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Heidi Adams: Ocean Romantasy & Mermaids · Two Girls, One TBR

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  Welcome back to 2 Girls, 1 TBR. Your TBR is going to be
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  dangerous. Today I'm Rebecca and I'm joined
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  by my book besties Chelsea and Heather.
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  This is your weekly guide to books that keep you up all
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  night, from spicy romanticy, dark fantasy to those morally
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  Gray book boyfriends we all know and love.
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  How are you girls doing today? Good.
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  Just waking up still. Same.
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  I slept actually pretty good last night.
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  The night before not so much, and my husband informed me the
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  night before that he said I kept snoring.
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  Or did I know that he said it? No, wait, he said.
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  It took many hours from his sleep.
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  Because I was sorry. Now remember, we do.
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  Ever or like try to move you. Well, I remember he woke me up.
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  Now remember, we sleep at the opposite ends of the bed because
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  my back was bothering me. And then I I sleep better if I
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  sleep at the end of the bed. He sleeps the other way, Right?
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  Like this? It doesn't.
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  Yeah, I saw. Yeah, my head's at the foot of
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  the bed and he sleeps it that way.
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  And so our our feet are, our middle sections are together,
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  but our feet are at the opposite sides of each other because our
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  mattress, even though it's a it's a really good mattress, but
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  my husband's a really big guy and it, it wants to dip a little
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  bit in the center now. And I feel like I always keep
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  rolling to the center. And it, it was hurting my back
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  because I couldn't sleep the way I want to do.
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  And by sleeping the opposite way, you don't get on that.
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  I don't get that. Yeah, but, but no, he scared me
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  to death. He said something to me like I
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  was in I must have been really sleeping, like hard sleeping
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  obviously since he said that was snoring and and woke me up and I
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  didn't know what was going on for a few minutes but he said I
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  continued to snore for some reason.
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  I must have been over tired Mama sleep.
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  She's tired. I was tired but now.
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  But last night I slept fantastic though.
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  It's one of those kind of things.
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  But I've been watching Bridgerton and I watched every
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  single episode of it, and I also watched Queen Charlotte's mini
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  Little Finish series. I did.
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  Really fast. Yeah, I.
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  Did that was a binge for sure. I still haven't finished the
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  last season. You haven't.
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  Finished last. Season.
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  It's really cute. I didn't understand why people
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  were saying they didn't like it. I really enjoyed it.
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  I thought it was so good. And now again, now I have never
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  watched it before so I didn't realize people were going like 2
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  years between seasons and stuff. And this is going to be the
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  first time in all the the seasons they had that a new one
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  will be coming out at the beginning of 2027.
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  So they're filming currently. So we're actually going to get
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  back-to-back. Seasons over a year, I thought
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  it was over. OK, so there is more.
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  There. Well, there's a way.
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  Where did you leave off then, Heather?
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  Where Penelope will. I don't want to spoil it for
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  people. They catch some money.
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  So then, have you not seen the newest season?
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  No, I think I watched the last episode of the season before.
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  So you OK cuz this one's this is Benedict.
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  Benedict. Benedict, Yeah, I haven't seen
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  his. Season.
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  It's cute, you'll like it. I think I loved it.
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  Yeah, and now they've already. Here.
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  So I I want to watch it, but yeah, they're like, wasn't
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  Penelope going to get married? Like she she's engaged.
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  Yeah, that's where I am at the end of that one.
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  The Colin and Penelope. That's their love story.
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  Yeah. Did you now?
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  I didn't notice this at first, but each child, all their names,
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  they go in alphabetical order. I don't.
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  I never paid attention to that cuz.
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  And then they already did the teaser for season 5 and it's
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  going to be Francesca. OK.
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  So it'll be interesting to. See that?
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  That's the controversial season. Yes.
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  Because they went away from the books.
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  Can't you know, Canon and changed it up.
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  But I'm excited for it. I'm sure it's gonna be good.
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  I think I have not read the books, but usually when I don't
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  read the books and then I watch the show, it's fine.
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  Yeah, but it's like the opposite way.
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  If I have read the books and then I watch the movie or the
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  show, I'm like. Yeah, now, and that's the
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  problem is somebody like me who hasn't read the books, I'm like,
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  I don't care. I'm just excited for it to come
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  out. But the people who read the
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  books are like, that's not how it's supposed to be.
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  And I. Get that?
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  Yeah, I do too. I mean the same way when I read
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  it so. Well, now I did watch a thing
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  with the the author. It was an interview and stuff
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  and they were talking to her about that.
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  Because the show has veered, you know, from each book.
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  You know, I mean, it's still the, the meat and bones are
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  still there, but they have changed some things.
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  And she said she loves what they're doing and she doesn't
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  care. So the people that read the book
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  shouldn't care either if the author herself doesn't care.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I love.
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  Don't think that it belongs to them because they're the reader
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  and they need to calm down. I think they've done a
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  beautiful. Extremist.
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  With the the production and everything that they have done,
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  I mean it's been. Beautiful.
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  The sets are beautiful, the clothing is beautiful.
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  I've I love the actors. They've all been great.
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  Yeah, well, they said in the one, I think it was season 1,
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  and one of the balls they set or between all the balls and
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  different things that happened in season 1, they had over 200
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  dresses and costumes and they have to make all these.
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  And then the one of my favorite things, Eloise is my favorite.
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  I have to tell you that she is my my spirit animal.
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  I love her. I love her faces that she makes.
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  She can't control it and I just love it.
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  And Queen Charlotte's wigs. Yeah, I love her.
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  Wigs. But now, have you watched her
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  miniseries? Heather?
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  The one where it talks with her? Oh, where?
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  She's younger. Isn't that when she's like
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  younger and like how she becomes queen?
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  I haven't seen yes. It's so good, Heather.
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  Yeah, it was. Yes, it's.
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  Very emotional for me, like I I wanted to cry.
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  Yeah, it was weird. I did cry on the last episode
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  because at the last part of the last episode, it's such a
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  touching moment and you'll see when you watch it and it's just
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  like, it's, that's love. It's love, love.
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  Yeah. It's beautiful.
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  You have to watch it. It's really good.
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  But but that is my that's what I've been watching on Netflix.
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  Well, I can't watch it now because I've watched it all now.
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  Find something else. Well, they do.
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  Have their podcast watch. Emily in Paris, I love that
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  show. Oh, I have to try.
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  That's a good one. And Daniel can make fun of it as
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  I watch it. Yeah.
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  He did watch Bridgerton for a little while, yeah.
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  But then he missed a whole bunch because I binged because I
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  wasn't going to wait on him anymore.
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  And because that's what he does to me.
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  And then he's like, it's because I was in Season 4 and I watched
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  a few of the last ones on the TV in our bedroom instead of just
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  on my tablet. And he's like, I don't
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  understand what's going on. He's like, he's like, I like
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  Season 1 best. I said it's because you missed a
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  whole bunch of context. And I told him, I said, if you
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  watched it, I said you would understand.
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  He's like, well, why don't we have the people from the first
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  season? I said, because each season is
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  somebody's love story. I said it's not focused on them
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  anymore. But the girl who played Daphne,
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  she has not been asked back. But she said if they ever did
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  ask her back, she would be back. You know, on the show.
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  That's sad that they don't. Want to continue?
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  I get, I don't know. I've watched a recent interview
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  with her and she said yes she would be.
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  She would love to come back. Well, no, maybe that was the
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  male. The male lead.
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  What's his name? The one that played Anthony.
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  No, the one that is her husband in the first season.
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  Oh, the dude. The Simon he was, but I don't
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  know what his real name was. Really.
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  Yeah, I think he didn't want to come back.
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  That's why in Season 2, you don't see him.
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  Like she visits the family with her baby.
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  Oh, without him, yeah. Well, then they did say that
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  there is 2 possible miniseries because we did Charlotte, Queen
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  Charlotte. They said they think they're
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  going to do Lady Bridgerton and do her story.
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  And it's also possibly Queen Charlotte's the the guy that's
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  always 5 paces behind her. I can't remember what his name
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  is. You know it's.
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  Oh yes. They're going to do his love.
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  Story His story was sad in Queen Charlotte.
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  It was. We got a.
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  Little bit and even like Lady Danbury, it's like sad.
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  I love her, I love her, but I can see.
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  How across the old lady you know that has like you will
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  understand her so much attitude. I love her.
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  But wait till you watch Queen Charlotte, you will understand
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  her so much more. And they said it's possible they
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  might do a possible story of her as well, even though we just got
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  to see a little bit. That would be interesting.
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  Hers was kind of. Darker Hatter, so I don't know.
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  I don't know. Funny Lord Danberry gets into
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  the gossip tear. She's like, who is this?
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  We must find them. Yeah.
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  Well, and see, when you watch Queen Charlotte's, you
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  understand how she comes into the position she is in and how
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  she ends up with Queen Charlotte and all that stuff.
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  And then you also get to meet Lord Danbury.
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  That's all I'm going to say. That's the face I make with him.
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  That was the perfect. The actor, they got to play him.
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  He was perfect for that role, absolutely.
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  But you know, the thing that got me is that she had four children
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  and lady, you know, because when we were watching season 1 and
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  you see her, you know, talking with Simon and cuz you cuz I
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  thought, well, maybe she was like a spinster kind of lady and
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  she never had children. That's why, you know, it was her
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  friend and she, you know, helped do things with Simon and stuff
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  like that. But that is not the case.
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  But as I have looked in the future, because I looked at the
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  synopsises on the all eight books Richardson that comes back
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  to play when we get to Hyacinth story.
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  Is that the youngest? Sister, the youngest sister see
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  every season. Remember all this like these
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  names? I don't watch this in a long.
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  Time. Once you watch the newest
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  season, she's a little bit more prominent.
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  She's more and more prominent. She's getting older and like
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  she's coming into her and. Then before her.
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  Then there's the younger brother, There's Gregory.
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  Because see, when lady, Lady Bridgerton there when her, when
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  her husband passed and stuff, because that has to do with when
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  she was having Hyacinth hyacinth That's why Hyacinths her last
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  baby. Yeah, she had eight babies.
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  I, I, I think my favorite part of Lady Bridgerton, though, is
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  how she, she doesn't know how to explain anything to her
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  daughters. So they have no idea what's
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  coming at them once they get married.
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  And and then I don't remember what season.
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  Is it season 4 or is it season 3 where Lady Featherton has to?
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  Explain to her daughters, Yes, that's my favorite part of that
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  episode. They're like when do stuff and
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  she's like, no. She said well when he inserts
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  and then and her daughter goes inserts what where?
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  Yeah, like what? I didn't realize back then that
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  they didn't explain things very well.
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  Yeah, because they didn't want the women to know.
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  They wanted it to be like, very innocent.
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  Wait for the day, Yeah. I'd be quite so.
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  That's what's kind of gross about it, is that they didn't
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  like the the men wanted their women to not know what was going
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  to happen to them. Like it's just kind of yeah,
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  kind of ick. And then the men could do
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  whatever and they could always take a mistress.
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  And it doesn't necessarily mean they were married mistress.
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  It just meant she was not necessarily of his, you know,
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  you know, his status and stuff. Like the oldest son with his
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  opera singer lady. Yeah.
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  Because he really, he really loved her.
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  When you watch that all season 1, you know, he was going to.
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  I don't think he was necessarily going to give everything up for
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  her, but he was going to bring her to society with him.
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  And he was had those flowers and then she had that guy.
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  And she just, she told him to let her go.
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  Yeah. I think it's because she truly
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  knew he never really could have her.
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  Couldn't commit being the oldest son, yeah.
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  He was. The Viscount is not what he is.
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  Because he's the household, yeah.
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  Because they all have different. Because there's the Duke, that's
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  that's something or whatever. And then he, whatever their
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  thing is, that's his title, whatever that is.
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  And then Francesca's husband, he was something.
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  I don't remember if he was. He was part of Parliament.
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  He was part of part, but he had a title though.
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  Was he? I don't think he.
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  Was he a Lord, or was he? Well, they're all technically
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  titled. Yeah, they're all yeah.
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  OK. Oh yes, so Heather, you need to
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  watch this so we can finish discussing this so you we can
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  talk about the emotional damage of Queen Charlotte.
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  Yes, I have stopped signing up for arcs so I can like, catch up
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  on life. Yeah, and Arcs, like I'm beta
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  reading right now and it's a big book, so it's going to be a
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  while. And then I'm like ARC reading a
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  few things that are due in June and then I want my TBR.
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  So I'm like listening to like Fury Bound right now.
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  I've got a lot of things going on.
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  And then? What are you 2?
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  Chaotic. What are you, 2 actually
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  reading? Reading.
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  Well, that's what you're doing. You're about.
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  How about you, Chelsea? I finished the Ever King last
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  night. So.
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  Good, so good. And then I finally got through
• 13:55
  book four of the Blood and Ash series that I've been listening
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  to. OK, yes, there's a.
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  Problem. It's gruesome.
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  No. Yes, there's a threesome.
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  They finally. Get finally happens.
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  Oh, that's good to know. So that happened and but now I'm
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  on book five. I thought it was over, but I'm
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  like, there's another book and then I'm going to start, oh, I
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  was arc reading. Technically The Throne of Broken
• 14:25
  Gods by Amber V Nicole, the Gods and Monsters series #2 even
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  though it's already out, it's technically an arc read.
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  And then, yeah. And then I got to pull something
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  from oh, I need to read Fury Bound.
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  That's because that's the book club pick, so I got to start
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  that. Yeah, that's good.
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  Yeah. It's a lot.
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  What about you, Rebecca? I'm reading Your Path is Sorrow
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  by Parker Garner. I started it because for a
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  little bit before we did her episode.
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  It's very good. I really like her writing.
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  You read it, it's like it you, you fly through it kind of
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  thing. She's very visual, so when
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  you're reading you really see the world.
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  She's very good at world building.
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  It's very good. She does such a great job of,
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  like, giving you just enough in each chapter 2 and then, like,
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  ending the chapter exactly where you need it to be to, like, get
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  you like that angst of like, OK, now I need more.
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  And then you're, like, into a different chapter and some other
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  things could be happening. Like it.
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  It just drives you in. Yeah.
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  Until like it's very, it's very good.
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  Even binge, Yeah. Very.
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  Captivating. So now, once I get done with
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  that and now I will of course continue on with her series.
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  But the next one I'm going to read.
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  After that I'm going to read this one here.
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  Yeah. I had that out.
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  Yeah, I need to read that too. So that will be my once I get
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  done with this. I'm going to read this one
• 15:56
  because AG will be visiting us in June.
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  And she's. Got it.
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  I know. Everybody.
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  And she's actually on vacation right now.
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  I've been talking to her. She's been in Japan, yes, that's
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  awesome. She's got some cool reels and
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  she got bit by a deer. And what is it Nara, where that
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  is in Japan? I don't know the name, but she
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  was like, I guess there's rogue deer that you could feed.
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  Yeah. And they were like coming at her
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  and she had some kind of like feed for him.
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  And she ended up like getting bit on her forearm by one.
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  Yeah. It's like, I'm going to turn.
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  She's you're going to shift. Yeah.
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  And she's not. My sister has been there and she
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  said the same thing. There's some that are very
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  brazen and then you have the good deer that are very polite
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  and bow to you. That's.
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  Cool. And she's so and she's so soft
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  spoken and stuff so I can't even imagine her when this is
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  happening around her. But she's been going everywhere
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  and, and she said her husband planned and he has all kinds of
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  like tours and all this kind of stuff.
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  I told her I said like the one tour.
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  She, I think she told me it was yesterday, the day before it was
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  a 7 hour tour. I told her I don't think I could
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  do that, but I know Daniel wouldn't be able to.
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  That's a all day. That's all Day, yeah.
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  I mean part, I'm sure it's. I like that.
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  Super fun. Chelsea travel a lot.
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  And I mean, when I go and travel, I'm looking at all the
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  history, all the culture, all the eating, all the drinking.
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  Immerse me into this new place and I want to soak it all in,
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  yeah. I get, I get panicked like if if
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  I'm in a crowd of too many people, I have like a almost
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  like panic attack kind of thing. And I don't do well in those
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  kind of situations. So I kind of like when we go
• 17:46
  places, I like to go places where there isn't a lot of
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  people, you know, that kind of thing.
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  Like go to see a battlefield or go see an ancient Ice Age burial
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  mound. I like to go.
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  Look at those kind. Of things, but I don't want to
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  like we have Kentucky Kingdom right here.
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  We wanted to go to amusement park.
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  It's right here. Do you think you will ever have
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  me there or at hurricane bank? Absolutely not.
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  Do you think I would go to the I don't know.
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  They have all different things downtown Louisville.
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  Am I going to go to them? No Am I going to go to down to
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  4th St. life? No.
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  I just, I it's too many people I don't like.
• 18:20
  I don't even like going to the mall.
• 18:21
  I don't like going to Costco on the weekend because there's too
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  many people aggravating. That's not fun, like at least
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  like going to Disneyland or something that's you have fun
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  entertainment there. Many people Costco groceries.
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  I love going to Costco. It's like my mini vacation.
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  But then again, a lot of times it's because I'm by myself and I
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  don't go a lot of places by myself.
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  I will not my people. I'm by myself.
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  Like I hate bringing the kids there.
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• 19:35
  And also if you go to our Instagram, we do have a post and
• 19:38
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• 19:42
  thing. It's like for you to confess
• 19:44
  your bookish sins kind of thing. This stuff that you don't want
• 19:48
  to say out loud and get yelled at on book Instagram by people
• 19:51
  that don't agree with your opinion, you can do anonymously.
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  We've actually gotten quite a few little responses so far.
• 19:58
  So so. Hopefully.
• 20:00
  So when are you going to share those?
• 20:02
  How does that work? Well, we're going to next
• 20:04
  episode Heather and I are going to be doing, we're going to be
• 20:06
  recording for our our tropes and stuff.
• 20:08
  And so we're going to be talking about some of those confessions.
• 20:12
  So, but I'm hoping as people do even more, we can do a several
• 20:17
  of them every episode and let people know some things.
• 20:21
  Yeah, because some of them have been really good and have been
• 20:24
  very interesting to say the least.
• 20:26
  I want to see these. All right.
• 20:30
  Also, my TBR has climbed again. I'm at 335 books.
• 20:35
  I went up, I went up six books because, well, things keep
• 20:39
  coming out and I keep seeing stuff and so I keep adding.
• 20:42
  Them I know. To my list have has your list
• 20:46
  have they been staying or have you has yours been climbing as
• 20:50
  well? Yeah, mine climbed a little bit,
• 20:52
  but not much. I'm trying to like read as much
• 20:56
  off of it as possible. Yeah.
• 20:58
  I think the problem is more that it stays stagnant because we
• 21:01
  keep picking up arcs and stuff. So it just, yeah.
• 21:05
  I'm a 300 and some it's going to take me a bit to go through
• 21:08
  them. Yeah.
• 21:09
  But I have found a couple really good ones.
• 21:11
  And then of course I'm excited about I think quarter three and
• 21:14
  quarter four are going to be amazing this year from just
• 21:17
  everything that's coming out. I have a lot of pre-orders right
• 21:20
  now. I don't think I have anything
• 21:22
  coming in June, but I know in July, August, September, October
• 21:27
  I have I have pre-orders. Are you guys going to pre-order
• 21:31
  book 3IN Quicksilver? I don't know whatever that
• 21:34
  series is called. I haven't even heard anything
• 21:37
  about it. I haven't read Brimstone yet.
• 21:39
  I have brimstone staying on my shelf.
• 21:40
  I haven't. Had it yet?
• 21:41
  No, I haven't read it SO. But Book 3 does come out in
• 21:45
  November, but there is No title to it yet.
• 21:48
  But people are kind of people got weird with brimstone, you
• 21:52
  know, because I don't know is it because of the actual story?
• 21:55
  Is it because when it went through edit they they messed up
• 22:00
  like a couple things that didn't made it not make sense.
• 22:03
  But you read it, Heather, Yes. Yeah, I didn't notice that
• 22:06
  stuff, but I also listened to it.
• 22:09
  So maybe that was overseen or that could be, I don't recall
• 22:15
  that. I mean, Anthony Palmini can make
• 22:18
  anything sound good, whether the story makes sense or not.
• 22:21
  Like, yes, Sir, yes, carry on. Was there?
• 22:24
  Yes, I'm sorry, but Carrion drives that story.
• 22:31
  I think he's. Hilarious.
• 22:33
  The best, yeah, I'm excited for, I think in the third book like
• 22:38
  that's that'll be his arc is in the third book.
• 22:41
  I'm excited for him. And I believe it's only a
• 22:44
  trilogy. I think this book 3 is the last
• 22:47
  book. I don't think it's going to
• 22:48
  continue on. I don't know.
• 22:50
  I'm. Like I'm contemplating it.
• 22:53
  Yeah, I'm OK with that. I think I like this.
• 22:58
  I like it, but I'm not, like, in love with it.
• 23:01
  Like you have to read that. Story.
• 23:03
  I loved Quicksilver. I absolutely, absolutely love
• 23:06
  that story, but I don't know, I don't know if it's just because
• 23:12
  of like I've seen the the polarization of it or you know,
• 23:17
  you know, if that's tainting my thoughts about it, but I don't
• 23:22
  know. We'll have to.
• 23:24
  We'll see if it when it gets closer to when book 3 comes out.
• 23:29
  I think that might be when I'll read Brimstone.
• 23:31
  Yeah, there's a few series that I have started and I still have
• 23:36
  not completed because I'm like Oh well there's another like 2
• 23:40
  books or something. Let me not grab at that right
• 23:43
  away. So with like When the Moon
• 23:46
  Hatched, I really want to read that series, but then Book 2
• 23:50
  just came out or is coming out and, you know, then I think
• 23:55
  there's a third book and who knows how long that's going to
• 23:57
  take. So I don't know.
• 23:59
  I might wait on that too. Yeah.
• 24:01
  So yeah, there's a lot that I'm just like, I'm collecting them
• 24:04
  and I'm buying them, but they're just going to sit there until
• 24:08
  it's. Completed.
• 24:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is This is why I have not
• 24:12
  read 4th Wing, because I'm going to wait.
• 24:15
  I'm going to wait it out. Hopefully I can wait it out, but
• 24:18
  I just have so many to read, you know, so I it can wait.
• 24:24
  I do want to read The Ashes of Thesmar.
• 24:28
  I want to get that read. I really do want to read Throne
• 24:30
  of Glass before, before a guitar comes out there.
• 24:34
  A guitar 6 comes out. Yeah, that's a.
• 24:37
  Long. Series girlfriend.
• 24:40
  I know, and that's the problem. So I might just just be like,
• 24:44
  you know, I write the other two. Too.
• 24:46
  Do you ever do audiobooks? I do.
• 24:48
  Not do audiobooks. You should have dabble in that.
• 24:51
  Yeah, you. Should really try think.
• 24:53
  About it. Think about.
• 24:54
  It like while you're cooking or doing your chores like your deep
• 24:57
  cleaning that you do and stuff like just throw the headphones
• 25:01
  on. I might do that, maybe this
• 25:04
  summer while I mow my grass. Yeah, that's when I listed to my
• 25:07
  murder podcast. There's not graphic audio, is
• 25:10
  there? Graphic audio of Throne of
• 25:11
  Glass. OK, so that was supposed to come
• 25:13
  out like a year and a half ago. I ordered it on audible and they
• 25:17
  keep pushing it and then it was supposed to come out this August
• 25:19
  and they pushed it again to the summer but.
• 25:22
  I've heard that the regular audio's good.
• 25:24
  Yeah, Yeah. So even if you just did that,
• 25:28
  I'm sure. And they're like, I will do that
• 25:30
  for that one. They're real cheap, usually on
• 25:33
  sale so. Excited though, I'm I'm super
• 25:36
  excited for for book 6 to see where it goes, to see what our
• 25:40
  theories are and I've been sending Chelsea new theories.
• 25:44
  So buckle up everyone. I'm hoping to have another
• 25:47
  Achtar miniseries coming because there's people have been coming
• 25:51
  up with some even more interesting thing, things that
• 25:54
  we hadn't even thought about, and it has made me go.
• 25:57
  That's all I'm going to say. All right, now let's talk real
• 26:03
  quick about our poison and potion.
• 26:06
  It's time. Today we are leaning into the
• 26:08
  Rose moon mermaid lore of two special blends because we are
• 26:12
  bringing Heidi Adams on to deal with her book.
• 26:14
  So the first one is the Lunar Tide, and that's the alcoholic
• 26:20
  one, and the mocktail is the Meridian.
• 26:23
  Is that how you say that? Meridian.
• 26:25
  Meridian Pearl. So those will be up on our on
• 26:30
  our Instagram under Sips. So if you want to make those,
• 26:32
  they do look like they'd be fancy.
• 26:34
  And Heather, I do hope at some point you can make these.
• 26:37
  I know I'm trying to gather ingredients.
• 26:40
  I just, it's really hard to take 3 kids into an ABC store.
• 26:45
  Yeah, liquor store. There's a lot of glass things.
• 26:48
  Yeah. That makes me nervous.
• 26:51
  Yeah, well, I just can't imagine like A-12 and A5 year old like
• 26:56
  tagging a lot liquor store with me.
• 26:59
  So yeah, I don't go there often, but you know, there's always
• 27:05
  Amazon. Maybe maybe they can help me
• 27:07
  out, I guess. Amazon does sell a lot of
• 27:11
  things. Can you order alcohol over
• 27:13
  Amazon? I don't know.
• 27:14
  I know there are some services that allow wine and beer to be
• 27:20
  delivered, but liquor is so strange in the South and like,
• 27:25
  the Bible Belt States and stuff. California, they'd be like, fuck
• 27:29
  yeah, I'm coming to your house. Can I party with you too?
• 27:33
  Gosh, I miss California grocery stores.
• 27:36
  And you could like go in and grab like a handle of like any
• 27:40
  time of day, anything, any time of day, every day.
• 27:45
  And you just grab, I mean, and it's like $17.00, right?
• 27:48
  Like out here handle is like 35 bucks really.
• 27:52
  So yeah, it's bad. Like.
• 27:55
  They have to pay attention. To the liquor here.
• 27:58
  It's, it's weird in Kentucky because I've told you there's
• 28:01
  dry County, so you can't buy any alcohol Sundays.
• 28:05
  If you're here in the county that we live in, you can buy
• 28:09
  liquor. But if you go into the county
• 28:12
  right next to us, you can't buy liquor until like, like, no, no,
• 28:16
  you're like one in the afternoon.
• 28:18
  You have to get past church, past the church time.
• 28:21
  Yes. There's I live in a completely
• 28:23
  different world from you guys. This is.
• 28:25
  I can't even believe that. Yeah, but now, but you can buy
• 28:30
  wine and stuff like say I go to Kroger, you can go, they have
• 28:34
  it. It's it's part of Kroger, but
• 28:35
  it's not inside Kroger. It's like a separate little
• 28:38
  thing. And that's where you can go buy
• 28:39
  all your wines. And I think they have every
• 28:42
  Kroger sells everything the grocery stores have.
• 28:46
  Wine and beer, but usually not liquor.
• 28:48
  You have to. Costco does though.
• 28:50
  Store to go to liquor yeah, Costco will but it and then in
• 28:56
  Kansas when I lived there for a while they would only sell in
• 29:01
  the grocery store like beer that was like 2 1/2 percent or
• 29:05
  something like that instead of like it was like half of the
• 29:08
  percentage of what a regular beer would be so.
• 29:10
  That's that's weird too, yeah. So unless you went to the liquor
• 29:13
  store in Kansas, you could get the full alcoholic beverage.
• 29:17
  But if you went to the grocery store and bought beer, it was a
• 29:20
  different percentage. Isn't that straight?
• 29:23
  I mean just. Like now, you can buy beer here.
• 29:25
  We'll come up with in different counties and States and stuff.
• 29:27
  It's like so weird. Why?
• 29:29
  Are you? Getting this so hard, I don't
• 29:31
  know, Yeah. You can buy beer like go to
• 29:34
  Kroger, go to Walmart, go any of those.
• 29:36
  You can buy 6 packs and you can buy you can buy 1230 packs.
• 29:41
  Oh, no, there are five you can buy the the big tall ones.
• 29:46
  You know what I'm talking about the big tall boy beers, you
• 29:48
  know, those really big ones and some of them are like 810% and
• 29:51
  you can buy those at Walmart that here.
• 29:53
  But now we're us from in Pennsylvania, you couldn't buy
• 29:56
  any alcohol in the grocery store.
• 29:58
  And if you wanted to buy beer, you had to go to the
• 30:01
  distribution center and you'd have to buy in cases of beer 24
• 30:05
  or more. And then if you wanted hard
• 30:07
  liquor of any kind or wine, doesn't matter, all of that, you
• 30:11
  had to go to the the Wine and Spirit store.
• 30:14
  So Pennsylvania is very restrictive and weird, even
• 30:18
  though people drink like, fish up there.
• 30:21
  But here in Kentucky, you can get it.
• 30:23
  And then Bud Light is the most popular beer here.
• 30:26
  But my husband does not drink that.
• 30:28
  He does not. I'm, of course, like drinking
• 30:31
  water. Yeah.
• 30:32
  Chorus Family. I don't drink beer at all.
• 30:35
  I don't like it. I know.
• 30:37
  I just don't like it's like every time I drink it, I do this
• 30:40
  face every time I take a sip of it.
• 30:41
  Craft beers, really. I loved when brewery like
• 30:46
  microbrewery started popping up. That was my jam before.
• 30:49
  Kids like going to the new microbrewery, trying all their
• 30:52
  new craft beers that they're making, and then they usually
• 30:55
  had like phenomenal food like or food trucks that pastimes, you
• 31:00
  know? See, I just, I have to have
• 31:02
  sweet, like dessert wines with my wine coolers.
• 31:06
  That's what I like. But I will drink, I will do
• 31:08
  mixed drinks. I will drink whiskey and stuff
• 31:10
  like that. But beer, not a fan.
• 31:13
  But like, but now my husband gets like German beer.
• 31:16
  Like when it's Oktoberfest starting in like the end of July
• 31:19
  and August, you can start getting it.
• 31:22
  Yeah, I'll drink it a little bit.
• 31:23
  I'll drink that because it's a different.
• 31:25
  Taste multi year, yeah. And, and it doesn't give me like
• 31:29
  a headache or anything like that.
• 31:30
  I can't drink champagne. Champagne gives me a headache.
• 31:33
  Yeah. I'm going to drink again real
• 31:35
  quick. He's whining, so he needs It's
• 31:37
  a. Baby or the baby?
• 31:39
  I love Chelsea's little dog there.
• 31:41
  He's just so sweet. Has your children look to Tooth
• 31:44
  from the window yet? I think hubby brought them
• 31:46
  somewhere. I have not heard them.
• 31:48
  Oh, I don't know where they had went.
• 31:50
  The drama. Because I'm surprised they don't
• 31:52
  have their their nose up to the glass going.
• 31:55
  I know. Well, they and then they take
• 31:58
  their monster trucks and they go up and down the glass window
• 32:00
  pane. Oh my God, scratch the glass.
• 32:06
  You'll have to do that fancy stained glass.
• 32:09
  I already warned my husband, I said because we know we we have
• 32:13
  ADHD here. And so I started a hobby and I
• 32:16
  usually don't finish. And I'm actually very proud that
• 32:18
  I finished my embroidery finally.
• 32:20
  So I did it. It is that one thing has been
• 32:24
  completed and then I was like my next one is going to be the
• 32:27
  stained glass painting. It's like, so if you see a $50
• 32:32
  charge for paint, that's what it is.
• 32:34
  I'm going to start I. Love that.
• 32:37
  He's like, so. Happy that you brought him in,
• 32:39
  Daddy, you forget what you said his name is.
• 32:43
  Parker. Parker, Yeah.
• 32:45
  He's just such a good boy. I know.
• 32:47
  OK, all right. He's obsessed.
• 32:50
  We're obsessed with each other. He's a sweet baby.
• 32:52
  Yes, sweet all. Right.
• 32:53
  Well, we'll be right back, everyone.
• 32:56
  I'm going to go get Heidi, so we'll be back in a few moments.
• 33:01
  Hey, welcome, Heidi Adams, how are you today?
• 33:06
  Welcome to the podcast. Thank you.
• 33:08
  I'm fantastic. So happy to be there.
• 33:10
  Yes, we're excited to get talking about all your books and
• 33:14
  maybe some new news. Is that what I heard?
• 33:17
  Perhaps. Perhaps.
• 33:19
  Perhaps. You know me, I like my secrets,
• 33:21
  so welcome. Now, now, you were, you wrote.
• 33:27
  When we were doing our little questionnaire thing.
• 33:30
  You said that you do nightly episodes of the Game of Thrones.
• 33:36
  Are you still watching them? I know because I finished.
• 33:39
  I caught up there, you know, right.
• 33:41
  Yeah, I'm all caught up. It was my second.
• 33:43
  Game of Thrones is one of my favorite shows, and I and my
• 33:46
  husband and I decided to do a complete rewatch.
• 33:49
  Well, he fell asleep every night.
• 33:51
  So it was basically just to be doing the say the rewatch.
• 33:55
  But I did I was watching 1A night and it took it took a
• 33:59
  little quite a long time, but now I'm I'm caught up and it's
• 34:04
  amazing when you do that with a show, you know, if you reread a
• 34:07
  book for a second time that you love or you rewatch a show or a
• 34:09
  movie. I caught so many other things
• 34:13
  that I never noticed the first time around, especially with
• 34:16
  House of the dragon, the prequel and things like that.
• 34:19
  And you know, Night of the Seven Kingdoms, that other spin offs
• 34:22
  they have that that's all in that world.
• 34:24
  And I was like, Oh my God, that's what they're talking
• 34:26
  about. I had no idea the first time.
• 34:28
  I know I watched it. Yeah, I've.
• 34:30
  Never watched it. You haven't.
• 34:34
  It's so good. On my first my husband and I
• 34:37
  have been watching it also, but we took a break after the Red
• 34:40
  Wedding because it was really hard to watch it.
• 34:44
  It wasn't. It's funny because actually this
• 34:46
  second time around there's about 5 parts where I was like, Nope,
• 34:50
  not watching that. And I, I knew and that was one
• 34:52
  of the things I skipped over and there was like 5 other parts
• 34:56
  that I knew were coming and, and, and it was kind of like a
• 34:59
  blessing in disguise that I was like, we're not watching that.
• 35:01
  So yeah, that was nice. Skip all over it.
• 35:05
  Oh, yeah, We both like looked at each other after that episode
• 35:08
  ended and our both of our droughts were like, what did we
• 35:11
  just watch? And so we've taken a little bit
• 35:13
  of a break. It's.
• 35:15
  What season is that in? 4-3 or four, it's early on.
• 35:20
  It is still We need to get third, we need to get.
• 35:23
  Back How many seasons are there? 7888.
• 35:26
  Isn't there 878? 6.
• 35:30
  I think there's eight, I think, I honestly think there's 8
• 35:32
  because the, the last season in my brain, I wasn't really a fan
• 35:36
  of the last season except for the 1st 2 episodes.
• 35:38
  So I kind of in my, in my mind, in my mind, the show ends after
• 35:42
  a particular part and then I like like to erase the last like
• 35:46
  5 episodes after that or something because I just, I
• 35:49
  didn't like because I didn't, they went off the book.
• 35:51
  So the books, they, you know, the show passed the book.
• 35:54
  So you know, they wrote it their own way.
• 35:56
  And I yeah, really a fan. My brother-in-law was telling me
• 35:59
  about that this weekend because he read all the books and then
• 36:02
  watched it. And he was telling me that a lot
• 36:03
  of it, especially the Red Wedding part, he's like, that's
• 36:06
  does not happen that way in the books.
• 36:08
  And I was like, oh, well, that's good to know.
• 36:09
  Maybe I could actually read the book then.
• 36:12
  Yeah. I never read the book so.
• 36:14
  I read. I.
• 36:16
  Read the first one and then audio book for the 2nd and I
• 36:19
  have to say the first two books are exactly.
• 36:23
  I mean with like some added like detail and conversation and of
• 36:26
  course. But like, they're pretty spot on
• 36:29
  to the show. OK, what I remember.
• 36:32
  But then I didn't continue because then I was like, well,
• 36:36
  they're very similar. So you just.
• 36:37
  But I know that there's. Yeah.
• 36:40
  But I know people that have read it are like, know there's more
• 36:43
  characters involved and there's like different kind of clans
• 36:47
  and, you know, territories and wars going on and stuff like
• 36:52
  that. So there is more than what we
• 36:54
  see. And follows like follow certain
• 36:57
  characters, right? Like to different like there's
• 36:59
  more, yeah. Yeah, like I guess Arya in the
• 37:02
  second book has more details, like more of her story where I
• 37:08
  think like in the episodes it's kind of very like he or she is
• 37:12
  doing this little part like the main parts in the book.
• 37:16
  But there is more. For.
• 37:17
  A while, right? Yeah.
• 37:19
  So she has more of a story about you.
• 37:22
  That's cool. Well let me ask you this now.
• 37:24
  Like with 4th wing, 4th wing is going to have their it's TV
• 37:29
  adaptation or whatever Chelsea knows.
• 37:31
  About this. Now do do we think it's going to
• 37:35
  be as is it going to be as good as the books or do you think
• 37:39
  it's going to? What's your thoughts?
• 37:42
  We have to hope. We have to hope that it's going
• 37:44
  to be as good as stuff. I don't know.
• 37:45
  I see, I always just watch the show.
• 37:49
  I love the first two books I haven't read Onyx Storm is the
• 37:53
  third one right? Yeah, yeah.
• 37:55
  That's. The third, OK I have not read
• 37:57
  that one yet. I read the first two, loved
• 37:59
  them. I have Onyx Storm ready to go
• 38:01
  but I might have to do like a recap somehow.
• 38:04
  Like the clean look at the summary of the 1st 2 before I
• 38:07
  started. But man, I hope, I hope they,
• 38:12
  it'll be really interesting. I think a lot of it's going to
• 38:14
  come down to casting. I think they really have to do
• 38:16
  the right casting. Yes, for.
• 38:18
  That I'm not worried. I'm not worried about them
• 38:20
  creating the world. Like I'm sure they're going to
• 38:23
  do a great job of that, but it's got to be, I kind of hope that
• 38:28
  they do like no name people in a way.
• 38:30
  I didn't do. Yeah, no pressure on like, but
• 38:34
  that guy reminds me of this or this girl says things this way
• 38:38
  and it irks me. And yeah, yeah, it might be best
• 38:42
  just to like, have newbies, yeah.
• 38:44
  Well didn't they say Quicksilver is going to have an adaptation
• 38:48
  as well? Yeah, really, there's a.
• 38:51
  Lot of them coming out, yeah. I mean, and you also have to
• 38:54
  remember some of these or they say like they've made deals and
• 38:57
  stuff, but we're not going to see them for years.
• 39:00
  Produced. If ever.
• 39:01
  Right. Yeah.
• 39:02
  I know Raven Kennedy, she's going to have the plate of
• 39:05
  prisoner. I don't know when it's going to
• 39:07
  be interesting. I don't know how they they're
• 39:09
  going to do that one. I don't want to CG.
• 39:13
  Yeah. All I can say is they better
• 39:15
  have a very delightful slate Ravager is all I can say.
• 39:18
  I see that's a tough role. Who's going to do that?
• 39:22
  It's a lot of big shoes to fill with these characters.
• 39:25
  That's the hardest part. Well, I was listening to her, to
• 39:29
  her, she, you know, did something on Instagram and that
• 39:32
  she's, she has all that going on.
• 39:34
  Then she has her duet coming out, the Pied Piper that comes
• 39:38
  out in January, the first one and then the second one.
• 39:41
  And then she has, I think she's working on a second duet and
• 39:45
  then she said she's going to be doing a spin off now.
• 39:48
  I believe that's going to be the spin off the brother.
• 39:52
  President. Yeah.
• 39:53
  And then we just got to wait for Rose Moon to hit the screens
• 39:56
  because, I mean, we've got fan casts ready to go, that's what.
• 40:01
  One day that would be. That's my.
• 40:04
  Ultimate goal. I was going to ask, you know,
• 40:07
  when when are we going to an adaption for your books here?
• 40:12
  I you know, I've got I have to sell a lot more books for that
• 40:16
  to happen. But like that, hopefully it's
• 40:19
  going in the in the right direction with it's my narrator
• 40:24
  reveal coming up, but we'll see. We'll see if that hopefully that
• 40:28
  kind of I don't know, but no, I I am.
• 40:31
  That is my goal, my goal. My goal is to one day hopefully
• 40:34
  get the Prophecy of Late series into a film adaption.
• 40:36
  That would be awesome. But that would be amazing.
• 40:39
  I have quite a lot, quite a lot, you know, quite, quite a roads
• 40:43
  to travel still to get there, but that is my ultimate.
• 40:46
  Goal. But I really like like the way
• 40:49
  that you write. I feel like it would be a very
• 40:51
  easy thing to do because because of the way you've set it up.
• 40:56
  So Carter Clint though, they're big shoes to fill.
• 40:59
  Once again another another male main character that has big
• 41:02
  shoes but. What would?
• 41:05
  You want I could totally see it in my mind when I'm reading it
• 41:08
  so. Now, would you want it to be
• 41:11
  like a series or would you like it to be like a movie?
• 41:14
  What what way would you love to be see it?
• 41:18
  If it does become, you know, an adaptation of your books, which
• 41:22
  would you prefer? I probably prefer a series, but
• 41:27
  I would take either one. But yeah, yeah, you'd have to do
• 41:31
  like, like you'd have to be like Twilight or Harry Potter where
• 41:34
  you have all the different movies.
• 41:36
  But probably, I guess a series. But I mean either way, either
• 41:40
  way would be pretty amazing. Yeah, actually, you know what,
• 41:43
  that's a good. I like how you said that, cuz
• 41:45
  like each book, as long as it had its own movie, it would be
• 41:48
  totally good. Yeah.
• 41:50
  How many books in the series? That is a good question.
• 41:54
  It's a good question. It's definitely going to be OK.
• 41:59
  So Rose Moon, they'll definitely be the book after Rose Moon and
• 42:03
  a book after Rose Moon. So they'll definitely be 3,
• 42:06
  potentially 4, because I don't know if I can get everything
• 42:09
  into that third book. And if I do, it probably be like
• 42:12
  a monster of a book or I might have to divide it into two.
• 42:15
  Those are all the series of, well, actually.
• 42:18
  And Poppy Joe will be getting his own prequel and I'm not sure
• 42:21
  what I'm going to be writing that it's not happening anytime
• 42:23
  soon. But one character, which I'm not
• 42:26
  going to say, is going to get their own novella and then I'm
• 42:31
  going to. So it'll be two novellas, 3 to 4
• 42:33
  books and then a prequel of Poppy Joes.
• 42:35
  So that's going to be the whole Owens crash is going into that
• 42:39
  world. Too.
• 42:40
  Yeah, but that that's kind of like a separate story, but it's
• 42:44
  in that universe with Spencer and Amanda will be getting a
• 42:47
  second full length novel because there's stories in novella, but
• 42:50
  it'll cross into that universe. Yeah, it's a pretty big.
• 42:54
  Universe. Crash hit audible in mid-april,
• 42:56
  so that's exciting. It did say.
• 42:59
  Too. Oh my gosh, I need to go
• 43:01
  download that right now. Yeah, I know it's Audible, but
• 43:05
  you have another one coming, right?
• 43:08
  Oh yeah, that's one can. We talk.
• 43:12
  I love that. We keep teasing it.
• 43:15
  Eventually, we're going to talk about it.
• 43:17
  We can, because yes, Rose Moon is getting its own.
• 43:22
  Yes, Rose Moon's getting an audio book.
• 43:24
  And. I did. 2.
• 43:27
  Of the three narrator reveals so far, Carmen Chantelle is one of
• 43:33
  the narrators. It's it's done it's a multicast,
• 43:36
  but it's done in like do well, I guess I can't say Duet, but it's
• 43:39
  technically a multicast, but it would you know, it is like duet
• 43:42
  style, but there's three different narrators.
• 43:44
  And I just announced Aria Jacobs is my other female main
• 43:49
  character. And then I haven't announced it
• 43:52
  yet, but, but when this comes on, it would have.
• 43:54
  I would have announced it yesterday, I believe.
• 43:56
  But I got Charles Vandervart from the TV show Outlander, who
• 44:01
  was my inspiration for Carter Quinn to actually play him in
• 44:07
  the audio books. That is.
• 44:08
  So I'm kind of yeah, on cloud nine.
• 44:12
  I've known about this since October, but I haven't been able
• 44:15
  to say anything. So it's so.
• 44:18
  Exciting. That's.
• 44:19
  Amazing. And do you know how hard it is,
• 44:21
  Heidi, to like, keep my mouth shut?
• 44:23
  It has been so hard because it's so exciting.
• 44:28
  It's, it's, it's, yeah, I, I still like, I, I'm still, I
• 44:32
  don't know if I'll ever get over the disbelief of it all, but
• 44:35
  I've had several months now to kind of like try to get over it.
• 44:39
  But yeah, it's, it's really kind of surreal.
• 44:42
  So it's I, yeah, I guess I just announced it yesterday and now
• 44:47
  it's out in the world. So we're, we're aiming to have
• 44:51
  that come out beginning of October.
• 44:55
  And I hope, yeah. And I hope there's no delays in
• 44:57
  it because Sarah J Moss's book comes out towards the end.
• 45:00
  It was funny because I was either going to release in
• 45:02
  October or January. And of course that's when her
• 45:04
  second book comes out. So like, so like I, I, I don't
• 45:08
  know, like if there's any hold UPS that might have to get
• 45:10
  pushed to February, I guess to let us know that everything is
• 45:13
  on time and it, it comes out the beginning of October.
• 45:17
  Now I was going to say, like, would November even be the worst
• 45:21
  thing? Probably if you have to wait.
• 45:24
  Probably could. I know a lot of people don't
• 45:26
  like to release in November unless if it's like a like a
• 45:29
  holiday novella that makes. Sense.
• 45:33
  So that would be my only hesitation in doing that.
• 45:37
  It's not out of the realm of possibility, but it.
• 45:41
  Makes sense though yeah, SGM is probably smart.
• 45:45
  SGM has put a lot of wrenches in people's plans.
• 45:48
  I have noticed here over the last few weeks talking to
• 45:51
  different authors. So many dates are changing and
• 45:55
  yeah. Wait.
• 45:57
  It's, I know. I do want to have much power as
• 46:00
  an author. Wow, it's like, amazing.
• 46:02
  Yeah, Heidi, will you talk about the story about Charles doing
• 46:08
  the role? Because I remember from the
• 46:10
  beginning how you had met him, right.
• 46:12
  And then it was like, we did that post like a bunch of us
• 46:16
  wrote on her post to like, hype it up to be like.
• 46:18
  He would be a great. Carter And so tell us from your
• 46:22
  side like what that was like in the beginning, OK.
• 46:25
  This was it's kind of a crazy story, so I'll just tell you how
• 46:30
  he came to be as my cardboard Quinn.
• 46:32
  I'm I'm a huge Outlander fan and I was watching Outlander.
• 46:35
  Do either of any of you guys watch Outlander?
• 46:38
  Think I've seen the first episode I know of how they meet.
• 46:41
  I just got Netflix so I I have it on my list we're behind.
• 46:47
  So I was watching Outlander and I wrote Rose Moon.
• 46:51
  Oh my goodness. I actually wrote it back in
• 46:54
  2007. So it was a really long time ago
• 46:57
  and I kind of wrote it, kind of outlined it.
• 46:59
  It was just like a just got the story down on paper.
• 47:02
  And I never had like a clear image for Carter when I wrote
• 47:07
  it. And I like to have that, like I
• 47:09
  like to have a complete visual of it.
• 47:11
  If it's an actor, if it's a model, it's just someone I know
• 47:14
  in my life. Like I just like to work with
• 47:16
  that. And I never had it.
• 47:18
  I had a very distinct, I knew his personality exactly and I
• 47:22
  could describe him on paper like, you know, I could say like
• 47:26
  he's 63, he's this, he's that, you know, whatever, I can say
• 47:30
  all that, but I didn't have that clear image.
• 47:32
  And I was watching Outlander and they flashed on the screen.
• 47:36
  Who is going to play William adult William Ransom, who's
• 47:41
  Jamie Fraser's son. And it's just like this.
• 47:43
  It wasn't even the best picture of him.
• 47:45
  He had like the Tri cod like hat on and or is it tripod?
• 47:50
  Isn't that how you say it? Is that what it is the little
• 47:52
  like? Yeah.
• 47:53
  Isn't that what it's called? Like a pirate hat?
• 47:55
  Yeah, yeah. That's what it's called, right?
• 47:58
  I was like the pointy hat and it wasn't.
• 48:02
  I couldn't see his hair. I didn't really know what he
• 48:04
  looked like as an actor, but there's something about him that
• 48:08
  gave me such the vibe of Carter and I knew what he had to look
• 48:11
  like because he's supposed to look like Jamie Frazier.
• 48:14
  There's so they had a cast of one similar and look.
• 48:17
  So I went on his IG page and I was like, that's my Carter.
• 48:22
  And so I had this crazy idea. You know, it was funny.
• 48:25
  I was like telling all my friends, like authors, it's
• 48:28
  funny when you get like an inspiration.
• 48:29
  We always send it to each other like this is my, you know, who
• 48:32
  is my, you know, some sense sending his picture to all my
• 48:35
  friends, like, you know, and then I had this crazy idea
• 48:38
  because I, I live in Pennsylvania and there's this
• 48:41
  event called Fraser's Ridge Homecoming, which is in like the
• 48:44
  hills of North Carolina. And he was the guest for the
• 48:48
  weekend and I was like, Oh my God, I had this crazy idea.
• 48:51
  I took my best friend who was also a huge Outlander fan.
• 48:55
  And I'm like, I'm going to go to an Outlander event that I've
• 48:58
  never been to or experienced. I'm going to take my best friend
• 49:01
  and I'm going to meet the MMC like the inspiration for my MMC.
• 49:06
  And this is the first time I met him.
• 49:07
  I and he was out and about. So you got to talk to him a
• 49:10
  little bit more than just like your formal meet and greet.
• 49:14
  And at that time, Roseman wasn't published.
• 49:17
  Excuse me. So I, I printed it from Staples
• 49:21
  and I made a spiral bound copy and I handed it to him and I,
• 49:25
  and I had him sign mine and I signed his and I gave it to him
• 49:29
  and I was like, why? You're a little inspiration for
• 49:32
  Carter Quinn. And one day my goal is to have
• 49:34
  you play him in the film adaption.
• 49:36
  So this was three years ago now. I guess it would be 3 years ago.
• 49:40
  And so then two years later he was the the guest there again,
• 49:45
  which was this past October. So I had the Rosen, it's
• 49:49
  published at this point. So I brought in the actual hard
• 49:51
  copy. It was awesome because he
• 49:53
  remembered me and he's like, oh, I left your script at Richard
• 49:56
  Rankin's house, who is one of the cast from Outlander who
• 49:59
  lives in Scotland, and he's like, that's where it is.
• 50:02
  So of course, everyone lost their mind from the convention
• 50:04
  and told them like Roger Mack has my script now.
• 50:07
  So I gave him my hardback copy and I'm like, it's published
• 50:12
  now. I still have the same goal and I
• 50:15
  need an audio book made and I really want I really want you to
• 50:18
  do. And so then I contacted his
• 50:22
  agent. He acted really interested, but
• 50:24
  you're like, I didn't know like, you know, like their that's kind
• 50:28
  of like their, like that's their job is to make you feel special
• 50:31
  and to make me like that. So I'm like, he could just be
• 50:33
  telling me that he's interested and then I contact his agent and
• 50:36
  I never hear anything ever yet, you know, so I didn't have any
• 50:40
  expectations. I'm like, this is super cool.
• 50:41
  So soon as I got back, I contacted his agent and my phone
• 50:46
  like a minute later I got a phone call from Toronto and I
• 50:50
  was like, no. And I was totally unprepared.
• 50:53
  I knew nothing about audiobooks, had nothing.
• 50:57
  And I'm like talking to his like agent about this audiobook and
• 51:01
  I'm like, oh, I had no idea what to say it.
• 51:03
  Was. Crazy and like the conversation
• 51:06
  is like a blur. I could like barely remember it,
• 51:09
  but yes, so that was in October and things just kept going and
• 51:14
  going and I knew pretty quickly that he was going to do it.
• 51:18
  And so now it's happening so so. That's neat.
• 51:22
  Wow. Wow.
• 51:24
  Connections, man. I mean, dreams do come true.
• 51:27
  Yeah. Right.
• 51:28
  So, you know, that's exciting. I love it.
• 51:31
  That's not, if that's not inspiration to just like put
• 51:34
  yourself out there and try. I don't know what is that's so.
• 51:39
  So yeah. I love that you went, you were
• 51:41
  like and you went where he was at and you, you did I, I love
• 51:45
  it. I and that's fantastic.
• 51:48
  But you will be this OK out. There, I know you and and I knew
• 51:53
  it was really serious like when he sent me his like 6 minute
• 51:58
  audition like he really needed to audition but he did he played
• 52:03
  Carter Quinn and it's like 6 minutes long and I think I
• 52:06
  almost passed out when I heard it because it's it's like the
• 52:09
  character like even his voice that's who I created him also.
• 52:13
  Excuse me so to hear that yeah it was really, really weird.
• 52:17
  It was like I was like crazy. So in the best way.
• 52:20
  So, so yeah, that's happening. And he's doing the audio book
• 52:24
  and I've announced it yesterday, yeah.
• 52:27
  I saw that, yeah. I saw that, yeah.
• 52:31
  I did I that's. Pretty I love that.
• 52:35
  That's that's super exciting for you and I'm I'm super that's
• 52:39
  just, you know, when you see these kind of things happen and
• 52:42
  and just like just everything that you put into it and then
• 52:45
  you went and it worked out. That's like like Chelsea said,
• 52:48
  that's inspiration right there for people to reach for their
• 52:52
  goals. I mean I still pinching myself
• 52:54
  like everyday this is really happening.
• 52:57
  I I am and it's funny because yeah, I do the reveal on
• 53:01
  Wednesday, today's Sunday. So I have like my three day
• 53:05
  countdown going in my little stories and on IG and it's just,
• 53:10
  it's crazy. Like I, it's so weird.
• 53:13
  I've, I've no idea what's like what, you know, what to expect
• 53:16
  and how like what's going to, I'm just enjoying the ride like
• 53:18
  as much as I can. So it's very cool.
• 53:21
  I'm very and I'm super honored that he decided to do this
• 53:25
  because Carter is such an important character to me.
• 53:30
  I, I, I think with the, however many MMCS that I write and fall
• 53:35
  in love with, I think Carter is always going to be my favorite
• 53:40
  because of like what he represents to me.
• 53:43
  He's like, well, he's a combination of like 3
• 53:46
  personalities that are important to me as well as he's like the
• 53:49
  person I strive to be like, I wish I could be.
• 53:52
  So it's, he's very, he's very, he's thank you.
• 53:57
  He's very near and dear to my heart.
• 53:58
  So the fact that he's taken on this role is just like such an
• 54:02
  honor to be So thank you, Charles.
• 54:06
  Thank you for making our dreams. Come true.
• 54:08
  Yeah. I'm excited to listen to it now.
• 54:12
  Like this is going to be the best audio book ever.
• 54:15
  No, yeah, the Aria and Carmen are phenomenal.
• 54:20
  I had the hardest time. Well, actually Carmen Chantelle,
• 54:25
  I knew earlier, she auditioned for Ella for me, and I knew she
• 54:30
  wasn't my Ella. So who who Carmen is playing?
• 54:34
  We can talk about that, who Carmen is playing.
• 54:36
  It's kind of a Gray area because I can't say if she ever like
• 54:40
  goes on like podcasts or lives. Like she says her name is fine,
• 54:44
  but it's like, I don't want people waiting to for this
• 54:48
  character. So she's kind of A twist, kind
• 54:51
  of not, but she's like this Gray area where I don't want to
• 54:54
  broadcast her because I think people were panic when they're
• 54:56
  reading the story and they're like, Oh my God.
• 54:58
  Oh my God, why is this? Like, you know, so yeah, don't
• 55:00
  panic. So she serves a very amazing
• 55:03
  purpose in the story, you know? So when I heard her, I was like,
• 55:06
  oh, OK, this is this character, I think.
• 55:09
  But then I kept hearing more and more auditions for this
• 55:12
  character and I just kept thinking like, I couldn't have
• 55:15
  found her this quickly, but but I did.
• 55:18
  I kept going back to Carmen. And then Arya Jacobs is my Ella.
• 55:23
  And Oh my God, I had, I listened to over 50 amazing auditions for
• 55:28
  Ella. Everyone was so good.
• 55:30
  They really, I had so many phenomenal auditions, but I was
• 55:33
  looking for this very, very specific sound because Ella has
• 55:39
  to sound very young, like in her early 20s.
• 55:43
  And she had, it's just, I can't even explain it.
• 55:47
  I, I, it was just, I, once I heard her, I, I knew I was going
• 55:51
  to be once I heard Ari, I was like jumping up and down
• 55:53
  literally in my living room because I was like, she is.
• 55:56
  And she talks like Ella doesn't use contractions when she
• 56:00
  speaks. So she's talks think of like
• 56:05
  Edward Cullen from Twilight, how like you can't really detect
• 56:09
  that he talks very differently, but they say he sounds kind of
• 56:12
  formal sounding and a little different like from a different
• 56:16
  time. I and so many people when they
• 56:19
  tried to to not use the contractions and talk like her,
• 56:22
  they had this very robotic sound to them where they almost
• 56:26
  sounded like they're talking like a robot.
• 56:28
  And Arya was able to do it where it was like when I wrote Ella,
• 56:32
  it was like the voice I heard in my head.
• 56:34
  She was able to deliver it with that very, very slight twist of
• 56:38
  that other worldly different sound to her.
• 56:41
  But it didn't sound like a like a forced robot.
• 56:44
  Like, you know, which like I had amazing auditions.
• 56:48
  Everyone was fantastic. I can't believe the amount of
• 56:50
  people that auditioned for it too.
• 56:52
  It was spectacular. But so my female cast, I mean,
• 56:55
  just matching them with Charles is literally like a dream come
• 57:00
  true. Like I can't, I cannot wait to
• 57:02
  hear that like. It's like Arya, I would say like
• 57:06
  to describe her voice. Like you said, it's hard to
• 57:08
  explain, but it almost is like that.
• 57:10
  It's like music to your ears. Like it's just like very pretty.
• 57:14
  Like it's almost like sing. Song.
• 57:17
  Feminine, yes, it's like, it's like a, it's like a melodic.
• 57:19
  It's almost like a melody to it. Is that what you're saying?
• 57:22
  Yeah. And.
• 57:23
  You're, you're thinking mermaid like, you know, like it's like
• 57:27
  what you think in your mind how kind of like a mermaid would
• 57:29
  speak. Yeah, kind of grasp that vibe.
• 57:33
  Yeah, yeah, she has just like that pretty, she just has a very
• 57:36
  pretty voice. I'm so excited for you guys to
• 57:38
  hear it in in Ella because like I can hear now that I've I've
• 57:42
  heard Arya in other like audio clips and audios and then I have
• 57:47
  Ella in my head. And so now like I can put them
• 57:50
  together and I can see it. I can envision it, you know, and
• 57:53
  it's it's going to be so good. Yeah, it's exciting.
• 57:56
  Now I'm so excited and this is this is for Rosemary now.
• 58:00
  Now, are you working on Book 2 currently?
• 58:03
  I am book 2 is going out to beta readers maybe this week,
• 58:10
  definitely next week. This, this is book 2 has been a
• 58:15
  bear of a developmental edit. I got the developmental back
• 58:18
  developmental edit back a while ago, but my my brain was so
• 58:23
  fried. Like it's kind of like as a
• 58:26
  writer, sometimes you feel like you're looking at your story
• 58:30
  through like the weeds, like through the grass, you know, and
• 58:34
  you're so immersed in it, you can't really see it clearly.
• 58:37
  So you kind of have to take a step back.
• 58:39
  It's almost like doing like a palate cleanser when you're
• 58:41
  reading like a World Series, you kind of have to take a step
• 58:45
  back. I had to take a step back from
• 58:46
  the story. And that's when I wrote Crash,
• 58:49
  which is really like a palate cleanser, but I had no intention
• 58:52
  of publishing. And then I was like, oh, this is
• 58:53
  pretty good. I want to publish.
• 58:55
  But it was really just to kind of like clear my a little bit.
• 58:58
  And then after that I was able to kind of step back and see the
• 59:01
  story more from like a Birds Eye view.
• 59:04
  I could see it all better. So then I, I, I stepped into the
• 59:08
  the monster of a developmental edit.
• 59:10
  It was, Oh my goodness, I had to.
• 59:14
  I think when I sent it to my editor, it was at 85,000 words
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  and now it's at 105,000 words. And I had to push scenes that
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  were towards the middle and the end up to the front of the book.
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  And I added a lot of scenes and that's.
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  Really hard to do that. Because once you have everything
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  written, when you push something to the front, everything has to
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  match that. And like, so it was, it's such I
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  went, I was doing like a second read through of it of all after
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  all the changes I did a couple days ago.
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  And I noticed one mistake from that.
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  It's not a big deal. It's easy for me to fix it, but
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  it's just like keeping everything in order, especially
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  when you're talking about people getting powers and like you're
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  I'm breeding something and I'm like, my God, they don't have
• 59:58
  that power yet. But yet here I'm writing about
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  it because I had to push the scene around and you know, it
• 1:00:03
  doesn't make sense at that part in the story, right?
• 1:00:06
  So it's very hard to do. So I will be once I get this out
• 1:00:10
  to beta readers. It's going to be such a relief.
• 1:00:14
  Because then I can focus on like marketing the audiobook and my
• 1:00:18
  kids will be done school soon and I can kind of mentally kind
• 1:00:22
  of shift while beta readers are reading that until I get their
• 1:00:25
  feedback and stuff, so. Yeah, and that'll be helpful.
• 1:00:29
  I love beta reading for that reason of development and just
• 1:00:33
  being a part of that process is really cool and being like, oh,
• 1:00:38
  you know, this would sound better if you know this came
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  along or they said this or or catching the things like, Hey,
• 1:00:47
  what is this? Why is this tower here?
• 1:00:49
  What are you talking? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:51
  And helping. It's like for all of.
• 1:00:54
  Us that wanted to be an editor when we were younger and we
• 1:00:56
  didn't get to. It's like, that's what beta
• 1:00:57
  reading is for us. Yeah, we get to be in the editor
• 1:01:00
  role for a little bit. Yeah, that's how I feel.
• 1:01:03
  Days it's really neat to see this side of it because you
• 1:01:07
  know, coming from just you know, being a reader, you know we
• 1:01:10
  don't see all this aspect of like what goes into you know,
• 1:01:15
  publishing a book and that and it's it's neat again.
• 1:01:18
  We talked about this like months ago.
• 1:01:21
  We were just talking about how books to Graham itself, how much
• 1:01:25
  we didn't know. And just by talking to all, all
• 1:01:28
  the different authors here, I have learned so much.
• 1:01:31
  And it is. I find it very fascinating
• 1:01:33
  because you don't realize how much goes into it.
• 1:01:36
  Yeah, and everybody's, everybody's process is totally
• 1:01:41
  different too. Like I'll write the first draft
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  and then I, I have two editors. I have one editor that does my
• 1:01:47
  developmental edit and I have another editor that does my copy
• 1:01:50
  edit and my proofreading. So I'll write the first draft.
• 1:01:53
  Sometimes I'll send pieces of it out to like, I guess you want to
• 1:01:58
  call them, I guess alpha readers.
• 1:02:00
  I never even knew what that term was.
• 1:02:01
  That is so recently, but I have like my people that I'll be
• 1:02:05
  like, oh, what do you think of this seed or what do you think
• 1:02:06
  of that? Like, and before I send out the
• 1:02:08
  first draft to the editor, so I send that out and then my editor
• 1:02:11
  does the developmental edit. She gets that back to me.
• 1:02:15
  And then after I finish that, I send it to beta readers.
• 1:02:18
  Then I get their feedback, but I'm like, don't worry about
• 1:02:21
  grammar or anything because it still gets a professional copy
• 1:02:24
  edit and then a professional proofread.
• 1:02:26
  So then send it out to my other editor to get the copy edit
• 1:02:30
  done. And then I have to go through
• 1:02:31
  that and then I send it out to get the proofread done.
• 1:02:33
  And then I go through that and then it goes to formatting.
• 1:02:35
  And then I'll, you know, but it's, that's my process.
• 1:02:38
  I know people do it differently, but yeah, so beta readers are
• 1:02:42
  awesome because it's like a rule.
• 1:02:46
  Well, my editor told me and I and I followed this advice.
• 1:02:48
  It's like she's like, if one person notices something and
• 1:02:51
  nobody else does, it's really just probably a preference of
• 1:02:54
  theirs, you know? You know, like you can take it
• 1:02:57
  if you want to change it, if it if it runs true, if it rings
• 1:03:00
  true to you, you can change it. If not, don't worry about it.
• 1:03:03
  But if two or more people pick up the same thing or they're
• 1:03:07
  like the scenes dragging on a little too much or I want more
• 1:03:10
  of this or that doesn't make sense, that's where it's like,
• 1:03:13
  I'm like, OK. And and data readers are amazing
• 1:03:16
  for that. Like they pick up everything.
• 1:03:19
  Thank you so much. I'm so grateful for that.
• 1:03:22
  Yeah. I know, Heather, you do beta
• 1:03:24
  reads, Chelsea, do you do beta reads too?
• 1:03:26
  Yeah, I've done a couple. I've done well.
• 1:03:29
  I only got like through half of an alpha read but I I enjoy the
• 1:03:34
  beta reading for sure. I see.
• 1:03:37
  I never do that. I never do arcs or I don't ever
• 1:03:40
  do any of that stuff, but I love that you guys do it.
• 1:03:42
  It's such a new. Thing to see.
• 1:03:44
  Yeah, it is hard to do it sometimes.
• 1:03:47
  Like I find it a little bit easier when maybe you aren't
• 1:03:51
  like too close to the author like cuz if you have certain
• 1:03:54
  edits that you want them to do or you have certain thoughts,
• 1:03:57
  like it can be really difficult to like provide that criticism.
• 1:04:03
  Yeah, I don't know, Like it's. And it's.
• 1:04:04
  Helping I get that. Like, it's their baby, you know,
• 1:04:07
  and they've written this thing. And so it is hard to be like,
• 1:04:09
  oh, I don't know, I know if I'm feeling this right here because
• 1:04:11
  maybe they really love that part.
• 1:04:13
  Yeah. So it's, it's kind of like a
• 1:04:15
  touchy thing, but it's also, it's a really cool experience.
• 1:04:19
  Yeah, I get that. I totally get that.
• 1:04:21
  That give and take of the author with the reader and just like
• 1:04:25
  understanding, like I'm not saying this to be mean, but you
• 1:04:28
  know, like if I am, I'm reading this and this does not flow.
• 1:04:32
  It doesn't make sense. You know, something doesn't make
• 1:04:36
  sense here that I, you know, I want to tell you I'm not going
• 1:04:40
  to be you mean, and I'm not gonna be like this sucks bad.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  It's all out of love. It's all out of love and it's
• 1:04:49
  just hard sometimes to word it the perfect way.
• 1:04:51
  It'd be like this is what I'm trying to say.
• 1:04:54
  I totally get it. And it's funny because as an
• 1:04:56
  author, sometimes I feel bad. If somebody gives me really good
• 1:05:02
  feedback and I don't take it, I feel like I'm gonna hurt their
• 1:05:06
  feelings because they've tried. So it's kind of like, but it's
• 1:05:11
  cool because I kind of tell my beta readers at the end of the
• 1:05:14
  day, I want you to be honest with me.
• 1:05:17
  But like, if I, you know, and I and I respect and I'm so
• 1:05:22
  grateful for your input, but I may not take it.
• 1:05:25
  And like, you know, don't, don't take offense to that because you
• 1:05:29
  know, like and like, so the same thing, like I'm not going to
• 1:05:31
  take offense to, to you giving me input right either.
• 1:05:35
  I'm just so appreciative that someone will read my story and
• 1:05:39
  do that for me as a major reader.
• 1:05:42
  And it, and it's also hard too, because not everybody knows.
• 1:05:45
  Like even with my editor, we have this discussion, like, she
• 1:05:48
  doesn't see where my brain is like projecting things.
• 1:05:51
  Yes. So this is a series.
• 1:05:53
  So my brain goes way out. So she'll say something to me
• 1:05:58
  and I'll be like, OK, well, I wrote it like this because this
• 1:06:01
  is where I think this arc is going or this is where I think
• 1:06:04
  this character is going. And then she's like, oh, OK, you
• 1:06:07
  know, like. Then, yeah, but I feel like
• 1:06:09
  what, like as a development for the series, that's a good thing
• 1:06:13
  to know if you're a beta reader to say that and be like, OK,
• 1:06:17
  what is this? Like, I caught this little hint
• 1:06:21
  here. What is that?
• 1:06:22
  And then you're the author goes, you'll see in the next book that
• 1:06:26
  I'm like, OK. And then, you know, as the
• 1:06:29
  author that you created that and people are going to put two and
• 1:06:32
  two together and be like, there's more.
• 1:06:35
  Yeah, yeah, there's a fine line. There's a fine line with that
• 1:06:38
  too, because it's like there's one where it's like an Easter
• 1:06:40
  egg and then there's one where it's like, these are the
• 1:06:43
  internal authors thoughts. And so they're like, Oh well
• 1:06:47
  this is what this means. And it's like, but you didn't
• 1:06:48
  explain that it's in your head, but you're not writing that in.
• 1:06:52
  And so it's funny because like, sometimes they're Easter eggs
• 1:06:53
  and sometimes it's just like you did not explain.
• 1:06:55
  That, but as a beta reader, you just kind of tag it and be like,
• 1:06:58
  hey, notice? That.
• 1:07:00
  And you do what you do with it. You know, like I can't tell you
• 1:07:03
  to change it because I need more, right?
• 1:07:06
  You can't have more right now. And that's like, what's Heidi
• 1:07:09
  saying? Like maybe you have one person
• 1:07:11
  that was like, I want more. And then you have like the five
• 1:07:13
  other people that are like, that's fine, that's good.
• 1:07:17
  Now Heidi, you know, do you ever read reviews for your books or
• 1:07:21
  are you an author that does not read your reviews?
• 1:07:24
  I use I in the beginning. In the beginning I read them a
• 1:07:30
  lot and now not really so much anymore.
• 1:07:37
  Sometimes I, it was funny because I, I was always, when I,
• 1:07:41
  when I first put Rosemond out, I got way more, way more positive
• 1:07:45
  reviews than the negative reviews and the negative reviews
• 1:07:48
  that I got. They, they didn't understand.
• 1:07:52
  I don't think the people read the story like I'm being really
• 1:07:54
  honest, Like I don't think they understand.
• 1:07:56
  They're just skimmed over it. They read one part in the very
• 1:07:59
  beginning and where they were just set on that and like
• 1:08:02
  refused to like read the rest of it.
• 1:08:04
  So it's like I, I was getting negative reviews in not a lot at
• 1:08:09
  all, but it, it, it was. And you know, I was trying to
• 1:08:12
  approach it by being like, oh, I'm going to read my negative
• 1:08:14
  reviews and I'm going to learn from them and I'm going to be.
• 1:08:17
  And, but they really just ended up really pissing me off.
• 1:08:22
  Like they, and I hate saying that.
• 1:08:24
  Like I do learn from them, but most of them were, they were
• 1:08:29
  saying something that wasn't true.
• 1:08:31
  And that's what really upset me. So I'm like, I'm just not going
• 1:08:34
  to, you know, Goodreads is a place I think for readers, not
• 1:08:37
  for authors. So, and, and, you know, just
• 1:08:41
  Amazon, Goodreads, I try not to look at them.
• 1:08:44
  Every once in a while I'll have like one of my PAS if I'm like,
• 1:08:48
  you know, just go pop in there if there's something I should be
• 1:08:49
  aware of and tell me. But I do like I.
• 1:08:53
  Went in and but I think I went in and commented on a couple
• 1:08:55
  people's like cuz the big one was the age gap that does not
• 1:08:59
  exist, right? And so I think I, when I had
• 1:09:02
  left my Goodreads review, I went in there and I was like, this
• 1:09:05
  isn't true. Like don't listen English
• 1:09:07
  review. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:10
  No, I'll just, I'll just tell everybody what what it was.
• 1:09:13
  So when I write Carter and Ella, I write them as the same exact
• 1:09:17
  age. They even though Ella when they
• 1:09:21
  first, well, they first meet technically when Carter's 5 and
• 1:09:26
  she's like a like observing she's there for a reason.
• 1:09:30
  And you'll find this out in the book and she's just kind of in
• 1:09:32
  this area and she's observing him in this family.
• 1:09:35
  So he the very, the prologue in the very beginning of the book
• 1:09:39
  starts out with Carter on the dock and he like sees her in the
• 1:09:44
  water. And humans aren't supposed to be
• 1:09:47
  able to see meridians, which is mermaids, what they're called
• 1:09:51
  meridians in in by in the prophecy of late series.
• 1:09:53
  And humans aren't supposed to be able to see them unless if they
• 1:09:56
  reveal themselves to humans. And all of a sudden he's like.
• 1:10:00
  Mommy, there's a girl in the water.
• 1:10:02
  And you know, so like she's like what?
• 1:10:04
  So she's very intrigued and drawn to this family because
• 1:10:07
  there's this little boy that can see her and he shouldn't be able
• 1:10:09
  to. So like you kind of find out
• 1:10:12
  through the through the story of why that is why she's there.
• 1:10:17
  And you know, they first start talking and everything.
• 1:10:20
  Well, she's they first start talking when he is 16.
• 1:10:24
  He meets her briefly in the water and he thinks that she's
• 1:10:27
  just like a human girl that he meets in the water.
• 1:10:30
  But then they start kind of getting into a relationship when
• 1:10:32
  he's 17. And the book goes well into his
• 1:10:36
  adult life that stands over like 13 years or whatever into his
• 1:10:40
  adult life. And she's, when they first meet,
• 1:10:43
  she's 202 years old in human years, but she's equivalent to
• 1:10:48
  that of like a 20 year old human because she ages much slower
• 1:10:54
  physically and emotionally because she lives to be like
• 1:10:56
  1000 years old than than than humans do.
• 1:11:00
  So I've never in my life when I since I started thinking of the
• 1:11:04
  story back in 2007, actually probably earlier than that, I've
• 1:11:08
  always looked at them as the exact same age and they view
• 1:11:11
  themselves as the exact same age.
• 1:11:12
  So I had people accusing me of grooming that Ella was grooming
• 1:11:17
  Carter, which is absurd and really hurtful because I also, I
• 1:11:21
  write under my real name and I have kids and stuff.
• 1:11:24
  So it's like, you know, I had a couple of these accusations come
• 1:11:27
  out and it really pissed me off because it couldn't be like
• 1:11:30
  further from the truth. And I just feel like they didn't
• 1:11:33
  read the whole story because it's explained, it's explained
• 1:11:36
  in that. And I think they just saw the
• 1:11:38
  year difference and that was it, like some people.
• 1:11:41
  Have an ick with that and they like immediate.
• 1:11:44
  Yeah, it's weird. And it's not like.
• 1:11:47
  Yeah. And it's it's not real.
• 1:11:48
  It's a fantasy. They're not real people.
• 1:11:50
  And, you know, it's also like not like Ella Lev, She didn't
• 1:11:55
  lead this life of this like promiscuous past where she, you
• 1:12:00
  know, she was a warrior. She was essentially a warrior on
• 1:12:03
  the battlefield her entire life. And when she met Carter, that
• 1:12:07
  was her first experience of any kind of love or physical contact
• 1:12:12
  or anything. So when she came to the table,
• 1:12:14
  it was very innocent. And, you know, so like both of
• 1:12:17
  them were at the time, like, you know, Carter had more of like a
• 1:12:21
  bit of a background with, you know, relationships than her to
• 1:12:26
  an extent, but he was still very green as well, I guess you could
• 1:12:30
  say when they both met. So it was like this very
• 1:12:33
  innocent kind of a beginning for them.
• 1:12:35
  And, and the people that like, didn't see it like that, I I
• 1:12:39
  don't know how they didn't see it.
• 1:12:41
  Like, I hope it maybe it was my fault in the way I wrote some
• 1:12:44
  things. I don't know.
• 1:12:44
  Why you just described that? I didn't.
• 1:12:47
  Even that didn't come to mind. Yeah, I don't.
• 1:12:50
  Like I know another indie author who had this like this exact
• 1:12:56
  thing happen actually. And she had a change like a
• 1:13:01
  certain nickname in her from the arc Reed to the like the final
• 1:13:04
  publish because people were accusing her of like a grooming
• 1:13:08
  and like like a she's younger, but but in fact, she was like a
• 1:13:13
  billion year old star. But she was just a small little
• 1:13:16
  thing compared to like these giant people and the story.
• 1:13:20
  And yeah, yeah, people sometimes just paciferate on that and keep
• 1:13:27
  it out of their head. So.
• 1:13:28
  It's weird because you have people and and it's easy to say
• 1:13:33
  don't listen to the negative people, right?
• 1:13:34
  But it's like these talk so loud and so that's why it's hard to
• 1:13:38
  ignore them. But like, I don't know, like the
• 1:13:41
  people that go into books just to like tear them apart or to
• 1:13:44
  like start a book and then I'm not even going to finish it
• 1:13:46
  because this just got, you know, like I didn't like this.
• 1:13:48
  And then they and. Then and then they.
• 1:13:49
  Do the review, yeah. And then you leave a review
• 1:13:51
  about it and it's just like, you know what through you, but it's
• 1:13:55
  so good. And when you like, see, Carter
• 1:13:58
  is like the perfect to this day. He is like #1 just the way he
• 1:14:05
  looks like morals, his morals, like he's just so, he's so
• 1:14:09
  perfect. I love him.
• 1:14:11
  Thank you. Again, I I can't wait for people
• 1:14:14
  to read the second book. I'm I'm, I'm a little nervous
• 1:14:18
  because it's very different than Rose Moon.
• 1:14:22
  So I hope it doesn't give people too much whiplash, but I hope it
• 1:14:25
  does in a good way, because it's it's very different.
• 1:14:28
  It's it's very fast-paced. It's dark in comparison to Rose
• 1:14:34
  Moon. Yeah, it has it has certainly
• 1:14:37
  has its lighter moments. There's a lot of comedy in this
• 1:14:40
  book. There's a lot more comedy in
• 1:14:42
  this than I had at all until I went back into the the read
• 1:14:45
  through and I was like laughing out loud at certain parts
• 1:14:48
  because I forgot they were in there.
• 1:14:49
  And I was like, oh, it's pretty funny actually.
• 1:14:51
  But it's a, it's a much different tone.
• 1:14:53
  I think it's going to be, it's definitely to be the darkest
• 1:14:56
  bulk in the series. So yeah.
• 1:14:59
  And it's I'm very excited for people to read it because it's,
• 1:15:03
  it's very different. It's, you know, I think you get
• 1:15:06
  a little bit of a hints at the direction it's going in at the
• 1:15:10
  end of Rose Moon, and then it ends with a huge twist.
• 1:15:17
  That's the end. So yeah.
• 1:15:20
  No. It's really hard not, it's
• 1:15:22
  really hard not to spoil Rosemoon as we're talking.
• 1:15:24
  But now I'm like, I really want to know what's in Book 2.
• 1:15:28
  Now you just also you just updated the cover art for Rose
• 1:15:31
  Moon as well. I did, yeah.
• 1:15:34
  I did. Here's the original.
• 1:15:36
  Beautiful though. Yeah.
• 1:15:37
  Thank you. There's the.
• 1:15:38
  Original I'm, I have, I'm gonna spray the edges, by the way,
• 1:15:41
  that's why they're half done. Wow.
• 1:15:45
  But I I'm I'm dying to see your new cover in person.
• 1:15:49
  I have wait hang on. I have one with the can.
• 1:15:52
  I reached it without my. Can I grab it real quick?
• 1:15:54
  Yes, of course. You can.
• 1:15:55
  OK, hold on. The new one is is the cover on
• 1:15:59
  it is gorgeous. So pretty, so vibrant.
• 1:16:02
  I love a beautiful cover, yeah. My hardbacks will be here soon
• 1:16:05
  without like, but that's it with the yeah, that's my little like
• 1:16:09
  what they send you on Amazon when it's not.
• 1:16:11
  That's like my proof copy, I guess you could say.
• 1:16:14
  But so what's this looks like? And I had to get a new cover
• 1:16:19
  because the woman that's in my original cover, she's not doing
• 1:16:22
  them anymore. And I needed it.
• 1:16:25
  I needed it to match the audio book, so I needed to get it
• 1:16:30
  redone, and then I needed it to match all the rest of the books
• 1:16:33
  from the series too. So what's funny is I always kind
• 1:16:37
  of envisioned. This is sort of the cover I
• 1:16:39
  always envisioned. But when that my other cover
• 1:16:43
  designer designer was making it, as she showed me the image of
• 1:16:46
  the piano in the water because I was like, I wanted the dock.
• 1:16:50
  And she showed me the image of the piano in the water and I was
• 1:16:53
  like, oh, wow. Like I love that.
• 1:16:55
  So I just went with it. But this is this was sort of
• 1:16:57
  always what I had anticipated the whole time from the very
• 1:17:01
  beginning was the dock, the Rose moon and kind of like this
• 1:17:04
  fantasy edging of it. Yeah, so.
• 1:17:08
  Beautiful. It's very pretty.
• 1:17:09
  I love it. I love the colors.
• 1:17:11
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:17:14
  I love a beautiful cover if you ever.
• 1:17:16
  Paid. Yes, we're cover snobs.
• 1:17:19
  Good cover. I'll tell you here lately a lot
• 1:17:23
  of the books that have been coming out, they've been having
• 1:17:25
  such beautiful covers. That is one thing that does sell
• 1:17:29
  me on a book is a cover. But the the one though that I am
• 1:17:33
  disappointed in. I haven't read the book yet.
• 1:17:35
  Heather has read it but it's going to be re released I think
• 1:17:40
  because it went trad in June. It's Daggermouth.
• 1:17:43
  I do not know the cover on that. Book.
• 1:17:46
  Have you seen it? And it's like the.
• 1:17:47
  I've seen it. It's like a heart, right?
• 1:17:49
  With like, yeah, that they're like like lasers or something.
• 1:17:53
  I'm trying to think I heard either and then look at.
• 1:17:55
  That's one of the ones I wouldn't remember I have there.
• 1:17:57
  Well, they're seen about from what I've seen of when it goes,
• 1:18:00
  because I think it's in June or July, you can get the
• 1:18:04
  traditional published ones. It's a little better.
• 1:18:06
  It's prettier, a little bit prettier.
• 1:18:08
  It's still it's it's it's weird. I don't I don't know that one
• 1:18:11
  was not. But again, people said the story
• 1:18:14
  is amazing but. It is.
• 1:18:16
  It's a great book. It's kind of what I just want to
• 1:18:19
  cover. You wouldn't pick it up.
• 1:18:22
  Like for me, like if I walked by it, I wouldn't have thought
• 1:18:25
  like, oh, that's a fantasy dystopian.
• 1:18:28
  I would have thought like a thriller or mystery kind of
• 1:18:32
  cover and I probably would have walked by it in in the store,
• 1:18:37
  but I don't know people. I mean it does make sense a
• 1:18:41
  little sense after reading the book.
• 1:18:43
  So you know, like sometimes what you have to read the book to
• 1:18:45
  understand the cover. Sometimes if there's little
• 1:18:48
  Easter eggs in there and I just like I get it, but it it's not a
• 1:18:54
  lot. It's.
• 1:18:54
  Not a. Lot to it.
• 1:18:56
  But the one that the cover that's coming out traditionally
• 1:18:58
  is similar, but it it does, I think that the traditional one,
• 1:19:03
  it looks a little. Better.
• 1:19:04
  It looks a little better, but I would still not think that
• 1:19:08
  that's a dystopian fantasy book. You see, I think a lot of times
• 1:19:11
  like this is still my thought in it.
• 1:19:14
  I still think that indie covers are always my favorite covers
• 1:19:18
  because you have more of the free will, you know, to create
• 1:19:22
  what you want. You don't have someone saying
• 1:19:25
  blah blah blah at you, you know, because they're traditional and
• 1:19:27
  you have. To do a specific way, yeah, I
• 1:19:30
  love that. I think, I just think indie
• 1:19:32
  covers, they're they're my favorite.
• 1:19:33
  I like to get them like say, let's say you know, when they go
• 1:19:37
  traditional, I try to get the indie covers before they go
• 1:19:40
  traditional because again, they're my favorites.
• 1:19:44
  Yeah, yeah. Now the ones that I have gotten
• 1:19:47
  here recently that have gone traditional, it's Elizabeth,
• 1:19:50
  Helen. It's there.
• 1:19:52
  I forget what it these series is actually called, but it's bonded
• 1:19:55
  by thorns is the first one and that and now I and I'm and I'm
• 1:20:00
  weird with like a person on the cover because sometimes it
• 1:20:03
  always gives me the the Fabio days vibe.
• 1:20:07
  You know what I mean? But now she had the the sisters
• 1:20:11
  because I found out Elizabeth Helen is 2 people.
• 1:20:13
  Again, didn't have any idea. But I do really like the hair
• 1:20:17
  covers. Even though there's a person on
• 1:20:19
  it. I like how it is done, if that
• 1:20:21
  makes sense, But it's it's definitely not a Fabio cover.
• 1:20:24
  Heidi, don't do a height. Don't do a Fatio cover.
• 1:20:27
  Yeah, I I'm not I well, I well crash has people on the they're.
• 1:20:32
  Not good they're. Not but they're not Fabio
• 1:20:34
  though. It's not that style.
• 1:20:37
  I'm just gonna say with. People that I cover them like,
• 1:20:39
  wait, crashes, people like. But I thought most romance
• 1:20:43
  romance books have cover like people on the covers.
• 1:20:47
  But it's different though. You know what?
• 1:20:48
  I. Mean, I know what you're saying.
• 1:20:50
  You know what? I.
• 1:20:51
  Mean you're saying because I I was originally just going to do
• 1:20:53
  like a mountain with like with the white and then the red with
• 1:20:57
  the crash. And then I saw Mia Sheridan's
• 1:21:01
  book, I think it's called Dane Storm.
• 1:21:03
  And there's like a picture of a couple in the front very faded,
• 1:21:07
  kind of like how crashes it's not like out in your face.
• 1:21:09
  So they're kind of faded and there was like a storm and
• 1:21:12
  everything. And that's actually I was like,
• 1:21:14
  I really like that. So I gave that idea.
• 1:21:16
  So that does to that designer, along with my other ideas, and
• 1:21:20
  yeah, that's how we got the crash.
• 1:21:22
  Crashed to me almost looks like a movie poster.
• 1:21:25
  Yeah. It's.
• 1:21:26
  Yeah, it kind of does. Yeah.
• 1:21:29
  Thank you. But no, wait, Chelsea and I have
• 1:21:31
  talked about Fabio and he's he doesn't do the covers anymore.
• 1:21:37
  We're very disappointed in that. Nor does he do his he can't
• 1:21:40
  believe it's not butter anymore. Advertisements.
• 1:21:43
  Oh my gosh. Oh.
• 1:21:45
  Fabio. Because he's what, 6?
• 1:21:48
  What did we find out? He was 60 something.
• 1:21:50
  Isn't that what we found out? Yeah.
• 1:21:53
  Fabio, but you know, but growing.
• 1:21:54
  Up in the 80s you could put Charles on the cover, that would
• 1:21:57
  be fine. I could put Charles on the
• 1:21:59
  cover. That.
• 1:22:01
  Would be like an exception. Exception to the rule, yeah.
• 1:22:07
  And Heidi, for your new books, they also have your immersive
• 1:22:11
  playlist in them, right? Like nothing is changing on the
• 1:22:15
  inside, just the cover right? OK, just the cover.
• 1:22:19
  You guys have to look at the playlist when you go to read it
• 1:22:21
  because I can tell you like as you're reading it is very,
• 1:22:25
  you're like, oh, yeah, Yep, this is Carter.
• 1:22:28
  This is what Carter's going through.
• 1:22:29
  Like it is, it is so spot on. So you have to make sure that
• 1:22:33
  you pay attention to that and listen to him.
• 1:22:35
  Yeah, I actually put, it's funny, I don't know if I'll go
• 1:22:38
  as in depth with the next book because that was hard.
• 1:22:41
  That was tricky to do because I tried, I wrote, I did it with
• 1:22:45
  Rosen, where the playlist is I actually referred to as like an
• 1:22:48
  immersive experience because I wrote it in order of the book
• 1:22:52
  and it was because I write to, I write to music.
• 1:22:56
  So every scene is kind of written to a specific song and
• 1:22:59
  vibe. So I wrote it, I made the
• 1:23:04
  playlist. So if you listen to it from
• 1:23:05
  start to finish, it's kind of like Carters emotional journey
• 1:23:08
  from start to finish of the book and then in the back of the
• 1:23:12
  book. So I have the playlist I had
• 1:23:14
  that written in the front and listed in the back.
• 1:23:17
  I actually linked each scene to which music piece I wrote it to.
• 1:23:23
  I don't know if I'm going to go with that in detail because it
• 1:23:25
  was hard to do that because sometimes you'll write something
• 1:23:28
  for one scene, but then you'll reuse that same for a different
• 1:23:31
  scene. And then it's like it was hard
• 1:23:33
  to do that, like keep it in order.
• 1:23:35
  So it like followed that. So I might, I might just
• 1:23:37
  indicate, I might just put the list in the front on the next
• 1:23:40
  one and then just indicate like this song was written for these
• 1:23:43
  particular scenes instead of trying to like do it from start
• 1:23:46
  to finish in like that emotional flow of the component, I guess
• 1:23:50
  you could say, but the next books playlist is awesome.
• 1:23:54
  I, I, I'm finalizing that as we speak to.
• 1:23:59
  I'm really happy with how that turned out.
• 1:24:01
  I mean, you had some, you had a lot of Hans Zimmer in the first
• 1:24:04
  one. Are we getting like dark dark
• 1:24:06
  Hans Zimmer in the second one? We are.
• 1:24:08
  We have some Hans Zimmer from The Dark Knight from Batman in
• 1:24:12
  the second book and yeah, it's so hard.
• 1:24:16
  It's so hard not to because there's so many twists and
• 1:24:19
  rosaries. Yeah, there's so many twists.
• 1:24:21
  It's like I always say this character's name, say this, but
• 1:24:25
  yeah, yeah, the the next book is, is is very different, but I
• 1:24:28
  hope it's received. They know well it being very
• 1:24:32
  different, but it definitely. Now, when do you anticipate book
• 1:24:38
  2 to come out? Because I know you're said
• 1:24:40
  you're going to do beta reading. So when do you anticipate?
• 1:24:43
  What's your ball part? It'll definitely come out in
• 1:24:47
  2027. Definitely.
• 1:24:50
  So wow. You know, it'll definitely come
• 1:24:53
  out in 2027. My goal is to get it out in the
• 1:24:56
  first half of 2027. It might happen, it might
• 1:25:00
  happen, but it'll definitely come out that year.
• 1:25:03
  Yeah, I it's so hard to because, you know, I have to get all my
• 1:25:06
  editors schedule. So then I might have to wait to
• 1:25:10
  get onto her schedule and then I got to get on her schedule again
• 1:25:12
  for proofreading and I got to get on the format or schedule.
• 1:25:15
  Sometimes you're waiting months to get on this and you don't you
• 1:25:18
  don't really know. Sometimes they can squeeze you
• 1:25:20
  in fairly quickly and sometimes they'll like, well, I'll get to
• 1:25:22
  it in two months. And then you never, you never
• 1:25:25
  really know. So if it was, if they were all
• 1:25:27
  able to, excuse me, kind of turn things around very quickly for
• 1:25:32
  me, I think it's I think I definitely get out the first
• 1:25:34
  half of 2026. But it just you kind of, you
• 1:25:38
  know, you're on at the mercy of their schedules.
• 1:25:40
  Yeah. So I recently learned that
• 1:25:43
  things are simple. Well, I shouldn't say simple
• 1:25:45
  because it's apparently not, but like getting sprayed edges in a
• 1:25:48
  book that that takes like a year.
• 1:25:50
  So I'm just realizing that all these things, like you said,
• 1:25:54
  like lining up, getting on people's schedules and I, you
• 1:25:58
  know, it takes a lot of time and energy, but us readers just want
• 1:26:02
  it now, now, now. Yeah.
• 1:26:05
  I'll take the bound copy that you like you did for Charles.
• 1:26:08
  That's totally fine with me. The spiral round.
• 1:26:13
  Well, I see. I think that's that's the issue
• 1:26:15
  with just readers itself. You know, we, a lot of them do
• 1:26:19
  not have patience and I think and but you know, and these are
• 1:26:23
  also the same people that go in to like on Goodreads and go into
• 1:26:27
  different, you know, they'll give them two star reviews.
• 1:26:30
  I don't think, in my opinion, I think the star system that we
• 1:26:33
  all do, I don't think maybe we should do that anymore.
• 1:26:36
  We should just write how we feel, not rate as something like
• 1:26:40
  that. You know what I mean?
• 1:26:42
  Now spice level I do enjoy, as you all know, because that's
• 1:26:46
  always my question. You know, whenever someone
• 1:26:49
  brings up a book, I was asked how spicy something is that I do
• 1:26:53
  need that information. But but like stars and stuff.
• 1:26:56
  And, and if you DNF a book, don't review it.
• 1:26:59
  Just just go away. I, I, I think a lot of times
• 1:27:03
  Goodreads is kind of like, it's like Reddit in a lot of ways.
• 1:27:06
  And I always say this about Reddit.
• 1:27:08
  Reddit is the asshole of the world because people because you
• 1:27:12
  can go on and like on a thread and you can like try to help
• 1:27:15
  somebody with something and then a whole bunch of people, even
• 1:27:18
  though you're giving them genuine help, they'll downvote
• 1:27:21
  you and you lose karma And Reddit it's oh, people are
• 1:27:25
  assholes on Reddit. This is why I don't talk on
• 1:27:27
  Reddit. I don't like it.
• 1:27:28
  Never used. It it's the asshole of the
• 1:27:31
  world. And so I think a lot of times
• 1:27:33
  Goodreads is a lot like that because people think they.
• 1:27:37
  Threads is kind of old. Threads.
• 1:27:39
  Yes. I don't do anything on threads
• 1:27:42
  anymore. At least my algorithm is not a
• 1:27:45
  happy threads place, no every time I there.
• 1:27:48
  Over there, every time I pop over there, yeah, I, I kind of
• 1:27:53
  pop back off of it because it's like, yeah, everyone's very
• 1:27:56
  angry over there, yeah. I had said like, I'm like, I'm
• 1:27:59
  only on threads because I like fall all the authors that I
• 1:28:03
  love, because sometimes you get updates over there that you
• 1:28:05
  don't necessarily because, you know, Instagram is like it comes
• 1:28:07
  with a picture, whereas threads it's almost like a, a tweet, you
• 1:28:10
  know, So it's like we're getting just like little updates and I'm
• 1:28:13
  like, but otherwise I don't want to see anything that's on there.
• 1:28:16
  I just want to see your guys's updates.
• 1:28:18
  And then I need to get off because I get so angry.
• 1:28:20
  Like the rage bait is insane. It really is.
• 1:28:24
  It really is, yeah. I don't, I don't do threads.
• 1:28:28
  I used to post over there on threads also.
• 1:28:31
  I used to post with the podcast and with my book Instagram on
• 1:28:35
  TikTok and I stopped with it too because it just got it's
• 1:28:38
  ridiculous over there too. I got a lot of bot people on
• 1:28:43
  TikTok and it would write different things and I'm like
• 1:28:46
  that. I just don't have time.
• 1:28:47
  So I just do Instagram and I do on YouTube and you know, our
• 1:28:51
  Spotify that sends us out to everywhere.
• 1:28:53
  But other than that, it's I'm not going to get, I'm not going
• 1:28:56
  to get involved with angry people.
• 1:28:57
  Yeah, no. And.
• 1:28:58
  I agree. Well, Rebecca, like you're
• 1:28:59
  saying, like with the star rating, it is kind of hard
• 1:29:02
  because you can really enjoy something, but maybe like a
• 1:29:05
  couple things, I don't know, I, I guess it's like this whole
• 1:29:08
  bookstagram that we feel like we're all experts about what
• 1:29:12
  books should be like and it's just kind of, it's kind of, it
• 1:29:14
  can be toxic. Yeah, it's books are so
• 1:29:18
  subjective too. It's hard to, you know, it's,
• 1:29:22
  it's hard. It's hard to sort of, I don't
• 1:29:27
  know, like I said, good for me, good reads.
• 1:29:28
  I try to it's a place for readers and it and it's hard
• 1:29:32
  because like sometimes my my favorite book might, you know,
• 1:29:36
  some people might totally hate my favorite book and and and
• 1:29:40
  vice versa. So it's hard to kind of, you
• 1:29:43
  know, I, I don't even know what I'm trying to say.
• 1:29:45
  No, I, I. Know reviewing was a thing like
• 1:29:49
  it's yeah. It's it's hard to yeah, I, I
• 1:29:52
  mean like, and I'm, I'm fine. I'm fine with people giving
• 1:29:56
  negative reviews too. Like I do like, I'm just happy
• 1:29:58
  someone would read my book like you read my book.
• 1:30:00
  Thank you. Like if it wasn't, it's not
• 1:30:02
  going to be for everybody. And I, and I and I appreciate
• 1:30:05
  that. And you know, you just hope that
• 1:30:09
  you can, you know, you can learn from negative reviews, but it's
• 1:30:12
  just, it's, it's hard because it's, you know, it's a you.
• 1:30:14
  Want to make? Yeah.
• 1:30:15
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:30:16
  And I forget out what I'm trying to say.
• 1:30:18
  Yeah. But I know what I'm saying, Ben,
• 1:30:20
  like I'm going to leave a five star review on this.
• 1:30:22
  I loved this book and I'll I'll be looking through other reviews
• 1:30:24
  and they're like, this is Riley and this character is
• 1:30:26
  insufferable and this and that. I'm like, yeah, oh, I guess.
• 1:30:29
  You're looking at a lot, Yeah. It's not like a bad review.
• 1:30:33
  Yeah, but they're unpacking all the stuff that was the book.
• 1:30:37
  I'm like, why? Why do you feel necessary to to
• 1:30:43
  see if I don't know? See if I do a review and that I
• 1:30:47
  give it's it. I don't go piece by piece of the
• 1:30:50
  thing. I give how it made me feel, you
• 1:30:53
  know, that kind of vibe with it. I don't do any spoiler or
• 1:30:57
  anything with my reviews now. I still do stars, but everything
• 1:31:01
  I always read, everything's a five star to me.
• 1:31:03
  If it may be happy or it gave me a feeling or if a book has made
• 1:31:08
  me cry or different things like that, they're all five star.
• 1:31:11
  If it's me that I've only at one time.
• 1:31:14
  I've had one book that I didn't care for and IDNFD it, but I
• 1:31:18
  didn't go go on the and and do a review on it.
• 1:31:20
  I didn't say one star, you know, I didn't do that.
• 1:31:24
  I don't understand why people feel the need to do that.
• 1:31:28
  I don't understand. And like you said, books are
• 1:31:31
  subjective. You don't.
• 1:31:32
  Just because I love something, I don't expect Chelsea to love it
• 1:31:37
  or Heather to love it. You know, I always tell him,
• 1:31:39
  Hey, you should try this out, you know, but I'm not going to
• 1:31:42
  be like all angry at them. Well, you didn't like that book
• 1:31:45
  that I loved. I wouldn't be mad, but people
• 1:31:47
  are very odd people on the Internet, I should say, are all
• 1:31:51
  they just. Get confident when it's.
• 1:31:53
  A. When you're behind a keyboard
• 1:31:55
  instead. Of yeah.
• 1:31:56
  Talking. To someone else.
• 1:31:58
  This, this is. That's so true, yeah.
• 1:32:00
  The Warrior keyboarders. Yes.
• 1:32:03
  I, I totally agree with you with like, I know everybody like kind
• 1:32:07
  of rates their books differently, but I, for me, if I
• 1:32:11
  feel something from a book, if a book keeps me up way past my
• 1:32:15
  bedtime, if I'm like brushing my teeth reading a book because I
• 1:32:19
  literally can't put it down, that book's a five star book to
• 1:32:22
  me. Like even if there's like, like
• 1:32:24
  even if you could like knit pick it, it doesn't matter to me if
• 1:32:29
  it if it did that to me, if it evoked that kind of experience
• 1:32:32
  on me. Yeah, that's a five star.
• 1:32:34
  Yeah. But I know other people like
• 1:32:35
  literally have like a checklist. Well, that could do that to
• 1:32:38
  them. I stayed up to 3:00 AM reading
• 1:32:40
  this and I couldn't put it down. But it didn't hit this like
• 1:32:44
  check box of mine. Right.
• 1:32:45
  So it's not a 5. Star Some people get meticulous.
• 1:32:48
  Yeah, yeah, it's. Like Brady?
• 1:32:50
  Goes strictly off of feeling for me.
• 1:32:53
  Like it is like feeling like. It's something that I noticed
• 1:32:56
  throughout the book that I'm reading and I'm kind of like
• 1:32:58
  like this again, or like they they jump around a lot or
• 1:33:04
  doesn't flow or something like that, like that where it brings
• 1:33:07
  my vibe, A distraction, then I'm like, okay for.
• 1:33:11
  If they repeat. Like a horrible book.
• 1:33:14
  I know you've said like if they repeat a lot, like they're going
• 1:33:18
  over the same thing. Over and over and over.
• 1:33:20
  Again, like, why are you know, that kind of thing?
• 1:33:23
  Now, if a book makes me cry, one of the the books that have made
• 1:33:26
  me cry was I don't know if you read the Bewitched series by
• 1:33:29
  Laura Thalassa, it's bewitched be be spelled.
• 1:33:32
  And then there's the prequel, which is The Curse that binds.
• 1:33:36
  Heather and I have differing thoughts of when you should read
• 1:33:38
  the Curse that binds. I always say read it after she
• 1:33:40
  said to read it first, but I like it after.
• 1:33:42
  But you know what's gonna happen in The Curse that Binds?
• 1:33:46
  If you read Bewitched and be spelled there's, you know how
• 1:33:50
  it's gonna play out. You know what it's building to.
• 1:33:53
  Yeah. And that book made me cry.
• 1:33:54
  And it just, you know, it was such a feeling at the end of the
• 1:33:59
  Plated Prisoner series when there was things in book 6
• 1:34:02
  moments that happened and there were things major events that
• 1:34:05
  happened. It made me cry.
• 1:34:07
  Those are there's something about a book when it can do that
• 1:34:10
  for you. You know, she even like if
• 1:34:12
  you're watching ATV show, like I was just watching Bridgerton
• 1:34:15
  because I hadn't watched it before and I ditched it all and
• 1:34:18
  I watched Queen, what was her name, Queen Charlotte.
• 1:34:23
  I watched her thing and that last, the last episode of her
• 1:34:27
  miniseries, it made me cry. You know it was.
• 1:34:30
  So good. That when a book can pull that
• 1:34:33
  kind of emotion out of you, that is an absolute five star.
• 1:34:37
  I've learned. I'm a mood reader too.
• 1:34:39
  I've learned from what I do. But.
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  And of course, but, you know, they have to be spicy.
• 1:34:44
  But but yeah. But if I can, if a book can
• 1:34:47
  invoke that emotion, that is five star.
• 1:34:50
  Rosemond I would say probably 3, but again, that's like
• 1:34:52
  subjective too to, you know, a spice level subjective.
• 1:34:56
  I would give it a three. I've had people, most people
• 1:34:59
  gave it around that like a 2 1/2 or a three.
• 1:35:03
  I would do three. I might even bump it to like a
• 1:35:05
  this next one could be like a 3 1/2 for sure.
• 1:35:08
  But I write under my real name. So that's something too that I
• 1:35:11
  have to like when I give it to beta readers, be like I write
• 1:35:14
  under my real name. So if it's too spicy, you know,
• 1:35:18
  let me know. There's never.
• 1:35:19
  Too much spice, I have to tell you.
• 1:35:21
  I agree. Well, you're right under your
• 1:35:23
  real name kind of because I don't use a pending so, but I
• 1:35:28
  agree. I kind of agree with that for
• 1:35:30
  sure. I'd say it frozen's probably
• 1:35:33
  about a three, three Peppers out of five.
• 1:35:35
  This next one, it crash, crashes little.
• 1:35:38
  It has one spicy scene, but it's a novella, but it is a very
• 1:35:43
  spicy scene that's in there. I I guess for the ratio of
• 1:35:48
  amount of pages to spice, that's probably about 3-2 in my, in my
• 1:35:51
  opinion. So yeah, I, I think they're
• 1:35:54
  pretty spicy. I don't know if Chelsea would
• 1:35:56
  you think Rose is. Spicy, I would, I liked how you
• 1:35:58
  said, like I, I, I would probably say like a 2 1/2 to 3,
• 1:36:02
  like somewhere in that range. It is hard.
• 1:36:03
  I'm not very good at spice ratings either, so I'm not
• 1:36:07
  either. That's one of those things where
• 1:36:08
  I kind of like leave those off when I do ratings.
• 1:36:10
  I'm like, yes, there is some like because I don't know how to
• 1:36:12
  rate them, but it's just it's so well done because it's so well
• 1:36:18
  I. Guess for like.
• 1:36:19
  Carter is just pure amazing man it is so good.
• 1:36:25
  I'm biased but he I agree. He's my baby.
• 1:36:30
  I agree. I know like the spice is perfect
• 1:36:34
  man moments. Well, I know like with spice and
• 1:36:38
  stuff like Heather and I think a little differently, like what I
• 1:36:41
  consider it maybe a little bit more spicy.
• 1:36:43
  She consider a little less spicy like the the series.
• 1:36:48
  Now I just read I read the stock by is it seduction and shadows.
• 1:36:53
  I always get the last two words mixed up.
• 1:36:55
  So it could be either or it's by Maggie Censeri.
• 1:36:57
  Now that is that I gave for four Peppers because it's a lot of
• 1:37:01
  it's kind of like dominance and submissive kind of things with
• 1:37:05
  them. OK, vampires and stuff like
• 1:37:07
  that. But I, I, I do like my
• 1:37:09
  spiciness, but not like I've seen people like if, if you guys
• 1:37:12
  have read Anathema by Carrie Lake, now I've seen some people
• 1:37:16
  will be like that's like like 1 1/2 or two.
• 1:37:19
  But when you actually read it and you read the scene and
• 1:37:21
  stuff, it is very spicy. So I guess I classify mine by
• 1:37:27
  how the spicy scene makes me feel or how I see it in my mind.
• 1:37:32
  Not, you know, that it's AI, just I just don't do fade to
• 1:37:35
  black. That's just not my if.
• 1:37:37
  If it's that I don't, that's not in my wheelhouse.
• 1:37:40
  I have to have my spiciness, you know what I mean?
• 1:37:44
  So Heidi, no wrong answer to this because you're an author
• 1:37:48
  and you're busy and you have a lot going on with the
• 1:37:50
  audiobooks. But are you, do you have any
• 1:37:52
  current reads right now? Are you like 2 in the thick of
• 1:37:55
  your writing to have time? Right now, yeah, right now I am.
• 1:38:01
  That's like all like, well, I was doing my Game of Thrones
• 1:38:04
  rewatching too, so that was taking into my reading time.
• 1:38:08
  But whenever I'm like deep in editing or there's different
• 1:38:13
  phases when I'm like working on a book where I've, I can't read
• 1:38:16
  anything else. But it's odd because then
• 1:38:18
  there's other times where reading actually helps me write.
• 1:38:20
  So it just kind of depends on where I'm at in the creative
• 1:38:23
  process. But I don't think I've read the
• 1:38:27
  a book. This is probably pretty funny.
• 1:38:29
  It's probably been about 3 months since I've read a book.
• 1:38:31
  And I think the last because I was thinking about this today
• 1:38:34
  because I'm like, I wonder if they gonna ask you what my last
• 1:38:36
  reads were because I had to think, stop and think what they
• 1:38:38
  were. And it's been like 3 months.
• 1:38:40
  I read older by Jennifer Hartman.
• 1:38:42
  I loved it. I read Verity by Colleen Hoover.
• 1:38:47
  I actually really liked it. I know it got like mixed, it got
• 1:38:50
  mixed reviews. I loved it.
• 1:38:51
  It's so and then I read, I'm reading the from blood and ash,
• 1:38:56
  flesh and fire series of like in tandem.
• 1:38:58
  And so I, I kind of went off course because as soon as I met
• 1:39:02
  Nick though, so I'm like, I'm not stopping.
• 1:39:03
  So I, I was going back and forth between the two.
• 1:39:07
  The last book I read was, I think it's the second to last
• 1:39:11
  Flesh and Fire book. I was supposed I was supposed to
• 1:39:14
  do the book that was Castile's point of view.
• 1:39:17
  But I, that's what I'm going to read next.
• 1:39:19
  I was supposed to do that, but I stayed with Flesh and Fire.
• 1:39:21
  So I believe I, I'm going to jump back and I'm getting close
• 1:39:24
  to sort of being finished. I guess I'm like 3/4 of the way
• 1:39:27
  finished, maybe a little more. I may be jumping into Castile's
• 1:39:30
  point of view and then I have one more Flesh and Fire to go.
• 1:39:33
  I loved, I love Castile, but as soon as I met Nikdos I was like,
• 1:39:37
  I was like, I couldn't go back. I just, I think I just started.
• 1:39:44
  So I'm, I'm not, she has so many books.
• 1:39:47
  I don't know which one is which, but I've read Blood and Ash.
• 1:39:50
  So like Poppy and Castile, I just finished like the War of 2
• 1:39:53
  Queens, which is book four. And then I just started, which I
• 1:39:57
  think is Castile's point of view because he's been the narrator
• 1:40:00
  so far that I've been listening to.
• 1:40:01
  So OK, that must be book 5, but I don't know if that's like, I
• 1:40:05
  don't know how her series works. I'm so confused because.
• 1:40:08
  Well, there's a. Prequel series which is flesh
• 1:40:10
  and fire so. You could.
• 1:40:12
  Start that and you could go tandem if you wanted to because
• 1:40:15
  they kind of follow. That's what I a little bit, I
• 1:40:18
  mean, I think, I think you could honestly do it either way.
• 1:40:21
  Like I think you could read both separately.
• 1:40:23
  But I started reading them tandem because my editor told
• 1:40:26
  me, my editor told me to do it that way.
• 1:40:28
  So I'm like, alright, I'll read it that way.
• 1:40:29
  Yeah, but yeah, I, I, I really, I'm enjoying them like they, I
• 1:40:35
  love the first one. The first from Blood and Ash was
• 1:40:38
  just spectacular. Absolutely.
• 1:40:39
  I can't actually, I'll probably go back and reread that book.
• 1:40:41
  I want to read the OR listen to the graphic audio of that
• 1:40:44
  because I heard that was really good the graphic.
• 1:40:46
  Audio has been good. I will say, like there have been
• 1:40:49
  times because I feel like sometimes it gets repetitive a
• 1:40:52
  bit. And I was I was telling the
• 1:40:54
  girls I was like, at some point I'm like, I do not want to hear
• 1:40:57
  more worried about what like copy is smelling or tasting.
• 1:41:00
  Like sometimes I'm just like, get, I'm like anticipating all
• 1:41:05
  the big stuff that's happening and I'm like, stop slowing it.
• 1:41:07
  Down. But it is like, now that I've
• 1:41:09
  gotten to the end, I'm like, oh, it is really good.
• 1:41:11
  Like the way she sets it all up. She really, yeah, she really
• 1:41:14
  does set up really well. But yeah, so those are the last
• 1:41:18
  three books I read and I've been really excited to read Onyx
• 1:41:21
  Storm, which I haven't. That's the third book, right?
• 1:41:24
  Because it's what what is it? 4th Wing Iron Flame, Onyx Storm.
• 1:41:28
  Okay, I love the first two. I've had Onyx Storm ready to go.
• 1:41:31
  I wanna read that. I wanna read.
• 1:41:34
  What is it? Oh my gosh, I'm drawing a blank.
• 1:41:36
  The Butcher and the black girl. That's what it's called, right?
• 1:41:38
  I want to read that series. That's been high.
• 1:41:40
  OK, that's been high on my TVRI have the audio of Quicksilver
• 1:41:45
  because I haven't read that yet. That's a good audio.
• 1:41:47
  Book or listen to it, haven't read it, haven't listened to it.
• 1:41:50
  Those those ones I want to I want to check out.
• 1:41:53
  There's other ones on my TBR. I'm drawing a blank too.
• 1:41:56
  But I mean, did anybody read older or you say you liked
• 1:41:59
  Verity, Chelsea and yeah, older. Verity, I'm excited for Verity
• 1:42:03
  the movie to come out. I think been very well.
• 1:42:06
  I'm I'm excited about that, yeah.
• 1:42:08
  And without spoiling the ending, like I was telling people they
• 1:42:11
  need to read it because it's one of those ones almost like
• 1:42:13
  Inception where like you still don't know.
• 1:42:17
  Yeah. So the ending and so yeah, so
• 1:42:20
  it's yeah, it's really good. Yeah, so.
• 1:42:23
  The contemporary romance. Yeah, technically it's like it's
• 1:42:26
  one of her So Colleen Hoover's it's one of her darker ones, I
• 1:42:29
  would say. Cuz yeah, I.
• 1:42:31
  Don't think I've ever read anything by her.
• 1:42:33
  I'm pretty sure. It starts with us, it ends with
• 1:42:36
  us. I read those too.
• 1:42:37
  Yeah, that's the only ones I've read by her.
• 1:42:42
  Verity was very Yeah. And supposedly I think I read
• 1:42:46
  the version that has the extended epilogue or whatever at
• 1:42:51
  the end, so people. And then because I guess that
• 1:42:55
  came out later, like maybe like a year after or something.
• 1:42:59
  So people's opinions changed after.
• 1:43:03
  I never read. I never read the first version
• 1:43:05
  where they didn't have that extension.
• 1:43:07
  I only started with the newest version which had.
• 1:43:09
  It so you're telling me I need to go read that because I had no
• 1:43:12
  idea. You got to read the end.
• 1:43:14
  Yeah, I, I can. I would totally be team.
• 1:43:19
  Oh my God. What is it?
• 1:43:20
  Team Manuscript? And what's the other one?
• 1:43:22
  I'm talking, Yeah. What is it?
• 1:43:23
  You know, I'm talking about team manuscript and team what do they
• 1:43:26
  call it? It's like, well, anyway, I was,
• 1:43:28
  I, I see why people changed their minds on which team they
• 1:43:34
  are in because of that little extra spot at the end, a little
• 1:43:38
  extra information they put in there, but I still am a little
• 1:43:41
  unclear. But I I think I'm team, not the
• 1:43:48
  manuscript, whatever they call it.
• 1:43:49
  Okay, do you know what? I'm talking about.
• 1:43:51
  I have to find it. I have to see well, because I
• 1:43:54
  didn't know what. Is it called?
• 1:43:55
  I didn't know about that blog thing, so that changes
• 1:43:58
  everything. Team reality, baby team reality.
• 1:44:02
  But you know what I mean? Like the one is like the people
• 1:44:04
  that believed it was the manuscript and the other or the
• 1:44:06
  people that believed it was like the real life situation and they
• 1:44:10
  made in that a certain way. But it's very okay.
• 1:44:14
  Team manuscript versus team letter debate.
• 1:44:17
  Yes, okay. OK.
• 1:44:20
  So if you're if you're remembering the there's like the
• 1:44:24
  manuscript versus the reality. So you'll have to read that
• 1:44:29
  final. Blurb I see and I'm team
• 1:44:31
  manuscript but but now I need to read this this extra to know.
• 1:44:36
  Yes, you might change your opinion on that.
• 1:44:38
  I I'm I would, I would have been team manuscript too.
• 1:44:41
  And now I'm now. Now I don't know, now I don't.
• 1:44:45
  Know it's like Inception, like you.
• 1:44:47
  Really. There is no right answer.
• 1:44:48
  Nobody has ever heard now. Weird.
• 1:44:52
  Yeah, it's pretty awesome. How many books would you say are
• 1:44:56
  on your TBR list? Too many I don't even know.
• 1:45:00
  I can't even and it's like I'm so unorganized with that.
• 1:45:02
  I don't even have a list of them.
• 1:45:04
  I just, I know in my brain what I want to read and sometimes
• 1:45:07
  it'll pop up is some I'll see you in a review and I'll be
• 1:45:09
  like, that's the one I've wanted to read for years and I haven't.
• 1:45:13
  But yeah, The Butcher of the Blackbird, that whole series I
• 1:45:17
  want to read. I want to read Quicksilver
• 1:45:19
  because I haven't yet. I read, my God, I read Lights
• 1:45:23
  Out and I haven't read any of the other ones of that.
• 1:45:26
  I would like to do that Onyx Storm.
• 1:45:29
  I want to finish the Flesh and Fire from Blood and Ash series,
• 1:45:33
  Anything Penelope Douglas because I'm obsessed with
• 1:45:36
  Penelope Douglas that I haven't read yet.
• 1:45:38
  I will read. I have 336 books right now my
• 1:45:43
  TBR list because we've been, well, it wasn't no, but, but it
• 1:45:48
  was over 400. And then I did the purge here a
• 1:45:52
  few weeks ago when we did our quarter 2 mega episode.
• 1:45:57
  I I purged a whole bunch because I had a lot of things on there
• 1:46:00
  that I added when I first started Bookstream and, and now
• 1:46:03
  as I look back at it, I realize I'm probably not going to get to
• 1:46:07
  those, but still 300 and 3036 is, is, but now it now, if you
• 1:46:15
  haven't read anything by Melissa K Rohrich, have you ever thought
• 1:46:19
  of reading the Legacy series? That is a very good one.
• 1:46:22
  It's very dark and everybody's morally Gray.
• 1:46:25
  Oh. Yes, it's very good.
• 1:46:27
  I I have her Lady of Darkness series I got for Christmas and
• 1:46:31
  it's sitting I have so many. My husband got me 30 some books,
• 1:46:34
  I think for Christmas. Yeah.
• 1:46:35
  That's amazing. So I have a lot of books on my
• 1:46:38
  physical TBR right here beside me, but I have 336 on my TBR.
• 1:46:44
  There's that's a oof. There's a lot of, there's a
• 1:46:47
  there's a lot of indie indie author books too I want to check
• 1:46:50
  out. Most of mine are indie.
• 1:46:52
  Most of mine are indie. But yeah, there's like Jana's
• 1:46:56
  son for today's this month is Mermaid.
• 1:47:00
  And if you like those books, if you like mermaid books, the Seas
• 1:47:03
  Between Us by her is really good.
• 1:47:06
  And she's got a couple other books in in the series that I
• 1:47:10
  want to check out as well. And she's a she's she's a good
• 1:47:13
  friend of mine. She's amazing.
• 1:47:14
  She's a beautiful writer. But like, there's definitely
• 1:47:17
  some indie gems in the mermaid mermaid I'm being introduced to
• 1:47:21
  because we're all in this like collaboration, this group chat.
• 1:47:25
  So I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm like your book.
• 1:47:27
  I'm going to read your. Book I'm going to read there's.
• 1:47:30
  Another one, Amelia Amelia Ji. Want to read her books?
• 1:47:35
  She's an indie author, and she does like them.
• 1:47:39
  It's a wreath between the tides, beneath the tides.
• 1:47:42
  Yes. Yeah, I've seen a lot about
• 1:47:44
  that. So I love this new mermaid
• 1:47:47
  thing, and this is my first time seeing it really hit.
• 1:47:50
  I love seeing Rose Moon on there and LJ Andrews.
• 1:47:53
  It's it's been fun. We've had some neat ones because
• 1:47:57
  I haven't read. I just started into my worlds of
• 1:48:00
  pirates because I read Rhiannon Haggarten's bloody black.
• 1:48:06
  That is a very good and that was my first pirate book that I got
• 1:48:09
  into. And then now I have L JS
• 1:48:12
  Andrews, the ever seas. I have them Chelsea just read
• 1:48:16
  the ever king. I have mine minor sitting on my
• 1:48:18
  shelf, but I'm going to wait because the stolen crown comes
• 1:48:22
  out in October. So I'm going to kind of wait.
• 1:48:25
  So I keep things fresh in my mind.
• 1:48:27
  No. Let me ask you this, Heidi, You
• 1:48:28
  know, since there's like, you know, like time periods from
• 1:48:30
  when your first book comes out to your second book.
• 1:48:33
  Do you ever consider putting at the beginning, like of the
• 1:48:36
  second book, a little like refresher, like a paragraph or a
• 1:48:41
  page or two so that people can remember what your book, your
• 1:48:45
  first book was about? Have you ever considered doing
• 1:48:47
  that? I haven't, but now I am because
• 1:48:50
  that's a really good idea. I've never I.
• 1:48:52
  Love that. Yeah, it's becoming, so it's
• 1:48:55
  becoming a thing that book like books around, like people are
• 1:48:58
  asking for it. Yeah.
• 1:48:59
  So if you've never heard of that, it's it's a good trend to
• 1:49:02
  jump on. That's really.
• 1:49:04
  Awesome, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:49:05
  I actually will consider doing that.
• 1:49:07
  That's a great. Because going from a year or
• 1:49:10
  more, you know, between books or when they come out, we don't
• 1:49:14
  always remember. No, you can write it.
• 1:49:18
  You know how you have like the journal entries kind of from
• 1:49:21
  Carter, like you could almost do it in his hand, you know, like
• 1:49:24
  or in his voice. So.
• 1:49:27
  What a great idea. Yes, I could totally do that.
• 1:49:32
  That's like, yeah, because like when I get when I send Rosemoon
• 1:49:35
  out or not Rose in the second book out to beta readers, some
• 1:49:38
  people were like planning on doing a reread of it.
• 1:49:41
  But like if they're not, I I have this really.
• 1:49:44
  I queried Rosemoon for a hot minute back in the day.
• 1:49:48
  So I have like a three page, one page, 2 page, three page
• 1:49:51
  synopsis of it. Really dry, really boring
• 1:49:53
  because that's how literary agents.
• 1:49:55
  Want it? So I'm like, I'm like worrying
• 1:49:57
  people like it's boring. I'll send it to you.
• 1:49:59
  So it's like a three page synopsis of Rosemoon.
• 1:50:01
  But there's also certain pages of Rose Moon I want them to
• 1:50:04
  reference like like moving forward so it makes sense in the
• 1:50:08
  next book. So that's that's a great idea,
• 1:50:10
  Chelsea. I could take that information
• 1:50:12
  and turn it into Carter. Quid diary at you right up.
• 1:50:15
  Front. Yes, sweet.
• 1:50:17
  Hot damn, That's awesome. Thank you.
• 1:50:19
  You're. Welcome.
• 1:50:22
  I, you know, I love, I love those kind of things in the
• 1:50:24
  book. I love when like there's a lot
• 1:50:26
  of like terminology or different creatures and things.
• 1:50:30
  Heather and I have said it too, and also just we love a
• 1:50:32
  glossary. Like when you have that with a
• 1:50:34
  little even not necessarily that it gives things away, but it
• 1:50:37
  helps. We love family trees, we love
• 1:50:40
  glossaries, we love maps and we love a beginning synopsis.
• 1:50:45
  So we don't between books. Yeah.
• 1:50:47
  The nice thing about that, the awesome is you don't really need
• 1:50:49
  like the glossary part, which is nice because it's like modern
• 1:50:52
  world and then the ocean world that we're probably going to get
• 1:50:55
  more of in Book 2 probably maybe.
• 1:51:00
  So that's the cool part is that you don't really have to like
• 1:51:02
  spend so much time on that part. But yeah, like those heavy
• 1:51:06
  romanticies, those are differently nice to have.
• 1:51:08
  Oh yeah, I I actually, it's funny, I'm sort of creating my
• 1:51:12
  own. I had to, I'm I'm total panster
• 1:51:15
  when I write not a plotter at all, but I've I've been forced
• 1:51:18
  to be, I learned this new term called a plotster recently.
• 1:51:22
  I didn't even, I was like, that's a thing.
• 1:51:24
  I'm like, OK, so I've been forced to being a little bit
• 1:51:27
  more of a lobster because I am writing a series.
• 1:51:30
  So I can't keep I'm not smart enough to keep track of it
• 1:51:32
  without sort of plotting it out. But so I'm kind of writing this
• 1:51:37
  as I go like I was forced to do this time, this really in depth,
• 1:51:41
  like timeline to keep everything straight and I'm kind of doing a
• 1:51:45
  character encyclopedia. This is all for myself that I
• 1:51:49
  eventually, because I am I do develop things sometimes as I
• 1:51:53
  write, like not ahead of time. So eventually that I probably
• 1:51:57
  probably will put those things in there.
• 1:52:00
  Like I can't put it in Rose mood because it wouldn't make any
• 1:52:02
  sense. But for the books that it
• 1:52:03
  applies to, I probably will put that in.
• 1:52:06
  Even if it's not coming out right away, I'll probably put
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  that in eventually because yeah, some of this stuff I'm
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  developing like as I go to. So it's kind of like.
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  See, I like that. Behind the scenes.
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  Every everyone's so different with how they write like they
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  really are. I think it's a blessing and a
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  curse to be a panster of a writer because it is because
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  like I the the the blessing of it is everything's very like
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  organic. So I don't know sometimes where
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  things are going to go until they're hot off my fingertips.
• 1:52:42
  Like I have a general idea, but so like the emotion and
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  everything that's coming out of me, it's happening in that
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  moment. Like so you could, I think
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  they're very raw emotions, but then trying to keep like track
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  of the stories and and everything flowing together.
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  It's very difficult for me. I don't think I was meant to
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  write it like it, like a connected fantasy series of
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  that. I'm doing it none the less.
• 1:53:08
  Yes, Yes, you are. Yeah.
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  I say this is the last one I'm doing, and then I write crash
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  and write it in there. And then it's like, you know,
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  I'm like I'm only doing standalones or standalones in
• 1:53:18
  the universe from now on. But now I'll probably always
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  connect them somehow. I don't know, maybe not.
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  I love the interconnected, the little side quests and then the
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  meetups. It just kinda gives us cuz I
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  love seeing the characters that we love so much and other
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  stories cuz then you get to visit them again.
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  Yeah, so. That I had thought, yeah.
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  It's hard as a author cuz you get very attached to your
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  character. So I think that's why I don't, I
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  think that's why I connect them. And I wrote something in Crash
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  that I think I subconsciously did so I could write it into
• 1:53:54
  Rosemary and write into the Prophecy of Light series per se.
• 1:53:58
  And then, but I was totally done with the second book when I was
• 1:54:01
  going through the development model edit, I had to go in and I
• 1:54:03
  was so excited because I had to write in a scene where Spencer
• 1:54:07
  and Amanda from Crash meet, you know, the characters from The
• 1:54:12
  Prophecy of Light. It's a really fun scene too.
• 1:54:13
  So if you've read Crash, it'll be even more fun because you
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  kind of know their back story, but.
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  Well, see, I like that. I know.
• 1:54:22
  I love that. Yes, I'd like that.
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  Like you take like in Fantasma, Enchantra, they're all stand
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  now. Those are all standalones, but
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  yet they're all interconnected. You have, you know, you you get
• 1:54:33
  to see the characters from Fantasma.
• 1:54:36
  You see them a little bit in Enchantra or like, like I was
• 1:54:39
  saying with the Legacy series, there are characters from Lady
• 1:54:42
  of Darkness that appear in that that even though Melissa said
• 1:54:46
  you can read them any order you want to Heather and I have our
• 1:54:49
  well, Heather has her thoughts of what we how I should have
• 1:54:51
  read it and I did not read it the way Heather wanted to, but I
• 1:54:54
  didn't think no at the time. But still you get to revisit
• 1:54:57
  those characters and it's so nice to see them again.
• 1:55:01
  I guess you could say, and I like that girls.
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  This has been super fun today. I.
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  Know. Have you had fun today?
• 1:55:08
  Heidi, I've got a blast today. Thank you for having me.
• 1:55:13
  Now, would you like to come back one day here, come back and
• 1:55:17
  visit with us because you know. Fun.
• 1:55:19
  People, yeah, your, your clips, your audio book clips.
• 1:55:23
  And we'll have to, you know, play them a little bit.
• 1:55:26
  Yeah, over those. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:55:29
  That'd be amazing. I'd love to come back on
• 1:55:31
  anytime. And you have to always remember
• 1:55:33
  the one thing with us is we never pronounce anything
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  correct. So always remember that because
• 1:55:40
  we had the one thing we had was Victor and Vincent.
• 1:55:43
  That's from The Serpent in the Wings of Night.
• 1:55:45
  So if you have not read that book, his name is Vincent, but
• 1:55:49
  Heather and I call him Victor, or just so you know.
• 1:55:51
  Or is it? Or is it?
• 1:55:52
  Victor or is it? I'm going to have to read it so
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  that I can I can straighten this.
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  Up. Yeah, Chelsea needs to be our
• 1:55:59
  mediator. You have to.
• 1:56:01
  But that is another series that's it's amazing.
• 1:56:03
  You should check it out if you have not.
• 1:56:05
  But that's the series. That's the Crowns of Niacsis by
• 1:56:10
  Chris Abroad bent. The first one is the Serpent in
• 1:56:12
  the Wings of Night. Vampire.
• 1:56:14
  Because it's, it's, it's, yeah. It's. 33 duologies and there's
• 1:56:20
  two standalone or there's a novella and then there's a
• 1:56:26
  standalone that goes in the middle and the book, the first
• 1:56:30
  book of the third duology comes out in August.
• 1:56:35
  But it's it's very good. Oh, it's very.
• 1:56:37
  Good. It's a vampires I will write.
• 1:56:42
  I have the best. I'm going to write a vampire
• 1:56:44
  book one day and I have the best idea for one, and that's one day
• 1:56:48
  I'll write it. I do love a vampire.
• 1:56:50
  I love. You can, I do, I can.
• 1:56:52
  There's there like, can't be too many of them.
• 1:56:54
  Like I seriously love vampire books.
• 1:56:57
  You know I love. Vampires.
• 1:56:59
  I love Bram Stoker there and I love Dracula and my favorite,
• 1:57:03
  favorite line from that book is I've crossed oceans of time to
• 1:57:08
  find you every time. And I think that's the moment of
• 1:57:12
  when I fell in love with vampires that with those books
• 1:57:16
  and I just there's something about that line.
• 1:57:18
  If my husband said that to me, that would be it.
• 1:57:21
  If are all of our husbands could say the lines that these men say
• 1:57:24
  in our books, we'd all be putting or we'd have 750
• 1:57:28
  children. I would look at you.
• 1:57:30
  I'm like, who are you? I know.
• 1:57:33
  I do right? I do want to see the new Dracula
• 1:57:36
  movie. They they we did it is.
• 1:57:39
  That great you watched it Someone else that I am on a chat
• 1:57:43
  with she she's like it looks really good through the trailer,
• 1:57:46
  but it's very disappointing when you watch it so.
• 1:57:49
  I didn't even know they did a new Dracula.
• 1:57:52
  When did that come out? I think came out in February.
• 1:57:55
  Oh, OK, I didn't. Even like.
• 1:57:57
  The thing? And it's well, in the trailer
• 1:58:02
  and stuff, it's like, you know, you, you, you see him, Dracula,
• 1:58:06
  you know, of course we all know who he is.
• 1:58:08
  And his wife dies because this is the trailer.
• 1:58:11
  So this isn't like spoiler. So it's in the trailer.
• 1:58:13
  And she dies and he has to wait until she's born again.
• 1:58:17
  And then he has to find her. And he finds, and I think it's
• 1:58:20
  like in London or something like that, and he finds her again.
• 1:58:23
  And of course she doesn't know him and it's and then from what
• 1:58:28
  I gather from the trailer and stuff like that, then she
• 1:58:31
  remembers who he is and it looks, it looked really good.
• 1:58:35
  But that's how they disappoint. Yeah, the concept of that sounds
• 1:58:38
  awesome. Again, he crossed oceans of time
• 1:58:42
  to find her. That's what he had to do.
• 1:58:44
  See. Exactly.
• 1:58:46
  Premise is cute. Wait, what was that?
• 1:58:49
  Wasn't the original Dracula premise right?
• 1:58:52
  Like what was the? In Draco Bram Stokers.
• 1:58:58
  It's a long. Time don't.
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  Know I can't remember I don't. Well that's what he says with
• 1:59:04
  Johnny Depp. Wasn't Johnny Depp in wasn't he
• 1:59:07
  Dracula? Was that him in Bram store?
• 1:59:09
  Who was the guy that played Bram Stoker's?
• 1:59:11
  Gary Oldman? What?
• 1:59:13
  Didn't he been him? Didn't he do a Dracula?
• 1:59:15
  It might be the last one I know I'm Googling.
• 1:59:18
  Because there's the one. And he sees Winona Ryder because
• 1:59:20
  I know she was in it, remember? And he has the little the little
• 1:59:23
  glasses on. It has been such a long.
• 1:59:26
  Time. Since I have.
• 1:59:28
  See, I think the reason you and I like, we like vampires because
• 1:59:32
  we grew up in the era of Anne Rice, you know?
• 1:59:35
  We grew up boys, the Lost Boys. We grew up with Interview with
• 1:59:39
  the Vampire, you know. That was a great book.
• 1:59:44
  Great book and great movie. I was obsessed with the Lost
• 1:59:46
  Boys. They were amazing.
• 1:59:48
  Yeah. We grew up in.
• 1:59:49
  Oh yeah. The movie first Dracula you had.
• 1:59:52
  Gary Oldman. It looks like.
• 1:59:53
  Oh, is that who it was? Why did I think it was Johnny
• 1:59:55
  Depp? It's because he went with Ryan.
• 1:59:57
  Nota Ryder. Maybe that's what I was
• 1:59:59
  thinking. Johnny Johnny Depp would make a
• 2:00:01
  great vampire. Holy smokes.
• 2:00:03
  Imagine him as Dracula. Oh.
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  My Keanu, he is. He is on my wrist.
• 2:00:08
  Yeah. Keanu Rebecca, what's your
• 2:00:12
  Reddit information? The one of the first title under
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  discussions and forums is Dracula 2025.
• 2:00:19
  A pile of trash. That's the title someone has on
• 2:00:23
  Reddit it. Had such a good premise though.
• 2:00:25
  When you see the the the trailer, it just looks like one
• 2:00:29
  of those, you know, those feelings, you know he crossed
• 2:00:33
  all that time to get her back again.
• 2:00:35
  You know that reincarnation kind of thing.
• 2:00:38
  I. Don't know, maybe since you're a
• 2:00:39
  fan it might be good. It could go one way or the
• 2:00:42
  other, right? Like you're a fan of Dracula.
• 2:00:44
  Maybe it's like, oh, this is not like the original and I hate it.
• 2:00:48
  Or maybe this is my story. But I love vampire stories in
• 2:00:52
  general, you know, I do too. I've been on a vampire kickly
• 2:00:56
  because I was, like I told you, stocked by seduction and that
• 2:00:59
  that's a vampire. Now he now he did.
• 2:01:01
  Now he has a kind of a thing happened in there.
• 2:01:02
  He watched her from when she was five years old but not and he
• 2:01:06
  was like a 200 or 300 some year old vampire, but he wasn't
• 2:01:09
  watching her in like he wanted her as a child in.
• 2:01:13
  He discovers her then and watches her every so many years
• 2:01:16
  and then he sees her as an adult.
• 2:01:18
  But he knows there's some type of connection between them
• 2:01:22
  because his name's Rune and her name's Scarlett and he knows
• 2:01:25
  there's a connection but he wants her to live her life.
• 2:01:28
  So even though he sees her and that he walks away from her, but
• 2:01:31
  yet kind of still coming back together.
• 2:01:34
  Jacob Renesme from Twilight thing all over again.
• 2:01:37
  Yeah. But I told you, I told you guys
• 2:01:40
  and I, I still have to look up the thing.
• 2:01:42
  I have to look for it for you. Or maybe I did send it to you.
• 2:01:44
  But they have that thing. You can go.
• 2:01:46
  It's the people that did Mystery Theater 3000.
• 2:01:49
  They have their thing and you can buy it and you download it
• 2:01:53
  and you play it while you're watching Twilight.
• 2:01:56
  And they said it makes the movies a million times better
• 2:01:59
  because they have commentary through the entire movie.
• 2:02:03
  But you guys don't know what Mystery Theatre 3000 is.
• 2:02:06
  You don't remember? It's like a parody.
• 2:02:08
  No, they like, they do the whole parody thing.
• 2:02:10
  Yeah. They do, they have, they comment
• 2:02:12
  through the whole thing. Yeah, like.
• 2:02:14
  They talk, Heidi, do you remember about the movie The
• 2:02:16
  whole time? Yes, Heidi, do you remember it?
• 2:02:19
  Mystery Theatre 3. 1000 it's like these person.
• 2:02:21
  I like that. It's like sparking, sort of.
• 2:02:24
  It's sparking. I don't think I'm very familiar
• 2:02:26
  with it, but I think I know of it.
• 2:02:29
  Like they would watch movies, they would have the movie on the
• 2:02:31
  screen and I think you could see like their silhouettes or maybe
• 2:02:35
  it was just you could hear them. Do you remember now what I'm
• 2:02:37
  talking about? Yes, I do.
• 2:02:39
  I do. I not like, I don't think I've
• 2:02:41
  seen very much of it, but I know what you're talking about.
• 2:02:44
  Well, they they have. That thing is.
• 2:02:47
  So now they have a website because they don't do that show
• 2:02:49
  anymore on TV and they have a website and you can download all
• 2:02:53
  different ones from different movies and you can play it
• 2:02:57
  alongside while you're watching the movie.
• 2:02:59
  And they said it makes it better.
• 2:03:01
  That's why I like the whole entire series because I mean,
• 2:03:04
  I've only watched the movies. These girls have told me the
• 2:03:07
  books are much better. I have only watched the movies,
• 2:03:10
  but I thought the movies were fine.
• 2:03:12
  I don't know, but I've watched many moons ago.
• 2:03:15
  I think it I watched them while I was pregnant with my oldest.
• 2:03:18
  So that's been a long time. So my judgment might not be the
• 2:03:22
  best there, but I I want to try the I want to do the little
• 2:03:25
  thing where they they have the murder or mystery theater
• 2:03:28
  people. Again.
• 2:03:30
  They said it's really good but I'll have to look and I'll send
• 2:03:32
  you the link when I find it. I'll send it to you.
• 2:03:34
  Please do. But now, Heidi, well before we
• 2:03:39
  go, will you tell everybody where they can find you, find
• 2:03:43
  your books, find you on Instagram, all that good stuff?
• 2:03:46
  Yeah, right now my books are only on Amazon.
• 2:03:50
  Hopefully that will expand in the future, but right now you
• 2:03:53
  can get them on Amazon. I'm most active on Instagram.
• 2:03:58
  My handle is what is my handle? Heidi Adams, author.
• 2:04:01
  That's my Heidi. Under score Adams.
• 2:04:05
  I think you have you have underscores, I think in there,
• 2:04:08
  isn't it, Heidi? Under score, Adams, author or
• 2:04:11
  under score, Yes, we'll have it on our description.
• 2:04:13
  OK, that's where I'm the most active.
• 2:04:15
  I mean, I'm I have a tiny presence on TikTok.
• 2:04:18
  I don't understand that app at all.
• 2:04:20
  So I'm just kind of on there. But but most most active on on
• 2:04:24
  Instagram. For sure.
• 2:04:26
  And also now everybody, please go and follow us as well at 2
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• 2:04:42
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• 2:04:47
  Thank you. We were at 55.
• 2:04:49
  So hey, we are gaining traction. Very good.
• 2:04:53
  But everyone but thanks for hanging out with us with the
• 2:04:56
  coven today. We will see you next week for
• 2:04:59
  more Spicy Rex and TBR wreckage. Good night, book babes.
• 2:05:04
  Good night. Good night.