustment.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: And this sh it is just recidivism is a thing.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: It's people, you know, they end up going coming out
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and going back yo.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's I mean, but it's it's crazy. I mean,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: but it's also crazy how how crazily hard it is too,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: I mean hard for them to get a job, especially
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: if you got it, especially if you gotta admit, like
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: you know, on the applications you got you gotta admit
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: that I.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Never understand that, because how do you expect people to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: become prehability and do something different, but then you won't
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: hire them so that they can work and earn money.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: And then they turn around and end up doing the
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: same exact ship because they can't make money that they've
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: done before to survive. And then you're saying, see what
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, they can't be regabilitated, but you wouldn't hire
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: him so he can work a record job he can.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful that especially nowadays in twenty twenty five and
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty you know in today's era that a lot
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: of prisoners are coming out and starting re entry programs,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: and a lot of governments are launching re entry programs,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: and you have businesses who only hire, you know, people
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: who are out of jail to give them a start
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: to get back out into you know, the working world.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Because they understand I mean, they are they are understanding
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: of I mean. But what you learn, I mean, what
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: you learned later on is it's not exactly it's not
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: exactly that you've been locked up.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: It's what you got locked up for.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: And a lot of places, like a lot of places
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: would would hire would.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Hire you especially.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I mean if you don't, like, if it's like a
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: non violent crime, you got that if you didn't if
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: you didn't hurt them, uh Like for like I'll say
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: in the childcare feel, as long as it long as
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: you don't have nothing, I mean you could have like
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: a like a little like something on your record or whatever.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: But as long as it's nothing that's like non violent
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: or putting kids, like endangering kids, they're pretty you know,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: you can pretty much you pretty much have a chance
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: of being you know, have a chance of being higher.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Like you know, places like McDonald's, burger King, same thing.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: It's like, as long as like nothing.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: But why should that be the only place people could
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: be relegated?
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: True, But that's all it need to.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Be taking out the application because at the end of
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the day, the fucking president is a fucking feeling. I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: no longer be applications.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is I mean, this is
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: this is a new president. Bro, Like this a new president.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: But you're also not wrong. I mean, yeah, you're not wrong.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: If a president could be a felon.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: You running from you are in the highest office in
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the freaking world.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: I'll say this though, I'll tell you this, That's what
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: But home depot on me because I'm a fella. Make
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: them make a fella says who you beat up? Oh,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I ain't been cooling my crime the I do for jail.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Take a pause for the constant defenses.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Just gotta play your safe, no face, no case.
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: Allegedly allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly allegedly.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: No, but I will not sugar foot. No.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Got a point though, Brandon got a point to why
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: if I'm getting out of jail, why am I regulated
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: like about all gotta be regulated to like fast fulld
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: But I can't you know, you know, I believe that
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: the ones that are actually trying to say rehabilitated, yo,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: all they need is a chance to like a chance
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: to show, I mean, the chance to prove that you know,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: they can they can do what they say they don't
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: they can do what they say to do, because if
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: they can't, I mean, honestly, they.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Got niggas, they got them learning trades in jail.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: It's the point of them learning them working.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: For pennies an hour right hour?
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Mm hm, and that and that ship.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I ain't saying letting no sex offenite, come home and
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: work in the damn day. Kidn't know what I'm saying. No,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: that's dead, because hell no, that's dead. But absolutely somebody
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: with is no. No, right, that's not what I'm saying.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: But you pee on the sidewalk one time and they
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: just poppy for having your dick out. Right now, I'm
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: a sex offender because because I got.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: A small bladder, you know what's crazy. And that's the
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: funk that I don't have. That's not me. I just no, no, no, no,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying not, but it's it's really no.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: But I've in my.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Many you know, my many jobs that I've had over
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: the last like fifteen sixteen, yeah, true ship, over the
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: last film over the past few years, though, I have
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: learned that some people get on that list and it'll
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: be in it.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: And it was for like something like just just.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Just like out of this world, like you know, like
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Briandon just said, like yo, they took it. They peed
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: and it was like yeah, yeah, and motherfucker like and
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: then like what are you doing? Like what the fuck fuck?
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: I had to take right like like I couldn't like look, look,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I couldn't look like officer, I couldn't hold it. I
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: decided to go, like you do notice the school, like
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: I wasn't even thinking about that.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. And then it's like right, like.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: It was like come on down, yeah, come on with it,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: right and that'd be that's crazy right on some real
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: ship though, And but it's like I've learned, like I've
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: learned because like one of my one of the jobs
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: we worked there to work with kids that got labeled
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: like that, and it was just like something like, you know,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: just just all something crazy and then they then they
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: get slapped with that. They get slapped with that offender
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: for the rest of that like and for the rest
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: of their life, like kids, you know, kids being like
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: kids being kids, didn't like kids like I don't want
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: to say kids being kids, but it's it's it's just
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: just a circumstance. And then you know, it wasn't like
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: it wasn't necessarily it wasn't malicious or anything like that.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: And then the next thing you know, it's like, now this
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: is this with you for the rest of your life.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: And then you got them, Then you got them who,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: then you got the thesoner Ate of five who they
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: didn't even commit this crime. And they got and they
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: they got hit with sex offender and like and then
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: they got they gotta go to these programs and it's like, yo,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: you then the first thing and the first thing they
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: in the programing and you they telling you that you
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: gotta admit to your crime, like you gotta admit to
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: it and.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: All for parole and stuff.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Are you willing to admit that? Like, are you ready
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: to admit them? Admit to your crime? And my man, like,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: I ain't do that shit.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: No, bitshues, I ain't doing that. Ship. No, I'm not
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: saying I did it?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Sit like nah, fuck that especially I'm i and uh
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: my hat is off to them for them maintaining that,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: maintaining that innocence and yo, and not letting, you know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: not letting this system, not letting the corrupt system corrupt them,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: like not letting letting the system fucking like fuck with
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: their heads because they like like they were kids going in,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: especially your ship, especially Corey being like being as young
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: as he was, going in like going into adult prison
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: many times. Every time you go to parole, like every
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: time you go to parole here, and they like, you know,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: they telling him that he gotta, you know, in order
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: to in order to be considered for considered for parole,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: you gotta admit. You gotta admit to a crime that
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: you didn't you know, you got admit to this crime.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: And it's like, I'm not admitting nothing that I didn't
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: do right, I wouldn't. But to take it back to
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: the top, it's like, yo, the thing that the thing
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: that it taught me is like, now we gotta teach,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: you know, we gotta teach to teach our kids, teach
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: our teach our kids what to say, what what to say,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: what to do, like when they get when they get pulled,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: when they get pulled over, like if you get pulled
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: over by the cops, by all means you gotta.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, this is what you say, this is
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: what you do.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: You comply, and then when you get there like tall,
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: I look at I need I want to I want
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: I want my mom, I want my dad, I need
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: a lawyer. I'm not signing. I'm not signing anything. I'm
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: not speaking. I'm not saying anything else until I get them,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: until I get my mother here.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: But you also have to have to remember that that
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: unfortunately is how to me looking at this case and
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: watching a documentary, it was literally misstep after blunder after
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: misstep after misstep after after blunder after misstep.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: When I think it was Raymond was like not rayming it.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Who wasn't Maybe Antrom was like my lawyer, My lawyer
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: was you know my mom hired was a family attorney,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: but he was actually in a trial asleep, And it
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: was like, well, right, all these adults. And I hate
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: to pend it on on the parents because they clearly
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: they didn't know any better either. But the parents failed
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: their children as well in a lot of ways because
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and of course they can't be held guilty for what
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: they didn't know. I mean, I think it was Usa
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Sala's mother who basically pulled him out of the room
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: and said, no, you're not giving a statement or admitting
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: to anything without a lawyer president And they somehow got
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: confessions out of everybody but him, but he was still
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: ultimately charged because they he was implicated in the case.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I wonder how the case would have played out had
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: all four, all five, the other four parents and families
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: known their rights and basically told them, you're not holding
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: my child in this room without a lawyer. Present without
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: me being in the room to question him. You're not
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: keeping my child in this room for fourteen, sixteen twenty four,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: you know, thirty hours without a meal, without sleep because it's.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: The eight hours, right, no sleep.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: You're not.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: You're basically depriving my child of their rights, no, any
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: person of their rights.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: And that's another that's another thing. You like, what you're
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: doing my.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Son all day? Tell them not my recollection, not to
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: my recollection.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Well, they they implicated what the other person said, the lawyer,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not committingmting.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Lawyer, so la w hyyall lawyer?
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: And so did you get to the part of the
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: documentary where they were actually in the court and they
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: were actually on footage from the trial or the drawings
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: from the trial.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Nah, I ain't see the drawing.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: So that was towards the end of the day.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: My stomach dropped when they made it to the trial
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: and they showed the actual confession to tape confessions from
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine of each kid and they were all
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: so young, and my stomach when they were like, well,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: we had to do the confessions, my stomach was like,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: please don't show the confessions. And the screen change and
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: then it was then back in nineteen I said, fuck
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: And it was hard as hell to watch them.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I was chained smoking the four of.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Them, for of them because again you said, Sali's mother
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: pulled him out and said, no, when you're not interviewing
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: my son, he's not admitted to anything without a lawyer
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: being present, or he's not talking to.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: You about a lawyer being present. I still don't know
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: how he got convicted because.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: The lawyer say, be implicated, yeah, conspiracy.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Like it was.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: It was the report I think from the New York
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Daily News. And she brought up the case in the
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: fact that there was even though there was a public
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: outswell or a public outcry for their convictions, and there
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: were tape confessions, especially nowadays with DNA evidence being so
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: puzzle publicly known, once it came out that the DNA
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: evidence didn't match, or the DNA evidence found on site
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: did not match, then any.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: Of them mm hmm. They should have been.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: They should have been thrown out right there.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, but at least to me, no, no,
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: it should have. But what I realized is is that
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: even though like, even though you're like yo, even though
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: I'm dead wrong, like I'm dead wrong.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Sorry y'all, this is loud.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Welcome back as for season three sat Greasia.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: But even though like and what it showed me was
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: it is like, even though I'm dead wrong, bitch, you're
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: not gonna tell me I'm wrong, I'm gonna put on
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna put it on. I'm gonna put it on
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: a show. And that's I mean to me, that's what
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: they did. Like yo, they put it. They put a
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: whole show on for the for the next for the
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: next ship.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hold on, yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: But it's like, yo, it's like at that point, you
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: know they, I mean, like Prosecution k new they was fuck.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Uh huh, so they hit it. Yeah, and I'm mad,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: I'm playing into this ship you are.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: You too shown? But yeah, I know it's a serious topic.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to provide some levity being absolutely foolish.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: But no, but like real ship though, it's like you like,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Prosecution knew they was fun, especially when they couldn't especially
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: when they couldn't oh my best, it's dribbling out definitely,
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: but per but like yeah, like I said, Prosecution new
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: they was fucked. And because like most of the events,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: like yo, it was no evidence.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: And it was it was circumstantial at best. Right, They
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: found none of the DNA that woman and the.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: White so it was a black or yo, where the
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: fucking sock come from?
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: What's the sock?
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: They said it was sperm and the sock. And then
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: they tested the sperm and they tested they tested them.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: They tested all the kids and it was like the
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: seamen sign with the seeman didn't match any of the kids.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: So it's like, yo, come on, yo, like we'll be
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: reaching for.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: The thing that got me. And I think this is
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: where the lawyers.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Of of of the boys failed them was the fact
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: that the reporter, the white guy who was the reported
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I think also for the New York Daily News, said
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: per this case or per the pictures that were there?
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: And I think did the reporters from the New York
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Daily News go to the crime scene? I know the
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: prosecutors were actually the investigators of the crime, but did
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: the report did the documentary mention that the reporters went
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: to the crime scene?
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I remember from the no, no, no.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: They showed the pictures, the actual pictures from from the
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: crime scene, yes.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if they actually went when there
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: in person. Okay, but they I don remember pictures. I don't,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: so I don't know if they were pictures from like
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: when the story was running or what. I had to
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: think on that for for a second.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, so, but the guy, the male reporter, was like this,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: this area in in in Central Park was like a
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: he said, it was like a fourteen or fifteen foot
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: wide area where she was dragged pulled off the path
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: and dressed it.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Into the underbrush. How can you.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: If you have this roven group of of of wild
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: and teenage boys, did they walk in the single fire
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: line to drag her off the path and then back
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: out a single fire line like you would see fingerprints
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: and especially in terms of a sexual assault with a
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: rape kid. They pulled and samples from under fingernails, They
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: pulling the hit pictures of bruises, They taking the seamen
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: samples and and like skin sample. They're trying to pull
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: anything they can find to basically tie you to this case.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: And none of it matched the five people who were accuged,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: and yet.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Y'all still prosecuted them, found them guilty sentence then yep,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: seven years away from each of them, each of them,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: and it was sad because Raymond said, Tanna was before.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: In the documentary, he said, you know, I've missed out
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: on seven years of my life. He said, at thirty six,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm supposed to be years into a career
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I should be out here living my life. I may be.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Married by now. He said, I'm thirty six and I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: don't have any of that. He said, I missed my youth.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: My youth is gone.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: To me.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Watching watching the documentary, I was literally shocked, shocked in
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: the sense that there was d N it, the fact
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: that there was DNA evidence that did not match match them.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: And y'all still went through with that ship.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: They solely relied on tape confessions and they were found
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: guilty by jewelry.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Of they're not.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Pierced, yo, But that's the fun, like Brandon said, that's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: what that's what the lawyers sucked up. Y y'all shouldn't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: y'all should have pressed that, like YO did come on, YO,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: take confessions that that that the judge made admissible, because don't.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: You judge bat your ship for judge wat ship too.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know how that works, you know, I ain't
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: paid that that I haven't watched a long one in
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: a minute.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: So on to the other day, my DV up recorded no,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm just saying I'm pretty sure.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Like before before y'all, before you prevent.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Dude, dude, don't boom, I.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Said, they watched all the episodes, like, I never seen
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: that ship.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: two separate, equally important groups, the police who investigate crime
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. These are
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: their stories. Boom. I hope I didn't break that.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: But I mean before, yeah, before they before they actually
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: have like, you know, bring it to court. They supposed
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: they're supposed to bring all the ship to the judge
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: and be like for the judge to be like.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: But that is the danger.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: I think when we talked about when the documentary opened,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: explaining the conditions of New York City, of the New
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: York City of the era, and the fact that the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: public wanted their heads to roll, unfortunately, a lot of
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: people's heads were made up before they even a lot
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: of the joys minds were made up before they even
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: went to Troy.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: This this poor, delicate, educated, well to do white woman
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: was attacked by these monsters. Now, while I feel horrible
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: for that woman and she deserved justice, She absolutely deserved
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: justice because what was done to her was I couldn't
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: imagine what that woman went through, what went through her
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: head at that moment, fighting for her fucking life and
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: then laying there until somebody found her, not knowing whether
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: she was going to survive. Her entire life changed that night.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Of course, entire life. She didn't know if she was
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: going to live die. She she still has issues from it.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: She still probably has long term effects from it, even
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: though they did say at the end of the thing
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: and something about her running a marathon, so she has
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: healed mhm to she has healed, but I'm sure she's
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: still his long term effects. That woman did not deserve that,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: and she deserved justice. Nobody is saying that she did not.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: But it should have been the right people, period. It
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: should have been the right people to go to jail,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: and allegedly it eventually happened. Well, he the guy was
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: in jail state. I think for something. He was he
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: was a serial rapist, yeah, and I think he was
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: arrested after they were he was he was in charge
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: with other rapes and he finally ended up confessing.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: But in the documentary you missed this part he met
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Corey Wise in prison.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember Corey in a different Corey in a
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: different interview talking about that ship and was like he
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: came and he told him, like, he confessed to him,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: and Corey was.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Like, can you tell can you tell them? Like?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: And they went through the whole song and dance like
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: month like you know after that about like this this
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: is really what happened, is really what you did? And
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: he was like he was like a born again Christian
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: and he felt like he felt like, you know, he
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: didn't he didn't fit.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: He felt fucked up that he was. He was serving
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: time for.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Crime that he committed, like you did, you did my time.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: And then it's like, did he had a dumb old
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: boy get like the death penalty or some ship.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I had got life? Because damn he might have got life.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think he got the death penalty.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: And I can only I can only imagine what would
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: have happened to them if if the old boy never
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: confessed to that, I think.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: He would have died in jail.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Oh no, he I think because they all only got
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: up to fifteen years, I think all of them, but
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: they only sing between. But I think the original convictions
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: was like five to ten. Five somebody got five to ten,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: and then a few of them got like five to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: fifteen or seven to fifty something.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Like Corey got seven to fifteen because he was he
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: was sixteen, but the other ones who were were fifteen fifteen.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Corey got five to fifteen and he got out in thirteen.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: But the other four because they were under sixteen, got
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: five to ten and they were let.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Out in seven. No, shit is crazy, because I think
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: that was.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: The maximum allowed because they were they were that's maximum
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: allowed by New York States.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I hope that that woman is doing well. I hope
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: she finally feels some sense of justice. I'm not saying
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: she owes them an apologies because it was not her.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: It's police.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I say, because she said.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, according to according to her, she couldn't remember
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: most of that.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, and she got hit it on in the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: head with bricks all kinds of ship like, Yeah, she
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: ain't gonna remember nothing like that. Shit, So I can
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: get it, you know what I'm saying. It's not like
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: the other kids with the lady. The girl knew that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: that man wasn't the one that did it to her,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: and she stood firm on it until the ship came out.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Did it really with somebody else? And she still wouldn't
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: freaking apologize. No, it wasn't him. That's not the case
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: with this lady.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: I served time. Wait a minute, I served tom. But
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: you you apologize and you knew it.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, she said she couldn't remember. And
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: I think if that were me, got for bit. I
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: pray it never happens to me or anybody I know.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: But I wouldn't even want an apology from her.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: No, she doesn't hold them an apology. I'm talking about
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: different case. She doesn't hold them in theology people apology.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: It's the colice you're talking about the other case. I
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: was talking about the lady. That's what I was talking about, Like, bitch,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: you know what I was like, Okay, that's.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: How my sister's gonna be at your house every day
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: for three to every day between three and six for
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: like the next six.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Like they talk to you, you went to the stool.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: What you get from the stoo you.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Have to call Oh girl, this you're gonna like this
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: sauce just stack.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Good to me. You want to get dressed, your bags
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: from the car bo Wait.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: One little convo.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: There's so many people out here in this world though
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: being being wrongfully excuse or it's so many people who
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: don't get justice at all, women who have been attacked
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: and assaulted and violated who don't get justice at all.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad that this young lady Tricia got some
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: kind of justice. Findally, they also glad that they exonerated
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: five were granted their justice as well.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, you really want to give them dresses.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: Take that man, Take that old Take all the detectives
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: that that that that that interrogated them, Take their pensions and.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Sending their answers to jail for the same amount of time.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Do that because they knew what they was doing. They
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: knew exactly what they was doing them the process all
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: of them. Sent all of them jail illegal. All of
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: them should have to serve, should have to serve the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: same amount of time and suffer the way that them
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: boys did. Y'all knew. Y'all knew, especially them detectives that
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: was coercing them and telling them what to say and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: coming in their line to them, telling them that the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: other person said this that and the third and manipulating
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: them and all the other stuff. Them tactics should be illegal.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: That that ain't cool.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: That's all part of the cause you watched verse forty eight.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it on there neither.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, tell you see that, mo, motherfucker put his own.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: And now the person may not have done it. Now
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: you want me Now, I'm about to sit here in
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: lit of couple of my own heads because I know
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't do it, but y'all gonna tell you this
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: motherfucker did it because I ain't going this motherfucker lied
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: on me, so I'm gonna lie on him. And that's
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: exactly what they did to them boys. This ain't cool.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: Like Kevin said, she was that. Who the fuck is Kevin?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Kevin?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh, I am grateful that again we learned
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: about this case. I think as adults. We were two
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: years old when this happened. We're from Maryland, which is
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: hours away.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were adults when when we were younger when
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: they were released, but when everything happened, we were we
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: were littleal toddlers. And then when they finally were actually exonerated,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: like the charges were dripped. We were in high school,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: moved from their records and stuff. We were in high school,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: and then when all of this stuff came back around
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: with the lawsuits and all of other stuff, we were adults,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: so we better understood what was going on, which is
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: what me me personally, I can't I can't speak for y'all.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Goal and look at the case and research it. And
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: then when they dropped. Because this is my first time
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: actually watching the documentary, I didn't watch the documentary originally.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: I ended up watching when they see us first and
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: right and there I wish.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: I had.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Brandon. I sat on their couch with tears and was
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: like mine, what is wrong? And I was like kind
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  Speaker 1: of explaining it to him, and it's like ahead to
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  Speaker 1: tell him, like, no, this is based on the true story.
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  Speaker 1: Like this ising no Hollywood movie. This is based on
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: the true story. Those actors and actresses play their roles
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  Speaker 1: so well. They deserved every damn award that they got
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: nominated for one they deserved. I believe. So I believe
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  Speaker 1: she did you want for I have not watched Monster
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: watch it either. That's the that's the one I haven't
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched that the trailer, and I saw Nis
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: like like parts of NIS's role in it, and I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: wanted to watch a cousin because everybody, no do I
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: got a girl crushed on I love. I don't know her, her,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: her husband looked like she could fight. She looked like
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: she could fight. I don't know. I don't want from Jessica.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: I don't want no problems, none sense. But I love
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: your wife, sorry, but loves her. I love like body
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: is tea mm hmmm nights. But yeah, so like that scissors.
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  Speaker 1: I know the movie was well done, well executed. You
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: saw the pain and uh, you know what who else
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  Speaker 1: was in it? Wasn't a New Alice, and I believe
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  Speaker 1: New Elis is in it too. Let me let me
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: double sure. I love me some New Alice.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. And while Shanna is looking at up for me,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: just to go back to the Exonerady five. Like I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: said earlier, it was just like blunder after misstep after
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: after vital piece of information being missed. And it's unfortunate
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: that to this day you have so many people of
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: color that are wrongfully convicted, are accused of crimes they
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: didn't commit crimes they couldn't have committed. They are charged
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: and sentence or sometimes even executed for stuff that they
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: did not do, and it's just a miscarriage of justice, unfortunately.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: But I get Ellis in Money.
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  Speaker 1: She plays one of the boys mothers. She does she says,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: what's his name? She pays yourself to mother Salon, and
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: then she played Corey's mom. Yeah, yeah, he played that part.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: And then Michael K. Williams played and Troon's father rested
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: piece of that man. Oh god, I'm still not over that,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: especially the way it happened. That man. Nobody had a
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: negative thing that's said about that man. That man, and
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: in the words of Glover, he had the beautiful spurt,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: brutiful spur, betiful spirit, a brutiful spur, birtiful spur. Oh
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: this hairld pair of news daughter. Okay, I rememalized.
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  Speaker 4: She was saying that go to bed, writing I don't
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  Speaker 4: even want to night.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was sending me three o'clock in the morning.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: I walked up. I was almost five. Actually I woke
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: up and was like, bro, and you know what, you
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: know what's crazy. I actually came in here Thursday night,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: got started getting around eight o'clock. I was in being
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: literally in like twelve o five, and I was like,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: knew this. I'm in bed hours early. I'm using that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: mitchel two or three in the morning, and I was like, I.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Woke up at six thirty, had me have me some breakfast.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, I would just be bad to scrambodies.
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  Speaker 4: Great, grab my.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: I grab my keys, grab my work, my work bag
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: or my nurse in my and my jacket, and I
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: was off to work.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Dawn, the easy way I love my paid ches
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: cost a living adjustment? Is it away way? Way? You
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: let me my paine check.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, I know I do exponitiently.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Y'all so funny. Mm hmmm mmm.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: I'm glad I watched the documentary. I can watch documentaries
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: about stuff like that, but when it comes to like
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: mini series and like like like movies, I like that heavy,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: that heavy stuff.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: I can't watch stuff like that. I refused.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: I did watch.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: It was hard to get there. I'm pretty sure I
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: changed smoked while I was watching it. Probably pulled me
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: a drink of five. I cried, I got frustrated. I
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: wanted those ship. I went and kissed my son while
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: he was sleeping and hugged him and told him.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, watching like yeah, watching it. It was tough
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: watching it and looking at it and looking at AJ like.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: I remember after Michael not at the Trayvon Martin and
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: George Zimmerman not being charged, and I remember setting my
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: mother's on watching it and my face just dropped and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, I need to tell talk to my
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: nephew Derek about this, but I don't even know what
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: the fuck to say, Like I like, yeah, I don't
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: even know what to say.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: That's a hard conversation to have. And people wonder why
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: I keep tabs on my son away to that do
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: and I know I'm not gonna be able to do
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: it forever. I know I'm not. I do allow him
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: to go out and enjoy hisself to an extent, but
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I'm also concerned about who he's around, and because you
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: don't know, he ain't got und to be involved in nothing,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: whoever he hanging with could be involved in something that
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: my son is an innocent by standing now you know
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You just happened to be the wrong
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: place the wrong time. So yeah, I'm verylario. Who he's around,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I don't let I can't even ever remember letting him
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: spend the night over a friend's house. What did I
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: think about it? Go to the movies with his friends
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: one day and I dropped him off and I told him,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: you ain't going unless you got to ride home. Your daddy,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: call your call your father before I leave this parking.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Likes to get back in this car and clean with me.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: And then I followed up a text with his father.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: You're picking him up. He was like yeah, he called
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: all right because I back in the movie.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: They're like, excuse me, you know you better than my
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: mother that have been like, well, you don't have a
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: you gotta ride. Then you can't go to get a
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: ride to or a ride from. You're not getting both?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Am I doing both? That was how she got junior prom.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: But we ain't got to relive that traumatic glass night.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Poffing it down Woodlawn driving a TUXI though Ebo was
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: in the prom dress. She said, we get home, she
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: sitting and eating crabs, like oh hey yo, like poor
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: saying I just walked away. I ain't even say nothing.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: You all right? Yeah, man, A little for bid you
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: say no wrong with you? Then? So yeah, I think
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: we're gonna wrapord the episode here.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: It was a pretty solid conversation about the EXONERATD five
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: and to them, much much love, much respect, much much
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: peace to them. I know they've gotten their flawers. So
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: in the interim, like I stated earlier, I like how
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: we pivoted, but I like the fact that they were
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: awarded damages from the City and State of New York
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: for being their wrung for convictions.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: I think they deserve they absolutely did it.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: But nothing will ever replaced the lot the years that
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: were lost.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: To all shit. I mean they said, you.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Are coming out in your twenties.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean you can't by the time you lost.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Ever, That's that's one one thing you can never get back,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: is this time loss.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: M hm.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: But they did get the settlements. Ava Duverne did be
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: sure to honor them with when they see us and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: pretty much every interview she did afterwards. They were on
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: red carvers with her.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: They were at.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Award shows on stage I think at the BET Awards
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: the year at the Year the BET Awards. After when
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: they see us drop, they were given a Standing Innovation
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: from the entire audience, which which was rightfully deserved, and
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: in the interim. I learned from doing my research about
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: them that Central Park, one of the gates in Central
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Park was named the Gate the Gate of the Exonerated
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, and it was a placard next
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: to the entrance of a central park and it was
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: basically showing that the gate was renamed to honor people
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: who were exonerated for wrongful convictions, and it was a
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: picture of the five of them and explaining their case
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: and basically saying it was inspired by them, but it
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: was renamed for basically every victim or every person who
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: was exonerated for crimes that they didn't that were charged
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: for but didn't commit. So they absolutely deserved it. And
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: you know, much much much love, much healing to those brothers,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: you know, thank you to you know, I'm glad that,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: in its own twisted sort of way, that the person
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: who actually committed the crime admitted to it. And maybe
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: he had a change of heart after you know, years
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: of being in jail himself, and maybe he was rehabilitated
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: in several ways and that led him to admitting into
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: that crime, which let them, you know, let get their
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: convictions overturned. But yeah, that's you know sending love to
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: them and I hope they're healing and they living and
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: making a.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: For lost time. Say their names Raymond, Slam, Corey Wise
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: and Ke.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: We love y'all, Kings. Exonerate A five. They are not
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: the Central Park five. They are and forever will be
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: the Exonerator five. And with that, if you have any
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: questions for us, feel free to send them our way
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• 1:20:55
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• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: still on TikTok however, because of the band here in
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: the United States, which unfortunately went through on January nineteenth,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: it can no longer access the app unless one of
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: us makes a run for Canada and decides to come back.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, so until then, no more TikTok.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Fund may be making a run over the Red note though,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: because I heard his lid over there.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: I can't. I'll tell you why I can't, but I'm not.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not downloading Red Note. I mean, I get, I
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: get trying to stick it to the US government, but
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: I don't actually want to give my phone to China.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: At first, I was curious, but I was seeing the
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: videos in the last days of TikTok of people who
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: were transitioning over the Red Note, and you know, I
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: enjoyed the cultural exchange of people who like Chinese people
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: were teaching you know, Mandarin in there, because I think
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: the terms and conditions were in Mandarin and the app
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: interfaces in Mandarin.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: But hey, fuck up.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: But part of it is me not wanting to adapt
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: to a totally brand new social media app. But also
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: it is the fact that, y'all, it is reportedly actually
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: owned and operated by the communist Chinese government. Like I
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: get trying to stick it to the United in the
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: States government for being a TikTok, but I don't want
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: to cut off my nose. That's like my face, right.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: But at any event, we are still on TikTok. So
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: if you aren't in the United States and you want to,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: you know, if you're from Canada or the UK or
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: somewhere else in Europe. Hey, y'all, go ahead and look
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: us up on TikTok. We are still there at wonder
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: Pot Underscore, but we won't be able to update and
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: unless the band gets overturned, so highlight someone of our
• 1:22:36
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• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: We love the Exonerated five, and much love, peace and
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: respect to those those five brothers. I wish them nothing
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: but peace healing on their journeys for that too, but
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: I wish them nothing but peace, healing, love, and life
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: on the rest of their respective and collective journeys. And
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: with that being said, we'll be back next week with
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: the all new episode. Be easy, to be safe, take
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: care of each other, Happy Black History Month, and see
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: y'all next week.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: Bye y'all, Bye, my little pony, My little pony.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: The funny part about that is depends on what I
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  Speaker 2: do or don't check out in editing. You may not
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: even know the reference or to catch the backstory for that.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: That's about fun