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Sharri | 31 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening. Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Tonight a major sit down interview with former British Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister Boris Johnson. He opens up about Donald Trump. He
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Speaker 3: also reveals his final conversation with the Queen, just two
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Speaker 3: days before she passed away. He speaks about the wave
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Speaker 3: of anti Semitism globally and reveals the truth about exactly.
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Speaker 2: How many children he has.
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Speaker 3: He says he's had many kids because we're in a
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Speaker 3: demographic deficit.
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Speaker 2: Well that's his excuse.
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Speaker 3: He also talks about his secret mission to stop Prince
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Speaker 3: Harry from leaving the UK.
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Speaker 4: I failed to avert megsit, I take it, but I
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Speaker 4: did deliver Brexit.
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Speaker 3: He's got strong ideas, he's entertaining and very funny. That
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Speaker 3: major interview coming up. But first to the US election.
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Speaker 3: We're just days away from this his election, and the
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Speaker 3: result matters here in Australia arguably just as much as
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Speaker 3: who our own prime minister is. American leadership is critical
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Speaker 3: to the inflation fight and cost of living, to national security,
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Speaker 3: support for Israel, dealing with the threat of China and Orcus.
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Speaker 3: We don't have a vote, but it matters and here's
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Speaker 3: how the polls are looking. Trump is ahead in all
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Speaker 3: but two of the battleground states. According to Real Clear polling.
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Speaker 3: Trump's ahead in Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia,
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Speaker 3: while Cormala is ahead in Wisconsin and Michigan.
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Speaker 2: The New York Times.
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Speaker 3: Reports that never before in modern presidential campaigns have so
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Speaker 3: many states been so tight this close to election date,
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Speaker 3: And now that Trump appears to be edging ahead in
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Speaker 3: the polls, the campaign is getting uglier.
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Speaker 2: The New York.
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Speaker 3: Times reports top Democratic top Democratic strategists are increasingly hopeful
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Speaker 3: that the campaign's attempts to cast former President Donald J.
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Speaker 3: Trump as a fascist will carry Miss Harris to a
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Speaker 3: narrow triumph. So this is a very deliberate decision to
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Speaker 3: go negative and go nasty, a deliberate strategy to paint
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Speaker 3: Trump as a dictator. This is what's happening behind the
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Speaker 3: scenes in the Harris camp. But publicly, Kamala is pledging
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Speaker 3: unity for all Americans. But Joe Biden let the truth
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Speaker 3: out this week when he called Trump supporters garbage.
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Speaker 1: Only garbage I see floating down there is his orders.
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Speaker 3: Seizing on the comments Trump today turned up in a
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Speaker 3: garbage truck in the swing state of Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: That's like deplorable Bill.
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Speaker 5: This is the deplorable b.
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Speaker 1: Hillary, and I think this is worse.
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Speaker 6: Actually, you can't lead America if you don't love Americans.
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Speaker 1: It's true.
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Speaker 6: You can't be president if you hate the American people,
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Speaker 6: which I believe they do.
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Speaker 3: Such a strong line there from Donald Trump, and you
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Speaker 3: could be forgiven for thinking that. Well, perhaps Joe Biden
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Speaker 3: doesn't want Kamala to win, and who could blame him?
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Speaker 3: He was falced out of the race to the Oval office.
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Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama made it clear that he
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Speaker 3: had to go. They were the ones with the real power,
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Speaker 3: not Potus. And in the crucial final days, well, Biden
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Speaker 3: certainly not helping Kamala's chance of winning. She's trying to
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Speaker 3: portray a picture of unity. She claims that Trump wants
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Speaker 3: to put Democrats in jail, and she insists that she'll
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Speaker 3: do the opposite, that she'll give Republickins a seat at
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Speaker 3: the table.
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Speaker 5: Unlike Donald Trump. I don't believe people who disagree with
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Speaker 5: me are the enemy. He wants to put them in jail.
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Speaker 5: I'll give them a seat at the table.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the only political prisoners in America have been
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Speaker 3: Trump supporters. Former Trump trade advisor Pete Navarro has been jailed,
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Speaker 3: so is former Trump strategist Steve Bannon, and he just
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Speaker 3: got out yesterday, just in time to energize his base
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Speaker 3: in the week before polling day.
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Speaker 7: And Nancy Pelosi thought a federal prison was going to
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Speaker 7: break me, well, it empowered me.
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Speaker 3: The Democrats also bought, brought civil and criminal cases against
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Speaker 3: Trump to try and stop him from becoming president.
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Speaker 2: They wanted him in.
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Speaker 3: The jail house, not the White House. Even Biden has
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Speaker 3: said Trump should be locked up. Yet another home truth
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Speaker 3: that slipped out.
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Speaker 1: I said this five years ago. You'd like me up,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna like him up.
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Speaker 3: The Democrats accused Trump of subverting democracy, but isn't trying
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Speaker 3: to throw a candidate in jail precisely the same thing.
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Speaker 3: As president For four years, Trump didn't imprison his appointments.
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Speaker 3: Boris Johnson's view, and I spoke to him a bit earlier.
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Speaker 3: He said that this is all very deliberate.
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Speaker 4: My impression of them is that they were essentially trying
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Speaker 4: to deprive the people of the opportunity of voting on
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Speaker 4: Donald Trump. And it was a kind of lawfare designed
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Speaker 4: to take out a candidate.
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Speaker 3: That interview coming up on the show, and Boris Johnson
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Speaker 3: also shares his view on how Trump would handle the
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Speaker 3: dictators who are collaborating and conspiring to weaken the West.
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Speaker 3: We're not living in a time of peace. Israel fighting
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Speaker 3: for its survival. Social cohesion in Western societies is breaking down.
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Speaker 3: Russia still on the attack against Ukraine and China preparing
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Speaker 3: for war. Inflation meanwhile, remains a global problem. But with
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Speaker 3: so much at stake, the.
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Speaker 2: Next leader of the free world matters.
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Speaker 3: In fact, you could argue there's rarely been a time
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Speaker 3: in history when leadership is of such critical importance. Our
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Speaker 3: enemies are emboldened and we need strength to stop their advance. Okay,
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Speaker 3: My major interview with Boris Johnson coming up a bit
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Speaker 3: later in the show after the break. He speaks about
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, his final conversation with the Queen just two
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Speaker 3: days before she passes away. He tells me what she says,
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Speaker 3: why Emmanuel Macron doesn't like his dog, exactly how many
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Speaker 3: children he has, and he also condemns the waive of
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism sweeping the globe.
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Speaker 2: That's coming up But.
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Speaker 3: Now let's bring in National Senator Matt Canavan and Sky
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Speaker 3: News host Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
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Speaker 3: Steve, do you think those Biden comments basically calling half
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Speaker 3: of American's garbage could move votes in Trump's direction?
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Speaker 8: You'd have to think if anyone was undecided, that would
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Speaker 8: I mean, it was the Hillary Clinton moment, wasn't it.
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Speaker 1: And you can imagine being in the.
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Speaker 8: Back office of Kamala Harris's campaign and they've got the
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Speaker 8: television on in the corner and they see Joe Biden
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Speaker 8: come out with that stuff and called Trump supporters garbage.
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Speaker 8: I mean, it's just no wonder she's hidden him away
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Speaker 8: and didn't want him on the campaign trail at all.
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Speaker 8: And Donald Trump, to his credit, he goes and hires
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Speaker 8: a garbage truck some made of his, puts a sticker
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Speaker 8: on it saying Donald Trump's garbo truck. He puts on
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Speaker 8: a high vi his vest, and he's just a genius
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Speaker 8: at doing those sorts of things.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there does seem to be more reporting of
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Speaker 3: frosty relations between the Harris campaign and the Biden team.
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavan, you follow us politics very closely. I want
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Speaker 3: to get your sense of how this election is headed,
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Speaker 3: and whether you think those comments from Biden could make
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Speaker 3: much of a difference in these final days, Well, I think.
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Speaker 9: Trump was already ahead.
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Speaker 10: That's definitely what the prediction markets, the betting markets think.
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Speaker 10: He's never polled anywhere like where he is at the moment.
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Speaker 10: He's leading in most swing states on the pole of
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Speaker 10: polls if you like.
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Speaker 9: He's never been there.
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Speaker 10: Even when he won in sixteen, he was behind by
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Speaker 10: quite a distance to Hillary Clinton. So you would think
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Speaker 10: everything is going his way. And as Steve said, this
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Speaker 10: is just unbelievably poor timing for the Harris campaign. Not
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Speaker 10: only the remarks themselves will have an impact and help
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Speaker 10: Trump get his base out, get his vote out, they
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Speaker 10: also happened at the same time that Camala Harris was
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Speaker 10: doing her perhaps largest speech to go for the campaign
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Speaker 10: and the Washington lips there, and it was a big
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Speaker 10: set piece, and that's been all swamped by both Biden's
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Speaker 10: comments and then Trump's remarkable ability to capture the news cycle.
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Speaker 10: I did just want to point out, though, Sharhi, that
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Speaker 10: you know, I'm a little miffed he has ripped off
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Speaker 10: my stick of wearing high vis I think this election tactic.
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Speaker 10: But I'm happy for him, happy.
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Speaker 2: Sure about that.
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Speaker 3: I feel like every second politician is wearing high viz
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavanjelsic start, Matt, I just want to do a
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Speaker 3: quick follow up question with you. I mean, I've interviewed
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Speaker 3: Steve Bannon a couple of times before, I've been on
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Speaker 3: his show many more times, so of you, He's just
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Speaker 3: got out of prison less than a week.
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Speaker 2: Before polding Day.
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Speaker 3: What do you think the impact is going to be
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Speaker 3: now of you know, this high profile figure literally jailed
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Speaker 3: for contempt for not, you know, betraying Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: But how do you think this is going to play out?
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Speaker 10: Look, it's probably not going to have a big impact
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Speaker 10: on the overall race because most Americans, I'm sure, are
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Speaker 10: pretty busy with their own lives to know who is
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Speaker 10: or follow closely Steve Bannon. It probably has a little
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Speaker 10: bit of impact on the margins. He's got a very
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Speaker 10: big following among the base, so to speak. Now all
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Speaker 10: of his viewers probably already of course voting for Trump,
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Speaker 10: but he's released will perhaps motivate them to get more
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Speaker 10: of their friends and colleagues to the polls, who are
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Speaker 10: probably more likely to vote Republicans.
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Speaker 9: So it probably helps a little bit.
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Speaker 10: And look, it also of course undermines the rhetoric from
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Speaker 10: the Democrats that somehow Donald Trump represents a unique risk
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Speaker 10: to democratic norms. I think they call them democratic norms
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Speaker 10: in America when the only people that have been really
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Speaker 10: locked up for their political views or activities in recent
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Speaker 10: years have been done so by democratic administrations.
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Speaker 9: I think it was a travesty of justice that.
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Speaker 10: Steve Bannon was jailed by what was a kangaroo court
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Speaker 10: of a congressional commit He had no representatives from the
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Speaker 10: Senate leader, sorry, the House leadership of the Republicans, and
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Speaker 10: they charged him with a contempt and put him away
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Speaker 10: for four months just during the campaign too.
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Speaker 2: Agree, Agree?
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Speaker 3: Extraordinary who was locked up for four months? All right,
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Speaker 3: let's look at the Quantus Albanizi upgrade scandal. Now he's
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Speaker 3: been in hiding for the second day in a row.
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Speaker 3: I reported last night that the former Group Executive for
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Speaker 3: Government and International Affairs at Quantas, Andrew Parker, often handled
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Speaker 3: Albanesi's flight upgrades. I also told you last night about
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Speaker 3: their close personal relationship, where Albanezi attended Andrew Parker's housewarming party.
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Speaker 3: I said there was even a plaque to that effect. Well,
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Speaker 3: let's have a look at that.
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Speaker 11: Now.
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Speaker 2: I can show you that tonight. There you go.
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Speaker 3: The address was at the top of it. We've blurnt
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Speaker 3: it out, blurted out for privacy reasons.
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Speaker 2: That says there.
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Speaker 3: And if we can show you the close up again,
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Speaker 3: officially opened by Anthony Alberanzi, and it says also Gladys
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Speaker 3: Very Jicklian. It has Verry Jicklian's name there too, but
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Speaker 3: I understand them A new Sofales premier has been friends
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Speaker 3: with Andrew Parker since even their teenage years.
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Speaker 2: A long time.
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Speaker 3: But when Albanzi was opposition leader, bizarrely opening the private
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Speaker 3: home of the man who was the government relations advisor
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Speaker 3: for Quantas who then went on to become their group
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Speaker 3: executive for sustainability, Sam made and today has backed up
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Speaker 3: my reporting. She's quoted a Quantus insider saying that alban
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Speaker 3: Ezi's denials were bs and that Andrew Parker used to
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Speaker 3: get calls from labor staffers about upgrades. Of course, we're
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Speaker 3: not suggesting Andrew Parker has done anything wrong.
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Speaker 2: He hasn't. This is all in alban easy.
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Speaker 3: I'm also just going to quickly bring you before I
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Speaker 3: go to you. Steve Price, a Quantus insider familiar with
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Speaker 3: these matters, has said to me about Alban Easy, he's
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Speaker 3: digging a grave on this.
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Speaker 2: He's digging a grave on this.
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Speaker 3: So, Steve Price, alber Ezi issuing blanket denials to select
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Speaker 3: media outlets.
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Speaker 2: No public conferences. Where do you think this goes? Now?
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Speaker 8: Well, it shouldn't have lasted six days. And if he
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Speaker 8: lets it keep going, he's in real trouble. I mean
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Speaker 8: a couple of simple things here. When he was Transport
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Speaker 8: Minister under rud Gillard, and then in opposition and Opposition leader,
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Speaker 8: and then he ended up as Prime minister. If you're
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Speaker 8: sitting in a airport and you bought yourself an economy
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Speaker 8: ticket and you're traveling with your family, and you get
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Speaker 8: to the airport and you get to the check in gate,
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Speaker 8: or you get to the lounge and someone says, can
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Speaker 8: mister Albin Easy come to the front counterplease, and you're upgraded?
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Speaker 8: Don't you think to yourself? And I'd be interested in
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Speaker 8: what Matt thinks of this. I'm the Transport minister. Should
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Speaker 8: I really be taking this? Given the position I hold
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Speaker 8: and the influence I could have on aviation policy in
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Speaker 8: the country.
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Speaker 1: That's simple.
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Speaker 8: The other simple point I would make, and I've been
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Speaker 8: upgraded by contus in the past. Most recently I've had
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Speaker 8: to use frequent flyerpoints, but maybe twenty years ago I
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Speaker 8: would have had a couple of upgraded flights unprompted.
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Speaker 1: You remember them.
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Speaker 8: I mean I remember a flight where I was upgraded
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Speaker 8: on the way to Ireland because I was covering the
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Speaker 8: capture of drug baron Robert Trimboli and I got plumped
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Speaker 8: in first class by Quantas. The reason I remember it
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Speaker 8: the bloke sitting next to me was Angus Young from
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Speaker 8: ac DC.
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Speaker 1: I thought all my Christmas had come at once.
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Speaker 8: I'll never forget that flight for the rest of my life.
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Speaker 8: So you can't just go, oh, well, I can't remember.
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Speaker 3: It's probably the only time you've ever been upgraded to
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Speaker 3: first class, so of course you'd remember it. But if
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Speaker 3: it's twenty two upgrades or more like Albos had, you know,
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Speaker 3: maybe it's not so special. Matt Canavan, there's now leagues
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Speaker 3: against your colleague, Bridget Mackenzie.
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Speaker 2: This is perhaps to try and stop a.
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Speaker 3: Senate inquiry from happening, because it would open up once again.
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Speaker 3: You know the possibility that Alan Joyce would be.
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Speaker 9: Recalled, well, no doubt.
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Speaker 10: I mean the issue here is that the problems hasn't
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Speaker 10: been able to answer simple questions about his own actions,
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Speaker 10: so he straight away went to singing Martin others, including
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Speaker 10: the author of his book. He incorrectly said he hadn't
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Speaker 10: disclosed matters. Now they're going after, of course, coalition colleagues.
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Speaker 10: There's no allegation here against my colleague though that Senam
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Speaker 10: McKenzie in any way solicited gifts in a way that
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Speaker 10: Anthony Albenizi did as Minister for Transport.
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Speaker 9: That is the key issue here.
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Speaker 10: And he still hasn't given a definitive answer about whether
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Speaker 10: he or any of his staff ever had contact with
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Speaker 10: Quantas about that these denials are not really believable.
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Speaker 3: All right, Matt Canavan, Steve Price, thank you both very much. Now,
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Speaker 3: my big interview with Boris Johnson coming up after the break.
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Speaker 3: But now let's cross to one of the key battleground
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Speaker 3: states in the United States, Pennsylvania, with our Washington correspondent,
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Speaker 3: Analise Nielsen.
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Speaker 2: I spoke with her a little earlier. Annalise, thank you
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Speaker 2: so much for your time.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has just announced he's suing over voter suppression.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell us more about this.
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Speaker 11: Suing?
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Speaker 12: And one the judges just made the ruling a short
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Speaker 12: time ago. Essentially, the issue they were talking was voters
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Speaker 12: who were in line in Bucks County.
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Speaker 11: For early voting.
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Speaker 12: So how it happens here in Pennsylvania, And remember in America,
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Speaker 12: it's different in every state the rules around voting, and
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Speaker 12: each county local level gets to set.
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Speaker 11: How those rules are administered.
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Speaker 12: So in Bucks County they found that they had enormous
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Speaker 12: numbers of people lining up to cast.
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Speaker 11: Their early ballots.
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Speaker 12: How it happens here is you line up, you get
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Speaker 12: your mail ballot, the same one that would be mailed.
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Speaker 2: Out to you.
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Speaker 12: But many Pennsylvanians have been saying they haven't been receiving
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Speaker 12: their mail in ballots, they've been getting lost in the mail.
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Speaker 12: So they go line up, get handed a ballot, they
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Speaker 12: can fill it in on the spot, hand it back
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Speaker 12: to them, and their ballots cast early.
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Speaker 11: So what happened was they had so many people.
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Speaker 12: On line, the local officials early in the afternoon said
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Speaker 12: that's it, you're done, go home. And people in line
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Speaker 12: had the right to be there until five PM and
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Speaker 12: anyone in line at five pm, no matter how far
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Speaker 12: away it was, even if it took hours to get
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Speaker 12: them through, if you're in line by five pm, you
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Speaker 12: should have the right to vote. And so this is
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Speaker 12: what the Trump campaign sued over and one a judger said, yes,
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Speaker 12: these voters were disenfranchised when we kicked them out of line.
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Speaker 12: So now they have additional days throughout the week to
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Speaker 12: go do this early voting ahead of voting next week
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Speaker 12: on Tuesday in person, which is the last chance for
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Speaker 12: people to vote here in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 3: We've seen Joe Biden's garbage comment where he basically called
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Speaker 3: half of America, all of the Trump supporters garbage. Kamala
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Speaker 3: Harris now trying to distance herself from this.
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Speaker 2: Will this hurt her campaign?
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Speaker 3: Do you think in a similar way to Hillary Clinton's
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Speaker 3: basket of deplorable comment really damaged hers.
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Speaker 12: Well, Look, one of the things that we're looking at
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Speaker 12: here is the fact it's happened late in the game.
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Speaker 12: We're only six days out from the presidential election here,
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Speaker 12: so many Americans have already cast their ballots. About a
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Speaker 12: third the last time I looked of people who are
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Speaker 12: likely to vote have cast their ballot. But The issue
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Speaker 12: is they have been putting forward this idea that they
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Speaker 12: are the party that's going to bring people together and
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Speaker 12: it's Donald Trump who's divisive. So when you have Kamala
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Speaker 12: Harris in this iconic rally outside the White House trying
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Speaker 12: to draw the comparison to January sixth, at the same time,
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Speaker 12: you have Joe Biden inside just calling Donald Trump's supporters
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Speaker 12: garbage and then trying to walk it back through the
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Speaker 12: press office. People pick up on that, and we've heard
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Speaker 12: from that, We've heard that from people on the ground
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Speaker 12: here in Pennsylvania today. This is one of the critical
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Speaker 12: battleground states for both campaigns to try to win the
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Speaker 12: electoral College vote. So yes, it will absolutely cut through.
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Speaker 12: And what the real issue is that I think hasn't
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Speaker 12: been emphasized enough in all this is the fact that
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Speaker 12: this is the problem the Harris campaign has had from
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Speaker 12: the get go, where they're trying to separate themselves from Biden.
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Speaker 12: He's been leaving days open, according to Axios, and they've
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Speaker 12: been leaving him hanging because they don't want him on
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Speaker 12: the campaign trail with him. He's seen as the live
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Speaker 12: ability and he's left to his own devices. Like this
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Speaker 12: and it does cause these issues fractures because people realize
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Speaker 12: that she's been working with him for four years, and
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Speaker 12: they realize that he's got issues with his cognitive abilities.
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Speaker 11: At the moment, his memory.
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Speaker 12: And it is that just absolute juxtaposition that we're seeing
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Speaker 12: we have this new start and at the same time
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Speaker 12: we've got Joe Biden still in this position doing these
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Speaker 12: things when people know there's a problem.
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Speaker 3: Annalie's you know, we're just days out, as you said,
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Speaker 3: six days to go. Can you take us through where
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Speaker 3: the poles are at the moment, especially in those seven
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Speaker 3: battleground swing states.
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Speaker 11: Look, this is one of the really fascinating things with
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Speaker 11: the poles.
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Speaker 12: At the moment, they're just neck and neck. We're just
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Speaker 12: seeing fifty to fifty splits. We're seeing poles will come
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Speaker 12: out with a few points here and there.
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Speaker 11: For either campaign.
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Speaker 12: It looks like Donald Trump's pulling ahead, but we're still
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Speaker 12: within the margin of error.
19:57
Speaker 11: And I can tell you from having been on the.
19:58
Speaker 12: Ground for the last five weeks almost talking to people
20:02
Speaker 12: in battleground states, the polls are exactly what we're seeing
20:05
Speaker 12: on the ground. People aren't enthusiastic either way. People are
20:09
Speaker 12: feeling very downtrodden about the whole thing, and I think
20:13
Speaker 12: that's really interesting when we compare it to twenty twenty,
20:16
Speaker 12: when there was so much friction, people were feeling passionate.
20:19
Speaker 12: We've had anecdotes from across the country of people not
20:21
Speaker 12: having as many signs stolen out of their yards, of
20:24
Speaker 12: bartenders telling us they don't have to break up as
20:26
Speaker 12: many political fights as they used to because people aren't
20:30
Speaker 12: feeling overwhelmed about either candidate. But what we also compare
20:34
Speaker 12: that to is the early voting. We are breaking records
20:37
Speaker 12: across the country. Georgia alone is such a huge indicator,
20:42
Speaker 12: and what we saw in Pennsylvania as well is the
20:44
Speaker 12: number of people who've been voting early.
20:46
Speaker 11: It's drastically.
20:47
Speaker 12: There's a drastic uptick for Republicans, and that is a
20:51
Speaker 12: huge change from twenty twenty, when they were told stay home,
20:53
Speaker 12: don't go to the polls early, do it one day
20:55
Speaker 12: in person, otherwise you can't trust it. Now they're being told,
20:57
Speaker 12: do whatever it takes to get your voting early.
20:59
Speaker 11: We'll have the other later. And it looks like.
21:01
Speaker 3: It's working for the Republicans all right, Analys Nielsen, really
21:05
Speaker 3: appreciate your time joining us.
21:07
Speaker 2: From the ground in Pennsylvania.
21:12
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, Boris Johnson's take on Donald Trump,
21:16
Speaker 3: his final conversation with the Queen, why Emmanuel mccron hates
21:20
Speaker 3: his dog, and the reason he felt it was his
21:23
Speaker 3: duty to have so many children. That's right after this
21:26
Speaker 3: quick break, welcome back. Well, he's one of the most
21:33
Speaker 3: colorful and controversial public figures of our time. Brilliant intellectual,
21:38
Speaker 3: Oxford educated and orator, but he's also wildly funny and entertaining.
21:44
Speaker 3: Former British PM Boris Johnson rose to fame globally backing Brexit,
21:48
Speaker 3: but his time in office was often controversial. He'll open
21:52
Speaker 3: up about all of this when he visits Sydney and
21:54
Speaker 3: Melbourne in December, and I spoke with him ahead of
21:57
Speaker 3: his Australian tour a little earlier today.
22:01
Speaker 2: Boris Johnson, so great to see you. Thank you for
22:03
Speaker 2: your time.
22:04
Speaker 1: It's an absolute pleasure to be with you.
22:06
Speaker 3: Look, it's less than a week to go until the
22:08
Speaker 3: US election. Donald Trump famously asked to raise a may
22:12
Speaker 3: in front of the cameras. Why you weren't Prime Minister
22:15
Speaker 3: at the time. Would you like to see Donald Trump
22:18
Speaker 3: return to the presidency.
22:20
Speaker 4: Well, listening. It's very very sweet of you to have
22:22
Speaker 4: me on your show, and it's why we'll be here.
22:24
Speaker 4: But as I explained in my book Unleashed, which I
22:27
Speaker 4: will be relentlessly plugging when I get over to Australia
22:30
Speaker 4: in the early part of December, the job of the
22:36
Speaker 4: UK Prime Minister is to be friendly with whoever is
22:40
Speaker 4: the president of the United States. But you will also
22:44
Speaker 4: discover in Unleashed some paradoxical and interesting things about what
22:49
Speaker 4: Donald Trump was like to work with. And it kind
22:52
Speaker 4: of goes against a lot of the negative stuff that
22:57
Speaker 4: you sometimes hear about Donald Trump, because my experiences of
23:02
Speaker 4: him as Foreign Secretary, when I was Foreign Secretary and
23:04
Speaker 4: then when I was Prime Minister was actually he did
23:08
Speaker 4: some stuff that was bold and decisive and that really
23:14
Speaker 4: made the world feel safer. And a couple of things
23:18
Speaker 4: I'll cite and there they're all in the in the book.
23:21
Speaker 1: But the way.
23:22
Speaker 4: He punished Basha radah Sad for using chemical weapons against
23:27
Speaker 4: his own people, the way he was really tough with
23:30
Speaker 4: Iran with customs. Solimani, the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard,
23:35
Speaker 4: coulds fortunate he more is vaporized. The guy there was
23:39
Speaker 4: only his signet ring left. And then you know, people
23:42
Speaker 4: talk a lot about about Donald Trump and is he
23:46
Speaker 4: going to be soft on Putin? Has he got this
23:48
Speaker 4: kind of strange thing that's going on in the Republican
23:51
Speaker 4: Party where they kind of have a fanboy you know
23:54
Speaker 4: thing about Putin which I personally don't share at all.
23:59
Speaker 1: I don't think.
24:00
Speaker 4: And you look at what Trump actually did on the
24:02
Speaker 4: Russian file when he was president from twenty sixteen to
24:07
Speaker 4: twenty twenty. You know that two things I would single
24:10
Speaker 4: out that were incredibly important. He decided after we had
24:14
Speaker 4: the terrible poisonings in Salisbury, Trump massively surprised on the
24:18
Speaker 4: upside and the United States expelled sixty Russian diplomats, which
24:24
Speaker 4: was the biggest expulsion since the bigger than any I
24:28
Speaker 4: think that had happened even in the Cold War. And
24:30
Speaker 4: that was Donald Trump who did that kicked out put Inspired.
24:34
Speaker 4: And number two, you know a lot of people talk
24:36
Speaker 4: about Trump and Ukraine, is you're going to be solid,
24:37
Speaker 4: what's going to happen. I just remind you what he
24:41
Speaker 4: actually did when he was president unlike and it's all
24:45
Speaker 4: in unleashed. You will read it and I'll be talking
24:47
Speaker 4: about it on boris unleashed dot com when I get
24:52
Speaker 4: to Australia. What he actually did was to give the
24:57
Speaker 4: Ukrainians lethal weaponry, which the Democrats had not done when
25:02
Speaker 4: they were in office. And Donald Trump actually gave the
25:05
Speaker 4: Ukrainians the shoulder launched javelin anti tank weapons, which was
25:12
Speaker 4: so important in that battle for kievn in the spring
25:15
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty two. So all I can say, you know, people,
25:18
Speaker 4: and you know, it's not the job of UK prime
25:20
Speaker 4: ministers to get involved in or UK politicians to get
25:23
Speaker 4: involved in American elections any more than we would get
25:26
Speaker 4: involved in Australian elections. You know, It's just we're great,
25:32
Speaker 4: you know, friendly democracies. It's not how we do things.
25:35
Speaker 4: But I would just say, you know, chapter and verse
25:38
Speaker 4: in here, there's some pretty surprising and paradoxical things about
25:43
Speaker 4: you know, what people say about Trump and what he
25:46
Speaker 4: actually did when when he was in office, and I'm
25:49
Speaker 4: content and I'm optimistic to judge him on.
25:54
Speaker 1: The basis of what he did. That doesn't mean that,
25:55
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have a very high.
25:57
Speaker 4: Regard for Joe Biden as well a good relationship with
26:01
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris and Biden's been very strong on Ukraine in particular.
26:06
Speaker 1: But you know, look at.
26:08
Speaker 3: The record, Boris, do you think there's been an unfair
26:11
Speaker 3: campaign to try put Donald Trump in jail so that
26:14
Speaker 3: he can't be president again?
26:18
Speaker 1: I think it was a Look, I mean, you know, the.
26:21
Speaker 4: Various legal cases have wound their weary way before the courts,
26:25
Speaker 4: and my impression of them is that they were essentially
26:30
Speaker 4: trying to deprive the people of the opportunity of voting
26:35
Speaker 4: on Donald Trump. And it was a kind of lawfair
26:39
Speaker 4: designed to take out a candidate. And now you know, again,
26:42
Speaker 4: you know, shoot me if you think this is this
26:45
Speaker 4: is too too optimism, But it was they were trying
26:48
Speaker 4: to take out a candidate that a lot of people
26:51
Speaker 4: don't like, think is has you know, they don't like
26:54
Speaker 4: his style, don't like the things he does, and think
26:57
Speaker 4: the things he says, and like I kind of I
26:59
Speaker 4: kind of get all that, but I think it backfired.
27:03
Speaker 4: And you know whatever, I disagreed very much with what
27:06
Speaker 4: happened on January the sixth.
27:09
Speaker 1: That was absolutely terrible.
27:11
Speaker 4: On the other hand, look at what is happening now,
27:15
Speaker 4: and as.
27:16
Speaker 1: We talk, we're early days.
27:17
Speaker 4: Away from an election in the United States where Donald
27:22
Speaker 4: Trump is out competing for every vote that he can get.
27:27
Speaker 4: He's trying to win another term in office, as is
27:32
Speaker 4: Kamela Harris trying to win the presidency. And they're both
27:36
Speaker 4: trying by purely democratic means to secure popular support.
27:41
Speaker 1: And here's the incredible thing. We don't know.
27:44
Speaker 4: Neither of us knows. I nobody knows, not even I'm
27:48
Speaker 4: here in New York. But nobody knows who is going
27:50
Speaker 4: to win that election.
27:52
Speaker 1: That that is a fantastic thing.
27:55
Speaker 4: Because there are countries, big and important countries in this world.
27:59
Speaker 4: Powerful country is where that is not true, where the
28:02
Speaker 4: outcome of so called democratic elections are well known in
28:06
Speaker 4: advanced Look at Russia, look at China.
28:08
Speaker 3: You were with the Queen two days before she sadly
28:12
Speaker 3: passed away. You saw the Queen for an hour most weeks.
28:16
Speaker 3: You talk in the book about pouring your heart out.
28:19
Speaker 3: You describe it as free psychotherapy. What was the best
28:22
Speaker 3: advice she ever gave you?
28:25
Speaker 4: The convention is, of course, you can't really talk about.
28:31
Speaker 1: A lot of the conversations you have with the Queen.
28:33
Speaker 4: You can't certainly can't talk about any political conversations.
28:37
Speaker 1: That you have with her.
28:40
Speaker 4: But I think without breaking my privy cancel if I can, well,
28:44
Speaker 4: I can say what she said in her last conversation
28:49
Speaker 4: with me, which was two days before she died, and
28:51
Speaker 4: she was absolutely brilliant. She maintained her total grip on
28:58
Speaker 4: world affairs. And you know, she'd seen every US Prime
29:01
Speaker 4: minister since Eisenhower, she'd sorry US president since Eisenhower. She'd
29:08
Speaker 4: she met every French president from charld de girl to
29:12
Speaker 4: to Macron, every Chinese Zena since since mal and she
29:17
Speaker 4: knew everything.
29:19
Speaker 1: What did she say?
29:19
Speaker 4: She said, she said, a great thing in life is
29:23
Speaker 4: is not to be is not to be bitter. Because
29:25
Speaker 4: she in the last conversation, I was sort of saying, well,
29:28
Speaker 4: you know, because you know, one of the reasons I'm
29:30
Speaker 4: giving this interview to you now is I was untimely
29:33
Speaker 4: removed from my job. And you know, one of the
29:36
Speaker 4: points I'm making unleash is a great, great shame, because
29:38
Speaker 4: I think we would have won the won the twenty
29:40
Speaker 4: twenty four election if that hadn't happened. But you know,
29:43
Speaker 4: she was saying to me, well, you know, it's very
29:45
Speaker 4: important in life not to be bitter, and she was
29:47
Speaker 4: saying that it was good that I didn't seem to
29:49
Speaker 4: be at all bitter, and I wasn't and I'm not.
29:53
Speaker 4: So she said, don't be bitter point number one good
29:56
Speaker 4: advice to all politicians. Don't be better, don't be actuated
29:59
Speaker 4: by by bitterness. But she also said something quite interesting.
30:04
Speaker 4: I don't know whether do you have a phobia of
30:05
Speaker 4: magpies in Australia? Does anybody have a phobia? Do you
30:08
Speaker 4: have a phobia of magpies?
30:09
Speaker 3: I've seen magpie season in September and they do swoop
30:12
Speaker 3: and you see cyclists, particularly in the National Capital camera
30:16
Speaker 3: cycling round with you know, buckets and funny things on
30:19
Speaker 3: their head to avoid the swooping magpies.
30:21
Speaker 4: Yes, really, Okay, Well, so there's a say in England
30:25
Speaker 4: one for sorry, too for joy, three for a girl,
30:27
Speaker 4: four for a boy. Right, so if you see a
30:30
Speaker 4: single magpie, it's bad luck. And I there lots of
30:35
Speaker 4: people who I know who have this phobia of single magpies.
30:40
Speaker 4: And I mentioned this to her Majesty, her Late Majesty,
30:43
Speaker 4: the Queen, and she said she had exactly the same thing,
30:46
Speaker 4: but she had a cure for it.
30:49
Speaker 1: She had a spell, she had a way.
30:51
Speaker 4: Of dealing with it, and it was when she saw
30:54
Speaker 4: a solitary magpie, she would say, good morning, mister magpie.
31:00
Speaker 4: Today is the thirtieth of October twenty twenty four or
31:05
Speaker 4: whatever it is today.
31:06
Speaker 1: I think it is twenty hundred four.
31:08
Speaker 4: And that does it, and then your single magpie problem
31:13
Speaker 4: is gone.
31:14
Speaker 3: The magpie conversation came up in your final ever conversation
31:17
Speaker 3: with the Queen two days before she passed away. Boris Johnson,
31:20
Speaker 3: you are quite hilarious. I understand that the Royal family
31:23
Speaker 3: tried to get you personally to persuade Prince Harry to
31:29
Speaker 3: stay in the UK and.
31:30
Speaker 2: Not move to the United States. They asked you to
31:34
Speaker 2: give him a manly pep talk. How did that go down?
31:37
Speaker 4: I honestly can't remember the genesis of this idea, and
31:40
Speaker 4: I think it may have been my own sheer pomposity
31:45
Speaker 4: that made me think that I could persuade because I
31:49
Speaker 4: like Harry and I like Meghan too, And when I
31:54
Speaker 4: was Foreign Secretary, I did a great event with them
31:57
Speaker 4: about educating young women and girls around around the world,
32:01
Speaker 4: because there's a catastrophe of the disparity between male and
32:05
Speaker 4: female education in some countries is appalling and could fix
32:09
Speaker 4: so many problems in the world if you could fix
32:10
Speaker 4: that anyway.
32:11
Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan came and they were they were.
32:13
Speaker 4: Brilliant, and I tried to persuade him not to go
32:17
Speaker 4: to California and it was pathetic. I wouldn't. I failed
32:21
Speaker 4: to avert Mexit. I took it, but I did deliver
32:25
Speaker 4: Brexit and I'm I'm very proud of that. And if
32:27
Speaker 4: you want to discover why Brexit worked, and I know
32:29
Speaker 4: it's still controversial lots of people yet.
32:31
Speaker 1: If you want to discover why.
32:32
Speaker 4: Brexit work, rely Unleashed and and please come to some
32:36
Speaker 4: of the Boris Unleashed dot com events that are that
32:39
Speaker 4: are taking place in Australia in early in early early December.
32:47
Speaker 3: Okay, don't go anywhere. The rest of my interview with
32:49
Speaker 3: Boris Johnson is up next.
32:51
Speaker 2: After the break.
32:52
Speaker 3: He's going to speak about keeping orcus A sacred from
32:55
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Macron, the waiver of anti Semitism, swaping the globe,
32:59
Speaker 3: and what regrets about the COVID lockdowns. As you can see,
33:03
Speaker 3: he's quite indiscreet. Also, he talks about why he has.
33:06
Speaker 2: So many children. Don't miss it. Just a quick break.
33:13
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
33:14
Speaker 3: I'm gonna return to Albanezi's Quantus scandal a bit later.
33:18
Speaker 3: But now here's Boris Johnson speaking about why he has
33:21
Speaker 3: so many children, his regrets about the pandemic and anti Semitism.
33:25
Speaker 3: I want to cover a few areas, so I just
33:27
Speaker 3: want to take you to the setting up of ORCUS,
33:31
Speaker 3: very important initiative that's to your credit and to Scott
33:35
Speaker 3: Morrison's Before your meeting with Joe Biden to get him
33:39
Speaker 3: over the line on ORCUS, you and Scott Morrison made
33:43
Speaker 3: the decision not to tell Emmanuel mccron about it.
33:47
Speaker 2: You didn't trust him.
33:49
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't quite like that.
33:52
Speaker 4: The trouble was, if you remember, everybody I hope in
33:54
Speaker 4: Australia knows this the background of this. This is a
33:58
Speaker 4: very important initiative because from my point of view, it
34:02
Speaker 4: was a way that the UK and the United States
34:06
Speaker 4: could support Australia and to build a coalition of freedom
34:12
Speaker 4: loving democracies that share our values and trust each other.
34:18
Speaker 4: So implicitly and so intimately. They were willing to share
34:21
Speaker 4: very very secret details of nuclear technology and other technologies.
34:27
Speaker 4: And that's what Aucus is all about. It's all about
34:29
Speaker 4: the submarines. And so the problem was as everybody knows
34:32
Speaker 4: that the deal had been done between Australia and the
34:37
Speaker 4: French for the French to supply some diesel submarines and
34:40
Speaker 4: these were frankly too noisy. They went, they went suitable
34:43
Speaker 4: for Australia's purposes, and they needed some vessels, some boats
34:47
Speaker 4: that were quieter, and they wanted nuclear propulsion. They came
34:51
Speaker 4: to us, and look, I mean, in order to give
34:59
Speaker 4: the technology to Australia, the UK clearly had to get
35:04
Speaker 4: the acquiescence of the United States, because the technology ultimately
35:08
Speaker 4: comes from from the US, and the US is very
35:11
Speaker 4: vigilant in guarding those secrets. And so before we could
35:16
Speaker 4: go ahead and do the Orcrest deal, and before we
35:19
Speaker 4: could before before Australia could let Emmanuel Macron down, we
35:28
Speaker 4: had to make sure that we had our ducks in
35:30
Speaker 4: a row. We had to make sure that the the
35:34
Speaker 4: Joe Biden, the President of the United States, was willing
35:36
Speaker 4: to share that technology not just with the UK, but
35:39
Speaker 4: also with Australia. So that you're quite right, that meant
35:42
Speaker 4: there was a period in which we were very worried
35:45
Speaker 4: that the deal would get out and Emmanuel would be furious,
35:50
Speaker 4: and a lot of a lot of paint would come off,
35:52
Speaker 4: the plaster would come off the ceiling in the in
35:54
Speaker 4: the palace, and he would, you know, he would do
35:59
Speaker 4: de de la pousset, as we.
36:00
Speaker 1: Say in French. And and you know, and.
36:06
Speaker 4: So there was so as I say, I should have
36:09
Speaker 4: mentioned it, I say in this, in this this book unleashed.
36:14
Speaker 1: The there was a period.
36:16
Speaker 3: Well you were worried he try and kill off the
36:19
Speaker 3: deal before it was done, That's what you say in
36:21
Speaker 3: the book. And that he didn't like your dog either,
36:23
Speaker 3: Emmanuel macran.
36:25
Speaker 4: Well, I, well, I don't know he was he my
36:28
Speaker 4: dog unfortunately barked during a very during a very moment
36:33
Speaker 4: of of sort of Anglo French solemn.
36:38
Speaker 1: Ceremony.
36:39
Speaker 4: I offered a manual, my doctor hold but he he
36:43
Speaker 4: mysteriously declined the honor.
36:46
Speaker 1: Of holding Dylan. But look, I mean, I don't want
36:48
Speaker 1: to trivialize this.
36:50
Speaker 4: You know, the relationships between France and the UK, as
36:54
Speaker 4: with France and with the UK and Australia are incredibly strong.
36:58
Speaker 4: And actually there were many many things where Emmanuel and
37:02
Speaker 4: I agreed.
37:03
Speaker 1: But the problem with Orcus was it was really you.
37:06
Speaker 4: It was for Scott, It was for Australia to let
37:10
Speaker 4: a Manuel down.
37:12
Speaker 1: It wasn't my secret to share with him. As it were.
37:14
Speaker 4: It was something that Australia, you know, needed to sort out.
37:19
Speaker 4: But I couldn't see any other way of organizing it.
37:22
Speaker 4: So we had a slightly peculiar summit.
37:25
Speaker 3: Baris Johnson, you know you were widely loved, You had
37:30
Speaker 3: wide popular support in Britain after Brexit, but during the
37:35
Speaker 3: COVID pandemic you were widely criticized, not just for party Gate.
37:39
Speaker 3: If you had your time again, would you still have
37:42
Speaker 3: the full lockdowns, the bands on children going to school's
37:47
Speaker 3: even playground, and the vaccine mandates.
37:51
Speaker 4: It's such a brilliant question, and I guess everybody in
37:53
Speaker 4: Australia asks them.
37:54
Speaker 1: We all ask ourselves that now.
37:56
Speaker 4: But you know, and a lot of people now with hindsight,
37:59
Speaker 4: say your locked down was wrong.
38:00
Speaker 1: Not I go through a lot of the arguments.
38:02
Speaker 4: I try to look at the evidence in unleashed and
38:05
Speaker 4: to discuss it all.
38:06
Speaker 1: But you've really got to ask yourself.
38:08
Speaker 4: What would we do if we had another one and
38:12
Speaker 4: we will get another one, and what will we do
38:14
Speaker 4: if this time the most vulnerable people weren't people who
38:19
Speaker 4: were in their agies. But what if it was school kids,
38:22
Speaker 4: you know, what would we really do to try to
38:25
Speaker 4: stop transmission?
38:27
Speaker 1: And it is incredibly difficult.
38:30
Speaker 4: I think that it's very easy to say that lockdown
38:33
Speaker 4: was overdone and a mistake and that we should have
38:38
Speaker 4: done something else, But that is not how it felt
38:40
Speaker 4: at the time. But what I am particularly proud of,
38:43
Speaker 4: and really Brexit did help deliver this is that the
38:46
Speaker 4: UK had the fastest vaccine rollout of any European country,
38:50
Speaker 4: and that was at least partly largely because we had
38:54
Speaker 4: come out of the European Union's institutions and we licensed
38:59
Speaker 4: those vaccines ASTROZENEKA, FISO the rest of them four or
39:04
Speaker 4: five weeks maybe more before the twenty seven EU countries,
39:08
Speaker 4: and so that meant that by March twenty twenty one,
39:10
Speaker 4: we were way, way, way out in front. And indeed,
39:14
Speaker 4: as you will discover in this book, it was the
39:15
Speaker 4: cause of considerable frustration on the part of our European friends.
39:21
Speaker 4: But there are many things I would do I would
39:26
Speaker 4: do differently, but I think that that vaccine roll.
39:30
Speaker 1: Out was certainly one of the things I'm proud to stop.
39:32
Speaker 4: And no doubt at all Brexit, for all its critics,
39:35
Speaker 4: Brexit helped deliberate Brexit. My friends saved lives and people
39:43
Speaker 4: may dispute that, but read this book and you'll see why.
39:46
Speaker 2: You went to Israel.
39:47
Speaker 3: After October seven with Scott Morrison in a solidarity visit
39:52
Speaker 3: in London. We saw tens of thousands of people take
39:56
Speaker 3: to the streets pro Palestinian marches that began before Israel's
40:00
Speaker 3: response had even started. There's been violence and aggression on
40:04
Speaker 3: the streets. Baris what's gone wrong here? Is this partly
40:08
Speaker 3: an immigration failure as some have suggested.
40:12
Speaker 4: No, Look, it's a terrible thing, which is that I
40:16
Speaker 4: was very proud to go with Scott to Israel to.
40:22
Speaker 1: See what had happened.
40:23
Speaker 4: And look, the trouble is that in all our societies,
40:31
Speaker 4: whether it's Australia, whether it's the UK, whether it's the
40:34
Speaker 4: United States of America, there is a virus of anti Semitism,
40:38
Speaker 4: the spores of which lurk beneath the floorboards.
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Speaker 1: And it comes out.
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Speaker 4: And you know, as soon as remember what happened on
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Speaker 4: October the seventh, twelve hundred people were massac of, tortured
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Speaker 4: an appalling innocent Jewish people. And what I find amazing
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Speaker 4: now is that people can't focus on the reality that
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Speaker 4: Israel is legitimately trying to prevent that type of massacre
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Speaker 4: from happening again.
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Speaker 1: And the people that.
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Speaker 4: Did it, whether her mass or other, they they want
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Speaker 4: to eradicate Israel entirely, and not just Israel, but every
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Speaker 4: Jewish person in the world. And frankly, any democratic leader
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Speaker 4: is entitled to try to protect his or her country
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Speaker 4: from that that sort of madness. And so yeah, look,
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Speaker 4: I'm firmly with Israel in their in their right to
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Speaker 4: self protection. And you know, I wish everybody had had
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Speaker 4: a bit more moral clarity about this, and I.
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Speaker 1: Agree with you completely.
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Speaker 4: It was weird to see demonstrations the day after that
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Speaker 4: massacre effectively in favor.
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Speaker 1: Of her act.
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Speaker 3: It's been absolutely terrible the world over, including in Australia,
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Speaker 3: as you'll see when you get here.
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Speaker 2: In a couple of months time.
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Speaker 3: But Boris Johnson, we've covered a lot of ground, was
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Speaker 3: foreign policy politics.
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you.
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Speaker 3: A final personal question, though, there is a great mystery
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Speaker 3: about you, something so simple.
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Speaker 2: How many children do you have.
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Speaker 1: Till? It's eight? Eight? So far?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so far, So there still might be others on
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Speaker 3: the horizon.
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Speaker 4: I didn't say that it's just eight eight eight, which
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Speaker 4: you know. What I would say about that is I've
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Speaker 4: been wrapped up. My handles are telling my going to
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Speaker 4: shut up. But I'll tell you we do face a demograph,
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Speaker 4: a demographic deficit in in the UK and many other
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Speaker 4: western countries as well. So I feel that, in spite
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Speaker 4: of the carbon footprint that I'm undoubtedly generating, I think
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Speaker 4: it's a it's a perfectly defensible thing to do.
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Speaker 2: Boris Johnson, thank you very much for your I'm great to.
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Speaker 4: Speak with you, real pleasure, lovely to talk to you.
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Speaker 4: Thank you very much and look forward to seeing you
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Speaker 4: in a few weeks time.
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Speaker 3: And as Boris Johnson just mentioned, he'll be in Australia shortly.
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Speaker 3: If you want to see more of him, head to
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Speaker 3: Boris Unleashed dot com. You can book tickets for his
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Speaker 3: Sydney event on Friday the sixth of December and in
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Speaker 3: Melbourne on Saturday the seventh of December. That's it, Boris
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Speaker 3: Unleashed dot com.
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Speaker 2: I like that line about a demographic deficit.
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Speaker 3: All right, still to come pro Palestinian protesters no bounds,
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Speaker 3: nearly ruining a packed out concert for a sold out show,
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Speaker 3: not the time and place, plus it's all a bit
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Speaker 3: deja vous, fatanya plebisec and we'll return to the Quantus.
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Speaker 2: Scandal that with my panel next.
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's bring it now News dot Com Deputy editor
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Speaker 3: Liz Burke and The Australians Associate editor Graham. Lloyd, Liz, Graham,
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Speaker 3: great to see you both. Look, let's return to the
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Speaker 3: biggest political story of the week, the Quantus scandal. The
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister has been refusing all interview requests, no press
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Speaker 3: conferences now.
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Speaker 2: For two days.
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Speaker 3: He didn't want to take questions because the last time
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Speaker 3: he did he got into a muddle, saying he called
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Speaker 3: some number for upgrades. Liz, your team has been covering
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Speaker 3: this story in a major way.
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Speaker 2: Are Australians angry.
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Speaker 3: About the idea of their prime minister getting twenty two
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Speaker 3: upgrades during a cost of living crisis?
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Speaker 13: That's definitely what our readers are telling us.
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Speaker 14: They're angry about the perks themselves, and they also seem
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Speaker 14: to be quite angry about the messaging. It's really difficult
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Speaker 14: to ascertain whether Albo is issuing denials or justifications, and
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Speaker 14: I think part of that is that you know that
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Speaker 14: lack of willingness to engage, particularly over the last couple
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Speaker 14: of days. What we do know is that Australians are
44:46
Speaker 14: really engaged on this issue. One in two Ozzie's reads
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Speaker 14: News dot com dot Au. So I think what our
44:51
Speaker 14: readers are engaging in it is a really good because
44:54
Speaker 14: you're a really good idea of what people are actually
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Speaker 14: interested in. And since this story emerged, Sam Maiden's exclusives
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Speaker 14: on these upgrades have been among the top stories every
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Speaker 14: day all week. So that gives you a really good
45:06
Speaker 14: idea of just how engaged people are.
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Speaker 13: So I found it astounding.
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Speaker 14: Today when it was reported that Albo had been telling
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Speaker 14: colleagues in private that, you know, he was dismissing this
45:16
Speaker 14: issue as a media concoction, that it was something that
45:19
Speaker 14: was going.
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Speaker 13: To blow over.
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Speaker 14: What our readers are telling us is that it's something
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Speaker 14: that readers are absolutely engaged on and they're pretty angry about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because the perception is starting to cement that he
45:29
Speaker 3: likes a freebee, that he likes the life of luxury,
45:32
Speaker 3: that he doesn't understand how tough Australians are doing it.
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Speaker 3: But Graham, the bottom line is Albert Easy took upgrades
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Speaker 3: worth tens of thousands of dollars from Quantus when he
45:44
Speaker 3: had oversight of the airline industry. It's a conflict of interest.
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Speaker 7: It's completely fraught the whole issue, and it cuts through
45:54
Speaker 7: in a way that a few other issues do because look, honestly,
45:59
Speaker 7: everybody would like to sit up the front of the plane.
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Speaker 7: And this is the problem for mister ALBINIZI is that
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Speaker 7: he's indulged in this at a time when it presents
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Speaker 7: a conflict of interest, which raises the question what was
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Speaker 7: Quantus expecting from its policy to upgrade politicians, what oversight
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Speaker 7: was there on that, and was there an ethical consideration
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Speaker 7: at all?
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Speaker 3: M all right, let's have a look at Melbourne now,
46:27
Speaker 3: because pro Palestinian protesters have tried to hijack a concert.
46:31
Speaker 3: You're going to have to forgive me. I don't know
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Speaker 3: the name of this person radio Heads. I'm not a
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Speaker 3: music person. Is it Tom York? Tom York?
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's have a look what happened.
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Speaker 3: Stage, I say what you want to say.
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Speaker 1: Don't stand there, money, charl and everyone come there and
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Speaker 1: say it. Everybody's name, Well, let's say sided Gaza. Oh.
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Speaker 3: I don't know Tom Yok, but I like him a lot.
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Speaker 3: Liz The truth is Australians are just so sick of this.
47:24
Speaker 3: People paid a lot of money to go see an
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Speaker 3: artist they have to deal with something that they probably
47:30
Speaker 3: don't agree with being shoved in their face.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, absolutely, you're right. People paid a lot of money.
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Speaker 14: I think the minimum prices of these tickets were about
47:37
Speaker 14: one hundred and twenty bucks to be within shouting distance
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Speaker 14: of the artist, you know, like which you would assume
47:43
Speaker 14: that the person who was able to grab his attention
47:46
Speaker 14: would be this person who came to protests probably paid
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Speaker 14: around two hundred dollars to do that and to ruin
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Speaker 14: everyone else's night.
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Speaker 13: I actually find it really.
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Speaker 14: Sad that people come to events like this and try
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Speaker 14: and get this kind of reaction and try to engage
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Speaker 14: with this. I think anyone who engages with this conflict
48:05
Speaker 14: knows that, you know, you're just constantly bombarded with misery
48:08
Speaker 14: and with devastation. The people who are making these protests
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Speaker 14: are often the same people who you know, claim to
48:13
Speaker 14: stand for peace. So I actually find it really sad
48:17
Speaker 14: that they, you know, also are then trying to deny
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Speaker 14: people of ninety minutes that's how long the show went
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Speaker 14: for of peace, and you know, to enjoy something beautiful.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, Graham. There's a time and a place.
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Speaker 3: You know, we don't all have to agree. People have
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Speaker 3: a right to protest, but stop ruining plays and concerts please.
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Speaker 9: Try.
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Speaker 7: And the thing about art shari is it supposed to
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Speaker 7: transcend politics. It's supposed to be something that can allow
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Speaker 7: people to retreat into themselves and inspect the world. Protesting
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Speaker 7: and calling out that's just this is the work of Bulgarians.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, okay, very quickly before we go, Liz thirty seconds
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Speaker 3: the Queensland Premier. New Queensland Premier David Chris Fully, he's
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Speaker 3: now delivering on his adult crime for adult time. So
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Speaker 3: this is where youths are given adult penalties. This has
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Speaker 3: got to be very popular in Queensland.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's been massively popular.
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Speaker 14: It was a big cornerstone of the obviously very successful
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Speaker 14: Queensland election campaign. And so Christo fully now believes that
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Speaker 14: he has a mandate to enforce these laws. He's fast
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Speaker 14: tracking them to get them in in time for Christmas.
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Speaker 14: It means that rather than you know, six weeks of
49:28
Speaker 14: being before parliamentary committees, they'll only be scrutinized for one week,
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Speaker 14: and for something that probably every expert and interested party
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Speaker 14: in Queensland has already weighed in on.
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Speaker 13: That seems like the right thing to do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, Liz Burke, Graheme Lloyd. Great to see you
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Speaker 3: both and that's all we've got time for tonight. I'll
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Speaker 3: see you on Monday. It's going to be a big
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Speaker 3: week of US election coverage.
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